Does Today's Music Suck? Has it gotten worse over the years?

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  • @DVSPress
    @DVSPress  7 років тому +34

    Please see the reflection on this video here - ua-cam.com/video/p0flDyhE3RE/v-deo.html
    Most people did not get that this video was about how various biases affect our perception of quality and indeed our own memories.

    • @louiethepitt
      @louiethepitt 6 років тому +1

      well you just don't like Pop or and dance music lol that is clear...like you said...its all about personal bias.

    • @Solinimo
      @Solinimo 6 років тому +3

      I know this video wasn't about this (I did get it), it's just occurred to me that the 2015 #1 was Uptown Funk, which is pop through and through, but I actually think is good music, I would have liked to hear the judgement on that.

    • @derwandschauer
      @derwandschauer 6 років тому +4

      Sorry, but 'I want to hold you're hand' is a masterpiece. One of the most clever written songs ever, with a unique chord progression, well pasted and a great emotional peak. An absolute classic. Beethoven wrote a lot, but what was his greatest invention? Dadada Dam, Dadada Dam. Simple is not bad. Or is Fried Chicken bad food, cause it's simple?

    • @STONEDECISION
      @STONEDECISION 6 років тому

      David Stewart maybe cause that’s not what the video is about.

    • @soppelpost1573
      @soppelpost1573 6 років тому +2

      I was a teen in the 2000's, and music started to suck in the 1990's, but it got really bad in the 2000's.

  • @matt1901
    @matt1901 8 років тому +191

    The difference really is that in the 70ties the good music was in the mainstream and heard by the masses (among some garbage, of course), whereas the mainstream music became entirely plastic pop-garbage these days, and one has to search hard for good music.

    • @evacody1249
      @evacody1249 8 років тому +22

      +Oliver Mattausch Here's the thing. Going from the let's say 50s and into the late 90s you had the many different radio stations and you had the lack of the internet. That meant that the stations wanted the best of the best it meant it was not just about sells about being really good. Enter the internet and well what you find on the radio these days is about does it SELL not is it GOOD. The internet was good and bad for music. It's good because we can get away from the crap and find what we like. Bad because the big labels don't want to take chances any more on new acts. Then again it may be way independent labels are growing more.

    • @xxxcoffin3262
      @xxxcoffin3262 7 років тому +1

      Oliver Mattausch if you have to search for it, then it ain't good

    • @clearlight808
      @clearlight808 7 років тому +4

      dumbest comment on here

    • @aridian7787
      @aridian7787 7 років тому +3

      Oliver Mattausch : Here's where the conversation steers itself into the ditch. The mainstream music that's on the TV, the radio and on the awards shows IS the music of the era. For people who dig out stuff you like on UA-cam: the fact that you have to dig for it proves our point. Mr Mattauch is absolutely correct! For a tiebreaker, it's millennials who discover 80's music on SUPERNATURAL, GTA, etc...who validate our assessment. Why do the 80's stand out? Because that was era where MUSIC VIDEOS came into being. Notice the uploaded here keeps referring to "albums"? In fact he's reaching back to the era of SINGLES, ala 45rpm vinyl discs. That's where the phrase "B-side" comes from. The people who fixated on albums back in the day were sort of an underground fan base, (think GRATEFUL DEAD, here). They imagined that Morrison, Garcia, Neil Young and whoever took the stage at WOODSTOCK were somehow plugged into the "great universal consciousness". They were/are the people who thought Jim Morrison was speaking with gods voice. In other words, the eccentric fringe audience.

    • @aridian7787
      @aridian7787 7 років тому

      J Culley I actually never saw that. I'll have to look it up.

  • @lorddarthstar
    @lorddarthstar 8 років тому +266

    I had kids say to me the wish they were born in the 70s🤔

    • @DVSPress
      @DVSPress  8 років тому +44

      So they could witness Flock of Seagulls and Cindy Lauper at their peak?

