Jansen: Are you better off now than under apartheid?

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  • @ermericcarolissen694
    @ermericcarolissen694 Рік тому +309

    The fact that this question is even being asked is a sad indictment of the ANC government.

    • @9m9ify
      @9m9ify Рік тому +2

      vutsek...

    • @NEMB213
      @NEMB213 Рік тому +11

      I agree. It's really sad if you ask me. Imagine being oppressed by the Apartheid regime fast forward you're 20 years into democracy and there's people who feel things have gotten worse. The ANC is out of touch with reality for thinking there's been progress.

    • @mandlamhambi6756
      @mandlamhambi6756 Рік тому +6

      Careful with this question… for different people apartheid meant different things. I wish to advice you Mr Jansen don’t bring apartheid into the picture. You can’t substantiate your apartheid claim. Let’s rather leave this apartheid thing!

    • @shanaazabrahams1319
      @shanaazabrahams1319 Рік тому +10

      @@mandlamhambi6756 why can't the professor substantiate his Apartheid claim?

    • @MrNBohr
      @MrNBohr Рік тому +11

      @@mandlamhambi6756 Actually, he can. And he has been there.
      Look, I am in full agreement - Apartheid was not a good system, and it had to go. But what we have replaced it with has generally has not had anything like the desired effect. And whether you and I want to admit it or not, things worked under apartheid.

  • @emmanuelshangase6790
    @emmanuelshangase6790 Рік тому +111

    You don't have to apologize sir , for me the only change I have seen is that I have the right to vote, that's all. where I stay we still have same schools, clinics and roads which were built by the apartheid regime. nothing has change. we are more scared to leave the house than ever before. This is the truth

    • @karelgericke9172
      @karelgericke9172 Рік тому +8

      So very very true well said ,and very sad also.

    • @randomlyfactual1943
      @randomlyfactual1943 Рік тому +6

      I'm sorry to hear that, Emmanuel.
      Strong's to you and I hope your community can pull itself together 🙏🏻

    • @tsekomofokeng182
      @tsekomofokeng182 Рік тому +3

      True

    • @renebezuidenhout1649
      @renebezuidenhout1649 Рік тому +2

      Stay strong Emmanuel, I think it will be up to the people of South Africa to make these changes, for us and our children. We need to stand united for the love of our beautiful country and people 🙏🏻

    • @heathhargreaves543
      @heathhargreaves543 Рік тому

      That in my eyes is so sad you feel terrified to leave your house, because the Democratic government is more interested in stealing than looking after people who voted them in.

  • @Kevin_Long
    @Kevin_Long Рік тому +71

    Prof Jansen is absolutely correct to ask this question, and why shouldn't he, it's a serious question that needs to be asked.

  • @Xflosiv
    @Xflosiv Рік тому +52

    Aside from the fact that we have access to better quality education as a middle-class citizen, we are definitely not better off. You speak of sending a child to the shop at night yet as a woman I am scared to walk in broad daylight! Every single day is a frustration and a worry because nothing works anymore, companies and infrastructure are collapsing, skilled people are retiring and moving abroad, crime is ABSOLUTELY beyond control and we have the most unqualified people running the country, forming cabinet and being moved around in position when they have clearly failed at their jobs. Those high walls the rich have don't protect them when they are driving out in the street being murdered for their car. They are not protected when someone enters their home and cleans them out, shooting or raping as they go through life without consequence and all we do is fork out tax money with tears running down our cheeks and broken hearts. The level of education in our previously disadvantaged areas is nowhere near what is used to be when I schooled there and the even poorer communities have no toilets at their schools. Some government hospitals are in the most pathetic state ever. We are NOT better off!

    • @Saadjie99
      @Saadjie99 Рік тому +4

      I share your pain as a fellow South African and thank you for sharing how you feel. You're not alone

    • @sion1677
      @sion1677 Рік тому +1

      You make a good point, however I would disagree on education. Our education system is a mess and very poor especially in the sciences. Better education maybe in those school who use a foreign curriculum, the south african curriculum is 🚮.

    • @simphiwemongeka2528
      @simphiwemongeka2528 Рік тому

      Well said

    • @Xflosiv
      @Xflosiv Рік тому

      @@sion1677 Ok I had no idea there is foreign curriculum being taught in some previously disadvantaged or largely indigent areas outside of where I live as this was extent of the scope of my reference. I'm yet to find one of those schools so I can look at the stats.. So far, I guess I can only speak for the ones I attended and the ones I've seen in rural KZN where the children walk for kilometres to a school that only has a jojo tank if they're lucky, maybe a newly built flushing toilet if the political will allows. If foreign curricula are being taught in other areas like this then it is certainly not well advertised. While it may be an advantage to those pupils, it says a lot about our own curriculum standard for which you are correct about it not being good enough for the rest.

  • @alcorza3567
    @alcorza3567 Рік тому +63

    I love the way the media keep trying to sensationalise a topic, and then try to twist it into something more sinister than it actually is. That's being intentionally obtuse. He a simply trying to ask if people felt that society and the institutions have gotten better or worse since 1994. The fact that the big boogeyman word "apartheid" was mentioned is the only thing everyone focuses on. He rightly said he doesn't have time for that stupidity and I wholeheartedly agree with him.

  • @renerite3834
    @renerite3834 Рік тому +51

    You are a wiseman, Dr. Jansen and I have the utmost respect for you, keep asking the difficult questions 😀

  • @amandagordon-sedien427
    @amandagordon-sedien427 Рік тому +96

    These are crucial conversations we all need to have

    • @keeganwrathmall
      @keeganwrathmall Рік тому +1

      No one is having this conversation because the masses have been brainwashed to believe they're victims of white people while it's their black comrades sucking the wealth from this country. Greedy people that expect to have everything for nothing because of their skin colour. Apartheid is very much irrelevant now, it's used as an excuse for self pity and deflection of anger.

    • @mandlamhambi6756
      @mandlamhambi6756 Рік тому +1

      No we don’t wanna have this debate! Apartheid is not something to talk about lightly. Pls Sir don’t bring this topic this thing was painful

    • @ChrisdeKlerk
      @ChrisdeKlerk Рік тому +9

      @@mandlamhambi6756... Understandably that word stirs up a lot of negative, controversial and painful feelings. So let's change the question a bit...
      "Do you honestly feel things are better off than it was from, say, 1996? Or maybe even since South Africa, as a democratic nation, stood together and not only hosted the Rugby World Cup but we won it too.
      A nation full of hope, possibilities and promise."
      To where we, regardless of race/colour/gender/religion /etc, are all in now?
      * So many promises were made which have still not been fulfilled.
      * Cost of living has gone through the roof.
      * Corruption is rife.
      * We as citizens of this beautiful country are virtually being robbed every day and then get told we have to just accept it.
      * There is so much discord and distrust amongst ourselves because we are all sitting at the receiving end of dishonest, greedy and undeserving leadership.
      So with that being said in that way...
      One can't say that it doesn't get you thinking...

