How osu!'s developer got revenge on cheaters
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- Опубліковано 20 бер 2022
- Throughout osu!'s history many players have attempted to cheat and some ended up getting farther than others. All of these attempts have taught peppy a thing or two, even just from cheaters using the Flashlight mod. What happens when the developer decides to play some pranks on the cheaters? Find out here with the real story of Flashlight cheating from 2010 to 2013.
#osu #osuhistory #cheaters - Ігри
Lmao, the "cheating fuck" addition feels like such a peppy thing to do, love it! haha
That's why i love him
@@heavenlydevil1019 I hate him*
@@MSDOSMemes POV you got banned by peppy
@@MSDOSMemes copium?
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I just imagine the fear in seeing “Cheating F*ck” on your screen while using gama “hacks”. I’m kinda dumb so I would think that the devs are spying on me through my bedroom window.
Why would they be looking through the window? They’re already sitting under your desk
@@HKSilksong kinky
@@PicassosCat im done
@@PicassosCat ok what
@@PicassosCathuuuuh
Peppy is like that one dad everyone has who's chill with his kids but can be deadly when he sees evil in his kids.
So true, who wants their kids to be bad at their dad?
Yeah he’s like a panther. He knows what you did, and you will feel the pain.
It's like old Luke Skywalker when he saw Kylo
@@supermariomistickgames4700 psychopaths :)
@@skelebro9999 But I mean, since they're psychopaths they just do, I mean they don't have much feelings right?
Yeah this also caused a misconception that actually caused people to get banned for using gamma YEARS after this got fixed cause i guess other staff thought it was still considered cheating.
idk if you still actively play osu or not but you should upload more, its been 10 months D:
@@-blaire- i do just very lazy reguarding converting twitch highlights or grabbing replays.
@@Wutever yeah man you gotta upload more big fan
Yeah that's stupid. Get rid of the gradient. Should not be a bannable offense. Rip anyone who needs high gamma as an accessibility feature. 🤡
@@BluecoreG from how it was explained it sounds like its a extremely high gamma
Like not a level you would realistically need
I love how peppy is so chill with the osu community
People hate on peppy too much, dude is a good guy
@@simonlalonde4136 dude's good but his keyboard is ehh
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@@simonlalonde4136 fr
osu is good but peppy sucks
Cheaters in the top 100? You really think we’d let that happen?
It has happened a LOT of times lmao
@@natsu6156 Cheaters in the top 100? You really think we’d let that happen?
@@natsu6156 Cheaters in the top 100? You really think we’d let that happen?
@@natsu6156 smh
@@natsu6156 Cheaters in the top 100? You really think we'd let that happen?
I love peppy's sense of humor
I hate*
@@MSDOSMemes found a cheater 👍
@@niflol she insult my intelligence, it's just
he seems like the kind of guy to hide malware in his game that gets activated if you cheat
@@-..._-. holy shit
I was a CTB player in 2009 to 2011, not sure anyone heard of "Double Screen" cheat, where you setup 2 monitors, one with HD+FL and the other with normal.
And someone just "dual- open" the osu at the same time, and look the normal side, while let the "HD+FL" side score submitted.
This method can be used for all modes, including osu + taiko and ctb.
This ^
Pog super old CTB player hi O____O
didnt know this is a thing...
But back then im playing on a netbook, which is already pretty loaded
yeah that's what people think kevin333g does with all his FL taiko plays
Owo old
I did not know using the gamma tool was considered cheating. I even use it in every tourney I play that involves flashlight, I just thought it was like using a skin to make reading easier or so. Whatever...
gamma isn’t a cheat anymore it’s fixed so the only point is to counter darker sliders
im frowning on u rn
@@Spuirt it still helps a lot tbh
I was thinking the same, it doesn’t strike me as any different from using a skin or modifying your sound output for better quality. It’s not like it requires cheatware either, it’s a basic option in every monitor/computer.
@@joao34386 It's a gray area, but I think the point is that if you're able to see the text as far out as the "cheating fuck" line was, then you were getting an advantage over most players.
