Martin King talks about where the casual scene started? Martin doesnt agree that it started up North in Liverpool, but what do you think? Produced and Edited by Matty Nash
I am a gooner the first time I seen anyone dressed up was the liverpool lads they was wearing polos and cagoules straight Jean's and had cool wedge haircuts and Adidas trainers. when I watched Arsenal v liverpool at Wembley in the 79 charity shield .
Apparently, he reckons that Mods came after the hippies. Well Mods were 1964 to about 66/67, then it changed to hippies around 1969, which was the first summer of love. He's a bit confused by the looks of it.
This interview brought back so many memories I remember the Ivy shop it was in Richmond they also sold gibsons and smooths shoes . Awsome shop I used to work in Kings road in the Village gate it was a Saturday job there was also a shop called Cassidys in Kings Road , in Kensington church street there was another good shop called Stanley Adam's I actually had one of there macs. Martin KIng knows the history my next birthday I will be 66 so he must be around the same age.Tassle loafers are still in fashion 2022
Brilliant this fantastic watch well done and so many memories With regards to who started the casual movement I remember Arsenal wearing Farah trousers shoes and Gabicci tops The Scousers always were on the rob especially with England big bags of gear they had on them and to be fair they started the straight leg jeans they were the kings of the Adidas trainers trim Trab s and first with the wedge mushroom hairstyles, the explosion took place in London after that big article with the 4 lads in the face magazine that’s when the Tachini Fila La Coste Benetton Pringle thing went crazy and the truth is the scousers dropped out of it because of the cost and went perm hairstyles chunky knitwear patch work jackets while the London boys took it to another level although to be fair I thought Portsmouth were always really snappy 657 boys in their lemon la Coste faded Lois and deer stalkers Great memories loved those times and yes I remember Stuart’s at Shepherds Bush my very first Pringle was bought from there I wanted a blue one ended up buying a red one but didn’t care was that desperate for one lol we got to do some stuff together and these memories are just fantastic, those days were just the best years of my life
He doesn't even know the basics about skinheads. Skinheads came from Mod, Hard Mod and Rude Boys to be exact. The Scousers didn't go to London for their gear, they went on their Euro travels and lifted their sports/casual clobber. The end.
Martins books were bang on from 80s but gear was deffo up north first outfit was green Peter storm Lee jeans samba, crew neck, then quick to lacoste trimm trabb but some London teams quick to follow..the gear he's on about were the old lads it wasn't classed as casual none of us would wear any of that
Scousers and mancs gibbing around Europe. I remember 81 out in Oslo. When we started to started on the transopeno tickets. With hickey. Luxembourg. Smash and grab shopping. It was football and getting as much clobber you could carry. 👏👏🥊😂👍🇬🇧
Casual was a great scene not only for the look but the music that was side by side with it... BUT Give me the chelsea skins look anyday.... High leg cherries martins... Shermans... Half inch braces... Roll up jeans or other... OHHHH YESSSS
Nowadays casual brands ( not only in UK but in Europe as a whole ) Adidas , Puma , Nike , New Balance , Reebok , Diadora , Lyle & Scott , Fred Perry , Sergio Tacchini , Fila , Napapijri , Fjallraven , CP Company , Stone Island , Marshall Artist , Weekend Offender , Three Stroke , Paul & Shark , Henry Lloyd , Aquascutum , Hackett , Lacoste , Umbro , Ellesse , Kappa , Le Coq Sportif , Armani , Hugo Boss , Ralph Lauren , The North Face , Arc'teryx , Mammut , Helly Hansen , Jottnar , Thrudark , Thor Steinar , Pyrenex , Moncler , Under Armour , Alpha Industries , Lonsdale , Everlast , Saucony , Hi - Tec , Lowa , Timberland , MA Strum , Pivert , Boxeur des Rues , Pringle , PG Wear , Ben Sherman...
