Games Workshop RUINED The Aeldari
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
- Today we discuss how the Aeldari and the Ynnari got abandoned by Games Workshop and are now in a horrible position in-lore.
The reason is money, obviously. As you might have already realized.
00:00 - Intro
02:20 - Setting
05:39 - Ynnari
07:47 - The Pros and Cons
10:53 - The Issue
12:11 - The (possible) Solution
14:05 - Conclusion
Music: Mechanicus OST - Overlord
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It feels like no one can really write them without being completely inconsistent or recklessly stupid. I get their gimmick is to be arrogant but they aren't that stupid.
Guy Haley may be a bit hit and miss overall, but he really did a great job of writing them in _Valedor_ . I completely agree with you about Gav, sadly.
Guy Haley's Interview about Valedor also gives the reason why the others are written so badly: GW doesn't have a single writer that likes Eldar. GW gets tens of thousands of writing applications each year, they could publish a thousand well written books of each faction a year if they wanted.
@@Annoying_Dragons I remember Gav Thorpe wrote them in a very interesting way but I don't think it was well received by everyone else
@@DracoMaverick In my opinion Gav Thrope is not approaching them as independent actors but rather background characters for other people. Humans putting on an elf cosplay and told "btw the world sucks". Like the high school love triangle drama or the guy who stops mid combat to admire Space Marines (Eldar warrior ideal: Harlequins).
But I don't like any of Thorpe's writing.
@@DracoMaverick eldar only exist to elevate space marines even in their own extremely few black library books. A minor AM fleet with some space marine reinforcements almost manages to destroy craftworld aloitoc who had been preparing for the battle for the past two weeks. Its like random hive fleet showing up on Terra and fucking it up
When 99% of the eldar player base owns all the models and only like 20% of the models have been slow dripped released over the past 10-15 years, it makes me wonder how the big brains at GW were shocked that eldar sales are low.....
I'm a custodes player, but I really like the Eldar, I wish they got more spotlight
Their sales have always been low though, even when they were first released. There just aren't that many people interested in the idea of space elves.
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It's all Gav Thorpe's fault. Guy Haley gave the Eldar a fair shake in Valedor. They are Competent, Powerful and Deadly but they're not perfect. The Best Depiction of Eldar is Dawn of war 2: Retribution. That video game got me into Eldar lore.
Amen to that
some people took finding the last webway portal way too personally!
True words
Bring back Guy Haley 🥺
Aaaaamen to DOW2 and cutie space elves). Like to playing as them and painting them with Guard colours as some kind of Eldar auxiliaries. Or with slaaneshi colours just being silly no offence))
As an over now 27 year old eldar collector and player, the eldar lore peaked in 3rd ed when they were still a nice fusion of Tolkien and their own spin. A dying race still capable of pulling shenanigan's like the war for Armageddon, fighting Kraken, messing with the gothic sector war, even as well as various black crusades. The eldar were written as patient, powerful when they brought their power to bear but slowly loosing their numbers over and over. A doomed race. Not one to make major slip ups, but slowly each small mistake they get weaker. So they generally only showed up for major events and were content to play games and not be the spotlight civ most the time. The back partof the 3rd ed codex had some of the short, but best writing for eldar. The models were completely unique, the race a opposite of the uncaring imperium a vibrant but dying race. A shadow which wasn't the major player it was but still had some cards left to play and were determined to bitterly cling on (by their fingernails to quote).
Then every codex became a wankfest of huge wins so if eldar showed up they HAD to get btfo aka the "my hero has killed the avatar x times" era. Which required them to take Ls on an epic scale regularly. Then I have to say it Ynnarri also make a poor continuation of this original concept as now the patient, plotting, and every life if valuable race has a bunch of people YOLO'ing and blowing up friggin craftworlds or yeeting into the eye of terror all taking grave losses. Ynnead was supposed to be a far time coming not "let get this end of our race gambit rolling today!" The whole eldar race became so much more shallower, with losses and impact being not a grave when everyone is acting just like people and taking mass losses. The books often reflect that.
IMHO the farther they get from the old concepts that worked for eldar to fit into the modern 40k narrative, the less interesting they will become. We don't need Isha or Ynnarri or primarch level shit. we need our Phoenix Lords to not be bolter bait (in lore i know the tabletop is what it is lol) our farseers to actually not be tricked by main character of the week, and we need to make the Ynaari not seem so fucking whack- swords? we collecting swords and then what everyone dies? Let the race work slowly towards some goal thats not literally the end of days being like 100 years, but a fleeting hope far out into the future as it was once. Let them be tragic, sorrowful, wrathful and determined few once more. Let the aspects be terrifying, the wraith constructs unholy but needed, even their guardians be impressive but not huge numbers. small skirmishes into majore events once in a while imho.
P.S.- there is so much exodite lore untouched as well if anyone at geedubs gave a shit thats far more interesting than the Ynnari stuff
Bro gets it
3rd and 4th editions were the true Glory Days of 40K.
Period.
When i got back into 40k, it was a setting with lots of factions that all had their own things going on and all seemed important. These days is just the story off the imperium
They also keep changing the established lore, with the effect of making the Imperium or Tyranids more powerful and cool.
@@arcahmwinters70 _See also why I can't see Titanicus or the new Epic-scale game won't last long, since it's still focused on the damn space marines._
Because like it or not, Imperium is what has always been the biggest seller in 40k, even back in the old days when GW did try to focus on every faction. Now the reality is GW is a publicly traded company that has an obligation to maximize value for shareholders. So if they see that Imperium is what their customers want, then they have an obligation to the shareholders to hyper-focus on Imperium since that is what will generate the most value for shareholders.
Just remember as an Aeldari player in the lore your existence is to be used by the imperium to make them look better, I have heard lots of people who want the rescue of isha to be a way to bring back another primarch. I am not an aeldari player I am a drukhari player but my second favorite faction is their relatives and I hate the idea that is always in place that "the aeldari have to be dying out at all times and have to be hopeless because thats the lore position they need"
I would say that might be bit of a exaggeration, but then I remember the Avatar of Khanie is a thing.
