their software for bot detection actually can detect it all, they just have the actual botwatch turned off, it'd be impossible to bot if botwatch was turned back on.
@Mark Rodriguez lol okay well what about the mobile bots that use autohotkey and are very hard to detect because anyone can put a sticky note with holes cut out in it and tap on rocks for multiple hours? i've had bots run for many months on mobile and haven't recieved any bans.
I agree but I kinda understand why it is this way. Just imagine if you can always appeal, how many people who actually DID bot etc will keep on trying to get their account back, being desperate and coming up with lame excuses. If all of this needs to be looked into it's a serious waste of time. I'm absolutely not saying that people who are banned for no reason shouldn't be able to appeal but it would certainly be chaotic...
@@AerinK97 it's annoying though. I literally see blatant bots all the time on f2p when I'm trying to mine. They're always there, so obviously their auto detect system is super flawed.
I've been banned for botting when playing legit, and a friend of mine has as well while AFKing NMZ to train combat, no appeals. The appeal page should say to go yell at JMods on Twitter, that's what we had to do.
Sure now we can laugh about it, because he's a well known osrs streamer and it got fixed like right away. But it makes you wonder how many people without any kind of clout got wrongfully banned. Big fcking Yikes to me.
@@divinethug1 i got banned on my main over 2k hours played on vanilla client banned for "macroing major" like wtf... i legit cried after i got banned now i have no way to talk to jagex
@UC6ElrKa4EaByBFS-ztlWToA But he wasn't botting you pleb. And neither did others that EVScape mentions that were banned in that wave. So the unappealable shit does need to stop.
@@vipsk8er7794 100% I have stopped playing lvl 123.. 92 rcing like fuck im not doing that again. i know a few people who have had it happen and just lost all motivation. great way to loose player base.
jagex - "we do know false positives do happen" also jagex - "our system is irrefutable, its 100% correct all the time, if we give you an unapealable ban you deserve it" cool cool
Don't forget the key line... "If you even try to appeal a ban, we'll go out of our way to threaten you". I was refused any evidence as to why I was perm-banned, and then threatened when I tried to appeal it.
the level of customer support on OSRS is still better than another MMO called Perfect World. They have nil customer support and havent had any for years. If you ask for support in a email you get banned xD
@@BristolViking I get it but that still doesn't mean OSRS shouldn't have better service. One companies lack of service shouldn't justify another ones lack of service.
yet rune rocks every world, every location are taken up by bots that dont get banned literal questing boss farms with 30 accounts just running all day that dont get banned
"Imagine we weren't streamers" my account literally got banned during an extended period where I wasn't playing and there was for sure no one playing it during that time. Got the account back but seriously, is the banning process just like a random daily raffle?
Its happened to me a few times as well lol. I think I may have gone onto one of those dodgy Runescape sites that look legit but aren't a few years back when I didn't know how people could hack your account, without realising it wasn't the normal site, but you could log in and everything so I think my account got screwed over from that. Ive had to just completely change my in-game name and password to try and make my account less noticeable to those hackers but also the 2fa helps a lot as well.
Someone probably did play, there was some massive data leaks a few years back. Same thing happened to me, got the account back, i'm sure it helped that i was a long term member, and it was obvious the IP that logged on before wasn't even close to where I live. I'm sure ftp players that get perm banned have no chance
It's actually quite common for inactive accounts to become targets for being hacked and turned into a bot. Happened to me years ago, logged into my character killing chaos druids for herbs. Lucky I didn't lose my account.
the problem is that even those who got rightfully banned would appeal it aka causing a lot more work for nothing while this is awesome idea jagex does not have resources even remotely close to having enough people to process every single banned account
@@e36fanatics "cause alot more work for nothing" watch your wording there bud, you make it sound like an account that has over 1000+hrs of non botted gameplay is not worth unbanning.... It does suck that bitters would start appealing bans too tho.
Thank god false positives only affect well-known streamers who have J-Mods in their audience! Imagine if an ordinary player received an unrightful ban, I'm so glad that never happens! Twice, Jagex. Twice.
@@miciso666 and when unbanned you don't get membership refund. you don't get a sorry. and the "offense" stays on your account. eventho they unbanned because false flag
This happened to my buddy. He only wanted 99 agility before ditching his account just to get a 99. A day after 98 agility he gets the same thing. Did 90% on mobile and the rest on the regular client. It's beyond stupid.
Not that amazing when you think about it. The people botting 100m xp are using complex, handwritten scripts made by programmers who know what they're doing. Jagex falsely banning people for bottling is the consequence of them tightening their bot detection and causing a few false positives as a result The 2 are linked together
🦀🦀🦀 Jamflex Won't Respond To This 🦀🦀🦀 My main from 2008-ish was macro majored. They had "Evidence" but wouldn't show it. Was roughly after I paid upfront for 12 months of membership, I charged back so hard and never looked back.
This is crazy because on the same day you were banned I was banned for the same thing, i'm not a live streamer and have no route into appealing this ban. This is ridiculous.
Man almost like their system is flawed. They have zero tech support for false flags and they are "100%" sure that they have a perfect system. Bunch of bell ends.
They released an announcement because they flubbed up and accidentally banned a streamer. In the years before there was no announcement there was no "we know we mess up" did you listen to or read the first ban message?
@@Maddogs1 they even say that their system has picked you up and a human has checked. .. So they no without a benefit of doubt that you cheat (but it's a false positive)
I'm wondering if the tos agreement protects them from being forced to pay money for every hour worked on the account. Would make it really interesting if people started lawsuits for 20 dollars a hour x thousands of hours.
@@xGWASx Man you've been trolling all over the comments section. The video above proves to you that that is bullshit. Not everybody bots. So you can't have a blanket appeal system like this because if people get wrongfully banned, which --does-- happen, they need to be able to have a voice.
I can't imagine how the developers of a game centered around repeating the same tasks again and again could possibly make an accurate bot detection system
I play Xbox while I play OSRS and I was training agility for hours one day just trying to get it up. I even got disconnected a few times so obviously I wasn’t a bot but got permabanned and no reply from Jagex on twitter even though they answered questions from today already
it's funny cuz in their message 2 you they were flexing how detailed their detection system is... and yet u were falsely detected?? what a joke! I'm glad u got ur account back!
