Stop suggesting I be green. Hertz is getting rid of 20000 electric vehicles. You were closer to the mark with all the blackouts in California. Stop blowing environmental crap up my ass.
I'd like to see it reviewed in real-world usage (aka, demonstrate how long it can power how much of an average house with actual appliances, with a reasonable solar panel array for recharging it). Right now, even with "coupons", I'm firmly "on the fence" about this unit. Of course if anybody wants to send me one for free to do such a review with I'd be most happy to oblige! LOL! Thanks.
@@michaelshrader5139 as close as possible you have to go to the first comment in this thread. The guy is pretty good. Other ones would be DIY SOLAR POWER WITH WILL PROWSE ... or ... Ben, from MINUTEMAN PREP, POWERED PORTABLE SOLAR. I haven't seen either one do a test on this unit but if you go to Ben, look up his APOLLO review. Will does a very good test of the Apollo, using it to hoist a Tesla on a car lift. Will approaches things from a tear down technical perspective. Ben does it from the point of view of a contractor who installs this stuff. I suspect they will get to it. I have enough off grid power for now, I suspect that when all of these shake out, the best one(S) will be left standing, having to do with technical, capacity, customer service, reliability, durability, etc. And the prices will come down as things shake out.
So a full stack is 30 kWh for $19000, 30% tax credit puts it around 13k. So around $443/kWh. It's getting there but still going to be a tough sell for anyone in the US that would need a minimum of two full stacks if they have to run their AC daily. I do think this approaches viability around $250/kWh, for Americans at least. Hopefully as the tech continues to mature and battery pack prices keep falling we'll see them be able to cut the price of these batteries in half. Until then, its still just too expensive. If I had the money to go full solar and battery, EG4 is still the most likely setup I would choose. Their battery modules are already half the price of Ecoflow, just without some of the fancy software.
I’m a nerd that loves to build my own systems, but as I add on to my grid-tied solar setup, I can also see the beauty in this as the ultimate Swiss Army knife for home energy. What it lacks in affordability, it makes up for in feature set. For now, my DPU will primarily serve as a backup power source for my home augmented by a small Honda EU2200 120V generator and some spare solar panels. This is still on-par with buying a larger home generator, and those gas generators won’t give me back the 30% tax credit. In time, I will likely build out an EG4 system for home and the DPU will move to my off-grid cabin.
I have it and I have been testing its for about a month on and off. I been keeping it on fora few hours a day an charging at night. First bill has been cheaper
The price point is still too high even for the features it offers. The smart panel 2 is limited to a 100 amps 12 breaker circuit while a hybrid inverter like EG4 or Solark can access all circuits.
For most people 100A capacity is more than enough. Especially if you only have one or two, you’re not going to be running a lot of things in order to conserve power.
I would like one to power my mobile detailing business to replace a gas generator. The cost of them is too much for now though and charging it would be an inconvenience for me having to park somewhere I can run a cord to the van
While I like my Delta 2, it has AC issues with reversed polarity AC plugs and if it is connected to AC charging the AC plugs show 50v. The reversed polarity is only an issue for devices that much have specific polarity such as gas furnace with 92% efficiency. The furnace will not start up with wrong polarity and you get a system board error of 26. so when I needed my delta 2 to power my furnace this weekend I had to reverse the furnace wiring, then when the power came back I had to switch it back. No simple plug option that I can figure out yet. My fear is the Delta Pro Ultra could have similar issues, the Delta Pros had similar issues when it first launched.
Wow that’s interesting and unfortunate. I’m sorry you dealt with that. I used my DP after a power outage but it was during the summer and i didn’t need heating. Really just used it for lighting and internet.
Enjoyed this video. The price point concerns me for what it can actually do when a power outage occurs. Some questions I have though is: 1. If 7200W is all it can handle, why are they claiming this to be a whole home generator? If I have a two story home, wouldn’t I need a traditional standby generator like Generac that can handle 26kW to maintain power for the whole house during a power outage/storm? 2. What’s the benefit of adding a second battery as part of the DPU? Will it still only handle 7200W but just stay on for a longer period of time (than a single battery)? 3. If I wanted to power entire downstairs of a two story house (including furnace, AC), how many of these DPU would I need to buy? Noise, taking up yard space and maintenance costs with traditional Generac generators are cons for sure but would this DPU really be better investment long term? DPU seems more expensive and handles less power requirements in a house. Appreciate your thoughts/feedback on this and keep up the good work.
