All Plants, Zombies and Boosts 2024 Soft Launch | Plants vs. Zombies 3: Welcome to Zomburbia
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- Опубліковано 18 січ 2024
- This is all the content in the new PvZ3 soft launch, including plants, zombies and boosts, both new and returning! Let me know your thoughts on this soft launch in the comments below.
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pvz3, soft launch, all plants, upcoming, new content, all zombies, power ups, boosts, pigeon feeder, bowling zombie, plantern, puff shroom, sun shroom, silversword, umbrella leaf, swinging zombie, bungee zombie, lychee, landscaper, chili bean, 2024 - Ігри
Currently this game is only available in the UK, Philippines, Netherlands and Australia. So if it isn't showing up for you that may be why.
What do you think about this soft launch? I personally really want these things in the game:
- Choose your plants (even if they don't want to make it for all levels, they could just do some levels like this)
- A level selector or world map
- Get rid of the lives system or change it
- Focus more on new gameplay content like more plants and zombies and areas more than the story/garden building thing. I feel like they've sacrificed actual content in favour of making the story/garden building more expanded (who really wanted that anyway? We're playing pvz for pvz..)
I don't think any of those 3 asks are unrealistic at this stage. Although we all want even bigger changes, unfortunately, I don't think they're going to make any fundamental changes to the game at this point.
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To be honest I kinda want the boost plants to be costed sun instead of being....well "boosts" (I'm referring to chilly pepper, jalapeño and cherry bomb)
@alexanderthegreatii1341 hey atleast you dont need to waste seed slots (if they add choosable plants), and i also thinks theres no cooldown and lastly it would be harder if they cost sun i literally struggle most of the levels
I hate the zombies spawn rate 😭💅
I don’t have that many complaints, actually only one.
Delete the game
its ass
Ive played the game, i feel its biggest waknesses are the lack of plants in each level as theres no ability to choose ur plants, the game feels like its missing somthing from the gameplay to keep it engaging. I also hate how the levels feel boring for a significant amount of time in the gameplay.
The lore is what keeps it engaging. I watched Creeps' stream and (spoiler) it went in a different direction.
@@JustAnotherCommenterno one Guinness a fuck about PvZ lore, that’s not what made these games great
@@JustAnotherCommenterlore? Bro what 💀💀
@@calub_wendex1233 chill bruh, you spelled "gives" wrong too lmao
@@JustAnotherCommentershut up dude. These shitty developers are out here absolutely massacring the very thing that made millions of our childhoods memorable and nostalgic. When they made pvz2 p2w we got pissed aswell. But atleast we hoped that one day pvz3 will come and be atleast more enjoyable than ad spam fucken pvz2. But never fucking mind this game turned out to be 60% dog shit aswell. (Counting the other 40% as possible down the line updates n such regardless the base game is most definitely set in stone now and i really cant be pressured to think that they would actually overhaul the whole game in an all too meaningful way either
That means that there will most likely be dark levels soon since three of the not added plants are plants that you would see in night levels. I also do like the fact that umbrella leaf actually seems semi useful.
Night levels are in the game tho. They can be found after about 110 levels.
They didn't need to limit umbrella leaf tho
Oh ok I didn’t know that ty.
@@Unsmart_pineapllesuch an annoying nerf they did the same thing to puff shroom in pvz2
@@TheCottonCandy707 yeah but puffshrooom was too OP especially since it wouldn't sleep in those games. But umbrella leaf? The puffshroom nerf still wasn't need due to zombies getting way stronger
this game, after years of development, introduces 5 new things, wow
What were the 5 new things? The boosts?
1:40 no uppercut
There sometimes is a cool uppercut, with a green flame, must have been a glitch
absolute sin
4:49 here's the Uppercut
Hypercut 9:32
The reality is that no matter what they do to this game in an attempt to fix it, all of it will be in vain if we can’t choose our plants
I think balance would be the key. Like 70% choose your seeds/30% pre chosen or something. Some levels difficulty are designed for using concrete plants
@@catarinalunar i think 10% is better
If they add more plants mabye we can pick the game, again this is just a soft lunch
@@superterron7386 meaning of soft launch: the release of a new product or service to a restricted audience or market in advance of a full launch.
