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- Denver Broncos QB Russell Wilson was benched with two games left in the season. Emmanuel Acho, Joy Taylor, James Jones and LeSean McCoy debate whether or not the benching is disrespectful towards Wilson.
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She's right...On every point..
Let's compare apples to apples.
Geno vs. Russ? Geno outplays Russ because of the team and Gino's supreme knowledge of the plays. Same thing with the Legion. They keep you in every game and win a few along the way.
You pay one player 5 billion and said player cries about needing more "superstars".
It's ALL on Russ. He did it to himself. We in Seattle saw it coming and trading him for what we got was mind blowing.
Sorry, Skippy is a D BAG!!!!
@@butchgriggs63254ws34435g5990
Letting a team put up 70 and losing to the Patriots just means the coaching is getting out coached....
That’s just not true haha Russ didn’t play good last Sunday 😊
@@Mystery1140He didn’t play good until the fourth quarter
@@TYreLL0416and they still lost.
@@Mystery1140who does he have to throw the ball too? Dude has zero playmakers. Surprised even had a good season with the lack of talent on that team
@aaronscott8252 no playmaker? So all those ridiculous td catches Sutton made and he's not a playmaker. Dude caught a ball that was headed for out of bounds and he still kept his toes in and grabbed it. To say Sutton is not a playmaker is delusional. Then we'll talk about jeudy, he is crazy fast and open a lot. Not his fault he has a qb who can't see half the field
Russ wasn’t playing D when they gave up 70. At least I don’t think.
Why couldn’t Wilson put up 70 points on the bills when they the Broncos D handed the ball to Wilson 5 extra times. Yet Wilson could only win by what 1 point how pathetic is that.
They tried him at safety
@@waynesonneman7343so I guess Russ throws and catches the ball too 🤷🏾 it’s a team sport 🤦🏾♂️ you got WR dropping balls n etc
Can’t afford better players if you paying Russ crazy bread
It’s not
Pick up basketball you don’t get the ball back after scoring.
The Broncos approached Russell wanting him to waive his injury clause and told him if he didn’t they’d bench him. Apparently he told them no on the clause
I'm sure Wilson laughed in their face when they asked him to do that.
Dude will be handed a $39 million dollar check on his way out the door. 😅
@@suicidality2744 sounds like they approached him with this back in October right after they beat the chiefs. Makes you wonder if the broncos were even supposed to win this many games since there’s no plan B. They won’t get one of the high QB picks, looks like they wanted to tank but plans went awry
I think so. The previous GM and owner gave RW a monster contract, they didn’t care because they were selling the team anyway.
@@suicidality2744same way as many NFL HC gotten fired, getting paid without putting in the work.
For one, Sean Payton has made some bad coaching decisions that has cost Denver games. Second, Denver's defense is not good. They have lost many games because of the defense. ALL teams need good defenses to win. Third, Denver's offensive line is not good. Russell is always running for his life. So, to say that it's all Russell Wilson's fault that Denver is losing is just crazy.
Yes, it's not all him. It's the team overvaluing him that's part of the problem. He's still a decent QB, but he's not at the level they paid for. Also, while the line isn't great, Wilson contributed to the bad line play with the way he plays. He's always had that problem, even in Seattle.
Adjust the Dolphins game, and you think their D isn't top tier!?
@@scratchpennyHow difficult it is for people to understand? As you say he was wildly overvalued. It’s not how he’s playing ok and it’s not all his fault. Of course it isn’t all his fault. You don’t hand over 7 players and that contract for average play. The next team that gets him will get what the paid for because the Broncos will be paying Wilson 39 million
The problem in Denver is they overvalued the talent around Russ for years they talked about they were a QB away but in reality they aren’t that close just look at the fact they gave up 70 points on defense
he sucks, overrated, you gave all your money to him, so what kind of players you think they can get him, get off your knees for he is overrated
tell us how many times you got dropped on your head as a child without telling us Shawn lol@@shawnj1843
@@shawnj1843 they wasn’t supposed to get players they were supposed to already have all the players but hey a defense giving up 70 points happens every week
Stop lying that's was 1 game with the Dolphins 70 loss
last 4 games
Patriots 26
Broncos 23
Lions 42
Broncos 17
Chragers 7
Bronocs 24
Texans 22
Broncos 17
He has won 17 & lost 27, get off your knees
@@shawnj1843 Hes Throwing to #2 wrs... He had good Wrs in Seattle, plain and simple. Most Qbs need reliable weapons
Russ will probably be better off without Payton... Dude comes off as a grumpy old man who blames others because his system is outdated for today's NFL
This☝🏽☝🏽
Do you not remember Wilson last year???
