American Jiu-Jitsu: The Movie

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  • Опубліковано 18 сер 2021
  • Is there such a thing as "American Jiu-Jitsu"? A term that divides opinion, the USA and Brazil's best grapplers and coaches speak on this polarizing topic.
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  • @johndaniels3316
    @johndaniels3316 2 роки тому +395

    Just call it Jiu Jitsu. Drop any national name.

    • @Wealthforthe99Percent
      @Wealthforthe99Percent 2 роки тому +10

      Yep, no need for it, just branding.

    • @cordy3418
      @cordy3418 2 роки тому +11

      Literally either drop the nationality or everyone calls it their own nationality. Ex. Chinese JJ, Australian JJ, Canadian JJ which would confuse everyfuckingbody

    • @NotWatchingTV
      @NotWatchingTV 2 роки тому +5

      it is just a team name basically.

    • @felixrolls6016
      @felixrolls6016 2 роки тому +1

      We´ve gone full circle.

    • @IowaRonin
      @IowaRonin 2 роки тому +15

      America isn't a nation. It's two continents. Brazil is in America as well.

  • @andrealcantara1437
    @andrealcantara1437 2 роки тому +414

    I'm Brazilian, and at least here, all the people I know just call it Jiu Jitsu. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu became synonym when it migrate to the world but it's the least important aspect of the art. The more contribution the better.

    • @user-tr8kr1jd2o
      @user-tr8kr1jd2o 2 роки тому +10

      It does help differentiate between the OG jiu jitsu and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

    • @andrealcantara1437
      @andrealcantara1437 2 роки тому +3

      @@user-tr8kr1jd2o why?

    • @abrahamdelgado3507
      @abrahamdelgado3507 2 роки тому +3

      Osss

    • @kevinjohnson6549
      @kevinjohnson6549 2 роки тому +8

      @@andrealcantara1437 because they are two different martial arts in many ways

    • @carlosvitor4671
      @carlosvitor4671 2 роки тому +11

      Boa irmão! Raro ver algum br sem esse pensamento conservador e burro de "SÓ BRASILEIRO É BOM DE JIUJITSU, TODO GRINGO É RUIM, CHAVE DE PÉ É COISA DE QUEM NÃO TEM TÉCNICA E JIUJITSU SÓ É DE KIMONO". Jiujitsu é pra todos!

  • @Caneyhead123
    @Caneyhead123 2 роки тому +287

    Let’s just call it “angry yoga”. There fixed it.

    • @BezmenovWasRight
      @BezmenovWasRight 2 роки тому +1

      LMAO

    • @alexz5140
      @alexz5140 2 роки тому +7

      'involuntary yoga'

    • @cro_magnum
      @cro_magnum 2 роки тому +4

      Waryoga

    • @joeviz9576
      @joeviz9576 2 роки тому

      Nah this is gjj everyone else is fronting or ignorant

    • @roo4051
      @roo4051 2 роки тому +1

      @@cro_magnum that’s the hardest name. You should start a gym and patent that shit

  • @FactsOverFeelings69
    @FactsOverFeelings69 2 роки тому +85

    Whenever I think "American jiu-jitsu " I think of a jiu-jitsu practioner with good wrestling and a knack for attacking the legs. It's just a sub genre of jiu-jitsu. Not trying to replace the "Brazilian jiu-jitsu " name just acknowledging there's slight differences in style between Americans and Brazilians when it comes to technique.

    • @FactsOverFeelings69
      @FactsOverFeelings69 2 роки тому +1

      @@vids595 facts

    • @FactsOverFeelings69
      @FactsOverFeelings69 2 роки тому

      @Bernie that also lol

    • @rabbitazteca23
      @rabbitazteca23 2 роки тому +1

      wrestling in what way? Because I see BJJ fighters also use wrestling and grappling techniques.

    • @hanniballectormd5569
      @hanniballectormd5569 2 роки тому

      NO GI, Leg Locks, Wrestling = American JJ for sure they're all just being sore losers about it

    • @FactsOverFeelings69
      @FactsOverFeelings69 2 роки тому +1

      @@rabbitazteca23 wrestling in the sense we have far more wrestlers transition to bjj, in turn bringing with them traditional wrestling moves. Power half Nelson, for example.

  • @alexkpai
    @alexkpai 2 роки тому +79

    Reid: "This 'American Jiu Jitsu' buzzword that you've been reading online lately:"
    Also Reid: The only person on the planet that's trying to make 'American Jiu Jitsu' a thing online lately

  • @TheBigAzzTree
    @TheBigAzzTree Рік тому +5

    every now and then i come back to this video whenever i feel the need to lose brain cells

  • @BlueishBb
    @BlueishBb 2 роки тому +29

    Next up: Keenan starts calling it "american kissing", since not only the french use their tounge

  • @user-sy8ls6mt3q
    @user-sy8ls6mt3q 2 роки тому +40

    "It's just a name."
    As one guy have said: "Why don't you change your name to Mandy? That's just a name also."
    Why do americans have this "Americanize everything" mentality. Please stop that nonsense. Call it Jiu Jitsu and enjoy the game.

