I'm a little late with this comment, but you're not gonna want to miss part IV where Christopher Hitchens, himself pushes back on Ayaan, taking her to task for her misdirection and ignorance of Christianity - especially for Christianity's wicked influence on Islam!
@@misterdeity I presume that any contributions from Hitchens will be from the past, departed as he is, but "islam" is just cogged from "judahism" and "christianity" which he did opine on. There is, of course, no evidence that any of them have any basis in reality, and listening to Hitchens is always entertaining.
@@kiernanwalker3852 Lol, Hitch would probably haunt the Pope. The next Exorcism movie might be set in the Vatican. If they got Hitch right, I'd probs watch it!
"I used to think religion was for people who were scared of the world and scared of the dark. Then I became scared of the world and scared of the dark, so I became religious. But I was totally wrong about religion being for scared people. Totally."
All I can feel for Ayaan is sorrow. To my mind she has been so horrendously traumatized by the abuse she suffered at the hands of her Islamic-fundamentalist family (Imagine being betrayed by those who should love, nurture, and protect you!) that she hasn't actually been able to terms with it, to become psychologically whole. She is indeed a person so radically damaged by religion that she'll never live a "normal" life. As far as her conversion being a con, she's only conning herself, alas. I do have one question though: where does she now stand on a woman's right to complete bodily autonomy, including reproductive freedom? Remember, Jesus said not a word about abortion and Big Daddy was clearly all for it.
My ears pricked right up when she said "having now really seen the key differences between religions;" but then she just forged on ahead and never showed even a single shred of familiarity with - for example - the psychological depth found in many of the principal Dharmic or Taoist scriptures. Methinks she must have acquired all her philosophical wisdom from comic books.
I think that Ayaan was elevated to the position where she was considered an intellectual thinker because she represented a seemingly rational opposition to Islam. Listening to her justifications for the dishonesty promoted by her new chosen religion shows clearly that she has no sincere regard for integrity. I also think that Alex is too afraid to offend to be able to hold her feet to the fire.
After "researching" all religions she of course had to accept one of the most blatantly false (which is also the most popular but that's just a coincidence, right?😄)
Hey Brian. You spoke for me with full force and expletives. Thank you. Ayaan was great as an ex-Muslim of which she has much knowledge but sucks as pro-Christian of which she has almost zero knowledge. She "chose" to be public about her angst so must pay the price of her ignorance. She is embarrassing.
To bat for Alex for a minute. Any push back would have immediately been trown back as an attack on someone who was mentally compromised. He can definitely go to town in an adversarial setting, but the dynamic is more delicate when someone is invited on the show. But i think the benifit of this type of interview is that Ayaan went full Used-Car Salesman and its clear that theres nothing new on the lot.
The difficulty I have in criticising her is that I truly understand what she is going through. I used to have spiritual beliefs that helped me deal with depression. I rejected rational objections because I had to, and it felt right. Having said that she sounds like someone who has joined a cult: the attempts at self-justification are really sad to see. It’s pure apologetics.
Hell she is so annoying. Instead of having her CONversion to Christianity quietly and humbly, she has to announce it to the world. Apparently wishy washy love and wishy washy Jesus solved her depression and probably helped her career in politics among sympathetic Christians. YUK !
Love me back or burn in hell = "unconditional"!? Yes, I heard O'Connor interview the Knectly's (spelling) and thought to myself, he's allowing them to use his platform without holding their toes to the fire, metaphorically speaking of course. I was quite disheartened by these 2 interviews.
I'll say it again. Been atheist 40 years. Never heard of Hitch, Dawkins or Harris til a few years ago. Who the heck is she? None of them have had any influence on my non-belief.
This. THIS is what many a theist doesnt get: most of us didnt become atheist because of these guys. Hell, I was 10 or 12 when I realized wasnt religious or believe in god. I didnt even know there was a word for it - I didnt even know there were _other religions_ besides christianity then!! And not to boast, but alot of the "social/moral arguments" had already occurred to me then too, even though I hadnt read through the bible at the time.
@@Mr.PeabodyTheSkeptic I didn't become an atheist because of Hitch or Dawkins, but they gave my atheism a vocabulary. And that's what Mr Deity (among other channels) also does.
I’m Dutch, so I remember her from the time she lived over here and was on all the Dutch media constantly. She’s a professional attention seeker. She made an anti-islam movie with film maker Theo van Gogh, who was murdered in 2004 because of that movie.
I never saw her as an Atheist via reasoning type from day one, and am still clueless how she became the 4th horseman, or first horsewoman...! I can only see it for the publicity value of her story of being abused, and having nothing to do with her being some brilliant philosopher or even very intelligent at all, as there were much better candidates. I think by now she's shown sufficiently that she wasn't an Atheist due to rational reasoning, and good logic, but for the safe space she was in at the time. Well now that the spot light on her has dimmed, and she still has to pay for the higher life style, body guards... she found a different angle to get back in the light, and a community that will blindly throw money at her as long as she serves their agenda, no matter how phony.
Its like they just throw words in a hat and reach in and say whatever comes out.,, Do they know what unconditional love IS????? that and 'free will'.... get me every fucking time.
I think not pushing back is part of Alex’s genius. Even though he was particularly gentle in this instance Ayaan’s tragically misguided guff sang out without him him having to press for it. Thank you Mr D for providing such an eloquent and entertaining breakdown.
Look at her body language. She's terrified. Closed in and listening only to herself and how much she needs to be comforted. Or holding herself from an almost involuntary gag reflex at the BS she's having to repeat here to support the grift. And that is the problem of "faith", if there is no evidence, we can't tell which: grift in the future or abuse in the past.