    • @keeganwrathmall
      @keeganwrathmall Рік тому +5

      @Mandla Mhambi the discussion of apartheid has nothing to do with the comparison of the failing ANC and their inability to provide for South Africans. I don't even know what the reason for the news host bringing it up, apartheid is irrelevant to this conversation.

    • @bridges5659
      @bridges5659 Рік тому +4

      @@ChrisdeKlerk Well said, friend. 👍

  • @bertramhall6131
    @bertramhall6131 Рік тому +111

    Oh my, Prof Jansen, some people will never be able to face the truth, the ANC will never produce an effective government.

    • @tshepotshepza8866
      @tshepotshepza8866 Рік тому +1

      Effective for who? 🙄 😒

    • @kenchucky2997
      @kenchucky2997 Рік тому +7

      @@tshepotshepza8866 well effective for no one at the moment, people protesting all over the place.
      or are the protesting because of satisfaction?

    • @simphiwerini9652
      @simphiwerini9652 Рік тому

      @@kenchucky2997 Protests are alover internationally. Moaning is becoming irrelavant. The world is undergoing reset. Its happening weather you like it or not. What if we plunge into WW3 would you still blame our gov?? Eskom n SOEs are being privatised thats what the opposition has been longing for. Problem Reaction Solution. Soon Private independant companies will supply services in this country as oposition always wanted. So sit down n shut up this is the best privatisation move without a civil war.What is it that you moaning everyday. Even Cyril is purging the ANC cleaning up downsizing prosecuting untill no one left to run the ANC. Isnt that facilitating the opposition to step into power.

    • @kenchucky2997
      @kenchucky2997 Рік тому

      ​@@simphiwerini9652 who was talking about the world... this is about south africa.
      you cant answer the question, so you use the classic "look at other people".
      Honestly pathetic.
      Just answer the question.

    • @saamstaan6540
      @saamstaan6540 Рік тому +3

      ​@@tshepotshepza8866 the people who protest don't look very happy do they?

  • @pietmuskiet5586
    @pietmuskiet5586 Рік тому +34

    The lady of eNCA is captured!!

  • @gary5481
    @gary5481 Рік тому +30

    Professor Jansen has always been a voice of reason.

  • @kerryvorster8727
    @kerryvorster8727 Рік тому +41

    I cant imagine the disillusionment and disappointment of the masses, they fought for so long and so hard for political and economic equality. I sympathise for them, but the time has come for everyone to admit that the ANC gov is inefficient, corrupt and incompetent and that it is time to change.

    • @mkhunju
      @mkhunju Рік тому +1

      Thank you for this rationale and thoughtful response...

    • @karelgericke9172
      @karelgericke9172 Рік тому +1

      So very well said may God bless SA may your words for a better SA becomes a reality. 🙏

    • @siyabongakoyo238
      @siyabongakoyo238 Рік тому

      I disappointed at the ANC yes but I'm disappointed at the land thieves and those that stole our LAND' S minerals for the greed they are displaying.... I mean owning 90% of the countries economy and hold on to every thing with no care non whatsoever about the 54million that must share the 10% economy... that's pure greed

    • @karelgericke9172
      @karelgericke9172 Рік тому +1

      @@siyabongakoyo238 Stop saying it's your land,who gave it to you the Khoisan can claim the land not you because your forefathers was still slave's in north Africa when the Khoisan was in SA .If you claim the land then it just proves to us,that the corrupt and stealing started way back in 1652 by the blacks,not only since 1994 when the anc government took over and bankrupt SA state coffer.The land don't belong to you get it in your thick skull.

    • @siyabongakoyo238
      @siyabongakoyo238 Рік тому

      @@karelgericke9172 thats history according to you and those that wrote it not mine I'm an african and so is the khoisan go ahead and drive that wedge btwn us. The history I know is that I was created in Africa just like the khoisan even from your lying history writers there are those that acknowledge that my people were in this so called south for thousands of years the mere fact your thieving forefathers first encountered khoi and san people in the cape doesn't mean my people were not in country too. But that was never my argument .... my argument is what are you people doing to improve the lives of even those Khoisan people you pretend to respect bcz with your 90% of their country's economy you're not giving nothing to them either and you need to get that thru that thick pink greedy skull of yours

  • @elizabethkaufmann5793
    @elizabethkaufmann5793 Рік тому +37

    This is magic! Well done to help the people to think, really think.

    • @truth-Hurts375
      @truth-Hurts375 Рік тому

      Get it in your small brain...this is all bullshit to try and keep people calm...the fact is...There is NO turn around !!!!

    • @bridges5659
      @bridges5659 Рік тому +2

      Agree 👍 This is a rare topic that came up here on UA-cam and almost everyone here has agreed the apartheid days were better.
      This is the kind of Truth that needs to be displayed and highlighted by Media.

    • @George97477
      @George97477 Рік тому

      The point of the topic is apartheid was not better at all but the point is for many life did not improve in the new south africa

  • @ashokhargovan9603
    @ashokhargovan9603 Рік тому +37

    This guy ran circles around the lady conducting the interview. Took her to school.

  • @anthonymeyer9378
    @anthonymeyer9378 Рік тому +48

    Give that man a bells !! Great mind and attitude , exactly what we need in Sa 👍

  • @Loneranger670
    @Loneranger670 Рік тому +40

    Perhaps the question should be “Are you better off now under the ANC ? “

  • @67339317Qs
    @67339317Qs Рік тому +43

    Oh My ! What an embarrassing interview by eNCA - poorly researched, with the interviewer lacking basic comprehension of the analytical approach adopted and applied in writing the article - it appeared to me as if she had no knowledge of his own background and influences, nor his eminence in academia - well done Prof. for displaying such patience in the face of a hostile, and unintelligent studio host.

  • @fifaplayer6374
    @fifaplayer6374 Рік тому +37

    Its ironic that the interviewer is an example of ANC performance

    • @henrydeale2876
      @henrydeale2876 Рік тому

      Nope. He was educates in the Apartheid years.

