@sanriuk Congratulations on your 1st Dan!!!!!!!!!! I should be able to test for mine later next year. I've been training for 8 months now and I'm really in love with it. My master is really incredible. She's a 2nd or 3rd Dan in Taekwando and Hapkido respectively, and she encourages me to learn one of them. Still debating. But HDGD is my 1st love. I never realized that martial arts were so popular in Mexico. I'm really happy about that though. Mexico is an intriguing country.
Korea's a sort of intermediary area between Japan and China, so there are a lot of influences from them in Korea, and vice-versa. The katana design was adapted from one type of Korean blade. However, kumdo itself was adapted from Japanese gekkeiken (now called kendo) and kenjutsu after the Japanese occupation to boost morale and feel less powerless against invaders. Kumdo's influences from both Japan and China, with some of the stances and positions in the video.
@sanriuk No, I was unable to. I had only been learning for two months when the Championships rolled around. I see a lot of HDGD videos from Mexican martial artists. Is it really popular there??
Wow, ANOTHER Korea vs Japan discussion. This never gets old (yes it does, and very quickly). Ignore your cultural bias and watch the video for what it is, a truely amazing display of cutting techniques and choreographed sparring.
It varies by school. Some use point systems similar to Kendo with legal and illegal targets. Others use "first hit/ you're dead" where any hit is legal. Some use soft padded armour and allow thrusts. Others don't use any armour and usually disallow thrusts. Best to check with the school.
the Clans have their own form,we can answer the famous Samurai's name when seeing the form.for example,setting up Katana on right head is Musashi's form and forming the end of Katana downward to left side shoestring catch like quarter moon is Jyubei Yagyu,but its are glitz and eccentrically for the view of technic basically. Korean style is cool but its like TV show and the form is assembled discretely....
it seems korea takes many martial arts and suits them to their needs- tae kwon do is just a mix of karate and kungfu.. kumdo looks like a mix of wudang jian style with kenjutsu
To the 'mcdojo' commenter: I really doubt these guys do this for self defense, but for the coolness/traditional factor. My BJJ instructor teaches this also and he makes no claims to its validity in a street fight. Only that it's a really REALLY fun traditional martial art to learn.
i never said kendo was more tratitional i just have a tendency to write comments badly lol i meant that while kendo is more like sport fencing and enshin ryu and haidong gumdo are actual sword methods used in real life fights way back in oldie times.
both types are just as "traditional" and gumdo IS heavily influenced by kendo, but there are differences in the fighting styles. Kendo focuses on looking for openings and getting the perfect "one strike." Gumdo, on the other hand, focuses on compact, rapid attacks in order to create an opening and then how to exploit that opening. Both styles are just as effective as the other, although i'll admit, gumdo DOES look cooler.
@sanriuk Thanks for backing me up. And it's great to meet a fellow student of HDGD. I think I have an advantage because I study here in Korea. Where do you study?
@lrodrigomoreno ok rodrigo respeto tu opinion aunque si se pued eme gustaria saber en detalle cuales consideras los mas estilizados a mi me gusta la critica constructiva GRACIAS
:) To be honest the sparring shown in the clip was a prepared choreographed demonstration. Very impressive but not entirely realistic. Real sparring, like baseball , is more fun to do than to watch ;)
1. Kumdo/Gumdo is the Korean pronunciation of Kendo and it was introduced into the Korean Peninsula from Japan during the period of the Japanese protectorate and annexation (1895-1945). Before that martial arts didn't exist in Korea. So it's never a traditional Korean martial art from ancient times. It's true that Koreans began learning sword skills from Chinese and they called it 本國劍 / 本国剣 in the 18th century, but it didn't catch on. /watch?v=xcc3_iBmMyM
@toro1 Me agrada que no lo tomes a mal. No estoy muy seguro de a que te refieres con tu pregunta. Me lo podrías aclarar por favor? Para no contestar babosadas.
3. What Koreans are doing now is a creation based on Japanese Kendo. But because the new martial art required Koreans to make a difference from Kendo, they adopted flashy action stunts like jumping or spinning. First, you Koreans must set out the records of HaedongKumdo before 1970s if you can.
