Daniel Kahneman & Yuval Noah Harari in conversation
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2024
- Daniel Kahneman and Yuval Noah Harari in: 'Global Trends Shaping Humankind', a conversation moderated by Kara Swisher.
This session was a part of the 2021 Nexus Online Summit, organized by the American Friends of The Hebrew University.
This kind of content in the internet for free is the most amazing thing😊
Yes it is amazing, but remember, it is not really free.
Yeah but unfortunately the takers are handful globally 😞
Yeah
@@santiagosuarezgarcia814 Do you mean because of ads or UA-cam Premium (which I have) or something more sinister?
Or is the electricity that brings us the internet even more amazing
I love how modest they both are in the introduction 😆. Daniel is like "now I don't teach anymore". Oh yeah, and also you changed the field of Economics as a psychologist with a single paper and you're a Nobel prize winner!
Hahaha
I had the same thought after listening that introduction
Haha, Can I ask you Something?
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THANKS. ABOUT TIME WE HAVE SOME HUMILITY. ....
tbh i've been confused why Daniel has been lauded for making the same criticisms of orthodox economics that anarchist and socialist economists have been making for years. i read Thinking Fast Thinking Slow the whole while wondering what all the fuss as it all seemed pretty self evident. Perhaps it is because his influence has been so pronounced as to have seeped naturally into my education. I am aware that he has been publishing academically for many decades so i can only presume this to be the case.
Your an idiot the guys scumbag you an indoctrinated moron
"I want to congratulate and thank Kara for moderating this talk so effectively.
Her witty intelligent insights and contributions added immensely to this interview.
I hope to see more female role models like Kara taking on intellectually heavy topics."
Michael Flanagan
Ditto. Very poignant observation.
Definitely ... she is as smart as those guys and as up to date.
I agree, as a man. The role model aspect is important.
What is her full name?
I think I'm the luckiest person on earth. Listening to my two favorite thinkers discussing their insights about humanity for free from where I'm currently living is the greatest thing happened this year.
The global trend of US hegemony is past. US is going down the pan, Chinese social economy will replace western capitalism. The covid pandemic has accelerated the process.
except it's not free is it, well you give your data to google via youtube but yes in the sense that you are not explicitly paying for this particular content with hard cash then yes you can call it as "free"
@@bhismakoirala3840 Google coding was developed by US military, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, using public funds and given for free to google. Google was never free in the first place.
@Robert Castro bro next time use a pencil on paper..
Really Harrari klosest man to Klas schwab he is scary Dangerous
Thank you, internet, for allowing us to hear these three people talk for free.
(I know that Yuval Noah Harari will say that it's not "free" as we are giving them our info and resources, but yeah...)
To "Free enough for practical purposes" he may agree.
Growing up in Japan where children (and adults) are told and taught ‘‘Silence is Golden (and Beauty)”, it is still amazing and at times overwhelming to witness the empowering and free-flowing conversations by prominent intellectuals and deep thinkers!! Deep appreciations for the engaging and stimulating conversations by the prominent thinker of our time!!
What a dumb statement. How much is your phone again? Your phone service monthly cost? Your electric bill? Your internet service on top of THAT?
All that BEFORE getting to all the data mining available by your using UA-cam and the advertisement forced on you unless you're willing to pay for that too. What an ignorant comment.
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What I see here is, Yuval enjoying every word of Daniel and Daniel soaking in every word of Yuval. They are both enjoying, grasping new things from one another, and are very open-minded.
Two of the most humble people in the entire cosmos.
In a simple way Harrari alerts us about the importance of values and principles in a way to assure human survival
It would be more interesting if there were points where they disagreed though. It kinda lacks a critical counter voice.
That was my exact impression! I was very impressed by both of them separately, now I'm impressed even more seeing how they collaborate, share the ideas and opinions.
@@chandir7752 yes it will be more beneficial for audience
@@dr-gaberibrahim5268 I guess 24/7 news channel debates made us think that way.
