I will continue to ride my EUC off road, all PEVs should be made legal and be regulated. PEVs are no more dangerous than bicycles and should be treated the same, laws in this country are ridiculous
You’re right, I’m sick of the stupid rules in this country punishing the working people and favouring the rich and big business, I’ve emailed my MP about the escooters and that they should be legal but she’s rubbish at responding 🙄
I’m glad e-scooters are legal in Finland.. I just cannot afford electric car yet and I dont want to use my diesel car whenever I don’t have to… Even tho I have to pay 580€ every year for emissions on my car (amount doesn’t depend if used or not)
The 6 points on your licence seems way over the top. I’ve just bought an e scooter as a means of running local errands in an environmentally friendly way. I was and am aware of the potential implications, however I am willing to take the risk. Change won’t happen unless people rebel against the system.
The UK has always been a country with common sense, and it is shocking to see they still don't sit down and think about how to regulate these personal vehicles. They should be conscious that, whether they like it or not, electric vehicles of any kind will be the vehicles of the planet in a near future.
The e scooter trials across the UK end in November 2021. I have tried a legal e scooter and they are great fun. The problem we have is this world is controlled by lawyers where there is blame there is a claim. The UK government will stay safe and if escooters are approved in 2022 they will never be allowed over 250w. The biggest problem is the people who make the laws are old and will never use an escooter so they don't care. UK citizens will never be able to enjoy e scooters because the UK government will kick the fun out of it. Forget any electric transport apart from a £70,000 Tesla.
I see more and more people riding them. Hopefully this will over load the legal system which will be good and what happened with CB radio many years ago. I'm fit enough at the moment to ride a manual one.
I got pulled riding Euc on a country road by a motorcycle police... In broad daylight I was in full safety gear plus hi viz and wearing kick arse rear lights... I was told my vehicle could be impounded and destroyed and that I could be liable for a £300 fine as well has having 6 points put on my driving license... luckily after I promised I would ride home on a farm track and not ride the road again the guy let me go, conversely I have ridden passed police in bristol city and not been bothered at all.. I think at the moment individual officers are using their discretion .... I would encourage anyone riding pevs and particularly Euc s in public areas to wear full safety and hi viz at all times and more importantly to be extremely aware of and considerate to other road users especially around cyclists, children, animals... if we fuck it up officers may well be tasked with cracking down on all pevs
Interesting video and THANKS for the info. I'm Czech and I live in Germany but I'm moving back to CZ soon and I was considering getting an EUC at first but decided against it in favour of a traditional mobility scooter because I really do have legitimate mobility issues. The laws in both countries are pretty much the same: a mobility scooter user has the right to use either car lanes or pedestrian conveyances at will, and can switch between them as needed or desired, however you must abide by the pertinent regulations for each conveyance, namely if you're using the sidewalk, you follow the light signals designated for pedestrians and use the pedestrian crossings. If you're using the road, you follow the rules of the road, which means you need a driver's license and zero alcohol (in CZ) among other regulations. I've not researched the insurance aspect yet.
Sounds heartbreaking. I can't imagine not being able to ride the streets like I do now. It just seems like some localities are way behind the times. Holding back progress for what?
I am afraid our government has lost touch with reality. Too busy flapping over party-gate rather than getting on with helping people with rising energy costs. PEVs are perfect solution to reduce fuel and transportation costs. Whatever happened to the promise that the government was going to make at the queen's speech on opening parliament ?
In the Netherlands we got similar problem. Only a handful pev are legal, which are specifically chosen by the minister. Hopefully EUC, Onewheel etc. will be legalised in 2023. In Belgium it is already legal since 2016. Will there be a big protest in the UK?
For the record, I have ridden my scooter 4km each way to work for the last two years. I am not looking forward to any changes in the UK law on PEVs. Currently, it’s all a bit grey and the police are able use discretion to maintain safety. i.e. If a PEV user is riding dangerously, then throw the book at them. If on the other hand they are being considerate and safe (and that means walking on busy pavements and also most road junctions) they turn a blind eye. Most British motorists are not ready to share the roads with PEVs (legal or not) and negotiating a busy junction on a scooter is tricky and requires the rider to trust their safety to drivers. If the law allows mixed road and pavement use , I feel some individuals will use this to behave in ways, which might be legal but not safe (to be clear here, I mostly mean negotiating road junctions and roundabouts at the same time as cars). I would like to continue riding my scooter in a legal grey area, hoping that the police I come across have the judgement to see my actions as safe and allow my passage. If they see me acting like an idiot, I expect them to take action, and as the law stands now, they have the power to do so.
Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency maybe could give you licence but I am not familiar with the laws in UK. Libertarians such as me want private cities where the owners decide everything (transport, vehicle type, taxes, public services) in a competition with each other. If their laws would be outdated they loose profit. I hope one day I can use my money to achieve this beautiful free world - by selling more and more ediwheel -s.
Steve, great video and I like how balanced you were about the Police, for me the world is changing and we need to embrace new technology, the law needs to change to reflect how things are now not 200 years ago, then the Police can focus on the 1 percent of society that would abuse E scooters and deal with them, the same way they do with the 1 percent who cause nuisance with cars, not Dr's and normal law abiding folk who want to commute without killing the planet.
I had 3 Unycicle I sold all of them , those was killers machines , good for work circus . Than is illegal in UK , and I had bad accident damage forever my elbow . I prefer e bike more safe
Agreed, the MOST FUN EVER, but when it goes wrong, you’re in a world of pain. I was in a pretty bad way after a cut off and still have a slight elbow and shoulder problem 2 years later.
I have to say I pretty much agree with all your views and comments. Would make sense if e-scooters were made legal, say, matching the current specification for eapc's [some limits are needed], and be used wherever a e-bike could. My biggest concern with e-scooters [if made legal versions] & e-bikes is that many people would de-restrict them and we'd be back to square one with the whole "e" related issues again. Good sensible video Steve, and you did well to remind people of the consequences when things go wrong, which they invariably do sooner or later.
I am disabled and use a motability scooter pavement class which has a max speed of 4mph the bigger scooters have a switch that allows them to travel at 8mph but you must go on the road at that speed, Anyway I digress I would like to get a escooter with a seat for those longer journeys and see plenty available at reasonable prices. However I wont purchase until the government produce legislation and manufactures produce escooters that comply with that legislation. Hopefully it wont be much longer as Grant Shapps the transport secretary seems to be pointing to doing just that possibly in 2023. Until then for the reasons you gave I will wait. Good video thanks for sharing
I'm definitely thinking of getting an e scooter, but I'm waiting for the clear legislation for what e scooter users need to do to make them legal they'll be hugely beneficial for me and be a perfect alternative to a car which I've never been able to own but if the tax insurance and licensing is required if the info via Google is correct cost for these seem very affordable
Campaigning for the laws to be changed isn't getting much traction because people don't see any headway being made into actually changing the laws. The government seems to be basically ignoring such campaigns. As a result, people find it much easier to just go away and buy a car.
Interesting how different life is in different cities. Living in Los Angeles. People leave scooters all over the place. Many people don’t bother wearing helmets. Most cyclists on trails are polite but some come up behind hikers and just expect the hikers to move with no or almost no notice. The e-transporters really tear up the hiking trails. I think they are great on public roads or in designated bike lanes, but not on sidewalks and not taking up a traffic lane. I’d set the fine for no helmet at $1,000 for the first infraction, double it for each subsequent infraction. Similar for when kids load two or three teenagers on one scooter.
👍🤛I'm with you all the way brv.... Apart from the fact I'm just off out for a ride 🤠 I'm over 3000 miles now on all my personal transport.....2 Police chases and a few kind words from CID. Live life on the edge ......Hooooraahhh EUC Essex 🤛
Personally I will keep riding... i commute/ride 50miles a week and I don’t think the demand for these things is going away... I think testing will be coming up though... I definitely think that you should be a confident and proficient rider with several hundred miles experience before riding anywhere in public, pevs are fast now and smashing into a kid wobbling along the cycle path or similar is the last thing anyone needs... also it takes road sense to ride with traffic I would suggest cbt as an absolute minimum as well as a self imposed speed limit on cycle paths
I hope that US never adopts such draconian laws such as the UK. Fall in line citizen, buy your car, everything else is illegal. Join the congested traffic and participate in the rat race that is the modern day commune, no fun allowed. Eat, sleep, OBEY!
United States Federal regulations Forest Service, Bureau of Land Management, and National Park Service regulations categorize eMTBs as a “motorized” use. Therefore, eMTBs are only permitted where motorized vehicles are allowed. Do you mean draconian laws such as this.