@sakura0jp0aikidodesu yo practico haidong gumdo desde hace 8 años y veo que algunos japoneses o practicantes de iaido o kendo critican nuestra tecnica, mi pregunta? como puedes criticar algo que no conoces Haidong Gumdo I practice for 8 years and I see some Japanese or iaido or kendo practitioners criticize our technique, my question? how can you criticize something you do not know
"black belt rank" is only the beginning. In most legitimate arts, it takes perhaps four dedicated years to reach what westerners consider "black belt." From there, it takes years to achieve new ranks. Black belt is only the beginning of perfecting the art, not "mastery."
what just a few people know is that haidong gumdo is the extraction of the ninja sword style and kendo is of the samurais you can just see it, look the diferences of this both beautiful ways of the sword. This info cant be founded on internet, event if you ask to a master he would lie you, I get the info travelilng the world and i decide to give it to the people ho is saying bad stuff about this art both art good arts they are just diferent THE TRUTH IS CLEARLY FOR THE ONE HO WANTS TO SEE IT XD
@toro1 Estoy de acuerdo contigo; uno no puede criticar lo que no conoce, pero hasta cierto punto un kendoka se puede dar idea sobre el haidong gumdo. Por ejemplo, lo movimientos son demasiado estilizados y gastan energía de manera poco útil, lo cual lo hace poco práctico como arte marcial. De lo demás no comento porque no sé.
Someone needs to do their homework. Haedong gumdo has been around for decades and is huge, with federations in over 6 countries. "mcdojo" arts are usually isolated, with only a handful of dojos. Also, traditional gumdo goes back centuries, almost as far back as kendo. and another thing, "embarassingly flashy"? go ahead and tell me what you consider a "real" martial art and i'll bet i can find a dozen "embarassingly flashy" videos about it.
i am leaning Aikido and Iaido a liitle of bit. Japanese sword methods is separated about one hundred or more,Yagyu-shnganryu,Yagyu-shinkageryu,Muso-shindenryu,Jigo-tenshinryu etc...since the families or clans had developed respectively the sword method to fight against climate and climate in age of civil strife ;Sengoku era(戦国時代). i know Gumdo or Kumudo are style of Korean sword method,but why they didn't have any load...then they become play twiddle diddle dancing with Katana now?...
There is not the Korean fact that the samurai existed in history. There is neither the society scenery created historically nor the inevitability. Though there is not the base which existed, the person forging Korea samurai spreads a lie. I imitate a Japanese samurai and divert castles of Japan to their HP and develop the false martial arts that I forged for an image of Japan.
The words are good for you. Kendo develops from kenjutsu. kenjutsu is battle skill for Japanese battlefield and the Japanese equipment. thats not connected with Korea at all. And, as for the Japanese sword and the Japanese equipment, the history of the development is supported by many inheritances.
Oye rodrigo, supongo que al menos reconoces que el gumdo es una copia del estilo tradicional japonés. Gumdo tiene orígenes muy recientes, como en los 80 o 90, no es un arte marcial coreano.
Why quarrel? We're all humans after all, and no one can say the other is better or worst unless he/she has attained the highest level in KENDO/GUMDO Both are martial arts using sword and if we wanna see which is the best i'm sure there is competition between this 2 art anytime in the year. By the way, we are all descendant of Homosapiens thats the truth
@toro1 hola! agradezca a Espana en el desastre de Fukushima.we like flamenco,many women learn the class in Japan.i have learned Aikido about 20 years and Iaido for a few years only.i am greenness it is shorter career then must study more.well,you mistook.people getting really angry are just regular people in Japan.since Bushido prohibit to pass judgment each other.then if my act come out to my teacher,i will be ban.
hi if it is much but versatil that kendo, kendo is single combat do not learn anything of the use of the steel sword, single in the iaido one but very it is limited single katas, are no steps battle, do not learn kenjutsu, in haidong gumdo learns all. greetings
why Japanese are confused to Korean Gumdo and Kumdo....pls image that if Japanese swing around rapier that French fencing sword like cheerleading with dressing English kelt,and then the playing would be popular and spread in many country....suddenly the Japanese make public like that "Japacing is Japanese traditional martial art,and Kelt is Japanese wear originally!! it is different art originally since Japacing doesn't wear any armor."
