The horned skull is used by the greatest of Space Marine psychers as an hommage to the most legendary sorcerer in human history. Some called him...Tim?
@@tonyennis1787 Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shalt be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out.
The ram's head indicates he is an Epistolary Librarian, the 3rd rank and highest behind Chief Librarian. Below that is Codicer (2nd Rank) and Lexicanum (1st Rank)
3:22 - from what I remember of this model's particulars, the terminator captain here was armed with an auxiliary grenade launcher built into his power fist.
The terminator captain is a Rogue Trader model (1st edition), not 2nd edition. The librarian force sword is absolutely standard. Every librarian model with force sword has it. Turmiel from dark vengeance has the same one, as does the last plastic librarian, and even Jensus Natorian, the Blood Raven Deathwatch librarian. The horned skull is the symbol of the Librarius, and represents the mutation of the human genome that led to psychic powers. Also, the old beakie marine is on the Rogue Trader cover. You absolutely have to paint him as a Crimson Fist. The consensus is that his load-out is power fist and plasma pistol.
Was going to say the exact same thing about the Terminator Captain, yep 1st ed from 1989. I've recently bought two squads from this era worth of them and am going to paint them up as they where back then just for nostalgia and to play some Space Hulk. Blood Angels and Deathwings.
When you get your hands on the Witch Hunters codex you'll find that that is actually a Power Stake not a walking stick: A long iron stake that immolates as it pierces the body of a psyker. Counts as a power weapon but wounds psykers on a 2+. Not too shabby
And it is once again a thing in the latest codex. Also they "re-did" the Captain in both his Power Armoured version (one of the earliest "Limited Edition if you spend X amount") as well as his Terminator Armoured version (hence he is in the latest codex) as part of their nostalgia drive/old school resculpts. You can probably find him on google but they both have the skull covered scabbards on their power swords much like the originals. ;) EDIT: just checked and the Terminator Captain was the Limited Edition store opening model and the Power Armoured Version was a Web Exclusive for their new store launch in 2014
I found a box that had a bunch of stuff that looked vaguely like warhammer 40k, but they were TINY. Like super super tiny. After digging apparently they are from an old line of stuff called warhammer epic scale or something like that. So i got a whole tin full of vehicles, and soldier blocks sitting in my room now lol. I think they are near 30-40 years old because i remember seeing them as a kid before too and that was over 20 years ago, and they were already pretty old looking back then too lol
Excellent video! Definitely a trip down memory lane. Back in 2e, I had 100 of those Genestealers - no two had the same are positions - they were painted like fireants! (In fact, I had 10,000 points EACH of Marines (BLACK TEMPLARS 🤪), Orks, Genestealer Cult, Tyrranids, Genestealers, 15,000 points of Imperial Guard, 2k Eldar and about 1.5k or so of Chaos (Noiese Marines anyone?)! Lost interest in 3rd ed so traded it away ffor 28mm Essex Greeks and tons of other Historical miniatures since that was my first love and I was pursuing my Masters in History in at the time. Note: Lead in not poisonous on your skin as the molecule can not be absorbed through the skin as it is too large. It is only toxic if you ingest it (so no chewing on or playing with toy soldiers then sucking your fingers); wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water and you will be fine. (Been in the hobby since the early/mid 1970's when miniatures had far more lead in them; handled fishing weights, ammo and musket balls with no ill effect!) 🤪🎅😜 Finally, a miniature can be a model, but a model can not always be a miniature! You were handling metal MINIATURES and plastic models. 🎅
Hey now... I'm from 1982 and I can only hope that I'm hanging in there. Lol I have a bunch of old 2nd ed models. A load of Marines and eldar. I have a handful of old nids too. Actually, I have one of the 2nd Ed zoanthropes on foot of you want it. Still new in package.
The Librarian model you posted is from the 2nd edition release of the newer librarian models. Similar to Warhammer Fantasy at the time, all psykers in 2nd edition were generally available in three or four tiers. Librarians had classes/ranks: Lexicanum, Codicier, Epistolary and Chief Librarian. The model you have is the Epistolary version, or Level 3 of 4. GW used to release numerous "special" models at once. The Librarian launch included three different metal minis, and then a fourth in Terminator armour. I believe a bike Librarian followed after the release of the later plastic bikes, etc.
Oh, and Force Weapons, as well as Witch Blades, etc. were...staggeringly powerful in certain conditions. 2nd edition was miles above modern 40K in terms of craziness. No other edition has come close to matching the lore in the game. It was 50% role-playing game/50% wargame. Easily breakable by gamers, but no version has touched the madness of 2nd edition.
The Terminator Captain's leaning could be compensated for by cutting him off his slot, and pinning him onto a base that slops upward slightly. Like he's trudging uphill to the edge of a cliff. That way, his pose is leveled out, but not in a way to exposes the unnatural upturn of his feet. It would seem like a natural pose.
Those old Genestealers had a long service record in the hobby! I remember buying them in the early 2000's when Tyranids got their 3rd Edition Codex and they were already old by then...
They're certainly at least very similar to the Genestealer models that came in both Space Crusade and 1st ed Space hulk, which puts them at over 30 years old.