    • @andrewfleming6487
      @andrewfleming6487 2 роки тому +6

      Perfect comment

    • @michaelparsons2290
      @michaelparsons2290 2 роки тому +1

      America!!! 🇺🇸

    • @Jessie_James850
      @Jessie_James850 Рік тому +1

      Hey sunshine,play your sad violine to brasilians. They are the one who started to apropriate japanese martial art and name it "brasilian". Hypocrite

    • @johnlloyddy7016
      @johnlloyddy7016 Рік тому

      I've always thought American Jiujitsu was just very competitive Jiujitsu on steroids.

    • @Canuck-yj3ms
      @Canuck-yj3ms Місяць тому

      @@Jessie_James850BJJ is a completely different system from JJ

  • @matthewfon3649
    @matthewfon3649 2 роки тому +105

    Just call it submission grappling, and then you can have specific styles just like boxing has “European style boxing” and “Mexican style boxing”.

    • @Joecool20147
      @Joecool20147 2 роки тому +11

      Right, another benefit of that is the name actually offers a description of what you are doing.
      When people here BJJ half the time they think of a Brazilian Waxing.

    • @matthewfon3649
      @matthewfon3649 2 роки тому +17

      @@Joecool20147 When people hear “Jiu Jitsu”, they think we’re chopping wooden boards like traditional martial arts

    • @Joecool20147
      @Joecool20147 2 роки тому +3

      Matthew Fon Matthew Fon exactly, Honestly at this point I lean into that as a joke.
      Whenever I talk about BJJ to my friends or family I mimic like I am doing Karate.
      Mike from Hard to Hurt said it best “The biggest benefit of Karate is that when you tell people you do it the conversations is over and you don’t questions like “O Karate, is that like Karate?””

    • @danielmontilla1197
      @danielmontilla1197 2 роки тому +4

      @@Joecool20147 I´m sick and tired of the "Blow Job Jutsu" or "Jew-Jitsu" jokes in every comment thread as well, lol. A more encompassing name really suits what BJJ has become, specially regarding No Gi. Mixed Grappling could be a good name too

    • @Joecool20147
      @Joecool20147 2 роки тому +1

      Daniel Montilla Mixed Grappling could work. I’d say just call it Grappling as long as you do indeed focus on all forms of Grappling, and wouldn’t get totally embarrassed if an average wrestler came in to test it out.

  • @zshakur
    @zshakur 2 роки тому +8

    I think American JJ is 10th Planet JJ! Eddie Bravo (an American) actually created a new form of JJ. Guys c'mon, give the man his props!

  • @marklechadores5574
    @marklechadores5574 Рік тому +13

    It's an American identity. They took BJJ lifestyle, techniques and philosophy and made it their own. I would vouch for that. I'm from Alberta, Canada and I train in a Canadian gym so I can say my jiu jitsu is Canadian. Brazilians shouldn't be upset by it since Helio learned from a Japanese jiu jitsu practitioner.

    • @CarlosDavidbjj
      @CarlosDavidbjj 3 місяці тому

      Yes, but Hélio and the rest of Brazilian change many things even an international Federation

    • @rhafaelitalodeabreuparanho7250
      @rhafaelitalodeabreuparanho7250 Місяць тому

      Hélio aprendeu um tipo de jiu jitsu primitivo que se parecia mais com o judô e o modificou tornando uma luta exclusivamente de chão, por isso o nome jiu jitsu brasileiro

  • @gavblack1081
    @gavblack1081 2 роки тому +18

    British jiu jitsu coming soon.

    • @dalirkosimov4623
      @dalirkosimov4623 2 роки тому +3

      " do you practice BJJ or BJJ? "

    • @lacrivellari
      @lacrivellari 2 роки тому +1

      @@dalirkosimov4623 depends on the accent lol

  • @luisdawnfinder3188
    @luisdawnfinder3188 Рік тому +26

    It seems like a couple styles that might be considered "American" Jiu Jitsu would be the prevalence of leglocks and no gi from influences like Danaher/Ryan/Eddie Bravo etc. but also maybe some of the heavy wrestling influence that we have in the US in schools growing up. Not to say that you can't find these characteristics in other regions of the world, but I think anywhere you find Jiu Jitsu or Kickboxing or any sort of martial art, you'll likely always find certain regional factors that affect the style. They're more of subcultures of the same art rather than different arts I think

  • @raymondr2821
    @raymondr2821 2 роки тому +23

    The way I see it
    Japanese brought it to Brazil
    Brazil improve it
    Brazilian brought it to America
    America improve it
    So its still jiu jitsu

    • @thiagobritto6282
      @thiagobritto6282 2 роки тому +9

      How did America improve it? As far as I know, Brazilians are still winning the most important championships...
      However, I agree that its just Jiu-Jitsu, but we cannot deny that Brazilians still dominate this sport

    • @Hydra9k
      @Hydra9k 2 роки тому +7

      @@thiagobritto6282 what Brazilians are winning “the most important” tournaments? Gordon Ryan won ADCC absolute and 99kg last year.

    • @Prisonmike27
      @Prisonmike27 2 роки тому +7

      @@Hydra9k if u watch the rankings 20-21 (ibjjf), the first 10 males are brazilian, the same as female ranking, and you are talking about one dude. And the adcc champions 6 of 8 categories the brazilian athletes won the first place. (gordon got 2 categories by himself). So, brazilian athlete still dominates the whole shit.

