Yes, but what about the well oiled political machine, that has almost 5 rallies per year even when it is not even election time, the EFF? These are the people who the EFF is prepared to loose votes from us South Africans for supporting illegal immigrants. Who are the funders of the EFF? Taxing members cannot be enough for the way the EFF spends it financies, buying expensive 4x4 for the Abathembu king, buying cows for kings and cheifs.
The biggest problem is we black South Africans who are fighting this invasion, we are not supported by white South Africans as if this problem affects only the black population. I am definately sure that if white South Africans joined us, the DA will change its tune because its support base is the white South Africa. However, even if it does not, why if we work together we will then make a better progress.
Gee isn't Cape Town's whites still calling for a peacefull solution to give Ngunis mining rights and jobs? It's seema it's the libtard faction accross the board isn't it
The ANC aren't idiots. The reason why they are turning a blind eye to this is probably because they are getting a cut from this. It was reported that zama zamas make about 20 million Rands every 2 weeks. So best believe the ANC are getting a slice
the zamz is in no way making that amount, impossible, the zamqa himself maybe gets 100 Rand for a plastic bag of concentrate . i worked for many years in the goLd plant, those workers who were taking out gold concentrate at the gate maybe got 50 rand for A PLASTIC BAG , the top of the chain yes are maybe getting that amount,but not the zama himself,
but even so this story was happening many years ago ,ok with diamonds , dont know about gold, in 1980 i was on a course in Johannesburg, and met a friend of my sister in Hillbrow, i went with him ,but unknowingly he had diamonds with him,we went to a building and up the lift, he knocked on a door, it had a very small sliding door so that the person inside could open it and see who it is, he handed this guy a small envelope, only later realised it was diamonds', few years later i heard he went to prison for dealing in illegal diamonds,
The zama zama said they are mining for the mining companies that used to own the land. ANC members are shareholders of those companies. The companies are benefitting because now they dont have to obide by Labour laws and legislation and still benefit. Its not just an illegal foreigner problem.
and most are getting a cut from this gold story, thy turn a blind eye, same as the scrap dealers, cops get bribed to not check the government ledgers, thy r supposed to visit every scrap dealer once a month to check the ledger, when they go the owner gives them a bribe, every sale of scrap metal must get logged in the ledger, its law, ID number of the person selling it, and we know those back street sellers dont own a ID book,
This has been going on for years now early 2000s, when I got callouts for electrical breakdowns they are all over the place at night underground. We just greeted one another and I went on and repair the breakdown. I left them alone and they left me alone. Later years in the Golfields Welkom and surrounding areas shafts were closed then the guys started shooting at each other or the mine security. I could hear the shooting from where I lived. Even when a Gold plant was being closed and all stuff reclaimed they did the same. Thank God I moved To western cape.
Who the "we"? I worked in townships most of my life (60), saw this happening in early 2000's and it was pushed by Mbeki and Cyril at the time, due to WEF and G.Soros "Open Foundation" NGO's.
we all know why they doing nothing about it,as thy are getting a cut, its same as the scrap metal industry,we all know the cops get a cut from the steel merchants,
its all over where gold mines once operated, unfortunately most of the mining houses caused these problems by closing down of the shafts, in WElkom area Harmony goldmines is guilty or more Bernard Swanepoel====when he still was CEO of the company, , thy bought over most old Anglo mines in WElkom area,and overnight closed most of the shafts allowing free access to these abandoned shafts,
They have been doing this since Ngunis arrived in Rhodesia. This is why the DA cannot garner white votes as they went against South Africans at every turn Pre 94 and to this day. All whites are paying a heavy price for the policies of the Democractic Alliance
@@richardwebb9532 No they have been here since the EFF started, most of them are Julius's sotho people. Julius doesnt care about this country or its people he cares only for lesotho and his ethnically sotho people. When they started up 10 years ago that was starting point of our borders opening up and illegals began to crawl in and start pillaging our resources. They they bought themselves military grade equipment and only recently we here of them because they began terrorising South African citizens around the mines on a big scale. They doing this to show that they are now untouchable. I wouldnt be surprised if Julius knows them personally and is funded by them.