What a privilage to be able to listen these two giants in the comfort of our living room. Thanks for all
the people to make this happen
Indeed ! Fully agree. It nourishes our mind and brain
Oh wow. It doesn't get much more of a treat than this. Thank goodness we live in such times when one can access such greats for free, at one's convenience. I will definitely enjoy the next 1h30 :) greets from Bucharest, RO!
The world is a richer place for having these two great thinkers ❤️
Both brilliant minds.. Daniel Kahneman's pointed out important aspects.. As well as Yuval. What a wonderful opportunity for us
Utterly Amazing. This needs to get a billion views so the world sits up, listens and digests.
The world will be digesting bugs if we follow the philosophy of some.Truly nothing to aspire to for most of us.
Joanna Tekin: much of humanity does! An excellent and highly efficient source of protein. It's the " noise" that prevents use in societies not doing so.
@@wernerstapela4616 look up chitons and comprehend that they are toxic to humans
@@meganisaac5702 We were talking about bugs in general, not a specific kind. In many parts of the world chitons are also eaten, but I'm unfamiliar with them and know nothing about their toxicity or otherwise.
You dont know what your talking about. this is dangerous and vial this is diabolical, you indoctrinated idiots are going to lose your freedoms.
Kara Swisher is so freakin good! Thanks so much for tapping into these brilliant minds and bringing us so powerful insights and wisdom
I’ll start to worry about AI when my auto-correct actually starts working correctly.
Yeah, and my ice maker, blue tooth devices, car windows, HVAC, smoke detectors, etc. We're all wage slaving consumers. What makes this great is ability to follow their ideas, listen -- without thought disrupting, brain cell killing, grossly interrupting advertisements!!
It never will. Technology that works will be used for other purposes.
You missed a trick by not including an autocorrect mistake in this!
Great point !
i find it mostly doesn't work because I use less-common words sometimes... also -- Have you tried chat-gpt? Start worrying.
This is one of the best interviews and conversations I’ve seen in a very, very long time.
"Confidence is everything to do with the internal and emotional coherence, nothing with the truth." Amazing!!!
Absolutely brilliant spotting saying during this great conversation..
@@aneliseborrelli5310 oooo
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Two brilliant speakers and the moderator is just outstanding! Thanks Yuval for the upload.
I'm more optimistic about the future when I can watch a video with two of the greatest minds of our time giving us some of their wisdom for free on youtube. Thank you very much!
Dr. Y.N.Harari , Dr. D.Kahneman, THANK YOU !!!!! Dear Kara Swisher, an excellent moderation. Thank you all for this inspiring exciting conversation
I love the way how Kahneman smiles when Harari's talking :D
Yes, i noticed that as well. My interpretation is that he's just as fascinated by how Yuval talks about big ideas as we are. And in a sense, he's doubly impressed because Kahneman has had to give 'big idea' talks to explain his research and he's very good at it, but Yuval is on another level of connecting big ideas and making them accesible.
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39:47 -- I think he's wondering whether or not to pop YNH's bubble. That guy is put on a pedestal and people seem to think he can do no wrong.
@@justgivemethetruth put on a pedestal..? as far as I can see he's an academic whose managed to do very well for himself by writing pop-science/history books and communicating them well to a general audience, while being entertaining and engaging. as far as I can tell he generally steers away from getting involved in whatever particular political or social shitfight which is going on at a given time these days as well, which I think is good. I'd be curious to know where your resentment toward him comes from?
@@paulcassidy4559
My "resentment" seems to come from you as it is entirely in your head. I have no resentment towards YNH at all. I have a couple of his books and I am hear listening to him and DK for over an hour. I disagree with some of his more wild, or speculative statements about AI and I admit I am less diplomatic about it than KS or DK. If you are curious as to my views just read my comments. There are as many positive as negative and in fact I highlighted some of his quotes as being very insightful, such as:
1:03:39 -- "The basis for human success is not the truth, it's cooperation, and it is easier to cause people to cooperate with a fiction than it is with the truth" - Yuval Noah Harari
That was probably in this discussion the key criterion, explained perfectly, as to whether humanity can pull together.