Thank you for the compliment! 1. I'm not clear why they label it as a whole home generator, because by definition it is not a generator rather than storage for power. The generation takes place elsewhere. 2. If you have a larger house you can install more batteries that do increase your max output as you combine batteries but there are still limits. Second battery advantage is more capacity and power. 3. if your home is large enough, or if you have enough high demand circuits in your home, you would want more than two batteries, especially if you want to cool or heat with these batteries as a source. Heating and cooling with electricity use a lot of power.
If you get the smart home panel and add batteries you should be able to handle your home during outages. I have a smart panel 2 it’s quiet and switch’s over so fast you don’t notice it. It’s expensive but I hope it will be worth it. So far it seem like it will be.
I would like to use this to power my RV, but it will have to go in the back of my truck. I have a hard tonneau cover with limits my vertical space. I noticed that batteries are stacked with a cable connecting them. If I purchased the ultra, I cant put but one battery below the inverter. I would like three batteries. Is there a cable that will connect the batteries if put side by side?
Ecoflow has some units that could be interesting for camping, but the ultra at 200 pounds is not it (heavier if upgraded). Potential use for an RV, maybe, but otherwise, keep it at home.
This was a good overview. Please leave out the cheap shot to OJ Simpson or anyone else who has nothing to do with power stations. Your credibility took a hit. I enjoy power station reviews but never seen any who willfully takes a stupid crack at another person. Your like school in the summer; no class. It was not funny.
I appreciate the feedback, however the fact of the matter is engagement matters and this topic can be rather dry. A little humor livens things a bit in my opinion, and i happen to enjoy humor that pushes the envelope.
2:20 you are clearly reading a script because you're suggesting that I use an EV to charge something that I would use to otherwise CHARGE an EV when the grid is up. So I'm going to drive my EV somewhere, pay to have a ridiculous toy charged, and then come home and charge my house? Are you serious? I have a 100,000 mi on used vegetable oil as a vehicle. Drove from North Carolina to Iowa and back. Go back to school.
@@dronequote reading from a script makes You a goddamn actor. You seem to have f***** up your lines. It doesn't make you a technical type. Leaves no credibility to the fact that you would ever use these in your home? DIY SOLAR POWER WITH WILL PROWSE! MINUTEMAN PREP!
No, I don't think it's worth it because it uses, low cost, shorter lived, high frequency inverter technology that offers a lower surge capacity than superior low frequency, transformer based inverter tech.
@@dronequote it's a house, houses don't care too much about weight, especially when installed on the ground. Less expensive and under 7 foot tall in 2 foot by 2 foot area than can be modular is what homeowners need. Just like an outdoor HVAC condenser, this isn't rocket science.
No, it's not worth it. It use low cost high frequency, transformerless inverter tech that provides no galvanic isolation for safety, a poorer surge capacity, and a shorter life expectancy than higher performance, low frequency, transformer based inverters. Because it offers no galvanic isolation, it is not a safe option for charging an EV.
How do you view the Delta Pro Ultra? Is it a wise investment, or does the initial cost seem too steep?
Stop suggesting I be green. Hertz is getting rid of 20000 electric vehicles. You were closer to the mark with all the blackouts in California. Stop blowing environmental crap up my ass.
I'd like to see it reviewed in real-world usage (aka, demonstrate how long it can power how much of an average house with actual appliances, with a reasonable solar panel array for recharging it). Right now, even with "coupons", I'm firmly "on the fence" about this unit. Of course if anybody wants to send me one for free to do such a review with I'd be most happy to oblige! LOL! Thanks.
