Villains Who Were Kinda Right??
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Villains are usually the bad guy, but were some of them kind of in the right? In this video I'm laying down my hammer of morality to determine who the most virtuous villains were.
Join me as we descend into moral ambiguity and the complex, often misunderstood world of iconic villains. Are some antagonists justly motivated, or are they simply cloaked in the guise of righteousness? In this episode, we navigate the murky waters of moral ambiguity, examining iconic figures like Carrie White from Stephen King's "Carrie," the tragic creation in Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, and the enigmatic Mr. Glass. I'll be breaking them down and questioning whether their actions were driven by evil intent or if they had a twisted sense of justice.
As we dissect these intricate characters, including Joseph Seed from Far Cry 5 and the vigilante Light Yagami from Death Note, we confront the challenging notion of what truly defines a villain. I'll be looking at what they did from all angles, leaving you to ponder the thin line between right and wrong.
Chapters:
00:00 - Are there virtuous villains?
00:37 - Intro
01:27 - They Deserved It Tho
04:20 - Made Sacrifices for the Greater Good
08:46 - Vigilante Justice
11:00 - The Puppet Villain
15:15 - Just Doin’ His Thang
17:25 - They Were Only Bad to Us
19:50 - So What Does It All Mean?
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This is a new format for me. Should I do this kind of video again in the future or stick to the classics?
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Carrie is a victim of child abuse and abuse at school. She’s not a hero but she never had the chance to ever be loved or happy. Maybe it’s because we get a look into Carrie’s home life that we feel sympathetic towards her.
I think I kinda agree with CZ. We are looking at it from her perspective so most are sympathetic and understanding. But imagine looking at it as an outsider, how is it different than a school shooter? Or the many “criminals” in our every life. We don’t know how they exactly grew up, and what made them do it. But if we saw the context, then would you feel that same sympathy?
@@ThePilleroflightningI personally don't. I understand that from an outside perspective, she's a monster but an argument could ne made that her mental and (maybe) physical abuse from her mother caused her psyche to break. What Carrie does could be displayed as a full on mental breakdown. This does not justify her action but explains them
CZ kinda doesn't touch on that fact and it really irritated me
@@ThePilleroflightningyes and you are talking as if feeling sympathy for Carrie is a result of some emotional manipulation and that people like her and school shooters should be villainized. For whatever crime there's always a backstory
@@jerrykim7777 Tbf the video was considering whether the characters were villains or not based on their actions, he even stated that he wasn't going too into each individual villain. And honestly, though every crime has a backstory it doesn't change what it is, a crime. Why wouldn't someone who takes away human life due to their circumstances be called a villain? It is very different from attacking the source of your abuse. Explaining their actions does not change the fact that they've done wrong. Obviously what they've been through should not be brushed aside but your second comment comes across like they had no choice but to do what they did. I don't recall the movies very well but in the book, Carrie trained and chose to not only target those who've wronged but her entire town. Imagining all the families ruined because of one person's outburst shouldn't be seen as anything less than evil. She was a victim but ultimately she became evil. Also, I apologise for my long reply.
Carries victims might have been victims but they certainly aren't innocent victims
A lot of villains fit under “Right message, wrong messenger”
Or maybe the wrong delivery?
@@DrDolan2000 I think that's the same thing; if the message had a different messenger, it would be a different delivery anyway.
Yeah, reminds me of the phrase “great idea, terrible execution.”
@@XxStrawberryBobaTeaxX i also like "cool motive, still murder"
JOKER: "I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve."
I feel like people forget that victims can become villains
They only remember it when the bad guys get hit by the consequences of their actions but almost never when the good person victim has finally had enough
Agreed. The eye for an eye mentality tends to blindside people into thinking a victim can do no wrong, which is definitely not true
Classic victim to victimizer
I wanted to clarify something, Dylan and Eric of Columbine were not bullied. Eric was pretty popular, but he was a psychopath, he manipulated a depressed Dylan and turned him angry and violent. That's not to excuse Dylan, he made the choice to participate, he deserves the blame he gets. They weren't bullied kids seeking vengeance on their tormentors, they taunted a number of their victims before shooting them.
Yes! The whole “they were bullied” myth was expelled several years ago.
A video explaining this well was done by Ask a mortician, the myths of Colombine have been so damaging to society as a whole
this massacre capitalised on that assumption that young white men who commit these acts are always bullied: Ronald Markman wrote about this particular profile.
Basically like the Manson "family"
I'll never forget how they taunted the Christian girl before they killed her. She had been going down a bad path that could have lead to overdose or teen pregnancy, and turned herself around by finding comfort in religion and getting on the road to recovery and then they just shot her.
Fun fact about Jaws, Steven Spielberg said that he thought the characters from the book were so awful that he was rooting for the shark.
I remember that.
Another fun fact, I live in the town where jaws 2 was filmed!
Having read the book: yup. This exactly.
Additional fun fact, the author of the book has said that if he knew how hated Sharks would had gotten after that movie he'd never written the book in the first place.
@masterraccoon2883 on UA-cam or…
I always found Carrie's mom to be more of the villain than Carrie
Almost everyone in that movie was a villain.
@gojewla the only characters that weren't was the gym teacher, Sue, and Tommy
I could see that
@@gojewlaCarrie wasn't the bad guy here
@@miagrass I never said she was.
On the subject of Light Yagami. People who believe he's the hero, often don't realize that he didn't intend to just stop at convicts. He was going to rid the world of lazy people and people he deemed "worthless" as well. Yeah what he did was some good, successfully reducing the crime rate and stuff (out of fear) but his intentions were to take it much further.
And not only that they forgot that he was hes killed police officers and was planning on getting rid of the police entirely
I agree somewhat with you, but there are variances in opinions,such as -
1. Light Yagami was supposed to be the hero of Death Note, but not the "hero" we think of. In Actuality, Light is supposed to be a stand-in for Lucifer/Satan, who was the best among angels, but chose to engage in rebellion against God i.e. the established order and as a result, fell from Grace.
2. Light's motivation for using the Death Note was noble, minus the God Complex. As Light went further, he got hurled into a downward spiral and ,his God Complex also got more powerful.
3. The whole point of the story was to illustrate the point that Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Exactly. I'm always very wary of people that consider Light to be the hero. He is low-key a nazi. Even before he finds the Death Note he takes so much pride in his intellectual superiority and considers himself to be "Japan's best and brightest" and sees all of his peer as being beneath him.
Also wanted to throw in the fact that Light started killing people who were murderers and heiness criminals but with the famous potato chip scheme killed a purse snatcher and an embezzler, I'm not saying criminals are 100% evil or 100% good but I don't think a purse snatcher is on the same scale of evil as a mass Murderer, just saying Light
@@americancreepshow That very first guy he killed was just harassing a woman on the street, right?