Kirill429 That’s the thing. If he wasn’t a streamer, he’d be banned. There are probably hundreds of people who are banned, without an appeal chance, who don’t deserve it. I was placed on a temp-ban for alching using Sticky Keys (which is allowed). Their detection is absolute garbage.
iAmHealthy yeah man I got a temp ban for shortcutting things like that. I have since disabled everything.. I’ve spent over a year getting 1750+ and a qpc.. I don’t want it to go to waste
Tivia I had my first account banned, cause I had asked my buddy for his phone number and someone around reported me for that. I was like 8 years old, and had just gotten a phone, and the dude from another school who I knew in real life, had a phone. So we talked on runescape and was asking for his number, I had just got the RAZR, so 2004-2005? Even my buddy contacted support, saying we knew each other irl,.
True, let alone do the infernal cape legit and suddenly have it removed because they think u bought it and their policy is if u can get it once u can get another one also.
this is facts. I actually just wrote them a complaint essentially saying this because of all the illegitimate bans ive heard of lately. Absolute bullshit
an account ive had since 2009, my original RS account, was banned along with another of my accounts while i was playing on 4 of them at the same time. just like EVScape it was the same pc and only some of those accounts were "detected as botting". it makes no sense that you "detected" a bot but only 2 of 4 accounts were banned. the account ive had for 10 years now is named Jasonsnice because all i ever do is help people and take time to explain stuff while everyone else is being a dick. that account still logs in with the name and not the email, thats how old it is. it is a part of my being and what built me as a gamer and content creator. i was depressed for a month because of the ban. i was legit contemplating suicide because of how much of my life was just cut out and how much time was now wasted. i play on 9 accounts in total to support my main by woodcutting yews on f2p because im disabled and cant afford to pay for membership. im scared to log in now, just like you.
Now I understand why bots exist, whoever created the clients must've gotten banned like this. Makes me not even want to earn my levels legitimately anymore
Thank you for making a video about this. Someone has to call attention to this problem. Well-known streamers & UA-camrs are in the best position to do so.
This makes the whole game shit. Imagine this happened to someone who just plays the game for fun and really loves the game? They will lose a lot of players overtime.
@@Mushbug88 They aren't human bots, they are using bot programs just like the other botters, they just have no value in the account and don't give a shit, as they can just make a new account and continue to bot again.
best part about getting a false ban is that, if you have a concurring memership via credit card they don't cut that. as someone who plays for a few months at a time and might take a month or more of a break it really broke my heart when my account ive been using since like 2009 got permbanned when i didn't even play for a month AND jagex still billed my card for membership. I got a new account now playing osrs (played rs3 on the old one) and it's not the end of the world but still, really unfair and crooked.
I wouldn't feel too secure about that, my alt pure account got banned while doing quests for 'major macroing' with no appeal, tried for a bit to get it back but nobody would listen, funny thing is i was playing my main account at the same time and it never got banned.
@@EVScape I'm sorry to take it out on you, and it's not your fault this happened clearly, but it sucks for anyone not in your position. And sweens response didn't help lol
I had an old account that got unjustly banned just like that, barely used it so was never bothered. Just scary to think that this is actually somewhat common occurrence.
Jagex needs to do something about this. I’m glad you brought it up. There are many players who have been falsely banned. But they aren’t as lucky as you.
They need to get their voices heard. Active and inactive players alike cannot progress this game with such low security. Even if it hasn't happened to me ever I need a guaranteed account security. Hackers and botters cannot get away with shit like this.
Matias Degling so you’re literally gonna comment on a video of someone being banned without cause, saying that you don’t believe that somebody else was banned without cause? Logic.
Thanks Jake, you really are using your powers (your voice) to do good. Giving a voice to the problem that the little man can’t speak out about. Thanks for bringing light to this issue. I hope it opens up a door to help players get their acc back. #UpTheBois
I’m permanently muted and they won’t show me the evidence. It tells me to check my message box which is empty and it’s not appealable… Jagex is ridiculous!
This has happened to me too, main was maxed RS3, had just gotten 98 slayer on OSRS, Ironman had stuff like ranger boots, just did MM2, support is so dismissive, they think it can do no wrong. RSNs are Giant dwarf/Giant dwarfs if you're interested.
This happened to my account and I never used a third party client. I applied it and they denied my appeal. I have played for years and never botted. I’m so frustrated that I can’t get in contact with Jagex. I’m glad this didn’t only happen to me. Jagex need to do something about this.
"Our system can detect third party software" - OKAY, storytime. This was back is 2010 but one of my buddies in college actually introduced me to the whole botting world. This was when PowerBot was the big one. I watched the dude literally get 99 smithing doing Cannonballs 24/7 and nothing ever happened to his account. There are still people who do this. Now there are moments like this where you got your account banned on live stream. Honestly, there are probably a lot of people who have this happen to them as you said and won't ever get their real hard work back, but at the same time you have people who actually bot and they are in the clear. It's just kind of sad.
Company's always say that, but as someone who has done it on other games, including making software and mods myself. No they can't detect it, and as much as they may think they can they can't. Especially not scripts that just move a mouse, since you can just have it copy your actual movements several times add in some misclicks, avoid letting it make patterns, and bam undetected. They try to detect software, but if you inject it like a virus or trojan that hides from anti virus software their software wont notice either
I remember I got perm banned when I was 13 (10 years ago) for asking someone to Pass the Gnomeball hahaha. It took the full summer to get unbanned after a constant back and forth with my aunt and jagex.
I once got banned for 2 weeks for “botting” I was cutting yews for about 30 mins while cooking dinner for my kids.. came back to the disabled account screen. Luckily I’m still able to access my account today!
Terminal Doc no, I had a 14 day ban for “botting” even though I was just afk woodcutting yew logs. After the 2 weeks, I was able to log in. I think that’s called a soft ban.
