The Truth about the 1996 Mount Everest Disaster: Part 3
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I didn't know Beck stood in the same place for so many hours, waiting for someone who never came for him. It's kind of a miracle he survived.
0:10 Beck's survival is beyond believable! That he was abandoned numerous times for dead is one surefire cure for depression, I mean how can it get more depressing than the that😮😮😮😮. His line yelling out from his tent ' what's a guy got to do to get some attention around here' takes on a whole new meaning. 🎉😂
You think a moment in time???😂😅😊❤
Kind of miracle!?? It’s a damn miracle! ❤❤
Beck's near death experience was the result of his own poor decisions although he likes to blame others
It’s the most remarkable story ever.
The more Everest stories I hear, the more it seems like no one "conquers" the mountain... but merely manages to escape it. It's like taking on the open ocean in a rowboat. Maddness. I would love to sit around a campfire listening to you tell stories!
In my opinion, which is completely just my opinion, it is an absolute fools errand to risk your life climbing these mountains. Life is dangerous enough and there is nothing gained except the experience.
good comparison, though it still leaves out that anybody climbing up Mount Everest with the help of Sherpas endangers _them_ , too.
And that "ah well but they are lucky to have the income" makes me want to flat-out punch somebody; you can hire Sherpas to just climb in the Himalayas without picking the most dangerous selfie-spot available as your destination.
Yes, there's this Russian poem: "Three 'wise' men in a bucket, went out to sea during a storm. If the old bucket had been stronger, my tale would've been a tad bit longer."
@@BrandonToy depends on your view on life. There are plenty of dangerous pursuits that have a much higher chance of getting you killed than Everest. Ultimately, it's about the challenge for most people that climb it. You can just sit on your ass and do nothing remarkable and still get killed in a car accident or get cancer. At the end of the day, we all die.
When everyone gets hypoxic, it’s hard to expect anyone to act 100% correctly, but appointed leaders who do not follow their own rules have to be considered the most blameworthy.
Thank you!
Rob and Scott were paid a considerable amount to guide clients up and back safely. They threw their turn-around times out the window. Sad.
Not sure anyone should trust any of them as far as they could throw them.
@@user-nv2iu4jy5y rob and scott are definitely the villains of the piece. i’m shocked at how many people honoured them after this mess
I'm critical of mountaineering but I enjoyed this series a lot. I feel like it was very fair in its treatment of the people involved and gave each one an opportunity to present their side of the story. Too many narratives just take Krakauer's account as gospel, so it's refreshing to see one that challenges it.
Challenges it? Have you read the book? His account is solid and fair. This video is largely consistent with it. It has the benefit of a lot more detail becoming known since Krakauer wrote his book.
Everyone had a first name except for Jonathan krakauer.
@@dmbeaster I think you need to delve deeper. Krakauer made a lot of stuff up. He was far from solid and fair!
@@wendyhumphreys116 Where within the book was Krakauer unfair? Textual examples would be appreciated. If I recall correctly, his only problem was misidentifying Andy Harris as having made it back to camp when he had not - which was discovered the day after.
@@wendyhumphreys116100% , you can tell when krakauer is lying , his lips are moving. I am biased admittedly, anyone that speaks ill of the dead is despicable . Anatoli was a pure climbing machine , krakauer had no buisiness gobbing off about his non use of oxygen and trying to lay blame in him , the blame lies soley with the two expedition leaders who also paid dearly for their mistakes bought out of greed and egos .
As a hiker, it's annoying when people say "we're halfway" because halfway is where you turn around lol. need to have enough to get there AND back.
LMAO!!!!
Yeah, the summit is halfway.
I did a local hike in the Yorkshire Dales a few weeks ago. The weather was grim, but nothing too bad. Got to a section which required some scrambling over wet rocks, and realised I could get up, but I'd also have to get down, and decided to turn back.
I'd much rather go back another day with company and better weather than lie in a ditch with a twisted ankle for hours. Getting down is the risk for sure!
Yep, and that explains why most people die on the way down:
Because it's all about "getting to the top". that's where you take your selfies, not when you're safe (and hopefully with the traditional numbers of toes and fingers) at the base camp.
I think there is/was a commercial guide who advertised that he "could get anybody to the summit of Mount Everest" .
_Worst_ advertising ever.
If I pay you thousands of dollars, I don't want you focused on getting me there. I want you focused on getting me back alive and in one piece.
Totally agree. I hiked up Y Garn in Snowdonia yesterday in not so great conditions because of visibility, wind and rain. Was a relief to get to the summit but also didn’t want to stick around for too long because you’ve still got to descent to deal with.
Rob's decision to tell Beck to just stand there for the entire day, blind, and wait for him to come back down, is so baffling to me that I sometimes wonder if Beck misheard him. Or some other kind of miscommunication occurred.
But then again, every decision he made regarding Doug is just as baffling. Clearly his judgement was very clouded that day.
Totally agree on all of that. It makes zero sense to tell him to wait.
I agree. Also, Beck saying he wanted to honor his promise to Rob to wait -- the death zone on Everest is not the place to be an honorable person, particularly in that condition.
