2009 Audi S8 5.2L V10 Dyno and Carbon Cleaning

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  • @jdgamer5557
    @jdgamer5557 3 роки тому +10

    I have a 2010 s6 v10..150k miles. Changed the fuel pump and did coils. Running like a champ

    • @jessetabak4987
      @jessetabak4987 3 роки тому +1

      yeah i don't know what happened with this one 😂

    • @peteralexander1155
      @peteralexander1155 2 роки тому +2

      What do you mean by running like a champ? Gut feeling or did you put it on the dyno?

  • @arrsventing
    @arrsventing 7 років тому +14

    The published BHP is 444 (450PS). Check your intake flaps. There's no comparison between the V10 and earlier D2 V8 S8. The V10 is much quicker. I've had both a D2 and still enjoying a D3 V10 after 7 years in my ownership. Hope you update this great post

  • @Inanabananana
    @Inanabananana 4 роки тому +2

    You can tell by the engine note that it sounds so much healthier and clearer after the carbon clean

  • @zachsuydam3735
    @zachsuydam3735 8 років тому +32

    There are flaps inside the intake manifold that open and close to redirect air through different chambers for low end torque and higher rpm hp. One of the flaps may be froze or like on mine the arm from one of the motors to the flap had come off. Hope this helps since there is not much technical info on these cars online

    • @AlienMonkeyDXB
      @AlienMonkeyDXB 7 років тому

      You mean: "may have FROZEN", not froze... also "motors to the flap HAS come off" not had...

    • @konanoobiemaster
      @konanoobiemaster 6 років тому +9

      stfu & gtfo u db

    • @andreipetrica2292
      @andreipetrica2292 6 років тому

      zach suydam hi,how much cost the mantaining per year,i will buy one this year thats why i ask

    • @vasacsl63
      @vasacsl63 6 років тому +1

      Some oil leaks may require engine out which is 40hrs of labor also some hoses require engine out to be replaced,air struts are 700-1700$ per corner,air compressor is 1200$,intake manifold 2500$ plus labor,depends how lucky you are and what previous owner did to it.I want one too.

    • @jakesmith2984
      @jakesmith2984 6 років тому +4

      AlienMonkeyDXB man stfu

  • @invertedpolarity6890
    @invertedpolarity6890 6 років тому +16

    Any updates on this? Did you figure out why the car is still down on power even after carbon cleaning? Most likely intake manifold with broken flaps?

  • @suprafrase
    @suprafrase 6 років тому +7

    You need to look much further into this. Healthy V10 S8's are putting 365-370hp to wheels normally. How many miles has the car done and have the spark plugs, air and fuel filters been replaced. Sounds like its got a deeper problem to be losing around 70 ish horsepower. Hope you have some luck with it. Mines has just under 80k miles on the clock and runs like a champ. Regular servicing and good fuel is the key.

  • @SpecBC84
    @SpecBC84 8 років тому +5

    I am sure the shop mentioned this but dyno dynamics are typically known for lower power readings but it all depends on their correction factors. What you realistically would need to know from them is how much a new bone stock car made. Obviously hard to know now, but if they reg tune audis have them look at their history. Your power may not actually be that much less now, but the graph def looks a bit odd.
    Great video though and love the before and after analysis!

  • @yourmasfav9034
    @yourmasfav9034 Рік тому +1

    $1400 for a carbon clean bruh i did it for $50 with new gaskets, carb cleaner and a drill with tip ties in it and it came out cleaner than those pictures

  • @Nordic_Mechanic
    @Nordic_Mechanic 5 років тому +2

    Check that you airboxes open at high rpm. There are flaps in the box the air filters live. Mine had broken tubes and they wouldnt open, causing a massive drop in intake pressure (too much restriction)

    • @dcswings
      @dcswings Рік тому

      is taht on the s6 too?

  • @elxso18
    @elxso18 7 років тому +4

    I would recommend replacing spark plugs and air filters, if you haven’t. Use oem plugs only. If your flaps are getting stuck it would give a check engine light, so I don’t think it’s the flaps.

    • @Beanzy72
      @Beanzy72 7 років тому

      elxso18 flaps won’t show a check engine light they are vacuum controlled

    • @elxso18
      @elxso18 7 років тому

      Beancent7290 yes they will they have angle sensors to detect position of flap

    • @Beanzy72
      @Beanzy72 7 років тому

      elxso18 first paragraph last sentence i61.tinypic.com/m81ob7.jpg the reason is pretty simple. There's nothing to detect airflow after the MAF it does all of the measurements before the flaps. So having telemetry on manifold flap position is useless. It already has info on how much air is going into the manifold.