    • @holeephuc007
      @holeephuc007 Рік тому

      ​@@henrydeale2876 the interviewer is a female. The interviewee is male. Better luck next time.

  • @bernadineventer6609
    @bernadineventer6609 Рік тому +46

    Apartheid was a curse, yes. However we are worse off now than ever. Doomed if we continue with our current government...lawless thoughtless ,reckless, inconsiderate and unaccountable for anything!

    • @sifisongubeni8935
      @sifisongubeni8935 Рік тому

      Unfortunately thats the nature of all politicians, all over the world.... they're all corrupt. So no matter who you install to govern you if they're not they'll eventually be corrupted....Even the apartheid government was corrupt.

    • @ah0874
      @ah0874 Рік тому

      Same as the current reign

    • @rekkabcleaningandlaundroma3580
      @rekkabcleaningandlaundroma3580 Рік тому +1

      We are totally worse off now.

  • @Van_Wilder
    @Van_Wilder Рік тому +98

    The questions put forward to this man are really pathetic - his perfectly clear, articulate and composed with his answers and yet they hammer him with the same talking point, over and over again, which quite frankly most of the audience sees as trashy bullying tactics by the media.

    • @timo57890
      @timo57890 Рік тому +10

      Felt as painful as watching CNN

    • @darkgalaxy5548
      @darkgalaxy5548 Рік тому +5

      In the battle of wits, she brought a knife to a gunfight

    • @111MRrj
      @111MRrj Рік тому +2

      100%

    • @gavincrouch
      @gavincrouch Рік тому +3

      Trying to twist a simple question into a narrative. I don't think anyone is better off as far as relative income (your earnings compared to now - how many people can fill a trolley with groceries today?), infrastructure, industry, service delivery, etc.

  • @kylow935
    @kylow935 Рік тому +177

    I remember having this conversation with my grand parents and they agreed. "Yes, apartheid was engineered to oppress and divide but our neighborhoods (in the township where I we lived) were clean, public hospitals were very reliable, we were very safe because there was a functional police force and guess what, huh😃😃???WE HAD ELETRICITY!!" So yeah, I agree with my grandparents, maybe it was a bit better (speaking in terms of quality of life and just basic needs).

    • @steynnothling9030
      @steynnothling9030 Рік тому

      BS, Apartheid made sure that EVERYBODY progressed in SA, just not in this mixed kak we are sitting in now. Whites owe sh1t to blacks

    • @davidolsen456
      @davidolsen456 Рік тому +10

      Your honesty and objectivity to the question is most admirable a rare commodity in the midst of all the insanity!

    • @emeraldemerald6459
      @emeraldemerald6459 Рік тому +5

      This is very good information, thank you for your honesty.

    • @steynnothling9030
      @steynnothling9030 Рік тому

      @@davidolsen456 Ask this piece of sh1t how he tried to destroy whites and Afrikaans UFS

    • @steynnothling9030
      @steynnothling9030 Рік тому

      @@emeraldemerald6459 Ask this piece of sh1t how he tried to destroy whites and Afrikaans at UFS

  • @wrldfkd
    @wrldfkd Рік тому +27

    the anc has to fall and we need someone who will care about all our people in this country. thank you prof jansen

    • @Hello-ig1px
      @Hello-ig1px Рік тому

      lmfao, you think that would be a good thing?
      if the anc falls, a more extreme version of the anc will 100% take power.

  • @evelynwindsor5466
    @evelynwindsor5466 Рік тому +46

    Well i was a small kid back in those days but SA was up there ahead with all other west countries, if not better in many many ways.

    • @bridges5659
      @bridges5659 Рік тому +4

      Absolutely, our Rand value was higher than the dollar.

    • @TrevorduBuisson
      @TrevorduBuisson Рік тому

      Yes that is true. But at whose expense?

    • @placidwaters2415
      @placidwaters2415 Рік тому

      @@TrevorduBuisson Well, back then the minority paid the majority of the tax required to run this country. Bantu tax in those days was so very low, it hardly contributed at all - so the minority's tax contributions formed the backbone of the economy. Human rights have since been improved since 1994 - but everything else started falling apart. So again, the minority paid the price - that should answer you question.

    • @TrevorduBuisson
      @TrevorduBuisson Рік тому

      @@placidwaters2415 It's not only about taxes. It's about labour too. One of the reasons why I am so angry at this criminal ANC government and I detest them so much is: although the infrastructure of this country was primarily designed by the educated minority, it was built from the literal blood, sweat, tears and broken backs of the absolute minimally paid majority black workers. That this revolting, voracious elite government has allowed the infrastructure to collapse and degrade to where it is now is an absolute disrespect and kick in the face to their ancestors.
      This I find appalling. But please don't forget the difference in living conditions and disparity between the races during the apartheid era. I'm old enough certainly to remember it all very well.
      For your research, there is a recent interview of Barend du Plessis on UA-cam somewhere. He was the finance minister of the Nats. He gives a clear synopsis of finances in the day.

  • @ColinPeckham
    @ColinPeckham Рік тому +37

    When the questioner doesn't understand the question....

  • @yyy9514
    @yyy9514 Рік тому +30

    Would've been great if the eNCA journalist addressed this well known academic and intellectual by his title, ie "PROFESSOR "
    Thank you Professor Jansen for asking such questions.

    • @LimpopoWagner
      @LimpopoWagner Рік тому +1

      ENCA loves to push a narrative an twist people's words. They cancelled themselves as a credible, unbiased news source during the plandemic and are proudly continuing the tradition.

    • @timtam9646
      @timtam9646 Рік тому +3

      She is a cadre😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @morrissamuels5984
    @morrissamuels5984 Рік тому +67

    I hope for the presenter's sake that she is trying to get to the motive behind the article and not falling into the same hole that people are who thinks Prof. Jansen is pro-Apartheid. He is merely asking the question to make people ponder about it and engage in fruitful debate about it. He is coming from an intellectual and academic angle.

    • @chejagger1
      @chejagger1 Рік тому +6

      She was just schooled by the prof!!
      Sadly we may ask what was enca’s agend behind their questions .
      Thanks Prof Jansen!

    • @samuelt.kisaame7787
      @samuelt.kisaame7787 Рік тому +1

      There's nothing intellectual about a discussion surrounding millions of people who obviously struggle to make ends meet.

