Recording emerges of speaker comparing Israeli policy to Nazism at Corbyn hosted meeting
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2018
- Jeremy Corbyn has issued an apology over any "concerns and anxiety" he caused by appearing on platforms with people whose views he "did not accept or condone" - after it emerged that he had hosted a meeting in 2010 where a speaker compared Israeli policy to the Nazis.
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Channel 4 News has obtained a recording of the meeting. Critics have dismissed Mr Corbyn's apology as "utterly hollow" - while the row has increased the pressure on Labour to take a tougher stand on anti-Semitism. Jane Dodge reports - and a warning, viewers will hear views in the report that many will find offensive.
Corbyn did not compare Israel to the Nazis at this event. An elderly Jewish survivor of Auschwitz did. Are we going to start calling Jewish Holocaust survivors anti-Semites now? Was Corbyn supposed to interrupt and lecture a Holocaust survivor?
ubikcube 👌👌 Exactly 🤦♂️
ikr! I guess they have 'selective' hearing problem!!
You can criticize Israel without being anti-semitic.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the truth is very anti semitic
I'm with the Muslim on this one.
WhyOWhy I think you can criticize immigration as much as you want, it’s a flawed system. But I’m talking about the pretzel argument people are making, that somehow criticizing another nation makes you racist. That’s like criticizing Uganda or the Ivory Coast and being labeled anti-black. He was criticizing the aggressive behavior of a country, not a religion or those that follow a religion. That would be anti-semitism.
schutternutter apparently not
Just as you can't criticise Islam wihout being labeled islamophobic.
So hold on...a Jew compared an Israeli policy to Nazis and that makes Jeremy an anti semite?
Grunkle Dan yes. Also he started the ira
Dave Long he gave bin laden data to blow up the 9/11 towers
Dave Long he’s also a Czech/Russian spy as well. I believe he released the novichok agent
Dave Long doing a terrible job!! Biggest party membership in Europe
Oh yes...they say he is...so he is...put aside analytical, critical thought please and obey....Corbyn..antisemite...baaaaddd........repeat.....Not a Czech spy anymore......noooo.....antisemite...baaaddd.....give us time to think of another smear whilst the right wing crazies march on....but then, the right wing crazies are vehemently anti Islam....therefore....our enemies enemy is our friend. Yes folks, the Israeli theocratic crazies are in bed with the christian right wing crazies and they do not fucking want you to realise this. Looks like most here have rumbled this.
Did i miss something which part was anti semitic ?
das52 This smear campaign is so silly, the 'evidence' is embarrassing
It's name is courbyn and is some time leader of the labour party.
None of it.
Dave Long lol you win the dumbest argument in anti Semitism debate ever
Oh! Did you miss it? The part that says...we had the temerity to criticise Israel..therefore...we...are.... antisemitic....repeat...repeat....repeat....
The man who made the comparison was a holocaust survivor! He had to survive in their hands! Do you think it at all possible that Israel could treat people who live within it's borders as anything less than first class citizens? They do it every day!
shannon Rice great hasbara baby
shannon Rice
You say within Israel's borders. Does the Apartheid system in the West Bank not count?
shannon Rice why is labour concerned about Palestine only, why not Kurdistan,, balochistan,maymar,east Timor etc.. . not worthy because you don't have to point out jews? to appease the paedophile Mohammed worshippers?
truth son thats because its the one he is being smeared with and now has to deal with this wich detracts him from other world affairs the zionists dont want him in power
MACC'S ADVENTURES maybe because he wants to wipe out Israel to please paedophile Mohammed worshippers
Don’t really understand why Jeremy Corbyn is being blamed for something someone else said at an event he was at
Haha it's obvious. He was anti establishment
I don't agree with Trump or his policies but that doesn't mean I am bigoted against Americans. I don't agree with Netanyahu or current Israeli policies and I know I'm not antisemitic given the family who adopted me are Jewish so I think everyone needs to take a breath and stop conflating anti Israeli policies with antisemitism
Susan B
Unfortunately, that is not going to stop. It is too politically convenient for many in the Israeli far right to label anyone an anti-semite who disagrees with them and it helps them to avoid any serious discussions against their policies. (I initially said Jewish far right, but I changed it to Israeli because I'm not trying to insinuate that all Jews believe the same thing.)