Light was not a vigilante. He was self-righteous narcissist who killed to also serve his own purpose.
I can't wait for the "Heroes that were kinda wrong??" video, lol
It's really disturbing when you look at traditional comic book heroes through an adult lens and realize their first answer to problem-solving is almost always violence. Like at a psychotic and almost narcissistic level.
Hank from BB!
Batman.
The Flash (CW) Own Self can be that and Not just talking about Savitar though
Here's the thing. Carrie was and wasn't in the right because she deserved revenge on her mother and the kids that tormented her, but murdering her whole town is what made her a villian. What makes Frankenstein so interesting as a story is that the reader ultimately decides who is and isn't the villain. For example to me Victor is the villain, creating a being and then abandoning said being to fend for itself is cruel, and then when given the opportunity to stop the killings and make up for his wrongdoings he doesn't take it and Elizabeth pays for his selfish acts.
I believed Victor was the villain for the fact of the ending and that he basically got away with it
@@jasonmaclean719 He basically just cries about everything that is happening to the people he loved when he could have easily saved their lives. Walton seeing himself through Victor makes me believe if he hadn't had met the creature at the end he would have been just like Victor, selfish.
@@user-en7ny2so3n like ogres and onions, you get more out of the movie as you peel the layers. To me it's not just a cautionary tale to not meddle. I also think it's terribly tragic what happens to the creature.
To be fair, the creature just ran away when Victor fell unconscious. At that point, he couldn't really do anything about it.
@@QueenOfDarknes5 I don't know if your referring to one of the movie adaptations, but in the novel (i had to reread this part because i didn't want to prove myself without evidence lmao) after he sees the creature alive he runs off to his room and sleeps, when he wakes up the creature is smiling at him and he runs off into the streets and doesn't come back till the next day when Clerval asks to see his apartment when he realizes that the creature has ran off. On the one hand its not his fault the creature ran off on the other it was a life he created and was responsible for so it's as i said up to the readers interpretation 🤷♀
So one I thought of that wasn't mentioned is Dracula from the Castlevania show. he kept peace and even was willing to help people but when the girl he liked was killed for medical practices with the town saying she was a witch he still gave them a year to repent but they didn't so he took evil action.
You're right, they even were CELEBRATING the day of her death, she tried to help people with all the knowledge he gathered through out his immortal life, but she got burned alive for it, before that he used to punish just the people who wronged him (the story about the merchants that he let their families escape and killed only them) it was just severe heart break and anguish, a much more extreme version of "Law Abiding Citizen" I guess
He's the true tragic villian yea
I honestly consider Carrie's mother as the true villain there. Carrie definitely isn't justified to end the lives of innocent people, but the mother's treatment is part of what made Carrie consider everyone around her as being against her. So, the mom is the cause for so many innocent people losing their lives as she pretty much set it all in motion.
Because mommy treated you bad, it means it's her fault that YOU killed people? Uh, no.
@@prezidenttrump5171 Both of them are at fault. Just saying that I consider the mother to be the main villain since the daughter didn't really have anyone except for the teacher to teach any compassion or common sense while she was surrounded by only hate otherwise. But Carrie still had the common sense not to kill innocent people.
Saying the mom is the main source of the problem doesn't mean that I'm excusing what Carrie did. _Main_ villain doesn't mean _only_ villain.
The whole idea of saying you need to be 'taught' compassion and common sense is just so wrong. She was a horrible mother with a screwed up kid. They're both villains who exert their pain and frustration on the world. They added some mother being bad BS to help the audience sympathize with at least SOMETHING.
I can't remember the details, but there wasn't ANYBODY who liked Carrie?@@JewelWildmoon
@@prezidenttrump5171 I'd say it kind of achieved that goal then since the whole debate around Carrie seems to be pretty controversial in discussions.
I'll have to watch it again, but I remember it was a teacher who liked her and one girl who hung out with the bullies and slowly became more sympathetic towards Carrie. Her and the teacher were the only two that she spared (at least in the remake).
I also said they're both villains and that I just think the mom kind of created the domino effect that led to everything crashing down. You don't have to be "taught" compassion and common sense. What I meant by that is that people develop it naturally and they tend to develop more resentment if they're surrounded by mainly hate. But, that doesn't excuse it. I'm saying that it explains why she doesn't seem to have any.
@@prezidenttrump5171It's not just abuse. It's a decade and a half of constant lying and misguiding her on morality. She wasn't right to do what she did. But she didn't know better.
Alessa Gillespie from the Silent Hill movie could be a more morally right “they deserve it”. Like Carrie, Alessa was bullied, s*xually assaulted, and burned alive by the cult members, and she was basically taking revenge on them. Unlike Carrie tho, Alessa didn’t intentionally target innocent people. Instead, for the police officer who rescued her from the fire, she rewarded him with eternal youth. And although Rose (the protagonist) went though absolute hellish horror, she endured no actual physical damage, which is something given the whole mess. By morally right I don’t mean every abused person should do the same. However, once in a while there has to be the tale of a Carrie/Alessa/Kim Bok-nam/whoever, to remind people that there can be consequences even if they’re not judged by the law.
Honestly I don't even see alessa as a villain in the first silent hill movie tbh. Those townsfolk got what they deserved
@@NeloBladeOfRanni In the narrative, she is. Being "the villain" is from the narrative's perspective. I swear there's an RPG that has the villain constantly getting in the heroes' way, but it turns out the heroes were tricked by another villain and the first one was trying to prevent a catastrophe. Magus from Chrono Trigger is a villain for a bit of the game, but gets overshadowed by Lavos, whom he wants to kill. However, he started a war and had a queen kidnapped to further his goal of saving the world (and getting revenge).
alessa kept her trapt in that world though.... she was still evil...
and alessa did in fact burn the whole town of silent hill....
@@jodinovotny1985 she burnt the whole town after what they did to her. Karma is a bitch
Frankenstein's Monster is not a villain, Victor Frankenstein is. NOT because he messed with the natural order, but because he created a life then shunned and scorned it, dooming it to loneliness and anguish.
Can we all agree Pennywise was the most supportive villain of all time. I mean he ate children but just to survive. Besides that, he helped them all get over their fears, got Beverly away from her abusive father and husband. Helped each one grow as a person and when he was on the verge of his actual death, his last words are to award them for growing up.
This is not the hill to die on man. It just isn't.
@@TheStudioArchitecthes kinda like jaws because his entire existence is made to be the personification of evil and fear is he really evil if its what he was meant to do kinda like how is a soldier a murder if he was trained for it
This is stupid. You’re finding ways that aren’t technically true to support him being good. He never had intentions do good or any of what you listed except eat children, whether it was to survive or for pleasure. Just because some good things happened as a result of his evilness does not make him good. You can say that about every evil person on earth.
