I’m really stoked to have found your channel - the quality of your reviews puts many of the so called “professional” channels to shame! Lots of relevant info, very little waffle and just very relatable to normal riders. Thanks, keep up the great work! Subbed.
oz cycle you’re also an incredible mechanic and expert. You looked at things I wouldn’t even check to think when analyzing those rims! I think found your channel because I was looking at canyon aeroad unboxings. I ended up getting my aeroad and really love it!
I purchased a pair of 62mm deep 3T rims, the hub had to be rebuilt, but I put ceramic bearings in all my wheels anyway. Everything made by 3T in Italy, Cane Creek design hours w/out nipples. They were only 40g heavier than comparable Lightweight rims, handling superb, acceleration from a stop and hill climbing unbelievable, only complaint very stiff, but bearable. 6yrs old when I got them, did get a year + everyday riding before rear rim started cracking, but for what I paid I was happy for the experience, I am a 210lbs, in gear, rider. Might have made a difference.
I purchased a set of Farsports clinchers - 50 x 25 mm rims, EDhub hubs (aka Bitex RAF10 / RAR9) and Sapim CX-Ray spokes, 1490g. I paid the equivalent of about 800 AU$. The wheelset's quality should be quite similar. Even if buying a wheelset at a local reseller has the advantage of a better support in case of mechanical issues etc., the surcharge of more than 500 AU$ isn't justified in my opinion.
Farsports are among the best chinese carbon you can get your hands on, they also have the best value hands down, a lot of people actually buy their rims to build complete wheels and then put their logos on it. Personally I will stick with their product
Good review mate (Belated Happy straya day). Looking forward to your 2.5 & 5K clicks report. I am of the opinion that the more expensive brands (lightweight, Zipp, ENVE) have a higher R&D cost that nearly justifies the cost , albeit unreachable by many. While these R&D value do make a difference (such as stable under cross winds, Zipp & Whale design), the cheaper chinese brands achieve some of the carbon benefits. I have been riding the yoeleo for about 3K clicks and its amazing (I did take note of your Video on maintaining carbon wheels). I am going to look into TUFF for my next Aero build, given Aero frames tend to be in the >1000g frame weight to help reduce overall weight. Looking forward to more ...Keep up the great content. Rav
Love the review , but would like someone to push the rim from one fork leg to the other to see if they deflect any is a far better test of stiffness when climbing, could you do a test with different wheels that you have already 👍 cheers
I see you're riding 23mm tires, have you experimented with larger tire sizes much? Would be nice to see 25's or 28's and how they fair on these carbon wheels. Seems like you could still be plenty aerodynamic while gaining some ride quality and cornering control on rough roads with a larger width tire...Grateful for your awesome content, keep it up!
@@stevenleffanue can you recommend which hubs do i go for dtswiss 350 novatec or powerway ?? ... Also suggest i am looking for racing so 50/60mm or what size?? I have aero bike Giant propel advance 2 2019 model ? So please help needed...
im wondering, if something hits your carbon spokes from side, like a car, or a rock or smthng like that, wil they withstand or break easier than metal spokes?
+Chris van Buggenum First time Ive ever riden carbon spokes Chris. Going downhill at 80km/hr+ I was thinking "I hope none of these spokes break or Im off". Survived fine.
New subscriber. There's so many 1000$ carbon wheel companies I'm wondering which one is better if any? Light Bicycle, Tuff, Scribe Cycle, Yoeleo, etc. Leaning towards Scribe or Tuff, any input?
oz cycle I'm not sure about that. The outer edge of the bead seemed to be concentric - but not the rim bed. In other words, wall of the bead hook not the same height all the way around. Camera angle didn't change so have doubts about whether that explains it. Edit: Check vid at 13:10 thru 13:26. Viewing again, you can definitely see the wall of the bead hook is of variable height as the wheel spins through the jaws of your truing stand. Outer circumference seems relatively true by comparison while the floor of the rim bed bobs up and down.
Love your videos and they have helped me greatly. Would you buy these or the Yoeleo wheels you did you r 12,000km test on? Appreciate your input. Thanks, Scott
You can get Mavic & Reynolds carbon wheels for a very similar price and they're a known quantity. These "Tuff" wheels would have to range from 500 USD to 800 USD to even be worth considering and they'd have to have a great return & warranty program.
it's good to see that you're being recognized for your work on youtube, with a company sending you wheels, that means your reviews are really good. I really believe in your honesty as to the quality of the products. I just find it interesting to note that in videos with products that were given by companies you could make that clearer in the video so people really understand that. Not a problem, just something that in my opinion should be more noticeable in the video. Good to know that we have more good companies in this industry, since being hostage of the big brands and their abusive prices is something very bad. In the future I definitely plan to buy a pair, and I'll take your videos into consideration. But I think I prefer to buy wheels with the aluminum braking surface, they seem to be safer and less likely to have problems, since the heat will not directly affect the rim in braking, what do you think?
We have one size of disc brake wheels currently. We asked Oz Cycle to review our wheels because he videos are fantastic, detailed, and HONEST. Have you checked his video on bearings? Outstanding.
Yes, his channel is really great, thank you for doing this type of work, i alredy told in a Brazilian cycling forum about your brand, 0nly because this video and because the price is nice, and the quality seens good to! Congrats for your brand!
Great thing about being a petite 50kilos like me is you can get away with flimsy wheels without problem xD...but I can't afford them for now :( ... anyway, I still like Yoeleo a bit more because their packing seems more protective, which suggest more caring for their products. Hope hearing more from you and these wheels soon :D
I picked up a set of used Bontrager XXX lite carbon climbing wheels (1300gr) for $200.00usd. I couldn't imagine spending $1000(s)USD on a set of wheels.
