I agree. It's really sad if you ask me. Imagine being oppressed by the Apartheid regime fast forward you're 20 years into democracy and there's people who feel things have gotten worse. The ANC is out of touch with reality for thinking there's been progress.
Careful with this question… for different people apartheid meant different things. I wish to advice you Mr Jansen don’t bring apartheid into the picture. You can’t substantiate your apartheid claim. Let’s rather leave this apartheid thing!
@@mandlamhambi6756 Actually, he can. And he has been there. Look, I am in full agreement - Apartheid was not a good system, and it had to go. But what we have replaced it with has generally has not had anything like the desired effect. And whether you and I want to admit it or not, things worked under apartheid.
You don't have to apologize sir , for me the only change I have seen is that I have the right to vote, that's all. where I stay we still have same schools, clinics and roads which were built by the apartheid regime. nothing has change. we are more scared to leave the house than ever before. This is the truth
Stay strong Emmanuel, I think it will be up to the people of South Africa to make these changes, for us and our children. We need to stand united for the love of our beautiful country and people 🙏🏻
That in my eyes is so sad you feel terrified to leave your house, because the Democratic government is more interested in stealing than looking after people who voted them in.
Aside from the fact that we have access to better quality education as a middle-class citizen, we are definitely not better off. You speak of sending a child to the shop at night yet as a woman I am scared to walk in broad daylight! Every single day is a frustration and a worry because nothing works anymore, companies and infrastructure are collapsing, skilled people are retiring and moving abroad, crime is ABSOLUTELY beyond control and we have the most unqualified people running the country, forming cabinet and being moved around in position when they have clearly failed at their jobs. Those high walls the rich have don't protect them when they are driving out in the street being murdered for their car. They are not protected when someone enters their home and cleans them out, shooting or raping as they go through life without consequence and all we do is fork out tax money with tears running down our cheeks and broken hearts. The level of education in our previously disadvantaged areas is nowhere near what is used to be when I schooled there and the even poorer communities have no toilets at their schools. Some government hospitals are in the most pathetic state ever. We are NOT better off!
You make a good point, however I would disagree on education. Our education system is a mess and very poor especially in the sciences. Better education maybe in those school who use a foreign curriculum, the south african curriculum is 🚮.
@@sion1677 Ok I had no idea there is foreign curriculum being taught in some previously disadvantaged or largely indigent areas outside of where I live as this was extent of the scope of my reference. I'm yet to find one of those schools so I can look at the stats.. So far, I guess I can only speak for the ones I attended and the ones I've seen in rural KZN where the children walk for kilometres to a school that only has a jojo tank if they're lucky, maybe a newly built flushing toilet if the political will allows. If foreign curricula are being taught in other areas like this then it is certainly not well advertised. While it may be an advantage to those pupils, it says a lot about our own curriculum standard for which you are correct about it not being good enough for the rest.
I love the way the media keep trying to sensationalise a topic, and then try to twist it into something more sinister than it actually is. That's being intentionally obtuse. He a simply trying to ask if people felt that society and the institutions have gotten better or worse since 1994. The fact that the big boogeyman word "apartheid" was mentioned is the only thing everyone focuses on. He rightly said he doesn't have time for that stupidity and I wholeheartedly agree with him.
No one is having this conversation because the masses have been brainwashed to believe they're victims of white people while it's their black comrades sucking the wealth from this country. Greedy people that expect to have everything for nothing because of their skin colour. Apartheid is very much irrelevant now, it's used as an excuse for self pity and deflection of anger.
@@mandlamhambi6756... Understandably that word stirs up a lot of negative, controversial and painful feelings. So let's change the question a bit... "Do you honestly feel things are better off than it was from, say, 1996? Or maybe even since South Africa, as a democratic nation, stood together and not only hosted the Rugby World Cup but we won it too. A nation full of hope, possibilities and promise." To where we, regardless of race/colour/gender/religion /etc, are all in now? * So many promises were made which have still not been fulfilled. * Cost of living has gone through the roof. * Corruption is rife. * We as citizens of this beautiful country are virtually being robbed every day and then get told we have to just accept it. * There is so much discord and distrust amongst ourselves because we are all sitting at the receiving end of dishonest, greedy and undeserving leadership. So with that being said in that way... One can't say that it doesn't get you thinking...
@Mandla Mhambi the discussion of apartheid has nothing to do with the comparison of the failing ANC and their inability to provide for South Africans. I don't even know what the reason for the news host bringing it up, apartheid is irrelevant to this conversation.
@@kenchucky2997 Protests are alover internationally. Moaning is becoming irrelavant. The world is undergoing reset. Its happening weather you like it or not. What if we plunge into WW3 would you still blame our gov?? Eskom n SOEs are being privatised thats what the opposition has been longing for. Problem Reaction Solution. Soon Private independant companies will supply services in this country as oposition always wanted. So sit down n shut up this is the best privatisation move without a civil war.What is it that you moaning everyday. Even Cyril is purging the ANC cleaning up downsizing prosecuting untill no one left to run the ANC. Isnt that facilitating the opposition to step into power.
@@simphiwerini9652 who was talking about the world... this is about south africa. you cant answer the question, so you use the classic "look at other people". Honestly pathetic. Just answer the question.
I cant imagine the disillusionment and disappointment of the masses, they fought for so long and so hard for political and economic equality. I sympathise for them, but the time has come for everyone to admit that the ANC gov is inefficient, corrupt and incompetent and that it is time to change.
I disappointed at the ANC yes but I'm disappointed at the land thieves and those that stole our LAND' S minerals for the greed they are displaying.... I mean owning 90% of the countries economy and hold on to every thing with no care non whatsoever about the 54million that must share the 10% economy... that's pure greed
@@siyabongakoyo238 Stop saying it's your land,who gave it to you the Khoisan can claim the land not you because your forefathers was still slave's in north Africa when the Khoisan was in SA .If you claim the land then it just proves to us,that the corrupt and stealing started way back in 1652 by the blacks,not only since 1994 when the anc government took over and bankrupt SA state coffer.The land don't belong to you get it in your thick skull.
@@karelgericke9172 thats history according to you and those that wrote it not mine I'm an african and so is the khoisan go ahead and drive that wedge btwn us. The history I know is that I was created in Africa just like the khoisan even from your lying history writers there are those that acknowledge that my people were in this so called south for thousands of years the mere fact your thieving forefathers first encountered khoi and san people in the cape doesn't mean my people were not in country too. But that was never my argument .... my argument is what are you people doing to improve the lives of even those Khoisan people you pretend to respect bcz with your 90% of their country's economy you're not giving nothing to them either and you need to get that thru that thick pink greedy skull of yours
Agree 👍 This is a rare topic that came up here on UA-cam and almost everyone here has agreed the apartheid days were better. This is the kind of Truth that needs to be displayed and highlighted by Media.
Oh My ! What an embarrassing interview by eNCA - poorly researched, with the interviewer lacking basic comprehension of the analytical approach adopted and applied in writing the article - it appeared to me as if she had no knowledge of his own background and influences, nor his eminence in academia - well done Prof. for displaying such patience in the face of a hostile, and unintelligent studio host.
Apartheid was a curse, yes. However we are worse off now than ever. Doomed if we continue with our current government...lawless thoughtless ,reckless, inconsiderate and unaccountable for anything!
Unfortunately thats the nature of all politicians, all over the world.... they're all corrupt. So no matter who you install to govern you if they're not they'll eventually be corrupted....Even the apartheid government was corrupt.
The questions put forward to this man are really pathetic - his perfectly clear, articulate and composed with his answers and yet they hammer him with the same talking point, over and over again, which quite frankly most of the audience sees as trashy bullying tactics by the media.
Trying to twist a simple question into a narrative. I don't think anyone is better off as far as relative income (your earnings compared to now - how many people can fill a trolley with groceries today?), infrastructure, industry, service delivery, etc.