    • @RoseHowat
      @RoseHowat 8 років тому +25

      lorddarthstar I'm 13. I wish I was born in the 80's

    • @skatasterfi
      @skatasterfi 8 років тому +7

      lorddarthstar I wish I was born in like the mid forties

    • @solaris7555
      @solaris7555 8 років тому +12

      lorddarthstar I wish people at my school didnt act like wannabes

    • @vdsp011
      @vdsp011 8 років тому +16

      +David Stewart
      Or they could be old enough to experience the alternative rock explosion of the 90s first hand and actually see the bands live when they were in their prime.

  • @robertjermantowicz7487
    @robertjermantowicz7487 8 років тому +72

    "Ninety percent of everything is crap" - Theodore Sturgeon

  • @Sir.suspicious
    @Sir.suspicious Рік тому +3

    The same sequence also happens in architecture, and tbh, in many things in life.
    Architecture gets more and more complex then reverts to a very simple stage, that starts getting more elaborate again and the cycle keeps happening

    • @DVSPress
      @DVSPress  Рік тому +1

      I'm definitely become more aware of this in architecture recently.

  • @truthseek3017
    @truthseek3017 8 років тому +50

    Pink floyd, Led zeppelin, and Jimi Hendrix never get old..Fuck all the new sheep shit.

    • @solaris7555
      @solaris7555 8 років тому +4

      Logic Seeker we need the real music, Michael bible, Disney counts, Michael Jackson, 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's

    • @jonnyhundley
      @jonnyhundley 8 років тому +3

      Logic Seeker PREACH

    • @silentphantom7826
      @silentphantom7826 7 років тому +1

      Logic Seeker you forgot metallica

    • @thema1998
      @thema1998 7 років тому

      Logic Seeker "Fuck all the new sheep shit."
      That is a perfect way to describe 95% of mainstream music.

    • @F50909123
      @F50909123 7 років тому

      so true man and you've actually mentioned holy trinity of 20th century

  • @joshuagarden7304
    @joshuagarden7304 8 років тому +53

    I get your point, there was always junk on mainstream .But you are forgetting that the amount of junk has been growing exponentially since 2000. I personally don´t remember the last time I´ve heard a good mainstream song. And if you surf through the 70´s to the 90´s you will find a tonne of them

    • @DVSPress
      @DVSPress  8 років тому +15

      I go back and forth - I remember how horrible the 90s were, but then I hear some of the crap that goes mainstream now, which sounds like it was written by and for people with room temperature IQs, and I think things have gotten at least a bit worse. I also think the prime pop music market has shifted to younger audiences that have less capacity to understand complexity, since they are more willing to buy music and do the things that generate revenue for what is left of the music industry. I've seen some data that points that way.

    • @joshuagarden7304
      @joshuagarden7304 8 років тому +10

      I don´t think the 90´s were that horrible. The first half was dominated by the grunge scene which was a very creative and crazy period. Then through the whole decade you find some very solid bands making other genres. Off course there was a lot of garbage around like boys and girls band and shit like that but you would still find very good music playing daily on the radio. Stuff with creativity. Nowadays, it´s just sellout crap.

    • @shecklesmack9563
      @shecklesmack9563 7 років тому +8

      Even the bad music from the 90’s has artistic merit. It wasn’t necessarily aesthetically pleasing, but the artistry was clear and the people behind the scenes were obviously professionals.

    • @wolverinemcstud194
      @wolverinemcstud194 6 років тому +4

      I'm 37. Most of the obscure bands I listened to during the 90's, many still making albums now, seem to have turned to the pop formulas of their genres. It's kind of saddening. I have never been against growing and changing style. In fact I like it when they do it. I don't want them to sound the same on every album, but at the same time I don't want them to sound like every other song on the radio. Only a handful peak my interest over the years and I rarely find anything new I like. No distinctive catchy melodies. I started traveling backwards listening to the songs I missed out on like green eyed lady and dark star. I feel like music is going backwards in creativity.

    • @TheBrazilRules
      @TheBrazilRules 6 років тому +1

      Joshua Garden I was born in 1991 and I think grunge is trash, along with New Metal. So I agree with him that the 90's were mostly horrible. I can only find good music today in the so called indie Hip Hop scene, since they try to make more melodic songs with actual lyrics. Not just a 3 second loop stretched on 3 minutes with someone condoning greed, crime and casual sex over it. And that is because I only listened to Metal before, so the mainstream can really make you think bad of styles by misrepresenting them.