    • @aqeelslamang8305
      @aqeelslamang8305 Рік тому +3

      @@samuelt.kisaame7787 no but it gets people thinking. Obviously, people don't think nowadays so in truth, any discussion like this is pointless unless you either hear what you want to or receive the answer straightforward.

    • @samuelt.kisaame7787
      @samuelt.kisaame7787 Рік тому +1

      @@aqeelslamang8305 Okay

    • @cedric3897
      @cedric3897 Рік тому +1

      @@chejagger1 They are a new channel, they meant to ask questions , are they not?

  • @calvinsmith1295
    @calvinsmith1295 Рік тому +83

    The sheer numbers of people of all colour emigrating speaks volumes. SA is going down the drain and has been for years. It's just getting worse.

    • @gyburiel
      @gyburiel Рік тому +10

      What A haughty statement. Just because cowards are leaving doesn't mean all is lost. Some of us are building a day at a time.

    • @markmcculloch2570
      @markmcculloch2570 Рік тому +6

      Free to come and go. Leave if it’s the best thing for you or stay. But the country is pretty fukced in too many ways.

    • @simphiwerini9652
      @simphiwerini9652 Рік тому

      Those selfish careerist can go chase dollars. Soon they will be caught in cross fire of global dedolirisation. Saudi Arabia has aready applied to joun BRICS. In August SA will host the BRICS summit where they will anounce BRICS+ . Guess what that will pronounce the end of perodollar... as a result China n everyone else will dump dollars like hot potatoes. As the bipolar economic powers like BRICS + anounce their digital reserve basket of currencies One BRICS + currency will be extremely strong. Let all the sceptic n racists leave SA we dont need toxic people the system is flushing them out they cant stand communal societies. We dont want them back after the great reset. If you notice everything is being reset ..energy gov economy finances . Wealth is made during wars n crises. This is an international phenomena. Let them talk n let them leave.

    • @luxiemaharaj7263
      @luxiemaharaj7263 Рік тому +3

      Trump was right in saying this is a S#&t hole

    • @luxiemaharaj7263
      @luxiemaharaj7263 Рік тому +3

      @@gyburiel wake up and smell the coffee
      The writing is on the wall...
      Not sure if we talking about the same SA

  • @JusticeSR71
    @JusticeSR71 Рік тому +20

    Professor Jansen...I esteem you very highly as a leading academic, for the thinking person that you are and the person we have come to value over the years. May God bless you, protect you and keep you.

  • @petero7937
    @petero7937 Рік тому +17

    Eskom sometimes now produces around half the electricity than it did in 1995

  • @joannevdm6437
    @joannevdm6437 Рік тому +9

    You are correct Prof, excellent thought leader

  • @lyell555
    @lyell555 Рік тому +79

    If you're going to have Jansen on your show, at least have someone who can debate properly, not just ask the same question over and over expecting a different answer.

    • @leopillay3690
      @leopillay3690 Рік тому +15

      I agree, this woman is very shallow, and very bias...

    • @davidkotze4140
      @davidkotze4140 Рік тому +6

      Fully agree...one needs to have an interviewer with some sort of basic education to be fortunate enough to intwrvie a Prof !!

    • @andriesboshoff
      @andriesboshoff Рік тому +1

      Interviewer vs newsreader

    • @bonganindlela4837
      @bonganindlela4837 Рік тому

      😂😂😂😂😂😂The poor young woman

  • @louisesteyn8064
    @louisesteyn8064 Рік тому +10

    What is so holy about the Goverment of today??? How are they in any way not useless??? Well said Mr Jansen!!!

  • @tyronprince1679
    @tyronprince1679 Рік тому +13

    Any poor person in this country must ask that question, it was the last government before the ANC, my heart goes out to everyone who is struggling because they have been let down by the national government. The ANC must fix itself or leave, those who suffered in apartheid especially need hope right now. Well done to the writer!

  • @ronlynne1
    @ronlynne1 Рік тому +10

    Asking Hard Questions is how we learn, grow and take the Blindfold off…..Then we see what the possibilities are!

  • @gladysmkhize4085
    @gladysmkhize4085 Рік тому +17

    Hospital and clinic are worse for us poor ppl

  • @FlyingBuddha786
    @FlyingBuddha786 Рік тому +21

    Salute this man 👏

  • @constancebohler8029
    @constancebohler8029 Рік тому +19

    What do civil rights help if you have no job, no lights, rising crime , no future…….

  • @abdulsayed2281
    @abdulsayed2281 Рік тому +44

    "If I pose a question, you can agree or you can disagree, but don't tell me not to ask the question"
    More people need to think this way instead of avoiding important debates

    • @matendere-ip7pd
      @matendere-ip7pd Рік тому

      Unfortunately realistically majority of south Africans are not literate enough to understand things that way. Instead they "paly the man not the ball". instead of pondering on the facts they feel convicted and become racial, political or xenophobic.

  • @felixmoyoedonmi
    @felixmoyoedonmi Рік тому +14

    The answer must lie in the quality of life people are living now compared to life during the days of apartheid. Only the brave can honestly answer that question, honestly.

    • @steynnothling9030
      @steynnothling9030 Рік тому

      You lived like KINGS under apartheid. You got your sh1t for free. Oh wait, the WHITE MAN had to pay for your free sh1t.

  • @louisfivaz1367
    @louisfivaz1367 Рік тому +71

    Say "Apartheid" and there's hell to pay, controversy and silence in the room with all eyes on you. Say "B.E.E" (also Apartheid) and nobody blinks an eye.

    • @detdet3871
      @detdet3871 Рік тому

      Yes reverse racism is somehow not a knowledged.

    • @not.likely
      @not.likely Рік тому +3

      Blacks are radically racist because they pushed land issue in terms of numbers. But actually all black tribes came from up north. Only the Koisan are the rightfull owners of south africa

    • @felixmoyoedonmi
      @felixmoyoedonmi Рік тому +2

      People can not see the similarities between white racism and black racism. In fact, most black and many white people think that it's only white people who can be racist. To me, racism is when a human being can not see another human being without referring to the skin color. The beauty of our humanness is being destroyed because of the color of our skin.