I'd Like to say to Ayaan that I did go to church. I liked going to church, but I care about what's true too much to trade lies for the collective effervescence of religion.
No, sweetie, she doesn’t know christians go through the same terror as children. She’s in the first flush of the spaciness and brainwashing of the cult. And, hell yeah, Alex, you’ve got a lot of explaining to do
@2:20 why would there _even be_ an "evolution" for an "unchanging god" like the one christians believe in? The "atheist ayaan" (the one who was only _slightly less_ concerned with being rich) wouldn't have cognitive-pretzeled her way out of that blatant contradiction.
I have seen him do this repeatedly. Sometimes he takes people to task and other times he just let's them ramble incoherently and validates their ramblings.
I am insulted by her reason that she is choosing Christianity so she can feel love. She stated that it is due to her childhood trauma that she is seeking out this love. So speaking from someone who also experienced childhood trauma, she feels love from some being that supposedly can perform miracles and choose to sit around and watch the trauma unfold. I choose to grow strong.
I left the "church" (cult) I was brought up in at like 23 or so, and lost SOOOOOO much love. I was a "good boy", kept myself separate from "the world", so when I read too much and finally left (the church practiced shunning), I had almost NOTHING (except 2 other friends who had travelled a similar journey). 20 years later, and I have love--my wife loves me despite my numerous post-church issues, as do my kids. Nobody needs to choose a new religion to experience love.
I too had a childhood full of trauma, abuse and neglect. Much of it in the name of god and religion. For me it's not about strength. I really dont seek strength. I seek resiliency, empathy, compassion, well being for all and above all I feel the need to understand life and existence as best as I can. All of this seeking led me to understand there is no god. And that believing in one betrays humanity and life. Yes it does take strength to be an atheist. You have to make all of your moral decisions yourself. You have to think for yourself. It's really hard at times and incredibly beautiful at other times. You build strength doing it. But it's not my goal. My goal is for everyone to live their best life. Religion, faith, gods, all prevent this.
Ayaan, I don’t want to go to church. There is nothing there for me, and I’m not broken. I’m so much happier and filled with wonder without the mental gymnastics I’d have to do to believe any religion.
At this point I kind of feel bad for Ayaan. She was never an intellectual. She was merely included as one due to her rejection of Islam - as if that alone is some sort of rare accomplishment. Where is her big philosophical breakthrough that actually warranted her fame? My point is this: She's out of her league. She was never worthy of all this attention.
@@davidreynolds6718 she has published multiple books, has a masters in political science, and was a former Dutch politician. She was not just some random “anti Islam” person.
Remember when Ayaan first entered the world of atheism years ago, when Christopher Hitchens basically took her under his wing, and pretty much emotionally supported her at one of his seminars.? This was around the early 2000s or late 90s. I don't know what took her so long to abandon her alleged acceptance of atheism and putting her persecuting religion behind her.
Yes; she’s a stooge for the RW & to be held up as a rallying call/female religious leader - which she’s actually not - but they can milk it nonetheless.
Hiya MD, glad to see you're still keeping on! Keep the no-bars coming! I've always considered Hirsi's becoming considered as a "fourth horseman of atheism" as ... Odd. The number is from the bable , and we know exactly how poor at truth it is... TTYL!
She flits from trend to trend. I can't wait for her to get interested in historical re-enactment focusing on the Tudor dynasty - the kings and queens of late Renaissance England. She'll stride about shouting, 'I'm 'Enery the Eighth Ayaan!'.
7:45. The lack of love... Yep, that is what drove me away from christianity, the total lack of love coming to me, and all the rejection... Well part of it was that.
alex is another dawkins in the making, he started off strong and i _almost_ went along with people who were saying "he's the next hitch" but he's gone soft, or was always soft, so intent on "dialogue" he's letting them monologue.
People are making WAY TOO MUCH of Dawkins and his “cultural Christianity” comments. All he said, was he likes the music, art, and architecture inspired by Christianity, and that he would rather live among Christians than Muslims. Don’t read too much into it.
I've heard Ayaan speak a lot since her "conversion", and every time what I hear is a very sad, broken woman who has pragmatically embraced an ideology that she feels gives her some support to her clearly very fragile psychological state. What I NEVER hear is a cogent case that Christianity is actually true. I actually feel sorry for her.
Imo she believes that her message will work upon atheists, when in fact her message is just a repetition of the usual fundamentalist Christian mentality.
Viewing just clips of the interview, I took it that her conversion was all about a prolonged trauma recovery - after all, she presents as flat in affect and physically constricted. But then I watched the whole thing. She talks about "woke", and "cultural Marxism" and how society needs Christianity for political reasons. And then she dropped the book plug and I realised its mainly a Christian nationalist grift.
I honestly never understood the whole "I feel the love of God" bit. I've felt love from some people. I've felt love from my cats. But never from God or Jesus. I never even got a birthday card from either one, let alone any sort of direct interaction that messaged any feelings. Sure. People told me God and Jesus loved me. The Bible says it. But being told something and actually experiencing it are two different things. I guess I just never got good enough at convincing myself that nothing was really something.
Perhaps Alex is hopeful of receiving a cut from the proceeds as a reward for being so supine in the face of balderdash. How depressing. No push back is an understatement.
@winc06 I don't keep up with this Alex person, and I have never understood what the difference was between "atheist" and "new atheist" Surely both do not consider that there is any evidence of a deistic or theistic imaginary friend. If Alex is an atheist of any stripe, he is doing a pretty poor job of pointing out Ayann's lazy and selective attitude towards her new brand of silliness and wish fulfillment ignorance.