@@Morris_88 Do you remember Nathaniel Hackett?! 🙄🙄😒😒
Russ hasn’t been the problem but he also hasn’t been the solution.
Well said!
@@quincee3376 literally what i was going to say
Except that getting Russ created most of their talent issues. Taking 2 years off from the first and 2nd round kills the talent level on a team. They gave up their best tight end in the trade. They gave up defensive line talent in the trade, for a first rounder to get a coach to win and the let Jones go due to cap restraints. So in that way having Russ has been part of the problem.
Unless he can also play on the OL…AINT no solution….add in all the untimely drops from WRs
Time to move on...
I literally couldn’t understand why Sean Peyton called that time out last week and now I know why he was tanking to get rid of Russ
Russell is being blamed for Sean Payton's mistakes. The latter is an overated coach.
Extremely overrated
@Dbcjxidkxnxnxbdjxhd Pause that was wild!
I agree. Sean Payton is responsible for play calling many of the calls are run, run throw so predictable. And very rarely mixes things around.
Thank you
Sean Payton did improved their records.
Russell Wilson isn’t the problem. Sean Payton should’ve stayed retired
Wilson is washed he’s already painted the picture on the wall no more needs to be said.
They both got carried for years lol... Drew Brees and the LoB ain't no walking thru dat door 😭
Mate Drew Brees was terrible his last 3yrs and he didn't bench him. These coaches get way too much credit for these teams.
He's a problem, not the only problem
@@MoosePete That's not true casual
Even if Russ isn’t the long term solution, outright benching him is a terrible idea. If you can find a young QB in the draft to sit behind him, you can bench him when that new QB is ready. You don’t bench a QB who clearly can win games unless you have someone worth starting already on the team.
Saves them money
guarantees he won't be hurt --- saves them 37 million if he got hurt before next year. Already out of playoffs, smart financial move.
It's about money. He will cost them 35 million plus in guarantees if he gets injured (part of his contract). So, this is them limiting the damage they owe him. They still are going to take a massive cap hit for the next two years unless another team agrees to pick up his contract, which might happen with how irrational bad teams behave over QBs.
I understand that’s it's cause of money, still disagree with it.
I agree 💯
In todays NFL, you can’t just have a good QB and expect a SB. Everyone talks about how Russ is overrated. His “QB away from SB team” was massively overrated. Dude has one offensive weapon and his defense isn’t put together as a good unit. If you get paid that much, teams are always going to scapegoat the QB, but it’s their fault for over valuing the QB position. Props to Russ for getting his bag and I respect the work he’s always put in.
Whats a sb?
@@DerekBabineaux-bz9czsuperbowl
that was a media driven thing, I seriously doubt the broncos organization thinks that simplistic
Exactly...
Wilson stinks. Seattle carried him
They bench him because of one game? The Patriots loss was bad but did they forget the Texans game? It was close. I think the only reason why he's getting benched is because Payton and Russ don't see eye to eye.
it’s because of his contract
Bro, how was the Texans game on Russ? I bet you didn't even watch and just looked at the box score.
@@819blakesI watched the game live and that game was on him 😂😂 dude threw 3 picks
It’s like he can’t have a bad game I want him to go somewhere and win a championship
Russ had had bad games. Every QB has this season, maybe not Lamar, but the Texans game ain't it 🤣
Sean Payton is the problem in Denver. Not Russ. Make Payton accountable for all of his failures this season. Russ is on defense that gave up 70 points to Miami. I have never been a fan of this dude. He's not the answer for the Broncos...
facts urban meyer 2.0
Nah he’s cleaning up everything. Broncos haven’t been right since the early 10’s. I’m a Seahawks fan and Russel fan. Russel is the problem.