  • @Patbwoy
    @Patbwoy 6 років тому +14

    And it gets worse: The kids today don't even know anymore, what music COULD sound like. When they eventually start making music, they start out with a very limited musical vocabulary, which of course leads to even poorer music to emerge from the young generation. Just take young singers: They all sound the same, because there's only one singing style left, that's the R'n'B style, that everybody imitates these days. Since this music is so omnipresent, they neither get to hear anything different, nor will they be able to find their own unique way for constant bombardment with the same crap over and over again!

  • @prestonaxtell7338
    @prestonaxtell7338 8 років тому +59

    it's my teenage daughters fault

  • @myrddingwynedd2751
    @myrddingwynedd2751 3 роки тому +4

    What many don't realize regarding pop music, which on the surface appears simplistic, is that there is a great level of complexity to simplicity. In a way, it's the art of making something sound good out of very little. For example, music that is considered highly complexed uses many musical notes, and in that lies its appeal. But the appeal of simplistic pop music is that it is catchy, creating hooks out of very few notes. Ironically that isn't as simple as it sounds. That, in my opinion, is why pop music is perennially popular over most highly complexed styles of music, such as jazz or classical. It is melodic structure over rhythmic structure. The melodic structure of pop music is rhythmic, whilst more complexed styles rely on using all the notes available for its effectiveness. But, more isn't necessarily better. So we have to ask ourselves the question, if the music we criticise so much is that bad, why is it so popular? I think the more musically knowledgeable we are, the more we tend to look down on music that appears to operate on a musical skill level below what we perceive as highly skilled, and yet that is not what seems to attract most people musically speaking. It's a musical arrogance and snobbery of sorts, and this blinds us to the attractive and effective simplicity (which again isn't that simple) of pop music.

  • @phyfts
    @phyfts 7 років тому +32

    The problem is rock is pretty much dead.

    • @smokeyelcrack7489
      @smokeyelcrack7489 5 років тому +8

      kkkfts it’s sad and it’s sooooo good
      Actual talent

    • @LeonelLAURE
      @LeonelLAURE 5 років тому +2

      Great, and Christianity's still alive, til' Jesus arrives and the sun blows up.

    • @gabesuarez3474
      @gabesuarez3474 5 років тому +4

      Hip hop took the over. It’s just sad

    • @alexzemaitis1207
      @alexzemaitis1207 5 років тому +6

      @@Midnight65883 In the early 2000's there were bands that were still around like Blink 182, New Found Glory, Good Charlotte, Sum 41, etc. and even though they weren't really rock and were more punk/pop punk they still wrote songs with many creativity and have talent in to their music skills unlike these new pop/rap artists like Justin Bieber, Ariana Grande, Lil Pump, etc. That music is ASS.

    • @alexzemaitis1207
      @alexzemaitis1207 5 років тому +1

      Jarod David WTF?

  • @iidirectxii7545
    @iidirectxii7545 7 років тому +27

    I'm just going to say this, Michael Jackson, Prince and David Bowie are no longer with us... yeah, doesn't say much for modern music.

    • @princegoatcheese9379
      @princegoatcheese9379 5 років тому

      It just says their not around anymore. Their influence is still there, though.

    • @zaksmith3304
      @zaksmith3304 4 роки тому

      Peter Murphy with Bauhaus put David Bowie to shame.

  • @xtraflo
    @xtraflo 8 років тому +34

    The Masses have never been pressured to understand what makes something like Music, great. They simply follow the next blind follower for the Trend of the Day or Flavor of the Week, and go with that.
    No one seems to be honest with themselves when it comes to personal taste. It's almost like they have to seek approval whether they like something or not. It's a goddamn shame.

    • @collegerebel
      @collegerebel 6 років тому +6

      Because that's human nature, unfortunately. If you want to survive and reproduce, you have to play along with the rest of the pack, at the expense of personal authenticity.