Looks like the rules may hopefully change? Something about an announcement in May. Will you consider buying one again now? I’m thinking about it now before the prices go up if/when they do go legal! Also thinking before they start to sell only speed limited ones
@@josheagle8551 I believe they have put down draft proposals for a transport bill are tabled and working their way through the house. I’ve just got one and practicing to ride so by the time it’s legal I’ll be out like a bat out of hell!!
The law is skewed, bicycles and electric bicycles are encouraged while other PEV's in some instances are persecuted. I ride EUC's in the UK, I have 3rd party liability for £5 million and yet bicycles have no insurance and are legal to ride on roads.
The biggest misconception seems to be I don't have a license it will not matter they just keep the points until you get one and you have a provisional with six points on it so if they do make them legal and you need a provisional license you will pay more to get insurance all this is to protect other people if the young girl was badly injured you would be looking at a civil claim with no insurance to pay damages at the moment you are not identifiable but if they become legal that will change the legal e-byke is power assisted but only to low speed the thing is they have done you a favour by not having a legal type when they do legalise them and agree on a type any modified e-scooter or e-byke that fails that requirement can legally be crushed and you will not get them returned we had that problem with off road motorbikes the police caught and crushed them end of problem
Great Conservative government you have their. I thought Conservatives like to encourage the responsibility created from owning property. This law punishes the poor for owning their transportation but green lights an inconvenient rental scheme for the corporate lobby. Have they heard of the climate change caused by CO2 emissions and that we should be doing everything they can to combat that? I like your idea of a 18mph limit and would support seeing police enforce that regulation on PEVs and have these fines for speeders and illegal modded vehicles.
Excellent analysis from someone with real world experience. Until the situation is clarified I think you've definitely made the right decision. Personally I feel this issue is basically one of public liability. No minister is going to put their name behind this form of transport in a non-commercial setting and potentially take the political flak when an elderly person or mother with a baby in a pram gets mowed down and seriously injured by someone on an uninsured e-scooter. If the UK was more like the Netherlands with dedicated cycle lanes then great but even despite climate change there's already far too many different users on the pavements for these to become viable and perceived as anything other than a public nuisance.
Watch out! In the Netherlands EUC's and scooters are Forbidden! (maybe because they Make their own bikes and they don't them to be replaced by other electric vehicles???)
Its important to frame the context logically and fairly - taking people out of cars and onto PEV's will save lives. I agree a tumbling/sliding 35kg EUC is a risk to other road users but it is orders magnitude less risky than a tumbling/sliding 1000kg car. The reason I mention this, its really important when we speak to our elected aforementioned politicians and put pressure on them to update 1988 / 1835 legislation.
How many ebike riders,mobility scooter users carry insurance?not many I’ll wager,it’s only a matter of time before these vehicles are made legal,they are not going away.
Firstly, we should protect and enable pedestrians (and any form of disability aide). Then we should protect/enable cyclists, then PEV's, then cars. In terms of rules of speed restrictions, let's just do the math and work out the energy involved in any potential crashes/reaction times/braking distances.
You also made the point of someone being prosecuted in an accident. Well that can happen anyway even if you are insured and driving your car, you voted be prosecuted or sued privately if you hot someone with your car. Many people take out personal injury insurance so if they are sued the insurance defends them and pays any fines due to negligence or accidents. But there are some escooters you can insure and register as mopeds, one of my own used to be insured but now for some reason it has been removed from the insurance list, it is registered as a moped but no one will insure it any more, you can insure its baby brother though, and get MOT free road tax but you have to wear a motorcycle helmet and are restricted to all things moped. So pretty much pointless.
Mobility scooters aren allowed to go any faster than 4mph on the pavement anyway, so if you stick by those rules on the pavement there should be no problem, the thing is it's all about the legislation
Seriously maybe move out of the UK, is it really worth it to not be able to ride your EUCs... For the cost of 3 scooters and 2 EUC's that would certainly cover a plane ticket somewhere .
Yea totally they take the dna from unborn babies I heard, and you can totally believe that. And I'm sure in no way was that rumor or crazy but true fact has anything to do with the oil company lobby. Not wanting PEV's to take over their market share.... Shocking Shocking Shocking.
E vehicles are our future. We should all stand up and fight for our right to choose this mode of transportation! Accommodations on the roadways need to be made and these draconian laws need to be amended accordingly. Bro you seem like a great guy but you are teaching the government how to treat you. Stand up for what is right! How about you lead the charge for change instead of acquiescing?
