If I may say, I also have the bz10 (2021 production.) I use it in my small coffee shop for almost 2 years (pulling about 3000 double shot more or less), and the only thing that I need to replace was the portafilter gasket. Everything else still running perfectly fine, and adjusting the OPV is easy enough. This machine is robust. 👍
thanks so much for the info! I'll usually avoid suggesting they're right for commercial use - as warranty could be void if over-use is a factor of breakdown. However, I'm very pleased to hear your experience has proven how tough these machine are made 👍
My BZ-10 has been my hero of the quarantine! What a reliable, fast, great coffee-making machine. I think it is the best value for money out there at the moment HX machine. In European version there is only one portafilter and the basket is on the bigger side and can very easily accommodate 22-25 grams which is too much. Since then of course I have realized that there exists a new trend of underfilling (18g) larger baskets. of course, I have a series of baskets that are interchangeable. Every morning after 10 minutes of heating time I can make two cappuccinos and two warm chocolates for my boys. All-inclusive it is the best purchase since heating times are Ferrari style! The all-round settings in terms of temperature settings means that I can easily use any coffee although I usually flush the machine if I have a lightly roasted specialty coffee for 5 or 6 seconds to drop the temperature from 93 degrees to 89-90. This is my inherent PID!
I will use this for my home and only for one long black in the morning. Will this produce cafe-grade long blacks? I will pair it with an EK43s grinder.
Hello, your video is very good, thank you. I have a question please, the extraction of this machine is at 12 bar, is this normal? in general for a perfect extraction we speak of 9 bars. Thank you in advance for your help. Cordially,
THe BZ10's OPV, over-pressure valve can be adjusted. Best to search the best way to do this. The OPV will control the maximum pressure of the machine. Lower it, and you can lower the pressure whilst brewing
Excellent video again I like bezzera cause they have their own mechanical design for their machines(plus they have strega, my favorite lever machine) I can write many thing why I like bezzera, but I will say only for their own design for the grouphead, that creates its own temperature with the second element E61 in the past designed, by faema, to radiate heat from the large HX boilers of 11Liter+, and not to maintain it E61 are beautiful to watch, but apart from the long time they needs to preheat, I think that are totally unnecessary for single boiler and double boiler pid machines My 2 cents
Im a bit confused I like the BZ 10 but as well the Lelit V2 Maria X .It seems the heat up time is faster with the BZ 10 but the water pomp in the Lelit is less noisy and a rotary pomp. Im sure both make a decent Espresso.
Thanks for the video, great insight. I recently got this and I'm struggling to get the pressure right with my coffee extraction. Did you have any issues with coffee grind size? I don't have a grinder but get to ground at a coffee warehouse. I'm wondering how fine it should be? I don't get the pressure any higher than 5. With the closed basket, the pressure flies up to 13 so I don't think it's an issue with the machine.
Yes, this is an issue having someone grind your coffee. You're now having to rely on the amount of coffee you use and the tamp pressure to create the pressure in the machine. Being able to adjust the grind size as you see fit is a critical step for getting a good shot. I'd suggest adding more than the normal amount of coffee in the basket and see if that helps - until you can get yourself a grinder at home - or ask the shop to grind it finer 👌
Anything of a 58.3mm tamps will be great! Go with something that'll suit you setup look. Pullman have a great range, but equally a Ten Mile Tamp has what you need 👍
The benefit of a Double portafilter - is to brew a double espresso. This is the standard measure of coffee for almost all cafe standard drinks nowadays. The single basket in most cases - is redundant.
Great to hear Wendy! In using the blind basket, remove a coffee basket fromt he portafilter first .. than add the blind basket. Add a small amount of Cafetto Evo Machine Cleaner ( or similar) and lock in to the group head ... turn the brew switch on and allow to reach full brew pressure and maintain it for 4 seconds .. than switch the brew switch off and wait 10 seconds ... repeat this cycles 5 or 6 times until all the chemical has passed from the grouphead back through the 3-way solenoid valve and in tot he drip tray - and this will ensure you get a thorough clean of your machine 👍
@@AlternativeBrewing Thank you so much Josh. I will have a go. Would you able to do a video on maintenance for the machine? I have done my home work on BZ 10 manual. I must have the simple version and exactly like the one on this link. www.manualslib.com/manual/1181782/Bezzera-Bz10.html#manual on page 25, it has general cleaning only . Is there a different manual around? The machine came with a plastic tamper, which size tamper is the best for it? I have 58 cm tamper. It seems slightly small for the job. It leaves a ring unpressed around edges of the basket. Would like to hear your advice. Kind Regards Wendy
No, being a heat exchanging machine - you'll notice significant delays in it heating up if you have continuous back to back brewing - as well as the whole machine has not been made to withstand that sort of constant use - so everything from seals to washers etc , will wear much longer.
