Band Teacher Reaction to Ren's Tale of Jenny & Screech Trilogy
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- Band Teacher Reaction to Ren's Tale of Jenny & Screech Trilogy
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I think you missed the punchline at the end.
A tragedy or miracle. The tragedy was Violet dying, the miracle was the twins surviving.
But then the ultimate tragedy was one twin killing the other 14 years later and then dying in the aftermath.
He threw himself off by thinking it was Screech coming for Violet just as Ren had turned back time on guitar..
Probably was better that it went over his head or it would of blown his brain up ..bits of Brain flowing from his ear holes would get lots of views though. "Maybe he would be remembered for doing something special with himself "😂
Wow that is a totally ironic and tragic story. I missed parts of that for sure.
I totally missed things here Scott. There was just so much to keep track of in one listen. If people can get all of that in one listen that is awesome. Since this was a truthful first time listen I could not get all of that. I just took it for what it appeared to be.
@@bobcieslinski Yeah! I get that!.
Ren bamboozles with his brilliance .
That's one interpretation, another is that Violet is now beyond her abusers and her death is a release, in much the same way that Jenny's tale finished with her "escape"
At 15:37... you can see him kinda shake off the heaviness of what he's about to sing about! Respect!
That is such an important part and only a couple of reactors mention noticing it. It gives me chills every time.
@@Beckaj5446 Right!!! Respect shown!!!
I caught that too, but I saw/felt it in reverse; Him shaking off the heaviness of the previous verse, before going into the (heaver lyrics, but) brighter/lighter guitar melody--contrasted with the lyrics, of course. [Seems so integral to the song, that I feel the need to the same shake-it-off while practicing that section on my guitar, even when I'm not thinking of or singing the lyrics with it.]
That always resonates, like he is stealing himself for a truly tragic tale.
REN’s ACTING ability is understated !!
He is an all around amazing and talented, creative person.
Its like a great Shakespearean tragedy. Its also shows how parents traits are passed down, Screech being like his father and Jenny like her mom.
Yes good points and so true.
Ooooh you missed the twist. No babies died. The babies were Jenny & Screech.
Screech kills Jenny--The police kill Screech---then Ren rewinds time from 2019 to 2005 to tell Violets tale--Violet is killed by Stevie after giving birth to her twins who turn out to be Jenny & Screech who were obviously raised separately and Screech didn’t know he was robbing and killing his twin sister Jenny.
Omg I totally missed it. Wow. I’m gonna listen to this again. It’s so hard to get things on first listens with the lyrics. I tend to hear the music first. Thank you for thr info!
I think our American friends miss the 2005 and maybe interpret it as a zip code and not a year.
I would not relate this directly to bad stuff in Ren's life. These are tales of societal ills that befall us as a whole. In England, knifings are apparantly akin to shooting in America. Younger hoodlums wander the streets similar to our gangs in the U.S. While it is not stated, I feel Jenny is involved in prostitution even at the young age of 14. Screech's character does not surprise us in any way. Violet's tale relates the learned and generational violence that befalls many in society. It is all a shame and a tragedy. But ultimately it is also avoidable for the most part. And that is the real shame. Society does not care. We are inured to the effects of violence.
knifings aren't akin, UK violence isn't nearly as high, which is why it's shocking.
@@markgoldspink5109 It's getting worse though - 282 knife deaths last year, and obviously many more knife woundings and life changing injuries. And society doesn't really care (in general) as long as it's not happening to them. In fact, Ren's idea for this came from a newspaper article about a teenage stabbing, with the article ending with the throwaway phrase 'it's such a shame', as if someone had dropped a bottle of wine.
it also comes from the European medieval minstrel tradition, stories with a narrator acted out, they are always sombre tragic tales
Song is based of a newspaper article from a number of years ago involving a 14yr old boy who stabbed a prostitute to death and not long later was shot and killed by police. (jenny and screech's tales).
Ren then created violets tales 2 years later i guess just to destroy people souls!
Thanks MRO for the great comments.
I've heard this a dozen times or more... it still gets me tearing up...
What an incredible piece of art.