What's not in the movies is that Carrie's bullies had been doing this kind of torment since elementary school. The pig blood scheme wasn't just prank, but an elaborate plot to inflict even more harm on someone who'd done absolutely nothing to them. Not only was this scheme orchestrated by someone bitter that she got punished for being a bully (the tampon incident), but her actions got Carrie's date killed when the metal bucket hit him in the head. Granted, the innocent people present at the prom didn't need to die, too. But Carrie literally had a psychotic break when that pig blood drenched her and she went nuclear.
Sympathetic doesn’t mean right. She burned the entire town down too. And by the time she got home she was still murderous. She’s absolutely sympathetic, but that doesn’t justify the results. We’d still send her to an institution or jail irl.
This is mostly just the difference between justified feelings versus justified actions in my opinion. It's dangerous to assume that her actions were justifiable because her feelings were justified. I was bullied to the point of changing schools twice and chronic PTSD. I definitely wished some horrible gruesome things on those people and I still to this day feel 100% justified in those feelings. They absolutely tortured me to the point of physical and mental scarring, but nothing would excuse me lashing out violently against them, let alone innocent bystanders. I can understand blind rage and losing control, but that doesn't absolve her of the blame. Even a psychotic break is something you have to accept the burden of and take responsibility for. Carrie still did those things, so she cannot allowed to walk freely. Institutionalization would be the absolute minimum for sure.
The town turned a blind eye to abuse her entire life. Also you could argue its part of her nature since the powers come from the devil.
As someowho has gone beyond that breaking point multiple times (not murderously, though that's been a real possibility sometimes),I absolutely see both sides of the Carrie coin. I actually have tried to institutionalize myself, and been turned away because, how can anyone be crazy enough to own it?! Closest I got was when I called 911 on myself, requested to go through (and was accepted into) Mental Health Court, and actually got diagnosed as BPD 25 years after it became obvious--and verified that I was getting the right treatment. Knowing the right words to use is powerful!
Carrie did things wrongly, but once that camel's back breaks, innocent straws can get caught in the ... landslide? Mixing metaphors, though I hope it makes sense.
Cool motive still murder.
Interesting thing about Light is that his name is written with the Kanji for moon, which doesn't give off its own light; it just appears to. That's pretty on the nose for someone whose presentation is that of someone "doing the right thing," but isn't actually. He's killing because he wants to. Like the moon, "Light" is just a façade. If you want to say the moon gives off it's own light, it's because you want to despite knowing it doesn't. If you want to say Light was doing the right thing, it's because you want to despite doing he doesn't.
Very cool, I never knew that.
To be fair, Carrie, just like Frankensteins monster, didn't know any better as well, she grew up in an abusive household, then go to school just to get bullied and beat on, all she's ever known is anger and such, so she didn't really have a good chance to begin with
If you were abused, would you say you wouldn't know better? No, you'd say you wouldn't do it despite your abuse. Stop projecting on other people what you wouldn't do yourself.
@@prezidenttrump5171I wouldn’t say she didn’t know better but there is the cycle of abuse. A lot of people find it hard to break out of it.
True, but the book shows how deeper than what we see.
Billy Loomis in Scream never really made sense to me. Billy was pissed off about his parents' divorce so killed a bunch of people who werent involved at all. Also went after Sidney who had nothing to do with it. So like what is he really accomplishing? Also dragged in Stu, who seemed to have no idea of Billy's motive and just wanted to kill
you should watch the Billy Loomis by CZsWorld
Maybe his friends parents weren’t divorced I don’t remember
His motivation for targeting Sidney is stated in the movie - he perceives her mother to be the reason for his parents divorce. Sidney's mother had an affair with Hank Loomis and his wife found out. Even though Maureen's actions aren't Sid's fault, Billy takes out his feelings about her mother onto her. Also, he's just a narcissist and sees everyone around him as only there to serve his purpose. He needed an accomplice so he could have an alibi, and Stu was an easy choice.
@@river1216 I know his motivations it just seemed dumb to use them as a reason to go after Sidney
@@leet7489 dude just watch the video I told you
I think a lot of people misunderstand something when it comes to this topic.
Just because a character is sympathetic doesn’t mean their actions are justified. They can be of course, but that’s not always the case.
Villains/Antagonists got here a lot of the time. Especially if a story is told from their point of view.
"People don't chose to be evil, they misinterpret it for the happiness in which they seek" - Somebody
Somebody was so wise
“People don’t choose evil, evil chooses them.”
Just because an antagonist is chasing happiness, doesn't mean they don't recognize their actions are evil and they do it anyway. Some just don't care.
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@@Lutherstrode17492 no it doesn't, evil isn't sentient, everyone has the free will to choose their actions.
I think the reason too that Carrie gets sympathy is that her attack was completely unplanned unlike a school sh**ting which IS VERY planned. In the DePalma version we could see Carrie's mother was a loon and the few mentions of the dad make it seem he wasn't much better. So Carrie's attack is portrayed as more of a mental snap (eg the kaleidoscopic depiction of classmates laughing at her that weren't actually doing so) coupled with powers she hadn't even begun to control. She was a powder keg that was lit more than an evil person that planned to hurt people. But the matricide was total self-defense IMO.
This mentality of sypathizing with mental breakdowns leave alot of murders with sympathy i have mental problems but if you cant control your emotions you garner no sympathy yes the concept of the mental health should have sympathy but you as a person shouldn't
@@Lp-army1I think of Carrie as what happened rather than a true villain. We don't call a bomb the villain. I've said it in other threads here, but honestly, I believe the part that was Carrie White died when the pig blood hit her. That at that point she wasn't there. She's the end result, the consequence, and sadly, innocent bystanders get swept up in consequences.
@angrytheclown801 carrie in the movie at least is shown to be training her powers and controlling them we don't call bombs villains becuase they don't have a thought at all they are not a person or sentient being which means they can't control their explosions while as spiderman says great power comes with great responsibility carrie has no responsibility for her powers and treats it as something not as powerful as it is
@@Lp-army1 It doesn't matter she's training her powers, my point is she's no longer mentally present when the blood hits her. That she's never coming back and she's a blank. They're reaping the whirlwind at that stage. There is no committing her because there's nothing to commit. They have to put her down but there's not enough there anymore to be a villain. That's why she's a bomb.
@angrytheclown801 my point and czs still stand were talking about if the villains are right or not and carrie was fully in the wrong for not only killing her bullies but killing the entire town
Hell Boy II! The overarching theme was about man’s destruction of nature, and nature was fighting back but had to be destroyed to preserve loss of more human life. I literally cried when the last elemental died in the service of Prince Nuada. They were understandably trying to preserve their own existence and that of their kind from being wiped out.
the wicked witch literally just wanted her dead sister’s shoes to remember her but some weirdos are dancing after Dorothy killed a person a stole her shoes like that’s real villian behaviour. also yall remember that old clip with one of the little people hanging themselves in the back of that one scene? Truly a horror movie
Glinda (in the MGM movie) was twisted.