Howzit Guys excellent video and reporting on an issue that the people of SA will eventually have to resolve by force. I would suggest strapping dinomite to COOKED chickens that way the chickens are guaranteed to reach their intended targets
There's more to zama zamas than meets the eye. Notice how silent the big three biggest political parties have been about this issue. You can't convince me that the ANC, DA and EFF aren't aware of it.
Who invited them here and told them to find creative ways to come here ????? MALEMA AND THE EFF The EFF has encouraged this for years Here's the solution round then up take them to WINNIE MANDELA HOUSE and let him take them to his mansion
Yeah but they are not that organized. They are all over the country. Some are in Diamond mines in the northern cape, some the free state, some are mining Chrome in Limpopo, some are in the North West mining Platinum and the one's mining gold are concentrated in Gauteng. They are easy to spot as well, just go to any informal settlement near abandoned or legal mines and u will find them. So they might be a lot, but it wouldn't be hard to deal with them. And if push comes to shove, just bury the ones that are hiding underground
@@cccmmm1234 but as i mentioned--if around 30 000 SAPs weapons either stolen,gone missing--if thats a true reflection of the amount,i think it's much higher, how do thy do their duties without a firearm,
I seem to recall reading years ago, when the zama zama thing first started, that they mostly went down disused mine shafts, extracting a bit of gold that the mining companies overlooked or couldn't extract profitably. I.e. they were actually doing no harm - they were taking what no one else really wanted. At the time it seemed to me it might be better to simply legalize and regulate them rather than trying to put a stop to it. Now of course it is too late: one should take that route before you have to deal with entire private armies shooting at one another. It seems their armies are indeed now more powerful than SA's own. In any event, as usual it is difficult to get any real facts out of the media. Do/did they in fact mostly dig up gold that no one else bothered with anymore? Which mines are we talking about here? Disused ones? Ones actually still in production? How do they get into them then? Well, perhaps those are relevant questions. I cannot propose solutions; I simply do not know enough about the problem itself.
many years ago it was so, like in Welkom,when Harmony gold mine closed so many mine shafts, these zama zamas were going down underground, to mine the areas not being mined anymore by the company, things have changed, of the shafts were still being mined by the companies, just outside Randfontein on the way to Soweto there's a mine called Cooke Shaft, there the zama zamas go underground in shafts still being mined by mining houses,,the workers there assist the zama zamas by giving them food, batteries, i worked on one of the mining houses until few years ago that's why i now about it, that is why Sibanye gold stopped workers from taking any food underground, of these zamaz would go underground hidden in the explosive cars . or even going underground at night with legal miners, using clock cards of the day shift workers, there's so many stories i can tell here ,
@@stblad3 And I assume the artisanal companies are legal? Years ago, when car guards became a thing at supermarkets, it didn't take long before would-be guards were stabbing one another. Malls solved this by licensing a number of guards, and no more. Same with taxis: in the 1990s there were hectic taxi wars, as rival taxi operators and associations took pot shots at one another for prize routes. Much of this sort of thing can be solved by legalizing and then regulating the industry, but of course, that does presuppose authorities which are in the first place capable of enforcing rules. Alas, here in SA the government seems not to have any such capacity left anymore. Time to call in Afriforum again... :-)
hehehe, what do u define as a troll,the ANC or EFF, or these rouge cops who have according to statements put out have lost over 30 000 weapons or been stolen from them, so that means they are working without a weapon, or does another service pistol just get given/handed to them again, just a open question, tongue in the cheek question,
For crying in a bucket! Where is NUM?! Where is the D of Labour?! Cancel their mining licenses! Fine them! Lock up the CEO! But first find out if Cecil can be implicated. Or some wit ou.....
I have a solution for this problem,Cyril is said to be on good terms with President Putin why not ask him to send a contingent of Wagner to SA to take these Zama's out problem solved in more ways than one, if you get where i'm going with this.