Hey thanks for the video! I got a offer for a used BZ10 in good conditions. It’s build in 2019 and has make approximately 3000 espresso. Counting from the seller. It looks pretty good and had wooden Handels extra. The BZ10 was two times in professional service. It will costs 725€. The price of a new BZ10 ist actually 999€ on the Internet. What’s your opinion? Thank you!
Thanks for sharing! Unless you're a technician with time to go through the machine, and able to fix/replace parts as needed - there's no way of knowing the health of it. The Boiler could have extensive scale or pitting, depending on whether quality water has been used throughout its lifetime. Considering it has been used Commercially - I'd be scrutinising of the volume estimates. These machine technically are not built for commercial settings. For an extra 150€, you get brand new - with some sort of warranty I'd presume.
yes 🙌 Extremely important - Do only a very small amount of adjustment, then turn the machine on, heat it up and brew a shot to check - this may take an hour or so , or can do it over several morning till you get it where you want it - unless you have a portafilter with in-built pressure gauge like this: alternativebrewing.com.au/products/pesado-t-p-d-temperature-and-pressure-device Remove the panels. Locate the Expansion Valve on the right side of the machine. Use an adjustable wrench to adjust the amount of pressure being cut down from the vibratory pump - counterclockwise will increase pressure at the brew group, while clockwise will decrease pressure.
Hi, I have to put 10gr for one coffe and 20gr for two coffes? I remember that in Italy the perfect coffe is 7,5gr , I tried and is like a water with this machine...Can you help me?
Yes, correct I would stick to 20g for espresso -"if" you're comparing it to Cafe's other than Italy. A majority of cafes around the world will be brewing with 15 - 20g of coffee. 7.5g for a single Espresso - means you should only be brewing around 20-25g out. Which is not alot of liquid - so with 20g of coffee - you can be brewing upto 40-50g and share this between two people No worries
Hi Josh! Thanks for the review. You mention at 5:11 that there's an adjustable OPV, but I think I'd have to open the machine which would void the warranty. Or is there another way to adjust the brew pressure? Thank you!
Yes, you are correct, Apologies - if you remove the side panels thant eh sticker will break voiding your warranty. There is no other way to avoid adjusting the pressure from the pump - other than by getting an approved service technician to take care of it.
what is an anti vacuum valve? I run my bz 07 on smart plug to turn on each morning for me. not sure if the bz 07 has this vacuum valve am i damaging my machine?
It can yes. However there is still a thermostat that keeps it within a range - albeit a larger range than with PID. You may need to temp-surf - as in purge some hot water prior to brewing 👌
Far superior build quality, a lot faster to warm up and for my personal taste it is a lot better looking. The Mara X does have better temperature control but I'd still take the Bezzera personally.
If I were looking at ta commercial settings - Id at least want a Dual Boiler - otherwise the one boiler trying to keep up with brew and steaming is too much and eventually you'll have no steam and the water for espresso will be cold
Hi there, sorry for that - will have to work on getting this video up - for now here's a good guide that can help you: support.clivecoffee.com/en/bezzera-bz10-expansion-valve-adjustment
One thing I learned from owning many different machines the last 25 years, from Faema to Profitec and La Marzocco, is that the machine has little to do with the quality of your cup of coffee. Most quality machines will produce very good coffee. The grinder is WAY more important. The biggest difference between machines for me was ease of use and workflow. La Marzocco Linea is my favorite for this, and any E61 machine my least favorite. But that is very personal. Also, it's interesting to see that pretty much all parts inside the machines are identical. Controller boards, pumps, vacuum breakers, solenoids etc are all by the same manufacturers.
