Portugal Immigration Process is Horrible and Getting Worse!
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A deep breath is needed now and again when working through the immigration process in Portugal.
That's Portugal. It's full of incompetence. They have a lot of requirements for Americans, but not for other nationalities. They are right to do a background check, but they don't do it for Brazilians or other nationalities. Portugal has done everything to attract foreigners, but then do very little to keep them.
Let's be honest. Most folks just want that easy European passport or, as some people put it- a strong passport. They are going to make you work for it, but you might not get it after 5 years.
The Portuguese are very traditional and very proud. They don't like to be criticized, and they don't like to self criticize. Also, the new government will more than likely change the rules. Kind of a bait and switch kind of thing.
Boa sorte!
Great comments.
About AIMA/SEF: "Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber, you go and do something like this... and totally redeem yourself!"
It's impacting everyone seeking a move to Portugal, and I do not think they have any solution or a plan in place to alleviate the situation.
@@traveltidbitsrus it's not rocket science, they can plan a good solution within hours if they wanted to. It's just a mess and they don't care.. No wonder why Portugal lacks so much compared to the rest of EU.
It has gotten so much worse. We renew our residence permits in August. They have turned off the online renewal from what I am told. They also lack any IRN appointments in the country. We will travel abroad for the summer, so we are OK waiting out the process in Portugal for our renewals starting in late August. We will give them nine months and if we don't get our renewed residence permits, we will head back to the US.
I sure hope they get things in order. It was spiraling down before the pandemic, and it has just gotten worse. So many want to be here, but, the government is not making it easy.
These clowns are almost 2 years behind on my visa application. The law states they must respond within 3 months, and they have defaulted on this law, currently been waiting 21 months.
Sorry to hear this. There are thousands of people like yourself in this same situation. It's unacceptable, but I don't the government is going to to anything to help. Which, says a lot about the government.
Well, Chega has been a bigger issue concerning immigration on top of the abolishment of the NHR.
I've spoken to people in Italy and Greece, and they feel the politics in their country is similar in some respects. Chega has gained strength and it will be interesting to see how the politics plays out here in the years to come.
@@traveltidbitsrus people are being fooled by CHEGA's fearmongering, Portugal went through an enormous revival under the socialist party and immigrants filled the empty spaces left by the Portuguese who left to other EU countries. I have a personal opinion about what's driving such worldwide right extremism, oh well.... it's a shame that politics have gone mad in all the countries I have ties to... sad!
@@ASouFa I have to agree. Politics has gone overboard everywhere.
Great video. Ae you seeing these delays for the residence permits through the Golden visa route too? Was thinking about applying shortly given that application wait times are now included in the citizenship timeline.
Even longer for GV! When we moved in 2019, and Lisbon/Porto/Algarve were still on the table for real estate GV, hundreds of people were waiting over 2 years to get their applications approved. Many third party companies and attorneys made a lot of money promising fast turnarounds on GV"s, and when it did not happen, "oops, sorry, nothing we can do."But they still kept the money. I went to an AIMA location on Tuesday, and right now you may not get an appointment until near the end of the year or early 2025 at this point. The country has no plan in place to resolve this issue, so it's only going to get worse, until people decide Portugal is not for them.
@@traveltidbitsrus Yikes. That's very helpful feedback. So one can then reasonably expect 2-3 years of the 5 year citizenship qualification period to be spent just waiting for the residence card to arrive. Crazy.
Any ideas what is the expected time for the passport to be issued, once one has applied for it (after completing the 5 year residency + language test). Wonder if that's relatively quick?
@@FrozenSkyy You can expect 7-8 years total in order to get citizenship, and that comes from our Portuguese immigration attorney, who has dealt with over 20 years of applications. I would not go the Golden Visa route as it does not cut down on time.
@@traveltidbitsrus I understand, thank you.
The only reason the GV route is attractive for me is that I don't need to become Portugal tax resident for it, and still qualify for citizenship in 6-7 years. With all other routes I need to build a full time life in Portugal, which I'm unable to do due to my current work, lifestyle and travels.