If Cyril is on “good terms” with Russia, then it is because Russia is benefitting from SA and Cyril is under Putin’s control. Cyril knows he is Russia and Chynah’s bitch. Putin wont send any help because he is part of what is causing poverty in SA. Ppl just do not know it. Their plan has always been to keep the SA taxpayers down and make sure crime is out of control so that normal folks would feel forced to leave SA. Putin even opened his arms for the farmers and ppl think that was to offer help. Our resources are being stolen and this country is forcefully being torn apart by all the powers that be worldwide. Citizens will have to take control back otherwise it will just get worse.
Stuart is that not the same wagner group who got their arses kicked in Mozambique by a bunch of ragtag rebels. They had to be rescued by a South African Anti Poaching Unit.
@@mazambane286 I believe so,but in truth there wasn't any real info on what really transpired or how prepared they were for that kind of engagement and we've all seen how they performed in Ukraine when dislodging enemies from well prepared fortified positions to be honest though it was meant to be a lighthearted comment not to be taken seriously.
Its funny how you guys act so clever, like you have all the answers, but the truth is, you're like everyone else... just complaining about the problems and doing nothing at end of the day. I'ts easy to talk about things into a microphone or to a friend, knowing you're not making a real difference. How about trying to start a party or revolution for real change? Now that would actually be constructive, instead of jokes and snipes.
@@HansCoche hehehehehehe ,, cant but laugh at these comments,yes ,,all living in SA are guilty of only complaining but do nothing, and the ANC know this,this is why they allow it as they are getting a cut out of it,
@@HansCoche Not Soldiers, state the obvious lol. Did i say they must be soldiers? I didn't think so, get your facts right before getting emotional. Everyone in this country is responsible for where we are today, its everyone's fault for allowing everything to happen. The people have the power to change things for the better as its shown time after time in history. The people always prevail as there are way more of us then the corrupt people in power.
I am convinced that the ANC are benefitting one way or the other by the illegal miners / Zama Zamas
of course they r
It will be covered by their BEE system.
For sure. Time to get all borders closed v tightly
Yes, but what about the well oiled political machine, that has almost 5 rallies per year even when it is not even election time, the EFF? These are the people who the EFF is prepared to loose votes from us South Africans for supporting illegal immigrants.
Who are the funders of the EFF? Taxing members cannot be enough for the way the EFF spends it financies, buying expensive 4x4 for the Abathembu king, buying cows for kings and cheifs.
The biggest problem is we black South Africans who are fighting this invasion, we are not supported by white South Africans as if this problem affects only the black population.
I am definately sure that if white South Africans joined us, the DA will change its tune because its support base is the white South Africa. However, even if it does not, why if we work together we will then make a better progress.
So ActionSA and the PA have been right after all. Meanwhile the three major parties, the DA, ANC and the EFF have been ignoring this
Gee isn't Cape Town's whites still calling for a peacefull solution to give Ngunis mining rights and jobs? It's seema it's the libtard faction accross the board isn't it
That's why I only voted Action SA.
They ignore this cause they don't have any solution.
@@JH-kh4bo Or they benefit from it
Operation Dudula was also right
This is a huge concern! Besides the safety and financial aspects, they're also destroying our infrastructure 🙄
The ANC aren't idiots. The reason why they are turning a blind eye to this is probably because they are getting a cut from this. It was reported that zama zamas make about 20 million Rands every 2 weeks. So best believe the ANC are getting a slice
the zamz is in no way making that amount, impossible, the zamqa himself maybe gets 100 Rand for a plastic bag of concentrate . i worked for many years in the goLd plant, those workers who were taking out gold concentrate at the gate maybe got 50 rand for A PLASTIC BAG , the top of the chain yes are maybe getting that amount,but not the zama himself,
@@eisbeinGermany yes the zama zamas themselves don't make that money, the people at the top definitely do
@@vik4741 and of the cops and ANC cadres
but even so this story was happening many years ago ,ok with diamonds , dont know about gold, in 1980 i was on a course in Johannesburg, and met a friend of my sister in Hillbrow, i went with him ,but unknowingly he had diamonds with him,we went to a building and up the lift, he knocked on a door, it had a very small sliding door so that the person inside could open it and see who it is, he handed this guy a small envelope, only later realised it was diamonds', few years later i heard he went to prison for dealing in illegal diamonds,
cANCer
The zama zama said they are mining for the mining companies that used to own the land. ANC members are shareholders of those companies. The companies are benefitting because now they dont have to obide by Labour laws and legislation and still benefit. Its not just an illegal foreigner problem.