    • @someguyfromanotherplanet5284
      @someguyfromanotherplanet5284 4 роки тому

      @@collegerebel
      That's the mentality of the herd.

    • @suiken3149
      @suiken3149 3 роки тому

      I like listening to Jazz and blues, thanks to underground hiphop. But my siblings is laughing at me for listening to such songs when the artist they listen is more laughable. They laughed at me for listening to Miles Davis or Duke Ellington while they are listening to another generic pop singer like Miley Cyrus.

  • @TheJollyMisanthrope
    @TheJollyMisanthrope 7 років тому +23

    If you have a half dozen people given writing credit for your song (besides yourself), and you're a solo artist, you may not actually have much talent. We have R&B, Hip Hop and Pop songs that have like 20 people listed for contributing to the song. At this point you get the impression that a bunch of suits sat in a room and looked for a formula to make the most money off of, as long as it was paired with an "artist" with the right look.
    The song is no longer the focus, it's more like a glorified advertisement for a consumer product based on a meticulously designed persona/image. Pop music has always had a degree of commercial marketing to it, but if the performer had actual talent, then it didn't detract much from the product. Michael Jackson could team up with Pepsi or some other company, which made him look like a bit of a sellout, but his music and ability to perform were at a high enough level that we could overlook it.

    • @Alondro77
      @Alondro77 6 років тому +3

      And let's not forget that Hip Hop frequently uses 'borrowed' melodies from other songs... and then rants profanity-laced, forced-rhyming, grammatical nonsense in a staccato monotone.

  • @patriciaharrison
    @patriciaharrison 7 років тому +33

    At least Duran Duran wrote their own music and played their own instruments!!!

    • @princegoatcheese9379
      @princegoatcheese9379 5 років тому

      A lot of musicians still play physical instruments and write their own music; it's not an isolated case. Some examples include Red Vox, Scale the Mountain, Shmu, and a whole lot of others out there.

    • @TheJollyMisanthrope
      @TheJollyMisanthrope 5 років тому +6

      @@princegoatcheese9379 Do any of them have near the number of hit songs that Duran Duran did?

  • @fuzzyjoe9374
    @fuzzyjoe9374 7 років тому +14

    Today's music specially the mainstream rap just sets trends. The fucking dab, what ever rain drop and drop top mean, people just saying gang gang gang, people doing the whip. This is *CANCER*. Almost everybody at school just thinks that whenever you say rock you mean emo. They call metallica death metal, fucking *DEATH* metal. WTF

    • @DVSPress
      @DVSPress  7 років тому

      They had an album called Death Magnetic. That means automatic Death Metal, right?

    • @fuzzyjoe9374
      @fuzzyjoe9374 7 років тому

      David Stewart No

    • @DVSPress
      @DVSPress  7 років тому

      At least we can agree Jethro Tull is Death Metal since they won the first grammy for best metal performance.

    • @fuzzyjoe9374
      @fuzzyjoe9374 7 років тому

      David Stewart lol wth noo 😂😂

    • @DVSPress
      @DVSPress  7 років тому +1

      Are you suggesting that the a Grammy award does not actually make a record of who was the best musician in a given year in a given category?!?!

  • @Jared_Wignall
    @Jared_Wignall 8 років тому +18

    As someone who grew up listening to Hip-Hop like Eminem, 2Pac and Biggie, I like all sorts of music aside from those three. I like Aerosmith, Metallica, Frank Sinatra, Johnny Cash, Bob Dylan as well as classical music. Even in the genres I like there is good music and bad music in them. It's all a matter of taste.

  • @FreeRPGer
    @FreeRPGer 7 років тому +20

    To me, music, movies, and other media artists have lost creativity (for the most part). It seems hard for the mainstream industry to be original with new ideas, like in the 60's, 70's, & 80's, so, many do reboots, re-imaginings, and remakes. To us it seems to have all been done, but truly, many lack creativity. Moreover, to me it seems that talented musicians took a backseat to programmed electronics, and vocalists with a wide range took a back seat to monotone simplicity.

    • @Drstrange3000
      @Drstrange3000 6 років тому +2

      FreeRPGer Agreed. I just can't get into the new sound sadly. I have tried.