OK I've only gone a little way through your video and need to make a correction. Disability scooters are by law limited to 4 mph on the pavement and 12 mph on the road, however they used at faster speeds on both situations. Right so now we have that out the way. Under the law able bodied people are being discriminated against, it is illegal for an able bodied person to use a powered wheel chair or scooter, so under the laws on discrimination the law is frustrated. Now to the point about you selling you rides because,of the law, technically you are right about the law, but in order to change a bad law that law has to be challenged which is pretty much what we are all doing in order to get the laws changed to something more sensible, the govt has promised change is coming but for some reason it has become a political issue. If people rode these things using sense they woukd have been made legal a long time ago, just think how bad people drive cars, we're cars a new invention to the market today they would be banned. 1.5 million people world wide killed each year roughly by road use of conventional vehicles, multi millions of people seriously injured with permanent and temporary injuries every year from cars alone. An EUC or Escooter ridden sensibly is a very safe vehicle, there is no danger from either vehicle on the pavement if people ride at a walking pace ie around 4 mph the danger only comes in when they behave badly which is mostly down to youths. Children are given leave to ride their bikes on the pavement and they often ride into people, under 14 year olds can ride their bikes on the pavement legally and they often don't ride slow. The point is the law is wrong the lack of sense is astounding in the general public, so the law remains a problem to tackle the idiots. But think of this would you prefer to an idiot behind the wheel of a car or on an escooter going a maximum speed of around 20 mph. 1.5 million a yeR with multiple millions every year killed and injured because of bad driving, which do you think is safer for the public a car or an escooter/EUC rider. There are over a million riders in the UK alone its time for change,eave the car at home.
I will continue to ride my EUC off road, all PEVs should be made legal and be regulated. PEVs are no more dangerous than bicycles and should be treated the same, laws in this country are ridiculous
You’re right, I’m sick of the stupid rules in this country punishing the working people and favouring the rich and big business, I’ve emailed my MP about the escooters and that they should be legal but she’s rubbish at responding 🙄
I’m glad e-scooters are legal in Finland.. I just cannot afford electric car yet and I dont want to use my diesel car whenever I don’t have to… Even tho I have to pay 580€ every year for emissions on my car (amount doesn’t depend if used or not)
The 6 points on your licence seems way over the top. I’ve just bought an e scooter as a means of running local errands in an environmentally friendly way. I was and am aware of the potential implications, however I am willing to take the risk. Change won’t happen unless people rebel against the system.
The UK has always been a country with common sense, and it is shocking to see they still don't sit down and think about how to regulate these personal vehicles. They should be conscious that, whether they like it or not, electric vehicles of any kind will be the vehicles of the planet in a near future.
The e scooter trials across the UK end in November 2021. I have tried a legal e scooter and they are great fun. The problem we have is this world is controlled by lawyers where there is blame there is a claim. The UK government will stay safe and if escooters are approved in 2022 they will never be allowed over 250w.
The biggest problem is the people who make the laws are old and will never use an escooter so they don't care.
UK citizens will never be able to enjoy e scooters because the UK government will kick the fun out of it.
Forget any electric transport apart from a £70,000 Tesla.
I see more and more people riding them. Hopefully this will over load the legal system which will be good and what happened with CB radio many years ago. I'm fit enough at the moment to ride a manual one.
I got pulled riding Euc on a country road by a motorcycle police... In broad daylight I was in full safety gear plus hi viz and wearing kick arse rear lights... I was told my vehicle could be impounded and destroyed and that I could be liable for a £300 fine as well has having 6 points put on my driving license... luckily after I promised I would ride home on a farm track and not ride the road again the guy let me go, conversely I have ridden passed police in bristol city and not been bothered at all.. I think at the moment individual officers are using their discretion .... I would encourage anyone riding pevs and particularly Euc s in public areas to wear full safety and hi viz at all times and more importantly to be extremely aware of and considerate to other road users especially around cyclists, children, animals... if we fuck it up officers may well be tasked with cracking down on all pevs
Great advice!
I still use mine for work, but I go through the marshes. I don't hit any main roads.
Interesting video and THANKS for the info. I'm Czech and I live in Germany but I'm moving back to CZ soon and I was considering getting an EUC at first but decided against it in favour of a traditional mobility scooter because I really do have legitimate mobility issues. The laws in both countries are pretty much the same: a mobility scooter user has the right to use either car lanes or pedestrian conveyances at will, and can switch between them as needed or desired, however you must abide by the pertinent regulations for each conveyance, namely if you're using the sidewalk, you follow the light signals designated for pedestrians and use the pedestrian crossings. If you're using the road, you follow the rules of the road, which means you need a driver's license and zero alcohol (in CZ) among other regulations. I've not researched the insurance aspect yet.