That is the primary reason why I can't fully get into 40k it's souly about the imperium, more specifically the emperor, primarchs and space marines and it's get really dull really quick and everyone that isn't chaos marines because of course is just a punching bag for the imperium, it's especially unfair for the eldar who GW activily makes you want to hate, everything they do is just arrogant bullshit.
The eldar atleast the craftworlds should have been a sort of secondary protagonist to the imperium, they want to redeem their species for the depravity of their ancestors and build a new empire and they are more or less the silent observer watching and waiting for when the time is right to deliver their killing blow to slanesh and weaken her brothers, their arrogance twords humanity shouldn't be from a snobbish attitude but more so of a "despite us being in a weakened state we still are better than your people and have done more against the true enemy than you have" aswell as have great pity to humanity because their ancestors observed humans in their golden age and now they see the imperium making the same mistakes they did and anytime they show up they are either helping the imperium to both help stav off chaos and the awakening necrons or fighting the imperium because they are either doing something that threatens the eldar or are doing something that is inadvertently strengthening chaos
I'd also bring over that dark elf rivalry/hatred from fantasy, the craftworlds should fucking hate the drukarhi with every fiber of their being as they are a twisted reflection and reminder of the failing of their species and while they can't just level commorah, they see them as a useful distraction but, anytime those two ever meet it they should fight, both because of how the craftworlds view the drukarhi and the drukarhi view the craftworlds as sniveling weaklings who are to scared to touch real power or whatever bullshit you wanna make up.
In this long ass youtube comment I have given the eldar more personality and more of a stake on the universe than GW ever will but since you have people like gav thorp constantly writing for the eldar who also hates the faction, we are just gonna keep getting more of the same and more space marine/chaos marine circle jerking.
As a Necron player we suffer from human dependency too. "oh the Silent King NEEDS the humans to biotransference back into!" "Oh the Illuminator thinks that the best compatible match for the Necrons to return to the flesh times is SPACE MARINES!" Even in our best selling book Infinite and the Divine Trazyn goes on a tangent about how insignificant and pitiful humanity is before going for a complete 180 talking about how cool that Horus Heresy was and oh my Night Haunter, they even managed to have this super cool golden skeleman on a glorified ikea recliner acting as the biggest beacon for fast travel! Isn't that just so COOL?!
@@mistertaz94That confuses me so much XD if they transfer back into the space marines they would doom their race space marines can not reproduce.
I think it comes down to the writers not thinking they can handle writing non human characters because "HoW r ThEy ReLaTe No HuMaN!" I understand we are warhammer fans but we dont lack empathy we grew up watching cartoons about singing lions and fish I think we will be okay relating to an alien that looks like a human with pointed ears or an alien that looks like a human skeleton made out of metal.
@@mistertaz94 it's like I said in my long ass comment l, the entire series being about the imperium, mostly just space marines is fucking lame, meanwhile you bring this up to most 40k fans they just say "oh well that is just what 40k is don't like it then go back to star wars kiddo!" The bolter porn gets really boring especially when in the example you provided where the fucking necrons of all people are fellating the space marines so hard that they are the best candidates for bio transferance is fucking retarded.
The first point of ruination was renaming them Aeldari.
You beat me to the joke! They’ll alway be the Eldar to us.
Agreed and came to say this lol
Didn't they also rename the elves on Age of Sigmar to "Aelf"?
True paragons of creativity lmao
@@RedHierophant23i think that was bc gw couldnt copyright the name of eldar, high elves and dark elves, you can see this with malekith to malerion
@@atreyos9449this is correct, because Tolkien’s universe used it first and has a claim on the title, even though it is much better known in Warhammer.
A random Aeldari: Uhg….what do you want?
A Random Space Marine: I just want to say….you guys deserve better…
I’m starting to get exhausted by 40k at large and that is in no small part the travesty of that is the Aeldari plotline…or better said, the lack of it. The Eldar are what got me into 40k, what got me past all the baggage the setting comes with…and GW’s writing staff seems to actively disdain them.
Its funny. There’s this one guy in my local shop who also picks the fight with me that “Eldar should be taken out of 40k”. He says that because he hates them but I’m actually beginning to agree with him, for polar opposite reasons. At this point, with GW slowly turning 40k into Horus Hersey 2.0, I’d rather take all my space elf models and just invent a new setting for them to occupy.
The problem with 40k is too often cynical monetary concerns taking precedence over writing a good story.
I’m a fan of the eldar too, and I can see your point. They deserve better writers.
As a Tau and Eldar player (mostly Tau because i play only wraithstuff for eldars) i ignore most of our books, i make my own stories involving Craftworld Eowèn and the Meloi'da sept
@@EugenTembaAgreed. GW is only progressing the "Story" so they can sell more stuff. They don't care about the writing and will poop on setting if they thought it would make them more money.
To me, the story ended with the Horus Heresy and it was supposed to end as a Tragedy. This lead to The Setting of 40k with open questions and possibilities in which we could write our own progressions.
Once 40k got popular and Normie-nized, it started it's end time imo ironically.
Edit: Also, with the focus more on a tournament scene in Warhammer and GW's bad habits of selling models for pay to win, it's just a mess all over for me. I'd rather play other companies miniatures and games or OPR with my 40k minis
I have always maintained that the Eldar should just gather all of their craft worlds into one huge fleet and leave the WH40K galaxy for another... they've literally got nothing to lose by doing this. Their odds of survival are much greater if they just leave than if they stay.
14:23 "a significant catalyst to elevate them to a more..." Absolutely, and that catalyst is most certainly _not_ Gav Thorpe.
The Aeldari are fully salvageable but it's going to take people at GW to actually be interested in doing so and good writers who want to give them a fair shake.
Not to mention reworking all the completely outdated model kits. It's pretty sad that there are better looking models coming out of the 3D-printed proxy market than from GW's 20-year old sculpts
The Ynnari was a great idea that GW refused to execute because they are too scared of changing the status quo of the setting. Slaneesh is a commercial problem to them (hard to do marketing for the GOD OF RAPE, DRUGS AND BDSM), and during the Gathering Storm I actually believed they would get rid of It using the Ynnari like they did in AOS, but for some strange reason they just aborted the whole plotline and are pretending that It was never meant to be a thing.
I think having a strong Eldar Empire, backed up by a Nagash-style God of Death would be great for the setting. Would give chaos a deserved L, and show that the Chaos Gods are as inevitable as Thanos. Meanwhile, the Imperium and Necrons would finally face a real challenge.
