We make a 60 kilo inertia starter for a car
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This just makes you realize, how powerful a starter motor is, and how effortlessly it turns over an engine many times, over and over.
@JDM BEATS You can pull the neutral safety switch in pre-computer cars and the starter will move the whole car until the battery dies. It can be very useful for emergencies when you need to move the car but it wont run. I can usually move my 75 Plymouth Valiant about ten car lengths or so before it drains a battery.
@@Impactjunky Neutral what now?? You must be American. Since manual vehicles pre computers did not really even have anything to stop you from turning the started AT ANY POINT outside of wheel lock?
Maybe there was a pre computer car with a clutch being required to be pressed down but there are plenty of computer cars that you still can turn key and have the hole vehicle LUNCH forward. Or back into something. Most up to date cars even manuals ones have safety crap built in to stop starter driving. But it really is just the last 5 years or so that you can not start the engine without having the clutch down. I know auto boxes have all kinds of things to stop you but... They are trash.
Ow and do not use the starter to drive. The battery is being killed doing it and the starter motor and fly wheel is defensively not happy. It is pulling the engine AND car at the same time. Even in neutral the starter is only for emergencies and starting the vehicle. The car battery is made for a extreme but short discharge. And the starter is made for a extreme but short turn over. And the flywheel and mesh to the starter is not designed to pull the vehicle since the stress and uneven pull ruins the mesh teethes quite heavily. Driving on the starter is really uneven and mechanically painful experience.
When you can not pull the vehicle by hand. When your 3 people trying to push a car stuck then yea the starter is easier then getting a second vehicle just to get out of a problem. Might even be safer. But other then that it is only for emergencies like stuck on a rail track with a dead engine.
All very valid points. And, yes I've had to use the starter to "push" my jeep a few times. I use to own an '84 Toyota FJ60, and I've had it bog down, and die in the snow, I used the starter to literally roll it through the mud and onto the street! I wouldn't have been able to push it myself, plus I was out in the middle of nowhere.
@@TheDiner50 Yeah I must be American. And you must be totally new to cars.
If you wanted to tell us all you know nothing about mechanics then you could have just said that in one quick sentence. It didn't require this entire massive rant directed at me. Most classic cars don't even have a wheel/column lock. They weren't mandated equipment until 1970.
It's funny how you make the same mistake as every other teenage car guy by trying to trash talk automatics when that just makes you look less educated.
The automatic transmission in my 68 Plymouth Roadrunner is so light that I can pick it up and carry it around the shop myself even with fluid and converter installed. You can't do that with big heavy modern 6 speeds that can weigh twice as much, up to and over 200 pounds. It also puts more horsepower to the rear wheels than a big heavy modern 6 speed because it takes less wasted horsepower power to turn all that weight. It also shifts much less often in a 0-60 or quarter or eighth mile acceleration scenario wasting less precious acceleration time shifting gears. It also shifts gears in less than 0.16 seconds leaving black marks on the road between shifts every single time without ever missing a gear.
It also pushes my 50 year old antique car to basically whatever top speed I want based on my currently selected final drive ratio/tire combo. I most often run a 3.55 final drive ratio with a roughly 135 MPH/217 KMH top speed with my current rear tire size, giving me loads more low end acceleration and torque at the cost of top speed. Any time I want I can install taller rear tires or taller gears for more top speed. With the current gearing and taller tires max speed would be about 160MPH/ 257 KMH. Swapping back to my stock taller 2.76 gear and current tires would put top speed around 175 MPH/281 KMH at the cost of some acceleration. Swapping to a 4 inch taller rear tire would stretch that gearing out to exactly 200 MPH/321 KMH. And that's with only 3 gears. My third gear is the same ratio as fourth in most six speeds.
Oh and launch is spelled with an A. Not lunch. And by the way thanks for repeating exactly the same thing I said about moving with the starter in an emergency. That was totally necessary.
Yeah my dad made us a billy cart with a starter motor in the 90s, it wasnt the fastest thing on earth but it had torque.... i remember carrying car batteries at like 8 years old lol.
These guys are always answering the questions I never asked, and I love it
They always have the most random builds. It’s awesome
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They answer the questions that nobody is game to ask!
They're mad and the world needs more people like that.