A less charged way to do that would have probably been bouncing text saying "you shouldn't be able to see this", but I think the basic point still comes across.
"cheating fuck" spinning around rapidly. Lmao
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I love flashlight. It's pretty annoying while you're trying to learn a map, but it's SOOOOO fulfilling when you get a good FC.
I mean learn it without and then play it with …?
@@Neb-zb2sw What do you mean?
@@andybuscus383 They mean disable Flashlight while you're learning the map then when you are able to play well without it and have the map memorized turn it back on and run again.
@@KazumaGShep Unless the map is really easy or really short, you're almost certainly going to need practice difficulties if you're going to make any kind of significant progress on a map with flashlight. What I'll do is I'll cut a map to it's last 50 or so combo, then keep adding 50 or so combo in front of it, until I have the whole map. After that, I'll FC each practice map until I can do the whole thing. That's how I got 19th on Rockefeller Street.
Imagine somebody who has no idea about the abusing gamma thing, yet has it active, and sees that on their screen asking how they are cheating
It doesn't make sense. If i remember it correctly, the text would only appear when you use the gamma so high that you have advantage using it. (Source : my addicted osu player friend)
@@Oneiroi0 What if they're disabled or have glasses? The gamma would be high so that they can see properly.
@@R.K_Chalkboard dunno, I am just a casual player. Btw, wat do you mean about the glasses?
@@R.K_Chalkboard "or have glasses" LMAOOOOO
@@AALINI sunglasses to look cooler while playing
The "gamma cheat" just seems like something you would do in your computer settings, but its a graphic setting in the game? Weird they even considered that cheating
im pretty sure that the in game gamma setting at max is still not enough for the 'cheating fuck' message. the bottomline would be the pushing of the limits of one's eyes and monitors (by also maxing the gamma of the hardware) just for the easter egg.
@@blackroberts6290 It's probably something like that. Where a player who actually needs high gamma because of their monitor, wouldn't see it. But some one who uses high gamma to be able to see things they're not supposed to, does see it.
@@blackroberts6290 that still wouldn't be cheating though. Because anyone can do it? It just sounds like a failure of the dev to account for that
@@himedo1512 "cheat (verb): act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination."; doesn't matter whether "anyone can do it", most people who know how to download a program on their computer can use an a macro for instance, doesn't mean using one for a rhythm game is fair. EVERY, and i mean EVERY SINGLE exploit in an online game that communicates with a server rather than running entirely on your machine is due to "a failure of the dev to account for something", so i have no clue what point you're trying to make here. are gold duplication glitches in mmos suddenly ok and totally fair to use because it's tecnically the devs' fault for not catching every glitch that could possibly cause it before release?
@hello there you conviently ignore the "unfair" part. it's literally not unfair. And being dishonest isn't directly relevant? How does being dishonest have any inherent relevancy to cheating. Being dishonest is irrelevant if you're not creating an unfair advantage. This isn't unfair, therefore not cheating.
External programs are generally cheating because they're generally against TOS and bannable offenses. Otherwise, they're fine. Its not cheating if its allowed.
A game exploit isn't cheating. Its just trivializing the game. It's no different than grinding in a video game, other than time it takes the player. You cannot blame players for exploiting a devs failures. QA testing exists for a reason.
Imagine if treyarch would put as much effort in anti cheats as peppy did, we could possibly still have god games without spending 69 games out of 80 with cheaters lol
peppy doesn’t actually put that much effort into the anti cheat
@@catgirlow at least he tried to find solutions, treyarch straight up does nothing lol (the little they do can be considered nothing)
@@kagetora03 you're comparing a 3D game rendered by custom coded engine to a 2D game rendered in OpenGL. Osu anti cheat is user mode which is the lowest priveleged anti cheat you can have for a game, for example, VAC. Kernel mode anti cheats are much harder to make.