The space marine captain in Terminator power armor has a grenade launcher attached to his power fist. The little thingies on each finger are Jokareo digital lasers, if you were wondering and yes, there were rules for that at one time. Also, I think you just coined a new term for a bad miniature: a "Ral Partha reject!" Good call, Jay!
Jay's enthusiasm helps. And old models, which are sculpted by hand, are a series of compromises. That creates a certain character that today's perfect and amazing minis do not have.
This rogue trader marine from 14:29 looks exactly like the one on the cover of Warhammer 40:000 rouge trader book, that gun etc only mirrored (the one with ork head in hand :D)
I think the IG could totally get updated. Theoretically, making generic multiple arm and torso options for raggedy, ornate, or muscular arm/torso, then making a regular infantry and maybe a heavy weapon kit for each regiment. 2 kits per?
It is possible with the terminator that the leaning issue is caused by the feet having bent a little over time, I've had that with some old metal minis, you could try very, very gently bending them back a bit to have him looking up more.
The older models were great because the teenage me could afford them. Six plastic marines for a fiver. Easy to paint and practice on and build an army with. It's part of why I prefer Battletech and Firefight, the first has sweet detailed models and the second is affordable (and has 2nEd 40k like rules).
I've actually just finished painting a Dark Vengeance Librarian (Fallen colors, because Caliban deserves justice). The weird lightning designs on the sword go all the way up the blade. It was cool to paint. Didn't have to freehand the lightning, like I did with the DV Captain (though I'm reasonably happy with the freehanding I did, regardless). EDIT: RE The Ram Horn Skull. I would assume, without knowing the answer definitely, that the Librarians have that iconography because of the association between Psykers and general mutants. Psychic powers, in humans, is a mutation. And an obvious way to designate a mutation is to give something horns. I mean, the other explanation is that it's to show they've bested a demon, or at least to evoke that impression symbolically. But that's more of a Grey Knights thing. Then again, Grey Knights are also all Psykers...
I have never seen that Librarian before. And, yeah, that terminator captain was disappointingly small even when it new. If those kimera are metal, just use Paint Stripper on them. And that RT Space Marine actually pre-dates 40K. Plastic Genestealers - try a controlled exposure to oven cleaner - maybe 10 minutes?
the ram horns from my understanding is something to do with pycick wisdom (this if from my uderstanding of where the eldar come from the pagun religion)
Do the Gene stealers ! Acetone. Raw, industrial grade , Acetone. That'll strip anything . But be careful , do it in your garage , not your house , and don't breath it in. And be real careful about any naked flames. Like, no flames period.
@@EonsOfBattle Ah,... I see. I've used nitro fuel to strip acrylics before . That's the stuff you use in RC cars. Bit of that followed with white spirit , then warm soapy water. But it will degrade some plastics so I can't guarantee you'll get away with it. That's about all I got . I'll let you know if I remember any other tricks... Also : it's poisonous so be really careful. wear PPE, gloves , eye protection ,.. ventilation and ,...again , no flames . It's flammable like you won't believe.
That Captain in Terminator armor is FIRST edition. The weapon on hispower fist is a Jokæro mini grenade launcher, whike he has 4 Jokæro digital weaons on his fingers (lasers and needlers).
Regarding the rams horns on the skull: maybe GW is tipping their hats to Monty Python. There was a magic user in 'The Holy Grail' that had ram horns on his head! ;)
I'd be tempted to put the MJ Terminator on a raised slope, like a cliff, would both address the lean and the height of the model and make it look as though they're looming over the battlefield from their vantage point.
My friend as that skull scabbard terminator too and I don't know what it is, but I love him. GW did an anniversary update of that model that I covet. 5th edition era will always be my sweet spot where everything had a lot of charm and simple sculpting but pretty good details. Just before finecast.
The terminator captain is a Rogue Trader model (1st edition), not 2nd edition. The librarian force sword is absolutely standard. Every librarian model with force sword has it. Turmiel from dark vengeance has the same one, as does the last plastic librarian, and even Jensus Natorian, the Blood Raven Deathwatch librarian. The horned skull is the symbol of the Librarius, and represents the mutation of the human genome that led to psychic powers. Also, the old beakie marine is on the Rogue Trader cover. You absolutely have to paint him as a Crimson Fist. The consensus is that his load-out is power fist and plasma pistol.
Terminator caption has a grenade launcher and was first out in 1st Ed. Box had the cap, sarg, squad with flamer and assault cannon, and a psycker. The one marine you showed was also 1st out in 1 Ed in a box of 15 marines no special or heavy weapons. I had both.
"Kind of an old model" he says, "2003"...oof, just straight up murdering the old dudes today Jay. 2003 wasn't 19 years ago...and I have models in my pile of shame still older than that...