  • @LividImp
    @LividImp 7 років тому +16

    The only thing worse than a jazz or a classical snob is a metal snob. There is nothing wrong with simple music. Making music is like making food, it only takes a few of the right ingredients to make something sublime (think a salted steak). To continue the analogy, the problem with Top40 pop is like making a dish with all food substitutes. It is like cooking Tofurkey with cheap knock off margarine and Sweet 'n' Low. It has no soul. And some people will lazily consume whatever shit is shoveled in front of them. What makes music great is that same X factor that makes great food great. You know it when you experience it, but there is no way to explain it.
    Complexity in music can be great (Bach is a great example). Much like Indian food, you can add many ingredients and end up with art. But mindlessly complex music has the same effect of just throwing the whole pantry into a blender. To that effect, much of metal, while technically impressive, is just mindless guitar wanking. Not all of it of course, there is some great metal. But 9 times out of 10 when I hear a metalhead shitting on "simple music", they're all about guitar wanking.
    Pop, in and of itself, isn't bad. Most pop is bad because pop is catchy, and the accountants that run record companies want catchy to move their otherwise dull product. So it is less about most pop music being bad, and more about most soulless corporate music being pop.

    • @Angel-xp5et
      @Angel-xp5et 5 років тому +3

      Livid Imp you are 100% true. I hate people who hate modern music. They are so closed minded.

  • @rockgod6180
    @rockgod6180 8 років тому +192

    There hasn't been anything good since the early 2000s

    • @vdsp011
      @vdsp011 8 років тому +16

      The only good music I remember from the early 2000s (on the pop charts anyway) was Queens of the Stone Age, White Stripes, and the Strokes. Maybe Jet. They were exceptions to the overall rule, though. The late 90s/early 2000s were TERRIBLE for popular music. 1994-1996 was the last great time for pop.

    • @dante6x
      @dante6x 8 років тому +7

      Rock God Yea. I'm more of a 80s-90's guy.

    • @WebMint_
      @WebMint_ 7 років тому +4

      Rock God If you actually think music is getting worse then you are very close minded when it comes to music.

    • @mennokuipers5709
      @mennokuipers5709 7 років тому +6

      you're blind. There has been good music, but it's just not popular anymore.

    • @mennokuipers5709
      @mennokuipers5709 7 років тому

      EdgeRay 1309 muse

  • @matt1901
    @matt1901 8 років тому +25

    Your familiarity theory is not how I experienced music. I was a teenager in the 90ties but hate 90ties music. It was horrible - either depressing grunge, annyoing brit-pop or stupid techno music. I always liked 60ties, 70ties, and 70ties music (Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Pink Floyd, Santana, Hendrix etc.). Then again, some good music was released from the early 2000ths when electronic music became well developed (Infected Mushroom, Carbon-based Lifeforms, Solar Fields etc.).

    • @DVSPress
      @DVSPress  8 років тому

      +Oliver Mattausch I actually like Infected Mushroom - one of the few EDM-type bands I find interesting. And I was the same way in the 90s. BUT! I still think the perception of music getting worse is a common one, and I believe it is because people have a bias toward what they were first exposed to. Obviously not everyone is going to be that way.

    • @gonk4509
      @gonk4509 7 років тому +1

      At least Grunge had meaning unlike Pop Music

    • @thesalamanderking3475
      @thesalamanderking3475 7 років тому +1

      Oliver Mattausch The Postal Service as well

    • @minabee369
      @minabee369 6 років тому +1

      The meaning of grunge was nihilism. Hair metal was cheesy, but at least it was fun. Thankfully the "Brit Pop" movement in the mid 90's made music enjoyable again.