@@rhinobanga13we'll see bub,
Cuz when they cut him, which they will, everyone will see who the real problem was.
bro if twi coaches have moved on from him, it kinda says something.
@@leonardobraynen1524
Don’t think Russ or Payton are the answer, but together they’re definitely not
Payton already planned to replace Wilson. He showed that when he was screaming at him on the sideline last week. He is using Wilson as a scapegoat. He should have been asked why he didn't contest the call on the possible touchdown two plays earlier.
Did she just said Broncos has a really..really good defense, they gave up 70 pts, and can't stop the New England LMAO.
They had 15 takeaways in the 5 game win streak, that's an insane amount... russ is washed
@@danielmallory9974 How many takeaways they had in New England, and Detroit, How about stops LMAO. Same defense Dolphins scored 70pts, somehow the finger points to Russ LMAO
@@RomansapienMVision I'm not saying every loss is his fault, but those wins are in spite of the offense and russ, is one because of him? He's had less than 90 passing yards going into quarter 4 at least 4 times this year. You can't rely needing 2+ turnovers to win a game
@@danielmallory9974 Stats are done wrong. And you seem to be a big fan of this - The thing is you are grading the defense by number of take aways instead number stops (3rd and out). That would be like grading an offense by number of defensive mistakes; mistackles, miscommunication...Broncos defense won over teams that call risky plays including KC. All Belichick, New England did is played it safe in the offensive side, safe plays, short passes... Denver Defense are terrible, and so is their Offensive line. But for some reason the solution is to get rid of Russ LMAO I just hope the new QB see this as an opportunity like Tom Brady did.
So Joy is basically saying Russ gotta play like he's the whole offense 🤣🤣🤣
That's exactly what she saying 😂
Typical joy takes
That's why you don't let people that never played the sport or no anything about football should be on TV lol joy just be talking
Well consider the contract they paid him, i would think the same.
That's literally not what she said, IDk if you're just dumb or a troll but stop projecting your foolishness.
joy is talking like tua in miami is killing the league but he not ,russ is fine sean payton needs a scargoat because his defense cant stop a cold
Russ has been trash since last year and Payton wasn't there last year , now what?
@JUSTINSIMMIONSFANCLUB This would be a good argument if russ wasn't improving. They have lost a couple of games this year from being out coached.
@@giovan5219 watch the tape, stop looking at the stats
Obviously broncos weren't as good as they thought when they brought him in, they weren't a QB away. This whole thing with Russ was done wrong. I do think he played a lot better than a bunch of QBs this year. Honestly was impressed with what he did, it's a shame but the organization is shifting and wants to win again, and frankly I think the owners are probably power hungry
There is no such thing as a team that’s a qb AND a coach away. Broncos were fooling themselves. Last year the Broncos had Rodgers golfing buddy as the hc, and people are blaming Russ for that?
@@tqllaIt's not his fault, but when you get that kind of money as a QB, you become the person who gets blamed. He never was able to live up to those impossible expectations, but that's what happens when you're paid to be a superstar.
@@scratchpenny usually when a team trades a bunch of picks and pays all that money, they give some leeway to the player
Kind of weird to cut him, when he was getting better and he has an 85m dead cap
Can’t be a winning team when you don’t have any playmakers to help Russ out. Dudes best player was Sutton and he isn’t even a top 30 WR. 😂 his weapons was even worse last season and ppl wanna blame Russ 🤦🏻♂️
We did trade away von and chubb which was franchise level players at the moment we was but now we almost like a new team
Let’s see what Payton shows in these last two games without Wilson…and then we can decide if it has been the Coaching that’s the main issue with the Broncos
And disregard last season compared to this season? We already know Wilson has benefited from Payton.
We're getting TORCHED!
Chargers without Herby, Keenan, or Mike Williams in the Cold traveling from beautiful California.. Will make Sean Payton look brilliant until they do bad enough next year to draft Colorado's own .. Shaduer Sanders.
@@emmanuelnation1327 are you crazy, the Patriots put up 26 points!!!! That had NOTHING to do with Russell Wilson.