Ynnari summon the Reaper
Sic him on the Drug Addict of Doom
Stalemate on every level
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What do mean face a real challenge? The Imperium is getting its ass kicked on every front.
@@royaltyfree9607 since when? The fucking marines always win even in fights they shouldn't
Yeah no since it's not a bunch of power armored autists and demi gods and some guy as a decomposed skeleton on a chair GW doesn't give a shit, making the imperium be the main focus of this setting was such a huge mistake and while I like to keep up with the lore, there's a reason why I can't get fully invested into this universe.
@@delta2372 Didn't they recently lose a major campaign against the Tyranids?
The Ynnari should have been been involved in the destruction of Nurgle's garden to free Isha, or the Craftworlders. Then a freed Isha could have helped retrieved the last Crone sword by entering the domain of Slaanesh. When She Who Thirsts tried to eat Isha, Nurgle would have gotten upset and an inter- Chaos smack down would have started. During Nurgle and Slaanesh's fight, a Solitaire could steal the sword. 😂
And in just this comment you've put in more thought and added more character and lore to the Eldar than GW is or was ever capable of.
Isha being saved is just way too easy to write if you ask me. It'll be better in my opinion that Isha, in her thousands of years stay in Nurgle's garden, has lead to the Goddess already partially corrupted by the Chaos God. And in a twist, will actually betray those trying to rescue her as she instead stay faithful to Nurgle.
This in turn however also has a twist, Nurgle himself is also corrupted by Isha too, thus making the God susceptible to her own whispers. Both of them do share the aspect of Life and Rebirth already so it'll be kind of nice and twisted if both Gods ends up aligning with each other rather than just have Isha be rescued and that's that.
Of course, the sight of their Goddess already corrupted, might push more Aeldarei to total despair, pushing some to even align with Chaos forces aligned specifically to Nurgle, which in my opinion is a far better progress than just... well, having a group of psykers go rambo in a dang Chaos God's domain and rescue her easy peasy.
That would be nice callback to how Cegorach operates. I also think Ynnari and Ynnead should be involved in garden of Nurgle destruction. Grillman doing it solo makes little sense and makes G-man WAY to strong by himself
@@blastermaster5039So basically, they are happily married and Isha is upset that someone is trying to break up their marriage?
@@Punishthefalse
Watch Magic Knight Rayearth. I took the inspiration there.
So yes, in my opinion, it'll be more interesting both in a story narrative and in a lore perspective if Isha do end up aligning herself with Nurgle and with him aligning with hers. Both of them have overlapping duties with life and rebirth, both of them have a fondness(and perhaps even genuinely love) for their followers. And lets not forget that she only survived thanks to Nurgle. Its indeed a twisted set up but its something that aligns with the Grim Darkness of the far future I say, where in even the most noblest of Goddess can end up aligning herself with one of the Chaos gods.
Besides, this is also a good opportunity for the "good" side to have someone on the inside with what Chaos have plans for next.
The obvious play seemed to be for the Ynnari to strike some sort of deal with Kaldor Draigo, the only person who could conceivably waltz into the Palace of Slaanesh and back out again (he has done similar things in the past). But both the Grey Knights and the Eldar do not seem to be allowed any real change.
Honestly it has to be deliberate. You can't do 100 things wrong in a row on accident. I can only guess that it was done to keep 40k on track as the space marine franchise.
I feel like the issue is that the Eldar have a weak foundation. The Eldar are a faction in a War Game, but they have pretty weak motivations to fight: they can’t afford to take casualties and are nomadic, so the only reason for them to fight is if either the faction with that scry the future gets caught with their pants down, or there’s some grand cataclysmic threat they need to intervene against. So either the Eldar are BS overpowered puppet masters that end up deflating all tension from storytelling or more likely, they’re written as idiots.
The Tau codex is further proof.
@@Kepora1 yeah, though there was never a chance that they would be written well. Ideology and propaganda are a hell of a drug.
This could actually be a genuine series ''How GW RUINED 'X' ''.
I mean, it writes itself:
How GW RUINED Peturabo (and his turn to Chaos).
How GW RUINED the Iron Hands / Ferrus Manus.
How GW RUINED the Ynnead.
GW makes extra Space marines because they sell, because they put a lot of lore behind them. Eldar models have mostly not been updated in a long time. in all honesty I love the story but GW has some fucking stupid writers sometimes, some of the lore is just so inconsistent because of it...
I startet Eldar in 5th with the 4th edition codex to play one the worst faction in the game (this is relevant to a later argument). But the lore was intruiging. Eldar played a role in everything that is strange, mysterious or arcane. Sometimes it feels like Eldar - are - the 40k universe, they have seen it all, done it all. Some world rots and they find a several million year old shrine with an entombed star god / greater demon --> Eldar did this. Some strange soul driven well that eats the motivation of nearby life - Eldar"tech", so strange most folks even can't guess its purpose or function. The Craftworlds, the Wraithbone, everything about them is nebulous and super alien and creative even in style - its so enormously rich and inspiring for a SciFi fan, like a dream you can't fully understand. As 6th edition hit, Eldar became incredible deathmachines. Games didn't felt like you fight to preserve Eldar life but people got whiped out in 2 to 3 rounds. Noone wanted to play even against fluffy and strongly nerfed Eldar lists so I started another faction. SInce then Eldar seem only to work in two modes. Utterly shite or death reincarnate. I never played a single game with this army since 6th, but the bigger hit was, that the new lore (not only Eldar - in general) seems les creative, les inspiring. As for me this is the most massive hit to the Eldar. It took away their "feel". It's like draining or thinning a bottle of good wine. More water for waterbottle factions is no problem. Or for factions who throw away the water and use the bottle to smash heads. But for Eldar - this is catastrophic. Thats how they feel to me nowadys like an old bottle refilled with cheap wine and diluted with water. I had great hopes in the ynnari. But it only works if you use the right filling.
Eldar is an actual name btw, I have a few friends named Eldar, mb it was the main reason why GW renamed them into Aeldari. As for Ynnari, the covid really messed all the plans for them. Their lore basically stopped since 2017 with Ghost Warrior by Gav Thorpe being their last lore entry.