It took me so long to find that witch hunter inquisitor with flamer that didn’t have the flame broken off the gun…. Then I snapped it off opening the package when it arrived. If your after inspiration for painting it there was a paint off in white dwarf 292
When released the gun built into the terminator captain's power fist was a grenade launcher. Last year I undertook a project where I put together 40k armies for the current codexes using only Rogue Trader vintage models. I managed Dark Angels, Imperial Guard, Orks, Eldar, Chaos, Tyranids and a Genestealer cult. Also can you describe the Necron Lord you are looking for? I have several of the original version with a tall head, cape blowing to the side and holding a staff of light. All metal, no plastic parts. This predates the green rods. One is just undercoated and will probably never be painted by me. The staff of light arm is not glued on but I do have it.
It's weird watching your vids on retro models because my opinions are the exact opposite of yours. As far as I'm concerned GW only existed until 1998 when they swerved off a creative cliff and ceased producing anything of merit. I concede that a few models from mid 80s were of pretty shocking quality but surely the golden age of 40k was 1993: maximum rogue trader and the full release of second edition.
I’m currently putting the final touches on my 3rd tallarn squad (with 6ish more to go), and they absolutely make me look like a better painter than I am with how much the wash gets in the crevices. I also have the models for at least one squad of each guard regiment from the old metal line save the catachans.
3:53 I just remembered that the Captain in Terminator Armor that GW did for an anniversary, I think it might be a revamp of that model! That's actually amazing to think about
I love 2nd edition models! I've been building the Ultramarines 2nd Company entirely with 2nd edition models for the past year. Getting all the models to fill a full company was difficult but doable with eBay.
"Um actually" The skull and ram horns is the codex symbol for members of a chapter librarius In the same way apothecaries weather the 40k version of the caduceus and tech marines wear the machina opus
I love the old models. I recently added a few old Dark Eldar models to my collection. The RT marine’s face looks like the original version of Palpatine in TESB. Great video, as always!
In my 2nd Ed IG army back in the day I used different style guardsmen for every squad painting in matching colors. My concept what they were just throwing everyone together
I also just want them to scale up the terminators. but we are yet to get them for whatever reason. unless GW decides "you have aggressors, why would you want terminators?" because aggressors are stupid, thats why.
Hey Jay, what paint stripper do you use? My go-to, which may be overkill in most cases, is testors ELO. I wonder if sanding or filing some of the lacquer surfaces off of those genestealers and exposing the paint in some places would allow the ELO to get under the coat of lacquer? Might be worth while to get a hobby knife and carve out some of the deeper recesses. Idk, I'm a noob, how do you strip models? I don't have much experience stripping used models other than my own, but I got rid of a pesky krylon primer that nothing could remove until I used ELO. Anyways, I'll look to see if you already made a vid on this topic. Let us know how you end up stripping those tickle monsters! Ps, I'm also beginning to develop the same love for OOP models. I really like the new ork kommando models, but I HAD to take advantage of a great deal on ebay for 10 OOP NIB kommandos of the previous edition to add to the 10 I already have. The (die-cast?) (resin?) models are annoying to clean up, and to paint, but I really love the backpacks and the character of the models. They look sneakier for some reason, whereas the newest kommandos look like the newest boyz but with beanie-skull caps imo. I'll eventually collect the new kommandos for collection sake and for the load-outs, but if I had the opportunity I'd snatch up another 10 oop kommandos first.
I have a bit of a retro obsession at the moment. With the squats coming back I've rather keen to try and get some oop retro ones so when I start a Leagues of Votaan army, I can have one squad of veterans. I am also eager to get a praetorian IG army. I'm on the look out, again for at least 1 squad of retro Praetorians to make up a veteran squad whilst the main bulk can be the new Wargames Atlantic minis. I have however also be looking through my old models recently because of my new interest in retro. I work in a charity shop and on very rare occasion, we've had retro models come in. Of course I've snatched up anything of interest and also whatever doesn't sell to save it fro, the scrap heap. But looking through it, I've found some nice stuff. An old Commissar Yarrick (like 1990s yarrick) A rogue trader inquisitor in terminator armour Rogue trader librarian in terminator armour A space crusade dreadnought with some other models from the same box Old space marine scouts (possibly rogue trader) Blood angels Captain (possibly 2nd edition) An old metal dreadnought I also got from work 10 metal cadians, 10 metal catachans, and I also already owned 10 metal valhallans and 10 metal steel legion. (No praetorian though 😭) I also managed to get part of the old hero quest box. A plastic wizard, Elf, dwarf, human with some plastic skeletons. All still on the sprues. It's so much fun seeing all these classic mode,s which look crap by todays standards but are full of their own unique charm
That Librarian from memory was an epistolary (level 3) the ranks were lexicanium (level 1) codicer (level 2) epistolary and chief librarian. (Level 4) level being the number of different psychic powers they could take.
Inferno Pistols aren't hand flamers. They are pistol Melta guns and are extremely powerful. The Inquisitor was one of the highlighted models of the Witch Hunters Codex, using the Inferno Pistol, Power Stake, and Power Armor. Witch Hunters had so much fun stuff in it that was weird and wacky while being extremely powerful but limited in some way.