    • @elxso18
      @elxso18 7 років тому +1

      Beancent7290 have you ever worked on the audi FSI engines? Your comment makes no sense.

    • @lacikam
      @lacikam 5 років тому

      Not true. Mine didnt show anything and had to be changed.

  • @HannibalACP82
    @HannibalACP82 4 роки тому +6

    Had the same issue overseas. 100% an intake manifold issue.

  • @porschetigersince2006
    @porschetigersince2006 7 років тому +6

    The intake on these sedans are essential a ram air set up, Because of this, You'll always make less power on a dyno than when driven.
    You can follow the air ducting to the just behind the front grille.

  • @Blackshinigami08
    @Blackshinigami08 8 років тому +1

    I'm shopping around for one of these in the DMV area. Thanks for publishing this information.

    • @chrisbriggs3
      @chrisbriggs3  8 років тому

      I live in Woodbridge Virginia. Good luck with the car shopping. Definitely contact an Audi service center with the VIN to see what maintenance has been done.

    • @Blackshinigami08
      @Blackshinigami08 8 років тому

      For sure. Specifically I'm shopping between the S8 and the S6. I haven't quite settled on which I really want yet. If I can independently update the head unit (starting to get a bit dated) for the infotainment system in some sensible manner on either one, it may get the edge.
      It's either these cars, a 535xi wagon, or an A6 TDI at the top of my shopping list.
      I have some hard choices to make haha.

    • @christopherwalker6056
      @christopherwalker6056 8 років тому

      Please don't get the 535xi wagon, or ANY wagon for that matter. lol Get the S8 or S6! Whichever one presents the best deal, bang for your buck etc. I LOVE Audi. God bless!

    • @Blackshinigami08
      @Blackshinigami08 8 років тому +1

      Christopher Walker why the wagon hate dawg L I l

    • @christopherwalker6056
      @christopherwalker6056 8 років тому +1

      Jarrett Paige I don't know man, it's like that hatchback Ferrari. If you can afford a Ferrari, why the heck would you get that hatchback/wagon lookin thing. lol It's actually starting to grow on me though. It's just 'different'. That's for sure.

  • @DaCocoBrova
    @DaCocoBrova 7 років тому +2

    Awesome vid! You're local too! I will def be hitting up NGP for a carbon cleaning.

  • @deruberrs6v10kanal5
    @deruberrs6v10kanal5 7 років тому +3

    Tyre pressures, RON of fuel should be 98 or 99, quality and condition of wheel bearings, diff oil replacement recently? Brake calipers binding? Compression test carried out on all cylinders? Spark (iridium) plugs every 50k miles are really important.

    • @nayagoesglobal
      @nayagoesglobal 7 років тому

      Hey man any suggestion on what oil to use for cold weather S8 v10 2009

    • @kodylaird9342
      @kodylaird9342 5 років тому

      Jsyk copper plugs provide way more hp than iridiums, iridiums just last longer

  • @johnnyturbo8460
    @johnnyturbo8460 5 років тому +1

    Possible fuel pump or fuel filter issues. Or coil packs. Seems the fuel or spark is having a hard time keeping up with the rpms. Or the valve variable timing is not working correctly.
    Whats the fuel mixture graph look like?

  • @ReconVette19D
    @ReconVette19D 8 років тому +3

    any new results?? this is crazy, when i first read about this car I thought it would be so cool to mod one! my 5.7 engine is making 405 at wheels. the right tuner should be able to get these v10's going

  • @UniversalPerformanceEnthusiast
    @UniversalPerformanceEnthusiast 7 років тому +2

    how reliable has the car been overall, most expensive repairs and recommended things to look out for when purchasing a used with 100k miles on it? what performance mods have you done?

  • @SolarBlackShine
    @SolarBlackShine 8 років тому +4

    Im just curious on what wheels they are. They look perfect on that S8

  • @TheDikilson
    @TheDikilson 6 років тому +1

    Very interesting video how to deal with this Mechanical issue...