But one thing goes sort of get my goat, when someone says something critical of someone else's hero they feel they have to jump in and insult that person or attack them. Tell the truth, are you really curious as to where my resentment comes from or do you just hate anyone that you quickly categories as disagreeing with your hero and want to lash back, but you have to disguise it into some kind of passive aggression?
I feel I am being a bit critical of YNH for the lack of rigor some of his comment on AI are subject to, but I do the same for Elon Musk and other people talk about AI like it's Colosus: The Forbin Project.
Oh, and I get a bit tired of hearing how much better things are getting over time which I think is a meaningless measure ... which I expressed on other comments you didn't read.
Yes, his smile is very revealing.
Insightful, informative and thought provoking - an hour and a half well spent! Thank you Dr. Harari (eagerly awaiting your next book), Dr. Kahneman & Kara Swisher.
Two of the most brilliant minds alive today.
For sure
three I think, that interviewer is top!!
Daniel is so humble!!!! His books are awesome!
I'd vote for him for world president in a heartbeat ... actually either of them, but mostly Kahneman.
It is such an insightful conversation! 🙏 I love the moderator as well. She is good.
its true most of interviews are sabotaged by moderators
"most people don't want to know the truth about themselves as individual or as collectives..." Harari
A section from a book by Israeli historian Yuval Noah Harari discussing lies told by Russian President Vladimir Putin was omitted from the Russian translation of “21 Lessons for the 21st Century."
That part of the book was instead replaced by a section on U.S. President Donald Trump, a change made with the author’s permission.
Thank you for this fantastic conversation, and my special thanks to the moderator for her excellent job
A wonderful conversation. And a great moderator. Thank you!
Seems like on one hand Yuval talks about people falling for a narrative but at the same time he is offering his own. Great conversation. One of the best I have seen.
@ - I've been too critical here of Harari, but this comment is absolutely brilliant. I've not heard it ever expressed so well.
"The basis for human success is not the truth, it's cooperation, and it is easier to cause people to cooperate with a fiction than it is with the truth" - Yuval Noah Harari
Disparaging meatbrain while praising AI/algorithm, product of meatbrain. Unless we meatbrains are the product of AI finally viewing our master/matrix.
Happy this clip popped up in my feed! ...all thanks to algorithms 👀 🤗
Like Yuval said, you are being taught by someone who is inorganic.
Yuval, your words inspire me every time I hear you !
I always waits to hear from you
Best video I have seen on UA-cam so far. Just an amazing, thought-provoking discussion!
Thanks for bringing these two together!!!
accept and embrace the fact that you don't really understand yourself. Stop being so certain and confident, be more curious and humble.. That's how we can live in a better world! Thank you Mr. Harari
Extremely thought provoking and insightful discussion. As the saying goes great minds think alike, it was humbling to see both Daniel and Youval have so much respect for each other while making their own perspectives clear and loud. Like the other commentators have said before me, I feel lucky to be in the times that we can enjoy such content ‘for free’. The sad part is while a vulgar song or some cheap prank video would have so many more millions of views and likes, the contents such as this get so limited views. My conclusion from this is, human rationally is still infantile and it needs to grow so much more in the times to come.
True, but not room or time for human consciousness to grow.
@ - I've been too critical here of Harari, but this comment is absolutely brilliant. I've not heard it ever expressed so well.
"The basis for human success is not the truth, it's cooperation, and it is easier to cause people to cooperate with a fiction than it is with the truth" - Yuval Noah Harari
People need myths, but now all myths no matter how beautiful can be shot down so fast.
But are you listening? The human’s time is almost up as far as free choice.
@@sheridixon190 Yeah yeah kid.
No not insightful or thought provoking just vile and disgusting.
@@sheridixon190 no its not your delusional
Well done. Both of you are great minds of our times. Stay blessed. Perhaps we need paradigm shift now...