"Oh you're upset that someone killed your sister? Oh don't forget about her shoes- oops I *magically* took something that rightfully belongs to you as the only living relative and gave them to the very person who killed your sister. Dorothy I know I made you a target but don't take those shoes off *they must have some powerful magic in them*, that's why she must want them. Now ugly bad witch go away. Dorothy the only person who can help you is the wizard.... actually you had the power to go home this whole time but even though you saw me come down in a bubble into a land full of munchkins, you believed that I was a witch, you saw another witch, I magically put the shoes on your feet, told you that the shoes were magic and told you to seek a wizard I didn't tell you because after all of that you wouldn't have believed me."
Glinda is a freaking menace.
Reminds me I need to Finish Dorothy Must Die
@@LadyBern Thanks for reminding me that shit is a series. I gotta finish the rest.
@@depressantdrug same, I read the first one as a freebee and loved it, but never got around to the rest.
A bit surprised that it wasn't made into a TV/movie series but not because I know the copyright is messy.
She did not just want the shoes to remember her sister by, quit with the musical fan fiction. They were powerful magical items that WW would have definitely used to harm people and take control.
@@Danerboots there's also the book version where she was basically minding her own business when the wizard sent Dorothy (who is this tiny little girl) out on a suicide mission to kill her for fear she'll realize he's a sham. In this case he's the menace.
Oh and originally he usurped the throne, kidnapped the rightful ruler and gave her to a witch who gave her a sex change. Ozma had to have suffered some serious dysphoria/morphia from that.
Btw read wicked but never saw the play, were the shoes to remember her sister or to have the symbol of her father's love?
2:15 putting the bullying aspect aside, i think it depends on wether she truly knew how to use her powers, call me stupid but i believe there is a chance she was driven by anger and her powers were simply too great for her to control, so I'll give her a 50/50
In the 2000-something remake, they show her more or less practicing. And in both movies, she traps her mother with precision, and attacks the entire town despite the school being the biggest source of her pain. I'd say she was looking for more shit to fuck up
In the book, Carrie practises and trains her powers, like she's just waiting for a reason to use them. If the pig blood hadn't happened, she wouldn't have gone on rampage. That's the big point, Carrie was pushed too far by one act too far
I viewed it as her essaintly having a panic attack, im autistic myself & as a kid i would end up hurting myself during a meltdown because everything was too much , the same could have happened to carrie
Sounds like we’re reaching the level of philosophy of whether a crime counts if it’s done out of emotion they can’t control.
While Carrie was justified in feeling her anger she is, unfortunately for her, the only person who can control the effects of that anger.
Her eyes were working, she could see what she was doing. Her hearing was working, she could hear their screams. If somehow she had left her body and truly was out of control, that doesn’t make it okay. I think in court that’s the territory of sending someone to a mental institution.
While the idea of someone not being in control of the reaction to their emotions is so sad, that doesn’t negate the damage they caused to the people around her.
I believe regardless of anything, she is a villain because she caused so much suffering that was completely unnecessary. She wasn’t saving a small child, she wasn’t preventing an attack on someone. She reacted out of a pure need to try to heal the hurt she felt in herself.
@@Man-wolf-my new head cannon
For Frankenstein, the monster is essentially Victor’s child. The monster has no actual skills or emotional regular much like a baby/toddler/young kid. So in that sense, Victor not “raising” his child, he tried his own methods which weren’t productive. I see it as how parental neglect can lead to improper emotional regulation in their children.
Granted I never got around to finishing the story, but that’s very much the impression I got as well. It was a take of a neglectful father refusing to take responsibility to teach his child right and wrong. Which makes me think it’s as much a commentary on the way men in her time were influenced by absentee fathers and that it continued the cycle of violence.
Fun fact Xanos in the comics snapped away half the people not to save the world's resources but basically to try to impress a girl.
Thanos?
Who still didn't give him the time of day,and then basically immediately did for Deadpool...S*it was hilarious 😂😂
In the film " Home " 2015
The " Gorg " are suppose to be portrayed as the villains. Except it was the " Boov " who not only stole the entire Gorg children but, came to Earth. Removed everyone from their homes and resettled them in Australia.
The Gorg are the villains in the right.
I remember that movie being less heavy than how you described it, but you're not wrong. Stealing ( very important eggs), kidnapping (the eggs then the Earthlings), and then relocation without permission is messed up. The Gorgs did what they had to to get the eggs back. The Boovs would face trial by Intergalactic Council if there were a sequel.
I have no idea what you just said haha
@@NeonPlanes you should watch it! My daughter was born in 2014 so this movie and it's Netflix show are fond memories. Home is totally about forced resettlements!
The term is "antagonist", which is the person/group against the protagonist. In some stories, the antagonist isn't necessarily the villain. Btw, this story sounds awesome and I'll look it up!
It just occurred to me that the actions of the Boovs in "Home" mirror the actions of "white" people as they colonized America.
So don't at me yet, I'm like 1 minute in so far... but my initial reaction before I watch the full video is that there is a difference between being "in the right" and being "relatable, and understandable, and if I were in their shoes, I might have made the same choices." Okay now I'm going to actually watch and see what you say.
You know what, that Jaws reference and the examples from Jurassic World are really good examples. Carnivores are almost always presented as villains in movies while herbivores are portrayed as loving and curious.
@@helpmenaomitrue kinda like pennywise he needs to feed off fear and much like other apex predators they go for the biggest prey for more meat and since he feeds of fear he goes after children.
I think while the ghosts from “What Lies Beneath” and “Gothika” seemed like villains at first, in the end they really wanted justice for their deaths.
Villain in what lies beneath was the Harrison Ford’s character who murdered the girl and then attempted to murder the wife. It was never implied that the ghost was the villain.
Villain from gothika were Dutton’s and Lynch’s characters. It was clear at the end.
Carrie is the living embodiment of the old saying a child deprived of the villages warmth will burn it to the ground just to feel it once.
Do repeat this format along with the older ones. This could be a good gateway into new characters/genres/languages/mediums to be explored in detail later on.
The xenomorph in Alien is technically not evil per se, its acting on instinct and survival/reproduction.
Yep. Perfect organism
Any alien species is technically not evil as their morals differ to ours. But the xenomorph is just an animal so.....yeah not technically a villain as we do not put cholera or cobra's in the same category as Dahmer or Bundy (NOT AL). In all the alien movies to me the only villain was the android in covenant as it's programming was to protect humans and it straight up killed humans and wanted to wipe us out.
long story short I agree with you.
Carrie and Amy Dunne is "good for her" horror. Like yes we know it's wrong but also ... good for her. Dani from Midsommar fits into this category as well.