  • @andrewpurdy5382
    @andrewpurdy5382 5 років тому

    CHRISTOPHER WHAT WAS THE PROBLEM WITH THE AUDI S8 V10 AND THE LOSS OF POWER ON THE DINO PLEASE REPLY MANY THANKS

  • @uwkcal
    @uwkcal 8 років тому +2

    Great video bro! keep them coming, i wanna know more about the s8 aswell! very poor info on these v10 s8 cars!

  • @MidShipCivic
    @MidShipCivic 7 років тому +1

    Not a common fuel rail (run of the mill thickness you'll find in port injected vehicles) it's far thicker and larger but GDI is a common rail multi point injection, it's just direct injection

  • @stephen9869
    @stephen9869 5 років тому

    Carbon cleaning definitely works.For £90 it made my 140k BMW e45 325i Sport manual with 140k run like brand new! It's now running 207 BHP and 265NM :-)

    • @LuisA-fc3ox
      @LuisA-fc3ox 5 років тому

      £90? What type of cleaning did you do? Walnut shell blasting ?

  • @zizouth
    @zizouth 8 років тому +18

    Why the car no not same licence plate? :)

    • @huanweili7699
      @huanweili7699 8 років тому +2

      Aziz THRAYA
      lmfao.
      i didnt even saw that until you mention it. lol.
      yeah! why are the plates different?

    • @CodrinH
      @CodrinH 7 років тому

      Also have a look on the wind shield and you can notice that the stickers are different. 1st car - one white sticker in the mid and one in the right; 2nd car - two stickers in the mid !

    • @CodrinH
      @CodrinH 7 років тому

      + windshield stickers

    • @DaytonCarCare
      @DaytonCarCare 7 років тому

      I assume he just purchased the car so after title/reg update new plate and different sticker on windshield for whatever reason (parking permit)

  • @iMarTn777
    @iMarTn777 7 років тому +1

    nice video. you got any more info about the powerloss ?

  • @christopherwalker6056
    @christopherwalker6056 8 років тому +3

    Man I was hoping after paying the $1400 you would get like a 100 horsepower increase. At least more than 29hp. That is one beautiful Audi though! I hope you provide additional vids in the future. God bless!

    • @deruberrs6v10kanal5
      @deruberrs6v10kanal5 8 років тому +3

      Depends on oil quality, history of regular oilchanges, quality of oil in rear diff, gearbox Ravenol oil, spark plugs replacement every 50k miles, fuel filter replaced every 20k miles, octane levels of fuel, tyre pressures

    • @ervie60
      @ervie60 7 років тому

      Octane is a number..not a level

    • @ikariku
      @ikariku 6 років тому

      I agree, maybe the engine has wear and have low compression. With all that money spent in "skilled" labors they should have noticed any manifold flap failure

  • @Meatwadk6
    @Meatwadk6 7 років тому +1

    Did you ever get this figured out? Did the flaps everyone mentioned end up being the culprit?

  • @andylavender8516
    @andylavender8516 7 років тому

    I don't know if you have checked out JHM they have a bunch of perfornance options now available as well as Audirevolution.net seem to have a good handle on how to get hese cars some power even down into the 12 second mark on the drag strip.

  • @PlayboyMelo
    @PlayboyMelo 4 роки тому

    Did you ever get to solve the problem??

  • @zenden6564
    @zenden6564 6 років тому +2

    Hi Chris.
    I realise I am late to this conversation but did you find a root cause?
    I've got an 09 v6 - 3Litre supercharged making 260hp on the wheels.
    I believe you should be getting more like 370-380 hp on the wheels with the V10.
    Firstly how many miles on the engine?
    Secondly a full Audi engine diagnostic sounds like it is well worthwhile?
    If it's any consolation, once you've got the engine low output sorted, the benefit of the inlet port clean will be more pronounced :)

    • @CoachD4
      @CoachD4 6 років тому

      You're fucking dumb not even knowing the specs of your own car jesus christ

  • @VCA.design
    @VCA.design 6 років тому

    what kind of octane fuel did you use? Germany has 95 up to 102 octane at their fuelstations....

  • @eric4946
    @eric4946 7 років тому +2

    Target hp should be around 340-350.
    Recommend doing a few oil changes with some seafoam at 1000 mile intervals, a seafoam intake cleaning, spark plugs , MAF clean and air filters.

  • @tnutss
    @tnutss 6 років тому +1

    did you ever figure out what it was taking down your HP?

  • @erichickman687
    @erichickman687 8 років тому +11

    try taking a look at you intake manifold flaps

  • @Upstatecashew
    @Upstatecashew 4 роки тому +1

    Are you dan aykroyd?