Ren call this style of music Bardcore and here's the origin story of the trilogy 🤩😁🤯
This wasn't originally a trilogy story. Ren read in the paper one day with a small article about a 14 yr old boy killing a young prostitute with a knife in an attempted robbery. Knife crime had been skyrocketing lately. Later that same evening the boy had been shot and killed by the police . It disturbed him, so he set out to write a commentary not just on senseless violence, but on how desensitized we've become to it. The words he ends both Jenny and Screech's Tales with "It's such a Shame" we say these words all to often and just move on, without a second thought. The article quoted the lead inspector at the scene say " So Young, It's such a shame".
Violets Tale was written over 2 years later adding yet another layer of commentary by Ren. Not only generational violence but making us think (how can both these siblings be so cursed). Born out of violence on that cruel night and then both killed with brutal violence in the same night 14 yrs later. Also, his lyrics have deeper meanings if read in-between the lines you'll more then likely hear something that'll make you think. Here's a couple of things that made me go Hmm...🤔🤔
Jenny has the same traits as her mother Violet, quiet, voiceless, and timid. Where as Screech mirrors his father Stevie in every way, Loud, obnoxious, and easily prone & provoked into violence. They didn't know one another and had never met their biological parents. What made these kids so much like their parents? Was it simply Nature, inherited traits from their genetic makeup or Nurture, being brought up in the broken system filled with broken, mistreated & forgotten children?
Cheers 🥂
I noticed that as well, and honestly there's no telling which it was or is. Thanks for explaining the origin of Ren's idea because many people say Jennies tale was based on a news artticle, but nothing more then that. It's a dark truth people should hear so that they are awear and able to ponder on some possible solutions.
How about going further with Jenny and Screech being like their grandparents as well? Violet's father abused her while her mother remained silent. Violet ended up being charmed by Stevie much like her mother likely was by her father. Who knows what Violet's mother's upbringing was like, was it similar or did she become quiet when she was with Violet's father?
Thanks for the awesome info Rob!
I used to be trying to sleep when my ex would start stabbing my face with a tooth pick, or i'd wake up to him eating his dinner in the middle of the night right under my nose as I slept. Thats just the nice stuff. He also choked me until my bladder let go and i was nearly passing out. My thoughts were on my son, all I could think about as I managed to squeeze out the words 'im sorry' for something I wasn't guilty of, just to live.
My other ex rained punches on my back as I'm trying to get me and my 3 year old out of his house, he choked me until i passed out, then let me go, so i hit my head twice on the way to the ground. All in front of my little boy.
This is way more common than anyone realises. I survived, many don't. Police should be able to charge these monsters, as many women are too scared to go down that path. For many reasons.
I used to think the women that stayed with men (or men who stay with violent women) like that were crazy, but they still love the light side of those abusers, they fell in love with someone who love bombed them, then showed their true colours. Making it so much harder to leave. You end up giving chances where none are deserved.
Wow Zed those are horrible things. Did you get help? I’m really sorry to hear those things happened to you.
The censorial editing for adult language certainly took out a lot of the impact and drama from Ren's story telling. It became life lite in the process.
I totally get it but being a teacher and knowing young people watch thr channel I could not leave some of that I. There. I knew people who knew his music would know what was said and so would I. The reaction did not change.
@@bobcieslinski the young people knew what he was saying as well. Extremely explicit descriptions of domestic violence, references to child sexual abuse, and two bloody deaths are all fine. But yeah, definitely get the swear words out of here. What a strange society we live in.
@@luvlub1737 I agree... No one likes censured music/songs...
Unless 7 year olds are watching, I think the piece should stay as it was created. Of course you don’t need me chiming in. Still, no use watching Ren reactions if his language is censored. He uses language as both a weapon and instrument.
He is like a medieval minstrel brought up to date.
This one was inspired by a news article he saw about a young person charged with murder- he wrote this to help him get his head around how someone so young got so messed up- its not about anything he went through himself.
You are right its very sad- its basically a shakespearean tragedy with no upside- just shining a light on some of societies ills - probably his darkest song.