Amy Dunne from gone girl? Her husband cheated on her so she framed him for murder, used police resources, and then killed her EX. Oh and is now gonna raise a child with the man she hated. Bruuhhh
Dani from Midsommar far, far more than Carrie though. Carrie ultimately is pushed too far, snaps, and goes way, way too hard in her revenge, unleashing her wrath on the whole town of innocents. Dani just kills her abusive boyfriend
@college54114 How is he abusive? I just remember him having wanted to end the relationship, but it was too awkward with the recent death. And then she ends up in a cult. So, not a happy ending regardless.
We need more women to reveal their red flags like this tbh
@@sklynn Chris was emotionally abusive and constantly gaslighting Dani. Breaking up with her instead of being passive aggressive and turning every discussion into an argument that somehow becomes her fault would have been far kinder.
Death Note is also one of favorite stories. Love it love it love it! But I agree with Ryuk when he tells Light that after he kills all the bad guys then Light will be the only bad guy left.
A character who left a lot up to interpretation is Kayako Saeki from the “Ju-on” and “The Grudge” films. She was just an ordinary housewife in Japan, but she quickly became the victim of a violent murder from her own husband. Her sorrow, rage and hatred were so great, that she returned as an Onryo (vengeful Japanese spirit) who killed her husband and only exists to spread her curse to countless people. In The Grudge series, it’s stated that she hates everyone for getting to live peaceful lives while she couldn’t, so she wants to make everyone suffer like she did through spreading hopelessness wherever she can. In the Ju-on films however, she doesn’t seem able to control herself, as she sadly whispered the name of someone she loved before killing him (not her husband, just a guy she still had feelings for since they were teenagers), as if the curse itself made her a slave to her pain, to spread the curse as far as possible.
While I don't agree with the husband in those movies... she was having an affair... that drove her husband so mad with anger he killed everyone... even the poor cat...
There was a recent TV show that this reminds me of. It was set in and around the Japanese internment camps of the 1940s and 50s. The protagonist was being haunted by a demon (I can't remember the name they gave) whose goal was to steal a baby, because she lost hers and died due to the actions of a man (she was pregnant when she arrived to marry a Japanese man who had already immigrated, so he turned her out onto the streets -- she gave birth to the baby, gave him to a convent, then jumped off a pier). She gets herself involved with the birth of the protagonist's babies (twins) to his girlfriend, and both babies don't make it, implied to be because of her presence, but it's clear she doesn't understand that her presence is what killed them. We find out the protagonist is her nephew, and then find out that he's actually her son, the baby she gave to the convent, and her sister adopted him, so he's really the baby she's after. She doesn't recognize him because he's grown, but that's why she's so fixated on him and getting a baby that HE'S the father of instead of any random baby.
@@jodinovotny1985 The issue there is that Kayako never had an affair, that’s just what her husband assumed, then assumed his son wasn’t his and then killed everyone there without remorse. Kayako did have a crush on another man, but she only wrote about her feelings and never actually tried anything beyond that (she had a crush on the man since they were teens, but was too fearful to approach him because she thought he may have rejected her).
I’ve always said that some of the best villains have understandable, relatable or even good ends, it’s just the means they use to achieve those ends that make them villains.
Perfectly said, the greatest villains have understandable motives..
yeah look at dio.
So glad to see Mr.Glass getting some attention! He’s such an underrated villain! He’s one of my favorites!
I felt sorry for him, and his mom tried so hard but he went insane from his condition.
Arthur Fleck Joker is Justified.
Those Banksters nearly beat him to death, so it was self-defense, and he indirectly saved that one woman from assault by them in the process.
He eliminated his Coworker who passed on an illegal gun to him that got him fired - who knows what other crimes he was already doing before he took advantage of Arthur.
He confronted his Abuser(Mother) when he realized his life was one long gaslighting session, and then he cancelled Murray's Show for good.
Killing Murray may actually be the one avoidable bad action - Arthur knew Murray intended to publicly humiliate him for entertainment, yet he chose to attend the show anyway - otherwise, all his other targets were apparent criminals and abusers, and only the criminal and abusive were ever targeted.
The Joker was essentially a reluctant vigilante who fought back against a Society that wronged him and so many others like him.
4:12 A song lyric from Disney's Hunchback always makes me think of Frankenstein. "Who is the Monster and who is the Man?"
I think that John Kramer went a little beyond his original vision. Most of the victims in Saw 3 (including Jeff's daughter) were just pawns in Jeff's game, and didn't have the opportunity to save themselves/were not guilty of not cherishing their lives. Buuuut I would argue that Logan Nelson did nothing wrong; you can't tell me that Halloran didn't deserve every bit of what he got!
Hoffminator got him
Not to mention in the first saw there was a verrrrry real chance Allison and Diana could have been killed. There was no way John could have anticipated Allison getting free. Like the mans was really ok with an 8 year old getting shot because he thought his doctor was rude lol
Forget Saw 3. Saw X takes place BEFORE that and we saw how he FANTASIZED about torturing that hospital orderly for simply being poor and thinking about stealing a watch from a vegetable in a coma. He was DISAPPOINTED that the orderly didn't take the watch. 😠
John was just a sociopath with a revenge fantasy from the beginning. It was never about helping people. The entire concept of calling an overweight person, a smoker, an addict, ect "people who don't appreciate life" as opposed to what they are, ill people. They are sick people, likely with severe mental and/or physical illnesses. Addiction is a symptoms. He kidnapped and killed people who needed medical assistance and likely couldn't afford it.
This is actually MOST Saw games. Most of them have innocent people who were treated as set pieces or motivation for the person being tested and have no way to save themselves. In nearly every Saw game, SOMEONE has to die, and that's where John Kramer's philosophy falls apart. This is especially prevalent in Saw III and VI. Saw V is actually the only one where every participant in the game could've lived--no one was a set piece or unable to escape. We also see from this from the very first movie--Gordon's innocent wife and daughter held hostage, and Zapp and Adam killed despite everything. John also helped NO ONE, he just turned them into serial killers like him. Kramer fans just don't like to admit it.
Law Abiding Citizen is so underrated in my opinion and I don't think I ever wanted a 'villain' to succeed so much in a movie.
Same I was so sad with that ending
that and Peppermint
I’m surprised not to see Leatherface under the puppet master category. In the original movie, he’s obviously mentally stunted and under the thumb of his two brothers.