The old stumpy generic space marines, I don't know why but now we have the gigantic primaris and squats are coming back...someone needs to do a homebrew Squat Marines Chapter for the pure funnies using the old SMs, given they look tiny compared to modern SM models I think it would look funny as hell and cool too 🤣
Demon hunters was the original old school, first official showing of the Grey Knights, Witch Hunters was the first official codex for Sisters of Battle. I guess I am officially an old fart now, as the black templar marine and inquisitor models are considered "retro", and I remember them coming out.
The Librarian model is wearing a necklace with a talisman. That's why it's off center. It's the motion of the models swing. The rams horns represent mutation. All librarians are supposed to be painted completely blue except for their chapter badge shoulder pad. The lighting up the blade is the 'force' conduit.
So I was gifted some second hand space marines, but one was missing his left arm, another his left hand. I've seen lots of second hand Marines on Noble Knight and the like and lots of sets have a Marine or 3 missing their left arms. why is it always the left arm?
The Librarians have Horns on the Skull as there Insignia according to the Kodex Spacemarines. The Primaris Librarian has some sculpted Details on his Force Sword.
seing thoses antiquities for what they are make me feel the same. ^^ I have bought quite all the starter eldar boxes over the years and can compare the prices... ouch. collected all the 1st metal Harlequins, here. but Inquisition is a good choice too. their models always seemed apeeling. bought some of those 2nd hand chimera to use them as Slaanesh beasts for Battle many many years ago, and decently painted they look... always ugly. but they where cheap.
Man, that captain is lumpy. I have a lead Rogue Trader marine with a chainsword and sunglasses that looks way better. He and about 25 original plastic marines are going to become a group of Rainbow Warriors.
Woah, second edition guy? I didn't realise that 'beakies' didn't last very long (I was around for 1st, then left before 2nd, lol... so beakies is all I've known).
"back in rogue trader when space marines we're knights in shining armor" Um, what now? What version of rogue trader are you reading?!?! Rogue trader marines were barely contained barbarians.
I have Dark elder wytches Demons of khorne bloodletters Possessed chaos space marines Original demon prince All unpainted leftover from when I was a kid!
I decided to get into kill team as I never managed to paint an army, been in and out opf the hobby, got my old stuff out, have a boxed marauder minatures orc shaman on a war wyvern, 1992! Not sure what to do with it, paranoid of messin up the paint job! Not done many big minis.
The horned skull is used by the greatest of Space Marine psychers as an hommage to the most legendary sorcerer in human history. Some called him...Tim?
Well done, sir.
Why does this only have 5 upvotes?
@@tonyennis1787 Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shalt be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out.
The ram's head indicates he is an Epistolary Librarian, the 3rd rank and highest behind Chief Librarian. Below that is Codicer (2nd Rank) and Lexicanum (1st Rank)
My man
3:22 - from what I remember of this model's particulars, the terminator captain here was armed with an auxiliary grenade launcher built into his power fist.
This is 100% correct, even rules for it ion 1st ed Space Hulk!
The terminator captain is a Rogue Trader model (1st edition), not 2nd edition.
The librarian force sword is absolutely standard. Every librarian model with force sword has it. Turmiel from dark vengeance has the same one, as does the last plastic librarian, and even Jensus Natorian, the Blood Raven Deathwatch librarian.
The horned skull is the symbol of the Librarius, and represents the mutation of the human genome that led to psychic powers.
Also, the old beakie marine is on the Rogue Trader cover. You absolutely have to paint him as a Crimson Fist. The consensus is that his load-out is power fist and plasma pistol.
Was going to say the exact same thing about the Terminator Captain, yep 1st ed from 1989. I've recently bought two squads from this era worth of them and am going to paint them up as they where back then just for nostalgia and to play some Space Hulk. Blood Angels and Deathwings.
Also, the `gun' on the power fist is actually a grenade launcher. There were rules in 1st ed Space Hulk for this.
When you get your hands on the Witch Hunters codex you'll find that that is actually a Power Stake not a walking stick: A long iron stake that immolates as it pierces the body of a psyker. Counts as a power weapon but wounds psykers on a 2+. Not too shabby
Against some armies that Power Stake was a bit over powered.
The termy captain has a grenade launcher on his powerfist.
That used to be a thing.
And that terminator sculpt was released before 2and edition 40K was released so it was Rogue Trader edition.
And it is once again a thing in the latest codex. Also they "re-did" the Captain in both his Power Armoured version (one of the earliest "Limited Edition if you spend X amount") as well as his Terminator Armoured version (hence he is in the latest codex) as part of their nostalgia drive/old school resculpts. You can probably find him on google but they both have the skull covered scabbards on their power swords much like the originals. ;)
EDIT: just checked and the Terminator Captain was the Limited Edition store opening model and the Power Armoured Version was a Web Exclusive for their new store launch in 2014
@@elrondorio The Space Hulk Terminator box set with the original Captain "Cloud Runner" Ezekiel
That is a legal build in 9th edition.
@@frizzank Anything on any edition model should be legal.