I believe we still yet to see the whole new Ynnari faction with unique models. Their main problems are unending 2 year cicle of re-relesing the same factions for each edition, leaving no breathing space for new faction to thrive.
Votans are a good example. They got released at the sunset on 9th and besides borderline broken rules at release, nothing of substantual was ever revelaed about them, not even a novel or short story.
the main reason GW renamed them was because Eldar is another name used for Tolkien elves by the tolkien elves.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 You can't copyright the real name. Even Nintendo tried and the jury twirled a finger on a temple from such accusations. Tolkien has nothing to do with this. Aeldary, on the other hand, is GWs' own term, so they can copyright it.
@@barbos1507You can't copyright any name at all in most legal systems. You can, however, trademark them. A trademark is situational - it doesn't prevent anyone else from using the name except in specific contexts where it could be confused with the protected property. There's more than one fictional Harry Potter, for example, but you cannot use the name Harry Potter to describe a wizard character due to the Rowling/Warner Bros. trademarks.
In the case of things like "Eldar" and "Space Marine" GW was using terms that had already been used in other media and which there might be risk of confusion with, making even a trademark difficult to defend.
@@barbos1507 "Tolkien has nothing to do with this."
Wrong. The Tolkien estate sent a cease and desist letter to GW over their use of the name Eldar. And yes, you can trademark a word that is in common use, but your trademark is limited to a specific use of that word. Tolkien's estate does have the term "Eldar" trademarked as it relates to describing immortal, elf-like creatures. Since the Eldar in 40k are immortal, elf-like creatures, Tolkien's estate could have successfully sued GW if they refused to change the name.
What i find so strange is how the WH Fantasy Asur are so much cooler and better. Might be due to the High Elves actually having interesting characters.
Honestly if they 40k -ifyed the main fantasy elf characters they would very likely be better off.
I also feel like they failed by not making Yverne way way hotter. She should have been a sexy emo waifu but she looks like sheet.
Seriously. They need to get the people who write the Asur to write a few Eldar books. Honestly I am new into 40k, but I am branching out away from Imperial stuff and getting into more Xenos stuff. (I just started a Tau army, and what little I know of some of their characters makes them kinda interesting and there is room for tons of lore) But they know that Imperial = Sales. So it very much is I think a leaning toward what they know is safe for their investors... A pity really.
The whole 13th black crusade and m42 needs a rewrite. Better more competent characters, more realistic consequences, less clumsy primaris and the ynnari were doomed to become irrelevant from the start. I can think of a hundred times better ways to write all of the recent lore and I’m not even a writer.
Remember End Times for Warhammer Fantasy? Sometimes stagnation is better.
While I agree the Lore needed to be moved forward GW have bungled it at every step, everything from Rise of the Primarch forward has been lacklustre at best and actively damaging to the Lore at worst. My personal biggest annoyance is that apparently no named character ever dies despite it being the most lethal universe conceivable (except for Kell but who cares about him really?), I thought we'd at least get some new characters but nooooooo same old guys just ever so slightly bigger models that are harder to customise
I share your concerns for the Eldari.
But I hate your proposed solution. Alliances between the Eldari and the Imperium should remain highly situational.
Don't take the rampant xenophobia away from the Imperium.
The Eldari should always remain wary when dealing with trigger-happy humans (and vice versa).
Why? Two empires cannot exist in one space.
Ya know the Big E didn’t hate the Eldar right?
Yeah, honestly I think you're correct on this. But to my original point, I simply wanted to find a way for the Aeldari to get the popularity and standing they deserve within the setting again.
I do believe that cooperating with humanity (The Return of Guilliman) was one of the reasons that landed them in this predicament in the first place.
@@user-oj4ll2bf6k In Warhammer ? No for there is only war. The galaxy is not large enough
@@kaneslivesOne of his big endgame plans to keep humanity safe from the Imperium was conquering the Webway for humanity's use. Just because the Great Crusade didn't go out of its way to hunt the Eldar doesn't mean the Emperor wasn't planning on killing them and taking all their stuff. The Eldar just got shelved as a problem to deal with later.
Gav Thorpe absolutely shit the bed and I hope he never gets to write eldar lore again. The whole Ynarri thing needs to be retconned or at least just forgotten
Eldar are what got me interested in 40K back in 2nd ediiton. Granted I don't pay attention to as much lore these days as I used to; but am I alone in thinking that GW is changing the Eldar history? They were always described as masters of the galaxy after the War in Heaven, recently I noticed this is being changed instead to ruling a vast empire.
I'm afraid they didn't learn from Fantasy.
"If we end it and start a new game, they have to buy new models"
In actuality, the players just quit.
They're going to make the emperor less and less good by taking away everything he did. Yvraine will save the galaxy, and it'll end. Then no one will play warhammer 50k or whatever they try and replace it with.
The Aeldari in general and the Ynnari in particular need a big win in the lore to kickstart an Aeldari revival. With Vashtorr running around the galaxy with a webway tunnelling device I'd like to see the Ynnari or Harlequins steal it (not necessarily before he's used it to complete his plan). The Aeldari repairing and expanding the webway would be a huge lore win.
The fact that Ynnead is now a thing and all branches of the Aeldari now don't have to rely on spirit stones or soul sucking to avoid going to Slaanesh is still a big gain for the Aeldari. The fact that Isha is alive is also a huge gain. Potentially the Aeldari have a new path from Isha to Ynnead (though they may never be able to return to the reincarnation cycle that existed before Slaanesh was born. Now the Aeldari have a route to expand their population without the constraints of losing every soul to Slaanesh there's room to write a new growth of the Aeldari into the lore but GW need to express this new optomistic future so much better.
I believe the is a point of that was missed 40k story progression and it would make other things make a lot more sense.
Let me say how I would have done it.
-I think there should have been a publicly accessible show on Netflix (or similar) to draw attention in from new & old fans, with a book release as well. The story would have been like this;
Part 1.) -'To look out of window and see stars'.
It opens with a blurb about the setting of 40k and ends with a bit about the birth of Slannesh, the fight with Khaine, and Cegorach dancing off into the webway plotting revenge.