  • @SevenFootPelican
    @SevenFootPelican 6 років тому +21

    I disagree with the conservative bias point you made... I have an appreciation for 80's music... and 60's music... and those were both 1 and 3 decades before I was born... I also hated "old" music when I was younger, so I never catalogued it as being good. I mean the reality is that mainstream pop music back in the 80's were objectively better. Even by objectively measurable standards... such as musicians used to be, on average, much older than the average musician today who is typically in their late teens or early 20's... pop culture and music is being produced by children/young adults, promoted by children/young adults, being performed by children/young adults, targeted mainly at children/young adults... music and pop culture in general has been dumbed down and infantilized

  • @jaysphilosophy1951
    @jaysphilosophy1951 6 років тому +9

    This is the industry's fault for not creating hardware in music. Something you can actually touch and feel is said to be of value, rather than something you artificially upload into a computer somewhere. Also, musicians nowadays are forced into an informal economy, an economy where there is no actual wealth creation, an economy where the artist has to sing for there meal. This is fine if you're young, but if you want time to grow old, to have a family, to generate wealth, you want royalties. This is where the screw up is, and also, this is why there is no new music nowadays. Before the 2000's according to the IRS, there were over 300,000 musicians making over 100,000 a year, when napster hit, this whole class went away and has been stagnant now for over a decade. It's flusted the music economy into a zipf curve, or in science called, a long tail, where there are few winners, and a vast sea of losers, where the winners benefit tremendously, and the losers earn nothing. Want you actually want, to sustain an industry, is a bell distribution, or a bell curve, where there is actually a strong number in the middle, this was true before the explosion of the internet among other things.

  • @Loverboy19691
    @Loverboy19691 8 років тому +22

    The music has declined since 1990. 60's, 70's and 80's are the best.

    • @bapyongukgukguk2352
      @bapyongukgukguk2352 7 років тому +4

      Andrew Dexter I think by mid 2000 it became soulless

    • @ScorpioBornIn69
      @ScorpioBornIn69 6 років тому +3

      Same here, it really all died in the early '90s when rap, dance-hip hop and grunge alternative became mainstream which really said it all for the future of music and that is it'll only get worst as the years pass. And I was right.

    • @sjdrifter72
      @sjdrifter72 6 років тому +3

      Andrew Dexter You are so right. Good music died in the 1990's but you could see the winds of change start to blow in the very late 80's when the ghetto and the seattle sound garbage started to get pushed to the forefront and all the talented artists were pushed aside and later pushed way in the background entirely.

    • @PUBNave
      @PUBNave 6 років тому

      I love the 1960's.

    • @jewmatria9291
      @jewmatria9291 6 років тому +1

      it ended after the grunge/alternative era

  • @iidirectxii7545
    @iidirectxii7545 7 років тому +2

    One of the biggest problems of modern music I feel is over production, too much reliance on computer alternation.

  • @shanemckenna9416
    @shanemckenna9416 7 років тому +31

    Well yeah there was always rubbish around in every decade but back in the sixties and seventies when I was growing up even the junk had something memorable about it. A catchy hook or a distinctive vocal that remained in your head, Today though none of the pop songs stay with you. The decline of melody is one of the saddest things about music of the last twenty years.

    • @ceilingsandfloors
      @ceilingsandfloors 6 років тому +1

      They didn't have protools, synths or autotune back then, so they more or less had to rely on decent singers and real instruments, even for crappy pop music. What was considered bad pop music in the 60s and 70s, could probably be considered good music nowadays, and probably appealing in a retro way. I'll take "Seasons in the Sun" over Ed Sheeran, or any of these current "folk" artists (overpolished acoustic guitars and cringy throaty vocal style with too much delay effect) any day of the week. While new technology can make a mediocre song sound better, it can also make it sound worse)

    • @swiftstreak98
      @swiftstreak98 5 років тому

      Well said

    • @swiftstreak98
      @swiftstreak98 5 років тому

      As a 2000's kid I can relate (especially since I still listen to Sum41, Simple plan and Linkin Park, etc)

  • @entroducingjpeg
    @entroducingjpeg 7 років тому +6

    I think modern music doesn't suck,but the good modern music has been overshadowed by mediocre pop singer's and overrated bands,some good modern bands are Bloc Party,The War On Drugs,MGMT,Tame Impala,Passion Pit,Klaxons,Two Door Cinema Club,Editors,Atlas Genius,The Killers,The Strokes,Mac Demarco,Kendrick Lamar,Tyler The Creator,and Childish Gambino

  • @Dantallica1
    @Dantallica1 8 років тому +31

    I've realized that if I wanna hear good music these days, I hafta write it myself ;)

    • @isbreadlife1307
      @isbreadlife1307 6 років тому +4

      No

    • @ludocrious7898
      @ludocrious7898 6 років тому +2

      yeah xd kinda my plan

    • @peterbetts858
      @peterbetts858 6 років тому +1

      the problem with that is that there are standards or else , ONLY You , will think its good .

