40 years of competitive cycling and coaching and I’ve never seen a better technical instruction. This video is much more than a review it is a preventive maintainence manual
Thanks for this review, I've been looking at options for carbon wheels but my local bike shop kept trying to steer me to a $2000 Wheelset while avoiding a proper discussion about what constitutes an 'adequate' carbon Wheelset. Worse still they were dismissive about any Chinese manufactured goods and ignored the multiple positive reviews that are coming out (such as yours). If a 12000km review is not enough for someone, then they might as well spend $10k on wheels that aren't that much better. Meanwhile, thanks to your review I've ordered some yoeleos wheels of my own, and Im going to service my bike at a different shop until I can do it myself.
This Myth is still around till this day too! Newsflash people, these "cheap Chinese wheels" are made more than likely in an identical factory in the same area as your 5k wheels from a bike store...! Using the same materials, machines and techniques! Purely just sold wholesale without the Overpriced branding, Dealer fee's and huge markups!
Only 12k? I've got over 70k MILES on mine. And both wheels are still going strong - granted, it's nothing but flat land here where I live so I don't do much braking.
70k miles? Really, because that’s 20 miles a day, 365 days per year for 10 years, without missing a single day, so I’m calling BS. I haven’t put 70k miles on my truck through road trips, work commuting, in 6 years.
@Bikechanic I worked part time so I had nothing but time for a while. I would ride almost 25 miles every day and 50 to 60 miles on weekend days. With a day off every other week. Believe me or not, that's how I rolled.
I really enjoyed this video of 12,000km wheelset review. I feel confident now that Chinese carbon rims and Novatec hubs will last a long time and are worth the money.
Cassette 4,5,6,7 are individuals each applies a direct force onto hub responsible for maximum stress, where as cassette 1,2,3 are grouped cassette so 1 unit is chain force applied on any one of those are divided by 3 before coupled to the hub responsible for a least amount of stress.
I ride a 1979 Schwinn Le Tour and just bought a Chinese wheel set to match the old ones which were bent from crashes over the 40 years since it was made. Simple aluminum, they cost me $80 US and I'm running Serfas SECA road tires. I'm a retired ASE Master Technician and do all my own work on it. Looking forward to your reveal of your new chain wax formula as I'm a bit of a fan of your channel. But frankly, I put 20 miles a day on it for the simple joy of it and can't see myself ever spending $800 US for a wheel set. I just bit the bullet and bought a Shimano Tourney rear derailleur for it because I couldn't repair the original, but hey, the bike probably has over 100,000 miles on it so... It cost me $20 at the local bike shop. It's black and I hate it, but it shifts like a new bike so...
I have stickers on my wheels, as ITU triathlon races require UCI approved wheels, which mine are not. But with the stickers, they pass the test. Although on checker did remark that they had more spokes than they were supposed.... Had to tape over the brand on the hub as well. Also bought the proper QRs.
I purchased carbon wheels with the aluminum braking surface area, they came complete with Bontrager stickers. The labels were excellent quality, I placed them next to the legit wheels and you couldn't tell the difference. I buy a lot of I my stuff thru DH Gate, never had an issue with wheels, sun glasses, water bottle cages etc.
This guy is so passionate and jolly when it comes to cycling and helping educate people in the community to be able to do things themselves. I think Oz should be considered a national treasure in all honesty!!! Keep up the good work greetings from Trinidad and Tobago.
Really enjoyed your video style and your relaxed demeanor too. Just searched youtube for handlebar tape related videos and a video of yours popped up at the bottom on the first page. Watching all the way from the other side of the planet, London. Thanks for the video content, I will subscribe to ya channel and watch ads too. Cheers.
i've had the same wheels in a 38mm width clincher and over 1,000 miles on them this year - perfect. i will never buy a set of $2k rims, it just doesn't make sense. mine have no decals, as i don't want to look like a poser.
Over 20,000 klms on my Carbonzone 38s. Racing and training on rough country roads. Fantastic wheels, super aero and super comfortable over the roughest roads. Would never go back to alloy anything. Put ceramic bearings in the front cause I put the hose on them a bit too much. Sick, cause now that wheel is even better. Not seen anything that I would prefer over a good Chinese wheel. i treat em rough and they stay keen :-) They are not good, They are fantastic.
I think that Yeoleo and Carbonzone could be from the same factory. Anyway from what I have seen of those Yeoleo wheels, they are very nice, if not better.... 30,000 here we come, cause these carbon wheels dont hang on the garage wall. Cheers. Enjoy your ride.
The wear out of layers are happening on the high priced brands too. Especially at 12,000km its nothing. I imagine what must be the km count figure today in 2020. I think you should proudly use a YOELEO stickers now. You can combine it with OZ Cycles. These wheels cost less than half price on Alibaba if you buy in a lot. Even less if you manage to convince the seller.
Having great performance from my Chinese carbon rims as well about to drop the hammer on an aero frame from Seraph. Handlebars/stems am on the fence about.
My Yoeleo 50 mm clincher wheels just reached 10,000 km. Rims and braking surface are still pristine ( it is pretty flat here, though, if you live around hills your results may differ). Both wheels are very slightly out of true now. Still trying to decide if it is bad enough to get the work done and for now I think not. If I had Steve's wrench talent I would do it myself. But alas... The Novatec hub in the rear needs some service. I actually bought some replacement bearings just in case from an online shop in Taiwan. Pretty low price for that. Other than that the wheels are still fine and have a lot of life left in them.