I bet that space marine has a great personality
I can't wait to paint my Space Crusade Chaos Dred. It came out 8 years before I was even born but it's ED-209 vibe is so nice
I found a box that had a bunch of stuff that looked vaguely like warhammer 40k, but they were TINY. Like super super tiny. After digging apparently they are from an old line of stuff called warhammer epic scale or something like that. So i got a whole tin full of vehicles, and soldier blocks sitting in my room now lol. I think they are near 30-40 years old because i remember seeing them as a kid before too and that was over 20 years ago, and they were already pretty old looking back then too lol
I have that exact "Black Templar" captain. i just stripped the black paint off and can't wait to see what you did with yours.
Your content is so wholesome, keep it comin!
FYI about the old RT capt, That back pack is a separate piece. The Metal backpacks are very rare
@ 15.56 - please paint this dude! you can do a great job, I have faith in you
Excellent video! Definitely a trip down memory lane.
Back in 2e, I had 100 of those Genestealers - no two had the same are positions - they were painted like fireants! (In fact, I had 10,000 points EACH of Marines (BLACK TEMPLARS 🤪), Orks, Genestealer Cult, Tyrranids, Genestealers, 15,000 points of Imperial Guard, 2k Eldar and about 1.5k or so of Chaos (Noiese Marines anyone?)! Lost interest in 3rd ed so traded it away ffor 28mm Essex Greeks and tons of other Historical miniatures since that was my first love and I was pursuing my Masters in History in at the time.
Note: Lead in not poisonous on your skin as the molecule can not be absorbed through the skin as it is too large. It is only toxic if you ingest it (so no chewing on or playing with toy soldiers then sucking your fingers); wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water and you will be fine. (Been in the hobby since the early/mid 1970's when miniatures had far more lead in them; handled fishing weights, ammo and musket balls with no ill effect!) 🤪🎅😜
Finally, a miniature can be a model, but a model can not always be a miniature! You were handling metal MINIATURES and plastic models. 🎅
Hey now... I'm from 1982 and I can only hope that I'm hanging in there. Lol
I have a bunch of old 2nd ed models. A load of Marines and eldar. I have a handful of old nids too. Actually, I have one of the 2nd Ed zoanthropes on foot of you want it. Still new in package.
The Librarian model you posted is from the 2nd edition release of the newer librarian models. Similar to Warhammer Fantasy at the time, all psykers in 2nd edition were generally available in three or four tiers. Librarians had classes/ranks: Lexicanum, Codicier, Epistolary and Chief Librarian. The model you have is the Epistolary version, or Level 3 of 4. GW used to release numerous "special" models at once. The Librarian launch included three different metal minis, and then a fourth in Terminator armour. I believe a bike Librarian followed after the release of the later plastic bikes, etc.
Oh, and Force Weapons, as well as Witch Blades, etc. were...staggeringly powerful in certain conditions. 2nd edition was miles above modern 40K in terms of craziness. No other edition has come close to matching the lore in the game. It was 50% role-playing game/50% wargame. Easily breakable by gamers, but no version has touched the madness of 2nd edition.
The Terminator Captain's leaning could be compensated for by cutting him off his slot, and pinning him onto a base that slops upward slightly. Like he's trudging uphill to the edge of a cliff. That way, his pose is leveled out, but not in a way to exposes the unnatural upturn of his feet. It would seem like a natural pose.
that's a good idea
I also wonder if you could remove the front half of the feet, and sculpt a replacement at a different angle using green stuff.
When I got mine, I bent the feet slightly - he was walking through tall grass so that helped.
Inquisition was also going to get their third Codex in 3rd-4th Editions for the Ordo Xenos army. Codex: Alien Hunters, which never came to be sadly.
The primaris librarian has a very similar pattern sculpted onto his sword, it's a really nice touch!
You can also do the victorian guard(yes this exists) if you can find them
Those old Genestealers had a long service record in the hobby! I remember buying them in the early 2000's when Tyranids got their 3rd Edition Codex and they were already old by then...
They're certainly at least very similar to the Genestealer models that came in both Space Crusade and 1st ed Space hulk, which puts them at over 30 years old.
I'm pretty sure I had mine in 4th/5th edition
The space marine captain in Terminator power armor has a grenade launcher attached to his power fist. The little thingies on each finger are Jokareo digital lasers, if you were wondering and yes, there were rules for that at one time.
Also, I think you just coined a new term for a bad miniature: a "Ral Partha reject!" Good call, Jay!
Old minis bring more joy to me to paint than modern day minis
So true
They're less stressful to paint for some reason.
@@thejonathan130 less detail probably
I feel the same. Primaris stuff is simply boring to paint, for me at least.
Jay's enthusiasm helps. And old models, which are sculpted by hand, are a series of compromises. That creates a certain character that today's perfect and amazing minis do not have.
This rogue trader marine from 14:29 looks exactly like the one on the cover of Warhammer 40:000 rouge trader book, that gun etc only mirrored (the one with ork head in hand :D)
I think the IG could totally get updated. Theoretically, making generic multiple arm and torso options for raggedy, ornate, or muscular arm/torso, then making a regular infantry and maybe a heavy weapon kit for each regiment. 2 kits per?
The warp is a pathway to many abilities some would consider unnatural
I'm reading this and hearing Mark Strong saying it 🤣 #TeamTitus
It is possible with the terminator that the leaning issue is caused by the feet having bent a little over time, I've had that with some old metal minis, you could try very, very gently bending them back a bit to have him looking up more.