    • @spookybruv421
      @spookybruv421 2 роки тому

      @@thiagobritto6282 FALSE

  • @luizfelipesteinoliveira3062
    @luizfelipesteinoliveira3062 2 роки тому +18

    American capoeira, American pão de queijo, American caipirinha, American brigadeiro. Só falta

    • @lucasferreiradecarvalho9610
      @lucasferreiradecarvalho9610 2 роки тому

      Americano tem esse costume imperialista de querer possuir tudo, ou agir como se criariam algo, breve vão dizer que o Muay Thai foi criado lá, Se o professor desses idiotas certamente não é brasileiro, mas o mestre do mestre deles era um, mas pra eles é meio difícil ver algo de fora ser maior do que oque eles praticam, como mesmo uma fala do vídeo foi dita” não represento o Brasil” é mais sobre ego do que tudo.

    • @mafisojj
      @mafisojj Рік тому +1

      KKKKKKKKKKKKKK VSF

  • @cjimbeam2125
    @cjimbeam2125 2 роки тому +19

    CJJ - Chinese Jiu Jitsu. Done, I am trade marking this one.

  • @marvsmartillano3269
    @marvsmartillano3269 2 роки тому +23

    Xande" Still can't pass my guard , cant submit me for shit"---- how about Marcelo Garcia?

    • @Prisonmike27
      @Prisonmike27 2 роки тому +3

      he's talking about "americans", marcelo its brazilian aswell

  • @josesoto3594
    @josesoto3594 2 роки тому +65

    10 minutes in an I've heard Keenan say the exact same lines 4 times. What a way to recycle clips

    • @stevena8719
      @stevena8719 2 роки тому +2

      Jake shields was saying this decades ago

  • @davidwatts8281
    @davidwatts8281 2 роки тому +81

    Stopped it at "American jiu-jitsu is the evolution of jiu-jitsu itself"
    That's hilarious... Jiu-jitsu is always evolving, and it knows no bounds as we are all learning it together and evolving it no matter what country you're in

    • @josecavaco8978
      @josecavaco8978 2 роки тому +1

      I was going to write just that, thank you

    • @hanniballectormd5569
      @hanniballectormd5569 2 роки тому +5

      If you've ever used the term BJJ than you're a straight hypocrite (Which we all know you have) because it's just Japanese Jiu Jitsu with a Brazilian twist. Remind me again what country started the No Gi JJ and what country put leg locks on the map and what country dominates Jiu Jitsu today? Of course which particular country something is irrelevant at the end of the day because any other human can learn the same stuff but credit is due where it's due.

    • @davidwatts8281
      @davidwatts8281 2 роки тому +1

      @@hanniballectormd5569 Let me take one guess... You're American
      So called...
      "American jiu-jitsu" is nothing without "BJJ" which is nothing without "Japanese jiu-jitsu"...
      It's evolving internationally, sir
      With the blessing of the internets, we're all learning Jiu-jitsu together

    • @cryptolinksinvesting2058
      @cryptolinksinvesting2058 2 роки тому +1

      You should watch the rest of it otherwise you don't have a real opinion here.

    • @chuckgreen3629
      @chuckgreen3629 2 роки тому

      @@hanniballectormd5569 "no gi JJ" is Brazilian luta livre, aka catch wrestling, so in a roundabout way, you're right. BJJ isn't Japanese Jiu Jitsu, it's Kodokan Judo. Mitsuya Maeda, Geo Omori, Masahiko Kimura, Isao Okano, etc. were all Kodokan Judoka, and all the early ones were also pro wrestlers.

  • @quelove8556
    @quelove8556 2 роки тому +40

    Heath Pedigo give it to you in the raw! Straight up no chaser💯 Love it!

  • @kapildhingra20
    @kapildhingra20 2 роки тому +8

    Both American and Brazilian jiu jitsu must bow down to a good old fashion Russian slap fight

  • @zcvhzd
    @zcvhzd 2 роки тому +11

    As someone outside of ju jitsu, just seems like a shitty branding attempt to draw in americans who base their entire identity around the country they happened to get born in

  • @BGvideo
    @BGvideo 2 роки тому +53

    I'm still wondering why there wasn't Russian Jiu Jitsu, or Soviet Jiu Jitsu... )) Right?
    Personally, I love term grappling. ADCC in my opinion is doing it the right way, the only way it's going to gather all the wrestlers, jitsers, judokas, and sambists to grapple together, and stop dick-measuring

    • @user-3002v
      @user-3002v 2 роки тому +2

      🤣

    • @AdarnThornasMoran
      @AdarnThornasMoran 2 роки тому +1

      Сказал, как отрезал

    • @matheusgarcia2766
      @matheusgarcia2766 2 роки тому +1

      Yeah, but there's Korean judo, Mongolian judo, etc. When the Russians start doing their own style or adding their twist on things, there will be a Russian jiu jitsu

    • @martinsahlberg3244
      @martinsahlberg3244 2 роки тому +1

      If it was submission only I think that Gordon would submit anyone

    • @BGvideo
      @BGvideo 2 роки тому

      @@AdarnThornasMoran скажи?! )

  • @Truth_Serum_1
    @Truth_Serum_1 2 роки тому +7

    The only one that can claim American jujitsu. Is Eddie Bravo and his 10th planet. They came up with their own style, they have their own moves the schools are not like anybody else's. And everybody else is doing the Brazilian jiu jitsu that was taught to them.

  • @saulovazquez266
    @saulovazquez266 Рік тому +3

    I would love to see a team of the best of Brazilian black belts vs best of the best American black belts.