More like his entire family boy was a serial killer group project
Only halfway through and I’m pretty sure I commented this on the post, is The Phantom of the Opera aka Erick. Depending on which movies you watch, the phantom either kills people or not, which makes it a hard debate to justify. In every movie he kidnaps/lures Christine to where he lives under the opera house, this is something that is critical to the plot. In the 1921, 2004 movie and the book, he drops the chandelier and kills 1 to a dozen people. In some adaptations, he doesn’t drop the chandelier but rather it accidentally falls and he sacrifices himself to save Christine. The phantom was born with a disfigured face which earned ‘his mother’s fear and loathing’ and ended up in a travelling circus where he was beaten and presented as ‘the devil’s child’ to crowds for money. Erick manages to escape but kills a circus member in the process. It ends up being his first kill but doesn’t hurt anyone until 20-40 years later when he becomes obsessed with Christine. However, at the end of each adaptation he has a change of heart and realizes there are people out there that will not judge him for a disfiguration he was born with. It doesn’t excuse what he’s done but it’s a psychological path that unsurprisingly led to death.
The creature from the black lagoon. He's just living his life and people intruded on it and his home.
Same with King Kong.
Yeah those are just animals, like the xenomorph
Carrie lacked premeditated intent to kill...she was having a beautiful time at the prom and being doused in pigs blood at the very moment when it seemed like life was getting better literally shocked and traumatized her into a telekinetic rampage, especially since Chris chose blood as her medium to humiliate Carrie all over again. Blood was how it all started, blood made her psycho mother go ballistic and having a bucket of the stuff simultaneously kill Tommy and douse her sent her over the edge with such crushing finality nobody was going to live through the destruction that followed. Verdict: Not guilty by reason of psychic overload...and she still beat Harris and Klebold's score!
"she still beat Harris and Klebold's score!" Hell yeah she did. Honestly I felt like the "they were bullied narrative was a stretch" I think they were mad and jealous over some jock privilege that existed. Klebold still enjoyed all the trappings of wealthy suburbia and when the big day came they got what 1 jock? They did get a black kid, a special needs kid, some Star Wars loving Freshmen, a transfer student that probably still didn't know her way around campus...but yep no big bad bullies. At least Carrie took out the trash lol.
@@cambricjimenez4882Glad you mention Klebold. Another narrative is that "evil psychopath Eric manipulated poor depressed victim Dylan" crap from people who really just feel sorry for him because he was so unattractive. I find his mother to be extremely off putting too though and a lot of people praise her. Eric was the one actually getting treated for depression from a doctor ironically.
Carrie is one of my favorite characters. She was definitely both justified and in the wrong. Being that manipulated and constantly put down, she snapped. I get how it happened. Very well written.
John Kramer is another favorite because of how he's written. Brain tumors, cancer treatments, and accidents are all able to change how a person thinks, acts, and/or personality. For John, it was taken to the extreme. He truly thinks he's helping his victims. He doesnt realize their deaths r on his hands. Its plausible that someone could flip like that. Extremely rare, but plausible
This whole video made me think of the tethers from Us. More specifically, Adalaide. Adalaide was pulled into the underground by her doppelganger and forced to be there while her counterpart got to live her life. Pretty sure the tethers just wanted to be on the serface and not have to be in the shadows anymore. I'm not saying what the tethers, in general, did what was right (cause they low-key didnt) but Adalaide kinda did. She had her life stolen from her and was forced to be in the shadows of her counterpart.
I understand adalaide wanting revenge on "herself" but why harm the kids and all others who did not know about the tethers
@@mightyiller779It wasn’t about revenge. It was about taking their place on the surface and becoming Untethered. The Tethered’s fates are ultimately bound by the actions of their counterparts on the surface. They weren’t taking revenge; they were trying to overturn the system as it was. The movie is an allegory for the social class gap of the real world. This is most explicitly shown in Red’s monologue to Adelaide near the end of the movie: “We were born special… I never stop thinking about you. How things could have been. How you could have taken me with you.” Red was the True Adelaide and when she met her counterpart in the maze that night as a child, her counterpart could have shown her the world below and they could have changed the world together, but instead, she dragged her down to where she was and took her place on the surface. This is, again, a reflection of real life; some people of color become so jealous of the success of other people of their same racial background that they seek to tear them down when both parties should be working towards abolishing social class disparity instead of trying to bring each other down in order to come out on top. Look up the concept of the term “bucket crab”. Red goes on to say in this monologue: “I didn't just need to kill you. I needed to make a statement that the whole world would see. It's our time now. Our time up there.”
"Feel free to rip each other apart in the comments." Spoken like a true horror movie fanatic. I love it!😂
Tough noogies--I agree with 90% of these comments, & choose not to acknowledge the ones that don't make sense to me. Such an awesome community!
Not sure if he'd fall under "puppet villain" or "just doing his thing" but my heart always breaks for poor Cujo. He was just a big ol' dog who contacted rabies. He was a good boy :(
18:50 A famous Belgian wheelchair athlete asked for euthenisia because she was suffering so much and wanted to say goodbye to everyone. It went on the news and everyone of my family that was watching was crying, it was extremly heartbreaking and sad but somehow im glad she isn't in pain anymore.
Rest in peace Marieke. ❤
I love such discussions about the motivations and morality of characters. Do you think you could do a follow up with characters that are framed as "heroes" by the narration or by the characters within the story but who really shouldn't ? i'd love to take a peek at the other side of the spectrum.
Way to seek balance in CZ's world! And I hope he agrees.
Cujo should definitely be on this list. Cujo was in the right because he contracted rabies and could not control his actions afterward. 🤷🏻♀️
That doesn't make him in the right. That's like saying a zombie is in the right for eating you. It's not his fault, but that doesn't make what he's doing good.
Since animals don't have a sense of right and wrong, could a dog really even be in the right?
Not right, but he definitely was not in his right mind.
Rabies? The villain in Cujo was the rapist tv repair man. (I'm not kidding.)
The real Villian of final destination was that bus driver. Why was he doing like 60 in a main suburban street
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I know it's not horror, but you can't forget Professor Snape from Harry Potter.
He had to murder Dumbledore to save everyone else.
For the “they were only bad to us” section, the short story, “the lottery“ is another contender for this particular category. I remember having to write an essay about the ethics of it in seventh grade
I think that Carrie was not wrong to kill her bullies, but she was absolutely wrong to kill innocent people alongside.
EDIT: Read my comment before getting worked up. I’m not saying that retaliating with lethal force is a good idea or necessary. What I’m saying is that if someone *does* retaliate in such a way after years of abuse, their reaction is completely understandable. I hold this sentiment in real life, too. Everyone has their breaking point. A great example is Gypsy Rose. She killed her abusive mother, but was completely justified in doing so and felt that she had no other option. She should have walked free.
As someone that was heavily bullied, becoming a serial killed just would make worse than my bullies, no thank you, no excuses
That school shooter mentality the bully’s are scum but that doesn’t merit becoming a murder, what gives you the moral authority to become a serial killer….
I believe in the movie she saves the people who didn’t laugh at her, she truly only does kill the people that laughed or bullied her, she saves the people who were nice to her like the gym teacher
@@nightwishladyGOD BLESS YOU 🙏❤️😇
FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT ❤
@@nightwishlady I think a fundamental flaw in the justifications is it's not about a moral high ground. Nor is it about 'making them worse' or 'stooping down to their levels'.