    • @potatoking4227
      @potatoking4227 5 років тому

      or just listen to older stuff because it's better.

  • @rowdyrico
    @rowdyrico 6 років тому +7

    Some really near sighted and limited opinions applied on way too broad a base. Pop music and repetitive music "sucks" to intelligent people who require more complex music? While music today sucks, it has nothing to do with simplicity, or repetition, but rather a lack of any sort of relatable connection to life in the subject matter except for self indulgence and self destruction,whether it is money, drugs, or sex. Superficiality is much different than simplicity.There are people who only think of these simple things 24/7, and people who don't. There you go.

    • @bobbywizdum5248
      @bobbywizdum5248 6 років тому +3

      100 % agreed. Complexity doesnt make something good. Relateabilty, feeling, soul, meaninging, emotion do imo. Todays music has none of those things which is why it sucks.

    • @nannapeepo
      @nannapeepo 3 роки тому

      It doesn't need to have deep lyrics (I don't relate to most music from the 70s/80s/90s and I love it anyway) it just needs to sound GOOD.

  • @CharityDiary
    @CharityDiary 8 років тому +51

    I guess you do have a point. Personally, I feel that music as a whole is moving in a direction that I wholeheartedly dislike, where most (if not all) of the instruments are being "played" by a computer program instead of a real person. Take Taylor Swift and Fall Out Boy for example -- their older stuff was pretty good because they had real people playing instruments on their tracks, but when you look at their most recent albums, the only real non-programmed instrument you hear is the vocals, and those are generally tweaked and layered to hell. Guitar has been replaced by electronic tones and strings, while the entire percussion track has been reduced to a standard bass note and ELECTRONIC CLAPS. Like, they can't even use real claps.
    As someone who actually plays music, it angers me on such an emotional level when I tell people that a newer Fall Out Boy / Taylor Swift song doesn't have any actual instruments in it, and they point me to the Wikipedia page like, "Look, here's the guitarist and bassist and drummer listed right here on the band page." Yeah, but that entire album is comprised of nothing but programmed keys and strings, electronic claps, a fake bass kick, and tons of vocal layering. No one sat down to play and record the guitar or drums for those tracks. And sure, they need touring instrumentalists, because no one would go see Fall Out Boy if it was just the dude singing while his laptop played the songs in the background.
    For the last century we've had popular musicians and bands that have inspired people to pick up instruments and learn them. You had The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, The Who, Pink Floyd, AC/DC, Rush, Def Leppard, U2, Metallica, Iron Maiden, The Police, Pearl Jam, Oasis, etc, all very popular bands of the last half-century, all of which inspired generations of people to pick up instruments and learn to play them. You don't have that now. No one's going to listen to the latest One Direction track and think "Omg I've gotta learn that on guitar / drums!", and there aren't really any popular "bands" around anymore that actually play their instruments. I think Paramore and Fall Out Boy were the last real "rock" bands that fell. So now when people get inspired to learn an instrument, they're being inspired by music that's 20+ years old.
    So I think in that regard, yes, the quality of music has been decreasing, because it's becoming less about the physical playing of instruments, and as someone who actually plays an instrument, I think that sucks. However, if I didn't play any instruments and just generally had no idea about music at all, I admit that I'd probably enjoy today's pop music :P
    A question for you: if the technology had been there in the ~1960's, do you think music would have became as electronically influenced then as it is today?

    • @parthiancapitalist2733
      @parthiancapitalist2733 7 років тому

      Charity Diary music is a beauty, not a playground. Elvis thought it was a playground, and he was kinda good, but it didn't match what quality music had before.