Thanks Yuval, thanks Daniel for sharing valuable ideas.
Thanks for giving us this for free!
What a platform, where we can find two brilliant thinkers having a conversation. This is the best of social media!
Wow ! two of my favorite thinkers discussing insightful ideas!
Same!
Amasing, educational and thought provoking! Thanks a lot!
A fascinating and thought provoking talk. Many thanks to the speakers and the moderator.
Thank you all, hacking the mind is always a fascinating topic.
Very brilliant man... amazing knowledge 🙏
Thank you for putting this together . This is lovely and so full of insights I can't help but agree and see logically
What a great conversation! Thank you!
Daniel made beautiful and strong observation out of yuval' s analysis that we of him doesn't represent whole WE and democracy won't survive on which human boast of.
"The basis for human success is not the truth, it's cooperation, and it is easier to cause people to cooperate with a fiction than it is with the truth" - Yuval Noah Harari
So true, people need myths, visions for inspiration, but today all myths no matter how beautiful can be shot down so fast that nothing has a chance to humanize us together.
I feel an internal incoherence having benefited from this gem of insight without a fee. Please take my money. Thank all three of you. Just profound.
Good scenarios don't come easily into my mind. I loved the way you expressed each and every thought. love Daniel🥰🥰🥰
Yuval.....in the noise of chaos, wisdom grows. But hidden in plain sight, unless listened to carefully. It never seeks limelight but works every moment to lighten life's lemons.
Amongst their many achievments and all the praise they are due, they are the authors of two of the books that have changed my life and the way I think (more slow than fast now hopefully ;) ).
Thank you for making and broadcasting this conversation it was thought-provoking and exciting!
A very very high quality intersection of thoughts for present as well as for future!!!! A rare diamond insights in the midst of so many distractions.
high class talk! really enjoyed listening to both of these great thinkers!
I literally cannot get enough of Yuval and Daniel Kahneman 😊
Such an amazing treat to watch the two. Loved the dynamics between them. Kudos to Kara as well !
True, the future will change unimaginably and in ways we cannot foretell. Big data, AI and all inorganic ( whatever), present huge opportunities for creating positive changes, while at the same time pose major threats. I would think Regulation would have a critical role to play here, in fuelling the best ideas and also keeping checks so mankind does not end up destroying itself.
The "elites" will be the regulators, the new tyrants. Our elected politicians will all be Yes Men/Women. When Einstein split the atom there was the same discussion about positive changes vs major threats, and the atom bomb won out. Harari is a transhumanist, a grave danger to all humanity. Listen to some of his rantings at the WEF, placing chips in children's brains etc.
Great Conversation! Thank you Yuval & Kahneman
This discussion by these 3 intellects is so very interesting. I love listening to prof Yuval! Yuval my hero!
I definitely like the ending part - from 1hr 26 min to the ending with - “know thyself.” Also I liked the part where Yuval Harari said to think of the worst powerful man in the world and find the way to address it by using technology/AI or else (related to our mind) It was quite a discussion where there was certain drive to share concerns/ ideas - pointing the direction we all may need to engage ourselves and get some inspiration, image, insight and act upon. Perhaps, Harari's expereience from his 45 days in vippasana meditation retreat and Daniel's interest in why we do what we do - had helped to bring such an interesting discussion for us to listen to. (BTW I thought I was quite amazed to read Ray Kutzweil 4-5 years ago, but this video was equally - actually, more powerful/ engaging me to realize what is at stake - and what we may do something about it - also at the level of each individual. Thanks you - Kio
I am in awe. This is a tremendous presentation. These gentlemen have nailed it. A beautiful listen.
I've always wanted this but never expected this. Amazing
Simply perfect! Thanks a lot, Harari!
Thank you for this superb dialogue! I wish more people see it and contemplate the topics you discussed!
It’s just amazing! I’m watching this for free while driving to work... what an amazing time to be alive
You're driving and watching?! Is this a death wish?