I remember having this conversation with my grand parents and they agreed. "Yes, apartheid was engineered to oppress and divide but our neighborhoods (in the township where I we lived) were clean, public hospitals were very reliable, we were very safe because there was a functional police force and guess what, huh😃😃???WE HAD ELETRICITY!!" So yeah, I agree with my grandparents, maybe it was a bit better (speaking in terms of quality of life and just basic needs).
@@TrevorduBuisson Well, back then the minority paid the majority of the tax required to run this country. Bantu tax in those days was so very low, it hardly contributed at all - so the minority's tax contributions formed the backbone of the economy. Human rights have since been improved since 1994 - but everything else started falling apart. So again, the minority paid the price - that should answer you question.
@@placidwaters2415 It's not only about taxes. It's about labour too. One of the reasons why I am so angry at this criminal ANC government and I detest them so much is: although the infrastructure of this country was primarily designed by the educated minority, it was built from the literal blood, sweat, tears and broken backs of the absolute minimally paid majority black workers. That this revolting, voracious elite government has allowed the infrastructure to collapse and degrade to where it is now is an absolute disrespect and kick in the face to their ancestors. This I find appalling. But please don't forget the difference in living conditions and disparity between the races during the apartheid era. I'm old enough certainly to remember it all very well. For your research, there is a recent interview of Barend du Plessis on UA-cam somewhere. He was the finance minister of the Nats. He gives a clear synopsis of finances in the day.
Would've been great if the eNCA journalist addressed this well known academic and intellectual by his title, ie "PROFESSOR " Thank you Professor Jansen for asking such questions.
ENCA loves to push a narrative an twist people's words. They cancelled themselves as a credible, unbiased news source during the plandemic and are proudly continuing the tradition.
I hope for the presenter's sake that she is trying to get to the motive behind the article and not falling into the same hole that people are who thinks Prof. Jansen is pro-Apartheid. He is merely asking the question to make people ponder about it and engage in fruitful debate about it. He is coming from an intellectual and academic angle.
@@samuelt.kisaame7787 no but it gets people thinking. Obviously, people don't think nowadays so in truth, any discussion like this is pointless unless you either hear what you want to or receive the answer straightforward.
Those selfish careerist can go chase dollars. Soon they will be caught in cross fire of global dedolirisation. Saudi Arabia has aready applied to joun BRICS. In August SA will host the BRICS summit where they will anounce BRICS+ . Guess what that will pronounce the end of perodollar... as a result China n everyone else will dump dollars like hot potatoes. As the bipolar economic powers like BRICS + anounce their digital reserve basket of currencies One BRICS + currency will be extremely strong. Let all the sceptic n racists leave SA we dont need toxic people the system is flushing them out they cant stand communal societies. We dont want them back after the great reset. If you notice everything is being reset ..energy gov economy finances . Wealth is made during wars n crises. This is an international phenomena. Let them talk n let them leave.
Professor Jansen...I esteem you very highly as a leading academic, for the thinking person that you are and the person we have come to value over the years. May God bless you, protect you and keep you.
If you're going to have Jansen on your show, at least have someone who can debate properly, not just ask the same question over and over expecting a different answer.
Any poor person in this country must ask that question, it was the last government before the ANC, my heart goes out to everyone who is struggling because they have been let down by the national government. The ANC must fix itself or leave, those who suffered in apartheid especially need hope right now. Well done to the writer!
"If I pose a question, you can agree or you can disagree, but don't tell me not to ask the question" More people need to think this way instead of avoiding important debates
Unfortunately realistically majority of south Africans are not literate enough to understand things that way. Instead they "paly the man not the ball". instead of pondering on the facts they feel convicted and become racial, political or xenophobic.
The answer must lie in the quality of life people are living now compared to life during the days of apartheid. Only the brave can honestly answer that question, honestly.
Say "Apartheid" and there's hell to pay, controversy and silence in the room with all eyes on you. Say "B.E.E" (also Apartheid) and nobody blinks an eye.
Blacks are radically racist because they pushed land issue in terms of numbers. But actually all black tribes came from up north. Only the Koisan are the rightfull owners of south africa
People can not see the similarities between white racism and black racism. In fact, most black and many white people think that it's only white people who can be racist. To me, racism is when a human being can not see another human being without referring to the skin color. The beauty of our humanness is being destroyed because of the color of our skin.
@@felixmoyoedonmi I think it's being destroyed because of the popular perception that whites have more money. But if the black population was the same size as the white population, you will probably see that blacks have the same amount as whites, in SA today, even more
Well said Prof! This is a question I've asked myself many times and kudos to you for having the courage to actually write about it. This is a question which requires intellectual debate as opposed to emotions (which are valid) about apartheid.
I lived in the Redhill Township in 2009, Im white. There was a time when we were without water for 2 weeks. The people there often admitted to me that they felt they had a better life under Apartheid. Everything worked !! Now nothing works. Crime was very low, even public call boxes worked, public transport worked, unemployment was low too, our roads were first class. 14 yrs on from a few gripes about water, its a state of disaster.
Yeah, I know Redhill area , a nice place. Talking about call boxes , I used repair those and the landlines, even worked at Redhill area , prior to 13 years ago. I'm from the 70's.
@@bridges5659 Beautiful place for a township, awesome views, sunsets.. a place for for millionaires. You must have been very busy fixing call boxes, i doubt they even work anymore. The night prowlers and druggies used to plug up the change vending slot to collect change for smokes etc. Besides that mostly the speakers were stolen from the handsets. Nothing unvandalised these days. They'll even steal the hole in your doughnut 🤣
Call boxes are no more. Very few places like prison services, saps and certain courts have them. I am originally from Gillits, Pinetown. I have good memories of the place. Used to climb mountains there and it was a lovely place, good, clean air with fruit orchards rich in bird life. A damn good valley.
Agreed...today u must make sure u have your own toilet paper when using public toilets...even your own pen when u have to fill in forms 😏 disgusting!!!
Everyone seems to miss his point including the host. To put it into simple terms...he uses it as a TIMELINE. Since ANC has taken control of the country..has the average life standard of the poor people improved? Ie jobs, education, the value of money etc. The answer is no...its much much worse.
Life generally is worse for everyone now. Under Apartheid, crime was low, hospitals were world class, no potholes in the roads, we had electricity, ports were world class, trains were good, rape was low, GBV was lower, no construction mafia, no corrupt Governement, no government officials stealing money from the people, education system was much better this list goes on. Apartheid, had bad issues. No one argues it. But generally SA is worse off now. I totally agree with JANSEN
The way I see it, what we have today was merely a trade, we get our "freedom" in exchange for incompetence, corruption, nepotism, failure etc. However there is no doubt in my mind that we are worse off today than before, not to say we were better off before, but the anc too is a murderous regime. It was them who murdered the people of Marikana, life esidimeni, Andries Tatane, Collins Khosa not to mention the nearly 100 murders a day under their watch.
What's worse than being beaten, slavery and death? U think Loadshedding is worse? Theft of public funds by ANC? Collapsing of the economy? U tell me cause there is no worse thing that can happen to black people in Africa than apartheid years. Find time read the stories wherever black people where kept in cages like dogs.
@magampl1 how many Women, Children and Babies are being raped, cut up for mootie, assaulted, gender base Violence. An average of 72 people per day are murdered in South Africa. What about highjackings where people are shot thrown out their cars some shot to death. How people now don't have access to decent health care. How people are starving. I never saw a beggar on the streets people sleeping on the streets. The thousands of drug addicts all over. Massive crime. Maybe you need to go on UA-cam and search crime in SA. What the Apartheid government did was heinous but now it's way worse. At least Police cared and kept crime down. Nowadays Police are involved in most of the crimes. What about taxis how many people die every week from accidents. Men raping babies from 6 months old raping elderly Women. Criminals in townships killing as they please. Breaking into homes killing people. Sorry this isn't the SA I grew up in. Ambulances will no longer go into Townships as the medics are robbed and some are killed. Smash and grab at just about every robot and even on the highways when there is a back up. It's just a matter of time that you me or a loved one will be robbed, raped or murdered
So everything about apartheid was bad? that is the question he is asking. Instead of understanding that, people jump on their soapboxes and defend the ANC who have got us into our current position, ALL by themselves!!!