  • @BrunoSirilo
    @BrunoSirilo 2 роки тому +35

    Imagine Ramon Dekkers calling 'Muay Thai' 'Muay Netherlands' LOL

    • @IowaRonin
      @IowaRonin 2 роки тому +19

      Uhhh, they call it Dutch Kickboxing.
      In Brazil they call it Chute Boxe.

    • @ola_eboda
      @ola_eboda 2 роки тому +6

      @@IowaRonin bingo

    • @BrunoSirilo
      @BrunoSirilo 2 роки тому +6

      @@IowaRonin chute boxe is a gym , not a martial art smart guy

    • @IowaRonin
      @IowaRonin 2 роки тому +3

      @@BrunoSirilo
      It's simply two Portuguese words that translate to "kickboxing".
      We're talking about language.
      Muay Thai is just "Thai boxing".
      There is such things as:
      Japanese kickboxing
      American Kickboxing
      Lethwei (Burmese kickboxing) aka Bando kickboxing
      Sanshou (Chinese kickboxing)
      Savate (French kickboxing)
      Adithada (Indian kickboxing)
      Yaw-Yan (Filipino kickboxing)
      Gwon-gyokdo (Korean kickboxing)
      Pradal Serey (Cambodian)
      and on and on and on...

    • @BrunoSirilo
      @BrunoSirilo 2 роки тому +3

      @@IowaRonin I'm brazilian and i know what chute boxe means. but chute boxe never claimed to be a martial art itself like u meant in your first comment. even in the logo it says ACADEMIA CHUTE BOXE - Muai Thai and Jiu Jitsu

  • @danfoster6757
    @danfoster6757 2 роки тому +71

    Xande" Still can't pass my guard , cant submit me for shit" OG right there

  • @1fastmex
    @1fastmex 2 роки тому +8

    I give respect where it’s due. I began training from watching Brazilians in the first UFC’s. I trained over a decade under a prominent Brazilian. Of course it’s going to flourish in the US better. We have resources we have wrestling. I will always show respect to the lineage and the importations Brazilian put in my life and keep the name Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

  • @doca8792
    @doca8792 2 роки тому +6

    Hard to believe the evolution of the sport.
    In the mid 90’s, if you dared to open up a jiu Jitsu academy, good chance it would be ripped apart by the nearest Gracie school.
    And if you were lucky enough to be a student of a school, everything was behind closed doors, nobody absolutely nobody except students allowed.
    I started in a garage with half ass mats.
    There were no nearby schools.

  • @alexkosta2535
    @alexkosta2535 Рік тому +2

    There is no such a thing as an American jiu jitsu they are being taught on Brazilian jiu jitsu , everyone in the world bowed to the "Arte Suave" !

  • @xRainbowSteve
    @xRainbowSteve 2 роки тому +27

    I see American Jiu Jitsu as the inevitable fusing of American Wrestling and BJJ which will become the gold standard in the next generation of grapplers who focus mainly on sport BJJ.

    • @MrToledo81
      @MrToledo81 2 роки тому

      Excellent analogy bro! 🤙🏾

    • @scarred10
      @scarred10 2 роки тому +3

      There is no American JJ ,all bjj should be a fusion of judo wrestling and groundwork

    • @cro_magnum
      @cro_magnum 2 роки тому +4

      @@scarred10 there is no BJJ. It's simply extended newaza

    • @danielmontilla1197
      @danielmontilla1197 2 роки тому +2

      Sports are all about cycles. The butt-scooting/guard-pulling, points-oriented meta has really worn off, it was the ideal status quo for lazy asses who avoided doing stand up grappling at the gym and for the less physically gifted people, but is time to move on

    • @xRainbowSteve
      @xRainbowSteve 2 роки тому

      @@danielmontilla1197 True butt scooting and guard pulling/slower paced matches are a product of the gi (not bashing the gi I prefer gi over no gi) but with no gi's rise in popularity we are gonna see a lot of wrestling inspired stand-up since no gi and wrestling are very similar and have a ton of cross over.

  • @BlackPWD
    @BlackPWD 2 роки тому +8

    Engraçado um lutador de AJJ no campeonato da IBJJ - International Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Federation.

  • @flamengodvv5236
    @flamengodvv5236 2 роки тому +13

    Hélio Gracie está se revirando no túmulo com esse vídeo

    • @carlosvitor4671
      @carlosvitor4671 2 роки тому

      ah pelo amor de deus...os próprios Gracies expandiram a arte pro estrangeiro, se orgulham disso e lá vem o jiujiteiro mimimi reclamando...

  • @MrKinglines
    @MrKinglines 2 роки тому +10

    Not only my previous point - but our sport is being dominated by sexual harassment claims and here is FloGrappling disputing the name. Class work chaps.

  • @nao.to.nem.venddo
    @nao.to.nem.venddo 2 роки тому +9

    noone calls jiu jitsu "BJJ" in Brasil.. both terms are pretty silly

  • @danielmontilla1197
    @danielmontilla1197 2 роки тому +22

    Why should anyone care about nomenclature? It is all submission grappling in the end, and if American athletes/coaches want to emphasize wrestling and physical toughness over the guard-pulling, ass-dragging, points-based ethos preferred in other regions then god bless.

    • @danielmontilla1197
      @danielmontilla1197 2 роки тому +6

      @octanb Yes, but Judo and BJJ have different institutions, training practices, rule-sets and competitions. They are different sports with unique cultures, albeit with a shared history. It would be like saying 'Mexicans and Spaniards are the same' just because they both speak spanish.