Susan B
Absolutely
So sick of John Mann being booked on to give his view almost constantly, this hysterical and fanatical propagandist is always on the box talking horrendous nonsense.
Grey Chip - there was nothing 'left' about new-labour. And there is no free movement of labour within the EU. This country, as do others within the EU have control of economic migration. We chose to let migrants in. Just as we'll continue to do after Brexit.
John Mann is brave enough to stand up to the hard left bullies who now infest a once great party
It is true. Israel actions against the Palestinians (the native people of the land) are crimes against humanity. I can’t understand why criticizing these actions are considered anti-Semitic
Think how much they've suffered though.
Take history
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Because its politically convenient and can silence all dissent and discussion against Israel's crimes.
It wasn’t nazism tho. Israel has a lot of messed up stuff going on, but they haven’t systematically murdered 6 million people.
@@joshmellott8013 Out of curiosity, at what point is it acceptable to make comparisons between Israel and the Third Reich from your perspective?
"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise". - Voltaire
I think the thumbs down should tell jewish propagandists that british folk are not willing to "roll over and have their tummies rubbed" on this matter.
Religion (jewish) and ideology (Zionism) are not the same thing. One is responsible for atrocities another has been victim 2 some
You are obviously neither a jew, nor know anything about the suject. Judaism/Talmudism & Zionism are totally indivisible.
Another bs story by channel 4 ..
I'm agitated your too dumb or lazy to spell "are you"
they start this everytime may is in trouble , who is buying this now
This is nothing but PC rubbish...one big nothingburger.
what's this new story even about
Tlahuicole barrraz GOYVEY
The old fool has dropped another clanger apparently i know it's hard to imagine it as it only days from the last one.
Corbyn stands up for the weak people against bullies
Dave Long isnt that what Theresa May is doing by meeting with Israels primeminister?
There's a general election coming so it's peak corbyn-bashing season
This is the biggest non-story i've ever heard
Perhaps, but still serves as propaganda.
How is this relevant? How is it even news? How about concentrating a bit more time on Corbyns policies and less on irrelevant issues. Like news channels used to do before all this weird nonsense began.
Ant Laud
Read the protocols of the elders of Zion sir
Watch Europa the last battle.
so basically you're asking me to read a book and then sit through ten hours worth of documentary,
....anything else?
Ant Laud you dont have to
What is corbyn supposed to apologise for?
Corbyn saw destruction of one group in Gaza and spoke out about it (which makes him critical of those responsible for he attacks) ... I'm sorry, but can someone help me. I'm failing to see he anti semii link here? Im not trying to be ignorant and I am not joking, but I am really struggling here
Jeremy Corbin is on point.
Nahum Goldmann's 1915 book 'The Spirit of Militarism', Goldmann was a major Zionist figure throughout most of the 20th century and head of the World Jewish Congress for many years ....
Nahum Goldmann lived his whole life as one of the top level international Zionists, he was the president of the World Jewish Congress from 1947 to 1978, and in his 1915 book "The Spirit Of Militarism" (page 37 - 38) he describes the Zionist method for destruction of Western Civilization which is required for transition into the New World Order. Below is an English translation from the copy housed in the collection of the Leo Baeck Institute.
"The historical mission of our world revolution is to rearrange a new culture of humanity to replace the previous social system. This conversion and re-organization of global society requires two essential steps: firstly, the destruction of the old established order, secondly, design and imposition of the new order. The first stage requires elimination of all frontier borders, nationhood and culture, public policy ethical barriers and social definitions, only then can the destroyed old system elements be replaced by the imposed system elements of our new order.
The first task of our world revolution is Destruction. All social strata and social formations created by traditional society must be annihilated, individual men and women must be uprooted from their ancestral environment, torn out of their native milieus, no tradition of any type shall be permitted to remain as sacrosanct, traditional social norms must only be viewed as a disease to be eradicated, the ruling dictum of the new order is; nothing is good so everything must be criticized and abolished, everything that was, must be gone.
The forces preserving traditional society are "free market capitalism" in the social economic realm, and "democracy" in the mental political realm. The capitalist free market does not fight against the old economic order, nor does democracy lead a fierce hot battle against the forces of reaction which oppose the new order, therefore our transformative work will be imposed through the unifying principle of the militaristic spirit, the negative task of destroying the old established order will be completely solved and finished only when the all the human masses are all forcibly collectivized as uniformed soldiers under imposed mass-conformity of new order culturing.