Madness that Rob Hall put getting Doug to the top above following his own rules about turnaround time. If he’d turned Doug and Yasuko around at 12:30, all 3 would likely have survived, and Beck would’ve made it back to camp before becoming horribly frostbitten. So then there would just be Scott Fischer, who hit the top at a ridiculously late hour, presumably because he didn’t want to tell anyone he hadn’t made it. If he Rob & Scott had the foresight to know what would happen. Who else was lost? Andy Harris?
@@glennthompson1971Andy would've survived. He went back to help Rob
@@glennthompson1971 What was the turnaround time? Namba summited at 2:15. Also, in his book, Mike Groom has himself, with Krakauer and Namba descending together. JK added that to his Postscript to Into Thin Air:
In his book, Sheer Will, Michael Groom described the moment when
he, Yasuko Namba, and I encountered Adams as we made our way
down toward the Balcony at 27,600 feet.
JK even excerpts Groom's book:
“Now, see those two climbers down there in red? Just follow them,” I said, pointing to Jon and Yasuko still visible in the gully below. He stepped off the ridge in such a haphazard manner, I wondered whether he cared if he lived or died. Concerned about his judgment, I decided to stick with him.
So maybe rethink the thing...to include asking the other question, to wit, no one disputes that up until that point in time, Groom was with Namba like white on rice aka he was always with her. Yet he says that he stuck with that soul. Was that because he knew that JK was a good climber andso in his mind, JK would take his place re Namba? Maybe write to JK and ask him why he abandoned Namba.
Makes me remember the ambassador of Scandinavian humility. In 1996 Göran Kropp bicycled from Stockholm, Sweden to Mount Everest, to summit it unsupported, with no oxygen. He turned around ~100 m from the summit. He witnessed the 1996 Mount Everest disaster from base camp, but summited successfully at May 26th. And bicycled back to Stockholm, Sweden again.
RIP Göran.
Goran is a model in more ways than one. Since RIP Goran owing to him dying re something easier than Everest, but them's the breaks.
Wow. Haven't heard that story! Amazing ❤
Bro was taking the saying "the summit is only the halfway point" VERY seriously
The way you look so pleasant without (obvious) make up inspired me to go to the grocery store without make up. The next day I went to the dentist without make up. For 30 years I would put on mascara to go to my mailbox. It struck me that of all the UA-camrs I watch, you’re one of the few I’d be happy to have sit down next to me on an airplane. Your perhaps unintended inspiration has freed up time, mental and physical space, and money for me. Thanks.
Yes no makeup gang unite! That’s awesome though, if you’re comfortable without it, I say go for it! And for those who love to wear it, go for it!
It's called the "Barely washing and brushing it" style.😂
@@adventuresgonewrong 😂👍
I know most women wear makeup for themselves, but as a man, I prefer the natural look. Not that my opinion makes any difference but ladies don't need makeup.
You do look good. So natural and comfortable in your own skin. Since the pandemic, I wear minimal makeup day-to-day. It is more comfortable and skin-friendly.
I still can’t get over the sheer number of people who completely disregarded the 2 p.m. turn around time, and thought everything was going to be magically OK with hanging out on the top of a mountain well into afternoon/evening in worsening weather. Grown adults (well into their 30s/40s) waiting for someone else to tell them what to do when they already did - turn around at 2. “Summit Fever” must be a helluva mental condition 😅
Honestly, that's the last thing that surprises me. You spent thousands of dollars and weeks of preparation and days of grueling climbing to get there, and then the summit is _RIGHT THERE BEFORE YOU PRACTICALLY JUST A FEW MORE STEPS_ ... AKA: summit-fever deluxe. Of course they keep going; human brains have been short-circuited by far less.
It want 2 it was 1pm. Krakauer has 1 mentioned in his outside article and in his book, but as soon as it benefits him it changed to 2pm
@@joshiek7839 Krakauer is a liar. He duped the whole world and made money from the death of his teammates. Almost everything in his book is manipulation and lies to make himself look better and blame others.
@@joshiek7839Indeed. For JK the truth is whatever is convenient for him. Why did he change the time? Because he finally realized that his own summit time put him with the bad souls.
@@paulhicks7387 you keep using the word "soul" sounds strange
Having summited Everest doesn't mean you can become a guide and manage an entire expedition with all the logistics involved. Some of these guides were way over their heads.
You did a fantastic job on this video, explaining it well, but I want to comment on your dog, who is really cool in the background. LOL
He stuck it out for 2+ hours of filming!
@@adventuresgonewrong He is a loyal trooper.
I noticed that too! Cute dogs! Give them an extra cuddle sent from Virginia
And I love the chair behind you... the cloth pattern is fantastic and it looks ultra-comfy. Thanks again for this series on the 1996 Everest tragedy, and I hope to see lots of content from you in the future. 😊
Hello doggie.
Doctors telling people to leave Beck and him still surviving despite that is amazing. Anatoli saving so many is impressive. The fact that more didn’t die given how late they kept going up and how many things went wrong is surprising. I think summit fever and Swiss cheese model failure is to blame!
Video was worth the wait! 🎉
Thank you so much for your hard work on this fantastic series. I have been watching every other Everest video of yours on repeat until this glorious moment! Your attention to detail and storytelling delivery has me hooked!
Appreciate you watching!!