Oz cycle, thanks for the in-depth review! I've subscribed to your channel, it looks like you got very interesting stuff. Just a quick question. I'm looking to buy these wheels but thinking to upgrade the DT-swiss 350 hub. Should I? Is Novatech Hub any good for triathlon and TT races? Thanks.
If the wheel's other attributes are still ok but not the brake track (for example on isolated locations on the wheels), then what would be the suggested "repaired actions" for the brake track to make sure the wheels could continue to give useful riding life?
This guy knows whats up with bikes, you got urself a subscriber mr. We need people like you, i can see you are really profesional just basing on your movements haha
And there's the major difference between cheap wheels and good wheels - the braking/brake track. My Enve's have 5,000 miles on them (or 8,000 km), and the brake tracks still look brand new with no wear. The braking is better than pretty much any aluminum wheel I've ever used, with perhaps the exception of the Mavic Ksyrium Pro Exalith SL's that I'm currently using - they seem to be about the same, although I haven't done any major descents yet with the Mavics. The Enve's have survived some massively long/steep descents here in California (and there are plenty of them), and I've been to events where I saw a line of people with cooked carbon wheels from braking, waiting to get a replacement wheel. But I guess if people live/ride in pretty flat areas, then by all means, go with the cheaper wheels that don't need to rely much on extended amounts of heavy braking.
A lot of guys here in Melbourne run all brands, Enve's and Chinese included. We see the same amount of failure in all brands for all sorts of reasons including heat delamination. I don't see a problem with Farsport or Yoleo and in fact, have a set of Yoleo's for racing use instead of my Corimas. The difference in performance between my Corima's and Yoleo is negligible, although the same can't be said about the $3000 price difference. I'd hate to go home after a criterium to the wife with a broken set of Corimas. I've also used the Yoleo's for racing in alpine events where we have decents of 3000+ feet with no delamination issues. You might also be interested in this == ua-cam.com/video/A8fsKeQwplg/v-deo.html
I think the using the pitch to see if your spokes are equally tight is flawed unless you hit the spokes the same distance from the center or the outside every time.
Nice, i was looking for a confirmed quality cheap carbon wheelset, 12k is a decent quality control! Obviously way more than i will put in in the next years. I will be buying a set of yoeleo wheels! But what set to choose? I'm trying to lighten my alu bike by as much as i can, but i also want to go fast! I got a lot of hills where i live. I also need clincher or tubeless because of ease of repairs. This will be hard to choose.
Hey, Oz. Just taken delivery of my Yeoleo C88/60 combo. Not fitted tyres or tested yet, but couldn't help but notice the supplied brake pads seem to have a very hard compound (Gigapower GB-336 pads)? Would you recommend not using the supplied pads, and switch to lifeline blue pads as you previously recommended from the off? Cheers 👍
+Vaughan O'Neill Yes Vaughan, for the basalt braking track Yeoleo has,use the "lifeline" blue pads....softer pad causes less damage to the brake track.
These wheels are ok I think for what they are you cannot go wrong just don't expect them to be like Zipp quality or Mad Fibres which are totally different with resins an layup used. Perfect for racing I think damage them no bother cheap to replace,one set I have are coming up 7 years old still ok few braking heat spots as expected 🙂
FYI, approx 2 years ago I purchased similar Novatec hubs however mine were fitted with an integrated "Anti Bite Guard" which has significantly reduced the typical wear seen on a alloy hub (not as bulletproof as my titanium Dura Ace freehub body though!). Cheers from Melbourne. PS. Enjoying the channel!
Thanks for the update! I think your video confirms the dish is out on my rs11 rear wheel, it doesn't sit straight in the dropouts. I'll have to search your channel for a dish video.
+lee guankiat The most widely used resin for repair work is 'P-tex'. '2-part' epoxies are also use. Problem 1/ Transition temperature(melt temp) is too low. When your brake track heats up,it can melt the repair resin. 2/ Difficulty in obtaining consistency. Ideally once the resin has cured it must be levelled exactly to the rest of the brake track. Its not as simple as bog and sand. In manufacture,a brake track is made at high temperature under high pressures.
If I was paying lots of money for carbon wheels, I'd definitely go for disc brakes, just to remove the additional wearing action from the rim. In my view, the proper domain of rim brakes for the average consumer is in cheap commuting bikes with aluminium rims, or new-vintage steel touring bikes. But then again, I'm not a racer, so whatever racers do to win races is correct by default.
@@stevenleffanue Wow!!!! Very quick answer!!!! Thanks!!!!!! Im facing a dilemma.....go to yoeleo rim carbon....or go to a complete new disc yoeleo bike....never use carbon wheels...and i put around 1500 kms per month on my bike. In any case your channel it s been a tremendous source of information help and fun!!! Now im moving to home made wax thanks to you!!!!! Thanks a lot!!!!!!
In an older video your wheels had done around 12000 kms and one wheel had a crack and was not safe anymore. It was also Chinese carbon. Was that older set also yoeleo? I am thinking of getting a set called ican. Have you heard of them? I found them on eBay. I was convinced by your video to get some yoeleo wheels but then I saw the price was USD. I'm in Sydney and these days USD to aud is too pricey.