Sounds heartbreaking. I can't imagine not being able to ride the streets like I do now. It just seems like some localities are way behind the times. Holding back progress for what?
I am afraid our government has lost touch with reality. Too busy flapping over party-gate rather than getting on with helping people with rising energy costs. PEVs are perfect solution to reduce fuel and transportation costs. Whatever happened to the promise that the government was going to make at the queen's speech on opening parliament ?
In the Netherlands we got similar problem. Only a handful pev are legal, which are specifically chosen by the minister. Hopefully EUC, Onewheel etc. will be legalised in 2023. In Belgium it is already legal since 2016.
Will there be a big protest in the UK?
For the record, I have ridden my scooter 4km each way to work for the last two years. I am not looking forward to any changes in the UK law on PEVs. Currently, it’s all a bit grey and the police are able use discretion to maintain safety. i.e. If a PEV user is riding dangerously, then throw the book at them. If on the other hand they are being considerate and safe (and that means walking on busy pavements and also most road junctions) they turn a blind eye. Most British motorists are not ready to share the roads with PEVs (legal or not) and negotiating a busy junction on a scooter is tricky and requires the rider to trust their safety to drivers. If the law allows mixed road and pavement use , I feel some individuals will use this to behave in ways, which might be legal but not safe (to be clear here, I mostly mean negotiating road junctions and roundabouts at the same time as cars). I would like to continue riding my scooter in a legal grey area, hoping that the police I come across have the judgement to see my actions as safe and allow my passage. If they see me acting like an idiot, I expect them to take action, and as the law stands now, they have the power to do so.
Makes sense 👍
Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency maybe could give you licence but I am not familiar with the laws in UK. Libertarians such as me want private cities where the owners decide everything (transport, vehicle type, taxes, public services) in a competition with each other. If their laws would be outdated they loose profit. I hope one day I can use my money to achieve this beautiful free world - by selling more and more ediwheel -s.
So, what if you paint your personal scooter, to look like a rental scooter? 🤔
Steve, great video and I like how balanced you were about the Police, for me the world is changing and we need to embrace new technology, the law needs to change to reflect how things are now not 200 years ago, then the Police can focus on the 1 percent of society that would abuse E scooters and deal with them, the same way they do with the 1 percent who cause nuisance with cars, not Dr's and normal law abiding folk who want to commute without killing the planet.
I had 3 Unycicle I sold all of them , those was killers machines , good for work circus . Than is illegal in UK , and I had bad accident damage forever my elbow . I prefer e bike more safe
Agreed, the MOST FUN EVER, but when it goes wrong, you’re in a world of pain.
I was in a pretty bad way after a cut off and still have a slight elbow and shoulder problem 2 years later.
I have to say I pretty much agree with all your views and comments. Would make sense if e-scooters were made legal, say, matching the current specification for eapc's [some limits are needed], and be used wherever a e-bike could. My biggest concern with e-scooters [if made legal versions] & e-bikes is that many people would de-restrict them and we'd be back to square one with the whole "e" related issues again. Good sensible video Steve, and you did well to remind people of the consequences when things go wrong, which they invariably do sooner or later.
I am disabled and use a motability scooter pavement class which has a max speed of 4mph the bigger scooters have a switch that allows them to travel at 8mph but you must go on the road at that speed, Anyway I digress I would like to get a escooter with a seat for those longer journeys and see plenty available at reasonable prices. However I wont purchase until the government produce legislation and manufactures produce escooters that comply with that legislation. Hopefully it wont be much longer as Grant Shapps the transport secretary seems to be pointing to doing just that possibly in 2023. Until then for the reasons you gave I will wait. Good video thanks for sharing
Great points!
I'm definitely thinking of getting an e scooter, but I'm waiting for the clear legislation for what e scooter users need to do to make them legal they'll be hugely beneficial for me and be a perfect alternative to a car which I've never been able to own but if the tax insurance and licensing is required if the info via Google is correct cost for these seem very affordable
Campaigning for the laws to be changed isn't getting much traction because people don't see any headway being made into actually changing the laws. The government seems to be basically ignoring such campaigns. As a result, people find it much easier to just go away and buy a car.