These are not the guys that never answered the questions not me never asked, and I'm confused.
Did you remember to turn the ignition back on after you switched it off? Easy to forget if you're not using the starter motor....
Me and my buddy were laughing the whole time watching it thinking the same thing!
Man, you know that's what happened.
My first thought as well … also , I would tell them: NEVER be without a can of engine starting spray handy …
The zaniest, most entertaining "mechanics" on all of UA-cam. You guys are nuts, lots of laughs watching your vids.
Love it ! I used to start my old car by simply firing the ignition a few degrees ATDC. No starter or pushstarting needed. It takes a complete understanding of all engine cycles, past present and future.
I really love how these mechanics answer questions I never had but are really fun to find out anyway with their experimentation. Steel nail wheels, super speed wipers, carburettors. And now "What if my car could be crank started?"
Would never worry about a dead battery again.
they need stronger welds for a more durable robust starter and problem solved
There used to be gyro buses using a big flywheel to generate electricity. Which would power drive motors.
Once the bus got to a stop the fly wheel would be re-spun by a motor.
Maybe try something similar, a battery free electric car. Maybe even do away with the electrical side and use torque converter to run the wheels.
Funny as always! Maybe try a "pony" motor like on big bulldozers from the fifties! A chainsaw engine maybe.
That's how the biggest tractor-pull rigs are started. Just... The "pony" motor is usually a supercharged V8.
@@TheAttacker732 A V8 would be an even better idea than a chainsaw engine!
It’s nice to see you guys are still going even with all this stuff going on, keep up the good work!
what will he try next a peddle powered starter for the car next?
@@raven4k998 Oh that would be the best way to start it!
Over 50 years I have played with many different size machines (mostly mowers - but chippers and other stuff) where the driven load could be run to maximum speed, the drive from the engine disengaged (if these was a PTO brake it had to be disconnected) - and the engine switched off. The fun was to switch the engine ignition back on and re-engage the load RESTARTING THE ENGINE WITH THE STILL-MOVING LOAD and not having to use the starting rope or electric starter.
I once had a carbureted V8 Chevy pickup that had the original generator (not alternator) I traded some welding for an old obsolete distributor-type magneto that fit the 283.
Since where I live is very hilly I NEVER HAD TO BUY BATTERIES OR STARTERS. The generator was low output but it worked fine with no battery at all. You know those metal ramps people use to change oil? I kept a pair of them in the pickup bed. If I had to shut the truck off on level ground I would run the front wheels up almost to the top of the ramps - then set both the driveshaft and rear drum parking brakes - then finally shut the engine off and let the clutch out in 1st gear.
Came time to leave it was: Put it in reverse, switch key on, kick off both parking brakes let it roll like two feet backwards, let out the clutch and it started every time...
Love this channel. The things you guys do make UA-cam a better place.
these guys show why crank starters are a thing of the past why cause they probably kept breaking due to material failures plain and simple
the way everyone gathers around, like "yeah, this is an entirely reasonable way to start your car" lmfao
I like this idea, only don't use sand or concrete. Fill the inertia wheel with lead so it won't shed velocity as quickly when engaged. Also to make it easier to turn, a small gear reduction perhaps a two or three to one for the drive with a slip joint direct the engine much like a pull start engagement off a lawn mower it string trimmer.
Get the inertia wheel spinning fast enough it starts to ring then engage it to the engine. Stand back Incase of shrapnel.
I like how the young dude sprinkled the dirt like the fancy restaurant salt technique
A 1.5x ratio would be good so you don't have to try too hard but you can get more revs
Reminds me of those Chinese Toy cars which had an intertia motor which you had to drag it on floor and it'd start moving on it's own. Reminds me of that toy lexus lx470 I had. Nostalgia.
I planned on doing this with my riding mower but was thinking about something more like a clutch engagement, not belt.
I can see someone in the ER trying to explain how they ran themselves over starting their car but forgot to put it neutral
fantastic! i had an old sailboat with a crank start. almost impossible. i was thinking about hooking up a bicycle pedal system. sold the boat and bought an old harley...
The welds only broke because that mechanic tried stopping that 125lb flywheel too early
Every car should be retrofitted with this starter! You guys are going to be millionaires!