Don't think apartheid was bad,things were much better though,if you are looking at how things were functioning back in those days then today,then apartheid wasn't bad.☺
@@MusawenkosiLedwaba Anywhere where the DA is feeding them. Your own can' t because they are too busy feeding themselves. You obviously to stpd to realize this.
Great question by Prof Jansen - it must be a cause for introspection as we approach the next general election to ensure we elect leaders who can prioritize service delivery to all people to the extent that all South Africans can resoundingly say YES, we are better off !
The interviewer could've atleast referred to the guest as Prof Jonathan Jansen and not continually referred to the learned man as "Mr". If we have to respect the protocol for politicians I'm sure this courtesy can be extended to our esteemed academics and philosophers.
Thank you Mr Jansen for having that guts and bravery to put such a topic under the spotlight,like you say your topics make fire under those who deny us (COLOUREDS) the right they enjoy.Right you don't have to answer to that kind of stupid defense they that are better of against us for who it is worse. My answer is a definite NO,NO,NO,NO because just because I am COLOURED.Thank you again Mr Jansen. Connie Prins Worcester
I asked this exact same question to my close friend at the time and she bit off my head. We're both black btw. Unfortunately these are exactly the questions we need to ask if we want our society to improve
He has a good argument about the way the country is going we had some sense of stability in the era of apartied if only people could have a chance now to change their minds about why things are going wrong in South Africa.
Are we better off politically? Yes, however, Socioeconomically no. I say so, because I grew up in a house were both my parents worked and even when my father lost his job he could go to the Department of labour and within a week he had a new job. However as for me. I'm the soul bread winner for my wife and 3 kids as well as my and my wife's parents. That makes 9 people living off 1 salary. If I lose my job today there will be no prospects for any of us for an income.
Pls, don't even go there because that would be a disaster for you and the people you have to look after! May the mighty god keep and sustain you in that job. Wishing you all the best, sincerely
Even the interviewer needs to broaden her mind because she seemed determined to make it something that it wasn't Still not sure she knew what was going on by the end of it🤣🤣🤣having to remind people of the Bad history of apartheid. Bad according to some measurements. Excellent according to some other measurements was the point deary
I will compare apples with apples. Strictly economics. I am a teacher so is my cousin. She could easily buy a flat with the money she was earning and a new car. I live frugally and barely can afford anything. I have study debt she didn’t have . I also have a masters in nuclear physics , a lecturer I know had a masters degree in the 1990’s and he became quite affluent. He had a good job that time and his PhD was free. My masters degree in nuclear physics got me a nice piece of paper that I can hang on my wall.
Yes, my family was complete. Some of our brothers were killed and our parents being depressed to death. The leftover siblings found destructive coping mechanism like addiction. Then our nieces and nephews fatherless physically and figuratively. I would rather have had my father still alive; my mother being wholesome and functioning normally; my brother who was killed alive and fulfilling his dreams, etc.
Now you talk SHIT. They were killed by your OWN people. We actually KNOW what happened under apartheid. You lot ran around , protesting and burning sh1t and then got shot. Whites owe you F ALL, boy. By the way, go ask Ramaphosa who started the Soweto uprising with the help of Anglo American why the F your OWN people shot your people. I dare you. Then go and ask Anglo American why the F they trucked BAGS of rocks to Soweto the day BEFORE the uprising. Time to check your history, boy
He means services and lifestyle. SA still has murders more today mostly children. I would also like to have my son now. People starving homeless ect more poor authentic black kids starving raped killed they cannot even play outside
Service delivery, law and order etc,. at the core of this conversation. No one is disagreeing with the opression and racial divide... The conversation is have things got better after Apartheid, for most people the end of Apartheid meant a better future for them and the next generation, but in this case we are going backwards. The law itself is a joke under the ANC administration and that is why there's blatant corruption happening right in front of the publics eye they don't even hide it. So yeah sure life hasn't gotten better since Apartheid instead it got worse. 10 hours without electricity isn't better it's worse.
@@happyman8488 Well that can be argued given the fact that black people were excluded from the economy during the Apartheid regime and till today there's a huge gap of wealth between white and black people.
Many things much much better. But unfortunately what we believed in didn't happen as politicians, comrades etc became greedy and more caught up in slagging of each other than actually making sure that the wheels that turn the country are working properly and maintained. EDUCATION THE BIGGEST FAILURE. And don't think the middle class aren't suffering most of us are now on poverty line. ...paying paying paying paying
Thank you for the call to THINK! Truth, human rights, justice for ALL! In South Africa this IS possible, if only everyone is prepared to THINK and CARE for their BLACK SKINNED BROTHERS!!! as well as for all others. Please, please, please let us start to consider that seriously!!!
If asking "Were you better off being abused by your husband or being pimped now by your boyfriend for drugs?" were an academic question. "How do we end the systemic corruption and mafia state that South Africa is under now?" would be a more useful question.
I asked this question to my mother who said Townships, hospitals and the country as a whole was so beautiful back when she grew up. Now it's all a mess. The ANC really let us down and I've accepted they genuinely don't care how we feel about it.
Don't fall for the bait..."For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Eph 6:12
Prof,we are far worse. Lowest working rank today is collecting dirt for recycling but in the past it was delivering of coal but with monthly/weekly wage and a place to live.
The racism and inequality was very bad, but now we have very bad infrastructure, a murder rate that's x30 worse, we still have racism and inequality, ANC corruption is robbing this country blind, etc. We need the DA fast, because they have the best stats of service delivery to rural areas and the most best run municipalities by far... The EFF will have this country like Zimbabwe because Malema said he admires Mugabe and wants SA to be like Zimbabwe... The EFF is just another spoiled child of the ANC.
Politically yes but economically NO! The sad thing about both the National Party and the ANC is that neither could offer a comprehensive package i.e both political and economic emancipation. What actually happened was a vice versa scenario.
I answered this question honestly, and it took me a a while to get get to the answer and that is worrying. Surely the answer should have been a confident yes, but in honesty it’s was a hesitant yes.
The title is obviously meant to be contentious, but I can understand why people might be upset by it since Apartheid disregarded humanity and was just generally a horrible thing. His point is valid though, so if you're sensible enough to not be blinded into a rage by the title, maybe you could actually ask yourself if the actual question he is asking is valid or not.
He is not talking about freedom. Of course apartheid is wrong but he means since 1994 in social services sense are you better off. He means the ANC have done nothing for the poor .
That Era had its pro and cons. His question is more focused on the cons of the Era. During that Era the economy was is good standing, the unemployment rate was very low, less crime.
I always say , the last generation of apartheid was the 1979 babies. Everything fell to crap after 1997. 1979 babies 43 now and they had the best growing up years under apartheid. They didn't even know they lived under apartheid. .