+Chris van Buggenum Those 50mm carbon wheels were secondhand when I bought them so not sure what brand they were. Yes,Yeoleo are not amongst the cheapest wheels on the market. I have heard of Ican but dont know of any longterm users yet. Sorry cant help you much Chris. Perhaps you could buy the Icans and let us know how they go after 5k-20km ?
oz cycle I might get a set after Christmas. I am normally dissapointed by my presents and end up spoiling myself with stuff I really want. I'll let you know if I do. I've only recently discovered you. It's nice to hear an Aussie after watching gcn, cycling weekly, bike radar and the vegan cyclist.
oz cycle if Yoeleo was in aud I would buy them. It was like $750 ish for 38mm wheels with pro hubs and sapim spokes. I'm looking for climbing wheels. If I'm going to get upgrading to carbon they need to be lighter than my fulcrum racing 3's.
+Chris van Buggenum Fulcrum racing 3s are great wheels for riders under 80kg. How about investing in some nice tyres like Vittoria corsa cx if you havnt already?
oz cycle yeah I'm around 65kg. I've just changed from using Specialized tyres to continental gp4000s. I don't know if they are light or fast but they have given me so much more confidence on my downhills. My usual route is the 3 gorges is Sydney's north. I've traditionally been bad at descending and had a crash at speed which left me unable to ride for a while. What benefits do the Vittoria tyres give?
+Tim Dent Carbon fiber flexes a little,otherwise it would break being used in parts on a bicycle. A full carbon rim is usually ever-so slightly harsher but it totally depends on how it is built....number of spokes, tension of spokes, type of spoke. Generally a carbon rim is superior in 'performance' than alloy Tim.
Oz, nice video I dont even ride that type of bike, but I like your videos so much I watch them anyway. The photo on the wall (black and white) looks interesting, it that a poster you bought somewhere or is it an enlargement of a personal photo. if you wouldnt mind zooming in on it in a future video, i would like to see it closer. Cheers.
Honestly, "cheap" China goods have come a long way in the last 2-3 years. They have absolutely stepped up their manufacturing game on everything I order (not only bike parts) 90% of stuff comes out of the exact same factories in Shenzhen. They just rebrand the stuff they make for other companies, or make a minor change and resell them. That's just China. It is what it is.
20 years ago in China, I bought Chinese-branded running shoes that came off the same assembly line as some European and American brands for about a third of the cost. Around that time, there was an attitude among the Chinese manufacturers that it didn't pay to be overly loyal to western brands which were that eager to lay off their own employees for minimal cost savings.
Just a friendly update I have received the wheels about 5 days ago I've had them installed by my bike mechanic via routine servicing he says everything looks great the wheels look very nice. Haven't ridden on them.but intend to give them a go over the weekend if it's not wet? Thanks again for your assistance
I 'm so glad I found your channel. I have been looking for information on how the bikes work and how to keep them up. You really know your stuff which leads to the next question. How long have you been riding?
@@stevenleffanue I knew it, a lifetime of knowledge. hehe I stopped riding when we had moved to the city when I was like 15 or so. Man have bikes changed. I'm getting back into it. Great show BTW.
Leave them on , it will help protect the brake track without affecting performance. If you dont like the look scuff it off lightly with steel wool or such.
Due to Covid 19, instead of being out raving on this Saturday night, I'm sitting at home engrossed by this. How the world has changed. Anyway, I ordered a pair of these from DHgate yesterday, I hope I have as much luck as you!
I have to ask it’s been a few years since his video how much longer were you able to use that front wheel before the breaking the surface was too questionable to ride on
+big hensh Not unless the hub feels less than ultra smooth. With these wheels I dont think its necessary yet. Saying that,Im actually in the middle of doing a vid on "complete sealed bearing maintenance for your hubs" at the moment...with an older set of carbon wheels
Why would anyone want a rims like these anyway? I had same kind of brakes on my bike 20 years ago and they were terrible. This is a serious question. Is it something to do with weight vs disk brakes?
I've have a set of wheel also...I hit a pothole DEAD on going about 28 miles an hour. I was thinking it was over for both my wheels and frame thank god i only came out to a tire puncture...!!!!
+MrFornicater Glad you like the vids MrFornicater. Most full carbon wheel sets have slightly less initial braking power when wet. ..after a couple of revolutions of the wheels with brakes on they start grabbing well. One simply needs to adapt to this. If braking power is a priority, go discs.
I live in Florida (USA)... where it rains pretty much everyday... I picked disc brakes because of this, which in turn makes for a heavier bike, due to the construction required to use disc brakes. If you live somewhere it does not rain very often, and or don't ever ride in the wet, then rim brakes are a better option, since the over all cost and weight are better with a rim brake designed bike.
Hi there long time viewer first time poster here... I have a question about your yoeleo rims... I have rim brakes and I am worried with the breaking surface failing.. I was wondering what you thought about the yoeleo carbon alloy rims? If you had to buy these rims again would you look in to the carbon alloy rims... From what I can see they are 23mm thick and the full carbon rims are 25 mm thick.... And the break surface is different
Hi Robert. The quality of treated brake tracks they have nowadays you no longer need alloy brake tracks. The important thing is to use a soft compound brake pad and regularly pick out any hard grit which may get imbedded into pads. This way your full carbon wheels should last just as long as alloy ones. 😁
+khairul annuar A Hamid Hi Khairul. We have a mixed terrain here but mostly hills and the road surfaces are quite rough. The hills are about 1-4km long and often steep. Wet in winter and very dry in summer. The wheels go fine. Being 60mm, you feel the cross wind but that happens with all deeper sections anyway.