Jay, if they are metal you can just use AUTOMOTIVE paint stripper. Baste it and leave in a bag. Brake fluid also destroys paint.
The pattern on librarian' s sword is still present on modern models, it is just librarian only thing.
I've got some old school jump marines still in pack! :D
11:50 I don't really have any plans to do a Dark Eldar army but...
add them to the challenge!
The older models were great because the teenage me could afford them. Six plastic marines for a fiver. Easy to paint and practice on and build an army with. It's part of why I prefer Battletech and Firefight, the first has sweet detailed models and the second is affordable (and has 2nEd 40k like rules).
These desert guys could work well with the new Necromunda stuff as well maybe
I've actually just finished painting a Dark Vengeance Librarian (Fallen colors, because Caliban deserves justice). The weird lightning designs on the sword go all the way up the blade. It was cool to paint. Didn't have to freehand the lightning, like I did with the DV Captain (though I'm reasonably happy with the freehanding I did, regardless).
EDIT: RE The Ram Horn Skull. I would assume, without knowing the answer definitely, that the Librarians have that iconography because of the association between Psykers and general mutants. Psychic powers, in humans, is a mutation. And an obvious way to designate a mutation is to give something horns.
I mean, the other explanation is that it's to show they've bested a demon, or at least to evoke that impression symbolically. But that's more of a Grey Knights thing. Then again, Grey Knights are also all Psykers...
I have never seen that Librarian before. And, yeah, that terminator captain was disappointingly small even when it new. If those kimera are metal, just use Paint Stripper on them. And that RT Space Marine actually pre-dates 40K. Plastic Genestealers - try a controlled exposure to oven cleaner - maybe 10 minutes?
You could put him on a base angled as if he’s walking up a cliff/hill?
I think the Inquisitors "walking stick" is actually a Null Rod, a close combat weapon which absorbs and nullifies psychic powers.
It was a Power Stake, a weapon that only appeared in the Witchhunters Codex. Essentially it was a power weapon that wounded all psykers on a 2+.
LOL Trying to imagine the human body contorting in that way to fit in the Terminator armor
The 2003 inquisitor should be safe to handle as luckily GW stopped using lead after 1997. 😁
You could paint the plasma fist prisoner guy as a crimson fist
Sorry Jay! Just sold my Witch Hunters Codex a couple months ago!
Watching this after the announcement of 10th you predicted the terminators being scaled up and not changed loads
his terminator prediction was right on the spot though
What does oop mean? Old old people? Orange Overpowered pies? Ordering oval plates?
The terminator: hehe
the ram horns from my understanding is something to do with pycick wisdom (this if from my uderstanding of where the eldar come from the pagun religion)
Do the Gene stealers ! Acetone. Raw, industrial grade , Acetone. That'll strip anything . But be careful , do it in your garage , not your house , and don't breath it in. And be real careful about any naked flames. Like, no flames period.
I can't they are plastic models
@@EonsOfBattle Ah,... I see. I've used nitro fuel to strip acrylics before . That's the stuff you use in RC cars. Bit of that followed with white spirit , then warm soapy water. But it will degrade some plastics so I can't guarantee you'll get away with it.
That's about all I got . I'll let you know if I remember any other tricks...
Also : it's poisonous so be really careful. wear PPE, gloves , eye protection ,.. ventilation and ,...again , no flames . It's flammable like you won't believe.
I’m so glad you were right about Primaris terminators
Hmmm 1492. Thats interesting
I like retro models because of their cartoonish appearance. In a game as silly and bonkers as 40k, a goofy spaceman super soldier fits well
Paint the genestealers as Xenomorph (Alien and Aliens) colour scheme :)
That Captain in Terminator armor is FIRST edition. The weapon on hispower fist is a Jokæro mini grenade launcher, whike he has 4 Jokæro digital weaons on his fingers (lasers and needlers).
Space marines were so small due to the need to fit on a 25mm slottabase and still stand up
Regarding the rams horns on the skull: maybe GW is tipping their hats to Monty Python. There was a magic user in 'The Holy Grail' that had ram horns on his head! ;)
I'd be tempted to put the MJ Terminator on a raised slope, like a cliff, would both address the lean and the height of the model and make it look as though they're looming over the battlefield from their vantage point.
My friend as that skull scabbard terminator too and I don't know what it is, but I love him. GW did an anniversary update of that model that I covet.
5th edition era will always be my sweet spot where everything had a lot of charm and simple sculpting but pretty good details. Just before finecast.
The terminator captain is a classic sculpt. Needs to be painted up as a blood angel. :). Look for the old white dwarf painting guide….
The terminator captain is a Rogue Trader model (1st edition), not 2nd edition.
The librarian force sword is absolutely standard. Every librarian model with force sword has it. Turmiel from dark vengeance has the same one, as does the last plastic librarian, and even Jensus Natorian, the Blood Raven Deathwatch librarian.
The horned skull is the symbol of the Librarius, and represents the mutation of the human genome that led to psychic powers.