Alex seems disappointing here, but tbf to him. I’ve not watched the interview yet. After part three of this, I definitely want to check it out. I have nothing but compassion for Ayaan, but some of what she’s saying here is very frustrating, especially saying all we need is church if we’re depressed. Mental illness runs in my family, and so does Christian. They all go to church, AND take Prozac. What she said is remarkably ignorant. She’s projecting.
The link for the whole interview is in the description. And I’m with you. She has my whole heart in terms of wanting her to find the wellness she desires. But now that she’s asking for my mind as well, that’s not something I’ll simply, or for the sake of consolation, surrender.
Alex O’Connor is about a week away from declaring himself a “cultural Christian”. He is just a Dawkins wannabe. As for Ayaan, she is nothing more than a fame hound. If Islam somehow becomes “cool” she will convert to that next. I see two grifters having a discussion on who is more grifty and cool.
So true. From the very beginning of their book this gods love is demanding. The first four commandments are only about it. It's pathological narcissism. Which means it's solely about control. Priests/kings, etc... controlling the populace.
Let's be honest Brian, the only thing about you that will flip for Jeebus will be the middle finger. Oh, and i can't find part 19 in this 2 part series. Can someone post a link?
Alex got his social media fingers burned, when he flew the flag for veganism, then changed his mind. He got a LOT of backlash as you can imagine, and ever since then he's been frustratingly accomodating with Xtians, and too "middle of the road" in his views. This is why they all love talking to him, he's a soft ball thrower.
Yep. It was clear he stopped promoting veganism because he felt it was holding back his sub count and he was called out on it when he made that horrible video of excuses.
Your bit at the end reminded me of hearing Richard Dawkins joke that if he ever really got into financial trouble, he could always approach the Templeton Foundation and tell them he has seen the light, and found a way to reconcile biological evolution with the Bible -- what a coup that would be for them, and what a payday for Dawkins. But my sense is that he (and you) value your personal integrity too highly to go down that road.
Alex has on several occasions had theists walk out of interviews. I think that in this case he pretty much just gave Ayaan enough rope to hang herself. Then she willingly stepped onto the gallows with a stream of soft spoken drivel that contained no Christian substance with the exception of the recruiting poster slogan of "God's unconditional love" followed with "buy my book".
Some Christians claim that the not-so-pleasant parts of the Bible are significant steps in the right direction, one that went as far as the people of the time could go. But then they don't go the next step and say that we must continue that heritage and do better than the Bible.
Yes... people of that time couldn't handle "don't rape" or "don't own people." But don't covet or mix fabrics was in their wheelhouse. What I love is the fact that they could handle "don't murder," but then were commanded to commit genocide - 'cause people of that time could (apparently) handle murdering babies and animals.
@@misterdeity There were humans that you could kill, and humans that you can't kill without some specific rituals. As you pointed out, the prohibition on mixed fabrics was supposedly supposed to be universal....but their poor little minds couldn't handle "Don't kill means do not kill anyone"? "They couldn't handle such ideas" is nonsense. Our ancestors were human beings, and human beings are capable of a great deal of flexibility. The idea that our ancestors couldn't handle "peace, love, and understanding" is pretty darn disrespectful of our ancestors. (who, to be honest, were often assholes)
I think it helps to project away from plenty of the bizarre twisted teachings taught within jezeusian mythology. Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters-yes, even their own life-such a person cannot be my disciple. Matthew 10:34-35 34. Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in- law I've had the wizards explain it means life will be hard after signing up
Bri, I was aggravated by her nonsense last week, and you told me to hang on. Well, here we are. I share your indignation and incredulity as this woman's idiocy (I still don't know who she is or why anyone cares about what she has to say). I want to continue to rant about her utter stupidity, but you've beat me to it and covered it pretty well. I'm almost feeling sorry for her. And I agree with you - what's happened to Alex lately? Is he going to attend the premiere of _Left Behind 2_ with Kirk Cameron in tow? It's bad enough to lose the election; I don't need this nonsense too.
That must be it, right? She is having money problems on top of the crippling despair and thought pimping a book plus a few softball interviews would put things in order? Damn, I could not sleep at night.
@@misterocain LOL! 😂 I’ve never heard it called a vanity project before!!! But that’s exactly what it is! I’m so stealing that!!! That might even require an entire video of its own. Please don’t sue me.
I think Alex assumes that her foolishness and pain will somehow make the pointlessness of her proclaimed faith obvious to everyone, so he lets her speak unopposed and unquestioned. It's like he thinks it's good enough to simply document her statements without comment and without criticism because that's what a good journalist might do.
It's funny how these people are acting like being Christian and going to church is some new radical idea that no one has heard of.🤣A lot of people went to church and had bad experiences so they left.
@Molemo-r6s I prefer to not know homicidal maniacs. Thank you. I did pay attention when god decided to kill every living thing on the planet because he got pissy with some people except for one family. Also paid attention when he decided to be a neglectful parent at best when he decided he didn't want to teach Adam and Eve. Even If I thought the gob of the bibble was true I wouldn't follow him because hes an ass. Don't even get me started on the problems that, the amount of incest would cause.
She literally sounds very unsure and very unconvincing. Especially considering she’s claiming some kind of powerful and overwhelming calling to Christianity. Sorry Ayaan I’m just not buying it. You clearly have an agenda which is probably rooted in book sales. And please don’t put down your own integrity. Because it shines brightly from you my friend. As for Alex ? Meh. I’m sure he and Dawkins are revelling in their “ cultural Christianity “ His lack of pushback in this interview is really telling.