So looks like they being legalised now. The new law will be out on the 10th of May.
🤞🏽
Interesting how different life is in different cities. Living in Los Angeles. People leave scooters all over the place. Many people don’t bother wearing helmets. Most cyclists on trails are polite but some come up behind hikers and just expect the hikers to move with no or almost no notice. The e-transporters really tear up the hiking trails. I think they are great on public roads or in designated bike lanes, but not on sidewalks and not taking up a traffic lane. I’d set the fine for no helmet at $1,000 for the first infraction, double it for each subsequent infraction. Similar for when kids load two or three teenagers on one scooter.
You're a sensible man Steve. I say come to the USA!
👍🤛I'm with you all the way brv....
Apart from the fact I'm just off out for a ride 🤠 I'm over 3000 miles now on all my personal transport.....2 Police chases and a few kind words from CID.
Live life on the edge ......Hooooraahhh
EUC Essex 🤛
Personally I will keep riding... i commute/ride 50miles a week and I don’t think the demand for these things is going away... I think testing will be coming up though... I definitely think that you should be a confident and proficient rider with several hundred miles experience before riding anywhere in public, pevs are fast now and smashing into a kid wobbling along the cycle path or similar is the last thing anyone needs... also it takes road sense to ride with traffic I would suggest cbt as an absolute minimum as well as a self imposed speed limit on cycle paths
This law need to be changed, asap clearly.
I hope that US never adopts such draconian laws such as the UK. Fall in line citizen, buy your car, everything else is illegal. Join the congested traffic and participate in the rat race that is the modern day commune, no fun allowed. Eat, sleep, OBEY!
United States Federal regulations
Forest Service, Bureau of Land Management, and National Park Service regulations categorize eMTBs as a “motorized” use. Therefore, eMTBs are only permitted where motorized vehicles are allowed. Do you mean draconian laws such as this.
Looks like the rules may hopefully change? Something about an announcement in May. Will you consider buying one again now? I’m thinking about it now before the prices go up if/when they do go legal! Also thinking before they start to sell only speed limited ones
Hi.
Legal = I’m back!
Announcement was today any one know if there legal now or not
@@josheagle8551 I believe they have put down draft proposals for a transport bill are tabled and working their way through the house. I’ve just got one and practicing to ride so by the time it’s legal I’ll be out like a bat out of hell!!
All they do is give you a Leaflet. Worst case £150 to get back. Long as you carry £150 you're good to go.
I agree with you
The law is skewed, bicycles and electric bicycles are encouraged while other PEV's in some instances are persecuted. I ride EUC's in the UK, I have 3rd party liability for £5 million and yet bicycles have no insurance and are legal to ride on roads.
The biggest misconception seems to be I don't have a license it will not matter they just keep the points until you get one and you have a provisional with six points on it so if they do make them legal and you need a provisional license you will pay more to get insurance all this is to protect other people if the young girl was badly injured you would be looking at a civil claim with no insurance to pay damages at the moment you are not identifiable but if they become legal that will change the legal e-byke is power assisted but only to low speed the thing is they have done you a favour by not having a legal type when they do legalise them and agree on a type any modified e-scooter or e-byke that fails that requirement can legally be crushed and you will not get them returned we had that problem with off road motorbikes the police caught and crushed them end of problem
have you heard of a thing called punctuation?
Can you review the fitness mirror VAHA?
I’ll have a look and see if I can get one.
Great Conservative government you have their. I thought Conservatives like to encourage the responsibility created from owning property. This law punishes the poor for owning their transportation but green lights an inconvenient rental scheme for the corporate lobby. Have they heard of the climate change caused by CO2 emissions and that we should be doing everything they can to combat that?
I like your idea of a 18mph limit and would support seeing police enforce that regulation on PEVs and have these fines for speeders and illegal modded vehicles.
Excellent analysis from someone with real world experience. Until the situation is clarified I think you've definitely made the right decision.
Personally I feel this issue is basically one of public liability. No minister is going to put their name behind this form of transport in a non-commercial setting and potentially take the political flak when an elderly person or mother with a baby in a pram gets mowed down and seriously injured by someone on an uninsured e-scooter.
If the UK was more like the Netherlands with dedicated cycle lanes then great but even despite climate change there's already far too many different users on the pavements for these to become viable and perceived as anything other than a public nuisance.