@@RD-ox3ce I know bro , some of the brands i named are definitely Casual , others although wore by many Ultras can't be considered Casual as The North Face for example , others just named because i like them lol
80's casual brands could be trimmed down to: Fila, Tacchini, Diadora, Adidas, Lacoste, Burberry, Aquascutum, Pringle, L&S and Kappa. All the others like Stone Island etc came way after the original scene had died out. If you had to describe the classic casual dress, it would be L&S polo, Fila track top or LAcoste jumper, Lois or Levi jumbo cords and a pair of Adidas Trimm Trab or Diadora Borg Elite. A leather jacket with a hood or a Burberry blouson if it was cold or wet. Aquascutum scarf, deer stalker hat or similar completed the look.
What about the Perry Boys mancester and Salford that was about 78 or 79 the mickeys were definitely the first to bring casual as we know it but aside from that i loved listening Martin and reading his books this man is the real deal RIP MARTIN MUFC
Chelsea lad here went up to Liverpool late sixties .we had levi on they had wranglers on.they used to walk behind you and look at the Levi badge on you jeans and know you were from London .and try and rob you
Fair play to Martin. Still scraping the bottom of the barrel with this nonsense, promoting his books full of similar nonsense 'written' by people who've pulled the wool over his eyes. Can only applaud his eye for a pound
@@kevhall7700 ... no mate. You must be mistaking me for someone else. I'm just sat here with a Lefthand fishing rod, waiting to reel in some Chelsea OAP skinhead bluffer who has lost the plot. In my string vest, Verte Valle undercrackers and four stripe trainers from Heckmondwike market as my Metro Day Rover wont get me 'daarn the smoke' to buy clothes .... 👍🙂
The stone island storey in cardiff, is because of the cardiff soul crew, thay were at the top of the football hooligan days then, thay banned all types of brands that associated brands with casuals mainly because the soul crew were always in and around the city due to the fact that the big clubs frm england were playing vcup games and olay off finals at the millennium stadium, Cardiff soul crew were always dressed in stone island, and other top brands, thats why thay were mainly ideneterfied through there dress code, so the pubs and clubs stopped people from coming in to pubs and clubs on the suspicion that thay were hooligans from Cardiff or from clubs in england,,,
How old is Martin, genuinely curious to locate him in respect of football culture ? I have have similar memories but never really part of a youth sub culture , although I was a young working class supporter. A Blades fan
.... fila and sergio didnt take off and footy lads didnt get in to raving. what a load of shite. the casual thing was a YOUTH culture which started in the early 80's .....looking at this guy he was way past his youth by then.
@@robblackmore47 ... yeah. London were into sportswear then fucked it off to be skins again in 1981. Clearly knows his stuff. Muggy right wing Chelsea skin who missed the boat. Fact
Being from London I think he was onto something, as my older brother was a skinhead before he started to wear Pringles and Farah's, I think it was my generation that probably really got into Sergio and Fila before giving most of labels up when house music took over, a few things survived like kickers. And Hip Hop would keep brands like Fila going in the 90s. But we all have our own memories and so it's not so black and white.
I used to live on Coverdale rd and went to St Stephens primary school who remembers parksy sports on the other side of the Uxbridge rd I believe it was Phil parks shop
Shame we lost martin we tweeted each other 2 years before. His books are 'Proper'. I told him he was so wrong about clothing..he was going through the years of fighting at games, the 'Casual' was a thing on its own..the only thing he was ok on was adidas.. has this chat with him but slazenger, patrick etc was poor mans clothes / trainers..it's sad that martin was so wrong about so many stuff i'm 58 i'm cringing at some of the stuff he's talking about..raves you met lads from other firms and 1980 can't wear trainers etc, stone island is embarrassing to wear today. Still a loss.. but it started up north, liverpool. close by Arsenal etc..paypal and online shopping gave us the nu footie lads as many just liked the gear but not the football. Average casual / dresser is between 50 to 65 years old so try emulate or originate but dont tell us you bough a top CP jumper and that makes you a 'Top Boy' oh dear these podcasts are nostalgia for us old school but young ones are using as a learning lesson and trotting off for a slazengar lol if you know you know..but Chelsea the firm ee came across were wearing what we were wearing later the gabbicci, etc was changed to proper gear.