After destruction of the old order, construction of the new order is a larger and more difficult task. We will have torn out the old limbs from their ancient roots in deep layers, social norms will be lying disorganized and anarchic so they must be blocked against new cultural forms and social catagories naturally re-emerging. The general masses will have been first persuaded to join as equals in the first task of destroying their own traditional society and economic culture, but then the new order must be forcibly established through people again being divided and differentiated only in accordance with the new pyramidal hierarchical system of our imposed global monolithic new world order.
Capitalism must be condemned as a fundamental misfortune caused by the wealth of capitalist power exploiting the false separation between the high rulers and the oppressed exploited masses. The masses must be induce to repudiate the concept of personal wealth and personal rights, this second task will also be solved only by virtue of the great guiding principle of the subordinating militaristic spirit in which superior ranks impose order on inferiors, which will bring the true aristocratic principle of "might is right" in the new world order: "those who can rule - shall rule".
The spirit of militarism, Der Geist des Militarismus, Stuttgart, 1915, p.37 - 38
I notice that John Mann gets to monologue away and the other guy is interrupted constantly.
Interviewing John Mann and this Richard Millett character is far from being impartial. How low can Channel 4 go?
Corbyn was there for peace and human rights as always
The smear campaign has begun. He already apologized. What should he do more? Kiss jews?
He did, but they were anti-zionists, so for the smearing campaign it doesn´t count. They want him to kiss the Israeli flag, praise Netanyahu and its enthic cleansing, and excuse the genocide of the palestinian people.
It's not up to you to say it was a non apology
10:10 Notice how he is allowed to go on and talk here, while the pro-Corbyn man was cut off after 10 seconds of speaking every time.
No criticism of Israel is allowed we all know who is pulling the strings.
So, what is at issue here is that a refusal to outlaw criticism of a deeply racist country is an act of racism in itself and this accusation levied at a person with an impeccable reputation and the ones making the accusation are responsible for the Iraq war genocide and this comes a few weeks after Israel enacted a kind of blood soil law... ok.
gaza is an open air prison.
i was born a fin-less shark. its not great.
Gazans made it by electing Hamas.
Real definitions don't need debate! This is insane...
Well said Barnaby. Must be hard to speak out like that. Good on you.
Wait a minute can sumone tell me why corbyn is apologising ?
I don't understand why we're allowed to criticise the policies of any country in the world, but as soon as we say something about Israel we're anti-semitic. I'm absolutely not anti-semitic (my father was a jew), but I have a big issue with Israel policies regarding the Palestinians and I happen to agree with the comparison. I think that after more than 70 years we can get over our collective European guilt over WWII. What is happening in Israel and Palestine is appalling and the fact that millions of jews were killed in the most atrocious way during WWII doesn't change the atrocities that Israel is committing now.
It is a double standard to consider it antisemitic to make comparisons between Israel and the Third Reich, while believing it is NOT a sign of hatred to make comparisons between The Third Reich and any other state.
According to the IMF, Oxfam and the OECD, *1% of the world's population owns 82% of the wealth.* Google it.
I will say it again because they dont listen.. You can criticize Israel without being anti-semitic.
I hope all this builds a HUGE SUPPORT for Corbyn!
A complete NON story.
'We're OUTRAGED!!!'.
'What about???'.
'Quiet. Being OUTRAGED is enough!!!'.
Jeremy Corbyn eats Reich crispies at breakfast.
I don't think even the israelis would deny that.
Where's the anti-semitic part? I didn't find any.
Anti Zionism is not anti semitisim.
Any anti semitic views are abhorrent and should most definitely be called out. However, being critical of Israel due to Human Rights abuses is valid criticism.
It's completely ridiculous how this was even a scandal. If this event was directed at a different oppressive state such as North Korea or Iran, no one would have ever had to apologise for that kind of statement. But because Israel has huge support inside the elite in the UK, as the number of Jewish people within all elite intuition in the West, is very high even though jews only make up a small minority overall (This is not anti-Semitism, this is FACT), because of this, politicians are strangled by pressure to appease them and there is an outcry demanding apologises whenever they're caught being critical of the Jewish state. To the point where an MP has to apologise just for being at an event where somebody else was critical of the state, a state that is in the news almost monthly for abusing human rights btw.