  • @rocky179617
    @rocky179617 5 років тому +2

    still waiting for the intake update...

    • @kodylaird9342
      @kodylaird9342 5 років тому

      What do you mean? The m revision came out long ago? Is there another update coming?

  • @teroviander2437
    @teroviander2437 6 років тому +1

    There is problems with some pistons, check the engine pressure

  • @ALaw2294
    @ALaw2294 8 років тому +8

    Did you ever figure out what the power dip was?

    • @st33fie
      @st33fie 7 років тому +8

      The fan can't produce a 155mph wind the V10 generates a lot of heat very fast. to dyno these cars the best thing is crank the heater all the way up and place a second fan and or remove the front bumper .
      then the ecu wont intervene and change the ignition moment all together .
      even then you'll have a very small window to measure the power .
      And then there are things like the condition of the coolant it self ,the radiators are they clean ? sometimes they are a little chocked by debris building up over the years .
      Air filters are they clean, the condition of the Spark plugs make a huge difference with this engine .
      people underestimate the effect of older spark plugs with high performance engines.
      and last the type of fuel is it running premium fuel ?

  • @s6daddy670
    @s6daddy670 6 років тому

    Any lead on this power loss issue my 07 S8 is feeling like less power and I had carbon cleaning done a year ago with a new intake manifold die to broken arm on it.

    • @appolin2606
      @appolin2606 5 років тому

      What is your power?

    • @s6daddy670
      @s6daddy670 5 років тому

      @@appolin2606 havent dynos it yea but I was thinking spark plugs since they haven't been changed for a couple years.

    • @appolin2606
      @appolin2606 5 років тому

      @@s6daddy670 How much power does your S8 show?

    • @s6daddy670
      @s6daddy670 5 років тому

      @@appolin2606 suppose to have 450hp but might be use to the power now.

  • @yougottstomoveon
    @yougottstomoveon 2 роки тому

    Which rims and size did you get? You’ve inspired me man! Beautiful car.

  • @ericpena1508
    @ericpena1508 3 роки тому

    That’s weird my car a 2010 was keeping up with my cousins scat pack and that was before I had it done the carbon cleaning and did some mods to the engine

  • @peri77hu
    @peri77hu 8 років тому +2

    Remove and inspect the intake manifold as told before. Also there are vales at the back of the air cleaner houses. Check if they open when the engine needs more air.

  • @MrWilburlandaverde
    @MrWilburlandaverde 8 років тому +1

    Fuel?

  • @attila3313
    @attila3313 6 років тому

    Different license plate, why?

  • @jasweid
    @jasweid 7 років тому +1

    Camshaft tensioners

  • @KestutisG93
    @KestutisG93 7 років тому +1

    What rims on this audi?

  • @JuelzTheGreat117
    @JuelzTheGreat117 8 років тому +1

    Keep me updated!

  • @theenglishtrucker1849
    @theenglishtrucker1849 4 роки тому

    Intake Manifold £2000. Ouch. My 2.0TFSI has the same power as a coked up 5.2 V10...fancy a race?

  • @garrettm7993
    @garrettm7993 8 років тому +1

    That's the wackiest dyno chart I've ever seen, might want to look into why the power delivery is so inconsistent. I have owned three vehicles and I've had them all on the dyno, none of my vehicles had much power loss- usually about 20-40 less hp then what it has at the crank. Even with the carb cleanout your V10 Audi should put out more power then my 2006 Mustang GT used to, it put out 260hp and mid 280 torque to the wheels with only a 4.6 V8.

  • @Luftwoller
    @Luftwoller 6 років тому +1

    I had to slow the video to half speed so that I could understand what the guy was saying.

  • @maryhelenbriggs
    @maryhelenbriggs 8 років тому +2

    NICE CAR I LOVE IT! =3

  • @wafi3187
    @wafi3187 6 років тому +1

    Lamborghini engine in the 4door sedan!!! Audi is the best👍👍

  • @maxboya
    @maxboya 7 років тому +1

    Update ?