1978 born year for me and I agree. Remember clinics schools law and order and ubuntu clean streets and people being happy and neatly dressed of all colours lookingback from when I was growing up as a small boy yo teenager. It was wonderfull as a child to have seen all of this love and good standing....in my young life experiance my 20's gave me more perapective of ubuntu as I could move around more.... No idea of the hurt besides what I have learned late more of as I grow older (25 and up) of what all happend the abuse of power under aprtheid......when the song was sang kill the boer and ANC did not repremand I wanted to know why this eas allowed as i dod not understand...I mean...aI live in a Rainbow nation and everything was working towardsbetta goals a better future...a NEW South Africa. I agree; that that is why apartheid IS hated for by ALL for the abuses in power towards non white as the light has been seen with the cross over to a new Rainbow Nation of those older than me.....I enjoyed the Ubuntu from a very young age so for me there was no crossover...... However....as I grew up and some understaning of how life was as in general operations of society law order clean streets clinics state instatutions respect and love.... Society has fallin from my late 20's early 30's. Also i have niticed that that what I have learned of how apartheid was and the hatred....I must admit....I am not learning about that now...I am actually experiancing that as this comes from leaders (and have flowed over to society) and that baffels my mind compleetly. Suppose the colonial devide and concour methode is being followed..... Liberation and those who liberated does the same as the previous goverment as hate is so effedant and has become more and more so. It is being done openly and so called leaders get away with it. It is difficult to stay positive and motivated.....and I must and LOVE SA and Africa. I am an African boytjie....I am just white and my skin colour reflects back to people that does not represent me. Sad, one that is free born but experiencing that what was from the so called examples of those liberated and their party babie; that is a man now....my age as well....with sooo much hate. Baffels my mind....and the only reason I can think of is.....that the only thing they know now how to do is to get exite people the wrong way to get votes to earn a salary. NOTHING els they can do as a different job like building cabinets or going into a trade....as they enjoy so much money....and power. GREED and no consiance over rules the leaders. Very sad to see this all and this in my country of birth. South Africa the greatest in tye world....could of been by this time. Sad. I expected more.
I believe that was the point. The question of whether the everyday South African has had their lives, socially, improved now as "free" people than at during the darkest days of our history. The question further illustrates how unbelievably bad the ANC government has governed the country if we can still ask this question and the immediate answer is not "No". I think it is a powerful question to ask and one that needs us to evauluate our reliality and ourselves and really ask, "Who are the ANC benefiting since it is not me or my neighbour".
This is such a disingenuous conversation to have, especially with a non-black. Sure I would entertain this conversation, for coloureds and whites. But for blacks, you can not compare. For blacks in, pre-1994,90% classed as living in poverty, 10% or so literacy rate, 90% without electricity, majority of their destinies were determined, society was engineered for you to be used as cheap labour, with "bantu' education, you would be a gardener, miner, maid, factory worker or teacher. No freedom of expression, had to have permission to leave the country, and if you were granted permission, it would be under supervision. Post-1994, 80% or so literacy rate, second highest black middle class in the world, complete freedom, to live, say or do whatever you want, as long as it does not impede on someone else. 80%+ with access to and clean water, you are also not relegated to certain occupations. I think the ANC is useless, and needs to be removed, but we need to be intellectually honest. The main problem I see, is that everybody has their hand out, and are entitled. I am eternally grateful to my ancestors, for their sacrifices they made so that I could be free. With complete freedom comes, complete responsibility. Even though I grew up in the village, to a single mom and in poverty, nothing stopped me, and many of my peers, from lifting ourselves out of poverty. We used every resource around us. I would not be where I am today, without freedom.
The question that should be asked is , did the ruling party have the interest of the impoverished and the improvement of the countries basic services as the highest priority at heart? A country that cannot function will decay and implode all the same. The truth is that the poor will suffer the most.
You are right - first define what is "better off"! Does it mean "happy" or richer of safer or improved high culture? Standards and choices differ for one it is a BMW for another an opera? But like most journalist a heading draws people to read the article. We did that and now we are left with more questions. Good that will keep us all busy for the next 29 years (since the fall of apartheid).
@@SA_SovereigntyForPatriots you are right it is an individual thing. I remember a colleague at Birmingham University visiting Venda for the first time telling me all the people in front of their mud houses look so contend with their lives. It must be a good life! That was a few years ago when the news was full of 23 schools that were burnt down. If I believe my colleague school education is not a priority in the lives of the Venda people? And that is not true.
The fact that this question is even being asked is a sad indictment of the ANC government.
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I agree. It's really sad if you ask me. Imagine being oppressed by the Apartheid regime fast forward you're 20 years into democracy and there's people who feel things have gotten worse. The ANC is out of touch with reality for thinking there's been progress.
Careful with this question… for different people apartheid meant different things. I wish to advice you Mr Jansen don’t bring apartheid into the picture. You can’t substantiate your apartheid claim. Let’s rather leave this apartheid thing!
@@mandlamhambi6756 why can't the professor substantiate his Apartheid claim?
@@mandlamhambi6756 Actually, he can. And he has been there.
Look, I am in full agreement - Apartheid was not a good system, and it had to go. But what we have replaced it with has generally has not had anything like the desired effect. And whether you and I want to admit it or not, things worked under apartheid.
You don't have to apologize sir , for me the only change I have seen is that I have the right to vote, that's all. where I stay we still have same schools, clinics and roads which were built by the apartheid regime. nothing has change. we are more scared to leave the house than ever before. This is the truth
So very very true well said ,and very sad also.
I'm sorry to hear that, Emmanuel.
Strong's to you and I hope your community can pull itself together 🙏🏻
True
Stay strong Emmanuel, I think it will be up to the people of South Africa to make these changes, for us and our children. We need to stand united for the love of our beautiful country and people 🙏🏻
That in my eyes is so sad you feel terrified to leave your house, because the Democratic government is more interested in stealing than looking after people who voted them in.
Prof Jansen is absolutely correct to ask this question, and why shouldn't he, it's a serious question that needs to be asked.
Aside from the fact that we have access to better quality education as a middle-class citizen, we are definitely not better off. You speak of sending a child to the shop at night yet as a woman I am scared to walk in broad daylight! Every single day is a frustration and a worry because nothing works anymore, companies and infrastructure are collapsing, skilled people are retiring and moving abroad, crime is ABSOLUTELY beyond control and we have the most unqualified people running the country, forming cabinet and being moved around in position when they have clearly failed at their jobs. Those high walls the rich have don't protect them when they are driving out in the street being murdered for their car. They are not protected when someone enters their home and cleans them out, shooting or raping as they go through life without consequence and all we do is fork out tax money with tears running down our cheeks and broken hearts. The level of education in our previously disadvantaged areas is nowhere near what is used to be when I schooled there and the even poorer communities have no toilets at their schools. Some government hospitals are in the most pathetic state ever. We are NOT better off!
I share your pain as a fellow South African and thank you for sharing how you feel. You're not alone
You make a good point, however I would disagree on education. Our education system is a mess and very poor especially in the sciences. Better education maybe in those school who use a foreign curriculum, the south african curriculum is 🚮.
Well said
@@sion1677 Ok I had no idea there is foreign curriculum being taught in some previously disadvantaged or largely indigent areas outside of where I live as this was extent of the scope of my reference. I'm yet to find one of those schools so I can look at the stats.. So far, I guess I can only speak for the ones I attended and the ones I've seen in rural KZN where the children walk for kilometres to a school that only has a jojo tank if they're lucky, maybe a newly built flushing toilet if the political will allows. If foreign curricula are being taught in other areas like this then it is certainly not well advertised. While it may be an advantage to those pupils, it says a lot about our own curriculum standard for which you are correct about it not being good enough for the rest.
I love the way the media keep trying to sensationalise a topic, and then try to twist it into something more sinister than it actually is. That's being intentionally obtuse. He a simply trying to ask if people felt that society and the institutions have gotten better or worse since 1994. The fact that the big boogeyman word "apartheid" was mentioned is the only thing everyone focuses on. He rightly said he doesn't have time for that stupidity and I wholeheartedly agree with him.
You are a wiseman, Dr. Jansen and I have the utmost respect for you, keep asking the difficult questions 😀
These are crucial conversations we all need to have
No one is having this conversation because the masses have been brainwashed to believe they're victims of white people while it's their black comrades sucking the wealth from this country. Greedy people that expect to have everything for nothing because of their skin colour. Apartheid is very much irrelevant now, it's used as an excuse for self pity and deflection of anger.