Thank you for your work. I love your videos.
I’ve seen a lot of videos of this disaster but this ties it all together. I finally know what happened and I’m glad for your thorough research.
Here here!
Thank you for your amazing job on this story. I work as essentially a wilderness ‘ranger’ at a remote outpost in the high peaks , and I see folks get in trouble quite a bit with winter conditions. This story , to me , is so tragic because all these experienced mountaineers were up there , but poor planning , poor equipment , it all went left. I read Into thin air , and I want to read Anatoli’a book as well. I never knew Beck was given up on that like , that was wild to me. And I appreciate your kindness in talking about everyone. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I actually gasped when the video reached the point where it was past 3:30pm and they were still summiting. I can't believe they stayed so late. I can only assume that their ability to think critically was significantly impaired. Krakauer seems like a real dbag though. It’s frankly a miracle more people didn’t die, especially Beck.
Thank you for this great series. I love that you included so many different perspectives. I am familiar with this disaster but still learned new things thanks to your videos.
It was so late to summit, just crazy.
Gosh I cannot stand Krakauer. I was gritting my teeth all through reading 'Into the Wild' due to his self congratulatory writing style.
On another note: Thanks @adventuresgonewrong for the amazing videos. Absolutely love them. Very insightful, witty and just love your narration :)
@@reginadejong9162 And here I thought I'm getting biased against Krakauer by developing a strong dislike during these three videos. It's certainly understandable that people are coping with their trauma by trying to assign blame, but doing so publically on a world-wide level is just...
As tragic as it is, I agree with your statement at the end. Too many things went wrong for it to be one person's fault. It was a number of seemingly small decisions that led to such a tragic incident.
This is an absolutely phenomenal piece of work. No agenda, lots of careful research, and complete objectivity. It's a different medium, but this work is on par with David Brashear's Storm over Everest. Amazing storytelling. Masterful.
Wow, thanks. He's an inspiration as a filmmaker that's for sure.
@@adventuresgonewrong And you're sitting in a room with sleeping dogs and minimal equipment and telling the story just as well. This is why I love UA-cam.
Ha, same! I've tried all the fancy equipment, green screens, but my viewers prefer a cozy setting and dogs. Who knew!?
@@adventuresgonewrong It ain't broke so don't fix it. People are really appreciative of authenticity.
I'm kinda in shock at the compounding bad decisions Rob Hall made. While Scott Fisher certainly made his share of bad decisions, he didn't endanger someone by asking them to wait in the death zone, blind, and then seeming to forget about him. Let alone any of the decisions regarding Doug.
I totally agree, all you ever here about is how Robb Hall was supper safe and by the rules and Scott Fisher was more loose with the rules but on that day Rob Hall made some poor decisions. We will never know why but I think it had to do with the kind of competition between him and Scott and the money there was to be made from the publicity and also Doug not making it the year before and Rob telling him he would get him there next year, I think Rob pushed past 2 because of this. But the decision to tell a blinded man to wait for hrs for you to come back and makes no sense for someone that’s supposed to be so safe. The strangest thing of the day in my opinion was Scott Fisher continuing to climb to the submit when he felt sick and weak, he didn’t have to considering his clients and guides were all doing fine on the way up, he should have just turned around he already had summited Everest he didn’t need to prove anything to anyone.
Totally agree. I also think Anatoli was there to guide but he seemed to just be a lone wolf there to do his own summit. Of course his actions during the storm undoubtedly saved lives and was the only one out there in the end. Rob halls multiple bad decisions definitely cost lives.
I think Anatoli was keeping the speed needed to climb and descend safely, if you couldn't keep up you were not supposed to be there.
Agree. Rob Hall has been put on a pedestal for reasons I can't understand, given his actions.
This is so true. Scott seems like he was a nutcase but Rob had been placed at the highest pedestal.
Ah, the hubris… As a safety professional, I still believe most accidents contain one or both ingredients: time constraints and charismatic leaders. Great coverage, thank you so much!!
I would have thought that "penny-wise and pound-foolish" is also a reliable source? You know, as in too few life boats (although common wisdom was, that was because the life boats cramped the visual style).
I think the reason Rob didn't just leave Doug is cause Doug had turned himself around and Rob convinced him to go for the summit
That could be a huge factor.
I agree. I read Lou Kasischke’s book, and he says that he saw Doug on the way down the mountain, and that Doug told him he felt terrible and was going back down. I think Rob convinced Doug to go for the summit, and they both died as a result ~ probably Andy Harris too.
“Profound words when you’re on the brink of death”
Your humor was a welcome break at that moment ❤
i laughed out loud when she basically said he t-posed and was never seen again xD
Makalu Gau kept himself alive all night next to Scott Fischer by ‘dancing’. He just moved his body all the time as much as he could. He talks of how he hit his hands together and just sounded like ‘clack, clack’. That must’ve been horrifying. He lost all his nose and fingers to frostbite. They sewed his hands to his abdomen so the skin could regrow but then he lost the use of his shoulders so he had to work hard to regain movement. Then he had to endure nose surgery. He’s a very animated fellow and it’s interesting to listen to his account.
I remember him mentioning the "clack, clack" in a documentary. How horrifying that would be.
Beck left for dead by Anatoly...