@@michaeltoch9303 JAJAJAJA listening 😅 sorry English is not my first language lol
Enjoyed so much to listen this conversation
Thank you so much for posting this. Absolutely fantastic discussion!!!
Each video is like a book
I’m reading Thinking fast and slow at the moment, what a nice coincidence!
That book stands next to Homo Deus on my shelf👍
That is one of the best non-fiction books ever.
Me too! And re-reading.
@@mtumasz
If you liked that one, you might enjoy "The End Of The MegaMachine" by Fabian Schiedler ... very similar but from a more political and practical point of view, but also more of a reframing history book. Brilliant.
@@justgivemethetruth thnx 4 the tip - the introduction got my attention but I disagree with the author on the importance of debating history or counting seconds on an imaginary clock:-P
Beautiful minds at work, extraordinary communication talent that made simple to follow their conversation on multiple layers.
Thx to Kara Swisher that made it happen.
Amazing discussion!
Thank you very much!
Thought provoking as always! Thank you Yuval 💜
Just grateful to hear this. Any of these gentlemen speak - i can just hear them for hours. They are among the greatest thinkers of our generation..
Oh god! I've read both these guys books. I never thought they'll ever meet. This is objectively more exciting than a new video of pop music !
Thank you so, so much to all present in this debate.
Just Amazing! Two of my favorite authors! Really thought provoking!
I loved the point Yuval made at the end... that tech innovators should ask is...what would the politician I most dislike be able to do with my invention...if it is not good...think again about how to make it better.
This reminds me of what Daniel said in Fast and Slow about an exercise to be made just before your team is about to agree on a decision. It went something like: "Imagine a future, where this decision has had horrible consequences. What happened and why?" I think it's one of the best advices to combat group think and its super nice to see that Yuval has such a similar method of pushing the powerful ones to think about the unwanted consequences of their actions.
That's just a horriblly naive understanding of how tech inventions work.
@@MiraMelodie what is it in Yuval’s or Daniel’s remark that makes you think they’re understanding is naive? I mean they both either work or have interviewed the top management teams of tech giants.
Thank you for this amazing conversation. In the jungle of profit orientated news, this content is enabling the public to see the issues humanity will face and it helps to start creating a future that will benefit a broader population around the world.
Congratulations and thanks full for publishing and sharing this so unvaluable and awesome kind of contents, which enforce thinking and meditation about future of human communities.
“The key problem is that the truth is very often first complicated than some fanciful story somebody invents and secondly it’s very painful, most people don’t want to know the truth about themselves as individuals or as collectives”
This is a core issue that need to be addressed, “ how do we intend to address the inability of people to be truthful and honest oneself?”
@@tatwamasi3536 I think it all dissects to ‘knowing yourself’ which is the most difficult thing to do as an individual
@@MosesRabuka Exactly
There’s no way out except subjective realisation.
@@tatwamasi3536 True
@@tatwamasi3536 psychedelics and meditation.
Yuman beans 😆 love Yuval Noa.
Let's keep our fingers crossed for we can not comprehend the foreseeable future.
Thank you so much Harari ♥
I am big fan of daniel kahne man. I wish to see him live a lot of longer to listen to him.
I read sapiens and few of some works of yuval, which really made me think about past present and future . The two greats I am grateful to listen to.
1:26:07 - This is really interesting. Yuval Noah Harari talks about his interest in poetry, or maybe it's religion or myth making, or inspirational idea, if he could not do what he is doing today, because the thing that has had the most affect on human behavior are the myths we resonate with. That is a really beautiful and amazing thought. This has turned out to be a great discussion. Really appreciate it.
Whenever I suggest that the greatest human desire is not "love" but "self-worth," the defensiveness that is next witnessed is downright scary. But it is as true as is the dreams that get us out of bed every day, and also proves why Daniel is spot on right @ ~ 25:00 when he says "UBI" is a fantasy.