@@michaelshrader5139 as close as possible you have to go to the first comment in this thread. The guy is pretty good. Other ones would be DIY SOLAR POWER WITH WILL PROWSE ... or ... Ben, from MINUTEMAN PREP, POWERED PORTABLE SOLAR.
I haven't seen either one do a test on this unit but if you go to Ben, look up his APOLLO review.
Will does a very good test of the Apollo, using it to hoist a Tesla on a car lift.
Will approaches things from a tear down technical perspective.
Ben does it from the point of view of a contractor who installs this stuff.
I suspect they will get to it.
I have enough off grid power for now, I suspect that when all of these shake out, the best one(S) will be left standing, having to do with technical, capacity, customer service, reliability, durability, etc.
And the prices will come down as things shake out.
So a full stack is 30 kWh for $19000, 30% tax credit puts it around 13k. So around $443/kWh. It's getting there but still going to be a tough sell for anyone in the US that would need a minimum of two full stacks if they have to run their AC daily. I do think this approaches viability around $250/kWh, for Americans at least. Hopefully as the tech continues to mature and battery pack prices keep falling we'll see them be able to cut the price of these batteries in half. Until then, its still just too expensive. If I had the money to go full solar and battery, EG4 is still the most likely setup I would choose. Their battery modules are already half the price of Ecoflow, just without some of the fancy software.
I’m a nerd that loves to build my own systems, but as I add on to my grid-tied solar setup, I can also see the beauty in this as the ultimate Swiss Army knife for home energy. What it lacks in affordability, it makes up for in feature set.
For now, my DPU will primarily serve as a backup power source for my home augmented by a small Honda EU2200 120V generator and some spare solar panels. This is still on-par with buying a larger home generator, and those gas generators won’t give me back the 30% tax credit.
In time, I will likely build out an EG4 system for home and the DPU will move to my off-grid cabin.
Very good overview of the product. I would not call it a review until we see it be actually tested
That’s a good point thanks for bringing it to our attention.
I have it and I have been testing its for about a month on and off. I been keeping it on fora few hours a day an charging at night. First bill has been cheaper
Comparing to a Bluetti EP900 would be helpful.
Duly noted!
EP800 would be a Better compare. For DPU can't feed the Grid.@@dronequote
The price point is still too high even for the features it offers. The smart panel 2 is limited to a 100 amps 12 breaker circuit while a hybrid inverter like EG4 or Solark can access all circuits.
For most people 100A capacity is more than enough. Especially if you only have one or two, you’re not going to be running a lot of things in order to conserve power.
I would like one to power my mobile detailing business to replace a gas generator. The cost of them is too much for now though and charging it would be an inconvenience for me having to park somewhere I can run a cord to the van
While I like my Delta 2, it has AC issues with reversed polarity AC plugs and if it is connected to AC charging the AC plugs show 50v. The reversed polarity is only an issue for devices that much have specific polarity such as gas furnace with 92% efficiency. The furnace will not start up with wrong polarity and you get a system board error of 26. so when I needed my delta 2 to power my furnace this weekend I had to reverse the furnace wiring, then when the power came back I had to switch it back. No simple plug option that I can figure out yet. My fear is the Delta Pro Ultra could have similar issues, the Delta Pros had similar issues when it first launched.
Wow that’s interesting and unfortunate. I’m sorry you dealt with that. I used my DP after a power outage but it was during the summer and i didn’t need heating. Really just used it for lighting and internet.
Does anyone know if the new smart home panel would work with any other inverter/battery combo?
Enjoyed this video.
The price point concerns me for what it can actually do when a power outage occurs.
Some questions I have though is:
1. If 7200W is all it can handle, why are they claiming this to be a whole home generator? If I have a two story home, wouldn’t I need a traditional standby generator like Generac that can handle 26kW to maintain power for the whole house during a power outage/storm?
2. What’s the benefit of adding a second battery as part of the DPU? Will it still only handle 7200W but just stay on for a longer period of time (than a single battery)?
3. If I wanted to power entire downstairs of a two story house (including furnace, AC), how many of these DPU would I need to buy?