I believe the bigger scandal and what history will see as the bigger scandal, has been the Wests failure to hold Israel accountable for the past four decades, during its countless abuses against ethnic Arabs. Even though Labour are also to blame for this, it is the Conservative party who are notorious for stepping up the support and sales of arms to Israel, where British arms exports to Israel reached record level just last May.
It is clear that the conservatives and some folks in the Labour party have a very different motive than simply being against anti-Semitism. Anti Antisemitism is just a front to create a stigma towards those, mainly politicians, who criticise Israel.
There is no other relationship in the world that compares to the one between Israel and the West. The Jewish state is incredibly tangled in with western governments and Jewish supporters of Israel make up a large chunk of the pioneers within their societies(again, not anti-Semitism, it is a fact). Where only speaking from the Government standpoint, the US sends Israel (which is a first world country) billions in military "AID" every year. In return Israel helps the West out by being a station for middle east attacks, like in the Iraq and Islamic state wars. Their intelligent agencies have been known to work together on operations in Iran. Also as I previously mentioned, the UK and US sell billions of dollars worth in detrimental weaponry to Israel.
It is clear this is the real reason behind why we have an over the top "scandal" right now, demeaning real and rightful criticism of Israel. It is solely dirty politics, and nothing to do with actually protecting an ethnic/ religious minorityy from discrimination.
IHRA definition is meant to silence legitimate criticism of Apartheid Israel.
More Propaganda against Jeremy Corbyn.
Wait... this is why people are yelling about antisemitism? The whole world has agreed that Israel has committed Human Rights abuses against Palestinians. But if you point it out, you’re a bigot?
No, however among many in Labour it is alos couched in antisemitic tropes, most of the problematic stuff from Labour activists and elected reps is just pure Jew baiting and hatred, the type of hatred that existed before Israel existed.
Never trust a guy called Barnaby!
so if someone disagrees with the Israeli policy they are anti semitic? I thought anti semitism was to do with the Holocaust in WW2? can someone enlighten me why this is an issue?
It's zionists trying to hide behind 'jewish' - because they have run out of excuses for their nazi-esque behavior.
And even then most semites speak Arabic. Palestinians are semites.
I’m not a Corbyn supporter but Channel 4 has descended to gutter propaganda.
why is labour concerned about Palestine, why not Kurdistan,, balochistan,maymar,east Timor etc.. . not worthy because you don't have to point out jews?
Why SHOULDN'T they be concerned about Palestine?
Are you trying to deflect scrutiny from the nazi-esque policies of the zionists against the Palestinians?
It looks that way.
As bad as the Nazi's are, they also built and implemented a lot of good things in Germany, like the autobahn, medical checks for prostitutes and so on. So Israel could be compared to the Nazi's, but only if you take into account Israel's use of irrigation to increase domestic agriculture and the multitude of other things Israel has done to economise and improve itself.
The only thing I object to is the comparison of Nazi oppression against the Jew's and other minorities to Israel's treatment of Palestinians. An apt comparison would be the treatment of resistance fighters by the Nazi's. Palestinians are not being rounded up, denied rights or living under subjugation. The Jew's in Nazi Germany didn't have assault rifles and car bombs and didn't throw rocks at the police and the Army.
As a side note, I have no problem with people saying Jew's invaded Palestine. It was as much theirs as it was Britain's. It belongs to those who were born there. Whatever their religion.
Well done Channel 4 News. Good hatchet job. Calling yourself a News channel is a joke.
Lovely debate. Both of them were civilized and strongly adhered to their points. I wish our politicians were like this.
Classic smear from C4
The friend of your enemy is not your friend
Labour Party disgusting for not sacking Corbyn
Everyone is out to get Corbyn these days. Some people must not like him very much.
gaslighting at its finest...
I’d never vote for Corbyn but feel sorry for him just what has he personally done wrong I don’t get it?
“The weak crumble, are slaughtered and are erased from history while the strong, for good or for ill, survive.”
From a speech. Who said it: Binjimin Netanyahoo or Adolf Hitler or any Nazi?
Who ever said it was an evil turd,
Can any news platform point out how meaningless this story is?