No we don’t wanna have this debate! Apartheid is not something to talk about lightly. Pls Sir don’t bring this topic this thing was painful
@@mandlamhambi6756... Understandably that word stirs up a lot of negative, controversial and painful feelings. So let's change the question a bit...
"Do you honestly feel things are better off than it was from, say, 1996? Or maybe even since South Africa, as a democratic nation, stood together and not only hosted the Rugby World Cup but we won it too.
A nation full of hope, possibilities and promise."
To where we, regardless of race/colour/gender/religion /etc, are all in now?
* So many promises were made which have still not been fulfilled.
* Cost of living has gone through the roof.
* Corruption is rife.
* We as citizens of this beautiful country are virtually being robbed every day and then get told we have to just accept it.
* There is so much discord and distrust amongst ourselves because we are all sitting at the receiving end of dishonest, greedy and undeserving leadership.
So with that being said in that way...
One can't say that it doesn't get you thinking...
@Mandla Mhambi the discussion of apartheid has nothing to do with the comparison of the failing ANC and their inability to provide for South Africans. I don't even know what the reason for the news host bringing it up, apartheid is irrelevant to this conversation.
@@ChrisdeKlerk Well said, friend. 👍
Oh my, Prof Jansen, some people will never be able to face the truth, the ANC will never produce an effective government.
Effective for who? 🙄 😒
@@tshepotshepza8866 well effective for no one at the moment, people protesting all over the place.
or are the protesting because of satisfaction?
@@kenchucky2997 Protests are alover internationally. Moaning is becoming irrelavant. The world is undergoing reset. Its happening weather you like it or not. What if we plunge into WW3 would you still blame our gov?? Eskom n SOEs are being privatised thats what the opposition has been longing for. Problem Reaction Solution. Soon Private independant companies will supply services in this country as oposition always wanted. So sit down n shut up this is the best privatisation move without a civil war.What is it that you moaning everyday. Even Cyril is purging the ANC cleaning up downsizing prosecuting untill no one left to run the ANC. Isnt that facilitating the opposition to step into power.
@@simphiwerini9652 who was talking about the world... this is about south africa.
you cant answer the question, so you use the classic "look at other people".
Honestly pathetic.
Just answer the question.
@@tshepotshepza8866 the people who protest don't look very happy do they?
The lady of eNCA is captured!!
Professor Jansen has always been a voice of reason.
I cant imagine the disillusionment and disappointment of the masses, they fought for so long and so hard for political and economic equality. I sympathise for them, but the time has come for everyone to admit that the ANC gov is inefficient, corrupt and incompetent and that it is time to change.
Thank you for this rationale and thoughtful response...
So very well said may God bless SA may your words for a better SA becomes a reality. 🙏
I disappointed at the ANC yes but I'm disappointed at the land thieves and those that stole our LAND' S minerals for the greed they are displaying.... I mean owning 90% of the countries economy and hold on to every thing with no care non whatsoever about the 54million that must share the 10% economy... that's pure greed
@@siyabongakoyo238 Stop saying it's your land,who gave it to you the Khoisan can claim the land not you because your forefathers was still slave's in north Africa when the Khoisan was in SA .If you claim the land then it just proves to us,that the corrupt and stealing started way back in 1652 by the blacks,not only since 1994 when the anc government took over and bankrupt SA state coffer.The land don't belong to you get it in your thick skull.
@@karelgericke9172 thats history according to you and those that wrote it not mine I'm an african and so is the khoisan go ahead and drive that wedge btwn us. The history I know is that I was created in Africa just like the khoisan even from your lying history writers there are those that acknowledge that my people were in this so called south for thousands of years the mere fact your thieving forefathers first encountered khoi and san people in the cape doesn't mean my people were not in country too. But that was never my argument .... my argument is what are you people doing to improve the lives of even those Khoisan people you pretend to respect bcz with your 90% of their country's economy you're not giving nothing to them either and you need to get that thru that thick pink greedy skull of yours
This is magic! Well done to help the people to think, really think.
Get it in your small brain...this is all bullshit to try and keep people calm...the fact is...There is NO turn around !!!!
Agree 👍 This is a rare topic that came up here on UA-cam and almost everyone here has agreed the apartheid days were better.
This is the kind of Truth that needs to be displayed and highlighted by Media.
The point of the topic is apartheid was not better at all but the point is for many life did not improve in the new south africa
This guy ran circles around the lady conducting the interview. Took her to school.
Give that man a bells !! Great mind and attitude , exactly what we need in Sa 👍
Perhaps the question should be “Are you better off now under the ANC ? “
That would be my question as well
Oh My ! What an embarrassing interview by eNCA - poorly researched, with the interviewer lacking basic comprehension of the analytical approach adopted and applied in writing the article - it appeared to me as if she had no knowledge of his own background and influences, nor his eminence in academia - well done Prof. for displaying such patience in the face of a hostile, and unintelligent studio host.
Its ironic that the interviewer is an example of ANC performance
Nope. He was educates in the Apartheid years.
@@henrydeale2876 the interviewer is a female. The interviewee is male. Better luck next time.
Apartheid was a curse, yes. However we are worse off now than ever. Doomed if we continue with our current government...lawless thoughtless ,reckless, inconsiderate and unaccountable for anything!
Unfortunately thats the nature of all politicians, all over the world.... they're all corrupt. So no matter who you install to govern you if they're not they'll eventually be corrupted....Even the apartheid government was corrupt.
Same as the current reign
We are totally worse off now.
The questions put forward to this man are really pathetic - his perfectly clear, articulate and composed with his answers and yet they hammer him with the same talking point, over and over again, which quite frankly most of the audience sees as trashy bullying tactics by the media.
Felt as painful as watching CNN
In the battle of wits, she brought a knife to a gunfight
100%
Trying to twist a simple question into a narrative. I don't think anyone is better off as far as relative income (your earnings compared to now - how many people can fill a trolley with groceries today?), infrastructure, industry, service delivery, etc.
I remember having this conversation with my grand parents and they agreed. "Yes, apartheid was engineered to oppress and divide but our neighborhoods (in the township where I we lived) were clean, public hospitals were very reliable, we were very safe because there was a functional police force and guess what, huh😃😃???WE HAD ELETRICITY!!" So yeah, I agree with my grandparents, maybe it was a bit better (speaking in terms of quality of life and just basic needs).
BS, Apartheid made sure that EVERYBODY progressed in SA, just not in this mixed kak we are sitting in now. Whites owe sh1t to blacks
Your honesty and objectivity to the question is most admirable a rare commodity in the midst of all the insanity!
This is very good information, thank you for your honesty.
@@davidolsen456 Ask this piece of sh1t how he tried to destroy whites and Afrikaans UFS
@@emeraldemerald6459 Ask this piece of sh1t how he tried to destroy whites and Afrikaans at UFS
the anc has to fall and we need someone who will care about all our people in this country. thank you prof jansen
lmfao, you think that would be a good thing?
if the anc falls, a more extreme version of the anc will 100% take power.
Well i was a small kid back in those days but SA was up there ahead with all other west countries, if not better in many many ways.
Absolutely, our Rand value was higher than the dollar.
Yes that is true. But at whose expense?
@@TrevorduBuisson Well, back then the minority paid the majority of the tax required to run this country. Bantu tax in those days was so very low, it hardly contributed at all - so the minority's tax contributions formed the backbone of the economy. Human rights have since been improved since 1994 - but everything else started falling apart. So again, the minority paid the price - that should answer you question.
@@placidwaters2415 It's not only about taxes. It's about labour too. One of the reasons why I am so angry at this criminal ANC government and I detest them so much is: although the infrastructure of this country was primarily designed by the educated minority, it was built from the literal blood, sweat, tears and broken backs of the absolute minimally paid majority black workers. That this revolting, voracious elite government has allowed the infrastructure to collapse and degrade to where it is now is an absolute disrespect and kick in the face to their ancestors.
