Can a 350 compete at an AMA 450 National?
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
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In This Week in MXA, episode 180, presented by O’Neal, Motocross Action Magazine’s Josh Mosiman lines up for the 450 class the 2024 Fox Raceway National on our 2024 KTM 350SXF test bike. This video documents the highs and lows of racing a National and talks about the work that went into building this race bike. The 350SXF is equipped with Maxxis MX-SI tires, RedLine Oils, ProTaper handlebars, grips, throttle tube and sprocket, D.I.D’s ERT3 chain, RoostMX graphics, Nitromousse and Acerbis skid plate, frame guards and Raptor 2 front number plate. The Josh & Josh show (Mosiman and Fout) take on Hangtown next, this weekend on the KTM 450SXF Factory Edition.
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Your not a full time racer and you qualified for a National on a 350! No reason for embarrassment.
That's impressive. It really is
I really appreciate it!
Jett could beat 450s on a 250
@@EarthSurferUSAYou’re so overdue on starting your mag man. Wish you’d get off your ***
@@EarthSurferUSAWhat in the f did you put your comment in this thread for? Maybe you have a hard time following a topic, and it must’ve happened back in the good ole days. Probably why you have the mag issues. Good news is you can hire me to be your full time internet guide and I can help you post in appropriate places to avoid the embarrassment you face.
Fantastic effort Josh! To qualify and finish both races - without crashing - is no small thing, especially while you hold down a full time job, a no-doubt busy one a that. Colour me impressed!
I noticed in that start you stayed with Anderson 350/ 450 in qualifying 😊
Tony Cairoli won a world championship on a 350
multiple..
... a few years ago and switches to the 450 2015! Yes!
more than one
It’s was a 400.
@@jonphotos8631 the yamaha was but the ktm was a 350
Nice work Josh! You finished all 3 Moto races you were in, that is pretty awesome considering you don’t ride at race mode constantly! Great video!
Probably not one of the best tracks for 350 , heck of a job 👏 tks Mxa and Josh
I was rooting for you!!!!! Great job Josh!!!! Great Story
@@EarthSurferUSAyou seem a bit of a glass half empty kinda guy
That was really cool, just qualifying on a 350 against the best racers in the world shows the bike skills you have Josh, can’t wait for Hangtown this weekend ❤🙏🏁
Josh really is the man !
I understand: you always compare yourself with your best results, but those were also results as a full-time racer! I personally was extremely impressed by the performance on the 350 with the preparation you had !
Especially since you certainly weren't training 24/7 during the preparation period because you also had another job.
I hope we see another video like this 👍
Nice race bike you have there... I'm stoked for you that KTM and all of your sponsors hooked you up. Red Line sponsored my brother throughout our MX career and it's hands down the best oils and fluids! Gratz on making the main. 👍
Good job. I think you actually answered a lot of questions people have been wondering about. Great effort for not having a lot of time training
Qualified for a Pro National on a 350 when you don’t race full time.
Awesome work man!
@@EarthSurferUSAFeel better getting that negativity off your chest?
Very cool you are qualifying. If I were to go back in time when I raced my second career in 25+ and senior classes the 350 would be perfect. Extra power without the extra weight. Thanks and good luck next week!
Pretty impressive bro, see you at Hangtown!
see you there!
Pretty damn cool that you do stuff like this. Thanks for the video josh! Youre the man.
I appreciate it! Definitely the cool part of the job. Thanks for watching!
Congratulations Josh. Awesome Job 👍🏻
It's mind boggling how fast those guy's are in front considering josh is a weapon on a bike himself...
Tony Cairoli won a MX GP Championship on a 350 ..... So it's absolutely possible
I mean the mxgp factory bikes are significantly different than a AMA privateer 350. I understand your point though, would love to see Jett on a 350 and see how he do at a National. No disrespect to Josh or bike builders, awesome video and report.
@@hunterdelgado2402 He'd win, no question.
@hunterdelgado2402
that was obviously against "factory" 450s.
so theres that.
I think it would’ve been better on a track that wasn’t so high speed but regardless it was impressive watching qualify on 350!
A track with a harder base would help, I rode better on it at Glen Helen at the Stop Watch National race two weeks ago. Of course that's my home track, but I beat a lot of guys at GH who beat me by a long way at Pala
nice to see my 2 fav moto youtubers lined up next to each other you and jeff walker
Jeff is awesome!
I know this feeling all too well. I refuse to give up my 2002 RM 125 (stroked out to a 144), and trying to beat these 250Fs is a chore, to say the least.
stroked?
nice👍
Interested to know if it was truly stroked to 144 and not bored out like the conventional method, what crank/throw was used to gain the extra or was it completely custom made?👌🏼👌🏼
@@ryanhooper221My 99 RM161 was bored and stroked with an Eric Gorr kit. I think the bore only option at the time was around 144.
This is high quality motocross content.