Regreasing the pawls onky after 12000k? I clean up and regrease my stock wheel pawls once or twice a year(1-2 k). The seal quality is much worse and i ride in the rain once like once a month.
+Chi Eng Chow Yes,bad seals means regular clean/regreasing Chi. Ive seen expensive hubs go rough in less than 6 months because of a badly designed seal system. Good you have a check every now and then.
40 years of competitive cycling and coaching and I’ve never seen a better technical instruction. This video is much more than a review it is a preventive maintainence manual
You've got my subscription sir for being so easy to understand and so comprehensive. Thank you for your time to making this video.
+SubZero Thank you SubZero,glad you liked the vid. :)
@@stevenleffanue whats your brake pads
@@abdurrahmankeskin3539 baradine blue brake pads
WOW! comprehensive review including checking the true, dish, spoke tension, and bearings. Nicely done I will subscribe!
Thanks for this review, I've been looking at options for carbon wheels but my local bike shop kept trying to steer me to a $2000 Wheelset while avoiding a proper discussion about what constitutes an 'adequate' carbon Wheelset. Worse still they were dismissive about any Chinese manufactured goods and ignored the multiple positive reviews that are coming out (such as yours).
If a 12000km review is not enough for someone, then they might as well spend $10k on wheels that aren't that much better. Meanwhile, thanks to your review I've ordered some yoeleos wheels of my own, and Im going to service my bike at a different shop until I can do it myself.
The irony is that the $2000 wheels are almost certainly Chinese, just with a western name on them.
I bought a set of C38's nearly a year ago because your review was so good and they have not disappointed. Thanks for putting the information up.
Great vid, very comprehensive. Anyone who doubts the quality of "cheap'" chinese wheels needs to watch this!!
This Myth is still around till this day too! Newsflash people, these "cheap Chinese wheels" are made more than likely in an identical factory in the same area as your 5k wheels from a bike store...! Using the same materials, machines and techniques! Purely just sold wholesale without the Overpriced branding, Dealer fee's and huge markups!
Excellent video! Ex bike mechanic here and I learned a few things.
what a great review sir, thank your for your time and knowledge, i'm going to invest in those wheels now without hesitate
having gotten a set myself a month ago this is very reassuring, thank you.
the best videos for cheap carbon bikes and wheels. Thank You!!
Only 12k? I've got over 70k MILES on mine. And both wheels are still going strong - granted, it's nothing but flat land here where I live so I don't do much braking.
Hey @Einhander49 , that's impressive... do you ride them in all weather conditions also? Cheers
70k miles? Really, because that’s 20 miles a day, 365 days per year for 10 years, without missing a single day, so I’m calling BS. I haven’t put 70k miles on my truck through road trips, work commuting, in 6 years.
@Bikechanic I worked part time so I had nothing but time for a while. I would ride almost 25 miles every day and 50 to 60 miles on weekend days. With a day off every other week. Believe me or not, that's how I rolled.
100% agree Oz, do your research and get yourself a bargain !
I really enjoyed this video of 12,000km wheelset review. I feel confident now that Chinese carbon rims and Novatec hubs will last a long time and are worth the money.
Cassette 4,5,6,7 are individuals each applies a direct force onto hub responsible for maximum stress, where as cassette 1,2,3 are grouped cassette so 1 unit is chain force applied on any one of those are divided by 3 before coupled to the hub responsible for a least amount of stress.
I ride a 1979 Schwinn Le Tour and just bought a Chinese wheel set to match the old ones which were bent from crashes over the 40 years since it was made. Simple aluminum, they cost me $80 US and I'm running Serfas SECA road tires. I'm a retired ASE Master Technician and do all my own work on it.
Looking forward to your reveal of your new chain wax formula as I'm a bit of a fan of your channel. But frankly, I put 20 miles a day on it for the simple joy of it and can't see myself ever spending $800 US for a wheel set. I just bit the bullet and bought a Shimano Tourney rear derailleur for it because I couldn't repair the original, but hey, the bike probably has over 100,000 miles on it so... It cost me $20 at the local bike shop. It's black and I hate it, but it shifts like a new bike so...
Thanx. Proof riding bicycles doesn't have to be expensive exercise.
great review! I'm sold!!
Very impressed with the quality and value for money... great information thanks!
Great intro! that was fun to watch. Very hip. Such a joy, I also enjoyed your spoke pitching test.
I have stickers on my wheels, as ITU triathlon races require UCI approved wheels, which mine are not. But with the stickers, they pass the test. Although on checker did remark that they had more spokes than they were supposed....
Had to tape over the brand on the hub as well. Also bought the proper QRs.
+J B Most Yoeleo wheels are also UCI approved
always informative. Learn something new every time i watch. Thanks for putting it together!