👍🍻...follow the money.
so well said,
The question is where are the police, oh I forgot they are protecting VIPs
and most are getting a cut from this gold story, thy turn a blind eye, same as the scrap dealers, cops get bribed to not check the government ledgers, thy r supposed to visit every scrap dealer once a month to check the ledger, when they go the owner gives them a bribe, every sale of scrap metal must get logged in the ledger, its law, ID number of the person selling it, and we know those back street sellers dont own a ID book,
This has been going on for years now early 2000s, when I got callouts for electrical breakdowns they are all over the place at night underground. We just greeted one another and I went on and repair the breakdown. I left them alone and they left me alone. Later years in the Golfields Welkom and surrounding areas shafts were closed then the guys started shooting at each other or the mine security. I could hear the shooting from where I lived. Even when a Gold plant was being closed and all stuff reclaimed they did the same. Thank God I moved To western cape.
Oh 😮... So operation Dudula was right after all.😢
And yet we South Africans painted them as villains.
Who the "we"?
I worked in townships most of my life (60), saw this happening in early 2000's and it was pushed by Mbeki and Cyril at the time, due to WEF and G.Soros "Open Foundation" NGO's.
We didn't. We support dudula.
Exactly.
Malema is a usefull tool for the enemies of SA😢
Malemoney
Nothing surprises me anymore. Did you really think the ANC and SAPS would do anything about .... that's too forward thinking
we all know why they doing nothing about it,as thy are getting a cut, its same as the scrap metal industry,we all know the cops get a cut from the steel merchants,
You should see how zama zamas are ruling Klerksdorp and Caltonvillle, it is scary. And Zama zamas are advocated by these law NGOs.
its all over where gold mines once operated, unfortunately most of the mining houses caused these problems by closing down of the shafts, in WElkom area Harmony goldmines is guilty or more Bernard Swanepoel====when he still was CEO of the company, , thy bought over most old Anglo mines in WElkom area,and overnight closed most of the shafts allowing free access to these abandoned shafts,
@@eisbeinGermany Oh wow. This government is useless. They should have taken over so they can emply its citizens. Our unemployment rate is by design
The zamas have been doing this for 10 plus years wake up
They have been doing this since Ngunis arrived in Rhodesia. This is why the DA cannot garner white votes as they went against South Africans at every turn Pre 94 and to this day. All whites are paying a heavy price for the policies of the Democractic Alliance
Try 25 years.
@@richardwebb9532 No they have been here since the EFF started, most of them are Julius's sotho people. Julius doesnt care about this country or its people he cares only for lesotho and his ethnically sotho people. When they started up 10 years ago that was starting point of our borders opening up and illegals began to crawl in and start pillaging our resources. They they bought themselves military grade equipment and only recently we here of them because they began terrorising South African citizens around the mines on a big scale. They doing this to show that they are now untouchable. I wouldnt be surprised if Julius knows them personally and is funded by them.
Please return them to sender
Robbed by Tsotsis ....Do we we even have an @#_& army?
The powers that be have ignored the problem of Zama Zama's and NGO's for far to long. safe to say the cancer is at Stage 4 and pretty much game over.
Howzit Guys excellent video and reporting on an issue that the people of SA will eventually have to resolve by force. I would suggest strapping dinomite to COOKED chickens that way the chickens are guaranteed to reach their intended targets
😳😂😂
There's more to zama zamas than meets the eye. Notice how silent the big three biggest political parties have been about this issue. You can't convince me that the ANC, DA and EFF aren't aware of it.