Trick bike! Great to see a 350 out there I’d like to see you keep riding it or do one moto 350 the next 450 I’d imagine the results would be near the same
Dude. You’re running with the BIG DOGS! Nice!
2007 MXON - RV whooped the whole 450 class on a KX250F (he went 1-1). Yes, 350s can absolutely be competitive, what they lose in grunt they gain in handling.
One name Mike Alessi!! He was just bombarded with injuries, he made it work!
ANYONE that can qualify for a Pro National is a badass!
You did great.
Such a good idea! Thanks for doing it.
😄ya… maybe a 350 2 stroke, but probably not happening giving up that 100 cc power advantage on a 350 4 stroke. In fact that’s what they need to do to give 2 strokes a chance against the modern 450s. A 450 4 stroke vs a 250 2 stroke is not a fair fight. I think increasing that displacement from 250 to 350 would even thinks up a lot. Who agrees?
You can only go as fast as your ability. How did Ricky beat everyone while still on a two stroke 250? James did it on a 125 while everyone was on 250s. These guys didn’t just beat the best riders in the world, they beat them bad.
I finish the same position on my 125/250f/250 two stroke.
@@HWG-wm8ldThis is true. But Ricky & James were exceptions and prodigies, and don’t represent most riders. They are truly outliers in the sport of MX. That broad power curve, torque, horsepower advantage that the 4 stroke riders enjoy is too much for most riders to overcome. Plus companies poured all the tech into the 4 strokes. It makes it way easier to go fast on a 4 stroke bike and requires less skill. It’s only the very latest generation of Austrian 2 strokes that have given them the fuel injection, launch control, traction control, & MAP settings that the 4 strokes have had for a while now. The 2 strokes stayed carbureted and primitive. It made jumping onto a 4 stroke the easy & obvious choice
Great job Josh!!
Great work, Josh! Not too shabby for a full time media guy/test rider on the underdog machine!
And hey, I’m pretty sure you beat Dean Wilson off the start both Moto and he was on a 450. 😂😂
@@EarthSurferUSA relax, it was said as a joke, meant to be funny.
@@RobNaughton54I see a lot of negative comments from him in this thread. I hope he goes somewhere else next week
The 350 motor concept is very praktikal im my Opinion .
U get the tourge and the rew`s and the horsepower. While basigly placeing it on a 250 bottom end. With less Rotation mass to Steuer arond corners.
Great job I know there is talk going to 350. You did great lasting 30 minutes blows my mind. Great video really like the 350 thinking I need one.
If the 250 lap times are "similar" to the 450s (like in supercross) I don't see why not. (Perhaps it depends on the track also).
yeah itll compete, but the 450's will beat it in every part of the acceleration
These are by far my favorite videos! Nice job man keep it up
Awesome ride bro keep the vids comin ! 🇦🇺
Sorry to say it Josh, but you’re starting to suffer from the same thing most of us old Pro’s suffer from, and that’s just you’re not as young and fast as you used to be. 😂
although I don’t currently have one, the 350 is my go to bike and is my favorite all everything bike. So I was curious to see how it worked out for you. I happen to be there (displaying my Rick Hemmi, Bruce Bunch and Kyle Fleming RM80’s with the Legends And Heroes guys ) and got to watch you live running in fourth in the LCQ and I was pulling for you, saying get in there Josh you don’t have a story if you don’t make the show or makes the 350 look bad. Anyway, stoked to see you made it in and enjoy these videos, good luck and Hangtown.
The bike looks great!
Good job! Bueno Suerte Senor! 🤠
All of my Doctor and Dentist visits are done in the back of a Trailer that smells like VP race gas too. Glad I'm not alone Josh
Fox raceway Levi's 250 qualifying time would have put him 6th in 450 class. A couple seconds off 2nd and 3rd. So I can't imagine why a 350 couldn't compete very well
I agree. I think with the right rider it would do better. I thought it would be good for the same reason, but it was tough! The real test comes this weekend if I can do any better on a 450
@joshmosiman1955 good luck man. You got this. Hangtown is close to me, so I'll be there
First and foremost, Josh is not a full time Racer and don't work out every day and train , like Levi
@shawnhorne9296 firstmost...the title isn't can J Mo compete on a 350 in a national. It's can a 350...meaning pick a rider.
Btw...you seen him race a 2 stroke...dude kills it full time racer or not
Do a few more on the 350 for a fair assessment. If you have proper diet and rest ect on the 450 but not the 350 it’s not a great gauge..
I really enjoyed this 350 trial because it’s something different. I hope at some stage you give it another go Josh. Maybe try it on a track that is not so deep that might give the 350 a bit more of a chance
Great riding. Great idea. Great Fun.. Onward with the 4fitty ✊✌️💪🙋♂️
Josh is awesome on the 350.💯🙏👍😎💪✌️🤙🇺🇸🫡
Way to go josh ! the 350 is a awesome bike you looked great on it
My Grandpa was a super wise guy. Always told me " keep a tight one". Keep the glutes tight brother
That bike is sick🤘
Are you racing the Hangtown national?