Nice. Maybe it would be possible to build a working start/stop function with a big extra flywheel instead of using electric starter and battery for that.
This spring, when snow is gone, spin it up to the rupture speed, with the engine.
Now I want to see a 60kg flywheel
They actually did that. ua-cam.com/video/0M92bfoJZMo/v-deo.html
I'd love to take an engineering class with these guys, are they classically gained or just gain knowledge by a lifetime experience or both?
They just experiment a lot with Ladas lol
Neither is needed, but more difficultly, they actually understand the mechanical functions they're trying to achieve.
Do you really think these guys are "classically trained"? None of the stuff they are doing would be taught in a class. Except maybe welding.
If you want to learn this stuff, just go out and start doing stuff. You'll eventually figure out what works and what doesn't, and what tools you need and which ones you don't.
Bro just literally fuck around and find out lmao
@@mediocreman2 All these concepts are taught. You learn to calculate inertia, so you know the exact energy it would change from X rpm to Y rpm (knowing you want 900 rpm to start, how fast do you need to spin it if it normally takes a starter Z number of watt*seconds to start the car?). You would also know the exact torque seen on that shaft and the shear force on the welds.
ALL of that is taught in class, its how they are applying it (which is not really that novel, its been done in this case before) that part is just creatively using what they know.
They need to invent a pull starter recoil on cars that come with a decompression valve to make pulling the starter effortless and easy crank over
If every American car guy watched these awesome car guys work, they’d realize we’re all pretty much the same 😊
What about a big gyroscope spinning with a strong motor to rotate it so once it spun up it can be quickly rotateed causing the car, even if stationary, to pop up on it's left or right wheels. That would be fun. Put some round roll bars on top so the car can be rotated a full 360 degrees. Maybe that would help with parallel parking. Stop by a spot then the car rolls over 360 degrees ending up in the parking spot hopefully.
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LOL had to laugh how ya bashed the front of the poor Lada " WE GONNA MAKE IT FIT" HAHAHAHAH always enjoy your videos
I'm starting to think Vlad is just my uncle from another country more and more, pulling up to someone's house to deliver something or help with something. But showing up early or something/anything, so he's got a legitimate excuse for bumming coffee. Since he's finished his cup by that point
Try building a ratchet starter, or one that works with shotgun blanks. WW2 Aircraft use them
In version 2, maybe you could stick a gear box with clutch on the front of the engine and spin the disk up to speed before turning the engine off, then you could use the clutch to crank the engine with the disk
Now I understand how people broke their arms starting cars back in the day. Thanks, Garage 54!
What a great idea to present videos from one of the most innovative countries in the world.
Next idea: 3D printed parts. Like rims, clutches, etc.
What about an air pump like a bicycle pump. Pump pressure into a container and have a valve so intake manifold either is connected to pressurized container or carburetor/fuel injector thing. Pressure pushing pistons down with intake valves open gets engine spinning then switch back to carburetor/fuel injector.
They really should of set the system up so several hamsters spinning their wheel get the flywheel going and that starts the motor.
I really wish the stupid war would end . I have always wanted to make some gifts for you. My favorite channel!
Thats how you would start some old airplanes and tanks
Carry in trunk for emergency. My Focus starts on slight hill. In emergency, got out of street using starter motor in 1st gear.
8:18 "With enough speed, you don't even have to start the engine." 😅😅
The future "Stop Start Technology"
Should try a cartridge starter ,like used on old aircraft engines ! See the film flight of the Phoenix !
On a well tuned engine cold normally take 3 revs to start on crank handle .5 to 1rev for a motor at operational temperature
This would be great in the winter if the battery is half dead. You just use the starter motor to slowly spin up the flywheel, and once it reaches enough speed, you engage it and start the engine
at 11:05 the bearing housing says FKD hahahaha
Gotta love the 'Saltbae Technique' 😊😅😂
You guys are definately wacky wuskys, you brill , please carry on 😂😂👍
Was kind of hoping the flywheel didn't have a lock and was gonna freewheel....
That would have been neat to see...stand back!!...hahahhaha
This poor Lada has seen more shit than any other vehicle, ever. Props to it for still somewhat running!!!
