Looks like the Dev One is officially a fail. HP has stopped production and development of the Dev One and is just providing 3 years of support to already sold units.
I left out more info than I realized for time but importantly missed was thermals and noise. Although the laptop wasn't very power efficient it was cool and quiet. During the nearly thirty-minute kernel compile the CPU temps maxed at just 84C and the fans stay very quiet. UPDATE: After some more time with the Dev One I just couldn't get past the screen issues and have decided to return it. On the positive side HP customer service was excellent and I had an RMA # and return label within 24 hours.
The privacy screen is definitely the worst part of this laptop. I use it regularly and I absolutely love this laptop, but the screen is so distracting.
"Real dev" here -- been programming for hire for over 20 years. Mostly python nowadays, but some scala, R, Typescript, sometimes a bit of java. I love this laptop. First, address a couple of the concerns others have pointed out -- yes, the screen sucks. But I don't do a lot of my development on the laptop screen. I almost always have several browser tabs open with documentation, I've got multiple terminal windows up and my IDE is front and center. That requires multiple monitors. I only use the laptop screen when I'm out and about at meetups, or doing some quick work outside my home office, and for those things, it is works great. I don't agree that an ethernet port is required for a "real" developer machine. I've used Macbooks for several years; they haven't had built-in ethernet ports since 2012, I think. I work as a data engineer, and as a result, I often work with massive datasets; I've rarely had a problem with wi-fi speeds. On the rare occasion when I need more speed, I hook up to a dock or a dongle. If you are gaming, then tons of memory, high-end processor and gpu is required; but if you are just slinging code -- well, I've actually done it on one of those early netbooks before. I like power as much as anyone, but I like inexpensive even better. IMO, this is a good balance between performance and cost. It is more than powerful enough to be used as a daily driver without breaking the bank. I own an M1 MBP; I like it, but the only reason I've continued to use Macs is that the Linux desktop experience just wasn't quite usable enough for me. However, pop! OS has changed my mind. I'm going to give it another three or four months, but I can see myself selling off my MBP and just using this little beauty for my every day. I have never said that about any other laptop, and I have had at least one Linux system around my house since 1999.
Guys. While branded as a specialty Linux development, I am pretty sure the laptop is essentially a variant of the 845 Eleitebook G8. Just take a look an 845 G8 teardown, and you'll see the mobo seems to be identical. This may also explain why the 845 G8 is such a great, modular and serviceable laptop. Thank you system 76 for contributing to a refreshingly serviceable laptop, the design of which HP couldn't help but leverage in more mainstream models.
I watched this from my Dev One. I love it. I meets my needs perfectly. I LOVE the features of Pop OS. The windows management is amazing. An not having to install and handle all of the issues that pop up makes me happy.
One thing you didn't mention that you should have is the price. $1099 MSRP for this laptop is a killer feature and makes some of the shortfalls bearable. I really enjoy my DevOne, and a big reason I purchased it was the price.
Minor nit: The drive should be upgradable with a 4 TB NVMe module, not a "4 Gig" drive. I don't feel as strongly about the ethernet port as some do. At my desk, I'll have a dock and that has an ethernet port. It's been a long time since I used an ethernet port on the road. Leaving that off the laptop itself is OK by me.
This is why I use my M1 MacBook Air for development on the go with my Ubuntu desktop that I can ssh into for more power/compatability. I get the MS Office suite, integration with my iPhone/iPad mini (iMessage, photo sync, etc...), a great email client (a hidden gem of macOS), and one of the best laptops out there. The M1 Air I use (16gb/1tb) never has even gotten remotely warm to the touch, puts out no fan noise (no fan), has a great keyboard, great screen, best trackpad in the industry, and hibernates better than any other laptop I've used (I close the lid for days and come back with the same battery life). The M1 is surprisingly powerful for how much power it draws and I can do a lot of dev work on device. If I need more power (tensorflow work for example), I just ssh into my home server and use it. VS code and the latest Jetbrains IDEs help a lot with this remote work because I can start remote sessions and debug software like it was on my laptop. Honestly, it's really made it hard to get any other laptop because of how good the M1 has been since I got it early last year.
This laptop reminds me a little of the Dell XPS Developer Edition that ships with the latest Ubuntu LTS out of the box. It is cool that they offer it, and it is a decent offering, but there is little to no real integration done.
@@ericjohnson5990 I don't dislike it. I am happy Dell worked with Canonical to release it and that they have done so for so long. That being said, I just wish a little more was done to marry the hardware and software together.