Beck left for dead by rescue team...
Beck left for dead at camp...
Beck left for dead by Death, who clearly didn't want him yet...
Yea the spirits literally told him not right now.
Or maybe he told death -“not yet, try harder!”
Death was standing by, rolling eyes and repeating "guys seriously, I'm not taking him"
It sounds a lot like Anatoli had a very literal way of thinking. I've known Russian men like him, actually. They'll ask once about what to do and accept your answer. If you tell them you're fine, they can't imagine you aren't fine. If you say go on, I can do it, then it's the same.
People tend to see them as very cold and clinical, and there are plenty of times that's not true. Their emotions are in their actions rather than words. To them, words are unreliable because it's proven true to them. They're the kinds of guys who buy you something for Christmas that you mentioned in passing in April.
I feel for him, because it's easy for people who rely on using nuance and tones in carefully worded suggestions to understand that it could be different. The same as the straightforward people don't understand why you say things you don't mean and expect them to "just understand."
If you choose to go into nature that has any kind of brutal extreme, it's a risk. Nature doesn't give a fraction of a damn who you are or where you come from. Your money and your ego mean nothing to the soul of nature. You get just as much consideration as the rock next to you.
I think a lot of people dealt with their guilt by placing blame in the guy they saw as mighty enough to have offset their problems. It's unfair, but emotions rarely are. Krakauer plainly struggles with his feelings and handles it by turning them out at others. It also sounds like he understood the psychology of first story out is always seen as true.
Everyone is responsible for the choices they made and the consequences that came from them. If they feel guilt for those choices, that's on their conscience. Maybe they learned things about themselves that they didn't like and didn't want others to see. It's between them, their god, and the mountain.
Thank you very much for your comments and insights about Anatoli!
Very well put
I’ve also heard people describe Russians as more straight-forward in their communication style, whereas American/Western communication styles as more wishy-washy and dependent upon understanding social cues. I tend to take people at their word so it made perfect sense to me why Anatoli acted the way he did.
Seems like Anatoly also knew that he was only so good to others as a well person. It's the put the oxygen on yourself first so you can help others. He literally was resting and went back multiple times to help throughout the night. A true hero in my opinion.
I wish there was more out there about Yasuko Namba she seems so lost forgotten and dismissed. I’d love to see a book about her.
You’re absolutely right. She did make the 7 summits. That’s a hell of an accomplishment.
Agreed
Look for a UA-camr named Michael Tracy, he has done a lot of work on the contradictions in people’s stories about the 1996 disaster. He has a lot of Everest content and an episode on Yasukuo and you won’t look at Krakauer the same again.
@michaeltracy2356
@@669karlos thank you will find
I don’t know why Krakauer had such a visceral dislike for Anatoly. To me it obviously jades his recollection of events. Everyone else that has written on the subject has a very positive- pretty much heroic take of Anatoly’s actions that day
He's also not very fair to Sandy Hill-Pittman. A journalist should work harder on confronting his own biases.
Krakauer is and always has been a prima Donna.
He didn't like a lot of people on the expedition. Yasuko Namba was a good climber who was dismissed as a rank amateur who didn't know how to use crampons (Completely false), Beck was a Texas Republican. As if that's horrible, and Sandy was a useless, promiscuous socialite. He's a weasel.
There is another channel who challenges his recollections by showing photos from Scott's camera. A lot of things taken as gospel from his accounts look rather nebulous.
@@melindahajdinWhat he did to Sandy is just evil.
While not as critical of Sandy as Krakuer, there's been a lot of other people critical of Sandy Hill-Pittman also. Still doesn't make Krakuer any less an obnoxious jerk
It’s unfair how Alison Hargreaves was treated after she died on K2, for having kids. I’d be fairly certain most male mountaineers also have kids. I grew up with Alison
That is shameful indeed. It’s the double standard that exists everywhere. May she rest in peace.
@@user-us5pv8zw3z The fact that her lad Tom was also lost to the mountains left me thinking, “I bet they both wouldn’t choose anywhere else to die”
The story just went full circle.
Also her husband is/was a horrible horrible man. He pressured her to become a professional mountaineer and be the bread-winner because his shop was dying on its arse. Right there is the reason that up in the mountains was her escape, some ME time for her. He was a horrible controlling man.
Jim, if you’re reading this: Sue me. Good luck.
Ugh yes, the descent is always the worst. I'm not a climber, but a hiker. All of my hiking injuries have been on the way down a mountain.
You are honestly such a good storyteller, you bring such a compassionate human aspect to everything, and this series, I’ve binged it like a dozen times it’s just so interesting 😅
This whole series is like a major lesson of what not to do in climbing. So many bad decisions, it's mind boggling.
AKA,... COE, chain of errors
I never trusted Krakhour (I can't spell). He seems the first to throw out nasty barbs about others and the last to accept criticism about himself. Beck, on the other hand, seemed to be very accepting that people were making the correct decisions, even when it hurt him personally. I think what it boils down to is that it takes a big personality to climb a mountain and that it doesn't always mess well with cooperation.
I agree, even some of the people in the story agree they all have big egos.