You might notice in every song thats about his own experiences - even if they are about a lot of bad stuff there is always hope in them :)
That is Rens true nature- he has been through a lot but still fights on and has always kept hope alive.
p.s Only about a 1/4 of his stuff - that which will go on the hi ren album - is about his bad life experiences etc. Most of his songs are about other stuff.
Thanks for the great info!
He wrote all these years apart! It started from a string on knife killings in the UK at the time!
The whole thing is telling a Story of Domestic Violence that most are afraid to touch on! Even though it's Sooo prevalent!!!
That's why he wrote it! NOT That he's messed up in the head!
Yep I got that part Woody. If you think I said Ren is actually messed up I think you got the wrong message. I totally knew we were talking about domestic violence here. That makes you messed up in the head if you are directly involved in it.
Not quite factual here bud. Jenny's Tale & Screech's Tale are both from 2019, only months between them. And it came from an actual news story about a 14 yo who had killed a working girl.
@AD270479 Wrote and released are two different things! And from Rens mouth it's Not about any one particular story! His Instagram stories, many erased, show the progression of the stories if ya seen them! There's only one left I know of... the rest were deleted by instagram! Again... his words... in his comments!
@bobcieslinski You actually said it in the beginning! Before knowing the whole story! So I commented as you reacted!
No big deal! You got it by the end!
@@woodywoodman2319 thanks Woody I hope you have an awesome day!
So sad. An absolute brilliant work of art.
I hate censorship of art...but thank you for a heart felt reaction🔥🙏🔥
Me too but because I am a teacher and some of my students along with other young people watch the videos. I had to edit. It took me a month to decide what I should do. I made the best choice I could.thanks for understanding.
Something else to appreciate is that all of these were live one take performances.
That’s incredible. Wow!
Generational abuse.
I find him to wear many hats.
Writer, actor, musician , singer and entertainer. Poet…. the list goes on and on.
I’m a Ren fan.
He sure is talented and really unique.
the opening guitar reminded me of a medieval tune which then went into an ennio morricone/western guitar style...
Ren paints this tale of despair and misery with musical and lyrical finesse. His brutal portrayal of robbery, murder, drug use, incest, family violence, misogyny, and the intergenerational fallout of these issues does indeed confront and challenge us to consider our own views, experiences and actions. Yes, he's calling us out and rightly so. What I don't understand is this: how can reactors agree to broadcast such graphic content on their channels, but censor the language? How is it OK that Violet's death is painted in such vivid detail, but using the word fuck is somehow unacceptable? I'm genuinely interested in understanding this logic. Please someone explain to me. ✌️
I understand your point it does, I feel, detract from the power and violence depicted. However, each reactor has that right and understanding isn't always necessary.
Hey Hp I’m a teacher and some of my kids watch thr videos. I only edited because of them. It took me a month after filming to decide how I was going to release this video or if I would at all. I thought I owed it to thr people who suggested the song to me. I had no idea who Ren was until I did my first video. Not much language in that one so I did this one and was surprised when I listened. Nothing wrong with it but being a teacher I have to set a good example or the best I can. I needed to honor my students and other young people as well as the people who wanted this reaction. I made the best of the bad decisions. Sorry it upset you but I knew you would know the words and get my full reaction even without the audio.
@@bobcieslinski thanks for responding. I wasn't upset so much as curious about the reasons for the decision, particularly in light of the subject matter. That's a tricky line to walk, between honest communication and polite communication. It was actually a teacher who introduced my son to Ren's music, and it's been a great catalyst for some difficult but essential discussions regarding his mental health.
This is the "Shakespearian Bard " Ren !
I would love to see you react to Ren's 1 Million Subscribers Thank You Speech! You will learn more about who Ren actually is!!
Jenny's tale came from a newpaper article he had read, the other two he added later. They did come out many months apart. I remember waiting for them. And apparently Paddington was not a safe area at that tume.
Thanks!
Bro. You missed it. Violet was Jenny and skreechs mother. We must rewind the hands of time for violets tale. Skreech killed his sister.
LMAO.
Boomer haha
Yep 👍
@@DpMario11 watch it young'un
@@DpMario11 who's a boomer?