Noise, taking up yard space and maintenance costs with traditional Generac generators are cons for sure but would this DPU really be better investment long term? DPU seems more expensive and handles less power requirements in a house.
Appreciate your thoughts/feedback on this and keep up the good work.
Thank you for the compliment!
1. I'm not clear why they label it as a whole home generator, because by definition it is not a generator rather than storage for power. The generation takes place elsewhere.
2. If you have a larger house you can install more batteries that do increase your max output as you combine batteries but there are still limits. Second battery advantage is more capacity and power.
3. if your home is large enough, or if you have enough high demand circuits in your home, you would want more than two batteries, especially if you want to cool or heat with these batteries as a source. Heating and cooling with electricity use a lot of power.
If you get the smart home panel and add batteries you should be able to handle your home during outages. I have a smart panel 2 it’s quiet and switch’s over so fast you don’t notice it.
It’s expensive but I hope it will be worth it. So far it seem like it will be.
I would like to use this to power my RV, but it will have to go in the back of my truck. I have a hard tonneau cover with limits my vertical space. I noticed that batteries are stacked with a cable connecting them. If I purchased the ultra, I cant put but one battery below the inverter. I would like three batteries. Is there a cable that will connect the batteries if put side by side?
Yes there is a cable for that..
Heard your saying that its not recommended to charge EV with it , wondering why its that so?
Because you get very little mileage and use up the whole battery
Ecoflow has some units that could be interesting for camping, but the ultra at 200 pounds is not it (heavier if upgraded). Potential use for an RV, maybe, but otherwise, keep it at home.
Absolutley! The DPU is portable only in name.
This was a good overview. Please leave out the cheap shot to OJ Simpson or anyone else who has nothing to do with power stations. Your credibility took a hit. I enjoy power station reviews but never seen any who willfully takes a stupid crack at another person. Your like school in the summer; no class. It was not funny.
I appreciate the feedback, however the fact of the matter is engagement matters and this topic can be rather dry. A little humor livens things a bit in my opinion, and i happen to enjoy humor that pushes the envelope.
What happens to this unit if we have a EMP attack?
The same thing that happens to all your electronic devices, at which point not having power will be the least of your worries.
@dronequote well I'll keep mine in a metal container until it's needed.
Use lead sheets
2:20 you are clearly reading a script because you're suggesting that I use an EV to charge something that I would use to otherwise CHARGE an EV when the grid is up.
So I'm going to drive my EV somewhere, pay to have a ridiculous toy charged, and then come home and charge my house? Are you serious?
I have a 100,000 mi on used vegetable oil as a vehicle. Drove from North Carolina to Iowa and back. Go back to school.
Of course I’m reading from a script. I think what i meant to say was charge from an EV charger.
@@dronequote reading from a script makes You a goddamn actor. You seem to have f***** up your lines. It doesn't make you a technical type. Leaves no credibility to the fact that you would ever use these in your home?
DIY SOLAR POWER WITH WILL PROWSE!
MINUTEMAN PREP!
Several days? Lol nope 😂, not even close unless you're only charging your phone and things like that.
No, I don't think it's worth it because it uses, low cost, shorter lived, high frequency inverter technology that offers a lower surge capacity than superior low frequency, transformer based inverter tech.
Cars have 100+ kwh batteries. For a home we should easily have heavier, cheaper, larger batteries with twice the capacity.
I don’t think it would be easy to install such a heavy battery. You’re talking about a lot of weight.
@@dronequote it's a house, houses don't care too much about weight, especially when installed on the ground. Less expensive and under 7 foot tall in 2 foot by 2 foot area than can be modular is what homeowners need. Just like an outdoor HVAC condenser, this isn't rocket science.
No, it's not worth it. It use low cost high frequency, transformerless inverter tech that provides no galvanic isolation for safety, a poorer surge capacity, and a shorter life expectancy than higher performance, low frequency, transformer based inverters. Because it offers no galvanic isolation, it is not a safe option for charging an EV.
This is great input!
subvertisement. wonder how often this guy gets outside with his camo tie and his leather strap suspenders?
I’m allergic to outside. Makes me break out in regret.