    • @not.likely
      @not.likely Рік тому

      @@felixmoyoedonmi I think it's being destroyed because of the popular perception that whites have more money. But if the black population was the same size as the white population, you will probably see that blacks have the same amount as whites, in SA today, even more

    • @margaretlesole6230
      @margaretlesole6230 Рік тому +4

      😁😁😁👏👏👏👏👏

  • @xoliklaas445
    @xoliklaas445 Рік тому +8

    Well said Prof! This is a question I've asked myself many times and kudos to you for having the courage to actually write about it. This is a question which requires intellectual debate as opposed to emotions (which are valid) about apartheid.

  • @rasikaraidas2564
    @rasikaraidas2564 Рік тому +13

    I lived in the Redhill Township in 2009, Im white. There was a time when we were without water for 2 weeks. The people there often admitted to me that they felt they had a better life under Apartheid. Everything worked !! Now nothing works. Crime was very low, even public call boxes worked, public transport worked, unemployment was low too, our roads were first class. 14 yrs on from a few gripes about water, its a state of disaster.

    • @bridges5659
      @bridges5659 Рік тому +2

      Yeah, I know Redhill area , a nice place. Talking about call boxes , I used repair those and the landlines, even worked at Redhill area , prior to 13 years ago. I'm from the 70's.

    • @rasikaraidas2564
      @rasikaraidas2564 Рік тому +1

      @@bridges5659 Beautiful place for a township, awesome views, sunsets.. a place for for millionaires. You must have been very busy fixing call boxes, i doubt they even work anymore. The night prowlers and druggies used to plug up the change vending slot to collect change for smokes etc. Besides that mostly the speakers were stolen from the handsets. Nothing unvandalised these days. They'll even steal the hole in your doughnut 🤣

    • @bridges5659
      @bridges5659 Рік тому

      Call boxes are no more. Very few places like prison services, saps and certain courts have them.
      I am originally from Gillits, Pinetown. I have good memories of the place. Used to climb mountains there and it was a lovely place, good, clean air with fruit orchards rich in bird life. A damn good valley.

    • @onfireforgod502
      @onfireforgod502 Рік тому

      Agreed...today u must make sure u have your own toilet paper when using public toilets...even your own pen when u have to fill in forms 😏 disgusting!!!

  • @operationshub2163
    @operationshub2163 Рік тому +7

    Well spoken and it is great to ask such question as more freedom has brought many ilkes with it.

  • @Fred_Erasmus
    @Fred_Erasmus Рік тому +16

    Everyone seems to miss his point including the host. To put it into simple terms...he uses it as a TIMELINE. Since ANC has taken control of the country..has the average life standard of the poor people improved? Ie jobs, education, the value of money etc. The answer is no...its much much worse.

  • @elizemeissenheimer8345
    @elizemeissenheimer8345 Рік тому +31

    ANC made a mockery of democracy🙏🙏🙏

    • @Babajagnee
      @Babajagnee Рік тому

      Yes they don’t have the backbone to send you settlers back to Europe. That’s the mockery

    • @elizemeissenheimer8345
      @elizemeissenheimer8345 Рік тому

      @@Babajagnee far from that

    • @5801160052086
      @5801160052086 Рік тому

      Its more of a thugocracy here in SA

  • @goodvibesalternative5389
    @goodvibesalternative5389 Рік тому +6

    The amount of clarity required makes one wonder....

  • @hendriklerou4902
    @hendriklerou4902 Рік тому +12

    Life generally is worse for everyone now. Under Apartheid, crime was low, hospitals were world class, no potholes in the roads, we had electricity, ports were world class, trains were good, rape was low, GBV was lower, no construction mafia, no corrupt Governement, no government officials stealing money from the people, education system was much better this list goes on.
    Apartheid, had bad issues. No one argues it.
    But generally SA is worse off now.
    I totally agree with JANSEN

  • @SA_SovereigntyForPatriots
    @SA_SovereigntyForPatriots Рік тому +10

    PREACH PROF. JANSEN PREACH!!!

  • @ash9744
    @ash9744 Рік тому +8

    The way I see it, what we have today was merely a trade, we get our "freedom" in exchange for incompetence, corruption, nepotism, failure etc. However there is no doubt in my mind that we are worse off today than before, not to say we were better off before, but the anc too is a murderous regime. It was them who murdered the people of Marikana, life esidimeni, Andries Tatane, Collins Khosa not to mention the nearly 100 murders a day under their watch.

  • @jeanpatterson4283
    @jeanpatterson4283 Рік тому +10

    Very wise, sensible and a man with vision and excellent thinking skills.

  • @yvettedurbangirlsa
    @yvettedurbangirlsa Рік тому +18

    Well said 👏 the majority of people in South Africa are worse off now. ANC has not built anything significant if at all.

    • @magampl1
      @magampl1 Рік тому

      What's worse than being beaten, slavery and death? U think Loadshedding is worse? Theft of public funds by ANC? Collapsing of the economy? U tell me cause there is no worse thing that can happen to black people in Africa than apartheid years. Find time read the stories wherever black people where kept in cages like dogs.

    • @yvettedurbangirlsa
      @yvettedurbangirlsa Рік тому

      @magampl1 how many Women, Children and Babies are being raped, cut up for mootie, assaulted, gender base Violence. An average of 72 people per day are murdered in South Africa. What about highjackings where people are shot thrown out their cars some shot to death. How people now don't have access to decent health care. How people are starving. I never saw a beggar on the streets people sleeping on the streets. The thousands of drug addicts all over. Massive crime. Maybe you need to go on UA-cam and search crime in SA. What the Apartheid government did was heinous but now it's way worse. At least Police cared and kept crime down. Nowadays Police are involved in most of the crimes. What about taxis how many people die every week from accidents. Men raping babies from 6 months old raping elderly Women. Criminals in townships killing as they please. Breaking into homes killing people. Sorry this isn't the SA I grew up in. Ambulances will no longer go into Townships as the medics are robbed and some are killed. Smash and grab at just about every robot and even on the highways when there is a back up. It's just a matter of time that you me or a loved one will be robbed, raped or murdered

  • @charlesvanonselen6251
    @charlesvanonselen6251 Рік тому +25

    So everything about apartheid was bad? that is the question he is asking. Instead of understanding that, people jump on their soapboxes and defend the ANC who have got us into our current position, ALL by themselves!!!

    • @BYE_BYE6-o2b
      @BYE_BYE6-o2b Рік тому

      Bring black slave labour. These Black's don't deserve rights.