+bottomowashington Thanx for your suggestion. I havnt ridden half the tyres available on the market but could probarbly narrow the field down to the top 10.
Great review, good format and well shot. I'm a little bit concerned about the carbon spokes and thei durability. I'm also wondering why would one would go with this kind of product instead of the exact same pair of wheels from farsports at $550? (same bitex hubs, trusty and same weight sapim cx-ray spokes, 25 or 28mm wide rims) and really good build quality overall ?
Farsports competes on price - so they don't necessarily source their rims from the the same high quality factories we do. Also the Edhubs are cheap. The Matrix carbon spokes we use are half the weight of steel spokes, and not surprisingly - more expensive. We are developing our brand as a high technology high quality brand but with a more personal touch - we have more tech rolling out through the year. This costs money. We have lighter weight options in the EXO range listed on our site, and if you want something different to what we have listed - ask. If you want Sapim spokes and red Edhubs at the lowest possible price - then you are not the customer looking for a high grade set of wheels like Oz cycle has tested here.
on the tuff site they mention the spokes are guaranteed not to degum for 1 year is that there way of saying the glue on the spoke is guaranteed for 1 year or what?
yes, but are they stiff? I sacrificed a lighter pair of carbon wheels for Zipp 303s, because even though they are heavier, they are so stiff, and never flex.
Just watched the you tube on tightening spokes and tightening a few on a rim that had a damaged area. So, with carbon, the way to fix, if possible, is same or different on a carbon wheel?
The same principle applies to a carbon rim,yes. However,the deeper the rim section,the less effective it will be on up/down buckles....lateral buckles are usually still fixable. If your carbon rim doesnt pull up good,either re-rim the wheel or buy a new one 😣
Hi John. Yes,I did over 1,000km on them,then lent them to another rider for his thoughts. The carbon spokes on the rear wheel have loosened slightly and made the wheel flexy....noticeable on hill climbs and sprinting. So at this stage Im not recommending them to anyone until Tuff come up with a better build.
I can honestly say that I would NEVER ride cheap/Chinese wheels. I know there are many that will, but as a shop owner myself... I've seen too many failures over the years. And at 1300+ grams, there are many good quality wheels out there if you are concerned more about weight.
+Jackie Gammon Times have changed Jackie and almost everything is Chinese made now. Its a matter of sorting out the better from the worse. Im just highlighting Tuff as one of the better wheelsets....the proof is always in the riding them. Cheers
The only thing that has changed is there are so many products that are inexpensive and do not have the quality of some others. Now, let's think about this.... either the labor, quality of spokes, nipples or carbon have had to be sacrificed to get wheels at this price point. That's pretty scary to me, and quite often is an accident waiting to happen.
A chinese/taiwanese wheelset sold under a western brand for 1000usd is probably 400usd in china. Problem is with all the margins/taxes for western companies they need to go cheaper and cheaper on the products to stay in business. Spend half the money, buy from the source and get a better wheel. Do some research though because aftersale service will be minimal.
As another shop owner I agree, the Chinese brand look good at first and last about 3 months and then things start to go wrong... sometimes badly wrong...
Thanks for the review Steven. How are the wheels balance wise? I've been balancing my wheels so they are very smooth at high speeds. It's nice to have less vibrations descending.
They seem good, 1 of my concerns would be as the wheels are pretty cheap I am assuming that the hubs are really basic and how long they would last. Good luck though.
Great video, and I'm a big fan of your channel; keep up the good work. I'm thinking of buying a set of those and I just wanted to ask, what your long-term experience, so far, with this wheels is?
@@stevenleffanue Thanks for your response! I'm an average rider but a decent sprinter. I live in the middle of the alps and do mostly climbing. Do you think the brake tracks will hold up to alpine decents? (For a reasonable amount of time) How is your long-term experience with this wheels?
Ive only done 1,100km on the Tuff wheels,then lent them to another rider. He didnt like them because they were too 'flexy'. I would say if you are under 70kg theyre good. Tuff now have a blade spoke version which I havnt ridden...they are supposed to be even stronger for same weight.
Hi Oz, first of all I love your channel! just being curious: how are these working out for you now? You said 5000 miles review but thinking of building a penny farthing with these carbon spokes (yes they can do them :-) ) so any feedback appreciated 👍
Glad you like the vids Teun. Wheels still going great. Im guessing on penny farthing spokes will be very long? They will absorb lots of road shock,so that should be a plus. Difficult to predict. Id say give it a go! If you do,record some video making the wheel,etc a d riding it.....Id love to put that up as a vid on this channel. Cheers Teun.
Thats great to hear these are keeping up so good. Lengthwise the spokes for my wheel should come in at around 660-670 for a 56” wheel, which is my size. Reasons for using these are indeed Road shock absorption, given that a high profile AL rim rides a lot harsher than a steel one. But also absence of stretch (you wont believe how much a steel 12g spoke stretches), strength - and weight obviously. Promise to give you a heads up when its finished - but first comes design and build :-).
What do you use for brakes? There's lots of cheapies on the usual suspects (wiggle/crc/etc) Some people have recommended swissstop or kool stop as the "best". Any thoughts?
They have a pair of 30/30 that have a claimed weight of 1343 grams for $1,399. The 30/30 uses Sapim CXray spokes 20f/24r and have a max rider weight of 110 kg (242 lbs). that is impressive. I remember American Classic's Sprint 350 were 1350 grams with max rider weight of 175 lbs. However, I have to agree with Thurston Howell III, and would stay under 75kg on the wheels you're riding.