(150-ish years before the beginnings of the 13th black crusade) There is a small scene of an explosion in the engines of a small shuttle craft coming into orbit above the skies of of Necromunda, which leads the craft to crash into the sides of its Hive Primus below its toxic cloud layer.
The actual story starts with gang comes limping back to its hideout, caring the corpse of its old leader and its under new command of one of its juves which was the one that saved the survivors. The story quickly explains that the gang was caught in an ambush, with their leader shot by a sniper. The story follows this young Necromundan juve's successful leadership fighting other gangs, then getting driven into the under hive where she befriends a traitorous witch and Missionary searching for a lost relic.
They get the relic (a Boltgun of a founding saint), she starts a rebellion against the hive spire during which its revealed that her goal is to 'look out of a window and see stars' and the missionary dies. The first season/ book ends with her loosing her war against the hive lords and escapes as a stowaway on a cargo ship leaving orbit.
Part 2.) -'By relic & scripture.'
A lost cargo ship lurches & spasms sideways back into real space into oncoming traffic of a busy pilgrim route, it's functions & services barely working. As its on a pilgrim route squads of Sororitas Battle Sisters are tasked with clearing & cleansing the ruin before its towed out of the way. They find one survivor, a young girl in rags blinded by blood from a head wound, quoting scripture and wielding the Bolter of a saint. The girl is surrounded by bodies of Genestealer cultists and several Genestealers, the rest of the crew and what looks like several gangers died in the battle.
Even with her injury induced amnesia the girl is integrated & cleared by a Ordo Heredicus inquisitor and on his command put into training to be a battle sister. Using the same display for leadership and tactics as she had in the underhive she rises through the ranks quickly over many duties and campaigns at which point the Inquisitor takes her into his retinue.
End of season/ book 2.
Part 3.) -'Diving into the deep.'
Through doing many tasks for her puritan inquisitor (ranging from the trivial to the abhorrent) she becomes a acolyte of note when her Inquisitor is killed under mysterious circumstances. While she inherits the title, rank and duties of her Inquisitor its not without questions.
Its at this point that she gets driven to take the Inquisitor's ship, fills it with Battle Sisters of her old Order and suddenly dives towards the Maelstrom.
At the same time as that her rebellion on Necromunda is revealed (the cogs of Imperium's bureaucracy is tediously slow), along with the questions around her inquisitor's death and many other strange events, thus another Inquisitor is sent to retrieve her on counts of heresy. This time its a seasoned Ordo Mallous Inquisitor of ruthless renown.
He catches up with her on the lost planet of Avalon inside of the Maelstrom's rim, its perpetually at war between loyalists and Chaos, a port either for Chaos to launch raids against the Imperium or a fortress to hold Chaos at bay. Its also covered in broken Necron pylons similar to what's on Cadia but in this case not working. As a Ordo Mallus he wants to destroy the world in Exterminatus, as a tactician she wants to call in reinforcements to defend it. The importance of the world and conflict between the two Inquisitors ends up calling in everything in the area from space marine fleets to Imperial guard battlegroups.
End of season/ book 3.
Part 4.) -'Thalassophobia.'
The Imperial military might collected around the beleaguered planet and prepared to descend to the surface...
…Then a giant Eldar warp gate of antiquity broke stealth and opened, swallowing all the naval vessels AND THE PLANET into the webway!
While at the same time other huge gates around the galaxy de-stealthed and swallowed Tyranid hive fleets, Orc infested planets and more funnelling them all through the webway at the face of the great Chaos god Nurgle in his garden.
This of course permanently destroyed the Eldar warp gates that in the past was used to transport suns & planets to Commorragh but this was Cegorach's plan. This is what he had been planning all this time, this is why he was mapping the webway, to enact a sudden surprise for Nurgle.
With planet-sized Orc Rocs, followed by 'shadow in the warp' causing Tyranid fleets to blind him, along with Necron dynasties hidden beneath the surface of those planets and of course the Imperium's armies. Cegorach the laughing god was using his enemies as his weapons, as a distraction while Eldar fleets stole back Isha the Eldar god of harvest, fertility, life, healing and growth.
The other Chaos gods keen to expand their own power during Nurgle's misfortune all rush to fight against him as well giggling with glee. While at great loss of life ducking & weaving amongst all of the anarchy the Eldar fleets just barely manage to escape with their prize. A prize to save their race from a very painful extinction.
For her service the girl from Necromunda was saved by the Eldar as well. It was a Harlequin that explained, while pointing at the Farseer behind him, that they had predicted & shaped her life events.
It was they that sabotaged the shuttle craft that got her parents together, it was they that shot her old gang leader so she'd be promoted, it was they that helped her with her with mysterious successes in the hive when she was a child, it was they that jumped the transport ship out of warp when everyone was dead, they that gave her amnesia so couldn't testify against her own crimes, they that got her promoted to Inquisitor, they that gave her visions of Avalon …all so she'd bring the forces of the Imperium to distract Nurgle.
Good Mon'keigh.
and for a reward in honour of Isha the god of life, we have decided to let you live.
She awoke back on the docks of Necromunda, as an Inquisitor but back where she started, staring out of a window and seeing the stars.
Part 4. epilogue) -'Fruits of the garden.'
Isha was weak & wounded not just from Nurgle's 'affections' but also from the loss of her people, so she recovered on a maiden world tended by Eldar Exodites. But the saving of Isha wasn't the only thing that came out the siege of the garden, forces everywhere where weakened temporarily, Orcs, Necrons, Tyranids, the Imperium, Chaos they all recover at astonishing rates but for once the universe was a little quieter.
There was another thing, born from the collective unity of Eldar factions working together for a god, a group of Eldar calling themselves the Ynnari or 'the reborn' believed the god Ynnead, from the Eldar end times could be brought forward to combat Slannesh and that the god is already starting to form in the immaterium. Weak as she was, being the god of life, harvest and growth Isha empowered Ynnead enough to have an avatar. Also its revealed that the lost Primarch Leman Russ helped the Harlequins through the plan to save Isha and that he'll be back in the future to have her help the Emperor from the failing Golden Throne.
Fat on the feast thrown into Nurgle's garden, the other Chaos gods told Abaddon the Despoiler how to destroy Cadia and break the back of the human empire, starting the story into the 13th Black Crusade.... and the rest of the Cicatrix Maledictum/ Roboute Guilliman/ Primaris marines storyline goes from there. While the Eldar are collecting the pieces of Khaine, their god of war.