I purchased carbon wheels with the aluminum braking surface area, they came complete with Bontrager stickers. The labels were excellent quality, I placed them next to the legit wheels and you couldn't tell the difference. I buy a lot of I my stuff thru DH Gate, never had an issue with wheels, sun glasses, water bottle cages etc.
This guy is so passionate and jolly when it comes to cycling and helping educate people in the community to be able to do things themselves. I think Oz should be considered a national treasure in all honesty!!! Keep up the good work greetings from Trinidad and Tobago.
Yeoleo should pay you for showing us we can trust them 100%
+Call me Ha. No thats ok. I only say what proves true...Yoeleo really are nice wheels. I havnt tried their frames yet tho??
Yoeleo is a UCI aproved brand
Really enjoyed your video style and your relaxed demeanor too. Just searched youtube for handlebar tape related videos and a video of yours popped up at the bottom on the first page. Watching all the way from the other side of the planet, London. Thanks for the video content, I will subscribe to ya channel and watch ads too. Cheers.
+Ryan Cooper Glad you liked the bar tape vid Ryan. Guess your heading to colder weather there soon.....brrrrr. Cheers...Steven
i've had the same wheels in a 38mm width clincher and over 1,000 miles on them this year - perfect. i will never buy a set of $2k rims, it just doesn't make sense. mine have no decals, as i don't want to look like a poser.
Have a pair of these, did 1250 km so far, no problem until now.
how about now?
@@saijapz16 now, 22000 km maybe more, no problems, never changed bearings, still zero maintence on them. Always used swiss stop brake pads
@@edgarpereira4865 thank you for reply sir.,
Never knew Henry Rollins had a cycling youtube channel haha.
I’m subscribe to his channel as well as yours, DR. You both speak truth about cycling and products. Oz goes more in depth with his equipment.
Over 20,000 klms on my Carbonzone 38s. Racing and training on rough country roads. Fantastic wheels, super aero and super comfortable over the roughest roads. Would never go back to alloy anything. Put ceramic bearings in the front cause I put the hose on them a bit too much. Sick, cause now that wheel is even better. Not seen anything that I would prefer over a good Chinese wheel. i treat em rough and they stay keen :-) They are not good, They are fantastic.
+ozesalsa Wow...20,000km! Should get myself a set of them :)
I think that Yeoleo and Carbonzone could be from the same factory. Anyway from what I have seen of those Yeoleo wheels, they are very nice, if not better.... 30,000 here we come, cause these carbon wheels dont hang on the garage wall. Cheers. Enjoy your ride.
Try Farsports Ceramic brake pads if you can. Not rubbery but instead dust away. I much prefer them.
+Incaensio Thanx Incaensio,I will investigate them.
learned a lot from this vid. thx for uploading it!
The brake track of my Corima are still like new after 5 years on both of the two set of wheels 32mm and 74mm.
They are a $1000 set, not exactly "cheap" Chinese carbon.
Bob Houghton check out velo trace. He had a set for 399€ I believe.. they are great from what I’ve seen from the video
Thanks for all your comprehensive reviews! How long did these wheels last in the end?
I did 12,500km finally and they are still good and on the Orbea bronze
@@stevenleffanue thanks for the reply! Looking at some Yoeleo's and Winspace Lun's and can't decide
Thank you for a great and easy to understand review
The wear out of layers are happening on the high priced brands too. Especially at 12,000km its nothing. I imagine what must be the km count figure today in 2020. I think you should proudly use a YOELEO stickers now. You can combine it with OZ Cycles.
These wheels cost less than half price on Alibaba if you buy in a lot. Even less if you manage to convince the seller.
Having great performance from my Chinese carbon rims as well about to drop the hammer on an aero frame from Seraph. Handlebars/stems am on the fence about.
Im stuck between a choice of chinese carbon wheels 40-50mm depth around 1500g or a zonda wheelset, What do you think?
very good detailed review..shows you dont have to spend $$$$$$$ on everything..
On average how many km do you expect to get from a set of carbon wheels assuming they are good quality in the first place.
My Yoeleo 50 mm clincher wheels just reached 10,000 km. Rims and braking surface are still pristine ( it is pretty flat here, though, if you live around hills your results may differ). Both wheels are very slightly out of true now. Still trying to decide if it is bad enough to get the work done and for now I think not. If I had Steve's wrench talent I would do it myself. But alas... The Novatec hub in the rear needs some service. I actually bought some replacement bearings just in case from an online shop in Taiwan. Pretty low price for that. Other than that the wheels are still fine and have a lot of life left in them.
nicely sorted workshop!
Oz cycle, thanks for the in-depth review! I've subscribed to your channel, it looks like you got very interesting stuff. Just a quick question. I'm looking to buy these wheels but thinking to upgrade the DT-swiss 350 hub. Should I? Is Novatech Hub any good for triathlon and TT races? Thanks.
+Sub Marine Never had a problem with a Novatec hub....DTs may be slightly lighter.
oz cycle, as a relatively heavy rider I'm not very concerned about the weight, just durability. Thanks for sharing your observations on the hub.
If the wheel's other attributes are still ok but not the brake track (for example on isolated locations on the wheels), then what would be the suggested "repaired actions" for the brake track to make sure the wheels could continue to give useful riding life?
youd trust these in high speed descents? I do not know how flat your area is
Consindering I will be using mine only indoors on a roller trainer these should last my entire life.