Is it just me? Or does it seem like multiple celebrity or well-known people suddenly CONverting to Christianity have a pattern to it? Yeah, grift... and... Especially with the growing Christian nationalist movement and our government possibly going to crack down on people who aren't "Christian"? ❤ Ya Brian
@@kariannecrysler640 So we can freely make the choices He’s known forever that we’ll make… because He made us the way He made us so that we’d make the choices He’s known we’d make. You know, to fit perfectly in with His plan. Makes perfect sense, right?
@ 🤣😂🤣 it definitely adds to the chaos of reality doesn’t it lol. I for one am glad to get to live to see the mess & bitch about it, than to have never existed. I absolutely love your content thank you so much for sharing your passions with us all. 💜
Those machines don’t work: if you're stressed, it will register physical symptoms of that as lying; if you can stay calm, like having severe antisocial personality disorder (in laymen terms being psychopath) or learning to control yourself for example in spy training, you can lie as much as you want and it doesn’t register it.
I think her behavior is indicative of the fundamental patriarchal nature of world religions. She’s a victim of religious misogyny, and these WOTM analyses helps to dissect out the logical fallacy of that religious misogyny. 6:47
Still not a word about the bible actually being true in any way, but it just feels good to her. She needed something & found it in religion (Christianity in particular) but just because she was hurt & desperate sure doesn't mean anything she now embraces is true.
It also doesn't mean it will work in the long term. I'm telling you, there is very likely something deeper driving her desperation, and churches absolutely do not fix those deeper wounds.
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I'm a little late with this comment, but you're not gonna want to miss part IV where Christopher Hitchens, himself pushes back on Ayaan, taking her to task for her misdirection and ignorance of Christianity - especially for Christianity's wicked influence on Islam!
@@misterdeity I presume that any contributions from Hitchens will be from the past, departed as he is, but "islam" is just cogged from "judahism" and "christianity" which he did opine on. There is, of course, no evidence that any of them have any basis in reality, and listening to Hitchens is always entertaining.
@ I'm assuming he's going to use past clips as well, but also holding out just the slightest bit of hope that a Ouija board might somehow be involved.
@@AttentiveDragon Perhaps. Jolly good thing that there aren't any ghosts, either.
@@kiernanwalker3852 Lol, Hitch would probably haunt the Pope. The next Exorcism movie might be set in the Vatican. If they got Hitch right, I'd probs watch it!
@@andrewstrongman305 A CGI Hitchens, something to cause sleepless nights.
Bill Gates updates my computer software at least once a week, yet somehow a god can't even manage to update every 2000 years? I call Shenanigans.
@@Never-mind1960 That’s a great and very funny point!!! ❤️
"this is a god who gives you rules of what's right and wrong" wait until she reads leviticus!
"I used to think religion was for people who were scared of the world and scared of the dark. Then I became scared of the world and scared of the dark, so I became religious. But I was totally wrong about religion being for scared people. Totally."
She was looking for a drug that wasn’t a pharmaceutical, and found it.
I remember being afraid of the dark when I was a child. It never once made me think slavery and genocide were OK.
Set every normal person on the planet! LOL! 😂❤
All I can feel for Ayaan is sorrow. To my mind she has been so horrendously traumatized by the abuse she suffered at the hands of her Islamic-fundamentalist family (Imagine being betrayed by those who should love, nurture, and protect you!) that she hasn't actually been able to terms with it, to become psychologically whole. She is indeed a person so radically damaged by religion that she'll never live a "normal" life. As far as her conversion being a con, she's only conning herself, alas.
I do have one question though: where does she now stand on a woman's right to complete bodily autonomy, including reproductive freedom? Remember, Jesus said not a word about abortion and Big Daddy was clearly all for it.
My ears pricked right up when she said "having now really seen the key differences between religions;" but then she just forged on ahead and never showed even a single shred of familiarity with - for example - the psychological depth found in many of the principal Dharmic or Taoist scriptures. Methinks she must have acquired all her philosophical wisdom from comic books.
I think that Ayaan was elevated to the position where she was considered an intellectual thinker because she represented a seemingly rational opposition to Islam. Listening to her justifications for the dishonesty promoted by her new chosen religion shows clearly that she has no sincere regard for integrity. I also think that Alex is too afraid to offend to be able to hold her feet to the fire.
I didn't know Alex O'Connor became a therapist.😲
Maybe in a future session with her he'll bring up some flaws in her reasoning?
That would be nice. Likelihood?
After "researching" all religions she of course had to accept one of the most blatantly false (which is also the most popular but that's just a coincidence, right?😄)
"I find it interesting that what people claim god wants, always seems to coincide with what they want." -- Susan B.A.
One of Muhammad's wives chided him for always having revelations that confirmed his views.
10:33 "they're even forced to clap..." 😂😂
Hey Brian. You spoke for me with full force and expletives. Thank you. Ayaan was great as an ex-Muslim of which she has much knowledge but sucks as pro-Christian of which she has almost zero knowledge. She "chose" to be public about her angst so must pay the price of her ignorance. She is embarrassing.
To bat for Alex for a minute. Any push back would have immediately been trown back as an attack on someone who was mentally compromised. He can definitely go to town in an adversarial setting, but the dynamic is more delicate when someone is invited on the show.
But i think the benifit of this type of interview is that Ayaan went full Used-Car Salesman and its clear that theres nothing new on the lot.
Ayaan is weak minded. She needed a crutch
Brian, please write a book! I would love to have it on my shelf and sneak some copies into some Christmas stockings. 😏
Ever read a book so good you wished it was true? Yeah... same... that's why Gandalf now sits on top of my Xmas tree and I worship the saviour Frodo.