So this game is basically the complete product. Also being able to choose your plants wouldnt fix the game entirely. It would be still way before pvz1 with the content
Thanks for showing off how darn barebones this project really is. 150 levels and a plant count that you can count on your fingers. That's a little disingenuous since the levels are so short but man... PvZ1 was a small game and this is considerably smaller. It also is yet to introduce a single unique plant or zombie.
Dont worry man, there’s time. It’ll add more
@@8bitpokie826 I wouldn't trust it, though it is nice that the pvz3 team is definitely better than the modern pvz2 team. Pvz2 mods will still be the main source of interesting pvz stuff rn.
@@8bitpokie826i don't trust the process because the team at popcap is probably a lot smaller now, hence why it is so barebones right now. but when people think they'd would continue with pvz3.1, these people were proven wrong. i'd love to be proven wrong in this respect too
And they actually REMOVED 2 plants
PvZ2 wasn’t very big when it launched. After several updates look at it now? (I’m hoping they update PvZ3 a bunch of times and fix most of the problems)
Also, I could be wrong but isn’t bamboo shoot new? I know there’s a GW potted bamboo shoot but this one looks different and behaves differently
Pvz: cool designs
Pvz2: even cooler designs
Pvz3: WHAT IS THIS
i strongly disagree i think the design is the only good thing about this game
@@Christianbor4 ok I'm not sure how ur a human and think pvz3 designs are cool
WHY IS EVERYTHING FLIPPED 30⁰😭
@@Christianbor4 bro, almost all the plants turned into babies
@@starkgames456 and what's your issue with that? love the animations too
BRO la gente no tiene tu misma opinion sabes?
Things I like:
-The water area and Gimmick, (I honestly want more worlds with such a gimmick)
-Multiple plants (like Squash)
in one level so you have multiple cooldowns[This vould still be implemented with choose your plants however]
-Wallnut being more useful
-The sun system
-Lawn mower
-The Artstyle, and also the Home town where you build your stuff (but I think other people dont really like that)
-Music
- some of the new Zombies (Pidgeon Holder for Example)
Things I want them to change:
-Remove the lives, be able to replay levels
- Choose your own plants
-Make the earlier levels longer and less tutorial like
- Im not sure abt the boosts since I woyld actually never use them because it feels like cheating to me
-Add more plant and Zombie variety, you van go like 10 levels in a row without anything new being inttoduced
-GoW doesnt even have time to activate in some short levels, and most of the time it activates when you dont need it
- Make the Gargantuar less off centered and look lesss weird
-Make the Squash have a bigger impact, it look slike a falling pillow when jumping
-Umbrella always shows full petals on block animation, even if it doesnt have any left
-Add Bungee Zombie back
-Remove the timed Zombie waves
- Making Vase breaker better
- If they want to keep is as a Puzzle Game then just Rename it "PvZ Welcome to Zomburbia" (Should be treated as a spinoff rather than a main series game
Я не думаю, что они уже будут что либо менять. Только добавят новые растения и всё
Having too few plants is also a problem. It's pitifully sparse in terms of plants in level 150 now. Moreover, it's said that the save data from this test will carry over to the official version, meaning in the official version, at least in level 150, you'll only have access to these limited plants
Looking at the Gargantuar is so frustrating... it's like directly in the border of the two tiles
I really do hope that this game improves, but it's hard to be hopeful for it honestly.
I don't even mind the artstyle, I actually kind of like it, but there's just not much else that I like about it. I guess it's still an improvement from previous versions of PvZ3.
From the gameplay, it just looks too similar to the first game in how it's played.
Idk it is an odd one
This game has little to no personality/soul
It’s soft launch so there might be more to come (there won’t)
I think this game has the potential to be very good. It just needs more plants, and it also needs the selection of plants, but overall, it's pretty good. I don't really hate this game since it's newly launched, so there's more time to improve.
isnt this like the third time they rereleased the game
@@someguy8879Yes. And I have no idea how they haven’t improved it yet.