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The reason I like adding this story into the timeline is it starts off slow, gets faster and faster while it also as it goes on it scales up the story from ganger, to guardsmen, to Sisters, to Inquisition, to marines, to everything else and it could incorporate every faction.
It gives Eldar respect, it makes more sense than the present story (Eldar Ynnead a god of death, heals a human primarch wtf?! Having the god of healing do it makes far more sense especially if the humans helped save her). With a god of birth, another of death, one of trickery and working towards reforming the god of war gives a clear progression & potential for the Eldar..
Then you release a codex for Eldar Exodites with an avatar of Isha, while the Aeldari have the avatar of Khaine, Harlequins have an avatar of Cegorach, and Drukhari are associated with the avatar of Ynnead.
I think that a fun potential plotline would be another Trazyn one of "oops something got out of the pokeball" and throw Clone Fulgrim and a war in heaven era Eldar out and have them go on a buddy cop adventure to recollect the shards of Khaine to allow Khaine to have another war with Slaanesh. Since he imprisoned Slaanesh for a time in AoS, it wouldn't be a bad way to sideline Slaanesh for a little bit. Give some reason for Chaos Fulgrim to get off his ass and get back into the setting too.
Alderi and humans are cousins, a team up makes sense. Grim dark isnt reality but if you have enemies closing in on you from every side, you're going to look for allies. They have the same Creator, they both want relatively peaceful lives to just be what they are, they aren't tyranids eating, orcs warring, necron dominating, tau conquering. They're both fighting because things are fighting them. It just makes sense. Vulkan says he's sorry for killing that alderi kids, swear down
I got the same thought, both fight for survive now and should make an alliance or trunce of not agression.
Greetings praise algorithm gods!
Xenos lore is my secon favorite part of 40k. Sadly its not a big part of it.... I would love to see more of Phoenix Lords.... Sadly we will only get more primaris lutenants...
It is sad that there really seem to be no authors to do them justice. Yet I think it is a bit of an exaggeration to say the Eldar are stuck lore wise. I think in the end they at the faction with the most possibilities to just pull new rabbits out of their hats alongside with the necrons and chaos. You can do just about anything that seems impossible for any other race and get away with it. The Imperium is somewhat limited in their plot choices , since gheir lore is so detailed and deep, that it’s hard to bring new stuff into it without nerds hating on the changes. They are magical creatures in a way pulling strings in the background. In fact with their doomsday lore they are in fact the killswitch for the whole setting as well as the starting point for a new one.
There is still a lot to say, but I’m just too tired right now to write it all out. Just leave a reply if you are interested in what my other thoughts on this are.
Just hook up Roboute Guilliman and Yvraine already... we all know that this is the way.
I quite agree. Feels like they were written into a dead end yet again. However I'm hopeful they will come up with a way forward for them, especially after all the new models they've got and have been announced.
5:26 that relies on the Eldar being a relevant faction. They aren't.
Dont act like tau got much new lore, i play both tau and eldar, the only new lore development is that now shadowsun is suspicious of the ethereals and we know that the greater good deity is female, thats it, nothing said in arks of omen is new lore, Tau fans *KNEW* that khorne looked at farsight with interest YEARS before this dogsh*t book (it was bad, only the shadowsun one is worth reading and is actually good).
After the psychic awakening *TRAVESTY* (thats when the yinnari trilogy was being made) i refused to read any more eldar books. The ONLY eldar lore i care about its the one I MAKE MYSELF FOR MY HOMEBREWED CRAFTWORLD.
Its called Eowèn if you were wondering.
The worst part about the Tau lore is that they did get a massive shakeup in the death of Aun'va. But then the story has a hologram take his place and things continue as if he never died. Also the wasted potential that is their wormhole that could have been used as a nexus to various different places in the galaxy, like a sort of quasy-natural Webway. Far more limited, but enough to scatter the Tau to various spots across the galaxy rather than keeping them all condensed in their isolated corner.
@@Kerogoth GW is obsessed with Chaos and the Warp. I too thin the Startide nexus would be awesome and open the setting up more (we now have FTL that doesn't rely solely on wild warp dives) but GW doesn't want to explore anything not related to Chaos and the Imperium.
Reacting to the intro, the setting actually evolving was, in fact, exciting at first, but after a while, I started to see the problems with it, and IMO, it would have been better to either let it remain relatively static, or to at least progress the major changes much more slowly. Again, it's just my opinion. However, i used to be able to explain 40k without worrying that inhalant spent $300+ on books to keep up with the storyline. I don't have $300 for books (and it's probably more than that), because it's $300 to buy two units for my army.
I am with you guys. I always loved the eldar, the 4th edition crafteorld mini codex was amazing and fluffy. I love the assuryata narrative, the vedas- like background of the race. I love the dark eldar. Unfortunately, outside the DE and vehicles, the models are so bad... GWs original sin... hueg hats and dated design... a dying race who is weak and turbo-powerful.
Also 10edition turned an amazing game of sm captain Joey vs farseer Judy (your dudes). To in this episode of THe Smallest Galaxy, Yvraine goes to the corner store for milk and meets Magnus and Angron, they hassle her until her boyfriend Robby and his emo brother Elly come to the resue. Every game is SuperBestFriends.
PS arent tau short lived? WHY DO WE HAVE THE SAME 3 CHARACTERS 2M LATER.
0:40 - that's no sitting. That's POWER SQUAT.
It's okay, I'm used to the fact that, like most other factions, we Eldar exist purely to make space marines look even more super-badass. :P
And the Space Marines exist to make the Grey Knights seem more badass. And they exist to make the Custodes seem more badass. Etc.
@@Tom_Quixote that might be true (I honestly don't know if it is as I don't play either faction), but at least you get to be near the top of the pecking order, while we, along with the Tau (and possibly Imperial Guard as well), are stuck at the very bottom. 😛
In reality I think a faction such as the Eldar don't really work very well in the narrative framework of modern WH40k. In a setting where nothing was set, every bit of information could be contradicted and and frequently was the eldar served as a mystery within the setting. Their aloofness was just part of that mystery and the storylines that highlighted the Eldar pushed focus on humanities plights in the lore. Basically, highlighting Orks or Eldar or even the first iteration of the Necrons helped put the spotlight on the Imperium itself.