@@ElevatedSystems I've done some brief redditing and it seems like even system 76 laptops have horrible battery life that is a far cry from their projected claims. But maybe that's the exception and not the rule.
I think an ethernet port should be mandatory. Yes, most people use wifi but ethernet is more reliable, usually faster and you can troubleshoot your network with ease.
I used to say this a lot. Then I found myself never using it and being too lazy to connect a cable when I can connect to wifi automatically. I don't even care anymore 😄
Eh, though I love using Ethernet on my laptop, owning a USB 3.0 to Ethernet adapter is affordable enough for anyone who wants one, if it's that big of an issue nowadays. Especially since modern laptops are trying their best to be slimmer.
I've been programming professionally for slightly more than a decade and I've very rarely, if ever, required an Ethernet port on my laptops. The only exception would be the times I've tried to install Linux on systems that have troublesome WiFi modules and I need an Ethernet cable to download the correct drivers. If someone really needs an Ethernet port, they can get it on a USB C hub. My hub has it though I don't use it. I daily drive this laptop and the only complaint I have is the super glossy screen. I prefer the Framework laptop to this because of the better screen and the 3:2 aspect ratio, though when it comes to speed, the Dev One does significantly better than the 11th gen Intel processor that powers the Framework
Thanks for talking me out of dropping 1k for this thing; the rainbow-effect would drive me insane. You can put Linux on any modded laptop for half the price.
Thanks for the detailed review CJ. I (like many developers) am old-school when it comes to Ethernet: I always prefer it over WiFi. I admire the way you stopped short of saying ‘frankly, it’s for masochists’. It’s perfectly politically correct saying ‘maybe it’s perfect for someone’. No, I’m probably not that guy either. 😊
@7:55 => Upgrade the drive to a 4 GIG module. I would prefer a 4TB drive. Why would anyone upgrade to 4G. Can you edit after posting this fantastic evaluation ? Love the System 76 Thank you for a fab Colorado review.
Stupid question from a new linux user, but how do you log off or restart the HP Dev One? I just got mine, and I can't find any sort of start menu or toolbar with those options. And nothing I find online seems to directly explain it. I saw I can type in "log out" after hitting the super key, but I was hoping for an actual button to click instead of needing to type it out every time. [EDIT] - Just found the options are in the battery/volume button in the top toolbar. Not where I would have expected, but at least I found it.
That's something I'd be really interested in as well. But if I wanted a laptop to be perfect, I'd need a hotswap keyboard with CherryMX ULP switches, an OLED display with pen support, delidded and undervolted CPU in an actual socket so that it can be replaced on its own, I'd collab with AudioQuest to get a great built-in DAC and the list could go on and on. If I had the money, I'd get the Framework laptop in a heartbeat (though I don't have the money so I don't even have to be sad that they don't ship to my country 😆)
A Windows machine rehashed as *developer* _centric_ laptop ! The lack of software integration, battery drain and missing ethernet port broke this camels back. I think M1 Macbook air will serve my purposes very well. btw the funny thing about the B-Roll (9:24), that showed a paid actor typing. Did you all notice she was using her index finger to press _space_ . I am sure this was her first time on a computer (9:24). _Very balanced review_ Thanks
Would installing windows 11 as my main and only OS on this machine(dev one) run smoothly? Im looking to take out Pop Os! And installing windows 11 instead, what are your thoughts on doing this. Please Advice. Thank you.
Hey is there a chance that when you do performance comparison graphs you could do another graph where you show performance per dollar so its easier to compare laptops? i think that would be pretty interesting to see. good video
I hate this type of arrow keys i prefer having the full arrow keys they can simply do that with just extending that button. Lenovo is doing that and i really like that aproch
HP has been doing this forever on anything below 15 inches (not included). My 2016 Envy has them and I kinda dislike them. That said, I use the left and right arrow way more (to switch virtual desktop for example) and since the volume controls are above the keyboard it’s **fine**. Acer laptop have those arrived and the volume and brightness contrôles are bound to them (with Fn pressed first). And on THOSE you can tell how annoying it is.
"I believe is upgradable to a 4 gig drive" I've noticed that UA-camrs will say gig when it's obvious they mean terribyte sometimes lol. Also a 4TB SSD must be pretty expensive.
Couldn't help noticing that in the benchmark you ran the framework with below-spec ram. Why not run it with the recommended 3200mhz like you did with the dev one?