@@unearthlynarratives_ so are you saying osu should have a kernel level anti cheat? cuz im pretty sure thats way too overboard for a simple game
@@xforce6213 No. I commented on how developing a kernel mode anti cheat is exponentially harder than a user mode one. I don't see osu ever having a kernel mode anti cheat due to it's intrusiveness and complexity.
The "outing people for changing their gamma" seems like it might have created a bunch of bans for people who noticed a small difference in their game or people who just have a bright monitor. Imaging you notice a change in a game you like playing and then get banned because you noticed it, that doesnt exactly sound like a good system.
Yo pog, at 1:38, that's my most played beatmap and I actually passed it too with Flashlight. 12 minute may seem long but this map is not too hard to FL ngl. Not to mention, it's an absolute banger of a mapset and ofc the songs.
Yo pog
Yo pog
What song?
@@Razorcarl The World God Only Knows ~Secrets of the Goddesses~ mapped by Guy
@@AJ1703 thanks
funny how gamma abuse went from turning it up with flashlight to turning it down with ez and a special skin
you forgot about that time it was found that osu took screenshots even when not focused meaning peppy had access to other windows, a rather major privacy breach
4:20 peppy how dare you, you should've just kept it because it's absolutely awesome
That dev naming and shaming them is something I wish all developers would do. Its just too bad that most devs are far too corporate to want to shit on cheaters like that.
Part of why Steam is so toxic. They have banned the entire concept of name and shame...they will ban the reporter every time.
Valve loves cheaters.
That's generally not a good idea. You want to fight cheaters, but you don't want to provoke them. It has been shown time and time again that if you want to pick a direct fight with these kinds of people, they will drop _everything_ to ruin your game, no matter what it takes.
Cheaters and hackers have terribly fragile egos. They love more than anything to be a nuissance, and seeing stuff like that is motivational to them, not intimidating.
It's generally not a good idea because false positives are hard to eliminate. It can be the difference between a chargeback and being liable for defamation.
False positives exist, and it's a scenario you don't want to be in. One example was with a MMO where there was a false positive for years of people getting banned, that was being ignored (basically people going "you deserve the ban" and "hah just another cheater" and being called out), before someone finally had dug down into the details of said program after they were banned. They found the false positives to be just that, and basically outed the devs (which they admitted to after the info got revealed and reverted bans on those that were hit).
Also i find it funny for this game they would ban for gamma adjustments, where as it's an accessibility or QOL with anything else.
i'm surprised someone hasn't found a way to run osu on a separate computer with flashlight mod turned off, synced up the computers, and then looked at the computer with flashlight mod turned off while having their mouse or stylus hooked up to both computers
Split USB the device you use with a code that centers the mouse on each screen when u start the play
You would also have to make sure the PC's themselves are running at the same speed
@@Brisingaro doesn't seem impossible though
edit: i suppose the code that centers the mouse might be detected by cheat engine though
I thought this is bannable though
@@Kearskill well how are the devs going to detect a split usb? hmm...doesn't seem too hard to detect actually
@@offandsphere6788 it seems pretty hard to detect
4:13 Best game dev, hands down. No one can prove otherwise
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@OriginalFake it’s a joke
I mean i like the humor.. but, gamma can't rly be considered cheat when this is literally a visual preference and a normal graphic setting, if u play any FPS, a lot of time u need to change contrast, bright, gamma, etc.. so the visibility become the clearer possible, not to mention superior monitors that have even more options, would all that be considered cheat bcse give advantage? i don't think so, so in the gamma case the fault were totally on the devs themselves for letting this flaw.
Its like the lowering graphics to get rid of the gas, is an obstacle suposed to be there.
Not 100% cheating, but still a dick move.
@@YanYanicantbelievethistakenffs I dont quite agree, sure ur personal view of what is a dick move is up to u, but if i have a option in the game that make the visibility better why shouldnt i use it? for instance, i disable motion blur and depth of field in any game, this make me see clear and aim better, i dont think this is a dick move.