Hi Josh. The dial of the pump pressure on my Bz 10 which i had for near 7 years, fliickr when i start the extraction. Does this mean the pump is not functioning properly ? Regards Antoine
Hi Antoine, Thanks for your question. Importantly, I'm not a machine technician by trade. But experience tells me, that if you're not seeing or tasting any issues - only noticing the Gauge is acting funny, then it is most likely the gauge that is faulty - and nothing more. You can fix this by replacing the gauge - best done by a qualified technician - or it can be left with no major repercussions to the rest of the machine.
If I may say, I also have the bz10 (2021 production.) I use it in my small coffee shop for almost 2 years (pulling about 3000 double shot more or less), and the only thing that I need to replace was the portafilter gasket. Everything else still running perfectly fine, and adjusting the OPV is easy enough. This machine is robust. 👍
thanks so much for the info! I'll usually avoid suggesting they're right for commercial use - as warranty could be void if over-use is a factor of breakdown. However, I'm very pleased to hear your experience has proven how tough these machine are made 👍
he said something about adjusting brew pressure for temp. how does that work. what is the standard remp. cane you use different coffees
My BZ-10 has been my hero of the quarantine! What a reliable, fast, great coffee-making machine. I think it is the best value for money out there at the moment HX machine. In European version there is only one portafilter and the basket is on the bigger side and can very easily accommodate 22-25 grams which is too much. Since then of course I have realized that there exists a new trend of underfilling (18g) larger baskets. of course, I have a series of baskets that are interchangeable. Every morning after 10 minutes of heating time I can make two cappuccinos and two warm chocolates for my boys. All-inclusive it is the best purchase since heating times are Ferrari style! The all-round settings in terms of temperature settings means that I can easily use any coffee although I usually flush the machine if I have a lightly roasted specialty coffee for 5 or 6 seconds to drop the temperature from 93 degrees to 89-90. This is my inherent PID!
From the technical pov....its a really well made machine.
I have one and it’s a great machine
I will use this for my home and only for one long black in the morning. Will this produce cafe-grade long blacks? I will pair it with an EK43s grinder.
yes, it would easily make very very good Long blacks paired with a great grinder 🔥
Too big for my bench, so I got a La Pavoni Europiccola, and then another and then a Ponte Vecchio Lusso.
can you adjust temp for different coffees and how
i own the bz07 absolutely love this little power house. why did they get rid of the digital screen for the pid?
Fantastic vid, thank you!
Hello, your video is very good, thank you. I have a question please, the extraction of this machine is at 12 bar, is this normal? in general for a perfect extraction we speak of 9 bars. Thank you in advance for your help. Cordially,
THe BZ10's OPV, over-pressure valve can be adjusted. Best to search the best way to do this. The OPV will control the maximum pressure of the machine. Lower it, and you can lower the pressure whilst brewing
Excellent video again
I like bezzera cause they have their own mechanical design for their machines(plus they have strega, my favorite lever machine)
I can write many thing why I like bezzera, but I will say only for their own design for the grouphead, that creates its own temperature with the second element
E61 in the past designed, by faema, to radiate heat from the large HX boilers of 11Liter+, and not to maintain it
E61 are beautiful to watch, but apart from the long time they needs to preheat, I think that are totally unnecessary for single boiler and double boiler pid machines
My 2 cents
thanks for sharing 😀
Im a bit confused I like the BZ 10 but as well the Lelit V2 Maria X .It seems the heat up time is faster with the BZ 10 but the water pomp in the Lelit is less noisy and a rotary pomp. Im sure both make a decent Espresso.
Legit comes with a vibration pump. Not a rotary. ua-cam.com/video/qbd86WotBA0/v-deo.htmlsi=td59_5PeIdPLMu17
This machine has been on my radar for some time, but I want to know what I should expect con wise so I know for sure that it's the one?
small but mighty, nice
Thanks for the video, great insight. I recently got this and I'm struggling to get the pressure right with my coffee extraction. Did you have any issues with coffee grind size? I don't have a grinder but get to ground at a coffee warehouse. I'm wondering how fine it should be? I don't get the pressure any higher than 5. With the closed basket, the pressure flies up to 13 so I don't think it's an issue with the machine.
Yes, this is an issue having someone grind your coffee. You're now having to rely on the amount of coffee you use and the tamp pressure to create the pressure in the machine. Being able to adjust the grind size as you see fit is a critical step for getting a good shot. I'd suggest adding more than the normal amount of coffee in the basket and see if that helps - until you can get yourself a grinder at home - or ask the shop to grind it finer 👌
Thanks for the great videos. What tamper do you recommend for the Bezzera BZ10?