    • @Leitefsj
      @Leitefsj 2 роки тому +7

      @octanb That is also not correct. Judo and BJJ have a common ancestor: Jujutsu (traditional japanese Jiu-jitsu). When Maeda came to Brazil, that's what he taught Carlos and Hélio Gracie. So, to stay with the language metaphors, it's more like Jujutsu is Latin, Judo is spanish and BJJ is portuguese. They might look the same, for untrained ears, but their rules, structures and flow are completely different.

    • @Nhn1460
      @Nhn1460 2 роки тому

      @@Leitefsj Maeda taught judo but had to call it jiu jitsu cause it was forbidden to teach foreigners judo

  • @juliuscampbell8606
    @juliuscampbell8606 Рік тому

    Let's go I love this !!glad to have found this channel

  • @nategalvan3907
    @nategalvan3907 2 роки тому +9

    Not enough eddie bravo, the guy who made the matt hughs vs royce comment was on point, this "movie" is a bit clippy. You guys do a pod cast, do some narration over match footage or something

  • @mikoht
    @mikoht 2 роки тому

    Great work Flo!!!!

  • @cubillo77
    @cubillo77 2 роки тому +3

    Love John Combs opinions, good perspective!

  • @shrimuyopa8117
    @shrimuyopa8117 2 роки тому +8

    Are the Brazilians saying that the Japanese never grappled? Or the Romans and Greeks? Or a vast host of humanity hasn't grappled and these techniques that have been around for thousands of years?
    What we do is called grappling and it is human. It doesn't belong to any nationality. And while it would be impossible to pin-point who came up with what moves first it really doesn't matter. We only care about who does it the best right now!

  • @garysmith2983
    @garysmith2983 2 роки тому +11

    Until a distinct set of new techniques are developed in the US, to be a point of difference, it should only be BJJ. I did Japanese JJ for 5 years and recently started BJJ. JJJ is very different and has some cross overs into Aikido. There is some ground work in JJJ, but the aim is to stay on your feet where possible, due to the obvious disadvantage of being on the floor on a battlefield. A Samurai technique was to try to break your little fingers, because you can’t use a sword, grab or punch. As far as I know these techniques are banned in BJJ. My point is there is a big enough difference between BJJ and JJJ to justify a different name.

    • @srali7609
      @srali7609 2 роки тому

      Or call it traditional judo

  • @burry218
    @burry218 2 роки тому +5

    They see 3 comments and Flo make a while documentary on it... That's what I subscribe for!

  • @IowaRonin
    @IowaRonin 2 роки тому +3

    Do y'all not understand that Brazilians live in America too?
    Nobody is calling it USJJ. We'd call it Iowan Jiu-Jitsu or Texan Jiu-Jitsu if we wanted to make it more specific.
    Then again, each school/gym gives it their own name.
    Forget preserving Japanese or Brazilian tradition and culture in the USA. We make things uniquely our own.

    • @tiocroc4814
      @tiocroc4814 2 роки тому +2

      the thing is: you guys didn't do anything unique. jiu jitsu there is the same jiu jitsu from any country in the world.

    • @IowaRonin
      @IowaRonin 2 роки тому

      @@tiocroc4814
      Takedowns and sweeps. American Freestyle wrestlers definitely bring a unique look to the sport.
      Keenan's lapel shit - worm guard
      10th planet - rubber guard
      I could add more, but why?
      You might just be in denial.

    • @tiocroc4814
      @tiocroc4814 2 роки тому +1

      @@IowaRonin all of that was already in jiu jitsu and judo. Just watch old footage of jiu jotsu you’ll find all of thise things. And europeans also added wrestling element to jiu jitsu, should we also create european jiu jitsu?? Lol

    • @IowaRonin
      @IowaRonin 2 роки тому

      @@tiocroc4814
      Create? No need. It's already a thing. The judo men who traveled to Europe and North America in the early 1900s picked up tons of new stuff before it even made it to Brazil. European and Amercan Jujutsu pre-exist BrazilianJJ.

    • @tiocroc4814
      @tiocroc4814 2 роки тому +1

      @@IowaRonin you clearly dont know what jiu jitsu is then

  • @cro_magnum
    @cro_magnum 2 роки тому +4

    Lmao the Brazilians are furiously coping in the comments.

  • @eduardomaia8603
    @eduardomaia8603 2 роки тому +4

    Do you know how they call Brazilian Jiu-jitsu in Brasil? Jiu-jitsu. The name doesn't matter.

    • @IowaRonin
      @IowaRonin 2 роки тому

      Jogo Jiu-Jitsu (IBJJF)
      versus
      Defesa Jiu-Jitsu

  • @Dunkstaaa
    @Dunkstaaa 2 роки тому

    Love this content!

  • @SKgyebaek
    @SKgyebaek 2 роки тому +8

    If americans utilise their heavy wrestling culture to make butt-scooting/guard pulling obselete, then im all for american jiujitsu.

    • @danielmontilla1197
      @danielmontilla1197 2 роки тому +4

      Exactly! We all know how influential American athletes and coaches are in the international scene, if those guys manage to impose a more combat effective, takedown-submission oriented style then "AJJ" is more than welcome

  • @Liefvikerson
    @Liefvikerson 2 роки тому +3

    Robert All that Studying you did for your book and to come out and say Americans having created or added anything to jiu-jitsu is nonsense. Btw my patriotism shows up 💯 in every action I do.