As the universe shifted to a setting that was primarily explained, formal and in some sense narratively structured in a way that highlighted events instead focusing on the Aeldari will always take away focus from their best selling model (and narrative) ranges. Clear opponents do work which is why Chaos works so well as would something like the Orks but a semi-friendly faction that primarily was there to add mystique to the setting will have a much harder time functioning in the setting.
I pin my hopes on the return of Fulgrim. When he returns, this will mean that Slaneesh is ascendant. The Aeldari being the obvious foil to that, lore might progress as a result.
The big shiny soul stones and slick looking equipment takes away from the grim dark look. They need to be grittier. Thats why I prefer the Drukhari
I've been playing Eldar since the 2nd edition. They are my first & favourite. When the 3rd edition came out I also started Dark Eldar.
I completely agree with the argument's made in this video & the comments.
Games Workshop is and always will be a company. And the goal of every company is to generate profit.
That's why the Craftworld Eldar, Dark Eldar and Harlequins are left on the byline. They don't generate a fraction of what they earn with their main horse the Space Marines.
For example the books that Gav wrote aren't Bad ( even if they let the Eldar seem weak) but they didn't sell anywhere as well as Games workshop was expecting. So they got pulled out and the storyline scrapped.
The Black Library writers have got a gigantic hard on for space marines and will always let anything else look like a joke. Cleaver marketing strategy for the best selling faction.
Did I hit it out of the park?
I think part of it, to me, is that the Necrons gobbled up all the 'cool ancient race' space when they got revamped from mindless shells into being space tomb kings.
And they seemed better allies who can cooperate with the Imperium while at the same time being threatening.
There’s 100% a path forward. When Fulgrim & Emperors children show up in game, they can take the spotlight again with their Slaanesh ties
It's not necessarly even that Eldar don't make money for them... the main problem is, that neither GW nor BL has competent enough writers to actually create an interesting and well thought story for them. And the one that could pull it off (Abnett, ADB as example) simply are entirely in their comfort zones with the stuff they write that they won't take the risk.
If they are to push the Alderi, they should tie it in with the release of the Emperor's Children.
In exchange you guys get the best win rate in all of 10th edition the last 2 metawatch
Sugulag God of Greed says hi. This changes were done purely from marketing standpoint to boost sales of Spessh Mehreens. Nothing more, nothing less.
Idk, the new faction got THREE miniatures, all released at the end of 7th edition, and the rules went from promising in the Index to utter crap in Psychic Awakening. In the current 40k landscape, game performance drives sales.
The two worst decisions...Cawl and the walking tech-heresy that is the Primaris. I hope the Lion gives us his opinion on them soon.
i know that being stuck in that armor was like a constant hell for guilliman, but i had no idea he was also forced to sit in the goofiest way possible 0:27
Surprised one of those Crone Swords isn't Farsight's...
At first I thought you were pronouncing things differently to be a bit flamboyant but by the end I could tell you were definitely taking the piss 🤣
Honestly, I don't like the Ynnari. But that might be because their lore is handled so badly, which is something I feel about most of the 8th Edition onwards lore.
Its rather annoying that GW uses the Saim Hann scheme as the posterboy color for the Eldar but refuses to add Nuadhu FireHeart as a playable character again.
And i guess that GW will also ruin Spacewolves even more by turning Leman Russ into a werewolf. (i hope iam wrong about that btw)
Every faction has an at least somewhat possible win-condition GW wen out of their way to screw over the Eldar.
I feel the intertwinement of the Nightlords and the Eldar would be a great way forward for both stories as I'm a huge fan of both plots it's a shame they don't support them.
They’ve always seemed like an afterthought on GW’s part, the lore is a confusing mess.
It's such a hackneyed cliché that they have to gather the ancient swords of power.
I think that the Aeldari should be shown in books to be extremly wise and deadly but fragile, but not Battle enemies that require them to get brain damage to lose like the imperium
Make the face forces of necrons they havent seen in so long that they dont understand them
Or make them face the new threat of tyrranids and again be shown completly caught off guard by an enemy they havent Met yet
Slaanesh getting splintered or trapped by the Aeldari could be the next big deal in the timeline not Only making the Aeldari look competent and powerful for kneeling a Chaos God but also would motivate the emperors children to gather togheter to become a more unified and as such Dangerous force
Ending konrad ended all hope..
There's also the redemption of the bigest shard of Kain which could have been interesting but went nowhere
Thank you for this video.
As an Eldar fan I have given up in frustration.
I feel the same for thousand sons( i am a thousand sons player), they lose like most of the time and most victories they gain they would lose immediately soon.
11:30 a other major reason is that Yannri didnt work for like half a year thanks to bad management. the subfaction got put in rules hell limbo for a while between the 8 and 9 edition and was illigall to even play in a super awkward way.
its also that Eldar is eldar, they tried something new, didn't see it explode in popularity and went to the safer things, trying to homogenize the factions also ain't helping
Yvraine and the yncarne were bad design choices IMO. Just look at the memes with her and guiliman They would fit in Drukhari characters better. The Visarch is awesome. They were used as a plot device for space marines sadly. I think they should get the crone swords but be unable to fully destroy slaanesh
I stopped acknowledging new lore some years ago.
This is the way.
I've been an Eldar fan for a long time, but I just don't see them fixing the issues brought up here. They aren't a main enough faction; they aren't Imperium, and GW doesn't WANT them to be at the top of the meta, or the big mover, and shaper, in where the narrative goes. I think it's fair to say GW wants to make money first, and good lore, or even product, second, and even when the Eldar were at their recent zenith, riding high above other factions, and probably making the biggest sales they will, in this or the next couple editions, no one was going to write a narrative to capitalize on that percentage; they just wanted to return them to a more level performer, and let them wait their eventual turn. Will their codex actually include story that matters? Will they begin to build toward something real, or just get an "in the background, this might trudge along, and be built off of, if we want" thing? I don't personally expect GW to give them a big shift. They already had Eldar have their meaning, in tournaments, and that will be it.