I wish@@emmanuelnation1327
Why should Russ play for a coach who isn't for him. If i was him i would be glad to sit the bench and let Payton try to win and finally take some blame
Definitely disrespectful he the reason they won the games
Sure but is he gonna be worth 40 million a year on a few wins. I agree wit u and it sucks cus he has played well. My take is something is off either the locker room can't stand him plus the sometime mediocre play or he is un willing to do certain things
That’s just not true hah the defense was the reason
@@FadedDream6969I seriously doubt it has anything to do with the locker room. If you've watched any of the Broncos games the offense has nothing but love for Russ. It's because him and S. Payton dont like each other at all. That's why Payton is trying to move on without him.
Joy basically calling Russell Wilson a game manager I wonder if anybody going to come at her like they did Cam Newton 😂
They have stated that Sean has shrunk the playbook and made it elementary
VERY DISRESPECTFUL!!! I FEEL FOR RUSS. HE DID NOT DESERVE THIS!!! SEAN NEVER LIKED RUSS. HE KNEW HE WANTED OUT BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED. THIS MOVE WILL COMEBACK AND HAUNT SEAN.
No one is making the same argument as Purdy . Russ won a ring
It's about money. Purdy costs nothing. Wilson will cost the team an additional $35 million plus if he gets hurt in these last two games. This move tells us they are moving on from RW and limiting their losses.
Yeah of course Joy just gonna discredit how he won games for his team this year lol
Joy can say WHATEVER she want. Do u see how FINE she is😊
she look like a neanderthal bro @@stunnamrsports
@@stunnamrsportsshut up
I'm pretty sure the defense causing multiple turnovers helped with that
@@Morris_88 I would hope they step up after giving up 70 points lol
They let the tight end go and a running back. This is Russ at 32 not 25 . Denver did him a disservice. The defense went backwards too
Stop talking
all these sportscasters and national media for some reason scared to say peyton is the problem
That’s why wins isn’t a qb stat bruh this the ultimate team game
Sean Payton wanted the Chargers job, but when they stuck with Staley, the Broncos were really the only team that was interested in him. He was never high on Russell since the day he got there.
Nah he could've waited. He wanted that money
@Josh-go5lu & there were talk that the cowboy wanted him as well. Man could have waited this year and picked between the cowboy & or the charges job
@@XxD3ADHUNTERxX Dallas isn't firing Mike.
Russ is going to go somewhere, and make The Broncos cry.
@@stuartdamon3610he's not a bad QB, but he's not a superstar either. I don't think they care. They just want to limit the money they owe him.
Best version of the "Russ Scrutiny" I've seen. So well-balanced. Way to go, guys. Bottom line is all these discussions come back to the contract. The false narrative was, "he only has to be in the Top 12". No, not so. Not with that contract no matter how you discuss the numbers and games played against good teams, even with next to no depth at OL/DL/WR. Even if he/they beat NE, the wave of next year's contract would still hammer down saying you're not Peyton Manning. And it's a poorly written contract if he gets the year paid automatically if injured. Wow. Wilson can almost thank Paton for running him out of town.
New reports are claiming that the ownership meddled in this decision. Hard to know the truth here, but regardless this contract problem is awful.
They're not being disrespectful they are being irresponsible. I get it if the production isn't there but you've already invested the money. Figure it out. I'm a Raiders fan I would love to have Russell Wilson as our starter for a few years while we find our future franchise quarterback. And I'm sure he would love to go to a team in the same division we call that motivation. As the saying goes one man's trash is another man's treasure.
Russ was never the man. He was a QB on a Super Bowl winning team. Not a QB that wins you the Super Bowl
he was the man many years in seattle . and he got us to the playoffs a bunch
I hope the Broncos do get rid of him. As a Steelers fan I'd welcome him with open arms. With the weapons we have on offense, a solid defense, and what should be the DPOY every year doing what he does best Pittsburgh would be very dangerous. I don't know if he'd be the old Russ but I would much rather roll the dice with this Russ than what we have now.