But But...Mo Is Killing Children Plant And Made Gore-Den 🤧
@someguy8879i mean, it's not the final release, but every other beta hasn't changed it much
@@MichoElBichoThe very first one was completly different where it included the "Taco upgrade" and Also Synergy sistem
I fully agree with y’all: the game doesn’t look great. But I do genuinely enjoy the concepts of the Bowling and Pigeon Feeder zombie. I wish the Bowling zombie would have more proper bowling physics, like in the PVZ1 minigame/PVZ2’s Bowling Bulb. Maybe it loses power after its first hit, and each consecutive one, to keep it from demolishing your whole line. But I think that would encourage creative setups and bringing Umbrella Leaf as a more effective counter. But hey, two decently interesting zombie concepts isn’t that bad with how long we’ve been waiting and all the other changes they’ve made, right? /s
Pigeon feeder is basically chicken/weasel zombie but those pigeons will keep coming back until the zombie dies. It's kinda unique, and lightning reed is pretty useful for that situation.
but you dont get to have lightning reed all the time
12 normal plants and 8 zombie types
Spread across more than 100 levels
To be fair there are some fun gimmicks ... But yeah, that's all. It's a kind-of pvz version of candy crush
This game sucks
@@catarinalunarNot to mention this franchise might getting its own Candy Crush like game sooner.
Unless it got cancelled.
It's honestly a really weird play to turn the instant into boosts, but considering they were definitely the strongest in PvZ2, we'll just see if it works out.
I love how the first original Zombie takes 41 levels to show up, really helps keep the levels fresh and engaging
Honestly, I think PVZ3’s overall plant selection is….ok, at best. The big problem obviously is that it’s just way too small, and we only have TWO new plants so far. I’m pretty sure people would take new plants instead of bringing Plantern and Umbrella Leaf back after all. Besides, the original version had a shit ton of new plants, so whose to say this game won’t have a ton soon either? As for some returning plants I want back, Potato Mine is a must have for PVZ3. Considering Squash can be used in normal levels, it’s easy to see Potato Mine returning full time, and not just being relegated to a power up like Cherry Bomb and Jalapeño, who at least make sense as power ups given their immediate use. Other plants I want to see return include
- Scaredy Shroom
- Doom Shroom (as a power up)
- Kernel and Melon Pult
- Fume Shroom
- Twin Sunflower
- Bloomerang
- Maybe some plants from PVZ Heroes (I think the original PVZ3 had some)
- Guacodile
- Phat Beet
- Cactus (just so we can reunite the OG Garden Warfare crew)
- And a lot of others
I like the new style so far, just hope there's not an ad AFTER EVERY LEVEL LIKE PVZ2
since when did pvz2 have an ad after every level?
@@Zcoolestgamingsince about 2022
No ads between levels is one of the best changes they made (although that's not really saying much...)
I never get those ads between levels tho
@@Zcoolestgaming if you've bought something at any point that disables ads forever
I think my biggest problem is there is a big lack in variety.
Out of the plants that we’ve seen including the ones in the files, not ONE of them is a new plant. They’ve all been in a previous game one way or another. This also applies to the zombies for the most part having only 2 new original zombies.
I actually really like the plants' designs. Sunflower looks so cheerful and animated.
The peashooter killing zombies in 14 hits instead of the normal 10 is a deadly sin
7:22 Thats actually a very neat animation, hope I would see more of those, huh.
The new gardenscapes looks sick 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
PvZ1 - 50 levels, 40 plants unlocked
PvZ2 - 312 levels, 69 plants unlocked (nice)
PVZ3 - 150 levels, 12 plants...and you can't even choose which ones you want.
Are you JOKING KIDDING ME, POPCAP?! The entire genre of PvZ - a strategy game - is about carefully considering the zombies, gimmicks and objectives, then building a strategy to beat the horde! ESPECIALLY when you're facing a later Reflourished level, an AltVerZ EX level, or even beating the veteran quests without premiums or leveling!
By giving us so little plants to work with, you're not only robbing us of the joy of playing around with a new toy, mixing and matching decks for that plant, but also the satisfaction of beating an extra-hard wave YOUR WAY. Hell, there's not even an ALMANAC to look at exact stats or funny little flavor text!
This ISN'T Plants vs. Zombies. This is a glorified tutorial for a game we'll likely never see. It's honestly pretty sad that we finally see what appears to be the franchise's true downfall. Not at PvZ2 like some believed, but at PvZ3. We need some miracles if the franchise can recover, and now more than ever, we need them, for the sake of Bananasaurus Rex.
TL ; DR pls
~8 years to work on this btw.