Dang, i love this format!!! Totally do more. Very fun & entertaining. Thought provoking.
The ritualistic suicide of the elders in Midsommer always reminds me of Hurling Day from Dinosaurs. They too were ritualistically sacrificed-and by sacrificed I mean hurled into a giant tar pit-at the age of 72.
Some of Stu’s lines in the Scream finale are hilarious
Peer pressure I’m far too sensitive and my mom and dad are going to be so mad at me are the best ones
As someone who has Bipolar I and BPD I completely agree it is up to us to get professional help when we are sick. We aren't ourselves when we are sick I have been getting help since the age of 11.
I am also diagnosed with Bipolar but wouldve never gotten help if my parents didnt notice when I was in middle school. I probably wouldve never gotten help if my parents didnt already suffer with mental illness
Not horror related, but Sharpay Evans was completely justified in her feelings about Troy and Gabriella
Sharpay wasn’t the villain at all
I don’t get this take Troy & Gabriella just wanted to sing lol
@@heatherparisi8250 that’s exactly the problem. They’re inexperienced and weren’t actually committed unlike Sharpay and Ryan. Troy and Gabriella could’ve had a minor part or just join choir lmao
@@Brattybat it's high school not broadway like plz they just want to sing
“They were bad to us” prime number one example are the Cenobites. Their motives are alien but considered malicious to humans. They are only villains because we consider their actions as evil for the plot, but to them it is completely ambiguous. Pleasure and pain are the same to them as good and evil. I would say the only villainous thing that can hold true to them is the people before who had the knowledge of the puzzle box and used it for their own nefarious deeds before being subjected to them.
Dude when The Shining theme started playing I was walking and it started playing at the exact speed I was walking. Each note happened at the exact time with every step. Kinda cool but kinda freaky at the same time 😂
Imagine if you were riding a 3 wheel at the time
I always thought Dracula from the Netflix series Castlevania was the most sympathetic version of that horror icon. His motivation while so horrifying is also so tragic at the same time.@@CZsWorld
Also for a few other Honerable Mentions to consider for the categorie of "Only Bad to Us", how about these:
The Yahutja, or predator. He's a hunter from another planet with a code killing for sport and honer for other dangerous species.
Lucy from Elfen Lied, she was struggling with her nature as a weapon that must reproduce and infect humans so they will create more like her.
Maybe Lovecraft's Outer Gods and Old Ones like the King in Yellow from Carcosa, or his big brother Cthulu. Maybe.
And depending on the version of the story................king of the monsters himself: Gojira.
20:29 that "Girl...GIRL" got me😆💅🏼
There was an episode of the sitcom Dinosaurs in which the teenage son became a vegetarian. It was treated the same way as if he had come out as gay and his father didn't accept it at first, before finally accepting him at the end.
The way he said "girl... girl" after bringing up the blind guy from dont breathe 😭
We're gonna need more of this, CZ. I'm hooked.
Midsummer is basically a cult as the girl was taken when she was at her absolute lowest after losing her parents
Light is a villain. Story literally says he's ending the life of people even when just accused of a crime rather than found 100 percent guilty.
Thanos wasnt right. Thanos doesn't understand farming or how food is created and even his whole half gone double food mentality was wrong just by thinking about it for a second. We even see what happens to his daughters planet. Also comic wise he's just in love with deeath itself so he's just impressing a girl
In Japan they also function as guilty until proven innocent
Light is my favourite character, but he clearly states that after killing criminals and when countries are accepting him as a god that he will also "punish" people for "not using their full potential to better society". Just imagine someone close to you died and you can't work for a few months, but some middle-aged man sees this as slacking off, and you die to a heart attack on top of your depression all of a sudden.
Thanos' plan is also dumb because killing randomly half the population could result in every medical doctor dying, so the rest of the population will also suffer. Everyone who knew how to operate nuclear reactors got poofed away. Have fun with the nuclear fall-out.
And he killed half the animals. Endangered species are now even more endangered.
@@QueenOfDarknes5 light's mind can only come from a Japanese society that looks down on "lazy" people who don't contribute to society when his definition of that would probably end more lives than even superman during the chess match debate if that plan went off.
Plus he was already pretty bad when the website went up and people just started putting names up. Light overall is unjustifiable but since he's the mc people excuse his wrongdoing and kinda prove the point the mangaka was making on how people can go nuts
Doctors. Farmers. Traffic control. Police. The politicians and so on. So much chaos that would(and should) have happened thanks to this snap.
And that's without talking about all the broken families that would come of it. Religion fall out and cults being made on top of people taking their lives as life would have turned to chaos. Too bad the movie makers didn't plan that far ahead as they only focused on the heroes and society somehow didn't fall apart(the hulk scene in endgame basically)
Thank You for the List and Video 😀
love your videos as they are, but this kinda video is in fact a welcome change. keep it going my dude 🤟👍
The Carrie-Columbine simile was thought provoking for me. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Nah. Neither of the Columbine shooters were bullied. Eric Harris was a psychopath and Dylan Klebold was a suicidally depressed and easily manipulated kid that Harris pulled in to his evil. But neither was bullied and both were actually pretty popular.
@@savagegardenroxBut the idea is that Carrie did essentially the same thing that they did. She had no excuse for her actions and were someone in real life to do the same, none of these people defending Carrie would be defending them, at least, I’d hope not.
It wouldn't be if he got his facts right. They WERE the bullies, not the bullied.
@@Adam-326If someone exclusively kills their bullies, I understand. However, school shooters don’t fall into that category because they also harm innocent people.
@@chickensalad3535 Uh, bullying someone doesn’t warrant death.
Even if Amy Dunne (Gone Girl) was a neurotypical empathic person, the movie still would have had a terrible ending. Nick was already planning ahead of time to divorce Amy (on their anniversary of all days) then replace her with a younger college kid.
Amy is still a terrible person and I would never want someone like her as a close friend but I still understand why she plotted revenge and basically turned her lazy unfaithful husband into a hostage tied down with a wife he doesn't love and a son he never wanted.
So, frame me for MURDER because I had sex with another person?
Thats crazy.
Cujo, i think could go on the list. He was just a harmless dog, who became rapid.
yo this new video format is fresh! i love it!
Great video. To me, the villain I have most only been able to condemn in theory while going strictly by my *feels* 'Yeah, but they totally deserved it!" was Chef Slowik from The Menu. An artist can only take so much! XD
Ozymandias in The Watchmen movie, it could be argued he brought the entire world together.
He bought the entire world together built upon a lie. From a threat that does not exist. That’s not how you achieve peace
Similar to thanos. He was a utilitarian than thought the means justify the ends
@imaXkillXya exactly I couldn't remember certain differences from the movie to the books. I know he killed a lot of people with nukes in the movie I believe, but I was nvr clear on whether the alien invasion killed or just scared in the book.