Thank you for such an inspiring conversation
So awesome to see these gentlemen together
"Ai will treat us like house cats" - love that comment!
Let's not forget that there are different kind of cats and different treatments that we humans offered to them: black cats, stray cats, feral cats, fancy cats...
Yuval needs to know of Groovism!! Humanity’s instinctual unifying belief system (religion!?!)
So it will just be like how the woke folk in the US treat AOC.
What a treat. Two heavyweights, and I especially found Kara's way of moderating very clever and conducive.
Wonderful talk, thank you very much for sharing it 🤗🙏🏼🙏🏼
Damn, those geniuses!! What a great conversation. Thank you.
The greatest anime crossover in history
Hhaha didn't expect to see anime references in this comment section.
Now if we can just get a full adaptation
I'm trying to imagine the amount of reading that Yuval must have done to come up with his analyses.
Great thinker
Yes
Thanks for bringing together two great intellect of our time and helping to understand macro and futuristic issues of the world beyond constant “noise” that we are bombarded all the time.
Great Conversation. Thank you.
39:47 - Nailed it .... Kahneman is amazing ... I love the guy, he really sees clearly and cannot be distracted.
And those powerful groups of people acting in their own self interests are lazy and do not want to be bothered to value the rest of us any more than the European settlers put any value on Native Americans or African slaves ... or anyone anywhere else in the world.
“history tells us we can’t predict the future”
Overall very true, although there are exceptions, The Black Mirror series have been scarily accurate
How? Give one concrete example
If I sit down and predict hundreds of future scenarios I will also be right a few times
Future. No more humans, and God Wins. End of story. 🙏
I have read all Harari's books and I must say this guy is a great thinker of our time. Daniel Keheneman. I will read you. You soud so witty in this interview.
Awesome! Truly awesome! Don’t skip even a second of it.
Would be interesting to hear a talk of Yuval with Jordan Peterson.
I would be absolutely floored if Harari was willing.
Upvoted in the hope this will happen.
Why Peterson?
I really liked what Harari said at min 4:34 which I paraphrased below:
"This is the first time in human history that we have no idea how the world would look like in a very short time, let's say in 20 years.
I mean, predictions were never very accurate: if you live in the middle ages, you don't know what will happen in 20 years. Maybe the vikings will invade, maybe the mongols will invade, maybe there'll be a plague, an earthquake. All kinds of things could happen, but at least you know that the basic features of human life are going to be the same.
When you think for example about the job market or the skills you need, then you know you should teach your kids how to harvest wheat, bake bread and ride a hose because even if the mongols invade, and even if the vikings come, and even if there is a plague or an earthquake, they would still need to harvest wheat and to ride a horse. So, that's a safe bet.
Now if we look 20 years into the future we have no idea what the job market would look like, or what skills people will need. So that's the one big thing that is changing: the pace of change is accelerating.
The other thing is that, for the first time in history, the deep structure of human beings is likely to start changing. We are the same animals we were in the middle ages, in biblical times or even in the stone age. This is why we can so easily connect to people or appreciate works of art from thousands of years ago: they were written by people just like us.
But when I look 100 or 200 years into the future, I think for the first time it's very likely that not just our technology and economics and politics will change but humanity itself will change. The bodies, the brains, the deep mental structures of people are now open to greater and greater manipulation. I think it's a reasonable bet that in a century or two our planet will be dominated by entities which are much more different from you and me, just like we are different from the neanderthals or even chimpanzees.
It’s possible that, after four billion years of organic evolution, we will see non-organic entities taking over. This is a completely new thing, nothing like the rise of christianity, the industrial revolution, or the second world war."
If you feel overwhelmed on a daily basis, you got some pretty good reasons for it. 😅
Great comment!
what utter stupidity
Yuup
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You could hide that simply by not commenting, you don't have to tell everybody.
@@justgivemethetruth that was in regard to people predicting the future, not the commenters comment.
Very nice questions and very brilliant answers .. Thanks
Very enriching conversation. Thankyou for uploading this video