Who invited them here and told them to find creative ways to come here ????? MALEMA AND THE EFF The EFF has encouraged this for years Here's the solution round then up take them to WINNIE MANDELA HOUSE and let him take them to his mansion
Thank you, Roman and Byron.
What happened to our national Taskforse and spes opps on the SANDF side , surly the could handle it with ease 🤔.
Bring the Wagner Group in to protect our borders. 😂
dinamyte the shafts
Real talk
what is our ridiculous mercenary army doing anyway.
assisting the crooks to steal weapons right under their noses at Waterkloof base,
RECCES
Would like to know who is actually driving this?
This would not surprise me at all with the state our government is in ..............
Got a money counter in the back and a gangster jacket there exe
If there is still gold means there can be jobs for South Africans
Anc allowing open borders so we can expect anything
Hire some pmc’s to do the job.
Give ne unlimited mortars, handgranades and 10 snipers..... problem solved.
50,000 of them? Is it really that high? 50,000 of those Mofos could easily take on the SANDF.
or the cops,its being said 30 000 weapons of the SAPs have been lost and stolen, 30 000 ????????? just think in whose hands are these weapons,
@@eisbeinGermany SA cops are screwed. Without the SA private security industry back8ng them up they would be completely overwhelmed.
Yeah but they are not that organized. They are all over the country. Some are in Diamond mines in the northern cape, some the free state, some are mining Chrome in Limpopo, some are in the North West mining Platinum and the one's mining gold are concentrated in Gauteng. They are easy to spot as well, just go to any informal settlement near abandoned or legal mines and u will find them. So they might be a lot, but it wouldn't be hard to deal with them. And if push comes to shove, just bury the ones that are hiding underground
@@vik4741 thats what i say, pump as much gas into these open shafts,seal off most of them and pump as much gas into them,
@@cccmmm1234 but as i mentioned--if around 30 000 SAPs weapons either stolen,gone missing--if thats a true reflection of the amount,i think it's much higher, how do thy do their duties without a firearm,
I seem to recall reading years ago, when the zama zama thing first started, that they mostly went down disused mine shafts, extracting a bit of gold that the mining companies overlooked or couldn't extract profitably. I.e. they were actually doing no harm - they were taking what no one else really wanted.
At the time it seemed to me it might be better to simply legalize and regulate them rather than trying to put a stop to it. Now of course it is too late: one should take that route before you have to deal with entire private armies shooting at one another. It seems their armies are indeed now more powerful than SA's own.
In any event, as usual it is difficult to get any real facts out of the media. Do/did they in fact mostly dig up gold that no one else bothered with anymore? Which mines are we talking about here? Disused ones? Ones actually still in production? How do they get into them then?
Well, perhaps those are relevant questions. I cannot propose solutions; I simply do not know enough about the problem itself.
There was a Carte Blanche episode on this, they also attack small artisanal mining companies. Robbing and killing the miners for access to their mine.
many years ago it was so, like in Welkom,when Harmony gold mine closed so many mine shafts, these zama zamas were going down underground, to mine the areas not being mined anymore by the company, things have changed, of the shafts were still being mined by the companies, just outside Randfontein on the way to Soweto there's a mine called Cooke Shaft, there the zama zamas go underground in shafts still being mined by mining houses,,the workers there assist the zama zamas by giving them food, batteries, i worked on one of the mining houses until few years ago that's why i now about it, that is why Sibanye gold stopped workers from taking any food underground, of these zamaz would go underground hidden in the explosive cars . or even going underground at night with legal miners, using clock cards of the day shift workers, there's so many stories i can tell here ,
@@stblad3 And I assume the artisanal companies are legal?
Years ago, when car guards became a thing at supermarkets, it didn't take long before would-be guards were stabbing one another. Malls solved this by licensing a number of guards, and no more. Same with taxis: in the 1990s there were hectic taxi wars, as rival taxi operators and associations took pot shots at one another for prize routes.
Much of this sort of thing can be solved by legalizing and then regulating the industry, but of course, that does presuppose authorities which are in the first place capable of enforcing rules. Alas, here in SA the government seems not to have any such capacity left anymore.