  • @JoeBarrow021104
    @JoeBarrow021104 2 роки тому +2

    Best quotes I hear from this is that at the end of the day it's just Jiu-Jitsu.

  • @DanPeal1
    @DanPeal1 2 роки тому +3

    The short answer can be found at 20:35 onwards

  • @levi5514
    @levi5514 2 роки тому +10

    It’s evolving in America. The same way JJJ evolved in Brazil and became BJJ. What’s the controversy? This happens with every martial art/combat style. Different cultures add different things and it changes

    • @TJ-vl1ff
      @TJ-vl1ff 2 роки тому +1

      Exactly, isnt 10th planet a very good example of AJJ? JJ continues to evolve, it didn't somehow stop with the Brazilians. America is vast becoming the global hub for JJ and Brazil is declining.

    • @azido2
      @azido2 2 роки тому +3

      Bjj is very different fromm jj ...."ajj" is the same as bjj

    • @rabbitazteca23
      @rabbitazteca23 2 роки тому +1

      @@azido2 this. AJJ and BJJ are "indirectly" related. BJJ did not spawn from JJJ, rather, both were created by modifying another martial arts called "Kodokan Judo". Also AJJ is more suitable for street-fights since many of its teachings including chokeholds are not allowed in the ring. BJJ is made for the ring and as a sport. AJJ is just the bootleg version of BJJ HAAAHAAHAHAHA.

  • @kmerc609
    @kmerc609 2 роки тому +7

    Double Karate chops > Jiujitsu

  • @chetfreeland1920
    @chetfreeland1920 2 роки тому

    I rewatched that pass Orlando hit like 5 times, so nice

  • @joehendershott2852
    @joehendershott2852 2 роки тому +7

    A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet...

  • @davidevans4355
    @davidevans4355 Рік тому

    Awesome doc

  • @HelcioBrasileiro
    @HelcioBrasileiro 2 роки тому +3

    Why is Flograppling so concerned about this fake dilema?

  • @rabbitazteca23
    @rabbitazteca23 2 роки тому +2

    What has American contributed to Jiu-Jitsu that BJJ does not utilize?
    Can someone kindly list them? Because I tried searching and I got generic things like "wrestling."
    To be honest, i don't mind American JJ, BUT are the contributions to the art significant enough? I don't think so.

  • @johnrambo4259
    @johnrambo4259 2 роки тому +14

    Can we all give massive respect to the japanese for inventing these moves especially the samari where alot of these move originated

    • @rabbitazteca23
      @rabbitazteca23 2 роки тому

      yeah Martial Arts (unlike other fighting styles in Europe maybe?) did not just see Martial Arts as something for self-defense or to kill or whatever. It was a way of life that and that's why it was called an Art. Many of the stances and forms have meaning.

    • @CarlosAlbertoBrasil
      @CarlosAlbertoBrasil Рік тому

      A lot of those moves existed in another places, and much more they are older.

  • @shrimuyopa8117
    @shrimuyopa8117 2 роки тому +38

    "They still can't pass my guard, they can't submit me for shit..."
    -Xande
    Okay lets see you against Gordon Ryan please.

    • @MirNovichok
      @MirNovichok 2 роки тому +5

      Let's see Gordon against Roger Gracie, please?

    • @NotKimiRaikkonen
      @NotKimiRaikkonen 2 роки тому +10

      @@MirNovichok Roger's ten years behind Gordon. He dominated a decade ago, too much has changed.

    • @juliorivera8667
      @juliorivera8667 2 роки тому +14

      That match happened at ADCC and Gordon squeaked by with a ref decision because he could not pass his guard or submit him

    • @DanielDRSA
      @DanielDRSA 2 роки тому +3

      Preguiça owns...

    • @shrimuyopa8117
      @shrimuyopa8117 2 роки тому +8

      @@juliorivera8667 That was four years ago. Gordon's game is drastically different, while Xande is practically identical.

  • @ITSGLENN83
    @ITSGLENN83 2 роки тому +4

    @14:20 I remember Gracie trying to credit Hugh's win to GJJ and Matt's reply was "bologna, that was pure Amdrican Wrestling that got the job done" I thought matt was being disrespectful at the time but now I think otherwise.

  • @smokeclouds8
    @smokeclouds8 2 роки тому +7

    Do Brazilians steal credit from the Japanese?

    • @lacrivellari
      @lacrivellari 2 роки тому +2

      No, the Gracie Family improved it (A LOT!) and created the style we know today.

    • @BGvideo
      @BGvideo 2 роки тому +8

      ​@@lacrivellari really? name one thing that wasn't part of Ju-Jitsu (Kodokan and Kosen) :)
      And, by the way, if you didn't know Ju-jitsu became Ju-do by changing just one letter in the name (gentle art became gentle way). Basically remarketing, everything else remained the same )

    • @cro_magnum
      @cro_magnum 2 роки тому

      Yeah they do

    • @lacrivellari
      @lacrivellari 2 роки тому +1

      @@BGvideo gotta see more movies about the creation of BJJ bro. But I do respect your opinion

    • @BGvideo
      @BGvideo 2 роки тому

      @@lacrivellari no problem brother! You might like some of the clips Chadi makes. Search him here on YT

  • @M2M774
    @M2M774 Рік тому +1

    The American side is responsible for the huge rise in the sport's popularity and worldwide appeal - be thankful.
    If we wait for the Brazilians to lead the way into the future, the scope and potential for growth is lost while they squabble over "mucho macho" nonsense.