It's a bit late but I actually experienced this. I had a high level account with over 500 hours in the game and probably a couple hundred dollars worth of memberships spent. Well I left the game for a few years, mostly due to not having a compute or internet. When I came back, my account was perma banned for botting. I appealed it once and nothing came of it. I appealed one more time and finally a mod named Mod Tattoo said that he noticed that the account was acting odd during the time of the offense so assumes that I, the creator/owner of the account wasnt the one who did the offense. So he supposedly removed the offenses and reactivated my account. Yet my account is still banned and unable to play. It's rather ridiculous.
The same thing happened to me, I spent a week making tweets and messaging mods until they probably got annoyed enough to unban me. Then literally a day after I was perma banned again for spamming chat with advertisements apparently, then that took another week of convincing. It was fun.
This happened to my friend. He's never used any bots or anything, had been going hard playing for 4 months or so at work, he worked behind the desk at a phone repair store that was brand new and they rarely had customers come in, so when he didn't he would just be playing runescape on his laptop, and one day he's banned for macroing major, and as you can imagine, he was never unbanned, harassed Mod Weath on twitter everyday for a good 2 weeks, but to this day is still banned and this happened years ago. It made him stop playing their game.
Thanks for shedding some light on this issue EV. I have not been a victim of the false ban but as a player and a huge fan of Runescape, I appreciate you taking the time to be an advocate for this issue.
A friend of mine recently made a new account & trained it on the side. Same story as everyone else here, perm ban, tried to appeal & denied. Wasn’t botting
"What happens to normal users????" Nothing. Been playing since rs came out, never really skilled or done much but quest and events.. had 2 sets of hweens and phats on the acc.. one day decided to go for skillcapes as they were the new thing... got 99 fish/cook/fm in 3 months time. back from first day of HS and my acc was perma'd. There's no winning unless you're known. Been trying to find a way to get unbanned but there's nothing.
same, my level 3 skiller randomly got banned after I came back from a 3 month break and that's where I decided I'm done with this game lol. edit: I just tried my account and it's been unbanned!! holy shit maybe I'm coming back
I got banned for Macroing aswell a few years ago after I hadn't used my account for years. I logged in once after I was muted for server advertising (Evidence wasn't allowed to be shown to me because it might comprimise their security like yeah, you can't show me a screenshot or logs of what I apparently wrote in the game lmao) and then banned permenantly for macroing (Evidence was literally "Comment from Jagex Moderator") I can't remember at all how i got unbanned, all I remember is literally doing everything possible to appeal it, I even found old contact email addresses but unfortunately they were discontinued and just told me to go onto their website. The ban is still on my account it's just been revoked now, so I guess I was a part of this accidental ban wave at one point and they reviewed it and revoked it. It's just a joke how they don't bother to show you what you did wrong even when it's something as blatant as "Server Advertising" which should just be chat logs which I have been warned for when I was apparently "Account Sharing" even though the logs didn't show that at all it was just me and a friend talking.
How is it at a “very low rate” when in the past year it happened to two of my best mates which I know for a fact that they would and they have never botted in their life?? Same exact thing happened no appeal they are out of the game we were 6 guys playing now there’s only 2 of us.
Just because you put that many hours In doesn't really mean anything. There's players who have botted 1000's of hours and there are others with 1000's of hours who are just tired of grinding and turn to botting (not saying he did)
I was banned for Macroing but at the time I hadn't played in nearly 4 years so when i appealed it they unbanned me due to irregular activity. Which i never used bots to begin with.
I was hacked and cleaned and my account sat out of my hands for years untouched. Finally got it back after recovery attempt on a whim and was greeted with a banned for botting hunter. The level was still atrociously trash at 37 as it had been for the years it sat. And they unbanned it within minutes of an appeal even tho they said I couldn't appeal it. They were going to check to see if they could prove my hacked and botted by the hacker story and found out they got it, cleaned it, and never logged in again. So an untouched account was banned for botting while never logged in to lol
I got banned on my hardcore for botting when i began playing osrs as my main game (5+hrs a day) and that put me off the game for nearly a year. I never botted and i’m not a streamer so it took 3 months to get my acc its hardcore status back.
"Just imagine if we weren't streamers...." dude. SO MUCH LOVE for you streamers. But that statement right there, is what is so unfair in this game.... if you're a streamer, you're a god. And the rest of us don't mean much of anything to Jagex....
This just happened to me. I've been using RuneLite and HDOS which aren't bannable clients. Makes me question whether or not I want to sink hundreds of hours into this game just to get banned for no reason lmao. I find it hilarious that they will ban a completely legitimate player but the game is PLAGUED with bots. Un-fucking-real Jagex... 🖕 Edit: Forgot to mention mine is only a 1 day ban but still quite aggravating.
@@sonamrota967 I just did the appeal on the support page. Took a day or so. But long story short my acct was stolen and then someone botted and got me banned. I explained that in the appeal.
This happend to my main. It's still banned but i don't play to grind and stuff anymore. Believe me, it's so shit to be unfairly account disabled after investing so much time and effort. Just pking on my pure.
Literally did every single quest twice, and got over 110 combat twice, 8 legitimate 99s spending hours and hours every day with my GF who also plays. Got banned on both accounts with zero evidence and thousands and thousands of hours wasted. Nothing really compares to the cold feeling you get in your chest when you see that message trying to log in. The fact that I can't appeal them and I'll never get them back is just heartbreaking. Hoping you can help us smaller players gain some traction and exposure to the obvious problems taking place. Thanks for sticking up for us
Jagex's bot detection is so good they can detect if you're botting even if you've never botted.
It's *THAT* good.
Lol
"It just works"
If they hit everyone with a ban, they cant miss
All the banned players are just robots in disguise.
I got banned for macroing and never botted in my life....
i love how cocky their message was "our software can detect ALL blah blah blah" and it was an accident. fking epic
@Luis Menendez So you're a racist homophobic loser piece of shit. Ban deserved lmao
tbonedude12 That was the joke mate
their software for bot detection actually can detect it all, they just have the actual botwatch turned off, it'd be impossible to bot if botwatch was turned back on.
@Mark Rodriguez lol okay well what about the mobile bots that use autohotkey and are very hard to detect because anyone can put a sticky note with holes cut out in it and tap on rocks for multiple hours? i've had bots run for many months on mobile and haven't recieved any bans.