I can agree that abusing a exploit like this one in OSU is a dick move since obviously is a "flaw/bug" that mess the ranks, even though i don't classify as a hack/cheat... Now in your gas example i disagree 100%; if you are talking about a native option of the game dont make any sense i refrain from using it just bcse i have a better GPU than the other dude, i will be prejudiced bcse i can run the game with better graphics? nonsense.
@@YanYanicantbelievethistakenffs Lower end PCs or situations mandate that though. Which likely means then the gas was poorly optimized. This is true in this case... as the developer could've simply tested this once and saw the issue. Basic optimization to make sure everything works would've fixed this.
So now the innocent were hurt in an attempt to stop the cheaters.
@@Buglin_Burger7878 no they don't. You simply don't have to account for computers from 2005
Literally no one is saying high gamma on its own is cheating, genius; your first clue should have been the fact that the exploit was patched not through removing high gamma settings but through remaking the flashlight edges to have less blur. The problem wasn't the actual high gamma, but the fact that the flashlight's edges being blurred led to them unintentionally making the screen being visible on high gamma settings in places that looked completely blacked out on lower gamma. Knowingly exploiting a bug is literally 90% of cheating in multiplayer games; just because it's due to an oversight by the devs doesn't mean it's an intended mechanic, game devs+testers are only human and many glitches slip through the cracks.
I still remember the infamous banwave few years ago and it does show he is not joking when it come of finding cheater although one of the common cheating method people encounter is replay stealing till this day although some of them disguise as leaderboard ranker on lower difficuilty mostly are hard diffs range aroun 3.5-4.5 star with dt mod
Invest in grammar, please.
Great vid broski! Very well structured 🥰
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Amazing video! Keep up the work
I think the idea of considering changing your monitor's settings to be cheating is ridiculous in any context. It just changes the display settings on your monitor. If it gives you an advantage that could be deemed unfair then the problem lies with the game. I've turned my gamma up to high levels in many games that do not properly implement their darkening effects and, while cheesy, I don't think anyone would consider it proper "cheating". Most monitors let you adjust gamma without even having to do anything from the computer, you can usually do it through buttons on the side. I dunno, the whole thing just seems silly.
100% agree. It can be done by anyone and doesn't modify the game files at all. It just sounds like cope from people who didn't think of doing that. And cope from the devs because they didn't account for it
The whole point of flashlight mode is that it's high risk and high reward, to remove the risk so you only profit is fucked especially in a point based competitive game
It's not the brightness itself that was the problem, but the fact that the soft gradient made way more of the screen visible than intended for higher gamma settings. If it was just a spotlight with completely hard edges, gamma wouldn't give you any advantage in seeing the blacked out part of the screen, and no one would have an issue with it.
I've used Nvidia geforce experience filters to defeat too dark dungeons
While it being cheating may be debatable, it's undeniably cheese. Even kids using the contrast dial to get through rock tunnel w/o flash knew they were cheesing it.
That Gamma cheat "fix" is actually kind of BS and anti player. It essentially acts as a "fuck you person who has their gamma up high for reason the game can't possibly know" and then possibly a ban to anyone who has screen or vision issues that require there gamma to be up high for any reason. Don't ban or harry people for changing display settings, you don't know why they changed it. It's also fucking over the game play for someone playing in high gamma mode is super anti accessibility. Program the game and make assets so that it preforms the same under all settings for display, or cut your losses and accept the possibility of "cheating" in this very mild way.
Seriously it's the game dev mentality of "fuck over a hundred innocent people if it keeps the cheaters out" like the dev is Henry J. Waternoose III from monsters Inc.
You don't get to tell someone how to maintain their game. You've done nothing to earn the right to and, honestly, if what he decides to do to obvious cheaters is that bad people would stop playing the game. If the game is still popular, then he is in the right. So sayeth consumerism.
@@E.G.1005 "You don't get to tell someone how to maintain their game." I do get to have an opinion on how game should be made and an opinion on what is and isn't acceptable for a game to be built and programed to do and to voice that opinion in as strong or weak a way as I please.