American Classic have produced many light weight products over the years, and none of them would be recommended for heavier riders. The heavier you are the more durability will suffer, and the more stiffness will be an issue. It is a balancing act. I am a heavier rider, and I would not expect American Classic (or even low profile Shimano wheels) to last long under me. We are confident that riders up to 100kg will be happy with the stiffness and durability of our wheels - but these riders are likely used to not riding a set of wheels for 50,000kms like some 50kg riders might claim to. If you are a heavier rider, or ride on rough roads, the lifespan of any bike product will be reduced.
Looks like nice stuff, I’d love to get my hands on a set like that. I have never heard of Tuff though. How long have they been around? Where are they based?
oz cycle thanks that information helps. Seems they do not have any distribution in Europe yet, so will be awaiting your long term experience with them. If good then maybe worth a shot for me, once warranty and service check out.
We can ship to you in Europe directly from the assembly shop. The TUFF brand is growing and developing fast. We have people associated with the brand with 10+ years in Automotive as well as carbon fiber cycling product development. We have had wheels reviewed on bike radar as well, but long term reviews from Oz Cycle will really show those on the fence how good our EXO wheels are
TUFF Cycle thnxs for answering, and getting right into the points which were left open in the review: in the review it was noted that the wheels were slightly out of true. Can you please explain what materials are the nipples and threads? Can the wheels be trued like those on a regular wheel? How high is the spoke tensioning advice on these? Many thanks,
These were "promo wheels" or "pre production" and hence had round spokes. They had been ridden previously, but not a lot. The nipples are Aluminium as are the end sections of the spokes so that they can be tensioned/re-trued etc. As for build specs if you email us we can check with the assembly experts for you. These are tensioned spokes like normal steel spokes, not untensioned like R-SYS wheels.
I stopped using them after 1000km and lent them to another rider to try. He felt they were too flexy. I agreed with him and we recon they would suit lighter riders only, ie 70kg or less.
Good question. I like the video. I would suggest an external mic with a windsock for the GoPro they work wonders for eliminating that terrible wind noise
@@stevenleffanue it looks like there's a Bluetooth option. I'm still using a hero 3 lol, but it works. community.gopro.com/t5/Cameras/How-do-you-connect-an-external-mic-and-keep-the-hero-5-session/td-p/195362
+Dũng Lê Văn Dont use a hub with an alluminium freehub body....steel is best for longevity. Alluminium is for less weight. There are steel inserts available to slow the problem but sort of defeats purpose of choosing lightweight in the first place. A good alluminium freehub body should be heat treated for extra hardness
Wow really ? Can i have a link to it ? I won't buy/use any hub except for the one that have steel insert in the freehub body (from Novatec for example) or one that have the freehub body made entirely from steel.
Many of them (almost all) not give any extra for the price. You know for USD 1350 you can buy a better Chinese original wheel set, even with a ceramic DT hubs or Extralite hubs and Sapim CX spokes and have money left over to spend.
As I said before, as an example: DeerAce specializes only in and nothing but wheelset manufacturing and assembly and have a far greater variety of wheelsets than those of Yoeleo or Tuff; while they are much more economically priced than them, they aren't "cheap" either and nor should they be as their wheelsets have received rave reviews on their light weight and Q-factor.
That's true, for the same price as these wheels you can have a pair of far sports rims (25 or even 28mm wide), with cx-ray and chris king R45 ceramic hubs or dt 240S for even less.
Thank you for all the helpful information. After all which one will you suggest, Yoeleo or Tuff? I saw your 12000km on Yoeleo review and it made me think to get a pair of them but after watching this I am not sure which one to take.
Before buying think about customer support, probably nonexistent. Also when buying critical bike components like wheels, frames, handlebars.... just think of the safety factor. Use these rules 1 lightweight 2 strong 3 cheap Now pick two options. Just because these wheels are called Tuf doesn’t mean that they are.
You have some amazing videos! Discovered your stuff a while back and have been watching lots. Just a few comments. I believe the EC90's are known as a stiff wheel. intheknowcycling.com has more info. My major, and I do mean major, concern over Chinese carbon is the possibility of them de-laminating. The other concerns are 1) Aero testing, just because they look aero doesn't mean they are, 2) braking track, these from the likes of Zipp are much improved 3) Impact testing, will the wheel collapse on an impact. All of this meant that I went for expensive wheels. The fact that the carbon is getting lighter in China is a bigger cause for concern, chasing weight could mean reduced safety.
most of the world understand the exchange rate of their currency to USD, not AUD, And most sales are international, not Australians. and R&D center in melbourne. thanks so much
+hypojames They look smooth in the vids but they are not I assure you. In the city areas yes but we are country area and they are all course for grip at speed and trucks. Lots of cracks and holes too. I havnt experienced your roads in the UK tho
DeerAce specializes only in and nothing but wheelset manufacturing and assembly and have a far greater variety of wheelsets than those of Yoeleo or Tuff; while they are much more economically priced than them, they aren't "cheap" either and nor should they be as their wheelsets have received rave reviews on their light weight and Q-factor.
ooh, that's a little more like it. I saw three sets, the least expensive of which were $1,350. I'll take another look at the website tomorrow. Thank you!
Buy from ali express buy just the rims and build your own wheels i find the hubs are cheap crap and worthless. must people on here wont know the difference between a shit wheel and a good wheel beacuse they are not looking for that extra second here and there that will bag a k.o.m. or win club TT. i can tell you a good free spinning hub on heavy old rims will preform better then 50MM carbon wheels with shit hubs.
I can see if your an Olympic cycist on a track that weight and aero spokes would help ,but for the average 99% of joe bloggs riding their bikes on the road that it makes no difference ,go on a diet and lose a few pounds if your that fussed shaving weight
I stay away from China wheels bc of the awful human rights violations! Hopefully their government will change and join the civilized community to allow for more free trade. Would like to try a pair but will forgo for the time being!