"Imagine you weren't streamers" you'd be perm banned like a bunch of us normal players
So true
My 15 year account got banned I was pisssed I really sat for 1 hour just high alching and got reported inwas pissseedd offffff
😟
Yup. Same. Grinding gold amulets for a bond (the same way I did the first few bonds). Now, an account from 07 is banned.
Time to find a new game.
shit is terrifying
No ban should be completely unappealable, ever, period.
Makes the mods seem kinda arrogant
I agree but I kinda understand why it is this way. Just imagine if you can always appeal, how many people who actually DID bot etc will keep on trying to get their account back, being desperate and coming up with lame excuses. If all of this needs to be looked into it's a serious waste of time. I'm absolutely not saying that people who are banned for no reason shouldn't be able to appeal but it would certainly be chaotic...
@@AerinK97 it's annoying though. I literally see blatant bots all the time on f2p when I'm trying to mine. They're always there, so obviously their auto detect system is super flawed.
I've been banned for botting when playing legit, and a friend of mine has as well while AFKing NMZ to train combat, no appeals. The appeal page should say to go yell at JMods on Twitter, that's what we had to do.
jagex are dingbats
Remember when only us "normal" guys were getting banned and we were just "liars", because we were "obviously botting"?
Good times...
ContactingTheDead the fuck u mean good times? Very sad times.. :(
@@MOETROE3580 , It's sarcasm.
@@ContactingTheDead u kidding me???
The reactions of the boys on stream makes this so good
nice one real world trade mission xddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
@@juun1952 hahahahahahahaha wow!
@@juun1952 why do you say he rwt?
Sure now we can laugh about it, because he's a well known osrs streamer and it got fixed like right away. But it makes you wonder how many people without any kind of clout got wrongfully banned. Big fcking Yikes to me.
@@divinethug1 i got banned on my main over 2k hours played on vanilla client banned for "macroing major" like wtf...
i legit cried after i got banned now i have no way to talk to jagex
I think the whole “unappealable ban” thing needs to be stopped as it has happened to a lot of people who haven’t done a thing but play the game.
Andrew Lamgo I got my main back after 9 years of being perm banned for “macro major”
Yeah this'll hopefully be the final nail in the coffin for that shit
I had my account hacked by RoT and haven’t been able to appeal because the email used was my dad’s who passed away. RSN: Rot randoms
It happend to me... I didn't even played at the time I got banned
@UC6ElrKa4EaByBFS-ztlWToA But he wasn't botting you pleb. And neither did others that EVScape mentions that were banned in that wave. So the unappealable shit does need to stop.
If that had happened to my account I would've never seen that account again... Fix your game Jagex
Happened to me on three accounts in the past. I just watch the videos when I'm bored now, not wasting.my.time playing anymore
I lost a maxed main
@@vipsk8er7794 100% I have stopped playing lvl 123.. 92 rcing like fuck im not doing that again. i know a few people who have had it happen and just lost all motivation. great way to loose player base.
Just happened to me a couple of days ago. And I'll never see that account again.
my main got banned last year for botting when i never did, luckily i had already gotten invested into my iron... appealed ban and just got noped
“Guys.. look at me screen.”
“Do we have to? Because I really can’t be bothered to right now.”
Like damn #noxpwaste 😂
I had this happen to me 5 days ago, I appealed the ban and they rejected my appeal, exact same reason as yours... no longer an rs player
Oh youll come back but as somone standing in the g.e trying to sell 13 trout
Im sorry bro i had my main was banned for false macro ban aswell, good thing i never played that account anyways.
@@DialoX lol i got perm bann, but i appealed and got unbann. I still lost all my shit due to a hacker that also got me banned for macroning...
Join the club. Happened to my main with 2150 total last year. Haven't played since.
Hows that trout doing for ya
jagex - "we do know false positives do happen" also jagex - "our system is irrefutable, its 100% correct all the time, if we give you an unapealable ban you deserve it" cool cool
Incompetent.
Wanna hear a joke?
Jagex customer support
Don't forget the key line... "If you even try to appeal a ban, we'll go out of our way to threaten you". I was refused any evidence as to why I was perm-banned, and then threatened when I tried to appeal it.
@@dambugs yeah, sure you were
@@Mushbug88 Do you want a screenshot of it or something? I'm pretty sure I still have it saved somewhere.
There needs to be options we are basically customers without customer service.
the level of customer support on OSRS is still better than another MMO called Perfect World. They have nil customer support and havent had any for years. If you ask for support in a email you get banned xD
@@BristolViking I get it but that still doesn't mean OSRS shouldn't have better service. One companies lack of service shouldn't justify another ones lack of service.
@@tacforcegaming3220 damn right.
Apt analysis, this should be the top comment
@@BristolViking it has been like this since 2005...
“Do we have to.. cause I really can’t be bothered”
CBA
True friends
@@MrAndersonLP holy shit it's the real you!
lmao Skiddler cracks me up
i dont get it
yet rune rocks every world, every location are taken up by bots that dont get banned literal questing boss farms with 30 accounts just running all day that dont get banned
some of these pusssyy asss jmods or peole working at Jagex run bot farms themselves
"Imagine we weren't streamers" my account literally got banned during an extended period where I wasn't playing and there was for sure no one playing it during that time. Got the account back but seriously, is the banning process just like a random daily raffle?
Its happened to me a few times as well lol. I think I may have gone onto one of those dodgy Runescape sites that look legit but aren't a few years back when I didn't know how people could hack your account, without realising it wasn't the normal site, but you could log in and everything so I think my account got screwed over from that. Ive had to just completely change my in-game name and password to try and make my account less noticeable to those hackers but also the 2fa helps a lot as well.