(Pvz 2 essentially ended when modern day came out.)
Pvz 1: the start of everything
Pvz 2: new plants, new zombies and new maps
Pvz 3: zombies with hair
I love the return of pigeon feeder and lightning reed. Gives me hope that other characters from the original pvz3 will make a return. I would love to see the Shakespeare and jackhammer zombies make a return. I would also like to see gameplay mechanics like the team selection and over world map from the 2020 version make a return. I can’t wait till this comes out😁
God a peashooter needs to shoot 14 times to kill a basic instead of 10... It just not felt right.
I think the firerate got a buff so thats why
The game's artstyle is very charming, but onced you've gotten the urge to play the game for like 1hr, you'll realize quickly that it's far from a good game..
Despite all the issues with pvz 3, I like the fact they at least nailed to gave more personality to all characters even plants
3:09 Yo WHAT?! They added Umbrella Leaf in this game but won't add it to PVZ2?! Where it's most USEFUL?! What are they thinking?!
I don't think that Umbrella Leaf is really useful in PVZ2
Like, for pirates or treasure hunters, but we already had Draftodil.
لم يضيفوها لسبب رئيسي ومهم وهو لانك لن تحتاجها في pvz2
@@Magne_Sium Counterpoint, Octopus Zombie.
7:36 imp has fun eating animation 😂😂😂
It takes 14 peas to defeat a basic. For reference, it took 10 shots in 1 and 2
Fun fact: Lighting Reed, Chomper, and Puff Shroom were in one of the oldest versions of Pvz3 (I think that version looked the best with the 3D models)
Speaking of, Sun Shroom was scrapped in said version
I think that most of the plants and zombies look alright but the garg looks so terrible like he is mostly skinny for no reason and he looks like he's standing in between lanes rather than just being in one lane. It just doesn't look like a garg compared to the first two games.
1:22 look how they massacred my boy 😢
I don’t hate this game, but I wish that you could choose your own plants, and they would improve some of the animations (like the eating animation for the zombies)
They made snow pea cheaper, THEN HALFED HIS DAMAGE TO WHERE HE'S LESS EFFECTIVE THAN PEASHOOTER
They looked at Reseeded, decided "oh damn thats a great idea!" And nerfed my boi ;-;
Not really, he costs the same as peashooter. If the damage remained the same, it would be equivalent to 175 sun in pvz1, which is worth 7 sun in pvz3 (since every sun is worth 25 sun).
@@JustAnotherCommenter that doesn't make a lick of sense.
With the reduced damage, even with the zombie slowed, they end up making it farther than with a peashooter.
if the damage wasn't nerfed it would be a direct upgrade from the previous games with the sun cost being lowered
@@scribbleslol1566 hmm, weird how that works. they should've made the slowness more effective then.
@@JustAnotherCommenter I think they should let people choose their seed packets
(But for the conversation, they should restore his damage to... this games pea damage)
Cabbage Pult might be the first I actually liked this artstyle over PvZ 2
Edit: PvZ 3 Puff-Shroom is adorable
They should make when you try to drag and drop the seedpack they shouw you the range of the attack and the fighting type.. Could be melee, magic, projectile or piercing type or support like sunflower..
Looks like 2000s rayman quality
I remember playing the beta until the end of the stage, but now since its finally released i can finally have full gameplay
Feels like a fangame thats in beta and assuming its already enough as it is
Many of the design looked weird. The sunflower is cute though. But BIG improvement from the last version.
I think bonk choy looks terrible, it doesn't even fit in with the other plants' art styles!
It’s not that bad combared to squash
I like both of them
I would love it if they made it like a FB PvZ Adventure Style
i think buckets and cones are more of armor since there are 2 types of zombies (one of which has hair and seems like they are tougher), both of em can use cones and buckets and of that can use duckytubes
2×3×2=12
wow that's a lot of variants for a zombie
That aint peashooter thats PissShooter
The design isn’t so bad, sometimes the gameplay gets boring as you progress through later levels
4:47 Bro wth is this 😭💀
I think if this was not pvz3 but its own thing like pvz hero, ppl wouldnt hate it that much
So what was the point of the trailer clip from the last version of the beta? Chomper and the lychee plant weren’t added, along with bungee and landscaper zombie.