  • @jrock2019
    @jrock2019 2 роки тому +1

    “Submission grappling” there you’re done

  • @mattf9076
    @mattf9076 2 роки тому

    I can't wait for the sequel

  • @CKamera23
    @CKamera23 2 роки тому +4

    I practice Peruvian Jiu-Jitsu, so there!

  • @LopoBeater
    @LopoBeater 2 роки тому +2

    Do you think it has anything to do with the wrestling background,culture, and unwillingness to wear a gi and all the sleeve, pants,and collar grabs?

  • @johnrambo4259
    @johnrambo4259 2 роки тому +1

    The hypocrocy of bjj people to point out that Americans are taking credit for these old Japanese techniques that some date back nearly a thousand years roughly. When in fact the Brazilians act like they invented any moves at all when they didn't. All they did was practice newaza judo moves more and mainly focus on them when judo focused on nagewaza (stand up grappling ie mainly throws, trips,sweeps, single leg takedowns, double legs, and body takedowns)!! The Brazilians have way to much pride in moves they didn't even create!!

  • @josesoto3594
    @josesoto3594 2 роки тому +15

    pretty bold to call this a movie lol

  • @lucasazevedo9974
    @lucasazevedo9974 2 роки тому +1

    The only thing i think is really stupid is when people say it should be american jiu jitsu bc the industry and the events are in USA and not in Brazil. I mean, this is a economic discussion, not a sport discussion. 1 real (brazilian money) is about 5 dollars today, things are way cheaper in USA.

  • @mindhunter09
    @mindhunter09 13 днів тому +1

    Ironically, thats exactly what the brazilians did with Judo.

  • @guedesricsfca
    @guedesricsfca 2 роки тому +2

    American Jiu jitsu is a BS name like Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. The name is Jiu Jitsu and all this confusion was created in America. If you go to Brasil they call Jiu jitsu there they don’t call Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

  • @antwaunbroughton9941
    @antwaunbroughton9941 2 роки тому +3

    Jiu jitsu is just jiu jitsu!! Just let it be what it is in appreciate the art

  • @ColinMcRaeVIT
    @ColinMcRaeVIT 2 роки тому +8

    The comment made at 6:10 is exactly what everyone needs to follow. Petty divisiveness is common, and expected, and pretty much the entire history of every martial art and other human endeavour eventually succumbs to this. We will start to evolve as a species when more than 5% of the human population realizes this and seeks to avoid it happening.
    Unfortunately short sighted goals will inevitably lead to the same pattern as has happened with previous initiatives. Additionally, chasing money prevents most of us from making good long-term decisions about the care of something we are involved with, in this case jiujitsu, so as the sport gets more money-oriented this will likely obscure the situation further.
    As soon as you begin to hear the “us versus them“ theme that is the beginning of the inevitable demise of the purity of something.
    Now is the critical time for the leaders of the jiujitsu world to come together and get rid of this divisiveness. See it for the problem it is, and fix it. Probably won't happen, as is the reason we have umpteen number of associations, leagues, organizations and federations.
    But let's just call it jiu jitsu and take all the country stuff out.
    It’s no longer Brazilian. Thank you kindly and greatly to those that did innovate and bring it to the world, but there comes a point of necessary detachment, and we're at that stage now.
    I think it is important to recognize roots, and to honour them. A couple of Brazilian families started all this (well, one, but you know..then it branched). Rickson's book "Breath" gives a bit of a blurb on why it's no longer called Gracie JJ. The priority here is for humanity to come together and make progress, together. Anything short of that is a failing on the part of whoever decides to be divisive. No exceptions. Failure.

  • @HerenBass
    @HerenBass 2 роки тому +4

    From Europe this looks petty and silly. There are just techniques and rule sets. Call it whatever you want, drop the goddamn phone and go choke someone or twist some joints.

  • @brionpriest6735
    @brionpriest6735 10 місяців тому

    Okay okay what made Gracie Jujitsu unique was the teaching methods, the Gracie's are the best teachers

  • @MadMann5150
    @MadMann5150 2 роки тому +4

    This reminds me of the struggles Bruce Lee had with bringing Kung Fu to America.

  • @alexanderchiali
    @alexanderchiali 2 роки тому +1

    I teach mexican kung fu...african jujitsu...and Japanese tae kwon do...along w a mixture of Jamaican Stick Fighting from the phillipines

  • @antufcti
    @antufcti 2 роки тому +9

    As an American I don’t care American Brazilian what you call it, but it’s hilarious seeing everyone get mad over American Jiu jitsu so I respect it

  • @carlitos9764
    @carlitos9764 5 місяців тому

    I'll write down here as Brazilians that I'm, we need more challenges and other types of Jiu-Jitsu will help to demonstrate to the world that Jiu-Jitsu has a lot of diversification.

  • @Canuck-yj3ms
    @Canuck-yj3ms Місяць тому

    Keenan is gonna start calling them ‘American fries’ and ‘american waffles’ and ‘american kissing’ because not only french and belgian people do these things

  • @tiocroc4814
    @tiocroc4814 2 роки тому +2

    What did the Americans do so new to justify the creation of a new martial art?...