This I find appalling. But please don't forget the difference in living conditions and disparity between the races during the apartheid era. I'm old enough certainly to remember it all very well.
For your research, there is a recent interview of Barend du Plessis on UA-cam somewhere. He was the finance minister of the Nats. He gives a clear synopsis of finances in the day.
When the questioner doesn't understand the question....
Would've been great if the eNCA journalist addressed this well known academic and intellectual by his title, ie "PROFESSOR "
Thank you Professor Jansen for asking such questions.
ENCA loves to push a narrative an twist people's words. They cancelled themselves as a credible, unbiased news source during the plandemic and are proudly continuing the tradition.
She is a cadre😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I hope for the presenter's sake that she is trying to get to the motive behind the article and not falling into the same hole that people are who thinks Prof. Jansen is pro-Apartheid. He is merely asking the question to make people ponder about it and engage in fruitful debate about it. He is coming from an intellectual and academic angle.
She was just schooled by the prof!!
Sadly we may ask what was enca’s agend behind their questions .
Thanks Prof Jansen!
There's nothing intellectual about a discussion surrounding millions of people who obviously struggle to make ends meet.
@@samuelt.kisaame7787 no but it gets people thinking. Obviously, people don't think nowadays so in truth, any discussion like this is pointless unless you either hear what you want to or receive the answer straightforward.
@@aqeelslamang8305 Okay
@@chejagger1 They are a new channel, they meant to ask questions , are they not?
The sheer numbers of people of all colour emigrating speaks volumes. SA is going down the drain and has been for years. It's just getting worse.
What A haughty statement. Just because cowards are leaving doesn't mean all is lost. Some of us are building a day at a time.
Free to come and go. Leave if it’s the best thing for you or stay. But the country is pretty fukced in too many ways.
Those selfish careerist can go chase dollars. Soon they will be caught in cross fire of global dedolirisation. Saudi Arabia has aready applied to joun BRICS. In August SA will host the BRICS summit where they will anounce BRICS+ . Guess what that will pronounce the end of perodollar... as a result China n everyone else will dump dollars like hot potatoes. As the bipolar economic powers like BRICS + anounce their digital reserve basket of currencies One BRICS + currency will be extremely strong. Let all the sceptic n racists leave SA we dont need toxic people the system is flushing them out they cant stand communal societies. We dont want them back after the great reset. If you notice everything is being reset ..energy gov economy finances . Wealth is made during wars n crises. This is an international phenomena. Let them talk n let them leave.
Trump was right in saying this is a S#&t hole
@@gyburiel wake up and smell the coffee
The writing is on the wall...
Not sure if we talking about the same SA
Professor Jansen...I esteem you very highly as a leading academic, for the thinking person that you are and the person we have come to value over the years. May God bless you, protect you and keep you.
Eskom sometimes now produces around half the electricity than it did in 1995
You are correct Prof, excellent thought leader
If you're going to have Jansen on your show, at least have someone who can debate properly, not just ask the same question over and over expecting a different answer.
I agree, this woman is very shallow, and very bias...
Fully agree...one needs to have an interviewer with some sort of basic education to be fortunate enough to intwrvie a Prof !!
Interviewer vs newsreader
😂😂😂😂😂😂The poor young woman
What is so holy about the Goverment of today??? How are they in any way not useless??? Well said Mr Jansen!!!
Any poor person in this country must ask that question, it was the last government before the ANC, my heart goes out to everyone who is struggling because they have been let down by the national government. The ANC must fix itself or leave, those who suffered in apartheid especially need hope right now. Well done to the writer!
Asking Hard Questions is how we learn, grow and take the Blindfold off…..Then we see what the possibilities are!
Hospital and clinic are worse for us poor ppl
Salute this man 👏
What do civil rights help if you have no job, no lights, rising crime , no future…….
"If I pose a question, you can agree or you can disagree, but don't tell me not to ask the question"
More people need to think this way instead of avoiding important debates
Unfortunately realistically majority of south Africans are not literate enough to understand things that way. Instead they "paly the man not the ball". instead of pondering on the facts they feel convicted and become racial, political or xenophobic.
The answer must lie in the quality of life people are living now compared to life during the days of apartheid. Only the brave can honestly answer that question, honestly.
You lived like KINGS under apartheid. You got your sh1t for free. Oh wait, the WHITE MAN had to pay for your free sh1t.
Say "Apartheid" and there's hell to pay, controversy and silence in the room with all eyes on you. Say "B.E.E" (also Apartheid) and nobody blinks an eye.
Yes reverse racism is somehow not a knowledged.
Blacks are radically racist because they pushed land issue in terms of numbers. But actually all black tribes came from up north. Only the Koisan are the rightfull owners of south africa
People can not see the similarities between white racism and black racism. In fact, most black and many white people think that it's only white people who can be racist. To me, racism is when a human being can not see another human being without referring to the skin color. The beauty of our humanness is being destroyed because of the color of our skin.
@@felixmoyoedonmi I think it's being destroyed because of the popular perception that whites have more money. But if the black population was the same size as the white population, you will probably see that blacks have the same amount as whites, in SA today, even more
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Well said Prof! This is a question I've asked myself many times and kudos to you for having the courage to actually write about it. This is a question which requires intellectual debate as opposed to emotions (which are valid) about apartheid.
I lived in the Redhill Township in 2009, Im white. There was a time when we were without water for 2 weeks. The people there often admitted to me that they felt they had a better life under Apartheid. Everything worked !! Now nothing works. Crime was very low, even public call boxes worked, public transport worked, unemployment was low too, our roads were first class. 14 yrs on from a few gripes about water, its a state of disaster.
Yeah, I know Redhill area , a nice place. Talking about call boxes , I used repair those and the landlines, even worked at Redhill area , prior to 13 years ago. I'm from the 70's.
@@bridges5659 Beautiful place for a township, awesome views, sunsets.. a place for for millionaires. You must have been very busy fixing call boxes, i doubt they even work anymore. The night prowlers and druggies used to plug up the change vending slot to collect change for smokes etc. Besides that mostly the speakers were stolen from the handsets. Nothing unvandalised these days. They'll even steal the hole in your doughnut 🤣
Call boxes are no more. Very few places like prison services, saps and certain courts have them.
I am originally from Gillits, Pinetown. I have good memories of the place. Used to climb mountains there and it was a lovely place, good, clean air with fruit orchards rich in bird life. A damn good valley.
Agreed...today u must make sure u have your own toilet paper when using public toilets...even your own pen when u have to fill in forms 😏 disgusting!!!
Well spoken and it is great to ask such question as more freedom has brought many ilkes with it.
Everyone seems to miss his point including the host. To put it into simple terms...he uses it as a TIMELINE. Since ANC has taken control of the country..has the average life standard of the poor people improved? Ie jobs, education, the value of money etc. The answer is no...its much much worse.
ANC made a mockery of democracy🙏🙏🙏
Yes they don’t have the backbone to send you settlers back to Europe. That’s the mockery
@@Babajagnee far from that
Its more of a thugocracy here in SA
The amount of clarity required makes one wonder....
Life generally is worse for everyone now. Under Apartheid, crime was low, hospitals were world class, no potholes in the roads, we had electricity, ports were world class, trains were good, rape was low, GBV was lower, no construction mafia, no corrupt Governement, no government officials stealing money from the people, education system was much better this list goes on.
Apartheid, had bad issues. No one argues it.
But generally SA is worse off now.
I totally agree with JANSEN
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PREACH PROF. JANSEN PREACH!!!
The way I see it, what we have today was merely a trade, we get our "freedom" in exchange for incompetence, corruption, nepotism, failure etc. However there is no doubt in my mind that we are worse off today than before, not to say we were better off before, but the anc too is a murderous regime. It was them who murdered the people of Marikana, life esidimeni, Andries Tatane, Collins Khosa not to mention the nearly 100 murders a day under their watch.