I am definitely thinking the same thing as I listen to this. OK once you can understand why he doesn’t help somebody to save his own life. But time after time when asked to help, he’s saying, I didn’t hear them, no they didn’t. And he never admits when he’s the one needing help, he comes across as a selfish person, not wanting to put himself out in anyway. However, maybe he survived because of that.
Researching his early life bio is enlightening.
This was a awesome series you put together and pt.3 the finale was amazing. Thank you for the time, effort, and research you put into this it was great. And I know it was exhausting for you and I appreciate it all. I've watched all three parts twice and I look forward to the next adventure. Again thanks 😊
Thanks so much! Yes, it was a lot of work over many months, way more than I expected but so worth it. Thanks for the support as always!
Wow. You gave each of the climbers a character, and through you, a voice. Thank you so much. Once all the sensation is removed it's a classic case of a concatenation of events leading to an inevitable conclusion. This should be required viewing for future team leaders.
I love how objective you’ve been through these series and the smattering of humour throughout.
Your question of who’s to blame - I don’t think *anyone* could have foreseen the epic scale of this disaster to be blamed for their actions.
- Rob ran a commercial expedition and needed to get his clients on top. He could have been more circumspect with the turnaround times
- Scott, similarly, had that pressure but especially as this was MM’s first expedition. Also he was not well and obviously his judgement would be clouded
- Krakauer remembers from his memory, which can be delirious. His blame on Anatoli is just that, his perspective
- Anatoli I thought was the bravest of all and I’m glad he was recognised for it. Unfortunately it was posthumous
But the worst part of all this is that ‘96 has been repeated with larger proportions every year that passes. It’s tragic that this event and others that have followed aren’t alerting people to acknowledge their limits and respect the mountain.
Regarding Sandy’s actions - I feel this is boilerplate misogyny that was prevalent in the ‘90s (see Monica Lewinsky). Especially a perceived high profile “dilettante” (Into Thin Air) was an easy villain to cast. But Breshears and others, including Krakauer himself, admit that she’s been woefully misbranded here.
I remember seeing another video on YT with 2-3 Everest expedition teams going end to end and even there the woman, very accomplished, was shown as a lightweight because she touched up her lip balm or something.
This series is great, it felt like you were there. Rob hall made the worst decisions. Leaving beck, ignoring turn around time, lettingDoug Hansen proceed, not keeping an eye on his guides and allowing them to climb confused about oxygen bottles, asking people to comeback up and risk their lives to save him, leaving yakusob on her own, he broke every rule in the book
I was quite horrified at his decisions, as well - had he stayed alive, there would have been consequences, I suppose. Though it's quite possible that he wasn't in the right state of mind at the altitude. And neither was Scott, I think, due to overexerting himself for a long time.
The strangest thing of the day in my opinion was Scott Fisher continuing to climb to the submit when he felt sick and weak, he didn’t have to considering his clients and guides were all doing fine on the way up and were already coming down, he should have just turned around he already had summited Everest he didn’t need to prove anything to anyone.
Brilliant series. I cant imagine the amount of work you put into this. Thank you so much. Poor beck, left for dead multiple times. Anatoli was a beast. He got crap for decending before his group but he was the only one going out time and time again to look for people. No one is to blame. it's just a series of unfortunate events.
Yep, it feels like ppl were expecting for Anatoli to sacrifice his life too. And what use would he have been then? You have to keep yourself alive. He understood that by going down he would keep himself functional and useful. He also knew that very few of them were even able to descend and then go back if needed.
Cannot get enough of this channel, I've learnt so much about the tragedy, the mountains and the climbers themselves absolutely enthralling!!! As a kiwi I/we are always connected now with the mountain and its people's thanks to Hillary. I cannot imagine the decisions needed to be made in such circumstances, Rest in Peace those brave Climbers❤
I really appreciate your ability to criticize people’s actions without vilifying their character.
Not only because people who go through such harrowing and life threatening situations often deserve much more empathy than they receive, but also because less sensationalized portrayals usually tend to land closer to the truth
Absolutely fantastic. Well done! It's really no wonder "accounts differed", as I'm sure many of the climbers just blocked out what was happening to them. It must have been absolutely terrifying. I was out in thunder snow once, and I nearly cr*pped myself. That was bad enough!! I also believe there were many factors to blame, and completely agree with your summing up. I haven't yet read Lou Kasischke's account of the disaster and am off to try and find it. I'm glad you called out Krakauer and had positive words about Boukreev. For me, he was a hero. Nice to see poor old Sandy Pitman being cut some slack too. Glad the dogs enjoyed it. Nice job. Can't wait for the next one!
I will be 61 in late September. Lived in central Indiana my entire life.
Only seen Thunder Snow once. I was safely inside and it was scary. Can't imagine the terror of being out in one.
Add the fact they were in a blizzard, 100x worse.
To steal a line from the movie Everest, climbing Everest today would be just like standing in line at friggin Walmart. What is the point? There’s pure ignorance and then there’s climbing Mt. Everest. At one time, it actually meant something.
To steal a line from Gorge Mallory, when asked by a reporter why he wanted to climb Everest, Mallory purportedly replied, "Because it's there."
It still means something.