  • @anthonyflores8156
    @anthonyflores8156 2 роки тому +2

    To me its always jiujitsu because it's universal but to respect the origins of the art I'll always call it Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu no hate just the way I feel

  • @RandRandolph
    @RandRandolph 5 місяців тому

    Gotta love Eddie. Legit OG of the sport.

  • @kenwu7
    @kenwu7 2 роки тому +1

    Uploaded again?

  • @911firstman
    @911firstman 2 роки тому

    i like how jeff glover puts it out. Mixed Grappling Arts.

  • @allseeingry2487
    @allseeingry2487 2 роки тому +4

    Japanese created it, Brazil adapted it and others called it Brazilian as the noticed the evolution.
    Americans are simple competing in BJJ
    end of. It’s a bit like Americans say they speak American, when we all know they speak English. You can’t rebrand yourself. It comes from the outside looking in that’s how works.

  • @rodrigomichalzechen
    @rodrigomichalzechen 2 роки тому +1

    Funny in Brazil nobody calls Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, only calls Jiu Jitsu

  • @davidvictor1464
    @davidvictor1464 2 роки тому +1

    Yawara, Ju Jutsu of different traditions (Ryu), Kano Ju Jutsu, Judo, Gracie Jiu Jitsu, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, 10th Planet American Jiu Jitsu, all different all good.

  • @seththebatslayer2691
    @seththebatslayer2691 Рік тому +1

    Brazilians are salty and want Americans to remember the history... yet they never want to give credit to Japanese Jiujitsu and JUDO. smh

  • @albinveselka258
    @albinveselka258 2 роки тому

    Well said Keeenan

  • @kalis8076
    @kalis8076 2 роки тому

    If American Jiu Jitsu was even a thing the biggest contributor would be a kiwi anyways lol

  • @mattdeschamps4025
    @mattdeschamps4025 2 роки тому +1

    Canadian Jiu Jitsu we wear plad jackets

  • @cordy3418
    @cordy3418 2 роки тому +2

    We either attach every nationality to jiu jitsu based on where you’re from. Or it’s just fucking jiu jitsu there should be no middle ground.

  • @JoaoPedro-ic8kv
    @JoaoPedro-ic8kv 2 роки тому +8

    American Jiu-Jitsu 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @smokeclouds8
      @smokeclouds8 2 роки тому +1

      Do Brazilians steal credit from the Japanese?

    • @cro_magnum
      @cro_magnum 2 роки тому +2

      @@smokeclouds8 they do, all the time

    • @JoaoPedro-ic8kv
      @JoaoPedro-ic8kv 2 роки тому +1

      Vocês americanos são uma piada 😂😂 ninguém aqui no Brasil 🇧🇷 diz assim “ EU FAÇO BJJ 😂😂😂😂 “ Nos simplesmente dizemos , Faço Jiu-Jitsu . Sem rotular nada a ninguém

  • @ninja11zoo
    @ninja11zoo 7 місяців тому

    Podem colocar o nome que quiserem. Eles podem praticar, treinar,lutar, ganhar campeonato. Mas o jiu jitsu pra eles a maioria dos americanos é dinheiro, negócios. O jiu-jitsu brasileiro é uma filosofia de vida, nossos cumprimentos, nosso estilo de vida, nossa confraternização pós treino, amizades, união,nosso vocabulário,os apelidos ganhos, de certa forma veio até da capoeira. Eles americanos estão lá pra treinar, levar a sério. Mas não se misturam. Depois é branco com branco, negros com negros, hispânicos com hispânicos. Nos estamos juntos e misturados, alegria com disciplina e respeito. Igual o futebol,o surf, cada esporte com sua tribo e costumes.Temos talento e uma filosofia,um modo de vida. Essa cultura, é que precisam ter. E isso que nos fazem evoluir, um ajudando o outro, não importa raça, rico,pobre, mulheres ou homens, idosos,idade. A primeira geração de American jiu-jitsu tem a cultura brasileira. Qdo tiver só americanos, se distanciam da nossa essência. Jiu-jitsu brasileiro têm nossa cultura de vida. A evolução tá nisso. Os caras não gostam nem de se abraçar antes e depois dos treinos. E nos treinos tão todos embolados no chão.Mas quanto mais praticamentes de jiu-jitsu pelo mundo melhor. Se começaram com nosso jiu-jitsu, pelo menos devem se sentir parte desse tipo de cultura, estilo de vida e ter união e respeito. Pra mim treina, treinou jiu-jitsu, não importa nacionalidade, já temos muito em comum. Oss

  • @chrisplaymusic
    @chrisplaymusic Рік тому

    I get it. It's for marketing for the most part. It's the same thing with karate and kickboxing. There's American Karate and American Kickboxing, though we know BOTH never originated from USA. American learn it, and they want to teach it in their own way. That's fine so call it whatever you want. 😉

  • @factsdc3719
    @factsdc3719 2 роки тому

    🤔 Quick trivia. Which American Team was first American Team to bring home gold???

  • @Bagasloyd
    @Bagasloyd 2 роки тому +2

    American Jiu Jtsu ????? NUNCA SERÃO !!! Jamais !!!!

  • @michielhiemstra7261
    @michielhiemstra7261 Рік тому

    As far as I know, these martial arts originates from china, Japanese travelers brought martial arts to japan. A Japanese named Maeda came to the U.S. en then to brazil, teaching his art to Brazilians, who were immigrants from Scotland. Then it came to the U.S. again and around the world.