Someone probably did play, there was some massive data leaks a few years back. Same thing happened to me, got the account back, i'm sure it helped that i was a long term member, and it was obvious the IP that logged on before wasn't even close to where I live. I'm sure ftp players that get perm banned have no chance
It's actually quite common for inactive accounts to become targets for being hacked and turned into a bot. Happened to me years ago, logged into my character killing chaos druids for herbs. Lucky I didn't lose my account.
how did you get it back, this is happening to me but my ban is appealable
This is a perfect example of why these offences should be appealable.
they are
@@mysticflow467 they actually aren't. Microing ban is not appealable
MysticFlow do you watch videos with the sound off? 4head
the problem is that even those who got rightfully banned would appeal it aka causing a lot more work for nothing while this is awesome idea jagex does not have resources even remotely close to having enough people to process every single banned account
@@e36fanatics "cause alot more work for nothing" watch your wording there bud, you make it sound like an account that has over 1000+hrs of non botted gameplay is not worth unbanning.... It does suck that bitters would start appealing bans too tho.
Thank god false positives only affect well-known streamers who have J-Mods in their audience! Imagine if an ordinary player received an unrightful ban, I'm so glad that never happens!
Twice, Jagex. Twice.
also its not instantly deleted.
it gets vaulted for a week.
@@miciso666 yeah and if they get unbanned they would not probably even know :D
@@miciso666 and when unbanned you don't get membership refund. you don't get a sorry. and the "offense" stays on your account. eventho they unbanned because false flag
This happened to my buddy. He only wanted 99 agility before ditching his account just to get a 99. A day after 98 agility he gets the same thing. Did 90% on mobile and the rest on the regular client. It's beyond stupid.
Rusty_Cucumber yikes
Amazing how some people can bot 100m mining xp, whilst others get banned for nothing at all
I bet the bot customer support guys get paid better than at jagex lol
Not that amazing when you think about it. The people botting 100m xp are using complex, handwritten scripts made by programmers who know what they're doing. Jagex falsely banning people for bottling is the consequence of them tightening their bot detection and causing a few false positives as a result
The 2 are linked together
@@loiloiloi6 but it was a manual ban, so even if the detection was a false positive, it shouldn't have been a ban.
for real, even dragon bots dont get banned.
Jim Ross chill bro, they don’t need to burn down.
Sometimes communities, and companies fail.
This makes me want to just stop playing RS if all my progress can be wiped just like that damn.
Exactly why I don't even bother starting the game. I just like watching RS videos.
I have this now wtff
Yeah just happened to me, 2100 total :/
"no reply from jagex at all" lmao, sounds about right
Really
“Imagine if we weren’t streamers” man I wish I could have said that when my account got banned for no reason smh
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You can appeal it even if it says that you can’t. There is a appeal page and you just enter your account info into it
I was safespotting blue drags and this dude kept messaging me, I ignored and an hour later I got temp banned for botting
My account was permanently banned!!!! It said I was marcoing with 3rd party client!!! I looked into the reason and there was no reason.
"imagine we werent streamers" welcome to jagex
🦀🦀🦀 Jamflex Won't Respond To This 🦀🦀🦀
My main from 2008-ish was macro majored. They had "Evidence" but wouldn't show it. Was roughly after I paid upfront for 12 months of membership, I charged back so hard and never looked back.
@@AgentLokVokun im canceling my subscription,aint gonna play no more. nothing changed since 2007.
Yes, it's unfair.
welcome to Fukong Interactive Entertainment
man reddit is on fire about this lmao
Needs to be, this shit is hours and hours of legit grinding for people
It should be tho
@@NorkotahYT that's fked m8
Reddit OMEGALUL
This is crazy because on the same day you were banned I was banned for the same thing, i'm not a live streamer and have no route into appealing this ban. This is ridiculous.
Did u get ur acc back? hope you did.
U get acc back?
Get it back?
no replies... he probably died from a heart attack. poor fella
"Imagine if we weren't streamers" yeah like the thousands of accounts that get banned for botting when they never botted and it's too bad so sad
Man almost like their system is flawed. They have zero tech support for false flags and they are "100%" sure that they have a perfect system. Bunch of bell ends.
well no anti cheat system is 100% perfect and thats why jagex should have better fucking customer support
They literally released a statement within an hour saying their system isn't perfect? What are you on about
They released an announcement because they flubbed up and accidentally banned a streamer. In the years before there was no announcement there was no "we know we mess up" did you listen to or read the first ban message?
@@Maddogs1 he's talking about how they say they're 100% sure that you have broke game rules
@@Maddogs1 they even say that their system has picked you up and a human has checked. ..
So they no without a benefit of doubt that you cheat (but it's a false positive)
The amount of hours I’ve got in this game, would be devastating..... how can you have unappealable bans......
I'm wondering if the tos agreement protects them from being forced to pay money for every hour worked on the account. Would make it really interesting if people started lawsuits for 20 dollars a hour x thousands of hours.
because he ruined the integrity of the game, he doesnt deserve a voice.
@@xGWASx Man you've been trolling all over the comments section. The video above proves to you that that is bullshit. Not everybody bots. So you can't have a blanket appeal system like this because if people get wrongfully banned, which --does-- happen, they need to be able to have a voice.
@@Josh-sm6td i imagine it does. It states somewhere that the account is theirs and youre just using it. They can take it without explanation.
Josh Graham I really hope that this happens lol
Dude this happens soo often and everyone just says yeah right... but nope, jagex has been banning incorrectly for months now.
Years
@@TuKgamerS very true, but it seems to be very common the past few months with jagex trying to crack down on massive botting groups.
@@Zrico91 it gets more common around runefest. last year it happened alot during runefest to
@@ilyrana thats intresting :o
years..
I can't imagine how the developers of a game centered around repeating the same tasks again and again could possibly make an accurate bot detection system
I play Xbox while I play OSRS and I was training agility for hours one day just trying to get it up. I even got disconnected a few times so obviously I wasn’t a bot but got permabanned and no reply from Jagex on twitter even though they answered questions from today already
Johnny B that’s awful I’m so sorry.
comment of the year
And they wonder why the player base is dropping. That's like banning someone from wal mart for shopping
to be fair, it would be a favor to be banned from walmart, that place is cancerous.
it's funny cuz in their message 2 you they were flexing how detailed their detection system is... and yet u were falsely detected?? what a joke! I'm glad u got ur account back!
Underrated post here. All this talk about “unappealable” and whatnot; fame got him appealed. What hot garbage
Kirill429
That’s the thing. If he wasn’t a streamer, he’d be banned. There are probably hundreds of people who are banned, without an appeal chance, who don’t deserve it. I was placed on a temp-ban for alching using Sticky Keys (which is allowed). Their detection is absolute garbage.