This has been a fantastic series!! I'm so glad to have been available for the finale when you posted it! Great work! I have gone through nearly all of your videos, and I look forward to your future work!! Much respect from Southern Ontario!! ✌🏾
Thank you. If you any of the interviews after, even years after they all look haunted. There is a zoned out look in their eyes. I have read several of the books you referenced and each climber suffered. One cannot imagine how frightening it was.
What an epic series for an epic story!! I can’t believe Beck survived despite death knocking on his door (and knocking him around) many times. It really wasn’t his time. As for everything, I thoroughly enjoyed watching each episode at least 2-3 times and even watched the first two again consecutively when the final episode dropped. As always, your storytelling was outstanding. I really loved your comprehensive coverage of the story from various perspectives of the people involved in the events, the sociocultural and psychological contexts behind the disaster and these folks, as well as the relationships between the crew members and helpful technical information that assisted me/audience for more enjoyable watching experience from better understanding. I also appreciated how you reported as objectively and well-balanced as possible but still provided your own take/reaction at appropriate times when all of us just couldn’t help but go “oh dear, seriously?” 😂 // After watching your series though, I felt like I just can’t impart as harsh of judgments as before on some of them. Everyone was to blame in their own regard yet everything seems to have happened like an unfortunately but perfectly weaved disaster with uncontrollable natural conditions. The amount of suffering, both mentally and physically, that every one of them (even Sandy and Jon Krakauer) had experienced is just unimaginably immense that none of us, who were not there, should or could really point fingers. Massive respect for those who went through this disaster, whether they succumbed too early or lived thereafter.
I really appreciate your accounts of these stories. Your ease of explanation's and cadence keeps us hanging on to every word. I am a great grandmother; who used to cross country ski until one night at 10PM at a ski lodge in the Laurentians hit a patch of ice and tore my two knees requiring surgery. At 74 I do still jog on my treadmill though because after suffering being laid up for over 3 months with casts from ankle to hip on both legs felt it important to keep moving or die trying Lol. I am Canadian like you and live in Quebec between Ottawa and Montreal and still shovel the snow. Cold is something we just take for granted here it is a given with our Northern winters. Keep up the great work and I look forwards to your next episodes.
Hello fellow Canadian! We will always be shovelling snow haha. And keeping moving is so important, and you're still giving 'er on a treadmill, way to go!
10:35 The dogs in the background of her living room, are like, "She's telling this story again? Doesn't she ever bark a new story?"
I've been looking forward to this. Excellent series.
I've seen quite a few about this tragedy, and I was going to skip these until I realized which channel they were on. I really found your take on this fascinating and the detail to research. Plus there was info I've never heard. Thank you!
I watched part 2 last night. Perfect timing for part 3. I thoroughly enjoyed all of them.
Wow that is perfect timing!
What a way to kick off a Wednesday, love your channel and respect the work and humanity you put into your videos
I appreciate that!
I agree with you, everyone is responsibile for themselves when they take on any extreme activity, like climbing Everest. One of the problems that is constantly talked about with Everest, particularly now, is the number of unqualified climbers accepted by the guided climbing companies. These inexperienced climbers expect to be helped up and down mountain, while the climbing companies happily accept the revenue without concern for placing their inexperienced clients there. Too crowded, not enough experience, and the power of nature is a recipe for disaster. I believe to expect rescue on Everest is selfish.
If you climb mountains like everest you have to come down under your own power or you will not live. People that you can drag a injured or weak climber off don't understand the magnitude of it
Honestly this was one of the most captivating narratives I've listened to in decades. Very engaging, well structured and well spoken. Brilliant.
Appreciate it!
This series and channel are so great! I love how fair and balanced you are and how you try and show the best sides of people without totally letting them off the hook! This series is on the top of my nighttime wind down playlist and I love listening to it over and over again :) I'd really love to read the books you cite!
Definitely read the books, they're so interesting and there's lots I couldn't fit in.
You are a brilliant storyteller. My knowledge and awareness of the ‘96 Everest tragedy was based on reading the Krakauer book. I saw the movie “Everest,” which was very well done. Then, I saw the IMAX movie. Your thorough explanation fills in so many blanks because you have read all the accounts and have a much more balanced view. Chalk up the whole tragedy to hubris.
It was so interesting to compare all the accounts and see how vastly different they were. Most people read Into Thin Air and called it a day.
@@adventuresgonewrong I read that Krakauer did not like the movie. Based on all accounts of his actions he sounds like a jerk.
I think he hated it because it shows Anatoli going into the other tents for help which he says never happened.
@@adventuresgonewrong Have you seen Michael Tracey’s videos challenging Krakauer’s narrative based on photographs?
@@janeb5725 michael tracy also made mistakes. He has this whole theories based on photographs. 1 of his theories is based on a photo that Neal Beidleman took and tracy says that in the background, behind Doug, you can see Pitmann going down. Therefor Pitman was ahead of the group with Charlotte Fox znd Neal, therefor she was not doing as poorly as krakauer made her out to be. Tracy is WRONG! That is not Pitman in the background going down but Mike Groom. And Tracy starts to threathen me (and everybody that doesn't agree with his narrative) when i bring this up , calling me names and threathens to block me. When i said Neal Beidleman actually confirms it is Groom and not Pitman he deletes his comments. But he keeps dead silent about it in his comments to others. He is a sketchy person if you ask me and has a big ego. Everything he accuses krakauer of, he is himself
I have read The Climb last week and I honestly don't understand why Jon Krakauer is so focused on Anatoly. Anatoly was the guide of different expedition, all his clients have survived. It seems to me that Jon had pretty much no contact with Anatoly. He also wouldn't have known obstacles Scott's expedition had faced. Such as not enough oxygen, problems with sherpas' team e.t.c. Anatoly helped to mutigate some of them, which he was not obligated to do.