The difficulty I have in criticising her is that I truly understand what she is going through. I used to have spiritual beliefs that helped me deal with depression. I rejected rational objections because I had to, and it felt right.
Having said that she sounds like someone who has joined a cult: the attempts at self-justification are really sad to see. It’s pure apologetics.
Hell she is so annoying. Instead of having her CONversion to Christianity quietly and humbly, she has to announce it to the world. Apparently wishy washy love and wishy washy Jesus solved her depression and probably helped her career in politics among sympathetic Christians. YUK !
So when people become atheist and announce it's a good thing, but when people become Christian it's bad? Hmmm looks like the Satan got you
She's low-bar-Bill-ing again. "I had a bad time, the story of god's love sounds good, I'm in!"
"He LOVED me! He LOVED Bill Craig!"
ah i needed this. thanks.
For Hitchin sake, I knew it, a freaking book! What are the odds that it will be at least in part written by a ghost, a Holy Ghost?
Love me back or burn in hell = "unconditional"!? Yes, I heard O'Connor interview the Knectly's (spelling) and thought to myself, he's allowing them to use his platform without holding their toes to the fire, metaphorically speaking of course. I was quite disheartened by these 2 interviews.
I'll say it again. Been atheist 40 years. Never heard of Hitch, Dawkins or Harris til a few years ago. Who the heck is she? None of them have had any influence on my non-belief.
Yeah, I too was an atheist long before I heard of any of them.
This.
THIS is what many a theist doesnt get: most of us didnt become atheist because of these guys. Hell, I was 10 or 12 when I realized wasnt religious or believe in god. I didnt even know there was a word for it - I didnt even know there were _other religions_ besides christianity then!! And not to boast, but alot of the "social/moral arguments" had already occurred to me then too, even though I hadnt read through the bible at the time.
@@Mr.PeabodyTheSkeptic I didn't become an atheist because of Hitch or Dawkins, but they gave my atheism a vocabulary.
And that's what Mr Deity (among other channels) also does.
I’m Dutch, so I remember her from the time she lived over here and was on all the Dutch media constantly. She’s a professional attention seeker. She made an anti-islam movie with film maker Theo van Gogh, who was murdered in 2004 because of that movie.
I never saw her as an Atheist via reasoning type from day one, and am still clueless how she became the 4th horseman, or first horsewoman...! I can only see it for the publicity value of her story of being abused, and having nothing to do with her being some brilliant philosopher or even very intelligent at all, as there were much better candidates.
I think by now she's shown sufficiently that she wasn't an Atheist due to rational reasoning, and good logic, but for the safe space she was in at the time. Well now that the spot light on her has dimmed, and she still has to pay for the higher life style, body guards... she found a different angle to get back in the light, and a community that will blindly throw money at her as long as she serves their agenda, no matter how phony.
3 parts in and I'm still at a lost as to who this woman is and why I should care.
Is it because she is an enigma?
LOL! 😂
Thanks for sticking with it regardless.
Its like they just throw words in a hat and reach in and say whatever comes out.,, Do they know what unconditional love IS????? that and 'free will'.... get me every fucking time.
I think not pushing back is part of Alex’s genius. Even though he was particularly gentle in this instance Ayaan’s tragically misguided guff sang out without him him having to press for it. Thank you Mr D for providing such an eloquent and entertaining breakdown.
Now with the mustache I see why you call him the comic sceptic.
With his porn-stache, I keep waiting for them to start inexplicably disrobing.
LOL! 😂 He scares me now - I'm terrified of the California Highway Patrol! See future episodes for my CHP Alex photo.
@misterdeity I think he looks like a younger Freddy Mercury. Or one of the village people.
@@InigoMontoya- That's so funny! Can you hear the wah guitar playing in the background?
She straight up said "closed minded atheist Ayaan"
End of conversation, why do we care about this person again?
Fair point!
Look at her body language. She's terrified. Closed in and listening only to herself and how much she needs to be comforted. Or holding herself from an almost involuntary gag reflex at the BS she's having to repeat here to support the grift.
And that is the problem of "faith", if there is no evidence, we can't tell which: grift in the future or abuse in the past.
I'd Like to say to Ayaan that I did go to church. I liked going to church, but I care about what's true too much to trade lies for the collective effervescence of religion.
No, sweetie, she doesn’t know christians go through the same terror as children. She’s in the first flush of the spaciness and brainwashing of the cult. And, hell yeah, Alex, you’ve got a lot of explaining to do
She just wants a seat at the grift table.
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Looking forward to the book Brian.
LOL! 😂
Maybe Alex is not pushing back because he is letting her "dig her own grave."
Thank you for being _and staying_ you!
Brilliant analysis MrD. \m/
That is all.
@2:20 why would there _even be_ an "evolution" for an "unchanging god" like the one christians believe in?
The "atheist ayaan" (the one who was only _slightly less_ concerned with being rich) wouldn't have cognitive-pretzeled her way out of that blatant contradiction.
I am so disappointed in Alex for going along with her BS and not challenging her. What happened to him?
I have seen him do this repeatedly. Sometimes he takes people to task and other times he just let's them ramble incoherently and validates their ramblings.
We have lost our comic skeptic! 😢
Love this 3 part series. Truth over Comfort.
It's actually a 2 part series.
I am insulted by her reason that she is choosing Christianity so she can feel love. She stated that it is due to her childhood trauma that she is seeking out this love. So speaking from someone who also experienced childhood trauma, she feels love from some being that supposedly can perform miracles and choose to sit around and watch the trauma unfold. I choose to grow strong.