This is why i quit the game. Incompetent money hungry jagex still cant give support for their players.
iAmHealthy yeah man I got a temp ban for shortcutting things like that. I have since disabled everything.. I’ve spent over a year getting 1750+ and a qpc.. I don’t want it to go to waste
@@iamhealthy4068 just rwt money and burst, ezwin
Jagex had been illegitmately banning their playerbase for years
Tivia I’ve heard of this before
Tivia I had my first account banned, cause I had asked my buddy for his phone number and someone around reported me for that.
I was like 8 years old, and had just gotten a phone, and the dude from another school who I knew in real life, had a phone.
So we talked on runescape and was asking for his number, I had just got the RAZR, so 2004-2005? Even my buddy contacted support, saying we knew each other irl,.
I'm kinda afraid to log in now
True, let alone do the infernal cape legit and suddenly have it removed because they think u bought it and their policy is if u can get it once u can get another one also.
this is facts. I actually just wrote them a complaint essentially saying this because of all the illegitimate bans ive heard of lately. Absolute bullshit
this happened to Jon on vancouver's stream the other night too, he was also unbanned within minutes but his account was cleaned
Agreed, I don't think I'm going to log in for a long time
an account ive had since 2009, my original RS account, was banned along with another of my accounts while i was playing on 4 of them at the same time. just like EVScape it was the same pc and only some of those accounts were "detected as botting". it makes no sense that you "detected" a bot but only 2 of 4 accounts were banned. the account ive had for 10 years now is named Jasonsnice because all i ever do is help people and take time to explain stuff while everyone else is being a dick. that account still logs in with the name and not the email, thats how old it is. it is a part of my being and what built me as a gamer and content creator. i was depressed for a month because of the ban. i was legit contemplating suicide because of how much of my life was just cut out and how much time was now wasted. i play on 9 accounts in total to support my main by woodcutting yews on f2p because im disabled and cant afford to pay for membership. im scared to log in now, just like you.
Now I understand why bots exist, whoever created the clients must've gotten banned like this. Makes me not even want to earn my levels legitimately anymore
I thought exact same lol.
Bots exist cuz the gamepley is shit and slow, but they still wanna play for fashionscape and rune punani.
@@MazdaRX7007 good 1 m8
Thats not the reason at all you low iq fuck
"Whoops, put the permaban button next to the streamer luck button."
loooool
Thank you for making a video about this. Someone has to call attention to this problem. Well-known streamers & UA-camrs are in the best position to do so.
Framed made a video about this issue a while back, except he stood with reddit trolls, pitchfork in hand
This makes the whole game shit. Imagine this happened to someone who just plays the game for fun and really loves the game? They will lose a lot of players overtime.
it happened to me, they never responded to me, and never gave any evidence. Really bullshit.
It happendd to be last week but luckily it was only a 1 day ban! It also said the next time will be a perm and now im worried like fuck
happened to my friend. He quit
Happened to me... 1 def 98 hp 1750+ total
Yes this happened to me, after that i quit, i would eventually start again, if my account gets unbanned but that will not happen
Meanwhile there's mining bots getting up to 100m xp and nothing happens
They're venezuelan, so you can't really ban someone for being a human bot.
@@Mushbug88 They aren't human bots, they are using bot programs just like the other botters, they just have no value in the account and don't give a shit, as they can just make a new account and continue to bot again.
best part about getting a false ban is that, if you have a concurring memership via credit card they don't cut that. as someone who plays for a few months at a time and might take a month or more of a break it really broke my heart when my account ive been using since like 2009 got permbanned when i didn't even play for a month AND jagex still billed my card for membership. I got a new account now playing osrs (played rs3 on the old one) and it's not the end of the world but still, really unfair and crooked.
Semi-happy that I play so inefficiently, if I was a bot I'd be the most pointless one ever created 😂
People make bits that are like that and ones that get worse over time it's on. Tho not 100% it works.
But maybe that is the most perfect bot ?
I wouldn't feel too secure about that, my alt pure account got banned while doing quests for 'major macroing' with no appeal, tried for a bit to get it back but nobody would listen, funny thing is i was playing my main account at the same time and it never got banned.
Ha ha its so funny when you lose your Account falsely but since you're popular you get it back almost instantly lol.
Couldn't agree more bro
"Imagine we weren't streamers" 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
@@EVScape I'm sorry to take it out on you, and it's not your fault this happened clearly, but it sucks for anyone not in your position. And sweens response didn't help lol
Lol lost my main last month beceuase of runelite cant apeal it
I had an old account that got unjustly banned just like that, barely used it so was never bothered. Just scary to think that this is actually somewhat common occurrence.
Jagex needs to do something about this. I’m glad you brought it up. There are many players who have been falsely banned. But they aren’t as lucky as you.
Well jagex is only going to do something about this if people talk about this to jagex but this video definitely helps :D
They need to get their voices heard. Active and inactive players alike cannot progress this game with such low security. Even if it hasn't happened to me ever I need a guaranteed account security. Hackers and botters cannot get away with shit like this.
"Imagine not being a streamer."
Oh you mean how I got banned for the SAME THING on a damn near 2000 Total Lvl account?
this is really unfair, that is inffluence traffic.
@@simonbolivar9146 When you've played since 2006 off and on then get banned for something like this, it's easy to let go.
Daylin Yanke You sounds like 75% of the community. Toxic.
This makes me want to quit the game for good; absolutely ridiculous.
This happened to my HCIM and they refused to respond to me.
Albert Trolio same my dude, except I was just a normal account. But ya they would never reply to me, it’s some bullshit
You'll just need to have about 50k+ subs first for them to look into it, no biggie
yea sure bro, what bot u use bro??
I tweeted at Mod Ash and some of the other mods and they said that wasn’t the route to take. There isn’t a route to take! I used osbuddy.
Matias Degling so you’re literally gonna comment on a video of someone being banned without cause, saying that you don’t believe that somebody else was banned without cause? Logic.