The Framework is the DIY model and 32GB of 2666 cost the same as 16GB of 3200 SODIMM and the 534MHz makes no measurable performance diference on the Intel platform.
When I first heard about the Dev 1, I was excited. Then I found that HP EliteBook 845 and 865 G9 exist and I'm not really impressed anymore 😆 I don't have money for either, so it doesn't really matter 🤣 And I'm one of the guys who use Arch (btw) and tell everyone that using an OS you didn't install yourself and having preinstalled things you don't even know the purpose of is just a bad idea. I actually like searching for laptops and coming up with PC specs more than actually playing games on them so I'd want a laptop that has two memory slots (no soldered memory), at least 400 nits and and backlit keyboard without the numpad. Good battery life is and a thunderbolt port are nice benefits; lack isn't a dealbreaker. If I had the money, I'd just buy something that meets these requirements and install Arch. It would be just perfect 🙂
Looks like the Dev One is officially a fail. HP has stopped production and development of the Dev One and is just providing 3 years of support to already sold units.
:(
I left out more info than I realized for time but importantly missed was thermals and noise. Although the laptop wasn't very power efficient it was cool and quiet. During the nearly thirty-minute kernel compile the CPU temps maxed at just 84C and the fans stay very quiet. UPDATE: After some more time with the Dev One I just couldn't get past the screen issues and have decided to return it. On the positive side HP customer service was excellent and I had an RMA # and return label within 24 hours.
The privacy screen is definitely the worst part of this laptop. I use it regularly and I absolutely love this laptop, but the screen is so distracting.
"Real dev" here -- been programming for hire for over 20 years. Mostly python nowadays, but some scala, R, Typescript, sometimes a bit of java. I love this laptop. First, address a couple of the concerns others have pointed out -- yes, the screen sucks. But I don't do a lot of my development on the laptop screen. I almost always have several browser tabs open with documentation, I've got multiple terminal windows up and my IDE is front and center. That requires multiple monitors. I only use the laptop screen when I'm out and about at meetups, or doing some quick work outside my home office, and for those things, it is works great. I don't agree that an ethernet port is required for a "real" developer machine. I've used Macbooks for several years; they haven't had built-in ethernet ports since 2012, I think. I work as a data engineer, and as a result, I often work with massive datasets; I've rarely had a problem with wi-fi speeds. On the rare occasion when I need more speed, I hook up to a dock or a dongle. If you are gaming, then tons of memory, high-end processor and gpu is required; but if you are just slinging code -- well, I've actually done it on one of those early netbooks before. I like power as much as anyone, but I like inexpensive even better. IMO, this is a good balance between performance and cost. It is more than powerful enough to be used as a daily driver without breaking the bank. I own an M1 MBP; I like it, but the only reason I've continued to use Macs is that the Linux desktop experience just wasn't quite usable enough for me. However, pop! OS has changed my mind. I'm going to give it another three or four months, but I can see myself selling off my MBP and just using this little beauty for my every day. I have never said that about any other laptop, and I have had at least one Linux system around my house since 1999.
In the end, did you stick with the HP Dev or the M1 MBP?
Guys. While branded as a specialty Linux development, I am pretty sure the laptop is essentially a variant of the 845 Eleitebook G8. Just take a look an 845 G8 teardown, and you'll see the mobo seems to be identical. This may also explain why the 845 G8 is such a great, modular and serviceable laptop. Thank you system 76 for contributing to a refreshingly serviceable laptop, the design of which HP couldn't help but leverage in more mainstream models.
If system76 made the dev one chassis as one of their laptops, I would buy it in a heartbeat.
I watched this from my Dev One. I love it. I meets my needs perfectly. I LOVE the features of Pop OS. The windows management is amazing. An not having to install and handle all of the issues that pop up makes me happy.
Lol POP OS....
One thing you didn't mention that you should have is the price. $1099 MSRP for this laptop is a killer feature and makes some of the shortfalls bearable. I really enjoy my DevOne, and a big reason I purchased it was the price.
you can even get it for $200 off right now
Asked my friend to bring the laptop as my Acer Swift 3 does not work properly with Linux (elementary OS) Installed.
@@AaronBrooks0321 Not anymore, seems sold out lol
Minor nit: The drive should be upgradable with a 4 TB NVMe module, not a "4 Gig" drive.