Very wise, sensible and a man with vision and excellent thinking skills.
Well said 👏 the majority of people in South Africa are worse off now. ANC has not built anything significant if at all.
What's worse than being beaten, slavery and death? U think Loadshedding is worse? Theft of public funds by ANC? Collapsing of the economy? U tell me cause there is no worse thing that can happen to black people in Africa than apartheid years. Find time read the stories wherever black people where kept in cages like dogs.
@magampl1 how many Women, Children and Babies are being raped, cut up for mootie, assaulted, gender base Violence. An average of 72 people per day are murdered in South Africa. What about highjackings where people are shot thrown out their cars some shot to death. How people now don't have access to decent health care. How people are starving. I never saw a beggar on the streets people sleeping on the streets. The thousands of drug addicts all over. Massive crime. Maybe you need to go on UA-cam and search crime in SA. What the Apartheid government did was heinous but now it's way worse. At least Police cared and kept crime down. Nowadays Police are involved in most of the crimes. What about taxis how many people die every week from accidents. Men raping babies from 6 months old raping elderly Women. Criminals in townships killing as they please. Breaking into homes killing people. Sorry this isn't the SA I grew up in. Ambulances will no longer go into Townships as the medics are robbed and some are killed. Smash and grab at just about every robot and even on the highways when there is a back up. It's just a matter of time that you me or a loved one will be robbed, raped or murdered
So everything about apartheid was bad? that is the question he is asking. Instead of understanding that, people jump on their soapboxes and defend the ANC who have got us into our current position, ALL by themselves!!!
Bring black slave labour. These Black's don't deserve rights.
Don't think apartheid was bad,things were much better though,if you are looking at how things were functioning back in those days then today,then apartheid wasn't bad.☺
@@chanelkillian4218 True
I love this man ! 🌸❤️
We need more men like this gentleman 👏🏼 .
Next question: Why do citizens flee to the Western Cape? The homeless are also fleeing to the Western Cape!!!!
Why not? It's their country, can move anywhere they want.
Because the DA is in charge and have the best stats of service delivery to rural areas in the country, and the most best run municipalities by far...
@@MusawenkosiLedwaba Anywhere where the DA is feeding them. Your own can' t because they are too busy feeding themselves. You obviously to stpd to realize this.
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Great question by Prof Jansen - it must be a cause for introspection as we approach the next general election to ensure we elect leaders who can prioritize service delivery to all people to the extent that all South Africans can resoundingly say YES, we are better off !
General elections coincide with general amnesia. The election pool is also a very poor collection, we need better parties to vote for
The interviewer could've atleast referred to the guest as Prof Jonathan Jansen and not continually referred to the learned man as "Mr". If we have to respect the protocol for politicians I'm sure this courtesy can be extended to our esteemed academics and philosophers.
The man earned his status quo.
And they will address msholozi as president zuma to this day!
He is a doctor of education/ philosophy and a full professor. The lady needs to be more prepared for her interviews.
I love this man! So eloquent.
If you love a man, you must be gay.
This interviewer is obviously biased.
Biased because she never lived under apartheid, that is to be expected😱😱
For good reason
Pour that man a Bells! Hear! Hear! The most sense I have heard in long while on social media platform.
If we had a truly mixed government as a result of meritocracy, we'd have a very prosperous future. Apartheid has died before 1994.
Thank you Mr Jansen for having that guts and bravery to put such a topic under the spotlight,like you say your topics make fire under those who deny us (COLOUREDS) the right they enjoy.Right you don't have to answer to that kind of stupid defense they that are better of against us for who it is worse. My answer is a definite NO,NO,NO,NO because just because I am COLOURED.Thank you again Mr Jansen. Connie Prins Worcester
Well done Prof. Obviously we now enjoy political freedom. But poorer people are no better off. Sad situation.
I asked this exact same question to my close friend at the time and she bit off my head. We're both black btw. Unfortunately these are exactly the questions we need to ask if we want our society to improve
He has a good argument about the way the country is going we had some sense of stability in the era of apartied if only people could have a chance now to change their minds about why things are going wrong in South Africa.
Jobs used to come to us...if you wanted to work there was always work...I have suffered more under these "comrades" than ever..
Are we better off politically? Yes, however, Socioeconomically no. I say so, because I grew up in a house were both my parents worked and even when my father lost his job he could go to the Department of labour and within a week he had a new job. However as for me. I'm the soul bread winner for my wife and 3 kids as well as my and my wife's parents. That makes 9 people living off 1 salary. If I lose my job today there will be no prospects for any of us for an income.
A damn good comment. Accurate
Pls, don't even go there because that would be a disaster for you and the people you have to look after! May the mighty god keep and sustain you in that job. Wishing you all the best, sincerely
Well said, Prof!
We are still living in apartheid,it’s just reversed and comes with a ton of other problems that weren’t around when the National party was in charge.
Agree
Your worst nightmare is loading in 2024 if you think this is reverse apartheid☺️
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Baragwanath hospital is the largest hospital in the southern hemisphere built by apartheid for black people. It was world class
its a question not a statement , people just lose their mind once they see the '"aphartheid", ARE U BETTER OFF NOW?
We are notbetter off.i lived through that time
Even the interviewer needs to broaden her mind because she seemed determined to make it something that it wasn't Still not sure she knew what was going on by the end of it🤣🤣🤣having to remind people of the Bad history of apartheid. Bad according to some measurements. Excellent according to some other measurements was the point deary
When your own hurts you don't cry
I will compare apples with apples. Strictly economics. I am a teacher so is my cousin. She could easily buy a flat with the money she was earning and a new car. I live frugally and barely can afford anything. I have study debt she didn’t have . I also have a masters in nuclear physics , a lecturer I know had a masters degree in the 1990’s and he became quite affluent. He had a good job that time and his PhD was free. My masters degree in nuclear physics got me a nice piece of paper that I can hang on my wall.
Yes, my family was complete. Some of our brothers were killed and our parents being depressed to death. The leftover siblings found destructive coping mechanism like addiction. Then our nieces and nephews fatherless physically and figuratively. I would rather have had my father still alive; my mother being wholesome and functioning normally; my brother who was killed alive and fulfilling his dreams, etc.
Now you talk SHIT. They were killed by your OWN people. We actually KNOW what happened under apartheid. You lot ran around , protesting and burning sh1t and then got shot. Whites owe you F ALL, boy. By the way, go ask Ramaphosa who started the Soweto uprising with the help of Anglo American why the F your OWN people shot your people. I dare you. Then go and ask Anglo American why the F they trucked BAGS of rocks to Soweto the day BEFORE the uprising. Time to check your history, boy
He means services and lifestyle. SA still has murders more today mostly children. I would also like to have my son now. People starving homeless ect more poor authentic black kids starving raped killed they cannot even play outside
Service delivery, law and order etc,. at the core of this conversation. No one is disagreeing with the opression and racial divide... The conversation is have things got better after Apartheid, for most people the end of Apartheid meant a better future for them and the next generation, but in this case we are going backwards. The law itself is a joke under the ANC administration and that is why there's blatant corruption happening right in front of the publics eye they don't even hide it. So yeah sure life hasn't gotten better since Apartheid instead it got worse. 10 hours without electricity isn't better it's worse.
There are even more victims today due to your brothers running the country my friend. BEE is racist and a crime to all colours except blacks.
@@happyman8488 Well that can be argued given the fact that black people were excluded from the economy during the Apartheid regime and till today there's a huge gap of wealth between white and black people.
Many things much much better. But unfortunately what we believed in didn't happen as politicians, comrades etc became greedy and more caught up in slagging of each other than actually making sure that the wheels that turn the country are working properly and maintained. EDUCATION THE BIGGEST FAILURE. And don't think the middle class aren't suffering most of us are now on poverty line. ...paying paying paying paying
Thank you for the call to THINK! Truth, human rights, justice for ALL!