"You've done nothing to earn the right to and, honestly, if what he decides to do to obvious cheaters is that bad people would stop playing the game." You've done nothing to earn the right to tell me I can't.
Beyond that how is "has the gamma up high on a video game" an indication of obvious cheaters?
The game change IS that bad it starts with people like me calling the issue out to the attention of others who then may or may not agree and if enough do agree they say "hey fuck you dev, not cool" and stop playing. You've got the chain of events wrong. People notice bad things, talk about bad thing, and THEN take action about bad thing.
"If the game is still popular, then he is in the right." Because no dev that has made a "currently popular" game has ever or can ever be shit and bad and wrong on various things up to and including game design.
"So sayeth consumerism." So sayeth consumerism indeed. This consumer says it's shit and needs fixed and won't be playing until it is.
@@GaleGrim right but somewhere along the way everyone decided that freedom of speech trumps what/how you say it.
Your opinion stops being free when you start pushing your own values into the topic. If you had stuck with "the gamma fix is bs" I'd silently disagree with you and be on my way. But you don't get to say how he should do things. All you get is the opportunity to disagree.
Even if you had experience or expertise dealing with the issue, it wasn't requested and it isn't valid.
@@E.G.1005 You alone don't get to determine if what I say is valid.
I am not required to wait for you or anyone else to request for me to voice my opinion on how things should be done.
My opinion never stops being free, no ones opinion does. No not even when I or they start pushing their/my own values into the topic.
Further more, if not my own, then who's values AM I supposed to push into the topic? One can't comment on or discuss any topic without pushing their values into it. That's how having an opinion works and how engaging with a topic works in general. You your self are pushing your values into the topic by valuing the dev's ability to not be told or read how they should handle something over my expression of opinion on the topic and what should be done.
I do get to say how he should do things when how he seems to think in terms of development is pretty obviously shitty and bad to my purview.
I do in fact get to say how he should do things when he does them WRONG to my purview.
At no point am I obligated to filter what/how I say something beyond what is minimally necessary to being understood.
Just because I say something you don't agree with in a way you don't like doesn't make me wrong or mean my right to say it is revoked as consequence.
Please stop defending a shitty indie dev who did the development equivalent of shitting all over people who are disabled visually and/or working with limited equipment and need to turn up the gamma.
The only thing I don't get to do is directly force the dev to alter or update the game with the appropriate fix to the problem they screwed up through illegal means.
End of exchange. I won't be responding further as I feel you will simply double down and and stick your heels in the ground on this and that further discussion will be fruitless. The lack of response from me going forward will not be because I'm wrong but because it's a waste of time. If and when a response is made that has a decent point I MAY respond to THAT if I feel like it. If I don't feel like it there will be naught but silence.
dude if you don't even play osu keep your nose out
they can send an appeal and staff would look at their case or maybe even unban them, but of course it depends on whether they were cheating or not
just because you can write a fucking essay in a youtube comment doesn't mean you're smart
Why would something like gamma settings be abusing and an unfair advantage? As you said, everyone has access to it, noone is at a disadvantage
Everyone can get an autoclicker. Why is it bannable to use an autoclicker?
@@playakatsukirelax something i don't understand aswell, makes lives much easier
@@playakatsukirelax
Brightness and gamma settings are accessibility features. Not cheating to make so you can actually see on your computer 💀
I keep fucking having to copypaste this shit but: No one is saying high gamma on its own is cheating, genius; your first clue should have been the fact that the exploit was patched not through removing high gamma settings but through remaking the flashlight edges to have less blur. The problem wasn't the actual high gamma, but the fact that the flashlight's edges being blurred led to them unintentionally making the screen being visible on high gamma settings in places that looked completely blacked out on lower gamma.
Willy with another banger! always interesting on how dev's stop cheats or "unfair" advantages in their game.
Fighting games have this big time mostly a moral thing given the tool can be undetacted by the anti cheat, then the consistant battle of keeping the game and the cheat updated.
Peppy is the kind of dev we'd like to have in the teams working on the games we play.