I left the "church" (cult) I was brought up in at like 23 or so, and lost SOOOOOO much love. I was a "good boy", kept myself separate from "the world", so when I read too much and finally left (the church practiced shunning), I had almost NOTHING (except 2 other friends who had travelled a similar journey). 20 years later, and I have love--my wife loves me despite my numerous post-church issues, as do my kids. Nobody needs to choose a new religion to experience love.
I too had a childhood full of trauma, abuse and neglect. Much of it in the name of god and religion. For me it's not about strength. I really dont seek strength. I seek resiliency, empathy, compassion, well being for all and above all I feel the need to understand life and existence as best as I can. All of this seeking led me to understand there is no god. And that believing in one betrays humanity and life. Yes it does take strength to be an atheist. You have to make all of your moral decisions yourself. You have to think for yourself. It's really hard at times and incredibly beautiful at other times. You build strength doing it. But it's not my goal. My goal is for everyone to live their best life. Religion, faith, gods, all prevent this.
Of course it is easier to give up trying to make sense of the universe, and just let someone else tell you what to believe and how to live your life!
You’re brilliant and awesome, alwAys. So sad about this abused woman…
I agree. When I watch this I just feel sad for her. It's definitely a step in the wrong direction for healing.
Conservatives aren't human beings. No such thing as a conservative "woman".
I’m so glad you appreciate the work. ❤️ Always happy to see you here!
She can't be THAT clueless. I think she's hamming it up for more money.
It’s her lifelong fear of Islam. Combined with a smattering of anti trans.
To quote Seth Andrews - "Religion makes people stupid"
Ayaan, I don’t want to go to church. There is nothing there for me, and I’m not broken. I’m so much happier and filled with wonder without the mental gymnastics I’d have to do to believe any religion.
At this point I kind of feel bad for Ayaan. She was never an intellectual. She was merely included as one due to her rejection of Islam - as if that alone is some sort of rare accomplishment. Where is her big philosophical breakthrough that actually warranted her fame? My point is this: She's out of her league. She was never worthy of all this attention.
I suspect you're correct.
@@davidreynolds6718 she has published multiple books, has a masters in political science, and was a former Dutch politician. She was not just some random “anti Islam” person.
Remember when Ayaan first entered the world of atheism years ago, when Christopher Hitchens basically took her under his wing, and pretty much emotionally supported her at one of his seminars.? This was around the early 2000s or late 90s. I don't know what took her so long to abandon her alleged acceptance of atheism and putting her persecuting religion behind her.
@@etaylor8028aha! The politician background explains her skills in gaslighting the simple-minded.
Yes; she’s a stooge for the RW & to be held up as a rallying call/female religious leader - which she’s actually not - but they can milk it nonetheless.
Any god who doesn’t support equal compensation for work done, especially within the individual’s own talents, isn’t worth worshipping imo! 💜
Hiya MD, glad to see you're still keeping on! Keep the no-bars coming! I've always considered Hirsi's becoming considered as a "fourth horseman of atheism" as ... Odd. The number is from the bable , and we know exactly how poor at truth it is... TTYL!
I detect the change in her. She wants to sell more books than in her atheist era.
😂
I am thinking that maybe the idea of an watching god, a conscient pillar of the Universe, is ingrained in Ayaan. And that it is hard to shake.
She flits from trend to trend.
I can't wait for her to get interested in historical re-enactment focusing on the Tudor dynasty - the kings and queens of late Renaissance England.
She'll stride about shouting,
'I'm 'Enery the Eighth Ayaan!'.
7:45. The lack of love...
Yep, that is what drove me away from christianity, the total lack of love coming to me, and all the rejection...
Well part of it was that.
alex is another dawkins in the making, he started off strong and i _almost_ went along with people who were saying "he's the next hitch" but he's gone soft, or was always soft, so intent on "dialogue" he's letting them monologue.
The problem with Alex is a lack of testicular fortitude. In other words, no ⚽️ 🏀
People are making WAY TOO MUCH of Dawkins and his “cultural Christianity” comments. All he said, was he likes the music, art, and architecture inspired by Christianity, and that he would rather live among Christians than Muslims. Don’t read too much into it.
I've heard Ayaan speak a lot since her "conversion", and every time what I hear is a very sad, broken woman who has pragmatically embraced an ideology that she feels gives her some support to her clearly very fragile psychological state. What I NEVER hear is a cogent case that Christianity is actually true. I actually feel sorry for her.
She's simply broken.
As am I. We all are. I’ve simply made peace with reality. That really IS the difference.
Imo she believes that her message will work upon atheists, when in fact her message is just a repetition of the usual fundamentalist Christian mentality.
I'm not sure if her message is for atheists. Now she's an apologist, preaching to the choir. And, she's written a book!
Viewing just clips of the interview, I took it that her conversion was all about a prolonged trauma recovery - after all, she presents as flat in affect and physically constricted. But then I watched the whole thing. She talks about "woke", and "cultural Marxism" and how society needs Christianity for political reasons. And then she dropped the book plug and I realised its mainly a Christian nationalist grift.
I honestly never understood the whole "I feel the love of God" bit. I've felt love from some people. I've felt love from my cats. But never from God or Jesus. I never even got a birthday card from either one, let alone any sort of direct interaction that messaged any feelings. Sure. People told me God and Jesus loved me. The Bible says it. But being told something and actually experiencing it are two different things. I guess I just never got good enough at convincing myself that nothing was really something.
Again, great job!👍🏼💙💖💙💝💙🥰✌
Perhaps Alex is hopeful of receiving a cut from the proceeds as a reward for being so supine in the face of balderdash.
How depressing. No push back is an understatement.
I have been disappointed in Alex as he bad mouths the New Atheists because they don't meet the standard of his university philosophy education.