Watch out! In the Netherlands EUC's and scooters are Forbidden! (maybe because they Make their own bikes and they don't them to be replaced by other electric vehicles???)
Its important to frame the context logically and fairly - taking people out of cars and onto PEV's will save lives. I agree a tumbling/sliding 35kg EUC is a risk to other road users but it is orders magnitude less risky than a tumbling/sliding 1000kg car. The reason I mention this, its really important when we speak to our elected aforementioned politicians and put pressure on them to update 1988 / 1835 legislation.
How many ebike riders,mobility scooter users carry insurance?not many I’ll wager,it’s only a matter of time before these vehicles are made legal,they are not going away.
Firstly, we should protect and enable pedestrians (and any form of disability aide). Then we should protect/enable cyclists, then PEV's, then cars. In terms of rules of speed restrictions, let's just do the math and work out the energy involved in any potential crashes/reaction times/braking distances.
You also made the point of someone being prosecuted in an accident.
Well that can happen anyway even if you are insured and driving your car, you voted be prosecuted or sued privately if you hot someone with your car.
Many people take out personal injury insurance so if they are sued the insurance defends them and pays any fines due to negligence or accidents.
But there are some escooters you can insure and register as mopeds, one of my own used to be insured but now for some reason it has been removed from the insurance list, it is registered as a moped but no one will insure it any more, you can insure its baby brother though, and get MOT free road tax but you have to wear a motorcycle helmet and are restricted to all things moped.
So pretty much pointless.
Mobility scooters aren allowed to go any faster than 4mph on the pavement anyway, so if you stick by those rules on the pavement there should be no problem, the thing is it's all about the legislation
Get down to Bristol, Voi have got these everywhere and everyone is riding them
Plus everyone's riding private scooters and eucs here in the south west and the police are cool
Seriously maybe move out of the UK, is it really worth it to not be able to ride your EUCs... For the cost of 3 scooters and 2 EUC's that would certainly cover a plane ticket somewhere
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I'm glad you sold them its shocking whats involved in making the batteries.
Yea totally they take the dna from unborn babies I heard, and you can totally believe that. And I'm sure in no way was that rumor or crazy but true fact has anything to do with the oil company lobby. Not wanting PEV's to take over their market share.... Shocking Shocking Shocking.
Lame thank God I live in the usa
You can borrow my wheelchair if you like?
😂 I might take you up on that Jim!
@@SteveJulien I think that would be fun.
So you've given up on the fight to legalize PLEV's.
E vehicles are our future. We should all stand up and fight for our right to choose this mode of transportation! Accommodations on the roadways need to be made and these draconian laws need to be amended accordingly. Bro you seem like a great guy but you are teaching the government how to treat you. Stand up for what is right! How about you lead the charge for change instead of acquiescing?
OK I've only gone a little way through your video and need to make a correction.
Disability scooters are by law limited to 4 mph on the pavement and 12 mph on the road, however they used at faster speeds on both situations.
Right so now we have that out the way.
Under the law able bodied people are being discriminated against, it is illegal for an able bodied person to use a powered wheel chair or scooter, so under the laws on discrimination the law is frustrated.
Now to the point about you selling you rides because,of the law, technically you are right about the law, but in order to change a bad law that law has to be challenged which is pretty much what we are all doing in order to get the laws changed to something more sensible, the govt has promised change is coming but for some reason it has become a political issue.
If people rode these things using sense they woukd have been made legal a long time ago, just think how bad people drive cars, we're cars a new invention to the market today they would be banned.
1.5 million people world wide killed each year roughly by road use of conventional vehicles, multi millions of people seriously injured with permanent and temporary injuries every year from cars alone.
An EUC or Escooter ridden sensibly is a very safe vehicle, there is no danger from either vehicle on the pavement if people ride at a walking pace ie around 4 mph the danger only comes in when they behave badly which is mostly down to youths.
Children are given leave to ride their bikes on the pavement and they often ride into people, under 14 year olds can ride their bikes on the pavement legally and they often don't ride slow.
The point is the law is wrong the lack of sense is astounding in the general public, so the law remains a problem to tackle the idiots.
But think of this would you prefer to an idiot behind the wheel of a car or on an escooter going a maximum speed of around 20 mph.
1.5 million a yeR with multiple millions every year killed and injured because of bad driving, which do you think is safer for the public a car or an escooter/EUC rider.
There are over a million riders in the UK alone its time for change,eave the car at home.
My opinion ,leave the uk come to America