Thanks Rory! I was not getting that part at all. There was so much to try to follow in this song and with just one listen I didn’t get it. I’m sure with the incredible complexity of the story that the more listens the more that becomes revealed to the listener.
heh, I legit giggled after he heard Jenny's tale and was like thats a bad story "But hold on there's more!"
This was prompted from newspaper article and people just saying what a shame. Violets tale was released nearly 2 years later tying it all up. Masterpiece.
Jenny and Screech were born one night and lain side by side, Violet the mother died from cyclic family abuse. Jenny ( we are not told at the start that she is only 14yrs old) is walking the streets in high heels 'like she had done a thousand times before' and Screech, her twin, end up both dead , lain side by side on parallel streets on the same night. Both killed by cyclic family abuse... imo.. brilliant..
Thanks for the awesome comments!
To me this is ren's modern version of Hamlet when the audience has to watch the protagonist discover they killed the innocent family in rage and just like oedipus rex, karma will not let them survive it. But it is a real life cycle ren is discussing.
Thanks Denise! This was a great song.
Gotta do How To Be Me LIVE VERSION ft Chinchilla 🔥🔥🔥 and Chinchilla Fingers LIVE 🔥🔥🔥
"How to be me" live, is stunning, shows his singing talent and that of chinchilla, its beautiful, also im sure you'd be pleased to know, no editing out required lol :)
The violet theory u had was actually pretty good
Thanks.
I highly recommend watching the interview with him and Knox Hill... Ren talks about trying to wake up humanity to the grossness we've become. That he's scared for the human race and hopes his music brings awareness to the things we refuse to talk about. Loved this reaction!
Thanks Ariel! I’m really enjoying what he does and this piece really brings to light some really sensitive issues. I’m hoping it makes a difference in the world.
Ren said after a live street performance of the tales that what he was trying to get at is that we should have compassion and understanding for people even if we disagree with them. Compassion for both Jenny and Screech even though they are so very different, they come from the same place and background. They have more in common than they knew.
Thanks for letting me know this. I appreciate it.
2005 is the year in Violet’s tale.
Ren is a genius....great reaction thanks
Thanks Donald!
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The guitar work is also so very clean. Which isn't totally to skill but 85 skill and 15 to weapon of choise. :D
Edit: Thankyou for mentioning that a lot of these topics aren't so pleasant. You are right, I'm glad Ren is making us think about these things.
Great comments thanks!
Self taught guitarist from the videos
Incredible talent.
The babies didn’t die. It was Jenny and Screech and they both were sent there ways not knowing they had siblings and bumped into each other on the street and screech killed his sister (not knowing it was his sister) when he tried to rob her.
Thanks that is so tragic.
The girl on the phone was nnot named.
I showed this to one of my friends, who teaches classical guitar. He too missed the punchline because he focused mainly on the music at the expense of the story. I suspect he still finds the guitar-playing more relevant than the plot because that is what he is interested in.
Thanks for this. It is hard to get it all and everyone has their thing they really tune it to. Ren is a super talented guitar player.
Ren is truly unique.
Can you name another artist this is similar to this guy?
Thats a complement to the man.
A true artist.
He is very good at what he does and his guitar playing is amazing.
hes the Broken bard
A few thoughts to your question "Why do things like these happen? Perhaps it starts with a society that closes its eyes and ears. Muting strong or disturbing language helps to avoid confronting yourself with harsh realities. The amount of self censoring videos out of the US seems to grow day by day. Don't look away and call things by their name!
I have students who watch the channel along with other young people. Because I am a teacher I could not use some of thr language. I am not want to censor things and it took me about a month to decide what I should do with this video. I decided to out it out instead of keep it in the vault. Sorry you didn’t like it.
@@bobcieslinski If I didn't have liked your reaction why would I invest my time to comment on it?
You asked, I answered. ;-)
@@fuerchtenichts oh I’m glad you liked it. I could not tell by your comment. Thanks Joerg! Take care!