Gamma is an adjustment needed for some monitors that are bad at contrast, my laptop has a tn panel and I need to crank it to 100 in most games just to reach the recommended brightness.
Pretty sure the gamma issue is more of devs being ignorant for not fixing it themselves as it is a common feature in monitors
Which is why... drumroll... it was patched. "devs being ignorant for not fixing it themselves" No shit sherlock! That happens in games, pretty regularly. Believe it or not, game devs aren't omniscient and things slip through the cracks.
I feel like this is an option in several low visibility game modes, regardless of the game. Speed runners of several RPGS abuse brightness options in dark levels to reach a similar effect, and while that’s less of an issue as more people will do it it’s obnoxious to watch as a viewer because it makes the game look significantly worse
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I love how peppy shows his personality. It helps you understand him
This is similar to the slowdown in mirrors edge or the serious Sam invincible enemy that would follow you everywhere. People would complain online about a glitch only pirates would see only to reveal themselves as the pirates. I think there was one group, don't remember exactly, that did video editing tutorials that hat to fight piracy and they released made and released a fake tutorial onto a torrent site and had multiple people complain about the new tutorial being all weird and, iirc, demanded refunds for a product that was never on sale to begin with.
the hidden message is absolutely hilarious. love it.
3:43 well technically, anyone could also hack in osu
Well there a huge difference between going to your monitor settings and changing it a bit than searching and buying cheats from cheat makers.
The hall of shame was the most savage thing I've seen a developer do lol
Would be funny if horror game and other devs implemented stuff like that to troll people who up settings to see things easier lol
I don't think changing normal monitor settings should ever be considered cheating. Sounds like a gameplay design flaw more than anything else...
weird to see video about cheating in game which i have never even heard about, nice video anyway.
peppy is always cool 😎
Good video, as always.
I’m sorry but changing gamma on a monitor doesn’t count as cheating. At that point it’s just a game mechanic.
Great video! I enjoyed watching it
Gamma adjustment? Honestly, I wouldn’t consider that cheating since it’s a setting everyone has access to, rather than modifying the same itself
Flashlight is a mod in osu! which reduces the visibility of the screen to a small circle around the player's cursor.
This area around the cursor only makes it slightly harder for objects close together, but as they get farther, memorization is needed to perform well.
The circle of visibility also reduces in size when the player builds up 100 and then 200 combo, making it even more difficult to see.
For your effort to memorization, you’re rewarded with extra score, and even extra performance points. That’s the basic summary of Flashlight.
I'm not sure you and I have the same definition of "revenge", but the video was well made and I enjoyed it despite the title giving me a different impression of what the video would be.
How is turning up a setting on a monitor cheating? That's like saying using a 360hz monitor is cheating in an fps game.
did you even watch the video? turning up gamma (used to) make the mod a lot easier to play and it was fixed already. people still use it to read high ar and it's not really considered cheating anymore
@@minami3747 It shouldn't have ever been considered cheating in the first place instead it should have just been fixed and explained that they fucked up with how they set it up to work initially. For me it is very clear that this is not what should have been done in response to this since there are valid reasons to have your gamma settings turned way up or down, it is good that it is fixed now but that doesn't mean that the developer handled it the right way to begin with.
It has been a decade since i played this game
Luckily Nobody can Detect My Cheats Right now...
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this game give me tendinitis just by looking at it
Now I understand why I got banned once a few years ago. They did not state the ban reason, but I sent a support request email and they lifted the ban 2 days after.
My laptop's monitor (default) looks a bit dark to me, so I crank up the gamma and contrast a bit to make it look white-ish, which is more comfortable to see at night. That may be the reason back then.
No way they can detect that, though?
@@sasdagreat8052 Maybe they query all monitor setting values and detect changes in them?
But you're right, there should be no way they can detect that.
@sarahkatherine8458 wouldn't that get really invasive?