It shouldn't make SUCH a difference but it could make a difference over time for sure. Also I'm assuming most of the difference he is feeling is psychological cause he knows they are not heavy and expects them to perform well
I like the energy in your presentations. Always engaging to watch, and this video shows that the Chinese wheel manufacturers are still improving.
+derrincason Thanx...I had to "get with it" as some viewers said my older vids were a little lacklustre :)
I’m really stoked to have found your channel - the quality of your reviews puts many of the so called “professional” channels to shame! Lots of relevant info, very little waffle and just very relatable to normal riders. Thanks, keep up the great work! Subbed.
Thank you,much appreciated 'Urban Jungle'.. 😊
I love your enthusiasm and interest in brands and products most wouldn’t try but others want to hear.
+Anthony Flores Yeh...most want try but like to see whats up. Theres lotsa rubbish out there too...Im doing a video on "fails" soon.
oz cycle you’re also an incredible mechanic and expert. You looked at things I wouldn’t even check to think when analyzing those rims! I think found your channel because I was looking at canyon aeroad unboxings. I ended up getting my aeroad and really love it!
As a Canadian viewer, I'm bloody jealous of your Aussie weather...Nice review.
Pack your bags n move to Adelaide...best cycling city.
Ditto on the enthusiasm expressed by other commenters. I'm so glad you're doing this.
He's chilling for these chinese bike companies.
I purchased a pair of 62mm deep 3T rims, the hub had to be rebuilt, but I put ceramic bearings in all my wheels anyway. Everything made by 3T in Italy, Cane Creek design hours w/out nipples. They were only 40g heavier than comparable Lightweight rims, handling superb, acceleration from a stop and hill climbing unbelievable, only complaint very stiff, but bearable. 6yrs old when I got them, did get a year + everyday riding before rear rim started cracking, but for what I paid I was happy for the experience, I am a 210lbs, in gear, rider. Might have made a difference.
I purchased a set of Farsports clinchers - 50 x 25 mm rims, EDhub hubs (aka Bitex RAF10 / RAR9) and Sapim CX-Ray spokes, 1490g. I paid the equivalent of about 800 AU$. The wheelset's quality should be quite similar. Even if buying a wheelset at a local reseller has the advantage of a better support in case of mechanical issues etc., the surcharge of more than 500 AU$ isn't justified in my opinion.
Farsports are among the best chinese carbon you can get your hands on, they also have the best value hands down, a lot of people actually buy their rims to build complete wheels and then put their logos on it. Personally I will stick with their product
Good review mate (Belated Happy straya day). Looking forward to your 2.5 & 5K clicks report. I am of the opinion that the more expensive brands (lightweight, Zipp, ENVE) have a higher R&D cost that nearly justifies the cost , albeit unreachable by many. While these R&D value do make a difference (such as stable under cross winds, Zipp & Whale design), the cheaper chinese brands achieve some of the carbon benefits. I have been riding the yoeleo for about 3K clicks and its amazing (I did take note of your Video on maintaining carbon wheels). I am going to look into TUFF for my next Aero build, given Aero frames tend to be in the >1000g frame weight to help reduce overall weight. Looking forward to more ...Keep up the great content. Rav
Love the review , but would like someone to push the rim from one fork leg to the other to see if they deflect any is a far better test of stiffness when climbing, could you do a test with different wheels that you have already 👍 cheers
I see you're riding 23mm tires, have you experimented with larger tire sizes much? Would be nice to see 25's or 28's and how they fair on these carbon wheels. Seems like you could still be plenty aerodynamic while gaining some ride quality and cornering control on rough roads with a larger width tire...Grateful for your awesome content, keep it up!
Jack Rogan Yes,as we know today the 25 mm tyres are rolling fastest,plus they off er more convenience with bigger
air volume 👍🚴🏽💦
The compfort may be caused due to the whider rim profile whitch makes for a whider tire contact patch. Cool review, keep going!
Hy greetings from Pakistan... Tuff vs yeoleo ??? Which one
Hi Sheraz. Yoeleo are known for consistent quality. G'day from Australia 😎
@@stevenleffanue can you recommend which hubs do i go for dtswiss 350 novatec or powerway ?? ... Also suggest i am looking for racing so 50/60mm or what size?? I have aero bike Giant propel advance 2 2019 model ? So please help needed...
Looks awesome on that frame!
im wondering, if something hits your carbon spokes from side, like a car, or a rock or smthng like that, wil they withstand or break easier than metal spokes?
Is it possible to put a wider tire than 25mm, like 32 or so? Are there any good Chinese carbon rims for CX bikes, tires 35, 37?
Thanks.
Yes,a lot of carbon rim manufacturers are now producing rims which take up to 35c tyres.
Awesome alternative to light weight rims. Think I'll give it a go. Great product review, love the content.
Any update on these wheels? Also any need to service the hubs after a few ks?
Semi deep and super light. Must be like all your Christmas's come at once!
+Chris van Buggenum First time Ive ever riden carbon spokes Chris. Going downhill at 80km/hr+ I was thinking "I hope none of these spokes break or Im off". Survived fine.
Do you think wheels are the best upgrade? And any thoughts on the sub $500 Chinese carbon clinchers?
All depends what you already have Aaron. If wheels,then start with tyres first.
New subscriber. There's so many 1000$ carbon wheel companies I'm wondering which one is better if any? Light Bicycle, Tuff, Scribe Cycle, Yoeleo, etc. Leaning towards Scribe or Tuff, any input?