Most of those Chelsea old codgers are full of cobblers. Just sell books to the gullible old gits, who still think it's the early 80's . Well the ones who are not dead. As they keep dropping like flies recently.
Lads always had a fashion fads, beatles, glam rock, bay city rollers, new romantics skinheads mods, rockers but the proper casual started in 1980. Pringle, fila, lacoste, Northerners lee jeans, Adidas, Southerners went Lois gabbicci, pierre cardin etc but spurs and arsenal quickly wore lacoste, ellesse, tachinni full tracksuits we laughed at then it went on burberry, aquascutum rl ysl etc but from 1980 puma, gola, patrick slazenger were seen as the poor man's trainers. Stone island cp is for tits same as anyone wearing burberry caps skinny jeans over 18, hasn't got a clue. it's a shame cos I'm still wearing the same stuff but re bought as 40 years on proper gear doesn't go out of style I'd rather wear a Marco Polo sweatshirt than stone island and the rave scene was loads of footie lads wearing decent clobber and chatting to an arsenal fan all night reminicing like you do in-between gurning next time you see him at a game you ain't gonna have a row with him at a game cos you know him as a geezer not just a gooner. Remember I'm female Martin knew his stuff but not the casual scene we had 4 shops in 1982, hurleys, Stuarts, harrods and your scouse mates who'd bring u back gear from rotterdam etc so it was hard. now it's Internet PayPal and sadly a lot of shops online selling retro gear to people that had a little run but never to be seen in again it was new clothes to us and selling rubbish like a Patrick kagoule for £65 and you wouldn't let your mum wear it to walk the dog. a Peter storm green kagoule was the top one 7 out of 10 scallies wore them I just got a new one £11 Millets. Sold 100s pairs of farahs to lads £65 rrp online casual shops. I got them £4 sports direct only got big sizes left there sent them up and down the country for £4 so see anyone wearing farahs and diadora blame me. I have to wear girlie shoes as trainers and farahs for girls no no sorry for rant I'm buzzing as the other day Bill G. Whufc answered a question that bugged me for 40 odd years #sorted
We had stuarts, hurley harrods in the 80 the stuff some clothing firms trying to bring back crap kappa lyle and scott etc. So not anything to do with the new casuals sorry its the wrong era he's on about
Martin nails it spot on with the clobber over the years , love the Ronnie Corbett jumpers ! Even though I’m chels I can remember West Ham were always in smart clobber in the eighties . Good pod cast Martin.
All the subcultures graced the terraces, from the long haired bell bottoms, with the big collar on the shirts, and the ties, and the high healed shoes and the spooners then the rockers the teds a bit before them,then the skins, punks mods rude boys then the birth ofbthe casuals out of nowhere,,.. great times no matter what order thay were the everlution of foot ball clothing styles,, not sure what bthis guy saw but it depends where you were from,, and what part of the country your from,, iff you were from the north you were influenced by northern soul, clothing,, down south thay were a bit more softer on the clothing thay were able to sauce,,, each city had a different dress scence, depending on the class you came from,, its has simple has that, the casual stories differ tottnham were supposed to the first proper casuals,, thay say the fist clubs from england who went to europ vear the cup games seen the Italians dressed in this golfing and tenis gear, then brought it back to england over time,, with the likes of Liverpool man u, totnham, and other big clubs following suit, uts has simple has that,,, .
I am a gooner the first time I seen anyone dressed up was the liverpool lads they was wearing polos and cagoules straight Jean's and had cool wedge haircuts and Adidas trainers. when I watched Arsenal v liverpool at Wembley in the 79 charity shield .
Apparently, he reckons that Mods came after the hippies. Well Mods were 1964 to about 66/67, then it changed to hippies around 1969, which was the first summer of love. He's a bit confused by the looks of it.