@@winc06His primary drive does seem to be sniffing farts. I find him unbearably smug, intellectually.
We have to remember it was much easier to be critical when it wasn't his full time job.
@winc06 I don't keep up with this Alex person, and I have never understood what the difference was between "atheist" and "new atheist" Surely both do not consider that there is any evidence of a deistic or theistic imaginary friend.
If Alex is an atheist of any stripe, he is doing a pretty poor job of pointing out Ayann's lazy and selective attitude towards her new brand of silliness and wish fulfillment ignorance.
You said "a world full of evil and suffering" instead of calling on your good friend Dennis.
Alex seems disappointing here, but tbf to him. I’ve not watched the interview yet. After part three of this, I definitely want to check it out. I have nothing but compassion for Ayaan, but some of what she’s saying here is very frustrating, especially saying all we need is church if we’re depressed. Mental illness runs in my family, and so does Christian. They all go to church, AND take Prozac. What she said is remarkably ignorant. She’s projecting.
The link for the whole interview is in the description. And I’m with you. She has my whole heart in terms of wanting her to find the wellness she desires. But now that she’s asking for my mind as well, that’s not something I’ll simply, or for the sake of consolation, surrender.
Bless the Maker and His water! _(Bless the coming and going of Him!),_ another video!
Good stuff.👍
Alex O’Connor is about a week away from declaring himself a “cultural Christian”. He is just a Dawkins wannabe. As for Ayaan, she is nothing more than a fame hound. If Islam somehow becomes “cool” she will convert to that next. I see two grifters having a discussion on who is more grifty and cool.
cultural Christians are cool asf
@ I prefer cultural Satanists.
Does she know what "unconditional" means? She keeps using that word but it does not mean what she thinks in means, at least in terms of Christianity.
So true. From the very beginning of their book this gods love is demanding. The first four commandments are only about it. It's pathological narcissism. Which means it's solely about control. Priests/kings, etc... controlling the populace.
Inconceivable...
I concur
Let's be honest Brian, the only thing about you that will flip for Jeebus will be the middle finger.
Oh, and i can't find part 19 in this 2 part series. Can someone post a link?
LOL! 😂❤
Alex got his social media fingers burned, when he flew the flag for veganism, then changed his mind. He got a LOT of backlash as you can imagine, and ever since then he's been frustratingly accomodating with Xtians, and too "middle of the road" in his views. This is why they all love talking to him, he's a soft ball thrower.
Yep. It was clear he stopped promoting veganism because he felt it was holding back his sub count and he was called out on it when he made that horrible video of excuses.
Bro are you possessed. You can't even say Christian properly. Wow the Bible was right, spawn of the devil fear the name of Christ
@Molemo-r6s lol "fear". you delusional sheep.
Is it just me, or does she sound like she always believed in a god? Just that she didn't like him...
Bingo!!! 🎉
What we're seeing here are remnants of her religious conditioning ... It's easy to fall into another religion.
Your bit at the end reminded me of hearing Richard Dawkins joke that if he ever really got into financial trouble, he could always approach the Templeton Foundation and tell them he has seen the light, and found a way to reconcile biological evolution with the Bible -- what a coup that would be for them, and what a payday for Dawkins. But my sense is that he (and you) value your personal integrity too highly to go down that road.
I'd buy your con-version book, Brian, since I know the sarcasm would be all over it!
Yep.
Tired of seeing Ayyan treated with kid gloves.
Alex has on several occasions had theists walk out of interviews. I think that in this case he pretty much just gave Ayaan enough rope to hang herself. Then she willingly stepped onto the gallows with a stream of soft spoken drivel that contained no Christian substance with the exception of the recruiting poster slogan of "God's unconditional love" followed with "buy my book".
Exactly! Someone needs to hold her feet to the fire. Sickening…
Some Christians claim that the not-so-pleasant parts of the Bible are significant steps in the right direction, one that went as far as the people of the time could go. But then they don't go the next step and say that we must continue that heritage and do better than the Bible.
Yes... people of that time couldn't handle "don't rape" or "don't own people." But don't covet or mix fabrics was in their wheelhouse. What I love is the fact that they could handle "don't murder," but then were commanded to commit genocide - 'cause people of that time could (apparently) handle murdering babies and animals.
@@misterdeity There were humans that you could kill, and humans that you can't kill without some specific rituals. As you pointed out, the prohibition on mixed fabrics was supposedly supposed to be universal....but their poor little minds couldn't handle "Don't kill means do not kill anyone"? "They couldn't handle such ideas" is nonsense. Our ancestors were human beings, and human beings are capable of a great deal of flexibility. The idea that our ancestors couldn't handle "peace, love, and understanding" is pretty darn disrespectful of our ancestors. (who, to be honest, were often assholes)
I think it helps to project away from plenty of the bizarre twisted teachings taught within jezeusian mythology.
Luke 14:26
"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters-yes, even their own life-such a person cannot be my disciple.
Matthew 10:34-35
34. Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
35. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in- law
I've had the wizards explain it means life will be hard after signing up
She's just a grifter. Plain and simple.
Bri, I was aggravated by her nonsense last week, and you told me to hang on. Well, here we are. I share your indignation and incredulity as this woman's idiocy (I still don't know who she is or why anyone cares about what she has to say). I want to continue to rant about her utter stupidity, but you've beat me to it and covered it pretty well. I'm almost feeling sorry for her. And I agree with you - what's happened to Alex lately? Is he going to attend the premiere of _Left Behind 2_ with Kirk Cameron in tow? It's bad enough to lose the election; I don't need this nonsense too.