  • @dins.garage
    @dins.garage 2 роки тому +1

    The 5.2 V10 engine used in the Audi S8 and S6 (2006 was the release of the new V10 in S6/S8) models is NOT the engine found in the Gallardo or Audi R8. The first generation Gallardo (2003-2008 model years) used the 5.0 V10, an engine that is entirely Lamborghini-designed and Italian-made. The Audi V10 in the S8 and S6 (5.2) is actually based on the newer Audi 4.2 V8 design which used timing chains found in the back of the engine, all they did was add two cylinders. Though Audi had owned Lamborghini since 1998, they did not reach out to Lamborghini for the V10 in said S8 and S6. When Lamborghini needed a new V10 to put in the newer 2nd generation Gallardo and Audi was looking to put a more powerful engine in the Audi R8 (this was around 2008), they decided to codevelop the V10 for these two cars. Audi essentially told Lamborghini that they already had a V10 made a couple of years ago but it wasn't powerful enough and didn't have the high RPMs of a supercar engine. What they decided to do was pretty much scrap the whole engine but kept the majority of the engine block of the S8/S6 V10 the same. But they completely overhauled the rest of the engine resulting in 552hp @ 8,000rpm and 398ftlbs of torque @ 6,500rpm. So no it is not derived from the Lamborghini nor is it a Lamborghini engine but you can say you have 20% of one😉.

    • @vana6666
      @vana6666 3 місяці тому +3

      Tell me where I can read about the history of the creation of the 5.0 V10 Lamborghini engine?
      Looking at this engine, I see that the timing chains are also located behind the engine. I also see that the piston stroke of the 5.2 engine is exactly the same as that of the 5.0. And what is characteristic is that it has a long-stroke design. Which is not typical for Lamborghini engines and any Italian supercars. But just typical for VAG engines

    • @dins.garage
      @dins.garage 3 місяці тому

      @@vana6666 5.0 is the Lamborghini engine, I posted this comment a while ago but Wikipedia has a lot of information on these engines. There are 3 different 5.2 v10 engines from VAG

    • @vana6666
      @vana6666 3 місяці тому

      @@dins.garage I don’t find any official information on Wikipedia. Only the same assumptions as yours.

    • @vana6666
      @vana6666 3 місяці тому

      ​@@dins.garage Lamborghini had a concept car called Cala which had a 3.9 V10 engine which has nothing in common with the 5.0 V10 engine

  • @blackflagpirate3444
    @blackflagpirate3444 6 років тому +1

    Maybe the Carbon was sealing a broken seal 🤔

    • @motorcyclerescuer
      @motorcyclerescuer 6 років тому

      Is this something that happens? I'm considering getting my old diesel van carbon cleaned but was wondering if there were any potential negitive to it?

  • @Tazmannn12345
    @Tazmannn12345 6 років тому

    Alloys??

  • @47575344
    @47575344 Рік тому

    AYO $1400 dollars?! i do carbon clean at home for like 50 bucks

  • @RICHIE_RICH89
    @RICHIE_RICH89 5 років тому

    You must must run audis cleaner often

  • @jeromebalingon9073
    @jeromebalingon9073 8 років тому +4

    les deux véhicules de test ne sont pas les meme entre le avant/apres, il suffit de regarder l'immatriculation des autos

  • @mitchlesinski7803
    @mitchlesinski7803 5 років тому

    Proper vid

  • @TheAngelsVlog
    @TheAngelsVlog 6 років тому

    This is Audi S8 with V10 engine is not the car that suppose to show results, because this is very powerful engine, which burn the fuel at higher temperature, so there will be not that much significant deposits of carbon! Maybe there is some regular engines to show results!
    By specs of here: www.edmunds.com/audi/s8/2009/features-specs/
    This vehicle is 450 h.p. , so I wonder how it lost more than 150 h.p. just before measuring/carbon cleaning???
    Then it got some H.p. more , which is also not the real, because if this engine lose 150 h.p. it will be not working totally...
    Also, I really wonder how you guys always showing the intake valves??? There is no burning process in the intake valves, so how do you think they will be cleaned by oxy-hydrogen, because oxy-hydrogen is cleaning where is burning process during operation! You better think when you trying to show results of this cleaning, because this video is bad made scenario for results! Same as Chinese with white cloth behind the car is measuring carbon soot! There is many other ways to check what you have done about removing carbon deposits... See this example: ua-cam.com/video/MIUf8o-_B6Q/v-deo.html

  • @speedhead42
    @speedhead42 8 років тому +3

    Old (1999-2001) 4.2 S8s typically do about 290-300 whp on the dyno... Sorry, but those newer FSI engines are just a (bad) joke.