You missed a couple things. Violet’s tale took place in 2005 (London City, far from pretty, 2005), 14 years before the tale of Jenny and Screech. Violet was their mother, and they were the twins. 14 years later, Screech killed his sister. They were likely put in the system and grew up separated since their mother died and their father was a murderer. Jenny was just like Violet, and Screech was like Stevie, his father.
Thanks I appreciate the comments!
Did you get that Violet was Jenny and Screech's mother?😊😊
That’s one really deep song .
The Only artist I know of who brings the really tough topics to life in his song/stories! Bravo to him!
I'm mean... here we are talking about a topic that's Difficult... usually not talked about in music!
I think what he said that sad that too babies died. But the truth is much sadder they grew unproven be teenagers and the die lying side by side (one street apart) just as where their story starts.
The question why these things happen is mostly as Ren describes it: it’s a generation spanning cycle that needs to be broken, that is why he is telling us this - let’s keep our eyes peel and help where we can.
Lmao, I just started the video as I read this comment. He doesn't get it? Lol boomers. No point watching it now as watching the reaction at the end of the trilogy when the twist is unveiled is what makes it worth it
Yeah I totally missed this one. I had no idea it went that deep. I tend to listen to the whole song as one instead of just the lyrics. I think it’s hard to get all of that with one listen. I think with something like this it takes many listens to get the full story. I’m glad I gave it a truthful one time shot. Thanks for thr comments.
The twins are jenny and screech they survived and separated at birth and adopted only for screech to kill jenny later in life then screech gets shot by the police.
Thanks!
Check out its alright by the big push (rens band) i think you will enjoy it
Thanks!
What are you talking about? Babies dying? in 2005 Jenny and Screech were born from Violet "London City far from pretty two zero zero five" that's the date and location. The twins separated put in foster home the twins didn't meet until Screech killed his twin sister Jenny. It is terrible when those who feel don't think. If you pay attention Violet was violated by her father who got her pregnant with twins her mother knew but was too drunk to care. The welfare system took her out of that home and gave her a council flat/government housing at 16 she got a job at Tescos where she met a boy named Stevie who moved into her house. He would beat her when he got drunk. You do a lot of feeling but you gotta do more thinking my friend, people who feel and don't think follow tyrants into hell because their emotions are easily manipulated & they never think about the words and what they mean.
Now you my friend should learn to relax and soften a bit😂
A bit Harsh 😂 a lot of people don't get it on the first listen especially if the are dazzled by Rens Musicianship, it always baffles me too when someone doesn't get the story but it also baffles me why someone gets angry when they don't
Just a bit heavy, there bud. I never once got the impression that her abusive dad was the father of the twins, but that Stevie was.
@@clarissathompson
Yes, that’s the impression I got too. Ren sings about her moving out at 16, meeting Stevie, “and he sure knew how to charm her.”
Jennie and Screech' where Stevie's kids not her father's.
Dude! Babies didn't die!
Thanks for the clarification.
I don't know if anyone has pointed out that Ren is self taught on guitar.
Amazing he’s so talented.
So you didn't get the twist in the end...!? 😕
Apparently not.
A masterpiece of modern music making. There's a point and a depth to this which is so far removed from the brainless manufactured pop of today.
For Joe will bring you to tears. His friend committed suicide!
That’s sad.
Do chinchilla live version of fingers. Definitely has a theatrical feel to it. Has to be the live version hungertv one. Chinchilla fingers
Thanks for the suggestion. Can you send a link for the hood one you mentioned. Thanks!
ua-cam.com/video/KK56SwMFzdc/v-deo.html
Not sure if you understood Violet Jenny and Screeches mother and they were twins.
Thanks so much Lynette for thr comments. Yes I did miss a few things. So much to try to get in just one listening.
Please don't censor your videos for language. This is Art. The impact of the story is severely diluted when you sensor the ‘ugly’ parts. Another commenter suggested that it would be better if you would just review stuff that you're not going to censor, and I agree.
I have elementary students who watch so that is why I did it. I have not done one of his since then.