Anything of a 58.3mm tamps will be great! Go with something that'll suit you setup look. Pullman have a great range, but equally a Ten Mile Tamp has what you need 👍
Is there a benefit to using the single spout vs the double spout or vise versa?
The benefit of a Double portafilter - is to brew a double espresso. This is the standard measure of coffee for almost all cafe standard drinks nowadays. The single basket in most cases - is redundant.
Thinking of buying this machine! Your video did that last push to convince me
Yes we do 😀 ... from here: ua-cam.com/video/KxL6hunmBt8/v-deo.html ... btw the Niche would be perfet to pair with this machine!
Great machine at a good price. Would recommend it.
It really is!
Still today?
Loving this machine. Not sure how to clean it with the blind basket. There is no instructions on the manual for it.
Great to hear Wendy! In using the blind basket, remove a coffee basket fromt he portafilter first .. than add the blind basket. Add a small amount of Cafetto Evo Machine Cleaner ( or similar) and lock in to the group head ... turn the brew switch on and allow to reach full brew pressure and maintain it for 4 seconds .. than switch the brew switch off and wait 10 seconds ... repeat this cycles 5 or 6 times until all the chemical has passed from the grouphead back through the 3-way solenoid valve and in tot he drip tray - and this will ensure you get a thorough clean of your machine 👍
@@AlternativeBrewing Thank you so much Josh. I will have a go. Would you able to do a video on maintenance for the machine? I have done my home work on BZ 10 manual. I must have the simple version and exactly like the one on this link. www.manualslib.com/manual/1181782/Bezzera-Bz10.html#manual on page 25, it has general cleaning only . Is there a different manual around?
The machine came with a plastic tamper, which size tamper is the best for it? I have 58 cm tamper. It seems slightly small for the job. It leaves a ring unpressed around edges of the basket. Would like to hear your advice. Kind Regards Wendy
Thanks for your amazing video! Is it powerful enough to be a commercial coffee machine for a small food stall?
No, being a heat exchanging machine - you'll notice significant delays in it heating up if you have continuous back to back brewing - as well as the whole machine has not been made to withstand that sort of constant use - so everything from seals to washers etc , will wear much longer.
Hey thanks for the video!
I got a offer for a used BZ10 in good conditions. It’s build in 2019 and has make approximately 3000 espresso. Counting from the seller. It looks pretty good and had wooden Handels extra. The BZ10 was two times in professional service. It will costs 725€. The price of a new BZ10 ist actually 999€ on the Internet.
What’s your opinion?
Thank you!
Thanks for sharing! Unless you're a technician with time to go through the machine, and able to fix/replace parts as needed - there's no way of knowing the health of it. The Boiler could have extensive scale or pitting, depending on whether quality water has been used throughout its lifetime. Considering it has been used Commercially - I'd be scrutinising of the volume estimates. These machine technically are not built for commercial settings. For an extra 150€, you get brand new - with some sort of warranty I'd presume.
Hi josh great review on bz10. Does the bz10 come with a manual that explains descaling and back flush ? Regards Nat
Thanks. Yes it does 😀
My BZ10 boiler pressure has only 0.8 bar while it should read 1-1.2 bar. Is this adjustable?
yes 🙌 Extremely important - Do only a very small amount of adjustment, then turn the machine on, heat it up and brew a shot to check - this may take an hour or so , or can do it over several morning till you get it where you want it - unless you have a portafilter with in-built pressure gauge like this: alternativebrewing.com.au/products/pesado-t-p-d-temperature-and-pressure-device
Remove the panels.
Locate the Expansion Valve on the right side of the machine.
Use an adjustable wrench to adjust the amount of pressure being cut down from the vibratory pump - counterclockwise will increase pressure at the brew group, while clockwise will decrease pressure.
Very kind of you. Thanks for your reply. @@AlternativeBrewing
Great video!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it
Hi, I have to put 10gr for one coffe and 20gr for two coffes? I remember that in Italy the perfect coffe is 7,5gr , I tried and is like a water with this machine...Can you help me?