Rim bed looks way out of true - not concentric, causing the tyre to be out of concentricity as well.. Any comment to make on that?
+trailgumby Could be camera angle....I use my phone and it is slightly wide angle.
oz cycle I'm not sure about that. The outer edge of the bead seemed to be concentric - but not the rim bed. In other words, wall of the bead hook not the same height all the way around. Camera angle didn't change so have doubts about whether that explains it.
Edit: Check vid at 13:10 thru 13:26. Viewing again, you can definitely see the wall of the bead hook is of variable height as the wheel spins through the jaws of your truing stand. Outer circumference seems relatively true by comparison while the floor of the rim bed bobs up and down.
Yup, looks weird.
Also, it that the rim tape not being centered that can be seen there?
@@christianholmstedt8770 yeah rim tape not being centered could cause that. Overwise, that's a terrible rim
Love your videos and they have helped me greatly. Would you buy these or the Yoeleo wheels you did you r 12,000km test on? Appreciate your input. Thanks, Scott
Im 78kg so the Tuff wheels are too light for me,Yoeleo wheels with Pillar spokes are bullet proof wheels.
@@stevenleffanue Thank you and you would go with the Novatech hubs over the DT 350?
Both are good,DT a bit lighter.
You can get Mavic & Reynolds carbon wheels for a very similar price and they're a known quantity. These "Tuff" wheels would have to range from 500 USD to 800 USD to even be worth considering and they'd have to have a great return & warranty program.
Great video, keep them coming.
Great video again. Your videos are always nice. That Trek balloon in the background. 😁
+sunil jally Yeh the balloon comes from the Tour Down Under
Great info!!! Thanks for sharing and happy rides!!! : )
it's good to see that you're being recognized for your work on youtube, with a company sending you wheels, that means your reviews are really good. I really believe in your honesty as to the quality of the products.
I just find it interesting to note that in videos with products that were given by companies you could make that clearer in the video so people really understand that. Not a problem, just something that in my opinion should be more noticeable in the video.
Good to know that we have more good companies in this industry, since being hostage of the big brands and their abusive prices is something very bad. In the future I definitely plan to buy a pair, and I'll take your videos into consideration.
But I think I prefer to buy wheels with the aluminum braking surface, they seem to be safer and less likely to have problems, since the heat will not directly affect the rim in braking, what do you think?
+Afonso Ramos Disc brakes are best Afonso if you are worried about braking track problems
We have one size of disc brake wheels currently. We asked Oz Cycle to review our wheels because he videos are fantastic, detailed, and HONEST. Have you checked his video on bearings? Outstanding.
Yes, his channel is really great, thank you for doing this type of work, i alredy told in a Brazilian cycling forum about your brand, 0nly because this video and because the price is nice, and the quality seens good to!
Congrats for your brand!
Great thing about being a petite 50kilos like me is you can get away with flimsy wheels without problem xD...but I can't afford them for now :( ... anyway, I still like Yoeleo a bit more because their packing seems more protective, which suggest more caring for their products. Hope hearing more from you and these wheels soon :D
i have not heard " tickled pink " for years lol
I picked up a set of used Bontrager XXX lite carbon climbing wheels (1300gr) for $200.00usd. I couldn't imagine spending $1000(s)USD on a set of wheels.
Great stuff. Could you do a video on some tires and your thought and experiences?
+bottomowashington Thanx for your suggestion. I havnt ridden half the tyres available on the market but could probarbly narrow the field down to the top 10.
Great review, good format and well shot. I'm a little bit concerned about the carbon spokes and thei durability. I'm also wondering why would one would go with this kind of product instead of the exact same pair of wheels from farsports at $550? (same bitex hubs, trusty and same weight sapim cx-ray spokes, 25 or 28mm wide rims) and really good build quality overall ?
+Amaury Mltn Yes Farsports make good wheels too. If you want a very light set of wheels,Tuff can custom make a set for you at 1249grams.
Farsports competes on price - so they don't necessarily source their rims from the the same high quality factories we do. Also the Edhubs are cheap. The Matrix carbon spokes we use are half the weight of steel spokes, and not surprisingly - more expensive. We are developing our brand as a high technology high quality brand but with a more personal touch - we have more tech rolling out through the year. This costs money. We have lighter weight options in the EXO range listed on our site, and if you want something different to what we have listed - ask. If you want Sapim spokes and red Edhubs at the lowest possible price - then you are not the customer looking for a high grade set of wheels like Oz cycle has tested here.
Hey Oz. Do these guys make a set for Disc brakes? I’d like to have 32mm tires for better comfort. Do you recommend it?
Yes they do have now Dick. They will also custom make wheels as you want.
on the tuff site they mention the spokes are guaranteed not to degum for 1 year is that there way of saying the glue on the spoke is guaranteed for 1 year or what?
+slo642 The word "degum" is misleading. What they mean is "guaranteed against any defects". It will be corrected soon.
yes, but are they stiff? I sacrificed a lighter pair of carbon wheels for Zipp 303s, because even though they are heavier, they are so stiff, and never flex.
No, they do have some flex about them. They are more for hill climbing than anything else.
Is there something that can be done about obnoxiously loud freehubs like that? Mine drives me nuts. Maybe pouring motor oil in it?
Goriaas yes it can be fixed ... google UA-cam for modify cassette free hub . I did it to mine .. works
For example , ua-cam.com/video/7MhlOh9ijxc/v-deo.html Novatec hubs, for one , are notorious for being very loud
Do you ride full carbon wheels on hills and downhills will it warp or not ? Hope you would answer
All my wheels on all bikes are full carbon. Never had a problem in hills or otherwise. The key is to match the wheels to your weight.