I don't feel as strongly about the ethernet port as some do. At my desk, I'll have a dock and that has an ethernet port. It's been a long time since I used an ethernet port on the road. Leaving that off the laptop itself is OK by me.
This is why I use my M1 MacBook Air for development on the go with my Ubuntu desktop that I can ssh into for more power/compatability. I get the MS Office suite, integration with my iPhone/iPad mini (iMessage, photo sync, etc...), a great email client (a hidden gem of macOS), and one of the best laptops out there.
The M1 Air I use (16gb/1tb) never has even gotten remotely warm to the touch, puts out no fan noise (no fan), has a great keyboard, great screen, best trackpad in the industry, and hibernates better than any other laptop I've used (I close the lid for days and come back with the same battery life).
The M1 is surprisingly powerful for how much power it draws and I can do a lot of dev work on device. If I need more power (tensorflow work for example), I just ssh into my home server and use it. VS code and the latest Jetbrains IDEs help a lot with this remote work because I can start remote sessions and debug software like it was on my laptop. Honestly, it's really made it hard to get any other laptop because of how good the M1 has been since I got it early last year.
This laptop reminds me a little of the Dell XPS Developer Edition that ships with the latest Ubuntu LTS out of the box. It is cool that they offer it, and it is a decent offering, but there is little to no real integration done.
Lenovo has one too with Linux Mint but basically the same, no effort in any real integration.
I was about to get XPS developer edition a few months ago. What did you dislike about it?
@@ericjohnson5990 I don't dislike it. I am happy Dell worked with Canonical to release it and that they have done so for so long. That being said, I just wish a little more was done to marry the hardware and software together.
@@ElevatedSystems I've done some brief redditing and it seems like even system 76 laptops have horrible battery life that is a far cry from their projected claims. But maybe that's the exception and not the rule.
I'll stick to my trustworthy Thinkpad, thank you very much
I think an ethernet port should be mandatory. Yes, most people use wifi but ethernet is more reliable, usually faster and you can troubleshoot your network with ease.
Thats true but theyre kind of big and ugly, i would honestly just prefer a usb dongle
I used to say this a lot. Then I found myself never using it and being too lazy to connect a cable when I can connect to wifi automatically. I don't even care anymore 😄
Eh, though I love using Ethernet on my laptop, owning a USB 3.0 to Ethernet adapter is affordable enough for anyone who wants one, if it's that big of an issue nowadays. Especially since modern laptops are trying their best to be slimmer.
Awesome review as always. How is it in comparison to Thinbook 13s AMD with POP OS? It has new processor and comparable pricing.
Not sure. I gave that laptop to a single Mom in my community to do some online college classes. Never got around to do any Linux testing on it.
I've been programming professionally for slightly more than a decade and I've very rarely, if ever, required an Ethernet port on my laptops. The only exception would be the times I've tried to install Linux on systems that have troublesome WiFi modules and I need an Ethernet cable to download the correct drivers. If someone really needs an Ethernet port, they can get it on a USB C hub. My hub has it though I don't use it.
I daily drive this laptop and the only complaint I have is the super glossy screen. I prefer the Framework laptop to this because of the better screen and the 3:2 aspect ratio, though when it comes to speed, the Dev One does significantly better than the 11th gen Intel processor that powers the Framework
Thanks for talking me out of dropping 1k for this thing; the rainbow-effect would drive me insane. You can put Linux on any modded laptop for half the price.
Thanks for the detailed review CJ. I (like many developers) am old-school when it comes to Ethernet: I always prefer it over WiFi. I admire the way you stopped short of saying ‘frankly, it’s for masochists’. It’s perfectly politically correct saying ‘maybe it’s perfect for someone’. No, I’m probably not that guy either. 😊
@7:55 => Upgrade the drive to a 4 GIG module.
I would prefer a 4TB drive.
Why would anyone upgrade to 4G.
Can you edit after posting this fantastic evaluation ?
Love the System 76
Thank you for a fab Colorado review.
thanks for the thorough review. wild result with the windows battery life
Stupid question from a new linux user, but how do you log off or restart the HP Dev One? I just got mine, and I can't find any sort of start menu or toolbar with those options. And nothing I find online seems to directly explain it. I saw I can type in "log out" after hitting the super key, but I was hoping for an actual button to click instead of needing to type it out every time.
[EDIT] - Just found the options are in the battery/volume button in the top toolbar. Not where I would have expected, but at least I found it.
I want a Framework board with Ryzen 7000.