Slipping into the J-Metal scene, I would recommend Rise by Nemophila ua-cam.com/video/rD3VMAm-9iA/v-deo.html , Lonesome Blue with Body Rock ua-cam.com/video/0tqh0IaMCPo/v-deo.html and a bit quieter (not much, lol) Lisa-X Band (Lisa is somewhat of a child prodigy, I think she's around 16 years old) ua-cam.com/video/fFxdWRgBxMg/v-deo.html. And there is still the Wagakki Band, a mix of Japanese traditional and modern instruments woven together. Thanks for your reactions, they are clear, clean, and on point!
Thanks Guy! I appreciate your comments and suggestions! I also can’t thank you enough for your donations!
@@bobcieslinski No problem, I’ve been enjoying your reactions although I’ve slipped into the bad (good?) habit of primarily following Japanese bands as their talent is so extremely high. Hopefully some of these suggestions will introduce you to them as well :). Oh, you might find it interesting that the “librarian” guitarist in Lisa-X is also one of Nemophila’s members, and a different look there lol.
@@guygourley2411 thanks Guy! I never even knew about these Japanese bands and I’m glad I do now. They are humble and just sooo good.
*SPOILER ALERT**
Violet was Jenny and Screech's Mother, they were Twins, born to a Mother the Victim of Domestic abuse and obviously put into the care system after their Mother Died and Father put in Prison for Killing Violet. They never met and didn't know each other existed and their paths crossed by chance when Screech robbed and killed his twin sister unknowingly.
That’s what I got from it .
Wow thanks for thr info. I was not getting that at all. What an ironic terrible story.
but I'm sure I will still liove ya
Actually, the story is told backwards. Screech killed his fraternal twin sister. Even sadder.
I’ve been told and yes it hat is so sad Elizabeth.
Yeah...no babies died man....The twins survived (the miracle), they were probably separated due to their mother Violet being deceased and their father in jail for kiling her. And they went on without knowing each other, only to meet again 14 years later in that alley that started the whole tale.
Wow thanks for thr great info I appreciate it.
You looking into the camera prevented you from seeing Ren's amazing performance of "he pinches her eyelids up". Please remember that we watch for your reaction TO THE VIDEO not to your camera.
Thanks for saying that. It was the most frustrating part of this reaction for me, as that is the most powerful/shocking moment in the video.
Well, that was a crime,wasn't it? Please remember that it is HIS reaction.Why don't you do reactions, then we can criticise what you do.
@@emelless5365 I take it that you're not familiar with the concept called constructive criticism or having a right to an opinion. So, if your opinion is that nobody should share theirs, your opinion is more than an opinion, it's narcissism bordering on delusions of tyrant power.
Do I have another channel where I do reactions? Yup, sure do.
Have I gotten constructive criticism? Yup, sure have and I NEVER took it like you are. Grow up boy.
No babies died.
Well that’s good because it had me kinda upset.
You didn't follow the story very well cos at the start of Violet's tale you were saying that maybe Screech is coming for her next. ?
Yeah the first listen I had trouble hearing what he was sayings. The voice and instruments tend to blend into one thing for me.
Screech died
Sorry but you totally missed so much, the relationships between them, the fact that patrick was out because he was with screeches 'babe', the punchline, this is so much more than a good listen! It's a story a visual experience etc etc.
I have a feeling it takes a few listens to get all of that David. This was my first listen. I did my best to get the lyrics through his accent.
Drugs is why it happens!
Yeah I bet it’s a big part of it plus environment.
What a mess! Cutting out the swearing is just artistic vandalism and to compound this aberration I don't even think that he really got this at all.
Thanks for the comments! Here is the reason why I had to make those cuts. I am currently an elementary band teacher. I have some of my kids who I teach who watch the channel. It would go against my day job for me to leave those things in the music. I am totally against censorship and normally would not do this. I had to think about this one for a month before I decided what was the right thing to do. So yes I understand your frustration, but now put yourself in my shoes and see it from my side. Thank you!
Screech was already dead the police killed him
Huh interesting. I wasn’t getting that. Thanks!