Sean Payton trying to keep a job - Payton big part of the problem
Atlanta Falcons could use him if they don't get Justin Fields
I can see him in Washington with Eric Bieniemy, especially if they fire Ron Rivera and move Eric to Head Coach..Eric can run an offense a tiny bit like he did in KC with Russ
My team got them both! : )
Joy is being ridiculous here. The Broncos don't need the 2013 Seahawks D, they just need a competent D. The Broncos defensive front can't get pressure or stop the run, they're like bottom 5 in both categories. Also of note, Russ leads the league in both 4th qtr comebacks and game-winning drives this season. This benching decision is all about money.
The bottom line is this.. Coaches and Gm's should make the best decision for the team.. Treating Russell like this and putting Stidum in, is not making it best for the TEAM.
This is by far the best qb year for denver since 2014 and it's still not enough dang
Russell Wilson… Can Move On..!!! To A Team that Will be Glad to have Him..🤷🏾
and he will OWN Denver until he retires, bank on it.
what team?
@@dlarta7265I don't think it'll work out, but there is always a desperate team willing to make silly moves for a name QB.
Give Russ some better weapons outside of Courtland Sutton and see his numbers improve vastly from this season
Joy really dislikes Russ like he cares.
She's honestly annoying with most of her takes.
After last year, a new coach came in on the theme of making players accountable. People were crying for Russ's blood. And now he's going to sacrifice Wilson on that altar to protect himself.
Russ is being scapegoated had many game winning drives this season
Is he tho? It's like yall aren't watching the games ,u just watch the stats
Game winning drives in games where the Denver defense got 3 turnovers. He should be taking games over and riding the lead out.
No joy .. you heard what the other men in the panel said . They are not holding on to the old Russ
Speaking as a Niners fan myself, we used to play against Russ when he was in Seattle twice... and sometimes 3 times a year. And let me tell you.. Russ is a very special QB and a true difference maker. Payton/Wilson marriage was just a bad marriage from the start and it was never going to work.
Salary cap is a big issue here. Since Russ takes so much of the salary cap, that leaves less money for the rest of the team. Tom Brady would take less money to leave salary cap space for better players at other positions. Russ should have taken less money so a better defense could be paid for.
2019 Russ threw for 4000 yards, 31 TDs 5INT. Russ been playing well his whole career minus last year. Yall not telling the whole story. 2020 he threw for 40 TDs and 13 INT along with 4200 yrds
I wasn’t happy with the great stats when his contract killed the Seahawks roster
@Cf.8463 yea but you know QBs are expensive and each team pays for the good ones. I'm not a Seahawks fan but yall got a championship out of him. Yall did right by winning early with him before paying him alot of money and was able to keep core players.
It's crazy to me how Sean tried to come out and say well I would have benched him if it was about the money. But then he came to Russell after the Chiefs game about the money. And there's a report out there that the money was the reason why they started having arguments. And even though the running backs weren't getting touchdowns he was blaming Russell because he already was fed up with Russell. He had a lack of respect for Russell from day one and Russell did everything he said. Everybody knows that Sean Payton made this a running team and Russell bought into that where he sacrificed his numbers. Sean Payton offense could not get us rushing touchdowns had nothing to do with russell. They just don't want to pay him his money and the NFL should look into this. Because everything was fine when we had chances to go to the playoffs right after we lost the Patriots game Sean did this
And even being a running team Russ put up like 26 td and 6 or 8 int and 98 passer rating and really doesnt have a Te
@@clghost3294facts 📠
Russ has had a hurt Sutton, a hurt Judy, hurt RB's. He moved from one city to another team that was worse than the team he left. He is just trying to make a connection in timing with his Receivers and a new offense. Is there anyone on the panel that thought Denver was going to the Superbowl in two years with this injured team? All the skill positions have been injured over these two years. He's the one constant.
Russ durability is not talked about but that’s his strength availability.
Lamar Jackson has entered the chat
Stop making excuses, he went to Denver and cashed out. He’s overpaid. You can put 3 DK Metcalf’s out there and it wouldn’t change the fact that Russ is approaching the end of his career.
His locker room presence was ALWAYS a question, he’s not a leader and he’s selfish. Receivers have to go through his PR firm and agent to contact him… 😂. F this clown.
Stop making excuses for Wilson. He is not great.