Also, the old beakie marine is on the Rogue Trader cover. You absolutely have to paint him as a Crimson Fist. The consensus is that his load-out is power fist and plasma pistol.
Terminator caption has a grenade launcher and was first out in 1st Ed. Box had the cap, sarg, squad with flamer and assault cannon, and a psycker. The one marine you showed was also 1st out in 1 Ed in a box of 15 marines no special or heavy weapons. I had both.
Those genestealers are the ones I grew up with so I can't see anything wrong with them 🤔
"Kind of an old model" he says, "2003"...oof, just straight up murdering the old dudes today Jay. 2003 wasn't 19 years ago...and I have models in my pile of shame still older than that...
I have models in my pile of shame from the 70s - older than most people here!
You were the chosen one Jay. You were supposed to destroy the retro hype not join it.
Librarian Epistolary!
Back when your Librarians had levels.
Also, them warp beasts tho. They're so ugly but charming.
This is correct. Epistolary, Codicer etc.
Are u gonna Repaint it? With modern tools and Modern Colors?
I love the old models! I'm getting all my old squats and chaos squats out now. Great video as always 😊
3:33 the weapon in the power fist is a grenade launcher
It took me so long to find that witch hunter inquisitor with flamer that didn’t have the flame broken off the gun…. Then I snapped it off opening the package when it arrived.
If your after inspiration for painting it there was a paint off in white dwarf 292
When released the gun built into the terminator captain's power fist was a grenade launcher.
Last year I undertook a project where I put together 40k armies for the current codexes using only Rogue Trader vintage models. I managed Dark Angels, Imperial Guard, Orks, Eldar, Chaos, Tyranids and a Genestealer cult.
Also can you describe the Necron Lord you are looking for? I have several of the original version with a tall head, cape blowing to the side and holding a staff of light. All metal, no plastic parts. This predates the green rods. One is just undercoated and will probably never be painted by me. The staff of light arm is not glued on but I do have it.
It's weird watching your vids on retro models because my opinions are the exact opposite of yours. As far as I'm concerned GW only existed until 1998 when they swerved off a creative cliff and ceased producing anything of merit. I concede that a few models from mid 80s were of pretty shocking quality but surely the golden age of 40k was 1993: maximum rogue trader and the full release of second edition.
thats a very untrue statement
Pretty much agree. That's about when orcs and orks lost all their character and became muscular giants with gaunt faces.
The thing on the terminator captan is a grenade launcher, used to be an option back in the day.
Dam, was here to say it.
I’m currently putting the final touches on my 3rd tallarn squad (with 6ish more to go), and they absolutely make me look like a better painter than I am with how much the wash gets in the crevices. I also have the models for at least one squad of each guard regiment from the old metal line save the catachans.
3:53 I just remembered that the Captain in Terminator Armor that GW did for an anniversary, I think it might be a revamp of that model! That's actually amazing to think about
I love 2nd edition models! I've been building the Ultramarines 2nd Company entirely with 2nd edition models for the past year. Getting all the models to fill a full company was difficult but doable with eBay.
i think i have a load of these. i even have some with rocket launchers on there shoulders.
"Um actually"
The skull and ram horns is the codex symbol for members of a chapter librarius
In the same way apothecaries weather the 40k version of the caduceus and tech marines wear the machina opus
I love the old models. I recently added a few old Dark Eldar models to my collection. The RT marine’s face looks like the original version of Palpatine in TESB. Great video, as always!
I have some of those old genestealers mixed in with my modern ‘stealers! You’re right, they look great alongside their newer brothers.
In my 2nd Ed IG army back in the day I used different style guardsmen for every squad painting in matching colors. My concept what they were just throwing everyone together
based on the weird references you see in old GW, I guarantee that the skull with goat horns is a reference to Tim the Enchanter
I also just want them to scale up the terminators.
but we are yet to get them for whatever reason.
unless GW decides "you have aggressors, why would you want terminators?" because aggressors are stupid, thats why.
Hey Jay, what paint stripper do you use? My go-to, which may be overkill in most cases, is testors ELO. I wonder if sanding or filing some of the lacquer surfaces off of those genestealers and exposing the paint in some places would allow the ELO to get under the coat of lacquer? Might be worth while to get a hobby knife and carve out some of the deeper recesses. Idk, I'm a noob, how do you strip models? I don't have much experience stripping used models other than my own, but I got rid of a pesky krylon primer that nothing could remove until I used ELO. Anyways, I'll look to see if you already made a vid on this topic. Let us know how you end up stripping those tickle monsters!
Ps, I'm also beginning to develop the same love for OOP models. I really like the new ork kommando models, but I HAD to take advantage of a great deal on ebay for 10 OOP NIB kommandos of the previous edition to add to the 10 I already have. The (die-cast?) (resin?) models are annoying to clean up, and to paint, but I really love the backpacks and the character of the models. They look sneakier for some reason, whereas the newest kommandos look like the newest boyz but with beanie-skull caps imo. I'll eventually collect the new kommandos for collection sake and for the load-outs, but if I had the opportunity I'd snatch up another 10 oop kommandos first.