I'm sorry......why did you bleep him? I was raised close to Amish and I don't listen to pointless cursing, but what he uses is WARRENTED as part of the story. It's supposed to shock, they are..exclamation points. Unless you're reviewing this for grade school students, please just play the song without imposing censorship. They are not used...gratuitously as rap tends to. The GUITAR WORK....👀👀 He intentionally omits quite a bit of detail at certain places, to keep us from clutching our pearls and reaction in horror. I would add that he uses SILENCE in the same way; the moments he chooses to let....sit. NOW....Violet...the start....the storytelling! Thank you for reacting to this one! It is a hard listen, but a Shakespeareanly beautiful telling.
Hi there. If you knew me then you would know I am an elementary band director and some of my kids watch the channel. I have to be a good role model and this was an extremely tough choice that took me a month to decide. It was not easy because I don’t believe in censorship. I was very torn. Sorry it was not for you but I hope you gain some understanding. You never know what someone else is going through.
Loses quite a lot when you edit the cursing, Even though I understand why you do it.
Agreed and I don’t really understand. It’s okay for someone to review a song about children being victims of generational violence and their tragic deaths, but we draw the line at a couple f bombs? Booo
Probably the same deductive reasoning skills that don't realise Jenny and screech were siblings
@@LeeannG He edited out "bastard" and "prick," too. Double boo.
Yes but here’s why I did what I did. I am a teacher and some of my students along with other young people watch the videos. I don’t like censorship and I never have. It took me a month to decide to put this video out because I knew if I did I would have to censor parts of it because I am a teacher. I decided to out it out because people wanted it and I knew the people it most mattered too had already heard it and knew what was said. They would also get my reaction to it. The only thing would be that the kids watchjng would not hear those words. It’s a shame that some of Rens people missed his message and are coming down on me for it. I was in a a tough spot having to make a tough decision. I am happy that you understood Bob. Thanks!
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You really missed the mark at the end. I'm sure someone has already filled you in on what you missed.
Yes they did Michael. There was a lot to follow for my first time hearing this.
Shakespeare had tragedies too , and not this good
People have filled me in a bit Larry and this was an incredible story. Such a tragedy.
Silencing certain words is disrespectful to the art and artist. Those words are necessary to deliver the impact intended.
Yes I certainly get that Justin but with young people watching this as a teacher I could not put those in there.
I hope you're not the one that edited out every bit of harsh language ,ruined the flow, clarity and impact of what was being expressed imo, UA-cam allowed it in the original so why? Better to react to something you won't edit
Thanks Mr. Grady for the question. Some of my students watch my videos and because I am a teacher and I teach young kids I did not think it was a good idea to include come things. I’m not one to censor anything and it took me a month to decide what I wanted to do. I decided to edit it knowing that people who watched the video wanted my reaction and knew what the content was. So I did not make a difference to them because they were getting the reaction from me hearing it and they knew what the language was already. My students along with other young people would not hear that language. I made the best choice I could considering there was no right way to do this for everyone. Thanks for your understanding.
Violet was Jenny and Screech morher...
I missed that one thank you!
Respectfully, I am not intrested in censorship of the art form for any reason. I am fully aware this is your channel but perhaps you could post a PG label on your video so that you are not wasting the time of people like me ? Just a suggestion. Thank you for your time.
Hi Kielia! Thanks for the comments. Because I am a teacher and I know some of my students watch plus there are other young people. I had to cut out a few words. I’m not one for censorship but in this case I thought about it for a month trying to decide if I should put out the video or not. I decided it was better to out it out than not at all. Even though I knew it would not make some people happy. My apologies and I hope you understand I did not go into this lightly.
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I feel like you may have missed out on a valuable teaching moment especially related to the impact of language. It's important for anyone, especially students of music, to understand the impact of language. The tales are jarring. The language used is done so to emphasize that. I find that Ren doesn't tend throw cursing around haphazardly. Each word has a purpose. If you're planning to do anymore Ren, I'd suggest having someone review the songs beforehand to eliminate any with language you may feel the need to censor. Otherwise I feel you would be doing a disservice to both your student and non student audience.
@@meggsy82 I totally agree with you on having people suggest more appropriate songs with less Language issues. Thanks for the suggestion.