This is exactly what happened to my brothers account, so I literally feel for those guys that do get unfairly and permanently banned.
RIP Lil Pig lol
Sir Cooterclap rip
Thanks Jake, you really are using your powers (your voice) to do good. Giving a voice to the problem that the little man can’t speak out about. Thanks for bringing light to this issue. I hope it opens up a door to help players get their acc back.
#UpTheBois
I’m permanently muted and they won’t show me the evidence. It tells me to check my message box which is empty and it’s not appealable… Jagex is ridiculous!
This has happened to me too, main was maxed RS3, had just gotten 98 slayer on OSRS, Ironman had stuff like ranger boots, just did MM2, support is so dismissive, they think it can do no wrong.
RSNs are Giant dwarf/Giant dwarfs if you're interested.
prime example of proof that jagex is THE worst company treating their customer base like a joke.
This happened to my account and I never used a third party client. I applied it and they denied my appeal. I have played for years and never botted. I’m so frustrated that I can’t get in contact with Jagex. I’m glad this didn’t only happen to me. Jagex need to do something about this.
Baljii Batmunkh if it makes you feel better I botted 99strenght and mage and was never banned
"Our system can detect third party software" - OKAY, storytime. This was back is 2010 but one of my buddies in college actually introduced me to the whole botting world. This was when PowerBot was the big one. I watched the dude literally get 99 smithing doing Cannonballs 24/7 and nothing ever happened to his account. There are still people who do this.
Now there are moments like this where you got your account banned on live stream. Honestly, there are probably a lot of people who have this happen to them as you said and won't ever get their real hard work back, but at the same time you have people who actually bot and they are in the clear. It's just kind of sad.
Company's always say that, but as someone who has done it on other games, including making software and mods myself. No they can't detect it, and as much as they may think they can they can't. Especially not scripts that just move a mouse, since you can just have it copy your actual movements several times add in some misclicks, avoid letting it make patterns, and bam undetected. They try to detect software, but if you inject it like a virus or trojan that hides from anti virus software their software wont notice either
About 10 years ago I lost my main to this. I was mid-quest when i got banned.
I remember I got perm banned when I was 13 (10 years ago) for asking someone to Pass the Gnomeball hahaha. It took the full summer to get unbanned after a constant back and forth with my aunt and jagex.
C LOL I knew TWO people that happened to back in 2009
Seems as if something is going on. Solomission just got perm banned for RWT but then was unbanned as well.
Rargh’s “Hacked.”
And then your “Banned.”
I’m just sitting here freaking out over here.
Jenn Trease solo mission got banned for trading his other account a lot of gp
VynSkully it’s literally just a coin flip, I’ve moved bills at a time between accounts even fresh level 3’s and nothing’s ever happened
Imagine that employee is an activist that wants this issue to be escalated but couldn't go through their management. Brilliant move
I once got banned for 2 weeks for “botting” I was cutting yews for about 30 mins while cooking dinner for my kids.. came back to the disabled account screen. Luckily I’m still able to access my account today!
You did an appeal and it was successful?
Terminal Doc no, I had a 14 day ban for “botting” even though I was just afk woodcutting yew logs. After the 2 weeks, I was able to log in. I think that’s called a soft ban.
@@QwackyQwacker that sucks
This is Patrick Wow, my brother afk’d NMZ and got permabanned before getting a 99 lmao.. What a system
Terminal Doc crazy, imagining calling auto retaliate something you implemented into the game botting
It's a bit late but I actually experienced this. I had a high level account with over 500 hours in the game and probably a couple hundred dollars worth of memberships spent. Well I left the game for a few years, mostly due to not having a compute or internet. When I came back, my account was perma banned for botting. I appealed it once and nothing came of it. I appealed one more time and finally a mod named Mod Tattoo said that he noticed that the account was acting odd during the time of the offense so assumes that I, the creator/owner of the account wasnt the one who did the offense. So he supposedly removed the offenses and reactivated my account. Yet my account is still banned and unable to play. It's rather ridiculous.
That's how my friend got banned, and he is banned til this day, they won't even answer to his ticket.
imagine how many other falsely imprisoned accounts there are?.... Where's Kim Ks fine ass at
yeah... sure.... what bot did he use?
fantastic response chief. godspeed
Yes “regular” players are just screwwed. Been there done that
The same thing happened to me, I spent a week making tweets and messaging mods until they probably got annoyed enough to unban me. Then literally a day after I was perma banned again for spamming chat with advertisements apparently, then that took another week of convincing. It was fun.
This happened to my friend. He's never used any bots or anything, had been going hard playing for 4 months or so at work, he worked behind the desk at a phone repair store that was brand new and they rarely had customers come in, so when he didn't he would just be playing runescape on his laptop, and one day he's banned for macroing major, and as you can imagine, he was never unbanned, harassed Mod Weath on twitter everyday for a good 2 weeks, but to this day is still banned and this happened years ago. It made him stop playing their game.
Thanks for shedding some light on this issue EV. I have not been a victim of the false ban but as a player and a huge fan of Runescape, I appreciate you taking the time to be an advocate for this issue.
This is one of the biggest issues with Jagex, similar problem with hacked accounts. There needs to be a line of direct communication
Similar thing happened to one of my buddy’s on his iron man. Made it to the high 90s in agility and was going for it for his first cape and got banned
Probably for botting...
Yo I fear this as I am too going for 99 agility on an ironman right now.
I learned that I also got banned for macroing yesterday.
Wasn't even sure what macroing was before I looked it up.
OSB why you do this to me?
Imagine having streamer privilege to get unbanned for botting.
L0l fax
Also apexledgends streamers get streamer loot
A friend of mine recently made a new account & trained it on the side. Same story as everyone else here, perm ban, tried to appeal & denied. Wasn’t botting
"What happens to normal users????"
Nothing. Been playing since rs came out, never really skilled or done much but quest and events.. had 2 sets of hweens and phats on the acc.. one day decided to go for skillcapes as they were the new thing... got 99 fish/cook/fm in 3 months time. back from first day of HS and my acc was perma'd. There's no winning unless you're known. Been trying to find a way to get unbanned but there's nothing.
What bot did u use?