Yes, correct I would stick to 20g for espresso -"if" you're comparing it to Cafe's other than Italy. A majority of cafes around the world will be brewing with 15 - 20g of coffee. 7.5g for a single Espresso - means you should only be brewing around 20-25g out. Which is not alot of liquid - so with 20g of coffee - you can be brewing upto 40-50g and share this between two people No worries
Hi Josh! Thanks for the review. You mention at 5:11 that there's an adjustable OPV, but I think I'd have to open the machine which would void the warranty. Or is there another way to adjust the brew pressure? Thank you!
Yes, you are correct, Apologies - if you remove the side panels thant eh sticker will break voiding your warranty. There is no other way to avoid adjusting the pressure from the pump - other than by getting an approved service technician to take care of it.
@@AlternativeBrewing Thank you!
what is an anti vacuum valve? I run my bz 07 on smart plug to turn on each morning for me. not sure if the bz 07 has this vacuum valve am i damaging my machine?
can't wait your review about bezzera bz16 😂
You and me both!
Great machine.
Nice thumbnail BTW 👍😄
Thanks 😁
5:52 are ALL those items shown here included in the box?
Yes
But in the description showing that it comes with only one portafilter in the box and that's what i've seen so far. (from previous year boxes)
Hi, is this good for commercial? Durability good?
Being a Het Exchanging Machine - It might just slow down a bit if used constantly for too long. It is not a commercial machine.
No PID? Does this affect the quality of the espresso?
It can yes. However there is still a thermostat that keeps it within a range - albeit a larger range than with PID. You may need to temp-surf - as in purge some hot water prior to brewing 👌
I wonder how this machine compares to the Lelit MaraX. Mmm...
Far superior build quality, a lot faster to warm up and for my personal taste it is a lot better looking. The Mara X does have better temperature control but I'd still take the Bezzera personally.
What would you buy - the Bz10 or the Crema model? What's the difference?
BZ10. It's been time tested with many positive reviews and continues to be an outstanding machine for value.
@@AlternativeBrewing Cheers thanks for advice!
hi, how many shots can it pull for a back-to-back action? is it adequate for a pop up bar or an event?
If I were looking at ta commercial settings - Id at least want a Dual Boiler - otherwise the one boiler trying to keep up with brew and steaming is too much and eventually you'll have no steam and the water for espresso will be cold
@@AlternativeBrewing noted, thank you for the answer. 👍🏽👍🏽
Noice thumbnail 😂
😱
Hi Josh. Can you show how to change the opv on the BZ10?
Hi there, sorry for that - will have to work on getting this video up - for now here's a good guide that can help you: support.clivecoffee.com/en/bezzera-bz10-expansion-valve-adjustment
One thing I learned from owning many different machines the last 25 years, from Faema to Profitec and La Marzocco, is that the machine has little to do with the quality of your cup of coffee. Most quality machines will produce very good coffee. The grinder is WAY more important. The biggest difference between machines for me was ease of use and workflow. La Marzocco Linea is my favorite for this, and any E61 machine my least favorite. But that is very personal. Also, it's interesting to see that pretty much all parts inside the machines are identical. Controller boards, pumps, vacuum breakers, solenoids etc are all by the same manufacturers.
100% !
Hi Josh.
The dial of the pump pressure on my Bz 10 which i had for near 7 years, fliickr when i start the extraction.
Does this mean the pump is not functioning properly ?
Regards
Antoine
Hi Antoine, Thanks for your question. Importantly, I'm not a machine technician by trade. But experience tells me, that if you're not seeing or tasting any issues - only noticing the Gauge is acting funny, then it is most likely the gauge that is faulty - and nothing more. You can fix this by replacing the gauge - best done by a qualified technician - or it can be left with no major repercussions to the rest of the machine.
@@AlternativeBrewing
Hi again josh.
Thank you for taking the time to answer me .
Regards.
Antoine
If you have chanelling, you can see this. Try using a WDT and tamping harder.
Hello Josh- really enjoy your videos. Wondering if you could do a review/demo on the isomac- Zaffiro any time soon? cheers
Plus eureka mignon classico dialing/setting review:)
Eventually yes I can 😀
Hopefully.the next version has a pid installed.
Then I would buy this Bezzera espresso machine.
The compact dimensions are a pre.
Too much UA-cam and not enough knowledge. That’s why you need PID
👌👌
doesn't pre - infuse
no PID. no SALE.
I'm not doing to watch this video simply because of the clickbaity thumbnail picture.