This interview brought back so many memories I remember the Ivy shop it was in Richmond they also sold gibsons and smooths shoes . Awsome shop I used to work in Kings road in the Village gate it was a Saturday job there was also a shop called Cassidys in Kings Road , in Kensington church street there was another good shop called Stanley Adam's I actually had one of there macs. Martin KIng knows the history my next birthday I will be 66 so he must be around the same age.Tassle loafers are still in fashion 2022
Brilliant this fantastic watch well done and so many memories
With regards to who started the casual movement I remember Arsenal wearing Farah trousers shoes and Gabicci tops
The Scousers always were on the rob especially with England big bags of gear they had on them and to be fair they started the straight leg jeans they were the kings of the Adidas trainers trim Trab s and first with the wedge mushroom hairstyles, the explosion took place in London after that big article with the 4 lads in the face magazine that’s when the Tachini Fila La Coste Benetton Pringle thing went crazy and the truth is the scousers dropped out of it because of the cost and went perm hairstyles chunky knitwear patch work jackets while the London boys took it to another level although to be fair I thought Portsmouth were always really snappy 657 boys in their lemon la Coste faded Lois and deer stalkers
Great memories loved those times and yes I remember Stuart’s at Shepherds Bush my very first Pringle was bought from there I wanted a blue one ended up buying a red one but didn’t care was that desperate for one lol
we got to do some stuff together and these memories are just fantastic, those days were just the best years of my life
Soul Boys were the missing link before Casuals '76ish.
The casuals started on the 80s. The end.
Began in the Late 70s popular in the early 80s, peak around 82-83 and ended towards the end of 84.
Started in liverpool...end of
He doesn't even know the basics about skinheads. Skinheads came from Mod, Hard Mod and Rude Boys to be exact. The Scousers didn't go to London for their gear, they went on their Euro travels and lifted their sports/casual clobber. The end.
Martins books were bang on from 80s but gear was deffo up north first outfit was green Peter storm Lee jeans samba, crew neck, then quick to lacoste trimm trabb but some London teams quick to follow..the gear he's on about were the old lads it wasn't classed as casual none of us would wear any of that
Us Bristol boys were Sergio wearing ravers in the 90's heard the Liverpool account many times never really the London version
Scousers and mancs gibbing around Europe. I remember 81 out in Oslo. When we started to started on the transopeno tickets. With hickey. Luxembourg. Smash and grab shopping. It was football and getting as much clobber you could carry. 👏👏🥊😂👍🇬🇧
Superb 💙
Hahahaha nice one Martin 👍🏻
All these brand names, never heard of them LOL. Shows how socially observant I was.
Marti you looking good loving your broadcasts telling it as it is no crap just the story of our times. Be lucky mate big colin wembkey
Casual was a great scene not only for the look but the music that was side by side with it...
BUT
Give me the chelsea skins look anyday....
High leg cherries martins...
Shermans...
Half inch braces...
Roll up jeans or other...
OHHHH YESSSS
Nowadays casual brands ( not only in UK but in Europe as a whole ) Adidas , Puma , Nike , New Balance , Reebok , Diadora , Lyle & Scott , Fred Perry , Sergio Tacchini , Fila , Napapijri , Fjallraven , CP Company , Stone Island , Marshall Artist , Weekend Offender , Three Stroke , Paul & Shark , Henry Lloyd , Aquascutum , Hackett , Lacoste , Umbro , Ellesse , Kappa , Le Coq Sportif , Armani , Hugo Boss , Ralph Lauren , The North Face , Arc'teryx , Mammut , Helly Hansen , Jottnar , Thrudark , Thor Steinar , Pyrenex , Moncler , Under Armour , Alpha Industries , Lonsdale , Everlast , Saucony , Hi - Tec , Lowa , Timberland , MA Strum , Pivert , Boxeur des Rues , Pringle , PG Wear , Ben Sherman...
I would discount at least 17 labels most Football lads would class as Casual clobber from that list.