Now I wanna see em strip out the engine and replace it with a flywheel. Nothing but rotating mass. It's been done, but I'd imagine a Lada would get some decent mileage
Have they ever tried to use a bicycle chain as a timing chain? That Idea popped into my head the other day.
I have ripped bike chain with my legs and a 6.5hp engine, it will rip.
Literally the way my Grandfather had to start his self built tractor. It was based on Andoria S320 engine and had a wrench welded to valve shutoff (forgot proper word for it). So you had to get it going and then slap the wrench down.
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Not gonna lie this would make a great off road vehicle if this was made more reliable no battery needed just have alternator setup where it only runs head light have everything eles analog
Centre drill the arbor shaft, tap a thread, & bolt the pulley in place using locktite on the bolt.
60 kg??? That is absolutely terrifying depending on how fast that is going it does not stop
Replace fuel injectors with smoking vaporizer coil tanks to vaporize the fuel to a perfect volatile state without any oxygen in the vape coils using either argon or carbon monoxide outta the exhaust of the engine. This should increase HP and fuel efficiency 5-10X. Your welcome.
This might work a little better on a car from the 1910s-20s, since most of them didn’t have starters
Need some type of bearing to support the welds n keep on going other than that works well
When you tried to start the car in the shop, did anyone remember to turn the ignition on? One time the starter was out on my car, and I tried push starting it. After many failed attempts, I realized I forgot to turn the key. I turned the ignition on and tried one more time, and it started right up.
I just want to know how many of their staff have been mobilised.
It's kinda like bringing back 1910 tech.
Hilarious that one of the guys has to tack on a funnel jigged from cut metal just to scoop in the dirt to the wheel 😂😂😂
You guys are absolute lunatics.....
I LOVE IT!!!!!
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They used to start tanks in ww2 like that. Cool
Lada, very familiar car, we had lotsa of those back in the day. Moschovizes as well, pick ups and all. lol
good video to show how inertia method works
Now you have to make an inertial engine.
Make an extremely heavy external (connected with front part of crankshaft) flywheel. Maybe, approx. 1ton or heavier. I wonder how much it will lower the minimum idle speed
would be cool to make it so that u can use it as a auto start etc so when u stop at lights it cuts the engine off then starts again with the inertia of the fly wheel
Fun video
The shaft failed most likely because the engine was still putting some force when driving (he said they lossen the belt) but yeah, fun idea, reminds me of thoes toy cars
You guys should build a car powered by a weed eater engine and a series of flywheels, pulleys, and gear reduction boxes.
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Today we put concrete wheel on Lada! 👌🏻
Thank god, they finally bought a plasma cutter. So much better than those cut-off discs they kept using for years.
Lada drives like a tank. Now you can start it like one too.
That thing has more torque than the engine itself 😂
If you had a diesel with an inertia starter and a gravity fed gas tank you wouldn't even need a batery
Build a car with a bear in it
Should see how fast you can get the flywheel going before mayhem happens
This is what I like in my recommended
Use this with those magnetic coils and you have apocalypse ready car.
keep up all the fun videos, you are great. I love the way you think
Back in the day that's how vehicles was started .
Love that blue yellow estetic 🍻
Build an engine with the biggest possible flywheel and try how low revs you can keep it idling. Or try to boost the ignition spark up as much as you can
Have any of you're staff been mobilised ? (serious question)
I used to have a LADA that looked just like this!!!
but MINE had the hole in the bottom of the grill and i could connect the rod to start it
yeah,that FLUCKED up.
PLEASE NEXT TIME DO A VIDEO OF a car with a truck braking system (with the tssshh sound you know) PLEASE GUYS UPVOTE
I don't know how much that second pulley is actually doing for a mechanical advantage. Its only slightly bigger, and the handle size if the same
i always see these videos in my recommended but cant get over the weird overdub
Really cool engineering
Make the lead fly wheel store momentum when you downshift lol
Keep up the good work.Never stop creating your own fantasy.
I WOULD SUGGEST TO START FLYWHEEL SPINNING WITH A HIGH SPEED BATTERY ELECTRIC DRILL
INSTEAD OF THE HAND CRANK!!
😂
God I love this psycho genius channel
If you had these kinds of starters your children wont ask to borrow the car anymore.
AND that is why they didn't design something like this ...IMPRACTICAL.