Sir, go back and look at Russell's career QB rating.He averages over 100.0. Nobody ever wanted to go to Seattle to play the Seahawks. His QB rating in 2023 is 98.0. I don't get where you are coming from. They are 1 game out of the playoffs. He brought the team back and tied the Patriots at 23. The defense gave up the field goal. He has 26 TD's and 8 Interceptions. I don't have to make excuses for Players that are going into the Hall of Fame.
@@user-ll6zn3xv9v
Broncos offense isn’t good and they’re scape goating russ. Look at the chiefs, they are terrible on offense as well due to limited offensive talent. People will blame mahomes’ supporting cast though and not russ’. Crazy
Jones got SOL GLO in his beard😂
What are people actually expecting here though? I get russ hasn't been great, but no qb this year has been lights out. Also, the teams with winning records either have great talent surrounding their QB, an amazing defense, or both. All of which aren't at Russell's disposal. It also doesn't help that Payton has shown no interest in creating plays to russ's benefit.
I think it was inevitable. Wilson hasn't lived up to his contract, which is probably not entirely his fault, but they did massively overpay him. And Payton doesn't like him, and can use him as a scapegoat. It's the politics of the NFL. Wilson is still going to earn a huge payday to walk away. But this might be the end of his career unless he gets picked up by some irrational team that thinks he's the answer.
Exactly! Russ has zero playmakers. I could only imagine if they actually gave him a weapon or two and I bet they would be a playoff team if they did. Russ has done good with one of the worst offensive weapons in the league
how can he have a talented team around him when he is taking all the $$$$. Do you expect talented players to paly for free?
I absolutely hate how Russ has taken the blame since arriving at Denver. What a joke of a team to allow it
It's weird how they want to disagree with her but not one of these guys stand up to her. Instead they put their heads down
Who wants to argue with a Woman on TV???
We just watch Man get convict & possibly lose his career running away from a woman... on video!!! You can't WIN!!!
They have no running game and defense sucks. Can’t blame him need to cut defensive players if that’s the case
I agree with acho lowkey
If they are being disrespectful to Russ, I wish someone would disrespect me with that kind of guaranteed deal!
Sean payton is the problem more than wilson. Russell doesn't call the defensive or even the offensive plays. He just does what he is told.
Teams I currently would not want to work for. Arizona, New York, Green Bay, Atlanta, Carolina, Denver, and LA Chargers.
It’s Sean Payton and not Russ and if Denver don’t get them to work on the same page they have a big problem as a coach he should know and see that o line is trash 🗑️ and players dropping balls when needed most smh
"He 17-27 in his last 44 starts" . . . . *Silence* . . . . 17 AND 27 ?!?!?! lmaooo love joy taylor
We talking bout a TEAM GAME. It ain’t just on Russ, using him as a scapegoat is bs
Pointing the finger at Wilson is dirty asf
They really did it because they didn’t want Russ to get injured and have to pay him an extra 37 million
Exactly. It's always about money.
Not Joy Wilson is not the problem having good players and coaches matter. He can't win by himself
I think what's going on with Russ has more of a 'narrative' that others paint of you. One bad play away from having 2 Super Bowls. I don't think anyone associated with that has recovered( Legion of boom, Marshawn, Pete Carroll, and even Russ, himself). So when Sean Payton comes in and uses Russ as a scapegoat, everyone should see it. Russ isn't the type of person to say anything derogatory and that works against you when you allow people to paint you the way They want to.
Y’all can’t blame Russ bc he drive that whole team down the field also y’all need blame our special teams kicker he miss a field don’t forget that too also the guy on the Broncos fumble the 🏈 that what really hurt us tho but Russ can’t take bad sack tho for the team scramble or throw it away no🧢
3K Yards 26 TDs 8Ints
He'll be Comeback Player of the Year, just like I said before Week 1 started.
Russ has been the scapegoat since he got to Denver.
I love the dynamic of this crew. Great segment guys & gal.
For the Russ Argument - This Russ is not the running threat he was in 2013/2014 - Look at the amount he contributed to the rushing attack, and how much more dynamic the Russ of 2013/2014 was - It's not even close. He had 850 yards rushing in one of those seasons.
Russ is 26 TD and 8 INT
That’s actually top 10 QB ratings…so benching him is abit silly…
They need a plan....(long pause). They may have a plan...(long pause).