@@RD-ox3ce I know bro , some of the brands i named are definitely Casual , others although wore by many Ultras can't be considered Casual as The North Face for example , others just named because i like them lol
80's casual brands could be trimmed down to: Fila, Tacchini, Diadora, Adidas, Lacoste, Burberry, Aquascutum, Pringle, L&S and Kappa. All the others like Stone Island etc came way after the original scene had died out. If you had to describe the classic casual dress, it would be L&S polo, Fila track top or LAcoste jumper, Lois or Levi jumbo cords and a pair of Adidas Trimm Trab or Diadora Borg Elite. A leather jacket with a hood or a Burberry blouson if it was cold or wet. Aquascutum scarf, deer stalker hat or similar completed the look.
What about the Perry Boys mancester and Salford that was about 78 or 79 the mickeys were definitely the first to bring casual as we know it but aside from that i loved listening Martin and reading his books this man is the real deal RIP MARTIN MUFC
Brighton was doing that to away fans in the 80s with the boots a lot went in the ground in socks.
Chelsea lad here went up to Liverpool late sixties .we had levi on they had wranglers on.they used to walk behind you and look at the Levi badge on you jeans and know you were from London .and try and rob you
Fair play to Martin. Still scraping the bottom of the barrel with this nonsense, promoting his books full of similar nonsense 'written' by people who've pulled the wool over his eyes. Can only applaud his eye for a pound
is that u baz?
@@kevhall7700 ... no mate. You must be mistaking me for someone else. I'm just sat here with a Lefthand fishing rod, waiting to reel in some Chelsea OAP skinhead bluffer who has lost the plot. In my string vest, Verte Valle undercrackers and four stripe trainers from Heckmondwike market as my Metro Day Rover wont get me 'daarn the smoke' to buy clothes .... 👍🙂
@@kevhall7700 True though same with that Worrall idiot.
"Mitcham tuxedo" lol
The stone island storey in cardiff, is because of the cardiff soul crew, thay were at the top of the football hooligan days then, thay banned all types of brands that associated brands with casuals mainly because the soul crew were always in and around the city due to the fact that the big clubs frm england were playing vcup games and olay off finals at the millennium stadium, Cardiff soul crew were always dressed in stone island, and other top brands, thats why thay were mainly ideneterfied through there dress code, so the pubs and clubs stopped people from coming in to pubs and clubs on the suspicion that thay were hooligans from Cardiff or from clubs in england,,,
Mitcham is Chelsea.
it's a shithole is what it is
How old is Martin, genuinely curious to locate him in respect of football culture ? I have have similar memories but never really part of a youth sub culture , although I was a young working class supporter. A Blades fan
Martin talks of games late 60s and 70s ..then he goes on to 80s where we came in and casuals / dressers began
.... fila and sergio didnt take off and footy lads didnt get in to raving. what a load of shite. the casual thing was a YOUTH culture which started in the early 80's .....looking at this guy he was way past his youth by then.
While he may be older than you, isn't it clear he's been around and knows his stuff?
@@robblackmore47 ... yeah. London were into sportswear then fucked it off to be skins again in 1981. Clearly knows his stuff. Muggy right wing Chelsea skin who missed the boat. Fact
We're in the country are you fila, tachinni did take off then quickly lacoste armani burberry etc..loads of footie lads started going to the raves
Being from London I think he was onto something, as my older brother was a skinhead before he started to wear Pringles and Farah's, I think it was my generation that probably really got into Sergio and Fila before giving most of labels up when house music took over, a few things survived like kickers. And Hip Hop would keep brands like Fila going in the 90s. But we all have our own memories and so it's not so black and white.
Interesting historical account. I fancied myself as a mod but really wasn’t. I’m 67.
We all knew it started at QPR.... Stuarts, Uxbridge Road. :)
I used to go down to Stuart’s and Man at War from Perth in Scotland.