But awesome review!
That's something I'd be really interested in as well.
But if I wanted a laptop to be perfect, I'd need a hotswap keyboard with CherryMX ULP switches, an OLED display with pen support, delidded and undervolted CPU in an actual socket so that it can be replaced on its own, I'd collab with AudioQuest to get a great built-in DAC and the list could go on and on.
If I had the money, I'd get the Framework laptop in a heartbeat (though I don't have the money so I don't even have to be sad that they don't ship to my country 😆)
You're in luck now--Framework just announced Ryzen 7040 boards and preorders are open.
literallly if they made the display matte from the factory id probably already own one.
A Windows machine rehashed as *developer* _centric_ laptop ! The lack of software integration, battery drain and missing ethernet port broke this camels back. I think M1 Macbook air will serve my purposes very well. btw the funny thing about the B-Roll (9:24), that showed a paid actor typing. Did you all notice she was using her index finger to press _space_ . I am sure this was her first time on a computer (9:24). _Very balanced review_ Thanks
Would installing windows 11 as my main and only OS on this machine(dev one) run smoothly? Im looking to take out Pop Os! And installing windows 11 instead, what are your thoughts on doing this.
Please Advice. Thank you.
Honestly I'm sold except for the glass screen.
Hey is there a chance that when you do performance comparison graphs you could do another graph where you show performance per dollar so its easier to compare laptops? i think that would be pretty interesting to see. good video
This may be a case where HP sees the writing on the wall for the Right to Repair and I'm slowly just accepting it.
I hate this type of arrow keys i prefer having the full arrow keys they can simply do that with just extending that button. Lenovo is doing that and i really like that aproch
HP has been doing this forever on anything below 15 inches (not included). My 2016 Envy has them and I kinda dislike them. That said, I use the left and right arrow way more (to switch virtual desktop for example) and since the volume controls are above the keyboard it’s **fine**. Acer laptop have those arrived and the volume and brightness contrôles are bound to them (with Fn pressed first). And on THOSE you can tell how annoying it is.
Great review
does it let you connect three monitors with no problem
"I believe is upgradable to a 4 gig drive" I've noticed that UA-camrs will say gig when it's obvious they mean terribyte sometimes lol.
Also a 4TB SSD must be pretty expensive.
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You said 4gig drive
It should be 4tb drive
Couldn't help noticing that in the benchmark you ran the framework with below-spec ram. Why not run it with the recommended 3200mhz like you did with the dev one?
The Framework is the DIY model and 32GB of 2666 cost the same as 16GB of 3200 SODIMM and the 534MHz makes no measurable performance diference on the Intel platform.
Main issue is it being limited to 16GB RAM.... Should have the option for 32GB or 64GB
sys 76 for me.
When I first heard about the Dev 1, I was excited. Then I found that HP EliteBook 845 and 865 G9 exist and I'm not really impressed anymore 😆
I don't have money for either, so it doesn't really matter 🤣
And I'm one of the guys who use Arch (btw) and tell everyone that using an OS you didn't install yourself and having preinstalled things you don't even know the purpose of is just a bad idea.
I actually like searching for laptops and coming up with PC specs more than actually playing games on them so I'd want a laptop that has two memory slots (no soldered memory), at least 400 nits and and backlit keyboard without the numpad. Good battery life is and a thunderbolt port are nice benefits; lack isn't a dealbreaker. If I had the money, I'd just buy something that meets these requirements and install Arch. It would be just perfect 🙂
I think I'm gonna go with a system 76 galago instead of this.
Hopefully it doesn't die prematurely
Yes, I think 14" developer laptops should have LAN. There's room, use it.
Nothing against HP, but this is just an Elitebook that comes with Ubuntu instead of Windows. Nothing really special here sadly.
"...at least four Chrome tabs..." LOL
Looks like its 1000 nits is just on paper.
"Super" key instead of Windows logo is all i need.
Hopefully the NVMe supports more than a four gig drive, lol
EVERY laptop should have an ethernet port. Period.
that screen is so trash for any type of work
Barrel connector in 2022 = half assed laptop
The screen is a major L. Should be matte.
I prefer matte screens too but glass can be done well. My Wife's MacBook Pro has an awsome glass screen with none of the problems this Dev One has.
@@ElevatedSystems right, but considering the target audience, it should be matte and it should have Ethernet.
this dudes hand motions are annoying
LOL, I advise you never visit New York.
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