I'm sorry, but why would you censore a music video? It doesn't help keeping the mind off of what is meant, but only hurts the music/art. Fuck That! ;)
It’s kind of a story I’ve told several times and has to do with my students watching this channel and me being a teacher. I never censor anything it took a month to decide if I wanted to even put out the video after I recorded it because I knew people would say something. But I decided to do it since people asked me to. I’m glad you watched it but please understand this was not thr man putting this down it was more than that. Thanks!
Not sure why you had to cut out the bad language. That really takes away from the grittiness of the piece, IMHO.
I’m an elementary band teacher and some of my students watch my channel. I didn’t think it was appropriate for them. Normally I am against censorship but in this case it was a hard decision that took a month for me to decide.
@@bobcieslinski I get it. Apologies for my tone. I’m relaxed with kids and art. But I balance exposure as well. I would let my kids 9 years old and up watch it with explanations, but not a lot of other stuff, so who am I to judge? Your call is based on good intent. Again, I was out of line. 💙
@@StantonMoirano problem. I just wanted to explain it.
Pretty much every reactor I've seen misses the significance of "two-zero-zero-five" and just ignores it.
What is the significance.
@@bobcieslinskiViolet's tale happens in 2005. The song is from 2019. That's a 14-year difference. We've heard that number in Jenny's tale.
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Please do not remove the adult language, that is part of the story. I would prefer you just give a warning that the material contains adult language. If the adult language bothers you maybe you should not react to Ren.
Your changing the way it was meant by the artist to view. Would you be ok with someone editing your work? I do not watch reaction videos that the original was changed, edited, altered. Your changing the artists vision.
Hi Frank! I appreciate your comments. I’m never one to censor art. Remember my job is a music teacher so I’m on your side here. But please understand that because I am a teacher I also have a responsibility to be a role model for my students who do watch the channel. There are also other young students who watch. I spent about a month trying to decide how to handle this with respect to everyone. My apologies if it offended you. I arrived at my decision by realizing that I would be reacting to what I actually heard and what Ren wanted me to hear. I also knew that the people who cared about the song and Ren also knew the story. So the only ones who would not know what was said were the younger people who probably have never hear the song before. It was a tough choice but I made it and have to love with it. I hope you can understand.
Nope...off
Yep I missed it. I was being too superficial.
Please don't censor artists. I realize you have younger members, but don't devalue his art. You cut out the "bad" words, yet you keep the child aboos, grape, S assault, domestic violence, and death.
It’s a hard thing to try to keep what the artist intended and make it not for mature audiences. Sorry it wasn’t for you.
Close ..... but sadly you MISSED the mark. I am sure the rest of the comments will tell you just how much you missed by.
Yep. It’s hard to get all of that with thr first listen.
First off rather play his lyrics or do not as they are part of the story, remove them you remove the story, If you cant play Ren without censoring him simply don't cover him.
I totally get it Bill. It took me about a month to decide what I wanted to do. It’s hard with young people watching my channel and me being a teacher. I made a call and I wanted to get the video out since people asked me to do it. I also have a responsibility as a teacher too.
not sure why your talking like your watching for first time.. All the curse words are deleted . Which ruins song
Hi Craig. This was my first time with this song. I think it’s obvious because I missed a few things. I took those words out because I am a teacher and I have some of my young students watching plus other young people. It took me a long time to decide if I was going to do that or not release the song. Sorry it upset you.
@bobcieslinski this is not the outlet ..a quick note
it's funny sometimes a teacher and kids can't curse. At 8 or 9 most approve of switching genders . I thought your review was solid . i understand the complications of being a teacher. good luck
not real into you censoring my ears... not sure I care what you say.
I am a teacher and some of my students watch thr videos along with other young people. I don’t censor things but I had to consider it for this. It took me a month to decide what I wanted to do. I made the best call I could. Sorry you didn’t like it.
@@bobcieslinski This is a song you are listening to, not one that you are chosing the words in the song, you could preface the reaction that you don'tcondone some of the language, I think it a dis-service to the intelect of humanity, and preps them to be ok with other type censoring. Not good, but love ya and thanks for careing so for society. :)
3 stops in a minute. bored
I dont like his voice at all