18 million a year for a coach😂😂😂 is he living up to his contract?? 🤔
I am a broncos fan and I do believe it's not only Russell Wilson 's fault it's whole team ,coaches including Sean payton as well,it's a big mistake
To me it is crazy that joy has gone to the extreme of saying Russ's numbers for the last 44 games which is about this season and last season which were obviously washes new coach another new coach only difference is Sean Payton is a credible good coach and now when the defense plays decent you can see they can rely on rest to win games and the difference between Russ on the broncos and Russ on the Seahawks is yes Seahawks had a great running game and defense but Russell Wilson is still special. I guess the point I'm trying to make is they ain't jumping on Patrick mahomes all of a sudden when his defense ain't playing like they have been last year and to their full potential this year Patrick mahone's is getting let down by Kelce and really has no other help on the offense Patrick Mahone can't do it all by himself and it's showing which is why they're losing games and then once they get behind it's forcing him to throw forcing him to throw bad passes forcing him to make mistakes because it's not an option anymore it's pressed pressure but they ain't talking about Patrick the way they talk about Russ, pat might have one more super bowl win than Russ but that all came down to one decision from Pete Carroll deciding to throw the ball at the 1 yd line instead of running it in with Marshall and Lynch then they would have the same amount of rings so to me the comparisons from Russell Wilson that they're making are crazy because you're seeing it right now with Patrick mahones that obviously you need some help a quarterback is the most valuable player on the team but if you don't got no body else around either on the defense or the offensive side to make plays then you're going to have an average to slight average team with a great quarterback.
why does it have to be a high draft for a good QB?
You think Joy does any research? Acho saving this show😂
Joy doesn't know how to agree to disagree
The problem is Russ isn’t playing as a 45-50m QB. Everyone is judging his play off his play last year, which of course he will play better but Russ is not the guy from Seattle. Big picture is Russ not winning Denver a Super Bowl so why pay a overpriced QB
He's not playing bad at all.... New England still has a good defense despite injuries nd he had his 7th best passer rating of the season nd his 4th most passing yards of the season along with 2 TD's nd 0 INT's nd was 3rd in rushing yards with less attempts
Russ is earning his 💰 He's far from the issue this season. Your coach is clearly the one with the problem nd seems 2 have a personal issue with Russ.
@@In_Gods_Hands russ has gone into the 4th quarter with less then 90 yards at least 3 or 4 times this season, unless his defense plays good he almost never wins games
@@danielmallory9974who is the running back?
Exactly. It's not that he's a bad QB. It's that he's being paid to be a superstar. And he's not anywhere near that level.
Joy has such an intense hatred for Russ and lets it cloud her opinion, and her yelling doesn't make her right. The guy has put up a nice season despite a team with subpar talent, and he is literally responsible for throwing some of the lowest expected to be completed TD's this season.
Some random 2023 week 17 comparisons: J. Goff 28 td's - 12 int's / P. Mahomes 27 td's - 14 int's / J. Allen 27 td's - 16 int's / J. Hurts 23 td's - 14 int's /// Russell Wilson 26 tds's - 8 int's
So just blame Wilson for everything. If Sutton would have been in the game Wilson would have kept them in the game.
The problem with Russ, is his contract. Russ is making too much money for the stats and results he is putting out there, he is getting pay elite money for average QB, that’s his problem he is not elite, not a bus driver lol
1.) Russell Wilson's contract is on Denver's upper management and ownership. Wilson still had two years on his contract from Seattle before the Broncos gave him a four-year, $161 million extension roughly one month after trading for him. Had the management taken a wait-and-see approach, Denver could have let him walk for free after this season.
2.) Denver's offensive players around Wilson have been overstated in how good they are. Over that five-game winning streak, the Broncos had 15 takeaways over that stretch, giving Wilson and company many extra possessions and short fields. In the past three games, Denver has notched just three total takeaways, while the offense and special teams have given it away seven times.
Let’s address the real problem here!
The league has blatantly taken the running game away from the sport!
Which has created this problem for quarterbacks and their success over center. What constitutes a player running for his life every play to pass a ball to a covered receiver for 4 straight downs? Without any results?