This game has a lot of potencial, l think that the main problem is taking pvz's essence (selecting plants for example, which makes the game more versatile and fun)
But there's some great ideas in this game and the fact that they're bringing plants from the first game that they couldn't give a use in the second game makes it more exciting
I like how they made umbrella leaf work, but the game still has alot of flaws. Also I'm in Australia but Idk where to get the game (I'm guessing the device I tried is too old to even get the game or something so I'll try a different device.)
It's nice to see Plantern return to a new game, I have hopes they will make him useful
I think one of the most interesting observations is that snow pea and peashooter cost the exact same, meaning snow pea is a straight upgrade in all scenarios (assumedly) than peashooter. They can get away with not balancing the plants around eachother, because you will never have to choose between peashooter and snow pea since you literally cannot choose. That, combined with the necessity of powers that cost coins shows that they really do not care about the actual quality of the game, and rather that they push out a new PVZ games I want to believe they’ll change the game and fix it to be more like fans want, but I cannot fathom them ever believing fans would want this. Hell even the 1 sun system is insane considering the outrage caused by tomb tangler costing 40 made them change it to cost 50, I don’t understand why they would then make a change that clearly nobody wants. This game is such a strange strange case
Hot take: i actually like the ice jalapeno, jalapeno and cherry bomb being power ups, cuz pvz2 and even pvz1 actually were way easy to play with just insta plants spam
3:50 it’s my favourite boy chomper
I kinda like the garden scapes part of the game 💀
I know its what people despise the most but its somehow not as bad as i thought it would be.
I mean yeah its juet choosing between 3 jpegs but the designs have some neat details and the art style just looks so adorable-
Is this even any different than the last Soft-Launch?
There are now 150+ levels, the story/garden building thing is a lot more fleshed out and there is some (not much) new content gameplay-wise.
@@koalapvz someone at Popcop really wanted to get their PvZ fanfic out to the public
@@thegoldenstation9723 i like to think that the gamedev budget went down, but not the creative team's budget. i actually like that they introduced a story and the new art style, but the approach to doing the story ala gardenscapes is just 🤢
They removed how Quash does a cannonball jump on water now he just stays on top of it and tangle kelp, it usually 'tangles'the zombie and drag them underwater
Peashooters peas sound like basketballs when they hit the zombies
Popcap knew what they were doing with the launch to just be released on those few countries
I know for a fact that atleast half of those countries has the biggest gardenscape playerbase
No wonder it was able to get top 1 in a category in appstore at some point
This art style does indeed get the attention of some candy crush player
Out of every possible Plants they could've chose from the first 2 games and even spin offs to add to this already very limited pool, they chose... umbrella leaf, the single most forgettable and useless (in this game) plant after Gold Magnet.
At least they gave it durability so you have to keep using the seed packet
It's looks like
some 5y old kid's sketch book
Para quien mas crees que esta dirigido el juego? Para lo viejos?😂
@@captainpointless3848The only thing they did was make them more cartoonish.
@@captainpointless3848su base principal? Si quiera sabes que hablas bro? La base principal del pvz 1 incluso en su clasificación de edad es para un público juvenil no para viejos que buscan un diseño mas subrealista como el gw o el gw2 que OJO NO SON LA BASE PRINCIPAL SINO EL PVZ1 asi que eso de alejarse de sus bases que dijiste esta muy errado xD
I know many people will disagree, but I think the artstyle looks genuinely worse than the original pvz. It has lost all charm it once had and is over-animated.
No matter what you tell me, this game isn’t pvz3. It’s a spin off and you can’t change my mind
Squash looks like Stan Smith from American Dad
Oh boy.
Without using any boosts (except the times when we're forced to use one), I have progressed to level 116 without much difficulty. However, level 116 is so hard and it seems impossible to beat without using boosts
How is there less plants in this game than the first game after a year of it being in beta ..................
It is still in beta version
What I’m really curious about is how sun shroom works. Also, gargantuar skips leg day
It look fun ngl i cant wait!😊
more than 100+ levels I think this is gonna be the next Candy Saga
I am on level 119 and somehow survived the night levels... I was raging because they didn't give me time to plant at least 5 sunflowers... and they keep spawning imps and zombies too early... 🤧 and sometimes the picked plants are just expensive like Bamboo Shoots and/or Lightning Reed... and the levels are too fast as well as the waves/flags like I'm always low on sun... but 3/5 stars. It's okay. It just needs some adjustments
those plants atleast half of them were in the old beta from last year thats why they are their
Did they really made snow pea cost the same as peashoter?