    • @chanelkillian4218
      @chanelkillian4218 Рік тому

      Don't think apartheid was bad,things were much better though,if you are looking at how things were functioning back in those days then today,then apartheid wasn't bad.☺

    • @tsekomofokeng182
      @tsekomofokeng182 Рік тому

      @@chanelkillian4218 True

  • @kaymilan3928
    @kaymilan3928 Рік тому +11

    I love this man ! 🌸❤️

  • @shadowrider6812
    @shadowrider6812 Рік тому +12

    We need more men like this gentleman 👏🏼 .

  • @peacefulheart1431
    @peacefulheart1431 Рік тому +13

    Next question: Why do citizens flee to the Western Cape? The homeless are also fleeing to the Western Cape!!!!

    • @MusawenkosiLedwaba
      @MusawenkosiLedwaba Рік тому +3

      Why not? It's their country, can move anywhere they want.

    • @coen8677
      @coen8677 Рік тому +2

      Because the DA is in charge and have the best stats of service delivery to rural areas in the country, and the most best run municipalities by far...

    • @happyman8488
      @happyman8488 Рік тому +1

      @@MusawenkosiLedwaba Anywhere where the DA is feeding them. Your own can' t because they are too busy feeding themselves. You obviously to stpd to realize this.

    • @mariapillay8196
      @mariapillay8196 Рік тому

      😂👍

  • @verulamwalla4999
    @verulamwalla4999 Рік тому +10

    Great question by Prof Jansen - it must be a cause for introspection as we approach the next general election to ensure we elect leaders who can prioritize service delivery to all people to the extent that all South Africans can resoundingly say YES, we are better off !

    • @andriesboshoff
      @andriesboshoff Рік тому +1

      General elections coincide with general amnesia. The election pool is also a very poor collection, we need better parties to vote for

  • @Lawn_Life
    @Lawn_Life Рік тому +10

    The interviewer could've atleast referred to the guest as Prof Jonathan Jansen and not continually referred to the learned man as "Mr". If we have to respect the protocol for politicians I'm sure this courtesy can be extended to our esteemed academics and philosophers.

  • @reubentrotter4432
    @reubentrotter4432 Рік тому +7

    He is a doctor of education/ philosophy and a full professor. The lady needs to be more prepared for her interviews.

  • @TrevorduBuisson
    @TrevorduBuisson Рік тому +8

    I love this man! So eloquent.

    • @bridges5659
      @bridges5659 Рік тому +1

      If you love a man, you must be gay.

  • @kevinbobek5795
    @kevinbobek5795 Рік тому +42

    This interviewer is obviously biased.

    • @margaretlesole6230
      @margaretlesole6230 Рік тому +2

      Biased because she never lived under apartheid, that is to be expected😱😱

    • @SeaniBeauty
      @SeaniBeauty Рік тому

      For good reason

  • @jack0449
    @jack0449 Рік тому

    Pour that man a Bells! Hear! Hear! The most sense I have heard in long while on social media platform.

  • @XHansCoché
    @XHansCoché Рік тому +5

    If we had a truly mixed government as a result of meritocracy, we'd have a very prosperous future. Apartheid has died before 1994.

  • @connieprins6969
    @connieprins6969 Рік тому +1

    Thank you Mr Jansen for having that guts and bravery to put such a topic under the spotlight,like you say your topics make fire under those who deny us (COLOUREDS) the right they enjoy.Right you don't have to answer to that kind of stupid defense they that are better of against us for who it is worse. My answer is a definite NO,NO,NO,NO because just because I am COLOURED.Thank you again Mr Jansen. Connie Prins Worcester

  • @MWGTRYO
    @MWGTRYO Рік тому +4

    Well done Prof. Obviously we now enjoy political freedom. But poorer people are no better off. Sad situation.

  • @timiade8804
    @timiade8804 Рік тому +2

    I asked this exact same question to my close friend at the time and she bit off my head. We're both black btw. Unfortunately these are exactly the questions we need to ask if we want our society to improve

  • @lorraineramsamy7188
    @lorraineramsamy7188 Рік тому +4

    He has a good argument about the way the country is going we had some sense of stability in the era of apartied if only people could have a chance now to change their minds about why things are going wrong in South Africa.

  • @sakabula2357
    @sakabula2357 Рік тому +2

    Jobs used to come to us...if you wanted to work there was always work...I have suffered more under these "comrades" than ever..

  • @the_boys_official16
    @the_boys_official16 Рік тому +14

    Are we better off politically? Yes, however, Socioeconomically no. I say so, because I grew up in a house were both my parents worked and even when my father lost his job he could go to the Department of labour and within a week he had a new job. However as for me. I'm the soul bread winner for my wife and 3 kids as well as my and my wife's parents. That makes 9 people living off 1 salary. If I lose my job today there will be no prospects for any of us for an income.

    • @shanaazabrahams1319
      @shanaazabrahams1319 Рік тому +1

      A damn good comment. Accurate

    • @margaretlesole6230
      @margaretlesole6230 Рік тому

      Pls, don't even go there because that would be a disaster for you and the people you have to look after! May the mighty god keep and sustain you in that job. Wishing you all the best, sincerely

  • @leenaidoo7195
    @leenaidoo7195 Рік тому +2

    Well said, Prof!

  • @olli1757
    @olli1757 Рік тому +9

    We are still living in apartheid,it’s just reversed and comes with a ton of other problems that weren’t around when the National party was in charge.

  • @petero7937
    @petero7937 Рік тому +2

    Baragwanath hospital is the largest hospital in the southern hemisphere built by apartheid for black people. It was world class

  • @mcebosikhakhane7164
    @mcebosikhakhane7164 Рік тому +5

    its a question not a statement , people just lose their mind once they see the '"aphartheid", ARE U BETTER OFF NOW?

  • @sylviavezasie2852
    @sylviavezasie2852 Рік тому +2

    We are notbetter off.i lived through that time

  • @trevorerasmus1605
    @trevorerasmus1605 Рік тому +9

    Even the interviewer needs to broaden her mind because she seemed determined to make it something that it wasn't Still not sure she knew what was going on by the end of it🤣🤣🤣having to remind people of the Bad history of apartheid. Bad according to some measurements. Excellent according to some other measurements was the point deary

  • @aslamkajee720
    @aslamkajee720 Рік тому +5

    When your own hurts you don't cry

  • @farrel13sw
    @farrel13sw Рік тому +7

    I will compare apples with apples. Strictly economics. I am a teacher so is my cousin. She could easily buy a flat with the money she was earning and a new car. I live frugally and barely can afford anything. I have study debt she didn’t have . I also have a masters in nuclear physics , a lecturer I know had a masters degree in the 1990’s and he became quite affluent. He had a good job that time and his PhD was free. My masters degree in nuclear physics got me a nice piece of paper that I can hang on my wall.