This guy knows whats up with bikes, you got urself a subscriber mr. We need people like you, i can see you are really profesional just basing on your movements haha
excellent, as always
Should I be doing all these checks on my wheels? how often? which are most important? better to jsut let a shop do it? .-.
And there's the major difference between cheap wheels and good wheels - the braking/brake track. My Enve's have 5,000 miles on them (or 8,000 km), and the brake tracks still look brand new with no wear. The braking is better than pretty much any aluminum wheel I've ever used, with perhaps the exception of the Mavic Ksyrium Pro Exalith SL's that I'm currently using - they seem to be about the same, although I haven't done any major descents yet with the Mavics. The Enve's have survived some massively long/steep descents here in California (and there are plenty of them), and I've been to events where I saw a line of people with cooked carbon wheels from braking, waiting to get a replacement wheel. But I guess if people live/ride in pretty flat areas, then by all means, go with the cheaper wheels that don't need to rely much on extended amounts of heavy braking.
A lot of guys here in Melbourne run all brands, Enve's and Chinese included. We see the same amount of failure in all brands for all sorts of reasons including heat delamination. I don't see a problem with Farsport or Yoleo and in fact, have a set of Yoleo's for racing use instead of my Corimas. The difference in performance between my Corima's and Yoleo is negligible, although the same can't be said about the $3000 price difference. I'd hate to go home after a criterium to the wife with a broken set of Corimas. I've also used the Yoleo's for racing in alpine events where we have decents of 3000+ feet with no delamination issues. You might also be interested in this == ua-cam.com/video/A8fsKeQwplg/v-deo.html
I think the using the pitch to see if your spokes are equally tight is flawed unless you hit the spokes the same distance from the center or the outside every time.
Doesnt matter where you hit the spoke Justin, they resonate according to tension....try it for yourself.
@@stevenleffanue I definitely will! I did enjoy your video too lol. I like inexpensive awesome things :)
Cheers from Canada!
Nice, i was looking for a confirmed quality cheap carbon wheelset, 12k is a decent quality control!
Obviously way more than i will put in in the next years.
I will be buying a set of yoeleo wheels!
But what set to choose?
I'm trying to lighten my alu bike by as much as i can, but i also want to go fast!
I got a lot of hills where i live.
I also need clincher or tubeless because of ease of repairs.
This will be hard to choose.
Will there be a 20k review? Good job on theses, I just ordered at set.
Honest information and a fun, clean delivery. Yep, you got another sub!
Namaste!
Another informative video. I think I'll be going for a set of Yoeleo 50mm. Super bargain for what you get.
OK Brake track wear: That was massively useful. The brake track. How much longer did those front wheels last?
I hit appx. 14,400km then got disc brake bike. Those wheels were still fine then.
Hey, Oz. Just taken delivery of my Yeoleo C88/60 combo. Not fitted tyres or tested yet, but couldn't help but notice the supplied brake pads seem to have a very hard compound (Gigapower GB-336 pads)? Would you recommend not using the supplied pads, and switch to lifeline blue pads as you previously recommended from the off? Cheers 👍
+Vaughan O'Neill Yes Vaughan, for the basalt braking track Yeoleo has,use the "lifeline" blue pads....softer pad causes less damage to the brake track.
Hi just wondering did you have to pay any customs or imports taxes when the wheels arrived in Australia? Great channel by the way! Hugely Informative
Its usually included in the price Will.
very good review! greeting from China. I'm also considering having a couple of these wheels. I think the shipping fee could be a lot lower XD
#Sofronio Chen YOELEO offer free shipping. What wheels are you interested in?
These wheels are ok I think for what they are you cannot go wrong just don't expect them to be like Zipp quality or Mad Fibres which are totally different with resins an layup used.
Perfect for racing I think damage them no bother cheap to replace,one set I have are coming up 7 years old still ok few braking heat spots as expected 🙂
My Zipp 404 Firecrest wheels need a lot more maintenance than the wheels in this review. Spoke tension has to be checked often.
Great stuff and very thorough
Thank you for your service!
FYI, approx 2 years ago I purchased similar Novatec hubs however mine were fitted with an integrated "Anti Bite Guard" which has significantly reduced the typical wear seen on a alloy hub (not as bulletproof as my titanium Dura Ace freehub body though!). Cheers from Melbourne. PS. Enjoying the channel!
Thanks for the update! I think your video confirms the dish is out on my rs11 rear wheel, it doesn't sit straight in the dropouts. I'll have to search your channel for a dish video.
+Aaron ___ You mean disc wheel or rotor of disc brake Aaron?
I meant to say dish. And it turns out the dish was off causing the tire to rub on the frame. I adjusted it, and all is well.
I wonder if we can preserve the wheel brake track by applying some resin or epoxy on the surface.
+lee guankiat The most widely used resin for repair work is 'P-tex'. '2-part' epoxies are also use. Problem 1/ Transition temperature(melt temp) is too low. When your brake track heats up,it can melt the repair resin.
2/ Difficulty in obtaining consistency. Ideally once the resin has cured it must be levelled exactly to the rest of the brake track. Its not as simple as bog and sand.
In manufacture,a brake track is made at high temperature under high pressures.
If I was paying lots of money for carbon wheels, I'd definitely go for disc brakes, just to remove the additional wearing action from the rim.