@@michaeltrail852 I think the "alien invasion" was just an elaborate scare tactic. They weren't even really aliens iirc, I think they were grown in a lab somewhere, and the teleportation technology used to "drop" them on NYC had the effect of a bomb going off, destroying whole blocks, killing thousands and effectively "killing" all the the aliens that I don't know if they were even like, fully alive, or a threat at all. They were only meant to be huge and fucked-up looking, to be discovered afterwards in the wreckage and have mankind freaking out about an alien invasion that would bring humanity together against a perceived common enemy. It's been awhile, but I still remember the comic panel of the old man and the little black boy who had been arguing back and forth the whole story realize something like a bomb is going off, look to each other, and the old man immediately tries to shield the young boy as the blast happens, inevitably killing them both.
That comic kinda fucked me up, tbh, I think I was too young the first time I read it 😅
🔥🔥🔥video bro always a fan of the villains back story or reasoning to why they are doing what they are doing.
This was great! It was entertaining and also though provoking. I think in one way or another, people that consume media have these conversation in one degree or another. Heck, my wife and I were debating about Dexter the other night and the "is he/is he not" a villain. question. Again, great work! Would love to see more like this in the future!
Id make a strong argument for Eric Killmonger from Black Panther, he straight up gave the main character a "wait, am i the bad guy?" moment. the only reason he was bad was because he took it too far and he was in direct opposition to the protagonist. In the end he got what he wanted and was successful in getting the protagonist to see his side and do what the he wanted.
“The only reason he was bad is because he was bad”
Killmonger was a disingenuous bastard, albeit a very interesting and sympathetic one.
I think you could argue that some people who get their just desserts in shows such as Creepshow, Night Visions, and Night Gallery could fall under "They were only bad to us." Since you mentioned Dexter how do you feel about shows such as Buffy, Forever Knight, and Dark Shadows? They can have villains that some would argue could also be in the right depending on the storyline.
In Buffy, Angel and Spike needed souls to be good. I'm pretty sure it's hard to be good and incomplete.
Loved creepshow and tales from the crypt
I believe the name of the movie was "Gone, Baby, Gone". Very, very interesting moral dilemma with a "villian" who isn't bad.
Jack and the Beanstalk (*depending on the version, but I go by the one in which the giant is burglarized fir seemingly no reason by Jack, other than Jack is poor, of course.)
Terminator and T2 also come to mind.
I would love to see more videos like this.
This was a great departure from your usual style. I could never get enough of your Horror History but this is like the Oregano on the spaghetti.
More of this please 🤗❤️
This was my first watch, but really enjoyed this format.
Loved this kinda video!
Carrie is not a villain in my book. I think the villain of the story is Carries mom. Why do mean kids bully Carrie cause she’s forced to act strange by Carries mom. If you really disagree with me The reason her telipothy awakened and the worst of the bullying happened is because Carrie didn’t know what a period was and she was traumatized by the experience why because of Carries mom. Carrie does not belong on this list cause she’s not the villain she’s a tragic hero trope.
I would agree that her mom is also a villain but Carrie is not completely absolved.
Carrie also murdered people who had nothing to do with her bullying and were just tryna get laid at prom😂
@@missgurl1362yeah that bitch is not free of sin
Simple fact in life just because you were hurt doesn’t give you a right or pass on hurting innocent
Carrie murdered a lot of people. Some of them violently and painfully. Bullying is horrible but please, please remember it does not justify violence or murder. Please remember that.
@missgurl1362 even if there innocent something tells there not that innocent...because in the films versions the 70s one to 2010s one, none of all students didn't defend carrie nor try to report the bullying that carrie was going through...also excluding one student who was from another school, Tommy, sue and the gym teacher...if those students that got killed were innocent they would have went to report the bullying or confront chris. This right here should get you questioning.
You have to always pay attention to what the “villain” SAYS, as 9/10 they’re speaking the truth
I agree, and it's how they choose to act in regards to the truth that makes them the villain. I think those are the most interesting villains.
Chapter 15 in Mein Kampf is then correct? By your logic?
9/10 times the villains are speaking the truth? how did you arrive at this number lol that’s an extreme overestimation. like not even the same ballpark lol.
@@adhirg then provide a more accurate calculation, over-thinker
@@METALFREAK03 and how did *you* come to that conclusion? Or did "9/10" go over your head as not meaning all, but the majority? I know your generation need continuous reminding that "it's not all"
Man, I got so worried when you brought up Midsommar... so glad you ended up swatting that down
I think "No One Will Save You" fits on They were only bad to us category, like you said, for them we needed help, and is the girl who starts attacking them, there are few theories about it.
I think the Xenomorphs fit the "they were only bad to us" category for the same reasons as Jaws
What does that even mean?
@@omegaheartlessIn this context, they're only bad to humans because they killed us. To them, we're just food or potential invaders. A Xenomorph requires a living host to incubate its young and fulfill its life cycle. It's just doing what it has to do as nature intended. Nothing inherently evil to it.
Jaws was in "Just Doin' His Thing", so with that in mind instead, yes I would agree with you
I would agree, but I recall one scene in which they kill their own. They aren't totally above it. At least they have a loving mom.
@@omegaheartlessthat what they did wasn’t evil but the natural process. Like how if farm animals could make films we’d be the best selling horror genre
I would like to add a new category, nature vs nurture or tragic outcast. Carrie I think is a good example for both because for all we know, she was at her core a kind person. But she was socially outcast by the kids at her school and her mom nurtured her to have mental health problems. Another example is the Phantom of the Opera. There are many versions of this character but I'll just focus on the broadway musical. In the stage play, he was only ever shown hatred, disguised, and was emotionally, physically, and mentally abused starting at a young age for a disfigurement he was born with. This plays heavily into both, but if you know the sequel show, love never dies, he does get redeemed and somewhat gets a happy ending by having his son. Ya for team Phantom, but WHY DID THEY HAVE TO KILL CHRISTINE. Please do a horror history on the Phantom
Christine was a user. She used the Phantom to get success and a rich husband, then lived off that husband without really loving him. She deserved to die.
I recently dropped back into my death note obsession and seeing Lights smug little face pop up on my screen made my day so thank you
you should do this kind of videos more and more these are enjoyable.
I just discovered your channel a few days a go, and I am devouring all of your videos, I've noticed that you haven't done a Hellraiser or Cenobites analysis, will you be covering them?
Oh I hope so 😊
NPH character in Gone Girl was kind of a creep. Maybe he didn’t deserve to die but he was not an innocent guy. He had her locked up in that house and had no plans of letting her go.
Hey CZ, have you ever thought about doing a horror history for Mama from the movie Mama? Love the videos!
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I recognize that funny vine! I loved it