  • @sibongisenisakhele3114
    @sibongisenisakhele3114 Рік тому +14

    Yes, my family was complete. Some of our brothers were killed and our parents being depressed to death. The leftover siblings found destructive coping mechanism like addiction. Then our nieces and nephews fatherless physically and figuratively. I would rather have had my father still alive; my mother being wholesome and functioning normally; my brother who was killed alive and fulfilling his dreams, etc.

    • @steynnothling9030
      @steynnothling9030 Рік тому

      Now you talk SHIT. They were killed by your OWN people. We actually KNOW what happened under apartheid. You lot ran around , protesting and burning sh1t and then got shot. Whites owe you F ALL, boy. By the way, go ask Ramaphosa who started the Soweto uprising with the help of Anglo American why the F your OWN people shot your people. I dare you. Then go and ask Anglo American why the F they trucked BAGS of rocks to Soweto the day BEFORE the uprising. Time to check your history, boy

    • @jeanrose4167
      @jeanrose4167 Рік тому +10

      He means services and lifestyle. SA still has murders more today mostly children. I would also like to have my son now. People starving homeless ect more poor authentic black kids starving raped killed they cannot even play outside

    • @NEMB213
      @NEMB213 Рік тому

      Service delivery, law and order etc,. at the core of this conversation. No one is disagreeing with the opression and racial divide... The conversation is have things got better after Apartheid, for most people the end of Apartheid meant a better future for them and the next generation, but in this case we are going backwards. The law itself is a joke under the ANC administration and that is why there's blatant corruption happening right in front of the publics eye they don't even hide it. So yeah sure life hasn't gotten better since Apartheid instead it got worse. 10 hours without electricity isn't better it's worse.

    • @happyman8488
      @happyman8488 Рік тому +1

      There are even more victims today due to your brothers running the country my friend. BEE is racist and a crime to all colours except blacks.

    • @NEMB213
      @NEMB213 Рік тому

      @@happyman8488 Well that can be argued given the fact that black people were excluded from the economy during the Apartheid regime and till today there's a huge gap of wealth between white and black people.

  • @janinecaramanus1392
    @janinecaramanus1392 Рік тому +5

    Many things much much better. But unfortunately what we believed in didn't happen as politicians, comrades etc became greedy and more caught up in slagging of each other than actually making sure that the wheels that turn the country are working properly and maintained. EDUCATION THE BIGGEST FAILURE. And don't think the middle class aren't suffering most of us are now on poverty line. ...paying paying paying paying

  • @dorissettgast2446
    @dorissettgast2446 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for the call to THINK! Truth, human rights, justice for ALL!
    In South Africa this IS possible, if only everyone is prepared to THINK and CARE for their BLACK SKINNED BROTHERS!!! as well as for all others. Please, please, please let us start to consider that seriously!!!

  • @kevindeklerk7401
    @kevindeklerk7401 Рік тому +6

    If asking "Were you better off being abused by your husband or being pimped now by your boyfriend for drugs?" were an academic question. "How do we end the systemic corruption and mafia state that South Africa is under now?" would be a more useful question.

  • @lvdeluxe1
    @lvdeluxe1 11 місяців тому

    I asked this question to my mother who said Townships, hospitals and the country as a whole was so beautiful back when she grew up.
    Now it's all a mess.
    The ANC really let us down and I've accepted they genuinely don't care how we feel about it.

  • @timberlande.timberwolf6632
    @timberlande.timberwolf6632 Рік тому +3

    Don't fall for the bait..."For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Eph 6:12

  • @mackmphahlele9511
    @mackmphahlele9511 10 місяців тому +1

    Prof,we are far worse. Lowest working rank today is collecting dirt for recycling but in the past it was delivering of coal but with monthly/weekly wage and a place to live.

  • @coen8677
    @coen8677 Рік тому +3

    The racism and inequality was very bad, but now we have very bad infrastructure, a murder rate that's x30 worse, we still have racism and inequality, ANC corruption is robbing this country blind, etc. We need the DA fast, because they have the best stats of service delivery to rural areas and the most best run municipalities by far... The EFF will have this country like Zimbabwe because Malema said he admires Mugabe and wants SA to be like Zimbabwe... The EFF is just another spoiled child of the ANC.

  • @neelsackerman1202
    @neelsackerman1202 Рік тому +9

    Crime was minimal.

  • @harbinger0141
    @harbinger0141 Рік тому +7

    After you ask that question you should ask yourself can you read and understand the question🧠

  • @Saadjie99
    @Saadjie99 Рік тому +1

    The interviewer needs to learn to listen & not interrupt when the question she literally just asked is being answered.

  • @samuelt.kisaame7787
    @samuelt.kisaame7787 Рік тому +3

    Politically yes but economically NO! The sad thing about both the National Party and the ANC is that neither could offer a comprehensive package i.e both political and economic emancipation. What actually happened was a vice versa scenario.

  • @dwayneford6327
    @dwayneford6327 Рік тому

    I answered this question honestly, and it took me a a while to get get to the answer and that is worrying. Surely the answer should have been a confident yes, but in honesty it’s was a hesitant yes.

  • @MopeyFand
    @MopeyFand Рік тому +5

    The title is obviously meant to be contentious, but I can understand why people might be upset by it since Apartheid disregarded humanity and was just generally a horrible thing.
    His point is valid though, so if you're sensible enough to not be blinded into a rage by the title, maybe you could actually ask yourself if the actual question he is asking is valid or not.

  • @felicitytaylor3764
    @felicitytaylor3764 Рік тому +1

    He is not talking about freedom. Of course apartheid is wrong but he means since 1994 in social services sense are you better off. He means the ANC have done nothing for the poor .

  • @aslamkajee720
    @aslamkajee720 Рік тому +4

    No law no order no system only modern slavery corruption and poverty

  • @christopherdorasami4532
    @christopherdorasami4532 Рік тому +2

    How many ppl reacted to his poll?

  • @xolanimbhense8495
    @xolanimbhense8495 Рік тому +1

    That Era had its pro and cons. His question is more focused on the cons of the Era. During that Era the economy was is good standing, the unemployment rate was very low, less crime.