Speaking the truth about Israel's illegal actions and inhumane treatment of Palestinians is not being anti-Semitic.
Rags
shame on channel 4 for this smear campaign
Who was shouting 'racist out?'
The speaker concerned, who didn’t have very good English was simply referring to the psychological phenomenon that victims of persecution can behave in the same way as their persecutors.
We’ve seen this happen all over Africa, and whilst it’s perfectly OK to call Robert Mugabe a fascist dictator because he is harassing the remaining white farmers in Zimbabwe it seems it’s not OK to call Israel fascist when they persecute Arabs living in Israel and steal their land
That young man mentioned 'zionism'.. Along with the 'J' word that's two more words that are on their way to being banned !
"To learn who rules over you, simply discover who you are not allowed to critisize" - Voltaire
Minorite ????30 million of them
How is corbyn standing up for palestine rights considered anti semetic?
May not be the same but murder is murder
He was and still is right about Israel.
What about the rights of Israelis to live in peace and security?
With politicians like Corbyn, the UK will continue to get left behind.
Who has the perfect dream others must be destroyed for? And staff it themselves if necessary.
JC had no cause to apologise. This is a manufactured complaint from establishment lackeys scared shitless by JC.
He's at a meeting where hecklers interrupt a holocaust survivor and he's in trouble?
More none jews lost their lives in the ww2, and they didn't receive compensation, or pity.
I dont see Jeremy Corbyn as racist that he shared a platform with people who are doesn't by default that he is in fact we should get together with those of opposing views so we give people the right to speak even if it is offensive. But we have to accept that there is an overt criticism against Israel without understanding where their coming from.
Religion (jewish) and ideology (Zionism) are not the same thing. One is responsible for atrocities another has been victim 2 some.........
Hold on! What is anti Semitic?
Another day,another smear
This is ridiculous. Done with media bullshit.
Nobody can talk about Israel
Talking about Arabs or Islam is freedom of speech
He's right .. This is about free speech and facts are not antisemitic.
Free speech means speech you don't agree with.
Shame on C4
Corbyn has nothing to apologise for.
Just because you know a Holocaust denier (person labelled as such), doesn't mean that you are one. People are being disingenuous and making political points (especially Corbyn's enemies in Labour). I agree that Holocaust Memorial Day is specifically the anniversary of the liberation of Birkenau extermination camp by the Soviet Army. If Jewish people want to raise other issues, not Birkenau,, then they should lead the discussion.
there is nothing controversial about that
I would have thought that if a Jewish holocaust survivor is likening Israel's behaviour to that of the Nazis, then THAT should be the story.
Oh hang on... it was 8 years ago.
Pathetic! Ch.4 is going down the sink and that's sad to witness.
Dr Hayo Meyer was a hero. Its an insult to his memory to categorise him in this way. Wish that people would look things up more rather than allow the media fo dictate opinions.
First please explain what Semitic refers to and secondly just exactly what a Semite is. Then we can have a conversation.
So these people will call channel4 a sell out when it actually does a story they dont like , you can see that these same people comment and praise channel4 when its a story they like , check names and comments 100% true , LOL what a joke
Anti semitic != Anti Israel. Oh and I'm not a corbyn supporter, but I fully agree with his point.
So 2 Corbyn supporters discuss the issue!
How can corbyn be so confidently accused of anti semetism when so many inteligent, rational Jews like the man in this interview and John Landsman believe he is not?!
What?? All he did was try to calm the meeting down and your calling him antisemitic? No wonder people don’t trust the media...
Obsessing about Palestine (arab nationalism) whilst remaining silent on Syria, Kurds, Rohinga, Tibet, & persecution of Uighars in China- leads to inevitable conclusion that this is motivated by antisemitism
criticizing Israel's foreign policy treatment of the Palestinians and calling it antisemitic is about as absurd as denouncing Saudi Arabia's involvement in Yemen and calling it Islamophobic. the double standards is just hypocrisy at it's worst.
Thanks for this, I was going to vote Labour in the next elections, but not anymore. Tories all the way.
Israel is the only true democracy in the Middle East. Palestine was never a country, people need to realize that it was an area that used to be part of Jordan in the Pan-Jordan Kingdom.
What about Tunisia?
Should rename the labour party. How about The national socialist party.
John Smith, What policies does the labour party and the National Socialist German Workers Party have in common?