It has half the dmg
I haven’t played the game, but just from what I’ve seen, I actually don’t hate it in concept. It looks like it’s supposed to be a candy crush like game with a ton of short levels but with PvZ gameplay, which is a cool idea. I actually like the idea of not choosing your plants in theory (so you can’t just spam the strongest plants in every level ala PvZ 2), though maybe they should have levels where you can, and I think some of these plants (umbrella leaf, tangle kelp, and lightning reed in particular) actually look like they may have a pretty cool role in the game. I hope popcap listens to what the playtesters are saying to balance/flesh out the game more and actually give it some soul (some of these designs look terrible), but I also kinda hope they stick with some of the more unique ideas compared to 1 and 2, and just make them actually good.
i fear for when premium plants come from pvz2 to pvz3 due to the fact a lot of them were built around the 50 sun meta.
How are pvz3 supposed to add premium plants when you can’t choose ur own plants🫠
@@scphj7745 WAIT YOU CANT WHAT THE FUCK
@@scphj7745 oh
The art style is so cute :)
7:35 , i for some reason think hes supposed to be paul valter zombie, maybe is him really reworked, or maybe his son? Idk, they look so similar to me
Possibly a weird request, but i would love a similar video for iRule
I don't like the fact that we can't play a level that we like multiple times 😢.
I really like the newer water levels, but they ware so short.
Chomper has the best design
3:55 chomper is already in pvz 3
ok im a bit confused. can you pick your own plants in this game or are you forced to use a preset loadout for every level
You can't pick your own plants, yes you are forced to use a preset loadout
@@koalapvz crazy
Something That Makes Me Mad Is The Fact That Every Sun Only Counts As 1 It Kinda Makes Since, But Still, I Think It Should Be How It Is In The First 2 Games
PvZ 1: look at this new zombie. Strange guy, isn’t it. And its almanac entry is entirely blank. You did get that new plant last level though, maybe use it to counter it!
PvZ 2: Dave: [Crazy nonsense about a new zombie]
Penny: that would be [zombie name], thankfully we have [plant name] to counter it
Dave: well alright then [some Dave nonsense]
PvZ 3: here’s a tutorial on the Peashooter, and here’s for Sunflower, and Imp, and Gargs, and Cherry Bombs, and- what do you mean you don’t like tutorials every other level?
I wish the plants did a tad more damage as i think most of them are pitifully weak. I think removing plant food was a great idea. I wish peashooters costed one less so that starts would be a tad easier on later levels. Bamboo shoot definitely needs buffing as i feel he is the worst overall. Overall i dont hate this game and it definitely has the potential to become something amazing. EA just needs to put some more time in it. I really hope this game doesnt turn into bfn where they drop support fast.
They should add a sunflower plant where it kills zombies
Boy oh boy, this sure is Plants vs. Zombies 3: Welcome to Zomburbia
I want to like this game so badly, and I for some parts, I do! But it really feels like Popcap doesn’t care anymore. They’ve listened to literally none of our feedback- This may as well just be the last version of PvZ3 with 100 more levels! It’s so frustrating to be a fan of this franchise, yet we stay.
I hope that this series gets some love soon. It desperately needs it.
I love the game, just not the lack of picking plants and the weird difficulty scaling (also the power ups and everything is a bit weird but even that can slide)
At least the sunflowers are adorable 🥺
I think umbrella plant needs a smoother animation ngl
This game may be really really bad but PLANTERN IS BACK LETS FUCKING GO
Hey for your pea only challenge is peanut off limits?
I think you cant select plants because its a new release so they will probably take some time
Honestly this gameplay looks good, and if we get rid of the overworld and expand the gameplay then this game is perfect.
welcome again, umbrella leaf
Since I hate pretty much every single aspect of this game, I'm better off just listing the things I like:
-The variety in lawns, switching up gimmicks from level to level, instead of playing en entire world with the same lawn gimmick.
-Sunflower's animations
I wanted to place 3 items on the list, but I was already scraping the bottom of the barrel with Sunflower's animation
Pre Alpha best one