Use biostrip20 to clean up those genestealers.
I have a bit of a retro obsession at the moment. With the squats coming back I've rather keen to try and get some oop retro ones so when I start a Leagues of Votaan army, I can have one squad of veterans. I am also eager to get a praetorian IG army. I'm on the look out, again for at least 1 squad of retro Praetorians to make up a veteran squad whilst the main bulk can be the new Wargames Atlantic minis.
I have however also be looking through my old models recently because of my new interest in retro. I work in a charity shop and on very rare occasion, we've had retro models come in. Of course I've snatched up anything of interest and also whatever doesn't sell to save it fro, the scrap heap. But looking through it, I've found some nice stuff.
An old Commissar Yarrick (like 1990s yarrick)
A rogue trader inquisitor in terminator armour
Rogue trader librarian in terminator armour
A space crusade dreadnought with some other models from the same box
Old space marine scouts (possibly rogue trader)
Blood angels Captain (possibly 2nd edition)
An old metal dreadnought
I also got from work 10 metal cadians, 10 metal catachans, and I also already owned 10 metal valhallans and 10 metal steel legion. (No praetorian though 😭)
I also managed to get part of the old hero quest box. A plastic wizard, Elf, dwarf, human with some plastic skeletons. All still on the sprues.
It's so much fun seeing all these classic mode,s which look crap by todays standards but are full of their own unique charm
That weird "Ram horns" is in a Chaos lords package.
Makes them look like a "Flintstone Bowling Club Member"
WOOOGA!
WOOOGA!
I've been plotting a 2nd edition minis based Chaos Gate army, basically recreating the units available in the original game as a tabletop force.
That Librarian from memory was an epistolary (level 3) the ranks were lexicanium (level 1) codicer (level 2) epistolary and chief librarian. (Level 4) level being the number of different psychic powers they could take.
Inferno Pistols aren't hand flamers. They are pistol Melta guns and are extremely powerful. The Inquisitor was one of the highlighted models of the Witch Hunters Codex, using the Inferno Pistol, Power Stake, and Power Armor. Witch Hunters had so much fun stuff in it that was weird and wacky while being extremely powerful but limited in some way.
You’ve done a lot of Black Templar models, why not try painting that metal Terminator in the colours of the Deathwing?
Because his army is BT...?
@@CTA12356 But it would be nice to change things up every now and again. As a Raven Guard player, it gets a bit stale painting black for a long time.
The old stumpy generic space marines, I don't know why but now we have the gigantic primaris and squats are coming back...someone needs to do a homebrew Squat Marines Chapter for the pure funnies using the old SMs, given they look tiny compared to modern SM models I think it would look funny as hell and cool too 🤣
I also have almost everything GW made the from ‘87 to 92.
And ….
I finally found the OG Land raider.
Check you instagram tomorrow.
Demon hunters was the original old school, first official showing of the Grey Knights, Witch Hunters was the first official codex for Sisters of Battle. I guess I am officially an old fart now, as the black templar marine and inquisitor models are considered "retro", and I remember them coming out.
The Librarian model is wearing a necklace with a talisman. That's why it's off center. It's the motion of the models swing.
The rams horns represent mutation.
All librarians are supposed to be painted completely blue except for their chapter badge shoulder pad.
The lighting up the blade is the 'force' conduit.
So I was gifted some second hand space marines, but one was missing his left arm, another his left hand. I've seen lots of second hand Marines on Noble Knight and the like and lots of sets have a Marine or 3 missing their left arms. why is it always the left arm?
The Librarians have Horns on the Skull as there Insignia according to the Kodex Spacemarines. The Primaris Librarian has some sculpted Details on his Force Sword.
seing thoses antiquities for what they are make me feel the same. ^^
I have bought quite all the starter eldar boxes over the years and can compare the prices... ouch.
collected all the 1st metal Harlequins, here. but Inquisition is a good choice too. their models always seemed apeeling.
bought some of those 2nd hand chimera to use them as Slaanesh beasts for Battle many many years ago, and decently painted they look... always ugly. but they where cheap.
Man, that captain is lumpy. I have a lead Rogue Trader marine with a chainsword and sunglasses that looks way better. He and about 25 original plastic marines are going to become a group of Rainbow Warriors.
Woah, second edition guy? I didn't realise that 'beakies' didn't last very long (I was around for 1st, then left before 2nd, lol... so beakies is all I've known).
"back in rogue trader when space marines we're knights in shining armor"
Um, what now? What version of rogue trader are you reading?!?! Rogue trader marines were barely contained barbarians.
I have
Dark elder wytches
Demons of khorne bloodletters
Possessed chaos space marines
Original demon prince
All unpainted leftover from when I was a kid!
I had a beastmaster like that. Those beasts were UGLY. Sold the 2k army 3 years ago for a song. Loved Drazzhar and the Incubi, though
I decided to get into kill team as I never managed to paint an army, been in and out opf the hobby, got my old stuff out, have a boxed marauder minatures orc shaman on a war wyvern, 1992! Not sure what to do with it, paranoid of messin up the paint job! Not done many big minis.