Just watched the you tube on tightening spokes and tightening a few on a rim that had a damaged area. So, with carbon, the way to fix, if possible, is same or different on a carbon wheel?
The same principle applies to a carbon rim,yes. However,the deeper the rim section,the less effective it will be on up/down buckles....lateral buckles are usually still fixable.
If your carbon rim doesnt pull up good,either re-rim the wheel or buy a new one 😣
I make a custom wheels set. remerx alcyon rim, hubs novatec, and sapim d-light rear and laser front. 1500gr rear wheel have 830gr. Price 250 Euro.
i wanted light and cheap, so i got alloy 1400g set for 170$..
Any links?
@@itsm3th3b33 rim remerx alcyon or r411, hub novatec f482sb spoke rear d-light front laser 250 euro 1500gr
You have been using the wheels now for a while are there any updates on them
Hi John. Yes,I did over 1,000km on them,then lent them to another rider for his thoughts.
The carbon spokes on the rear wheel have loosened slightly and made the wheel flexy....noticeable on hill climbs and sprinting. So at this stage Im not recommending them to anyone until Tuff come up with a better build.
great video!
Mr. Oz, you do a very nice job on your videos. You seem like a very nice guy also and I would love to ride you. 👍🏻👍🏻
You are welcome to ride with us any time Michael. Just let me know and I send you the ride details for the day.
Yea I agree with Michael too - very nice editing and all. it's the little touches. And I would love to ride you too
I can honestly say that I would NEVER ride cheap/Chinese wheels. I know there are many that will, but as a shop owner myself... I've seen too many failures over the years. And at 1300+ grams, there are many good quality wheels out there if you are concerned more about weight.
+Jackie Gammon Times have changed Jackie and almost everything is Chinese made now. Its a matter of sorting out the better from the worse. Im just highlighting Tuff as one of the better wheelsets....the proof is always in the riding them. Cheers
The only thing that has changed is there are so many products that are inexpensive and do not have the quality of some others. Now, let's think about this.... either the labor, quality of spokes, nipples or carbon have had to be sacrificed to get wheels at this price point. That's pretty scary to me, and quite often is an accident waiting to happen.
Marketing, factory profit, european taxation, worker benefits... these all add costs.
A chinese/taiwanese wheelset sold under a western brand for 1000usd is probably 400usd in china. Problem is with all the margins/taxes for western companies they need to go cheaper and cheaper on the products to stay in business. Spend half the money, buy from the source and get a better wheel. Do some research though because aftersale service will be minimal.
As another shop owner I agree, the Chinese brand look good at first and last about 3 months and then things start to go wrong... sometimes badly wrong...
Thanks for the review Steven. How are the wheels balance wise? I've been balancing my wheels so they are very smooth at high speeds. It's nice to have less vibrations descending.
Can you put 28-30c tires ?
28c rear , 30c front
They seem good, 1 of my concerns would be as the wheels are pretty cheap I am assuming that the hubs are really basic and how long they would last. Good luck though.
+Dominic Shepherd Fully sealed bearing hubs. I took them apart to have a look...well made... but didnt put that in this video Domonic.
Great video, and I'm a big fan of your channel; keep up the good work.
I'm thinking of buying a set of those and I just wanted to ask, what your long-term experience, so far, with this wheels is?
The Tuff wheels are very light and definitely for the hill climbers. For stronger,heavier riders I would recommend going 50-60mm rims.
@@stevenleffanue Thanks for your response!
I'm an average rider but a decent sprinter.
I live in the middle of the alps and do mostly climbing. Do you think the brake tracks will hold up to alpine decents? (For a reasonable amount of time)
How is your long-term experience with this wheels?
Ive only done 1,100km on the Tuff wheels,then lent them to another rider. He didnt like them because they were too 'flexy'. I would say if you are under 70kg theyre good. Tuff now have a blade spoke version which I havnt ridden...they are supposed to be even stronger for same weight.
Hi Oz, first of all I love your channel!
just being curious: how are these working out for you now?
You said 5000 miles review but thinking of building a penny farthing with these carbon spokes (yes they can do them :-) ) so any feedback appreciated 👍
Glad you like the vids Teun.
Wheels still going great. Im guessing on penny farthing spokes will be very long? They will absorb lots of road shock,so that should be a plus. Difficult to predict. Id say give it a go! If you do,record some video making the wheel,etc a d riding it.....Id love to put that up as a vid on this channel. Cheers Teun.
Thats great to hear these are keeping up so good.
Lengthwise the spokes for my wheel should come in at around 660-670 for a 56” wheel, which is my size. Reasons for using these are indeed Road shock absorption, given that a high profile AL rim rides a lot harsher than a steel one. But also absence of stretch (you wont believe how much a steel 12g spoke stretches), strength - and weight obviously.
Promise to give you a heads up when its finished - but first comes design and build :-).
good looking wheels..dont know if ill ever go carbon but nice options..
Great man the wheels look very good !!
What do you use for brakes? There's lots of cheapies on the usual suspects (wiggle/crc/etc) Some people have recommended swissstop or kool stop as the "best". Any thoughts?
We supply some pads we have found work really well with all our rims. If you want a set we will sell them separately (and they are not expensive...)
They have a pair of 30/30 that have a claimed weight of 1343 grams for $1,399. The 30/30 uses Sapim CXray spokes 20f/24r and have a max rider weight of 110 kg (242 lbs). that is impressive. I remember American Classic's Sprint 350 were 1350 grams with max rider weight of 175 lbs. However, I have to agree with Thurston Howell III, and would stay under 75kg on the wheels you're riding.
+Terrence Bennett CXRay spokes are not as strong as the carbon spokes used in these wheels,thats how the weight limit is raised.