From what I gather though, basically any route will take 7-8 years for citizenship, so one has to be mentally prepared for that before diving in.
@@FrozenSkyy The citizenship process and subsequent time to get a passport now takes two-years on average.
I have heard that some attorneys are ripping people off, so do you have an attorney to recommend?
Some attorneys have taken advantage of clients over the years. Our attorney has been great, Filipa - filipafigueiredo@law-yours.pt
when trying to get your stage 2 appt (to obtain your residency card)...how does getting an attorney helps and expedite in getting an appt? wouldn't they be doing the same thing as you which is call and email? thanks.
Great question. In most countries (unlike the US), people have to set an appointment on their own. So, if coming from the US, you have the appointment scheduled, and provided there are no issues, there is no need at all to get an attorney. But, thousands of appointments get delayed or canceled, and that is where an attorney comes in. A couple from Sacramento are in town, had their appointment for 4pm two weeks ago. Due to delays, they closed the office even though over 20 people were scheduled for their appointment on that given day. They had to reschedule, and November was their earliest time to get another appointment. They contacted an attorney, and they were able to get an appointment scheduled for July, in the Azores. I made the statement knowing only a small fraction of people from the US come to Portugal, and 99% of the people immigrating here, are from countries that do not pre-schedule appointments. If you are coming the US, disregard my comment on an attorney, unless your appointment gets canceled or delayed.
It's not surprising to me that expats are going through delays. The nationality ( atribuicao ) process for children and grandchildren of Portuguese is taking years.
It sounds like all visas, and all people regardless of home country, are experiencing huge delays.
@@traveltidbitsrus I believe they are still experiencing the same problems they went through during the pandemic, still short on people and facing an ever growing number of applications, from all sides. It's worth the wait though.
@@ASouFa I've talked to maybe a dozen AIMA Reps across Portugal. I feel so bad for them because they are getting the venom thrown their way, which is meant for their bosses. They are just trying to do the best they can.
About how much would an attorney cost on a per month and per case basis?
Varies greatly. Things seem to be on a case by case basis. It could be 1,200-5,000 euros, depending the complexity. Meaning, one visa for one person, or, reunification visa for spouse/kids, etc.
Are you applying for citizenship? You’re eligible with five years in already.
Sadly, our work contracts are not getting renewed, so we will be moving back to the States. Otherwise, yes, we already passed the language test and were hoping to get citizenship before this curve ball from work.
@@traveltidbitsrusthat’s too bad. Since you came in 2019. However, if your visa was issued much earlier than the card , the date that counts for citizenship is the one on the visa. Since you still have a valid residency card permit and are allowed to be outside Portugal you can count that time as well.
@@Mr.S65 Agreed. The primary issue is we were so fortunate to get to stay in Portugal for as long as we did! It has been an exceptional experience. Not sure we will pursue citizenship as we are still 10 years from retiring and have no idea where we will end up. How politics plays out in Portugal and other countries will help determine that in time.
@@traveltidbitsrusI understand. Did you know you can apply for citizenship and not stay in country? You don’t even need to renew your residency permit. Can come and go under the 90/180 rule within Portugal and the rest of the Schengen. That takes away the burden of permanency in Portugal particularly if you have to work in the U.S. You can also file for citizenship at a consulate of Portugal in the U.S. I’m not sure of anything either hence I sold my house in Boston but kept my apartment. Had I sold it too I couldn’t buy it back as prices have soared nonstop in Massachusetts.
@@Mr.S65 We have talked about moving forward with the citizenship while back home. We are just not sure if we will be committed to Portugal when we retire, or, if we still get citizenship, but move elsewhere when retirement hits. We would prefer to retire outside the US if it makes sense. Honestly, we found out about our situation 3 days ago, so it is all still fresh, and we are working through details. Frustrated about having to leave, but, we can always come back