>>Korea had their own way of swordsmanship. However, during the Japanese occupation, the japanese ordered for all martial arts equipment across Korea to be destroyed including the swordsmanship of Korea. >> Ha-ha. A Korean is funny. Has the Korean forgotten traditional culture in only 35 years? It is written that Korea despised martial arts with a Chinese document in the times of Korea dynasty. I do it before a long way off than Japan annexes Korea in the time.
First off,there is no principle in Haidon Gumdo. It doesn't have Iai or Kata because its style was not created for fighting but just dancing performance. 2:48 How can swordsman show his back to the enemy? Not practical at all.
@marz12aug The movement is showy and unpolished???? Have you EVER known anyone who has studied this??? The movements are exact and precise, each one having a target on the body of the enemy. Japan, Korea, and China all have different kinds of clothes for different kinds of activities. And I wouldn't say any of this is an imitation. If there is anything not Korean then it's a result of Japan's 40 year long attempt to kill the Korean culture at the end of a gun.
For 李氏朝鮮 Korea 500 years of the Confucian country, I idealized the political idea of Confucius. Therefore it deviated from the mainstream, and the military officer who I regarded a civil officer as important, and diminished the position of the military officer low went out of fashion. The martial arts do not develop in such an environment, too. (as for what there was only as for police function)
Secondly, "do" of "Gum-do" means 'route' or 'path' in Chinese and 'principle' or 'way' in Japanese. But Korea never had conception of "do" in its history. It's the proof that gumdo is just copy of Kendo. I'm not accusing them for copying, but I just want them to stop lying and fabricating history.
@heishomon Korea was a hermit kingdom before Japan invaded. And if there is any lack of evidence it's Japan's fault. The Japanese tried to destroy the Korean language, culture, and history. So don't you DARE even IMPLY that Japan did any service to Korea by it's tyrannical 40 year ILLEGAL reign. And it doesn't make any damn sense for a country that has such a history of war to only be good at archery.
Why does the Japanese accuse the forged Korea samurai and Korea martial arts? As for the reason, Korea samurai and the Korea martial arts of the imitation insist on a genuine Japanese samurai and the origin of the martial arts, and this is because it pollutes a Japanese samurai and the honor of the martial arts, and an usurption does Japan samurai culture.
@unkeihokusai Haidong Gumdo and Kumdo copied Kendo, a si? cuantas clases de Haidong has visto yo he visto muchas de kendo y te puedo decir que no tienen nada que ver una con la otra para criticar hay que saber lo que se critica to you? Haidong few classes I've seen seen a lot of kendo and I can tell you have nothing to do with each other to criticize is to know what is criticized
Thus? Why do they wear a hakama of a Japanese samurai? Why do not they wear a Korean traditional dress? Are they shameless people? Give me your opinion.
@heishomon 1st: I AM NOT A KOREAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am an American with a history degree. 2nd: "no objection means consent"? That is the most backward, selfish, unenlightened argument I have ever heard. That's like saying the rape of a young girl by an older man is not rape because she didn't say the word "no" even though she was crying and obviously didn't want to have sex. 3rd: Neither one of us will convince the other. This debate is pointless. I am liberal, you are seemingly conservative. bye
What kind of Korean history is connected with kendo? Does it prove that Japanese culture comes from Korea that the Korean history is old? A ridiculous delusion.
Thus? Why do they wear a hakama of a Japanese samurai? Why do not they wear a Korean traditional dress? Are they shameless people? Give me your opinion.
@sanriuk Congratulations on your 1st Dan!!!!!!!!!! I should be able to test for mine later next year. I've been training for 8 months now and I'm really in love with it. My master is really incredible. She's a 2nd or 3rd Dan in Taekwando and Hapkido respectively, and she encourages me to learn one of them. Still debating. But HDGD is my 1st love. I never realized that martial arts were so popular in Mexico. I'm really happy about that though. Mexico is an intriguing country.
Korea's a sort of intermediary area between Japan and China, so there are a lot of influences from them in Korea, and vice-versa. The katana design was adapted from one type of Korean blade.
However, kumdo itself was adapted from Japanese gekkeiken (now called kendo) and kenjutsu after the Japanese occupation to boost morale and feel less powerless against invaders. Kumdo's influences from both Japan and China, with some of the stances and positions in the video.