American Classic have produced many light weight products over the years, and none of them would be recommended for heavier riders. The heavier you are the more durability will suffer, and the more stiffness will be an issue. It is a balancing act. I am a heavier rider, and I would not expect American Classic (or even low profile Shimano wheels) to last long under me. We are confident that riders up to 100kg will be happy with the stiffness and durability of our wheels - but these riders are likely used to not riding a set of wheels for 50,000kms like some 50kg riders might claim to. If you are a heavier rider, or ride on rough roads, the lifespan of any bike product will be reduced.
Looks like nice stuff, I’d love to get my hands on a set like that.
I have never heard of Tuff though. How long have they been around? Where are they based?
+Teun Luijbregts Based in Melbourne A ustralia. Not sure how long they have been around but long enough to have other reviews also.
oz cycle thanks that information helps. Seems they do not have any distribution in Europe yet, so will be awaiting your long term experience with them. If good then maybe worth a shot for me, once warranty and service check out.
We can ship to you in Europe directly from the assembly shop. The TUFF brand is growing and developing fast. We have people associated with the brand with 10+ years in Automotive as well as carbon fiber cycling product development. We have had wheels reviewed on bike radar as well, but long term reviews from Oz Cycle will really show those on the fence how good our EXO wheels are
TUFF Cycle thnxs for answering, and getting right into the points which were left open in the review:
in the review it was noted that the wheels were slightly out of true.
Can you please explain what materials are the nipples and threads? Can the wheels be trued like those on a regular wheel? How high is the spoke tensioning advice on these?
Many thanks,
These were "promo wheels" or "pre production" and hence had round spokes. They had been ridden previously, but not a lot. The nipples are Aluminium as are the end sections of the spokes so that they can be tensioned/re-trued etc. As for build specs if you email us we can check with the assembly experts for you. These are tensioned spokes like normal steel spokes, not untensioned like R-SYS wheels.
How are they holding up so far after a year?
I stopped using them after 1000km and lent them to another rider to try. He felt they were too flexy. I agreed with him and we recon they would suit lighter riders only, ie 70kg or less.
These wheels compared to Yoeleo?
Good question. Id say for stronger, heavier riders Yoeleo. Under 70kg...the Tuffs.
oz cycle Iam 83kg so Yoeleo for me then 😄
Ok,yes. I would recommend 50mm section too.
Are you very tickled pink? Or are you tickled very pink?
Hi man, where are you located? Are you interested in testing compression calf sleeves for your cycling? Thanks. :)
+MD Gear Victor Harbor, South Australia. Yes I can test or one of our riders for you. Please email me....
elekmusik@hotmail.com
Hey buddy, how are the wheels after 2 years?
Good question. I like the video. I would suggest an external mic with a windsock for the GoPro they work wonders for eliminating that terrible wind noise
There is an external mic for gopro session 5?
@@stevenleffanue it looks like there's a Bluetooth option. I'm still using a hero 3 lol, but it works. community.gopro.com/t5/Cameras/How-do-you-connect-an-external-mic-and-keep-the-hero-5-session/td-p/195362
Tubeless option?
+Kiki _is_lief Im pretty sure the wheels are tubless ready with that rim tape. Just email Tuff to make sure thats on the model youre looking at.
One of my biggest concern, is that the cassette will dig into the freehub body. So how do you prevent it from happening ?
+Dũng Lê Văn Dont use a hub with an alluminium freehub body....steel is best for longevity. Alluminium is for less weight.
There are steel inserts available to slow the problem but sort of defeats purpose of choosing lightweight in the first place. A good alluminium freehub body should be heat treated for extra hardness
yeah, but isn't Exo's freehub body is made of aluminum too ?
we have pro hub which with steel freehub body
Wow really ? Can i have a link to it ? I won't buy/use any hub except for the one that have steel insert in the freehub body (from Novatec for example) or one that have the freehub body made entirely from steel.
Email us at info@tuffcycle.com. We custom build each set of wheels to meet what the customer wants
Unfortunately just another Australian brand playing and overpricing with Chinese generic rims, hubs and spokes.
Anyway great review !
+Alvaro Federico Why unfortunately Alvaro?
Many of them (almost all) not give any extra for the price. You know for USD 1350 you can buy a better Chinese original wheel set, even with a ceramic DT hubs or Extralite hubs and Sapim CX spokes and have money left over to spend.
As I said before, as an example: DeerAce specializes only in and nothing but wheelset manufacturing and assembly and have a far greater variety of wheelsets than those of Yoeleo or Tuff; while they are much more economically priced than them, they aren't "cheap" either and nor should they be as their wheelsets have received rave reviews on their light weight and Q-factor.
That's true, for the same price as these wheels you can have a pair of far sports rims (25 or even 28mm wide), with cx-ray and chris king R45 ceramic hubs or dt 240S for even less.
Total weight?
1350grams
Love you show brotha...!!!!
How are ur venzo shoes holding up ?
+Isaac Chan They are fine Issac..about 4,000km in them now. I will do a review vid one day for them.
Beautiful weather you got! Soo jealous, its average of 0-10c here :(
+PixelatedDrake Brrr! Where are you?
It's more like -15C here... But at least we have some snow to play in
Thank you for all the helpful information.
After all which one will you suggest, Yoeleo or Tuff? I saw your 12000km on Yoeleo review and it made me think to get a pair of them but after watching this I am not sure which one to take.
Are these wheels UCI approved??
+Constant Van Wyk Im not sure. Will find out and get back to you
+oz cycle Currently in the process of approval. 45mm has been approved. Once completed it should be advertised on their site.
Bro, surely you have an extra cassette and set of tires laying around somewhere.