Maybe making a tier of the best rhythm games on steam or in the world that would be really interesting
I been playing full gamma on laptop for year and i never play flashlight
I honestly stopped playing 6 years ago because I found myself getting at most #25 on most new maps and then all the cheaters came in. I was no longer one of the big boys anymore. I fell off the board and even lost actual friends because of it.
Should have made it so that they had to turn their gamma up so much it scorched their monitor.
peppy is so scary dude
Yo is Peppy from Perth? Damn
As someone who doesn't play Osu!, I'd argue that increasinv gamma isn't cheating, but a normal part of setting up the video game to your personal preferences.
No one is saying high gamma on its own is cheating, genius; your first clue should have been the fact that the exploit was patched not through removing high gamma settings but through remaking the flashlight edges to have less blur. The problem wasn't the actual high gamma, but the fact that the flashlight's edges being blurred led to them unintentionally making the screen being visible on high gamma settings in places that looked completely blacked out on lower gamma.
Well I can agree that modifying files is a no. But changing monitor settings is a fair game unless specified somewhere in license and this is still a stretch.
By that logic macros should also be allowed since they're not modifying the game files, either. The people in this video are gained an unfair advantage due to an oversight by the devs, and it was then patched to make the game visibility field more equal for players with all settings, making the game more fair for everyone. Cry about it.
@hellothere9520
Just for clarification your logic explanation doesn't make sense. One item is a function literally built into the equipment that is in every monitor. Another you have to get either specialized equipment or programs...
Honestly the gamma boost is kinda like changing to 4:3 in CSGO
Except 4:3 is literally the exact opposite of that
All it does is crops the sides of your screen
Never played it, decided to give it a go, got banned right away
There will always be chapter, thats just too sad
interesting video, loved it!
peppy is a scary dude
It's funny how he put a "removed replies counter" under one of the posts
Gamma isn't cheating, it's literally just using available computer/game settings. That just sounds like cope from people who didn't think about it. There is no unfair aspect as everyone can do it, and there is zero game modification
"As everyone can do it"
Why isn't auto bots allowed? Doesn't modify the game, everyone can do it.
@@Artixxl not just available computer/game settings. Cope
It fits under exploiting an unintended advantage; by your logic exploiting gold duplication glitches in mmos isn't cheating either. They literally patched the damn advantage out without sacrificing the actual intended functionality of the setting but cope.
@hello there correct. It's not cheating. it's an exploiting a glitch. The only person at fault is the devs for allowing it to happen. Using glitches isn't cheating. It's just going against the devs' intent. These are not the same. I see no issues with using glitches, though it's your own fault if using glitches trivializes the game for you. And its not unfair as everyone can do it.
@@himedo1512 Dude, what? When you are deliberately cheapening the experience for others who play as intended by putting your illegitimate scores on leaderboards intended for those players and not players who abuse exploits, how is it "their own fault" if that rightfully trivializes their hard work for them? Those leaderboards are meant to reflect actual skill in the game, not for people who want an easy way to appear more skilled than they are; again, how is misrepresenting how you got your scores not cheating?
If you want to use glitches in a singleplayer game by all means do it, but the moment you start using them to get ahead in a competitive setting that presumes playing the game as intended, you are a cheater. Knowingly using dishonesty/misrepresentation of your tactics in a way that gets around a competition's rules is cheating, no matter how many technicalities you try to use to justify it as "techinically" not being cheating. You are misrepresenting yourself as being better at the game than you actually are, thereby taking the spot of a player who is actually better at the damn game. This undermines the entire point of a leaderboard.
peppy being based AF as always
Darkness isn't a rare gameplay element because it annoys people, it's rare because cheaters exist and devs want to give the best chance against the cheaters as possible.
Ppy is a madlad
I saw the beginning on the video on stream and thought it was for a FL player, This is better.
We need more developers using malicious compliance to do their jobs. Like peppy he could have fixed the flashlight issue in kther ways but the way he did it just spotlights cheaters woth that hall of shame and so on.
crazy they got the name OSU you'd think the school or football team would come after them for that.