@sanriuk No, I was unable to. I had only been learning for two months when the Championships rolled around. I see a lot of HDGD videos from Mexican martial artists. Is it really popular there??
Wow, ANOTHER Korea vs Japan discussion. This never gets old (yes it does, and very quickly).
Ignore your cultural bias and watch the video for what it is, a truely amazing display of cutting techniques and choreographed sparring.
hello; thanks to comments, you can obtain but information, in the international federation of haidong gumdo greetings from mexico
It varies by school. Some use point systems similar to Kendo with legal and illegal targets. Others use "first hit/ you're dead" where any hit is legal.
Some use soft padded armour and allow thrusts. Others don't use any armour and usually disallow thrusts.
Best to check with the school.
the Clans have their own form,we can answer the famous Samurai's name when seeing the form.for example,setting up Katana on right head is Musashi's form and forming the end of Katana downward to left side shoestring catch like quarter moon is Jyubei Yagyu,but its are glitz and eccentrically for the view of technic basically.
Korean style is cool but its like TV show and the form is assembled discretely....
it seems korea takes many martial arts and suits them to their needs- tae kwon do is just a mix of karate and kungfu..
kumdo looks like a mix of wudang jian style with kenjutsu
To the 'mcdojo' commenter: I really doubt these guys do this for self defense, but for the coolness/traditional factor. My BJJ instructor teaches this also and he makes no claims to its validity in a street fight. Only that it's a really REALLY fun traditional martial art to learn.
i never said kendo was more tratitional i just have a tendency to write comments badly lol i meant that while kendo is more like sport fencing and enshin ryu and haidong gumdo are actual sword methods used in real life fights way back in oldie times.
both types are just as "traditional" and gumdo IS heavily influenced by kendo, but there are differences in the fighting styles. Kendo focuses on looking for openings and getting the perfect "one strike." Gumdo, on the other hand, focuses on compact, rapid attacks in order to create an opening and then how to exploit that opening. Both styles are just as effective as the other, although i'll admit, gumdo DOES look cooler.
@sanriuk Thanks for backing me up. And it's great to meet a fellow student of HDGD. I think I have an advantage because I study here in Korea. Where do you study?
Whats the name of the song in the part where they start cutting bamboos?
Did you look at the website that I showed?
damn thts awesome! i wana learn this stuff
@lrodrigomoreno ok rodrigo respeto tu opinion aunque si se pued eme gustaria saber en detalle cuales consideras los mas estilizados a mi me gusta la critica constructiva GRACIAS
:) To be honest the sparring shown in the clip was a prepared choreographed demonstration. Very impressive but not entirely realistic. Real sparring, like baseball , is more fun to do than to watch ;)
bit like kendo or enshin ryu really although kendo is more a traditional fencing as i assume you know.
1.
Kumdo/Gumdo is the Korean pronunciation of Kendo and it was introduced into the Korean Peninsula from Japan during the period of the Japanese protectorate and annexation (1895-1945). Before that martial arts didn't exist in Korea. So it's never a traditional Korean martial art from ancient times.
It's true that Koreans began learning sword skills from Chinese and they called it 本國劍 / 本国剣 in the 18th century, but it didn't catch on.
/watch?v=xcc3_iBmMyM
looks very cool... more versatile looking than kendo.
@toro1 Me agrada que no lo tomes a mal. No estoy muy seguro de a que te refieres con tu pregunta. Me lo podrías aclarar por favor? Para no contestar babosadas.
3.
What Koreans are doing now is a creation based on Japanese Kendo. But because the new martial art required Koreans to make a difference from Kendo, they adopted flashy action stunts like jumping or spinning.
First, you Koreans must set out the records of HaedongKumdo before 1970s if you can.
@sakura0jp0aikidodesu yo practico haidong gumdo desde hace 8 años y veo que algunos japoneses o practicantes de iaido o kendo critican nuestra tecnica, mi pregunta? como puedes criticar algo que no conoces
Haidong Gumdo I practice for 8 years and I see some Japanese or iaido or kendo practitioners criticize our technique, my question? how can you criticize something you do not know
This is gumdo? I dont see how this is practical like kendo.