I feel you, brother!!! 😂🥺🤨
That must be it, right? She is having money problems on top of the crippling despair and thought pimping a book plus a few softball interviews would put things in order? Damn, I could not sleep at night.
There's a reason the saying "no hate like christian love" exists.
"God's love is unconditional ... ". i.e. eternal torture for merely not buying into the vanity project.
@@misterocain LOL! 😂 I’ve never heard it called a vanity project before!!! But that’s exactly what it is! I’m so stealing that!!! That might even require an entire video of its own. Please don’t sue me.
@@misterdeity I'll sue you if you don't use it.
*_Scripture was written by brutish men in brutish times, and it shows!_*
Book sales for the win! Bets on how long to wait on some sort of collaboration with Larry Taunton?
I think Alex assumes that her foolishness and pain will somehow make the pointlessness of her proclaimed faith obvious to everyone, so he lets her speak unopposed and unquestioned. It's like he thinks it's good enough to simply document her statements without comment and without criticism because that's what a good journalist might do.
@@bobbabai or that his interview will create enough response videos that can be critical, so he isn't the bad guy. (And can book these guests again)
@@oscargr_ I guess I took the bait. I’m OK with that.
@@misterdeity You re more than OK with that, you're great with that.
@@oscargr_ I suspected that. He looks to be intentionally letting them getaway with nonsense.
New Ayaan is afraid of the dark too. That's the difference.
OMG!?!?!?! Go to church? like most of us did already?
I think she came under a rock and just happened to walk into a church. She's ignorant beyond belief.
It's funny how these people are acting like being Christian and going to church is some new radical idea that no one has heard of.🤣A lot of people went to church and had bad experiences so they left.
Going to church doesn't prove faith. You don't find Jesus in church, you find him in your heart, maybe you just didn't want to know him
@Molemo-r6s I prefer to not know homicidal maniacs. Thank you. I did pay attention when god decided to kill every living thing on the planet because he got pissy with some people except for one family. Also paid attention when he decided to be a neglectful parent at best when he decided he didn't want to teach Adam and Eve. Even If I thought the gob of the bibble was true I wouldn't follow him because hes an ass. Don't even get me started on the problems that, the amount of incest would cause.
She literally sounds very unsure and very unconvincing. Especially considering she’s claiming some kind of powerful and overwhelming calling to Christianity. Sorry Ayaan I’m just not buying it. You clearly have an agenda which is probably rooted in book sales. And please don’t put down your own integrity. Because it shines brightly from you my friend.
As for Alex ? Meh. I’m sure he and Dawkins are revelling in their “ cultural Christianity “
His lack of pushback in this interview is really telling.
The interviewer is an atheist!? Never would have guessed, lol.
Isn’t there better religions than Christianity you can convert to if you feel the need for spirituality?
Absolutely!!!
You can even make up one yourself. It can have all the things you want and none of the things you don't want.
@tabularasa0606 that's why I believe in My Little Pony Theology lmao
@@tabularasa0606Isn't that one of the most powerful features of Christianity?
You can split off and start your own. 😁😂
@@aetherkid funny that you bring that up. I picked my UA-cam name because of my little pony
Is it just me? Or does it seem like multiple celebrity or well-known people suddenly CONverting to Christianity have a pattern to it?
Yeah, grift... and...
Especially with the growing Christian nationalist movement and our government possibly going to crack down on people who aren't "Christian"?
❤ Ya Brian
The cape and secret identity are a waste of time. Why would a god have to hide?
@@kariannecrysler640 So we can freely make the choices He’s known forever that we’ll make… because He made us the way He made us so that we’d make the choices He’s known we’d make. You know, to fit perfectly in with His plan. Makes perfect sense, right?
@@misterdeity Must have tricked himself, ala created a rock he couldn't lift. Makes perfect sense. He's really just mad at himself, isn't he?
@ 🤣😂🤣 it definitely adds to the chaos of reality doesn’t it lol. I for one am glad to get to live to see the mess & bitch about it, than to have never existed. I absolutely love your content thank you so much for sharing your passions with us all. 💜
I want her to take a lie detector test
Those machines don’t work: if you're stressed, it will register physical symptoms of that as lying; if you can stay calm, like having severe antisocial personality disorder (in laymen terms being psychopath) or learning to control yourself for example in spy training, you can lie as much as you want and it doesn’t register it.
Christians could probably pass since they continually lie. Everything they believe is lies and they continue with it.
Poor woman just wants to cash her check 😹
yep.
LOL! 😂❤
I hope she doesn't lose the community and loving attention she found if she ever stops being useful for media attention
I didn't understand what she said. Can someone explain it to me? Embarrassing. My suspicion is the bag 💰💰💰 lots of bags
She's just parroting a lot of far-right fundagelical nonsense.
I think her behavior is indicative of the fundamental patriarchal nature of world religions.
She’s a victim of religious misogyny, and these WOTM analyses helps to dissect out the logical fallacy of that religious misogyny. 6:47
Integrity! Uh! What is it good for?
Exactly! It's just like war!
@@misterdeity but with fewer sound effects.
So what are the chances that she sold her head on a platter, for a book deal and a speaking tour?
That "brainwashed" part is concerning - her belief appears more than pragmatic or political but what she says is indeed "embarrassing".
Commenting for Al Gore's rhythm. I hope he becomes a better dancer soon
Still not a word about the bible actually being true in any way, but it just feels good to her. She needed something & found it in religion (Christianity in particular) but just because she was hurt & desperate sure doesn't mean anything she now embraces is true.
It also doesn't mean it will work in the long term. I'm telling you, there is very likely something deeper driving her desperation, and churches absolutely do not fix those deeper wounds.