In my view, the proper domain of rim brakes for the average consumer is in cheap commuting bikes with aluminium rims, or new-vintage steel touring bikes. But then again, I'm not a racer, so whatever racers do to win races is correct by default.
Thank You really enjoyed your review...Also You have a great shop your lucky ;)
For their uci approved range of wheels, would they still be fine to use in uci events if the decals have been peeled off?
Yoeleo decals are now under the final epoxy coat....the are not stickers.
Thanks!!!!
Great video great job!!!!!
What about now?? Are those wheels still working? What set do you use these days?
They reached about 14,500km and still fine but now Im on disc brake wheels....which are also Yoeleo and going strong.
@@stevenleffanue Wow!!!! Very quick answer!!!! Thanks!!!!!!
Im facing a dilemma.....go to yoeleo rim carbon....or go to a complete new disc yoeleo bike....never use carbon wheels...and i put around 1500 kms per month on my bike.
In any case your channel it s been a tremendous source of information help and fun!!! Now im moving to home made wax thanks to you!!!!!
Thanks a lot!!!!!!
In an older video your wheels had done around 12000 kms and one wheel had a crack and was not safe anymore. It was also Chinese carbon. Was that older set also yoeleo? I am thinking of getting a set called ican. Have you heard of them? I found them on eBay. I was convinced by your video to get some yoeleo wheels but then I saw the price was USD. I'm in Sydney and these days USD to aud is too pricey.
+Chris van Buggenum Those 50mm carbon wheels were secondhand when I bought them so not sure what brand they were.
Yes,Yeoleo are not amongst the cheapest wheels on the market. I have heard of Ican but dont know of any longterm users yet. Sorry cant help you much Chris. Perhaps you could buy the Icans and let us know how they go after 5k-20km ?
oz cycle I might get a set after Christmas. I am normally dissapointed by my presents and end up spoiling myself with stuff I really want. I'll let you know if I do. I've only recently discovered you. It's nice to hear an Aussie after watching gcn, cycling weekly, bike radar and the vegan cyclist.
oz cycle if Yoeleo was in aud I would buy them. It was like $750 ish for 38mm wheels with pro hubs and sapim spokes. I'm looking for climbing wheels. If I'm going to get upgrading to carbon they need to be lighter than my fulcrum racing 3's.
+Chris van Buggenum Fulcrum racing 3s are great wheels for riders under 80kg. How about investing in some nice tyres like Vittoria corsa cx if you havnt already?
oz cycle yeah I'm around 65kg. I've just changed from using Specialized tyres to continental gp4000s. I don't know if they are light or fast but they have given me so much more confidence on my downhills. My usual route is the 3 gorges is Sydney's north. I've traditionally been bad at descending and had a crash at speed which left me unable to ride for a while. What benefits do the Vittoria tyres give?
What happens if the brake surface wears out will yeoleo repair or replace them ?????
The braking track lasts a long time. I have a set at well over 14,000km and the track still looks the same as a new one.
Great video and quick question.... Stiffness in the ride in cornering etc? Pretty good? Is there a trade off for harshness
+Tim Dent Carbon fiber flexes a little,otherwise it would break being used in parts on a bicycle. A full carbon rim is usually ever-so slightly harsher but it totally depends on how it is built....number of spokes, tension of spokes, type of spoke. Generally a carbon rim is superior in 'performance' than alloy Tim.
Oz, nice video I dont even ride that type of bike, but I like your videos so much I watch them anyway. The photo on the wall (black and white) looks interesting, it that a poster you bought somewhere or is it an enlargement of a personal photo. if you wouldnt mind zooming in on it in a future video, i would like to see it closer. Cheers.
Honestly, "cheap" China goods have come a long way in the last 2-3 years. They have absolutely stepped up their manufacturing game on everything I order (not only bike parts)
90% of stuff comes out of the exact same factories in Shenzhen. They just rebrand the stuff they make for other companies, or make a minor change and resell them.
That's just China. It is what it is.
EVERY single aluminium Trek bike is made in China.
20 years ago in China, I bought Chinese-branded running shoes that came off the same assembly line as some European and American brands for about a third of the cost. Around that time, there was an attitude among the Chinese manufacturers that it didn't pay to be overly loyal to western brands which were that eager to lay off their own employees for minimal cost savings.
Just a friendly update I have received the wheels about 5 days ago I've had them installed by my bike mechanic via routine servicing he says everything looks great the wheels look very nice. Haven't ridden on them.but intend to give them a go over the weekend if it's not wet?
Thanks again for your assistance
Sounds great. Enjoy your new wheels.
I 'm so glad I found your channel. I have been looking for information on how the bikes work and how to keep them up. You really know your stuff which leads to the next question. How long have you been riding?
Glad the vids are helpful Scott. Always ridn , got pics of me 3yrs old on a plastic 3 wheeler 😂
@@stevenleffanue I knew it, a lifetime of knowledge. hehe I stopped riding when we had moved to the city when I was like 15 or so. Man have bikes changed. I'm getting back into it. Great show BTW.
Thx for the video! How do you clean brake pad marks off of carbon wheels? Cheers
Leave them on , it will help protect the brake track without affecting performance. If you dont like the look scuff it off lightly with steel wool or such.
Ever buy or hear of elite wheels?