Proper direct comparison by using parts from other wheelset.
cost more than my bike mmhm
"Campagnolo have been doing that for years" That's right! 2:1 is it called. Thanks. Nice Castelli bottles.
Yes, but can you true the Campy wheels?
Yes. Of course you have to take in account the unik spoke pattern, making things a bit more complicated.
@Ove Actually it's called a 'G3' spoke pattern.
@OC And why would you not be able to 'true' Campag G3 wheelsets? lol
I don't trust lightweight skewers like those ones. I've seen too many pulled rear wheels in sprints recently. Use Shimano
$1350austrila means it's about $75USD.
JLP Design savage!
Before buying think about customer support, probably nonexistent.
Also when buying critical bike components like wheels, frames, handlebars.... just think of the safety factor.
Use these rules
1 lightweight
2 strong
3 cheap
Now pick two options.
Just because these wheels are called Tuf doesn’t mean that they are.
thnx bro
You have some amazing videos! Discovered your stuff a while back and have been watching lots. Just a few comments. I believe the EC90's are known as a stiff wheel. intheknowcycling.com has more info. My major, and I do mean major, concern over Chinese carbon is the possibility of them de-laminating. The other concerns are 1) Aero testing, just because they look aero doesn't mean they are, 2) braking track, these from the likes of Zipp are much improved 3) Impact testing, will the wheel collapse on an impact. All of this meant that I went for expensive wheels. The fact that the carbon is getting lighter in China is a bigger cause for concern, chasing weight could mean reduced safety.
tuff website has a melbourne address and a 1100 USD price tag
most of the world understand the exchange rate of their currency to USD, not AUD, And most sales are international, not Australians. and R&D center in melbourne. thanks so much
thanks for clearing this up! 850euro looks good to me
Your roads look excellent. You should ride some of the garbage we have over here in the uk
+hypojames They look smooth in the vids but they are not I assure you. In the city areas yes but we are country area and they are all course for grip at speed and trucks. Lots of cracks and holes too. I havnt experienced your roads in the UK tho
DeerAce specializes only in and nothing but wheelset manufacturing and assembly and have a far greater variety of wheelsets than those of Yoeleo or Tuff; while they are much more economically priced than them, they aren't "cheap" either and nor should they be as their wheelsets have received rave reviews on their light weight and Q-factor.
As a rider I'd stay under 75kg on these probably
+Thurston Howell III I would tend to agree. However Im 79kg and a sprinter and havnt had any troubles yet. They are rated 100kg max.
affordable?!?!?!?
it's about a quarter of what you'd pay for a big name branded pair, so yes. Very affordable.
I'm seeing $1,750 American dollars on their website. Ouch.
+Mambo Dave For the wheels in this video USD$1095
ooh, that's a little more like it. I saw three sets, the least expensive of which were $1,350. I'll take another look at the website tomorrow. Thank you!
+Mambo Dave contact us to check out the best price for you, thank you
We got to face it chineses are getting better and better
good, loud hub sound :)
These EXO rims are now quite a bit mroe expensive that stated here, too bad :(
Yes and I think the new ones have blade spokes too.
Nice. I think you'll have a great ride on them for ages.
1350$ not my idea of an affordable wheels though comparatively speaking I suppose so
For that kind of price you should just go for Hunt wheelsets, or any other better brand of wheels
Jesus Christ is this video from 2007?
any questions can just email to to info@tuffcycle.com. thank you guys
wish you can contact us here: info@tuffcycle.com. will provide you more information about tuff wheel. thank you so much
What hubs are you using? Looks like Bitex ?
NO! The hubs we use are specific for the Carbon spokes used in EXO wheels.
The hubs look like venn gram hubs
Onya m888!
Buy from ali express buy just the rims and build your own wheels i find the hubs are cheap crap and worthless. must people on here wont know the difference between a shit wheel and a good wheel beacuse they are not looking for that extra second here and there that will bag a k.o.m. or win club TT. i can tell you a good free spinning hub on heavy old rims will preform better then 50MM carbon wheels with shit hubs.
I can see if your an Olympic cycist on a track that weight and aero spokes would help ,but for the average 99% of joe bloggs riding their bikes on the road that it makes no difference ,go on a diet and lose a few pounds if your that fussed shaving weight
Tsk Tsk, sounds and looks like he got these wheels for free from the company to advertise "review" without disclosing that he got them for free.
I will stick with my Durace C24, lighter and not too expensive
+J B Yes C24s are a good wheelset.
Isn't the c24 very shallow?
+Prastt Yes, C24s not considered an 'aero' wheel but a good all-rounder.
How about the C40 DA?
Mike Newberry I think the c40 is more expensive and heavier than the Chinese ones from this video.
I stay away from China wheels bc of the awful human rights violations! Hopefully their government will change and join the civilized community to allow for more free trade. Would like to try a pair but will forgo for the time being!
i wood never buy chinese wheels! YOUR RISKING YOUR LIFE! JUST LIKE THERE HELMETS TOO!
just buy a pair of Rolf Elan wheels... 1345 grams... better hubs better rims better spokes better build and $300 less than these wheels
Sponsored video?
Haha...no tm....I dont do sponsored products. I will do a 1,000km review of those wheels soon tho.
lmfao "these wheels are like taking a bottle out" what a noticeable effect! lmfao you can't tell if your bike is a pound lighter from riding it
It shouldn't make SUCH a difference but it could make a difference over time for sure. Also I'm assuming most of the difference he is feeling is psychological cause he knows they are not heavy and expects them to perform well
Oj,oj :)
Unless your doing super high lvl crit or tdf carbon is completely pointless. Nothing but bling and problems.
Watch your filthy mouth, sir.