  • @milktart4591
    @milktart4591 Рік тому +3

    I always say , the last generation of apartheid was the 1979 babies. Everything fell to crap after 1997. 1979 babies 43 now and they had the best growing up years under apartheid. They didn't even know they lived under apartheid. .

    • @weymouthesterhuizen1145
      @weymouthesterhuizen1145 Рік тому +1

      1978 born year for me and I agree. Remember clinics schools law and order and ubuntu clean streets and people being happy and neatly dressed of all colours lookingback from when I was growing up as a small boy yo teenager. It was wonderfull as a child to have seen all of this love and good standing....in my young life experiance my 20's gave me more perapective of ubuntu as I could move around more.... No idea of the hurt besides what I have learned late more of as I grow older (25 and up) of what all happend the abuse of power under aprtheid......when the song was sang kill the boer and ANC did not repremand I wanted to know why this eas allowed as i dod not understand...I mean...aI live in a Rainbow nation and everything was working towardsbetta goals a better future...a NEW South Africa. I agree; that that is why apartheid IS hated for by ALL for the abuses in power towards non white as the light has been seen with the cross over to a new Rainbow Nation of those older than me.....I enjoyed the Ubuntu from a very young age so for me there was no crossover...... However....as I grew up and some understaning of how life was as in general operations of society law order clean streets clinics state instatutions respect and love.... Society has fallin from my late 20's early 30's. Also i have niticed that that what I have learned of how apartheid was and the hatred....I must admit....I am not learning about that now...I am actually experiancing that as this comes from leaders (and have flowed over to society) and that baffels my mind compleetly. Suppose the colonial devide and concour methode is being followed..... Liberation and those who liberated does the same as the previous goverment as hate is so effedant and has become more and more so. It is being done openly and so called leaders get away with it. It is difficult to stay positive and motivated.....and I must and LOVE SA and Africa. I am an African boytjie....I am just white and my skin colour reflects back to people that does not represent me. Sad, one that is free born but experiencing that what was from the so called examples of those liberated and their party babie; that is a man now....my age as well....with sooo much hate. Baffels my mind....and the only reason I can think of is.....that the only thing they know now how to do is to get exite people the wrong way to get votes to earn a salary. NOTHING els they can do as a different job like building cabinets or going into a trade....as they enjoy so much money....and power. GREED and no consiance over rules the leaders. Very sad to see this all and this in my country of birth. South Africa the greatest in tye world....could of been by this time. Sad. I expected more.

    • @milktart4591
      @milktart4591 Рік тому +1

      @@weymouthesterhuizen1145 You said it perfect. 👍

    • @weymouthesterhuizen1145
      @weymouthesterhuizen1145 Рік тому +1

      @@milktart4591 Apprecaited allot. Thank you. It was on my heart for sometime. This was the right moment to let it put. Thank you.

    • @margaretlesole6230
      @margaretlesole6230 Рік тому +2

      73 yrs now, but no memory of that time! But for democracy, I've lots of memories 😁😁😁😁

    • @milktart4591
      @milktart4591 Рік тому +1

      @@weymouthesterhuizen1145 you welcome 👍 you should write . Ever thought about writing?

  • @juniorhack1519
    @juniorhack1519 Рік тому

    I believe that was the point. The question of whether the everyday South African has had their lives, socially, improved now as "free" people than at during the darkest days of our history. The question further illustrates how unbelievably bad the ANC government has governed the country if we can still ask this question and the immediate answer is not "No". I think it is a powerful question to ask and one that needs us to evauluate our reliality and ourselves and really ask, "Who are the ANC benefiting since it is not me or my neighbour".

  • @liveinwisdom3610
    @liveinwisdom3610 Рік тому +6

    This is such a disingenuous conversation to have, especially with a non-black. Sure I would entertain this conversation, for coloureds and whites. But for blacks, you can not compare. For blacks in, pre-1994,90% classed as living in poverty, 10% or so literacy rate, 90% without electricity, majority of their destinies were determined, society was engineered for you to be used as cheap labour, with "bantu' education, you would be a gardener, miner, maid, factory worker or teacher. No freedom of expression, had to have permission to leave the country, and if you were granted permission, it would be under supervision. Post-1994, 80% or so literacy rate, second highest black middle class in the world, complete freedom, to live, say or do whatever you want, as long as it does not impede on someone else. 80%+ with access to and clean water, you are also not relegated to certain occupations.
    I think the ANC is useless, and needs to be removed, but we need to be intellectually honest.
    The main problem I see, is that everybody has their hand out, and are entitled. I am eternally grateful to my ancestors, for their sacrifices they made so that I could be free. With complete freedom comes, complete responsibility. Even though I grew up in the village, to a single mom and in poverty, nothing stopped me, and many of my peers, from lifting ourselves out of poverty. We used every resource around us. I would not be where I am today, without freedom.

    • @SeaniBeauty
      @SeaniBeauty Рік тому +1

      Couldn't agree with you more. The minorities are now complaining experiencing a bit of what black people go through every day

  • @llewellynsmith9086
    @llewellynsmith9086 Рік тому +2

    The question that should be asked is , did the ruling party have the interest of the impoverished and the improvement of the countries basic services as the highest priority at heart? A country that cannot function will decay and implode all the same. The truth is that the poor will suffer the most.

  • @vladimirpanajic9985
    @vladimirpanajic9985 Рік тому +5

    Everyone does it so why can’t he?

  • @thomasbisschoff7136
    @thomasbisschoff7136 Рік тому +1

    You are right - first define what is "better off"! Does it mean "happy" or richer of safer or improved high culture? Standards and choices differ for one it is a BMW for another an opera? But like most journalist a heading draws people to read the article. We did that and now we are left with more questions. Good that will keep us all busy for the next 29 years (since the fall of apartheid).

    • @SA_SovereigntyForPatriots
      @SA_SovereigntyForPatriots Рік тому

      Thomas it does not matter what definition of better affects you. If you can't feel it, know it, smell it or realise it, then it is not better!!!

    • @thomasbisschoff7136
      @thomasbisschoff7136 Рік тому

      @@SA_SovereigntyForPatriots you are right it is an individual thing. I remember a colleague at Birmingham University visiting Venda for the first time telling me all the people in front of their mud houses look so contend with their lives. It must be a good life! That was a few years ago when the news was full of 23 schools that were burnt down. If I believe my colleague school education is not a priority in the lives of the Venda people? And that is not true.

  • @denzilgounden5188
    @denzilgounden5188 Рік тому +3

    This presentor is of a much different intellectual level...