Due to Covid 19, instead of being out raving on this Saturday night, I'm sitting at home engrossed by this. How the world has changed.
Anyway, I ordered a pair of these from DHgate yesterday, I hope I have as much luck as you!
Great updated review. What brand of brake pads had you been using for those 12K km?
+PSU JLA27 "Barradine"...sold by Wiggle as "Lifeline" carbon pads
how do these stop in rain? would you get these for mountains?
I have to ask it’s been a few years since his video how much longer were you able to use that front wheel before the breaking the surface was too questionable to ride on
Not on rim brakes anymore John....disc. The rims did about 14,500km and breaking track looked the same
is the Novatech to DT hub upgrade worth the money or is the former as good as you need?
Novatech are excellent hubs , never had a problem with one. A lot of 'name brand' hubs are made in Taiwan and China now.
Do you ever flick the dirt seals off the bearings and repack with grease?
+big hensh Not unless the hub feels less than ultra smooth. With these wheels I dont think its necessary yet. Saying that,Im actually in the middle of doing a vid on "complete sealed bearing maintenance for your hubs" at the moment...with an older set of carbon wheels
Why would anyone want a rims like these anyway? I had same kind of brakes on my bike 20 years ago and they were terrible. This is a serious question. Is it something to do with weight vs disk brakes?
I've have a set of wheel also...I hit a pothole DEAD on going about 28 miles an hour. I was thinking it was over for both my wheels and frame thank god i only came out to a tire puncture...!!!!
Your videos are very informative...thanks for making them! Any issues with braking in wet conditions on an all carbon wheel?
+MrFornicater Glad you like the vids MrFornicater. Most full carbon wheel sets have slightly less initial braking power when wet. ..after a couple of revolutions of the wheels with brakes on they start grabbing well. One simply needs to adapt to this. If braking power is a priority, go discs.
I live in Florida (USA)... where it rains pretty much everyday... I picked disc brakes because of this, which in turn makes for a heavier bike, due to the construction required to use disc brakes. If you live somewhere it does not rain very often, and or don't ever ride in the wet, then rim brakes are a better option, since the over all cost and weight are better with a rim brake designed bike.
Thank you for that quality review as always. If you were to recommend a do it all medium price range yeoleo wheel set. what would it bee?
+Nicki Sauer What is your weight Nicki?
95 kg.
+Nicki Sauer ok. 50mm would be about ideal for you Nicki....will be strong and aero without being too heavy.
Great very indepth review!
Looking forward to when you can play “ Buffalo Soldier” on your rear wheel!
how the heck do you get that cassette so clean while on the bike!!!?
A waxed chain attracts almost no dirt.
Hi there long time viewer first time poster here... I have a question about your yoeleo rims... I have rim brakes and I am worried with the breaking surface failing.. I was wondering what you thought about the yoeleo carbon alloy rims? If you had to buy these rims again would you look in to the carbon alloy rims... From what I can see they are 23mm thick and the full carbon rims are 25 mm thick.... And the break surface is different
Hi Robert. The quality of treated brake tracks they have nowadays you no longer need alloy brake tracks. The important thing is to use a soft compound brake pad and regularly pick out any hard grit which may get imbedded into pads. This way your full carbon wheels should last just as long as alloy ones. 😁
@@stevenleffanue sweet I love your work keep it up
Do you do downhills cause i wanna buy carbon ws but our terrain has a lot of uphills and descents
Yes,our territory is mostly hilly. Our roads are often rough too as I live in a rural area.
how heavy are you? would you also recommend these wheels to heavier riders (95kg)?
How do you find the 60's in cross winds? Thanks for great vid.
Im ok with the wind as Im not a light rider. Lighter riders feel the wind more.
Hi oz.. whats ur normal training terrrain? Flat or mountain? How does the wheelset perform on these condition? Wet and long mountain decent?
+khairul annuar A Hamid Hi Khairul. We have a mixed terrain here but mostly hills and the road surfaces are quite rough. The hills are about 1-4km long and often steep. Wet in winter and very dry in summer. The wheels go fine. Being 60mm, you feel the cross wind but that happens with all deeper sections anyway.
oz cycle thx oz for the feedback.. am still conaidering to sell off my fulcrum zero low profile for yeoleo..
+khairul annuar A Hamid Keep yur fulcrums for climbing and get a set of 50mm Yoeleos for speed :)
This bloke @oz cycle knows what he is talking about.
good video, thanks for the info
Can't the brake track be restored with a new resin/basalt powder treatment???
Yes but the process is expensive...when new it is done in mass production.
Regreasing the pawls onky after 12000k? I clean up and regrease my stock wheel pawls once or twice a year(1-2 k). The seal quality is much worse and i ride in the rain once like once a month.
+Chi Eng Chow Yes,bad seals means regular clean/regreasing Chi. Ive seen expensive hubs go rough in less than 6 months because of a badly designed seal system. Good you have a check every now and then.
Nice video. What sort of grease do you use in your freehubs?
+Mick Davies A grease thats not too thick but not too thin Mick. I use white lithium grease.
Hi @oz cycle , how many Kms on those wheels now? How's the brake surface? Thanks!
14,500km. Brake tracks are still fine. I dont ride them much now as Im on disc brakes.
@@stevenleffanue Alright, thanks for your feedback!