In South Africa this IS possible, if only everyone is prepared to THINK and CARE for their BLACK SKINNED BROTHERS!!! as well as for all others. Please, please, please let us start to consider that seriously!!!
If asking "Were you better off being abused by your husband or being pimped now by your boyfriend for drugs?" were an academic question. "How do we end the systemic corruption and mafia state that South Africa is under now?" would be a more useful question.
I asked this question to my mother who said Townships, hospitals and the country as a whole was so beautiful back when she grew up.
Now it's all a mess.
The ANC really let us down and I've accepted they genuinely don't care how we feel about it.
Don't fall for the bait..."For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Eph 6:12
Hallelujah
Prof,we are far worse. Lowest working rank today is collecting dirt for recycling but in the past it was delivering of coal but with monthly/weekly wage and a place to live.
The racism and inequality was very bad, but now we have very bad infrastructure, a murder rate that's x30 worse, we still have racism and inequality, ANC corruption is robbing this country blind, etc. We need the DA fast, because they have the best stats of service delivery to rural areas and the most best run municipalities by far... The EFF will have this country like Zimbabwe because Malema said he admires Mugabe and wants SA to be like Zimbabwe... The EFF is just another spoiled child of the ANC.
Crime was minimal.
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After you ask that question you should ask yourself can you read and understand the question🧠
The interviewer needs to learn to listen & not interrupt when the question she literally just asked is being answered.
Politically yes but economically NO! The sad thing about both the National Party and the ANC is that neither could offer a comprehensive package i.e both political and economic emancipation. What actually happened was a vice versa scenario.
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I answered this question honestly, and it took me a a while to get get to the answer and that is worrying. Surely the answer should have been a confident yes, but in honesty it’s was a hesitant yes.
The title is obviously meant to be contentious, but I can understand why people might be upset by it since Apartheid disregarded humanity and was just generally a horrible thing.
His point is valid though, so if you're sensible enough to not be blinded into a rage by the title, maybe you could actually ask yourself if the actual question he is asking is valid or not.
He is not talking about freedom. Of course apartheid is wrong but he means since 1994 in social services sense are you better off. He means the ANC have done nothing for the poor .
No law no order no system only modern slavery corruption and poverty
How many ppl reacted to his poll?
Very good question. Smoke and mirrors to muddy the proverbial waters of truth.
That Era had its pro and cons. His question is more focused on the cons of the Era. During that Era the economy was is good standing, the unemployment rate was very low, less crime.
I always say , the last generation of apartheid was the 1979 babies. Everything fell to crap after 1997. 1979 babies 43 now and they had the best growing up years under apartheid. They didn't even know they lived under apartheid. .
1978 born year for me and I agree. Remember clinics schools law and order and ubuntu clean streets and people being happy and neatly dressed of all colours lookingback from when I was growing up as a small boy yo teenager. It was wonderfull as a child to have seen all of this love and good standing....in my young life experiance my 20's gave me more perapective of ubuntu as I could move around more.... No idea of the hurt besides what I have learned late more of as I grow older (25 and up) of what all happend the abuse of power under aprtheid......when the song was sang kill the boer and ANC did not repremand I wanted to know why this eas allowed as i dod not understand...I mean...aI live in a Rainbow nation and everything was working towardsbetta goals a better future...a NEW South Africa. I agree; that that is why apartheid IS hated for by ALL for the abuses in power towards non white as the light has been seen with the cross over to a new Rainbow Nation of those older than me.....I enjoyed the Ubuntu from a very young age so for me there was no crossover...... However....as I grew up and some understaning of how life was as in general operations of society law order clean streets clinics state instatutions respect and love.... Society has fallin from my late 20's early 30's. Also i have niticed that that what I have learned of how apartheid was and the hatred....I must admit....I am not learning about that now...I am actually experiancing that as this comes from leaders (and have flowed over to society) and that baffels my mind compleetly. Suppose the colonial devide and concour methode is being followed..... Liberation and those who liberated does the same as the previous goverment as hate is so effedant and has become more and more so. It is being done openly and so called leaders get away with it. It is difficult to stay positive and motivated.....and I must and LOVE SA and Africa. I am an African boytjie....I am just white and my skin colour reflects back to people that does not represent me. Sad, one that is free born but experiencing that what was from the so called examples of those liberated and their party babie; that is a man now....my age as well....with sooo much hate. Baffels my mind....and the only reason I can think of is.....that the only thing they know now how to do is to get exite people the wrong way to get votes to earn a salary. NOTHING els they can do as a different job like building cabinets or going into a trade....as they enjoy so much money....and power. GREED and no consiance over rules the leaders. Very sad to see this all and this in my country of birth. South Africa the greatest in tye world....could of been by this time. Sad. I expected more.
@@weymouthesterhuizen1145 You said it perfect. 👍
@@milktart4591 Apprecaited allot. Thank you. It was on my heart for sometime. This was the right moment to let it put. Thank you.
73 yrs now, but no memory of that time! But for democracy, I've lots of memories 😁😁😁😁
@@weymouthesterhuizen1145 you welcome 👍 you should write . Ever thought about writing?
I believe that was the point. The question of whether the everyday South African has had their lives, socially, improved now as "free" people than at during the darkest days of our history. The question further illustrates how unbelievably bad the ANC government has governed the country if we can still ask this question and the immediate answer is not "No". I think it is a powerful question to ask and one that needs us to evauluate our reliality and ourselves and really ask, "Who are the ANC benefiting since it is not me or my neighbour".
This is such a disingenuous conversation to have, especially with a non-black. Sure I would entertain this conversation, for coloureds and whites. But for blacks, you can not compare. For blacks in, pre-1994,90% classed as living in poverty, 10% or so literacy rate, 90% without electricity, majority of their destinies were determined, society was engineered for you to be used as cheap labour, with "bantu' education, you would be a gardener, miner, maid, factory worker or teacher. No freedom of expression, had to have permission to leave the country, and if you were granted permission, it would be under supervision. Post-1994, 80% or so literacy rate, second highest black middle class in the world, complete freedom, to live, say or do whatever you want, as long as it does not impede on someone else. 80%+ with access to and clean water, you are also not relegated to certain occupations.
I think the ANC is useless, and needs to be removed, but we need to be intellectually honest.
The main problem I see, is that everybody has their hand out, and are entitled. I am eternally grateful to my ancestors, for their sacrifices they made so that I could be free. With complete freedom comes, complete responsibility. Even though I grew up in the village, to a single mom and in poverty, nothing stopped me, and many of my peers, from lifting ourselves out of poverty. We used every resource around us. I would not be where I am today, without freedom.
Couldn't agree with you more. The minorities are now complaining experiencing a bit of what black people go through every day
The question that should be asked is , did the ruling party have the interest of the impoverished and the improvement of the countries basic services as the highest priority at heart? A country that cannot function will decay and implode all the same. The truth is that the poor will suffer the most.
Everyone does it so why can’t he?
You are right - first define what is "better off"! Does it mean "happy" or richer of safer or improved high culture? Standards and choices differ for one it is a BMW for another an opera? But like most journalist a heading draws people to read the article. We did that and now we are left with more questions. Good that will keep us all busy for the next 29 years (since the fall of apartheid).
Thomas it does not matter what definition of better affects you. If you can't feel it, know it, smell it or realise it, then it is not better!!!
@@SA_SovereigntyForPatriots you are right it is an individual thing. I remember a colleague at Birmingham University visiting Venda for the first time telling me all the people in front of their mud houses look so contend with their lives. It must be a good life! That was a few years ago when the news was full of 23 schools that were burnt down. If I believe my colleague school education is not a priority in the lives of the Venda people? And that is not true.
This presentor is of a much different intellectual level...