"black belt rank" is only the beginning. In most legitimate arts, it takes perhaps four dedicated years to reach what westerners consider "black belt." From there, it takes years to achieve new ranks. Black belt is only the beginning of perfecting the art, not "mastery."
what just a few people know is that haidong gumdo is the extraction of the ninja sword style and kendo is of the samurais you can just see it, look the diferences of this both beautiful ways of the sword. This info cant be founded on internet, event if you ask to a master he would lie you, I get the info travelilng the world and i decide to give it to the people ho is saying bad stuff about this art both art good arts they are just diferent THE TRUTH IS CLEARLY FOR THE ONE HO WANTS TO SEE IT XD
@toro1 Estoy de acuerdo contigo; uno no puede criticar lo que no conoce, pero hasta cierto punto un kendoka se puede dar idea sobre el haidong gumdo. Por ejemplo, lo movimientos son demasiado estilizados y gastan energía de manera poco útil, lo cual lo hace poco práctico como arte marcial. De lo demás no comento porque no sé.
right sword fighting is a art work not just swinging it around
If "Fake Samurai & Kendo" is retrieved, you understand the truth.
And blade angle.
Someone needs to do their homework. Haedong gumdo has been around for decades and is huge, with federations in over 6 countries. "mcdojo" arts are usually isolated, with only a handful of dojos. Also, traditional gumdo goes back centuries, almost as far back as kendo.
and another thing, "embarassingly flashy"? go ahead and tell me what you consider a "real" martial art and i'll bet i can find a dozen "embarassingly flashy" videos about it.
i am leaning Aikido and Iaido a liitle of bit.
Japanese sword methods is separated about one hundred or more,Yagyu-shnganryu,Yagyu-shinkageryu,Muso-shindenryu,Jigo-tenshinryu etc...since the families or clans had developed respectively the sword method to fight against climate and climate in age of civil strife ;Sengoku era(戦国時代).
i know Gumdo or Kumudo are style of Korean sword method,but why they didn't have any load...then they become play twiddle diddle dancing with Katana now?...
Quisedecir, federico.
There is not the Korean fact that the samurai existed in history.
There is neither the society scenery created historically nor the inevitability.
Though there is not the base which existed, the person forging Korea samurai spreads a lie.
I imitate a Japanese samurai and divert castles of Japan to their HP and develop the false martial arts that I forged for an image of Japan.
The words are good for you.
Kendo develops from kenjutsu. kenjutsu is battle skill for Japanese battlefield and the Japanese equipment. thats not connected with Korea at all.
And, as for the Japanese sword and the Japanese equipment, the history of the development is supported by many inheritances.
ummmm... the koreans made had that sword first... the japanese just mastered the making of it and the japanese katana is longer
Los japoneses no tienen nada tan espectacular con la espada... el Iaido no está mal pero no tiene nada que ver con esto...
Koreans Are the Forraner of that sword dude.
Oye rodrigo, supongo que al menos reconoces que el gumdo es una copia del estilo tradicional japonés. Gumdo tiene orígenes muy recientes, como en los 80 o 90, no es un arte marcial coreano.
Why quarrel? We're all humans after all, and no one can say the other is better or worst unless he/she has attained the highest level in KENDO/GUMDO Both are martial arts using sword and if we wanna see which is the best i'm sure there is competition between this 2 art anytime in the year.
By the way, we are all descendant of Homosapiens thats the truth
@5gyupsal and right, all comes from china
@toro1
hola! agradezca a Espana en el desastre de Fukushima.we like flamenco,many women learn the class in Japan.i have learned Aikido about 20 years and Iaido for a few years only.i am greenness it is shorter career then must study more.well,you mistook.people getting really angry are just regular people in Japan.since Bushido prohibit to pass judgment each other.then if my act come out to my teacher,i will be ban.
hi if it is much but versatil that kendo, kendo is single combat do not learn anything of the use of the steel sword, single in the iaido one but very it is limited single katas, are no steps battle, do not learn kenjutsu, in haidong gumdo learns all. greetings
why Japanese are confused to Korean Gumdo and Kumdo....pls image that if Japanese swing around rapier that French fencing sword like cheerleading with dressing English kelt,and then the playing would be popular and spread in many country....suddenly the Japanese make public like that "Japacing is Japanese traditional martial art,and Kelt is Japanese wear originally!!
it is different art originally since Japacing doesn't wear any armor."
wow Oo
>>Korea had their own way of swordsmanship. However, during the Japanese occupation, the japanese ordered for all martial arts equipment across Korea to be destroyed including the swordsmanship of Korea. >>
Ha-ha. A Korean is funny.