  • @invertedpolarity6890
    @invertedpolarity6890 6 років тому +1

    You could have cleaned the intake valves yourself with about 8 hours of work and $50.

  • @cristianc5694
    @cristianc5694 6 років тому +1

    No es el mismo coche tiene otra matricula y todo

  • @jphillips360noscope
    @jphillips360noscope 6 років тому

    that curb rash hurts my feels :(

  • @shawntravelstheworld911
    @shawntravelstheworld911 6 років тому +1

    I would put in a new fuel pump.

  • @xyxxyz942
    @xyxxyz942 4 роки тому

    286 hp wtf ? this is s8 ?

  • @Petozzi
    @Petozzi 5 років тому

    Faulty intake flaps.

  • @philliphoffman3979
    @philliphoffman3979 6 років тому +3

    Sounds like a huracan!!!!

    • @leckbobi4223
      @leckbobi4223 4 роки тому +2

      Phillip Hoffman ist ja der selber motor🤦‍♂️

  • @Tom--Ace
    @Tom--Ace 6 років тому +1

    MAF

  • @georgexio5430
    @georgexio5430 7 років тому +3

    Yea speak more clearly

  • @mpalaouros21
    @mpalaouros21 6 років тому +1

    NO WAY.

  • @47Rus_serg
    @47Rus_serg 5 років тому +1

    Жеке ваг центр закинте бабулек за рекламу)

  • @msengineeringdavid3702
    @msengineeringdavid3702 6 років тому

    Run a catch can and you won’t get that build up.

  • @CanIbeFrank
    @CanIbeFrank 7 років тому

    Audi can't make a fast car without turbos! lol. That might be the worst result I've ever seen for any car on any dyno. 450 to 268....

    • @stephen9869
      @stephen9869 5 років тому

      Audi S5 Supercharged is fast!

    • @mrrciq
      @mrrciq 5 років тому

      You forgot about the R8 and all the modern V10 Lambos (which run the same Audi engine).

  • @Pjmperez01
    @Pjmperez01 7 років тому +1

    I was thinking Seafoam....

  • @rasmus123f
    @rasmus123f 6 років тому

    Straight off wiki

  • @ashezplayboy
    @ashezplayboy 6 років тому +1

    Lw wheels, lw pulley, lw rotors, lw flywheel

  • @CEEPMDEE
    @CEEPMDEE 7 років тому +3

    Here is a valuable tip: SELL IT! Audi's are getting cheaper in quality every day. Sexy cars but they drop in value like a cinderblock off a roof top. This is because they are NOT designed to last and are very expensive to get parts for and repair. I owned a 2.7T a6 back in the day. I drove it for 10years and it had so many gremlins, today's audi's have more.

    • @20vturbopower
      @20vturbopower 6 років тому +1

      CEEPMDEE That may be your experience but my B6 A4 has 265k miles on the original motor and still driving perfect.

    • @kassenz
      @kassenz 6 років тому

      Haha I just bought mine for $500!!
      Seller was going thru a divorce and she didn't have a place to park it at her new apartment. It needed tires, alignment, inner tie rod, battery, spark plugs, and a intake cleaning. Should I flip it? It's fun to drive

    • @christopherwilson6527
      @christopherwilson6527 6 років тому

      Nope

  • @jaybusa3302
    @jaybusa3302 6 років тому +1

    Yeah i got a tip. Sell that thing.

  • @tacocruiser4238
    @tacocruiser4238 7 років тому +1

    i have an idea....just buy a good old port injection car!

  • @johnbowen2963
    @johnbowen2963 4 роки тому

    ROBOT TALKING. DANGER DANGER WILL ROBERTSON

  • @brentphillips9247
    @brentphillips9247 5 років тому

    Let me help explain. VW is Audi. VW got busted lying about mpgs, the A8 4.2 I have has a recall for emissions because they lied about that too. They are liar's. I had the carbon issue on my 4.2. I've owned a lot of cars and trucks over the years. I have never regreted one as much as my Audi. BY FAR the biggest overpriced piece of unreliable value losing junk I've ever owned. Nothing but issues. Go to the forums. Chock full of common known issues and very expensive to repair anything of course. It's a beautiful car but after that. It is designed to fail on every engineering level in it if it's over 5 yrs old. Planned obsolescence is the business model first and foremost for Audi Corp If you are here thinking of buying a used one run. There is a reason they drop 70% of their value in the first 5years and that's after costing $100k.