I used to live on Coverdale rd and went to St Stephens primary school who remembers parksy sports on the other side of the Uxbridge rd I believe it was Phil parks shop
Shame we lost martin we tweeted each other 2 years before. His books are 'Proper'. I told him he was so wrong about clothing..he was going through the years of fighting at games, the 'Casual' was a thing on its own..the only thing he was ok on was adidas.. has this chat with him but slazenger, patrick etc was poor mans clothes / trainers..it's sad that martin was so wrong about so many stuff i'm 58 i'm cringing at some of the stuff he's talking about..raves you met lads from other firms and 1980 can't wear trainers etc, stone island is embarrassing to wear today. Still a loss.. but it started up north, liverpool. close by Arsenal etc..paypal and online shopping gave us the nu footie lads as many just liked the gear but not the football. Average casual / dresser is between 50 to 65 years old so try emulate or originate but dont tell us you bough a top CP jumper and that makes you a 'Top Boy' oh dear these podcasts are nostalgia for us old school but young ones are using as a learning lesson and trotting off for a slazengar lol if you know you know..but Chelsea the firm ee came across were wearing what we were wearing later the gabbicci, etc was changed to proper gear.
Most of those Chelsea old codgers are full of cobblers. Just sell books to the gullible old gits, who still think it's the early 80's . Well the ones who are not dead. As they keep dropping like flies recently.
Lads always had a fashion fads, beatles, glam rock, bay city rollers, new romantics skinheads mods, rockers but the proper casual started in 1980. Pringle, fila, lacoste, Northerners lee jeans, Adidas, Southerners went Lois gabbicci, pierre cardin etc but spurs and arsenal quickly wore lacoste, ellesse, tachinni full tracksuits we laughed at then it went on burberry, aquascutum rl ysl etc but from 1980 puma, gola, patrick slazenger were seen as the poor man's trainers. Stone island cp is for tits same as anyone wearing burberry caps skinny jeans over 18, hasn't got a clue. it's a shame cos I'm still wearing the same stuff but re bought as 40 years on proper gear doesn't go out of style I'd rather wear a Marco Polo sweatshirt than stone island and the rave scene was loads of footie lads wearing decent clobber and chatting to an arsenal fan all night reminicing like you do in-between gurning next time you see him at a game you ain't gonna have a row with him at a game cos you know him as a geezer not just a gooner. Remember I'm female Martin knew his stuff but not the casual scene we had 4 shops in 1982, hurleys, Stuarts, harrods and your scouse mates who'd bring u back gear from rotterdam etc so it was hard. now it's Internet PayPal and sadly a lot of shops online selling retro gear to people that had a little run but never to be seen in again it was new clothes to us and selling rubbish like a Patrick kagoule for £65 and you wouldn't let your mum wear it to walk the dog. a Peter storm green kagoule was the top one 7 out of 10 scallies wore them I just got a new one £11 Millets. Sold 100s pairs of farahs to lads £65 rrp online casual shops. I got them £4 sports direct only got big sizes left there sent them up and down the country for £4 so see anyone wearing farahs and diadora blame me. I have to wear girlie shoes as trainers and farahs for girls no no sorry for rant I'm buzzing as the other day Bill G. Whufc answered a question that bugged me for 40 odd years #sorted
We had stuarts, hurley harrods in the 80 the stuff some clothing firms trying to bring back crap kappa lyle and scott etc. So not anything to do with the new casuals sorry its the wrong era he's on about
Martin nails it spot on with the clobber over the years , love the Ronnie Corbett jumpers ! Even though I’m chels I can remember West Ham were always in smart clobber in the eighties . Good pod cast Martin.
All the subcultures graced the terraces, from the long haired bell bottoms, with the big collar on the shirts, and the ties, and the high healed shoes and the spooners then the rockers the teds a bit before them,then the skins, punks mods rude boys then the birth ofbthe casuals out of nowhere,,..
great times no matter what order thay were the
everlution of foot ball clothing styles,, not sure what bthis guy saw but it depends where you were from,, and what part of the country your from,, iff you were from the north you were influenced by northern soul, clothing,, down south thay were a bit more softer on the clothing thay were able to sauce,,, each city had a different dress scence, depending on the class you came from,, its has simple has that, the casual stories differ tottnham were supposed to the first proper casuals,, thay say the fist clubs from england who went to europ vear the cup games seen the Italians dressed in this golfing and tenis gear, then brought it back to england over time,, with the likes of Liverpool man u, totnham, and other big clubs following suit, uts has simple has that,,, .