Yes I am!
Good effort amigo.
What song was playing during the LCQ?????????
Bloody great content! Well done.
If im not mistaken antonio cairolli won a mxgp title on a 350
2010 2011 2012 2013 on 350
Good job man🤘
I tell ya man, the sooner the Japs start making a 400 motocross bike, the better, you heard it here first. You could go faster with less effort if you laid you bars back a touch, it gives better leverage over the steering.
Great work Josh 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
2010 Mike Alessi won the 2nd moto and finished 2nd overall at Hangtown on the newly released KTM 350.
You did damn well👍
Just getting into the top 40 at a national is so sick
That was sick bro !!!
Coming off my yz 450 and hopping on my son's 350 sxf I was surprised how fast it hauled me around and I'm 6' 3" and 230lbs
Haven't watched the video, but Cairoli rode the 350 in some GP's, winning at least one, maybe more.
he won some titles with the 350, so yeah, it´s capable of winning.
Think it was 2 world titles he won on the 350 so yeah it certainly compete with the right man on it 😂
@@kev22bmx it was literally just a 450 with a 350 written on the side lol not much a difference when its a complete works bike
can't wait to see you back on the 450 and see how you finish....might not be the bike.
Honestly, you're right haha. We will see this weekend!
@@joshmosiman1955 Honestly, I trust you will rip next race- no doubt!!!
Wow thats a really really deeeep question ..
You also chose the fastest track on the circuit to race a 350. I think the power difference wouldn’t be quite as obvious on a different track. Try it again at High Point!
I don’t understand some of these topics sometimes!!!! Mike Allesi, Tony Caroli. a
Another great video!!!
We're can I get your neon orange 6D helmet guy ???? So sick
That orange helmet i’m always looking for you❤
I believe the 450 class. Everyone should be riding the 350, the 350 motorcycles is pleny fast enough and there's no doubt in my mind that jet lawrence could win on a 350
I'd like to see KTM 350s race with KTM two-stroke 300s
Still a factory 350 but he'll yeah bro respect
i had sg10 boots, i still sucked! lol i clicked quick , thought you were kenny lol nice ride
ur a beast dude
Working on bringing water west for GNCC
Oh and desert racers to freak a mud hole
looking good 👍 loved it😊
Maybe, but Chase Sexton at an indoor Supercross...
Compete. Yes. Win. No. Head to head with the best in the world you have to have the same equipment. Regardless of the various advantages, you can't give up 100cc. No privateer chooses to ride a 350.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t this the same guy who was in JWalk’s video on press day?
Great ride! Don’t eat your sticker.
Go full Pro with numismatics
Selling bike setup changes in change
Josh id like to see u qualify for a national on a yz125 and yz250 2 stroke
Only if you put the 2007 James Bubba Stewart on the 350.
id love to see Jett Lawrence hop on that ktm 350 without ever riding it and see how good he can do..What position do you think he would get??
Win. If Tony Cairoli can win on it, Jett can too.
Carolli would say different.
The same disadvantages this 350 deals with are the same challenges that anyone on a 250 two-stroke faces. Starts are gonna be bad and the 450 pulls you out of every turn.
How do you think a 350 with a big bore kit would go? Would it still handle better than a 450 but have enough power to keep up?
Only thing that matters is that BONES did your fork and shock ???
Andrew short rode a 350 against 450s.
Not a fan of California, but the hills and scenery in background of the race is beautiful 👌
I see why not. I mean, James Stewart won a few on a 125 against the 250’s. So why not a 350 against a 450?
However, you have to be that good to win.
cool guys
You put to much blue Husqvarna parts on it! 😁
No matter what, you did it!
Thinking needs a little bit more time to click on the 350 'cause you can use a little bit more the corner speed against the 450s?
Let us know about the boot thing more?
Music during moto? No way!
350 has more rpms but 450 got more torque, a 350 has more expensive maintenance than 450, Cairoli won a World Championship but it did not repeat because 450s of other brands catch up what the 350 has
Wrong. He actually won 4 titles on a 350. And then moved to a 450 in 15 I believe as the technology increased and they became more de tuneable
This was a blast to watch! Thanks for sharing the experience! However, you need to grow that beard back, it’s a built in guarantee you’ll be faster annnd it’s built in roost protection!
Stoked you enjoyed it! Our video guy Trevor kills it
Didn't Chris Prebula qualify on a 350 a bunch of times last year?
Alessi did it
TC222 showed this enough..
Awesome tho to Qualify as not a full time racer.
Jeff Walker should watch this and realise calling yourself a 'PRO' does not make you one.( Nothing against him personally tho)
Cairoli 222 did it