Sending a screenshot of this video in a Discord group chat, I suddenly realise my secondary monitor's gamma setting is turned way higher up than my main display! Couldn't even see the "cheating f**k" otherwise. ;w;
Additionally, monitors look kind of odd when viewed from either a low or high angle... and since my secondary display is rotated veritcally, it's like the gamma dynamically changes depending on my head's position. >.
Nice video!
"There will be cheaters" - shows Forsaken
Touché
Record non flashlight osu game. Playback video behind osu wile using somthing like glass2k to make is transparent.
How is using a resource (gamma) everyone has access to considered cheating?
Its completely fair
Happy birthday OSU!Flashlight mode
Honestly, all the "cheats" that can be done without modifying the game per se I consider them as legit.
TASbot can then submit legitimate runs, then.
Macros?
@@capsaicin5332 I'm talking of things that would be allowed on a speedrun.
@@RucadiDev ah yes. the osu speedrun, a speedrun that definitely exists and even has a clear ruleset! be fr
So how did ppy get revenge? I've watched the whole video and I'm still waiting on the revelation...
Ever heard of clickbait?
1:26 use a program to generate a circle instead of a texture
>turning up display brightness is cheating
what a joke
the game is open source, you can just compile it with the flashlight see through..
"Cheating fuck" circling around the screen is fucking hilarious for osu
holy shit i thought osu was like a year or two old not 14+
I'm not sure if this would work, but I feel like a possible anti-cheat solution would be to run a check in the code to see if pixels in a certain area are still black. If the flashlight files were modded so that the screen was still visible, the color checking code would automatically detect the non-black pixels and ban the user automatically. Shadow banning could also be another possibility so they keep playing without knowing they're banned (unless they check the leaderboards and notice their score isn't showing up)
EDIT: To clarify, I only was talking about the file hack, NOT the gamma monitor hack
That couldn't work, monitor gamma cannot be caught by a game, the game will read the same color for the pixel as if the monitor was at normal gamma
@@TBiscuit1 I didn't mean for the gamma hack, I was just talking about the the hack where they edit the game files so the overlay doesn't appear anymore.
@@PenguinjitsuX Oh yeah that one could be caught (maybe just have a copy inside the exe so it can compare and boom easy)
“Gamma hack” bro what 💀💀💀
Checking whether all of the pixels are the correct color every frame is probably the least efficient solution imaginable lol; seriously, you'd be lucky if you could get 2 frames per second with all that extra processing overhead. All the server really needs to do to accomplish this exact thing is check that the code used to display flashlight mode (as well as an image, if there is one; I forget whether it's programatically created or just an image overlay lol) is unmodified one time before the song even starts.
0:50 2008? what I thought Osu came out in the late 2010's what the heck
The overlay was modified to give everybody the same advantage whether using gamma changes or not. Somehow there are people in your comments still upset about this? Wild 🤣
I don't understand, how is it an unfair advantage when it's easily accessible to everyone for free?
Its more of a moral thing. The game is putting certain restrictions on the player but the player is basically disregarding a high percentage of said restrictions to get more points easier when at the same time other players have not done so and still get the same amount of points as someone who didn't put as much effort into it.
Anyways it isn't an unfair advantage anymore, thanks to the fix gamma isnt considered cheating nowadays.
In the same way that abusing a gold duplication bug in a game would be cheating: knowingly using an uncaught exploit to gain an unfair advantage over the other players.
Chadest Game developer ever.
Imagine cheating in a rythm game.
If I was a developer of a game and I caught someone cheat. Only god knows what will happen next
Damn, you're tough bro,
Relying on player honesty on the mechanic and blaming the player for using mechanic that dev have no way of detect it, and was implemented in nearly all monitor is a cry baby action for dev.
If he just fix it, not sending a message like that, then I will praise him. It’s like he says “how dare you took advantage of my bad implementation on opacity overlay”.
i just found out there's an user which is from argentina and i am from argentina...
Honestly, the gamma exploit shouldn't be considered cheating.
Osu is just proof that humans will always rise to break the limit.