He was totally fixated on Anatoli and Sandy for some weird reason. I actually think it's part jealousy. He went on and on about Sandy's wealth, how he had spent time with her before Everest and said her and her friends flaunted their wealth. Maybe they did but who cares. And that fuelled his misogynistic attack on her in the book.
Then with Anatoli, I think he was just jealous that he was not on Anatoli's level at all climbing-wise.
I went to Corvallis HS and met Jon Krakauer who was also a student. I remember him as quiet but also more mature and thoughtful than most his age. I had no idea he was going mountain climbing with his father at that time. He was nice.
Small world!
Yes. I lived in Atlin, BC, and Whitehorse for a time. In a tent frame, with a wood stove. Before there were fancy, wicking, warm clothes. All I could think about was getting warm. I love your stories!@@adventuresgonewrong
Thank you very much for the in depth series - the '96 disaster continues to enthral. Great work.
Anatoli went back twice and saved four people…how can those climbers who didn’t feel themselves able to be critical of him?
There’s an art to storytelling, and you’ve mastered it. Your engaging narrative, coupled with impeccable research, has made this a phenomenal series. Thank you so much.
Appreciated that!
I couldn't wait for this third episode and it gave lots of little details that others hadn't covered. Also I find it warm and cozy you telling the story with your doggie warm and resting while talking about 100 below temps . Thank you for the great series of storytelling
Awesome job, great research. I think there were a couple factors that helped to seal fates:
Hubris - "pride that blinds"
“There are none so blind as those who will not see”
RIP
My husband and I have been SO looking forward to this video! Thank you so much!!
OMG - this made my day! Looking forward to watching the last part tonight.
Thanks for your awesome work on this - this was truly epic.
Thanks for sticking it out for 3+ hours!!
You’re simply full of common sense. You tell stories from multiple view points which is just admirable. Thank you for your solid integrity in storytelling. 👍👍👍
Thanks for doing all the work that went into this. Somehow I fell down a rabbit hole of Everest videos and found yours. It’s so tragic and ironic that Charlotte Fox died by falling down the stairs at home. She seems like such a likeable person. There are pretty good interviews with Mike Groom and Neal Beidleman on youtube, if you haven’t already seen them.
Fantastic video, as always! Thanks so much for telling this story so clearly, without laying so much blame as other creators have. (Also, congrats on your first sponsorship! Love to see this channel growing!)
Thanks so much, appreciate the support!
I just finished rewatching the first two parts! What a good timing
Lucky! No long wait!
I so enjoy watching your videos and I have been hooked on your Everest series. Thank you for the considered and thoughtful way you explain the stories without victim blaming. Any big adventure carries risk and Everest is inherently risky even in good weather and perfect conditions. It is not a place for tourists.
The wait for Part 3 was agonizing but well worth it!!! Really well done on this series, can't wait to see what you (and your pups) tackle next!
That’s why you have to read Bukreevs Book too! Krakauer was very „Creative“ in his book.
Great Job putting so much Information together and sorting all the trash out.
And I need to Read Lou’s Book! Didn’t even knew he wrote a book about it!
This 3 part series on the 1996 Everest story was fascinating and I was hooked after the first 5 minutes! I felt like I was there on the mountain with them due to the excellent story telling (I live in Florida and put a sweater on a few times because I would start to feel cold :)). It's a remarkable story and so well researched; I also thought you were very fair to everyone involved with your comments and observations. I hope you do more of these long form stories -- I listened to it twice. Well done!
I'm definitely sticking with the longer stories, you guys seem to like them and it allows me to go into so much more detail. I'm working on the next and really excited about it!
I’ve read Into Thin Air many times. Also Anatoli’s book and Buried in the Sky which focuses on Sherpas. Your series is really well researched and I’ll read the books you mentioned that I haven’t read yet. Thx for your hard work!❤
Watched all back to back in one sitting. With all of you’re research, you are a true authority on the subject. Thank you.
Excellent series. A great synthesis of the many sources of information that has become available over the years.
Your series is simply the best, most detailed, most balanced view of what happened on this climb. You answered so many questions that i don't think have been addressed elsewhere. Thank you.
This entire series has been fantastic, your thoroughness in research is so refreshing
Great conclusion to the series! You've done a great job of balancing the complexity of all the different accounts of what happened. Giving a sense of how memories differ and some specifics are controversial, without getting bogged down in the details of each incident so that it becomes hard to follow.
I know they're probably a huge amount of work, but I'd love to see more videos like this from you. A lof of video essays on disasters like this sound superficially good, but if you know something about what happened, it's clear they're just retelling the "wikipedia" narrative of the event. It's really refreshing to see your engagement with the different sources, and not glossing over places where the narrative isn't simple or satisfying.