Now you see where the league is at to create negative interest in the fan base! The league doesn’t care about positive results from teams winning anymore! They are far more concerned about “Speak” talking about what’s wrong with these players than their success!
So no one’s talking about how Russ as far as number is still pro bowl worthy? He was among the best QBs without any legit WR, TE, or RB. DEN still has a chance to make the playoffs. The NFL isn’t like MLB or NBA, you just have to be the best team for 1 game in the post season.
“As far as number” is the optimal phrase to say to ignore the reality of it all, beecause if you watch the game tape, he’s horrible. Example: he’s had multiple screen pass plays this season where he over or under throws the ball, the receiver has trouble making the catch that once they do get possession, the defense knocks the ball out and usually recover the fumble. It seems like the receivers fault, but bad ball placement is more of the factor.
Stats don't show the whole picture. Multiple games with 12 completions.
3500 yards isn’t pro bowl caliber, my man. That’s me projecting high, he’s at 3000 with two games left…. He would’ve finished the season with around 3400 lol
He lets himself get sacked so he doesn't get an incomplete pass. He plays for stats.
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I hate that they are sayin Wins and losses is a QB stat
Russell Wilson is the problem he would never throw the ball on schedule no way Sean can live with a QB who does whatever end of story. Wilson cannot anticipate few times a game I have watched Juedy cutting across the middle you know he is going to be open, Wilson could not see the plays develop the window opening.
Exactly! His mechanics were NEVER good, he can’t read his progression’s correctly and misses certain windows during zone coverages
Joy is the one who sees the big picture. Russ’ play last year was so bad that anything short of an MVP season was not going to be good enough for the new regime. With context he wasn’t the reason they were winning, some of the games he’d barely have 200 passing yards. This is only crazy because the new contract doesn’t even start yet and the Broncos are willing to eat that dead cap hit. This was the worst trade in modern NFL history
Pete Carroll keeps winning.
We just forgetting that russ threw 40 touchdowns in 2019 and was voted number 2 best player in the league on NFL top 100
What if Stidham is a better fit for Payton’s offense? Or Stidham practices better than Russ? If Stidham shows out, we know why. I am thinking Payton was waiting for opportunity to put Stidham in, and this is it.
That's gonna stop the defense from giving up 70??
So do we still owe Russ an apology or….
Great show guys. Everyone made great points. I’ve been a Russ supporter n it’s so frustrating to go from controlling our playoffs chances to Russ getting benched. This move might backfire idk, we’ll see…
What if Stidham struggles so bad that they have to put Russ in?!🤔
Go Broncos!!!!
Stidham isn't the answer. He would be serviceable if has a clean pocket to throw the ball. Our O line isn't that good, he will get sacked a bunch.
@@DavidSmith-tu1nd And he’s not great under pressure
They lost by 70 with Russ how much worse can it get with Stidham?
@@blackwulf8793Russell not playing defense so stop the bs
That's the whole point. This is the Broncos giving up on the season. They don't care if they lose. They are trying to limit the money they owe Russ because they are going to waive him.
Sean Payton will be the next Bill Bellichick. Both are as good as their HOF QB.
17-27 as a starting quarterback for a team that thought they were a quarterback away. Not good enough, it’s a results based business.
Yes is a business and Russ is a better businessman than the Broncos… He didn’t ask Denver to trade for him they asked for him. He made a wise business decision and they made a wise decision… Too bad for the Broncos. Because he also has veto power over any trade… If they cut him they still have pay… As for the Broncos too bad!!!
This is GREAT FOR RUSSELL WILSON bad for Denver this coach want his own mark on the team and a LESS FAMOUS PERSON 🎉🎉LET'S GO RUSS 😂SOME WHERE ELSE 😂😂😂😂
He didn't make no QB Drew Brees was dope before him
This was a great debate from both sides with great facts & analysis from each side. Great job!
Win and loses are a Qb stat When it's someone like Wilson except if it's Josh Allen or Justin Hubert
Well as irritated as I am by the narrative, these guys are all making really solid points. How does Cowherd still have a show when it's him being a know-it-all and flipping his opinions every five weeks? He has one guy on his show who's an overpaid yes man. These peeps are keeping it real. Solid takes all around.