Time to call in Afriforum again... :-)
@@brianvanderspuy4514 yes the artisanal miners are legit licensed companies.
Maybe Afriforum should start a PMC like Wagner.
No trolls here(yet) this morning?
hehehe, what do u define as a troll,the ANC or EFF, or these rouge cops who have according to statements put out have lost over 30 000 weapons or been stolen from them, so that means they are working without a weapon, or does another service pistol just get given/handed to them again, just a open question, tongue in the cheek question,
Still early lol, the incompetant needs to wake up midday since they unproductive
@@chronosmagasaurus2813😂
LMFAO... I cannot wait to see how S.A Deals with this :P
Operation Dudula was right
40 Battalions
YOU voted for this
0:42 kkkkk 0:54 lol. 2:04 . Ian Smith was right #Rhodesia...
For crying in a bucket! Where is NUM?! Where is the D of Labour?! Cancel their mining licenses! Fine them! Lock up the CEO! But first find out if Cecil can be implicated. Or some wit ou.....
5:14 kkkk
I have a solution for this problem,Cyril is said to be on good terms with President Putin why not ask him to send a contingent of Wagner to SA to take these Zama's out problem solved in more ways than one, if you get where i'm going with this.
Cuz maybe .. the west wont like that .. onve again we are TRULY in a catch-22 situation!! We used to hav 'men' .. where are they.
We just need to start our own PMC. All the equipment of the SANDF is just standing around. The PMC could use them.
If Cyril is on “good terms” with Russia, then it is because Russia is benefitting from SA and Cyril is under Putin’s control. Cyril knows he is Russia and Chynah’s bitch.
Putin wont send any help because he is part of what is causing poverty in SA. Ppl just do not know it. Their plan has always been to keep the SA taxpayers down and make sure crime is out of control so that normal folks would feel forced to leave SA. Putin even opened his arms for the farmers and ppl think that was to offer help. Our resources are being stolen and this country is forcefully being torn apart by all the powers that be worldwide. Citizens will have to take control back otherwise it will just get worse.
Stuart is that not the same wagner group who got their arses kicked in Mozambique by a bunch of ragtag rebels. They had to be rescued by a South African Anti Poaching Unit.
@@mazambane286 I believe so,but in truth there wasn't any real info on what really transpired or how prepared they were for that kind of engagement and we've all seen how they performed in Ukraine when dislodging enemies from well prepared fortified positions to be honest though it was meant to be a lighthearted comment not to be taken seriously.
👍🏻
Sadly we've become a banana Republic....I wonder if this was what Nelson had in mind 🤔...very much doubt it !😢
WAGNER PMC CAN STOP THEM SUGGEST IT TO RUSSIAN EMBASSY
Maybe the Wagner group could come and sort them out?
Bring in Wagner to deal with Zama Zama
Its funny how you guys act so clever, like you have all the answers, but the truth is, you're like everyone else... just complaining about the problems and doing nothing at end of the day. I'ts easy to talk about things into a microphone or to a friend, knowing you're not making a real difference. How about trying to start a party or revolution for real change? Now that would actually be constructive, instead of jokes and snipes.
Theyre not soldiers, they discuss problems and make people aware. What have you done?
@@HansCoche hehehehehehe ,, cant but laugh at these comments,yes ,,all living in SA are guilty of only complaining but do nothing, and the ANC know this,this is why they allow it as they are getting a cut out of it,
@@HansCoche Not Soldiers, state the obvious lol. Did i say they must be soldiers? I didn't think so, get your facts right before getting emotional. Everyone in this country is responsible for where we are today, its everyone's fault for allowing everything to happen. The people have the power to change things for the better as its shown time after time in history. The people always prevail as there are way more of us then the corrupt people in power.
What a load of crap,
I agree. All they do is WHINE...and in doing so , satisfy their viewers with a daily dose of victim abuse therapy...😂😂😂
Press the BUTTON MAN. Don't he chicken.
The government should hire some mercenaries .....