Im in Bournemouth England and I triple love your mt climbing documentaries! Keep them coming. Charlitte Fox is my hero and Im a Sandy Pittman supporter. They always look for a woman to blame. It started with Eve and theyre still at it.❤❤
I know nothing about mountaineering and I don't have any particular interest in stories surrounding it, but your video series on this incident was absolutely captivating. I stayed up well into the night yesterday watching the first two videos and finished with the third one today, and you never once lost my attention. Thank you for this incredibly well researched and interestingly structured series, I had a blast with it!
Love the videos.
Just to clarify, Beck did not have "laser eye surgery." He had "refractive surgery" or "vision correction surgery," but this was the days before excimer laser used in modern LASIK or PRK. He had an early surgery called RK or Radial Keratotomy, performed without laser.
Been wondering about this. I had lasersurgery and was thinking "i can not go to high mountains?"
Thank you for putting together this series! I watched the movie Everest a few days ago and was cringing the whole time (afraid of heights) and I just couldn’t fathom what happened… but it happened, and it’s just so sad.
Anatoli and Lapsang were amazing heroes. Lapsang sick as a dog and sharing his oxygen. Anatoli going back (after he got his brief rest) for more people in the storm. And your dogs really helped calm me down w/this intense story!🤗🦮
Thank you for going over everyone's perspective throughout these videos. I'm thinking of reading some of the books you've linked and I know I won't get to all of them so it is great to know what biases some of the authors might have. I definitely will be coming back to your videos too just so I wouldn't get too sucked into a single author's perspective.
All three of them are of really amazing quality and so detailed that I'm sure I'll be catching new things even after a 4th listen.
Thoroughly enjoyed your thorough coverage of this ill-fated expedition. I have watched the film Everest so many times now, and a few documentaries, but your coverage is so detailed. I will be going back to Part 1 and watching it all again, so many thanks for your great presentation. Best wishes to you and your canine friends in Canada, from South Wales in the UK!
Just finished work so perfect timing. But as always RIP to the victims of the 96 Everest Disaster.
Great story telling. I’ve read a few books, I don’t know why inexperienced people go there. A blind guy went to the top. Some people are crazy, it was a very sad year. I saw the imax movie, it was amazing. People take risks, I read about them, watch movies, and documentaries. I loved watching the dogs. 😂😂😂🐾🐾🐾
Another excellent video! Loved all 3 parts. Thank you for your time, dedication, and immense storytelling!
I have been "obsessed" with the disaster on Everest since it happened. Your detailed 3 part composition is without a doubt the best account I have read, seen or heard. Thank you for your in depth and honest report. I am now a fan!
Thanks so much! I’ve been obsessed with it too, so that’s why I did this. Just wanted to get as many sources as I could to try and piece that info together. Glad you enjoyed it!
I feel for everyone involved. Each of them had their reasons to be there and in their minds thought they were doing the right thing. To hear many of them died after from adventures they were participating in makes this tragedy make a lot more sense. Thank you for this series. I think I’m going to listen to it again without breaks :)
What a good storyteller! The whole climbing Everest thing, what a useless quest. If you're going to risk your life doing something difficult why not do something that is of some benefit to someone or something. That climb seems to be purely for ego, and the crowds are destroying the whole area.
As always,we are so thankful for your hard work, research and knowledgable insights. Love your style of story telling and your warmth. And your beautiful dogs! Anatollie is the only person I like in this story tbh.
I think Stu was also pretty cool, but yeah, Anatoli was impressive. I don't agree with all his decisions but I respect his knowledge and ability. Scott should definitely have listened to him.
I agree, I'd love to know more about Stu but he's been super quiet.
Thanks so much!
Fascinating human drama. You have given us a lot to think about. Like. ..Why are some people driven to put themselves in danger to see if they can get away with it?
I think that is why we are so fascinated by it, it's really hard to understand WHY.
Informative and greatly appreciated content.
My experience and observation is that catastrophic events are most often a culmination of minor inconveniences that stack up against each other into a train wreck. When I realize that several inconveniences are in process I take a deliberate break and reexamine the overall picture. I spend a lot of time alone in remote environments and credit my long-term survival to this ability to deliberately change my stride and momentum.
I’ve always been fascinated by this particular Everest attempt. I took everything I read in “into thin air” as fact so it’s really interesting to hear other accounts. Thank you for putting this together.
You are a superb narrator. Great job!
Thanks for watching!
Beautifully done. I am one of those who have watched part 1-2 multiple times. Thank you for all of your hard work so that we can enjoy and learn.
Thanks for watching multiple times!
The fact that who would set up fixed ropes was not laid out ahead of time seems weird. Every point along the path should have had decisions made in base camp on who would set up a rope if needed and who their backup was.
Impressed by your research. Thank you.
Like Titanic, it was the culmination of many mistakes.
Very tragic.
Best 3-part series of the 1996 ordeal. Many thanks 🙏
such a captivating series i haven’t been able to stop thinking about since watching it, and you did an amazing job presenting it! for some reason Anitolli’s death less than two years later really got me when it was mentioned. he clearly seemed to care so much about helping people when they needed him and it sucks that he spent the rest of his life hearing about how he was responsible for so much horror