Past that, I'm not sure how much of their lore they CAN let move forward? The Eldar lose something if they aren't permanently on extinction's knife edge, and under the threat of She Who Thirsts. They also aren't going to let Slaanesh actually be defeated, or allow the Eldar to pass on their mantle of greatest to the humans they don't really like. It would be nice to see them get sone love, and move forward, but this is sort of another story they want to write, but never finish, because continuing it is what keeps them in business, and while we know that Imperium is the faction GW favors, they know that the Eldar have a base, so they want to keep making money; just not at the expense of other money.😊
I think the Eldar are pretty much where they need to be. They are a dying race and the whole of their lore is desperate attempts to save themselves. Turning them around at this point would be kind of a weird play on the lore as it has been for decades. The advent of 10th edition only served to turn alot more fans against Eldar as their mechanics where, and still are, busted and not fun to play against, despite GW attempting to fix them.
The Eldar have been ruined for a while. So many interesting plot points that just got dropped for no reason. Yeah I know there are plenty of factions that had cool lore stuff that got dropped but Aeldari probably have some of the biggest fumbles. Part of the reason I hate them so much is their arrogance. I get that arrogance and the “holier than thou” thing is their thing but holy shit dude. Even Yvraine calls the humans she’s supposed to be working with mon’keigh in the lore and it’s like what the hell dude you wonder why humans hate you so much. All you do is insult anyone that you interact with. GW needs to just blow up the Eldar and Drukhari and replace them with actually unique and interesting factions like Dark Mechanicum, Iron Warriors, Emperors Children, etc.
i would say story may be over but the thousend son part i feal will come back in play
The Eldar should have Robots fight their wars. They are a dying race and would not deliberately fight on the front lines.
Which would be a much more interesting backstory for the Necrons rather than to have them be space egyptians
Haven't been able to read as much 40k books as I wanted to but it always felt like the eldar were the seer plot device to give reason to why they suddenly appear and fuck with space marines or just show up to fuck something up and leave but their seemingly random actions are just explained away as being that they saw a future that was terrible if they didn't do this or that... For a while I just thought they were like the drukhari in that they like fighting those who can't fight or those they know for certain they can defeat with little to no effort lol honestly I like fantasy elves more but that's only because of the dommy mommy morathi XD her son darth vader too
Grim Derp at its finest!!
Missing the TTS
Games work shop is running it for fans
8:00 Truly there is no worse fate in the galaxy in the grim darkness of the 41's millennium.
Kaine wanted to destroy all eldar in the first placei can't see how he would help
A few primarch redemption arcs - maybe also a few unexpected alliances and the Aeldari will come back as part of that - they are already occasionally helping humanity - Meanwhile horus heresy cant stay forever people get bored so gw will have to work for maybe a bigger battle - maybe against chaos united as a single entity at some point and then a redemption arch for it - the emperor retrieving his star child and uniting the gods as the heart part of things - he cant stay on throne longer without becoming irrelevant ) and then maybe 40k will make its way to being galaxy vs galaxy - there are already sub plots to help facilitate this - Some xenos with humans could also unite to fight things which even the 4 chaos gods are afraid of - The plot atm even if a bit adhoc - it feels like something alot bigger is on its way - And if Cavill makes 40k mainstream - there may be pressure on GW to change stories sooner rather than later to make it more shiny and stop core fandom boredom
the worst thing gw did lore wise was anything and everything to do with the primarus crap.
Calling the Eldari "Aeldari" certainly doesn't help
“Rant all you want Eldar, we stand and you have fallen.”
Just as long as the Nids/Chaos don't win in some stupid WHFB-style "End Times" scenario, I think the franchise can survive.
Wanted to start eldar as my first xeno army, bunch of imperium fanboys basically bullied me out of it, then i got bored with the classic space marine story of "were out numbered 10,000,000 to one but its ok we won anyway"
I had a similar interaction when I revealed I liked xenos by my friend he started calling me a filthy xenos that needed exterminated over and over again until I gave up and got some sisters of battle so he would leave me alone. I later got some drukhari like I actually wanted.
@@shanatokisaki4596 love how they act better than everyone but then cry when they lose
If Gotrek (Pre AOS) can take on a greater daemon then Space-Elf-Jesus that can barely slay a fraciton of one has no chance. Also abandoning the lore becasue of sales is the opposite thin you should do. Double down and try and make it cool and people will not only buy but clamor for new lore.
Have non human factions fight each other. That simple. Make it not a complete waste like the Octarius war. Nothing stopping the first things breaching the black library to be tau...
0:30 He looks like he tried to squeeze into a chair with a too small set, so he has to keep a bunch of his mass hanging off the front.
Robust Girlyman!
I have a massive howling banshee/morai-heg themed army with a lot of ynnari sub units. The fact that I don't want to play them on tabletop much is annoying to myself.
Because pre and post COVID most of the people at several lgs just ran marines or imperial guard. I was like. Wow the imperium sucks. It's nothing but civil war.
Then GW perpetuates the myth of no one likes eldar because eldar don't sell. I'm like when all you promote are the marines, and sabotage the xenos. What do you think is gonna happen? Then you do something stupid like make them lose to basically the avatar of an avatar. Of course they look bad.
Look, I get that no one will ever "win" 40k. But your armies outside of the imperium needs love. I literally despise the imperium outside of the sisters and played my sister's army as if they were trapped on the other side of a warp storm with no aid coming and worked with my eldar. Lol.
now hearing this i 100 percent agree with what you think
Hahaha I never thought that a sitting primarch could look so ridiculous. Damn he looks uncomfortable.
"Vored by slaanesh" no way this 50 yr old voice actor thinks that's anything but another bit of warhammer jargon lol
Imperium is so fucked ATM that not forming Grand Alliance of Order seems stupid. Make Emperor give his blessings to Guilliman, and add options to use auxilias in game
Long live e Eldar
Just let some craftworlds side with Ynnari and ally with Imperium. We can then have some internal eldar conflict form new corsair faction
GW pls. Don't fk this up
you know... just refuse GW's bullshit
cant they call for help from the imperium?
I'd think a better narrative would be of one in which a human/aldari being was birthed in the form of a Null Pysker.
This would give both sides a rather large problem to deal with in the ways of racial purity & not touched (designed) by the big E.