@@salih9111 so original. Much laughs. Haha.
Yh haha
Dont use free scripts.. Rookie
same, my level 3 skiller randomly got banned after I came back from a 3 month break and that's where I decided I'm done with this game lol.
edit: I just tried my account and it's been unbanned!! holy shit maybe I'm coming back
I'm actually semi worried to login to my main now
Same
just rwt and quit its the better choice
@OSRS Fiend lol jagex is partially owned by a chinese company too, either way china is gonna see your money
Hopefully this shines some light on incorrect banning, and being able to reach out to them on “unappealable” bans.
I got banned for Macroing aswell a few years ago after I hadn't used my account for years. I logged in once after I was muted for server advertising (Evidence wasn't allowed to be shown to me because it might comprimise their security like yeah, you can't show me a screenshot or logs of what I apparently wrote in the game lmao) and then banned permenantly for macroing (Evidence was literally "Comment from Jagex Moderator")
I can't remember at all how i got unbanned, all I remember is literally doing everything possible to appeal it, I even found old contact email addresses but unfortunately they were discontinued and just told me to go onto their website.
The ban is still on my account it's just been revoked now, so I guess I was a part of this accidental ban wave at one point and they reviewed it and revoked it. It's just a joke how they don't bother to show you what you did wrong even when it's something as blatant as "Server Advertising" which should just be chat logs which I have been warned for when I was apparently "Account Sharing" even though the logs didn't show that at all it was just me and a friend talking.
How is it at a “very low rate” when in the past year it happened to two of my best mates which I know for a fact that they would and they have never botted in their life??
Same exact thing happened no appeal they are out of the game we were 6 guys playing now there’s only 2 of us.
They botted
The same thing happened to my alt, whenever you bring this up as a non content creator people just accuse you of botting.
legit had the same thing, can't appeal it
rip my 1700 total zerker:(
"...like if I spent $60 on membership..."
*starts sweating heavily*
RIP to me, my 15 year old account just got banned for nothing. My very first account ever gone in the wind. I honestly want to cry.
Sorry man. It’s sad. Thankfully there are other games.
A manual ban... Does this confirm someone in Jagex has it out for EVScape?
Seems as if something is going on. Solomission just got perm banned for RWT but then was unbanned as well.
Definitely crap if you put 1000’s of hours in and this accident can happen. Glad you are bringing this issue into light...
Just because you put that many hours In doesn't really mean anything. There's players who have botted 1000's of hours and there are others with 1000's of hours who are just tired of grinding and turn to botting (not saying he did)
“What happens when you’re not a streamer and this happens to you?”
Quit the game, for sure.
Yup, I'd find a new game and never look back.
@@Allpowerfulpale Modern Warfare came out today but for real i don't feel safe playing this game without the gear of being banned.
I remember when this happened to my account but im not a streamer so im still waiting after 6 months for my account to be unbanned no rush jagex.
I guess that's why no one is playing osrs anymore... everyone got banned
Sounds like everyone needs to be recording their time playing 24/7 so there is always proof
I was banned for Macroing but at the time I hadn't played in nearly 4 years so when i appealed it they unbanned me due to irregular activity. Which i never used bots to begin with.
I was hacked and cleaned and my account sat out of my hands for years untouched. Finally got it back after recovery attempt on a whim and was greeted with a banned for botting hunter. The level was still atrociously trash at 37 as it had been for the years it sat. And they unbanned it within minutes of an appeal even tho they said I couldn't appeal it. They were going to check to see if they could prove my hacked and botted by the hacker story and found out they got it, cleaned it, and never logged in again. So an untouched account was banned for botting while never logged in to lol
Streamer power!
Hi dad
Noob
jk, noob
gotta love how they claim their software can detect ALL botting... yet load up any FTP world in OSRS and u cant go 30 mins without seeing a bot
I got banned on my hardcore for botting when i began playing osrs as my main game (5+hrs a day) and that put me off the game for nearly a year.
I never botted and i’m not a streamer so it took 3 months to get my acc its hardcore status back.
"Just imagine if we weren't streamers...." dude. SO MUCH LOVE for you streamers. But that statement right there, is what is so unfair in this game.... if you're a streamer, you're a god. And the rest of us don't mean much of anything to Jagex....
Hundreds of green dragon bots on the game every second that are lvl 80 + yet innocent people are getting banned.....
It's pathetic
Andy Og how do you bot?
It took me 2 months and 15 forum bans for them to look into my ban then they finally did and realised they messed up.
Jagex needs a wake up call. How does Suing work in the UK?
This just happened to me. I've been using RuneLite and HDOS which aren't bannable clients. Makes me question whether or not I want to sink hundreds of hours into this game just to get banned for no reason lmao. I find it hilarious that they will ban a completely legitimate player but the game is PLAGUED with bots. Un-fucking-real Jagex... 🖕
Edit: Forgot to mention mine is only a 1 day ban but still quite aggravating.
"Imagine if we wernt streamers" this guy knows what's up that's why he got unbanned a normal player would be shit outve luck
I had exactly the same happend to me exactly 2 days ago, while mining. I cant do anything, never broke any of the game rules ... sad game
I had the same thing happen to me a long time ago. I appealed anyway and they revoked the ban.
How did you revoke it? says its not appealable
@@sonamrota967 I just did the appeal on the support page. Took a day or so. But long story short my acct was stolen and then someone botted and got me banned. I explained that in the appeal.
This happend to my main. It's still banned but i don't play to grind and stuff anymore. Believe me, it's so shit to be unfairly account disabled after investing so much time and effort.
Just pking on my pure.
Literally did every single quest twice, and got over 110 combat twice, 8 legitimate 99s spending hours and hours every day with my GF who also plays. Got banned on both accounts with zero evidence and thousands and thousands of hours wasted. Nothing really compares to the cold feeling you get in your chest when you see that message trying to log in. The fact that I can't appeal them and I'll never get them back is just heartbreaking. Hoping you can help us smaller players gain some traction and exposure to the obvious problems taking place. Thanks for sticking up for us
This literally happened to me. And it was on my main. Never getting back on
Well don't bot then you wouldn't lose your account
@@adamcope5325 did you watch the video lmao