Has the Korean forgotten traditional culture in only 35 years?
It is written that Korea despised martial arts with a Chinese document in the times of Korea dynasty.
I do it before a long way off than Japan annexes Korea in the time.
First off,there is no principle in Haidon Gumdo. It doesn't have Iai or Kata because its style was not created for fighting but just dancing performance. 2:48 How can swordsman show his back to the enemy? Not practical at all.
@marz12aug The movement is showy and unpolished???? Have you EVER known anyone who has studied this??? The movements are exact and precise, each one having a target on the body of the enemy. Japan, Korea, and China all have different kinds of clothes for different kinds of activities. And I wouldn't say any of this is an imitation. If there is anything not Korean then it's a result of Japan's 40 year long attempt to kill the Korean culture at the end of a gun.
For 李氏朝鮮 Korea 500 years of the Confucian country, I idealized the political idea of Confucius. Therefore it deviated from the mainstream, and the military officer who I regarded a civil officer as important, and diminished the position of the military officer low went out of fashion.
The martial arts do not develop in such an environment, too.
(as for what there was only as for police function)
Secondly, "do" of "Gum-do" means 'route' or 'path' in Chinese and 'principle' or 'way' in Japanese. But Korea never had conception of "do" in its history. It's the proof that gumdo is just copy of Kendo. I'm not accusing them for copying, but I just want them to stop lying and fabricating history.
Clothes are Japanese imitation.
A sword is Japanese imitation, too.
And the movement is showy,unpolished
Music "the last samurai"
Laughing.
@heishomon Korea was a hermit kingdom before Japan invaded. And if there is any lack of evidence it's Japan's fault. The Japanese tried to destroy the Korean language, culture, and history. So don't you DARE even IMPLY that Japan did any service to Korea by it's tyrannical 40 year ILLEGAL reign. And it doesn't make any damn sense for a country that has such a history of war to only be good at archery.
Why does the Japanese accuse the forged Korea samurai and Korea martial arts?
As for the reason, Korea samurai and the Korea martial arts of the imitation insist on a genuine Japanese samurai and the origin of the martial arts, and this is because it pollutes a Japanese samurai and the honor of the martial arts, and an usurption does Japan samurai culture.
@unkeihokusai Haidong Gumdo and Kumdo copied Kendo, a si? cuantas clases de Haidong has visto yo he visto muchas de kendo y te puedo decir que no tienen nada que ver una con la otra para criticar hay que saber lo que se critica to you? Haidong few classes I've seen seen a lot of kendo and I can tell you have nothing to do with each other to criticize is to know what is criticized
i don't want hear my favorite KODO's drum music on this fake video.
Thus?
Why do they wear a hakama of a Japanese samurai?
Why do not they wear a Korean traditional dress?
Are they shameless people?
Give me your opinion.
More like a V8. Coke, Pepsi, diet or otherwise will all rot your teeth :)
@heishomon 1st: I AM NOT A KOREAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am an American with a history degree. 2nd: "no objection means consent"? That is the most backward, selfish, unenlightened argument I have ever heard. That's like saying the rape of a young girl by an older man is not rape because she didn't say the word "no" even though she was crying and obviously didn't want to have sex. 3rd: Neither one of us will convince the other. This debate is pointless. I am liberal, you are seemingly conservative. bye
An embarrassingly flashy demonstration like this is one of the features common to all fake-ass macdojo arts. Really sad.
What kind of Korean history is connected with kendo?
Does it prove that Japanese culture comes from Korea that the Korean history is old?
A ridiculous delusion.
typical korean copy from japan
The fake
so fake
Thus?
Why do they wear a hakama of a Japanese samurai?
Why do not they wear a Korean traditional dress?
Are they shameless people?
Give me your opinion.