    • @DVSPress
      @DVSPress  7 років тому +2

      I never answered this comment - music technology (which was new at the time) had a huge influence in the music of the 1960s, so I would anticipate a similar effect if they had the same technology access.

    • @AndrewWilliams-zc1hf
      @AndrewWilliams-zc1hf 7 років тому

      The backing on most of todays tuneless songs sounds like a kid learning the keyboard with just the same few notes.

    • @jeffrperkinsdds9391
      @jeffrperkinsdds9391 6 років тому

      ua-cam.com/video/oVME_l4IwII/v-deo.html

    • @bobbywizdum5248
      @bobbywizdum5248 6 років тому

      100 percent right. They pick up there laptops to become "beat makers".

  • @Peteruspl
    @Peteruspl 6 років тому +3

    I've heard that by running an analysis of hits from last decades there were some significant finding about the quality of modern music. The tonal range is being narrowed, also volume stays flatter and is just overall louder.

    • @namanjoshi1477
      @namanjoshi1477 2 роки тому

      Absolutely Correct!
      Something about Timbre

  • @necrophilicexcretion8613
    @necrophilicexcretion8613 8 років тому +35

    100%. Pop music has gotten so bad over the past 2 decades, it's a DISGRACE for real musicians, who die hard for the music, for their craft and musicianship. I myself am VERY ashamed of being a musician, a songwriter, producer because all these money grubbing douchebags ruin it all for us.

    • @parthiancapitalist2733
      @parthiancapitalist2733 7 років тому

      Necrophilic Excretion i think it died in the 70's

    • @lipat97
      @lipat97 7 років тому +1

      Necrophilic Excretion actually pop just got good again. Kesha, Lady Gaga, Lana Del Rey, Lorde, and arguably Katy Perry are actually making good records now (as opposed to their earlier works). So you have to ask yourself, is pop bad or is it that its just not for you? Pop songs are meant to be happy and fun, its not like rock which is more meaningful and serious. In pop, the emotion behind the main tune is the main factor. The lyrics are also more about poignancy than poetry. If its a good tune, and the lyrics are decent, then its good pop. Now I can name quite a few pop records this year that have decent to good lyrics and high quality instrumentation, but if you look at it like its a rock song then you're just expecting a fish to climb a tree or calling a skittle bad because it doesnt taste like a steak.
      For one, I think you should try the new Feist album out. Its folk pop (you know, that sound taylor swift butchers every other year), but I think you'll like it. Has a bit of a kinks vibe to it imo.

    • @dennuzz99
      @dennuzz99 7 років тому +1

      Liam Burke pop is 100% plastic and boring. The artists you mentioned are Just as bad

    • @lipat97
      @lipat97 7 років тому

      No, they aren't lol. Kesha, Feist, and Lorde have made ridiculously good albums this year. Stop swallowing the shit these other guys are trying to feed you and go make your own opinion. There's nothing wrong with a fun song. Dont act like some beacon of creativity when you can only comprehend one narrow genre of music.

    • @dennuzz99
      @dennuzz99 7 років тому +3

      Liam Burke i made my own opinion. They fucking suck. Stop Being the sheep that accepts any kind of crap the mainstream puts out. Oh wait it's not an opinion it's a fact.

  • @ganondorfdragmire7886
    @ganondorfdragmire7886 8 років тому +22

    "I listen to black metal all day, so of course I like Arnold Schoenberg."
    Instant like and sub.

  • @ChristianBurrola
    @ChristianBurrola 8 років тому +14

    Love Me Do may not have many sections but what it does have is a soulful performance, incredible harmonies, an epic harmonica section, and an incredible groove. Love Me Do is definitely on par with their later work. It would be incorrect to say that The Beatles progressed. Their r&b phase was just as groundbreaking and their psychedelic rock phase. I Wanna Hold Your hand is not pop, it's rhythm and blues. "The Way We Were, that sucked" If you seriously think Barbara is not a good singer and that the string arrangement was not good, you're insane. My Sharona is a great groove, lot's of cool rhythmic things happening between the guitars and the drums. George Michael is an amazing singer and Wham! was one of the best artists of 80s pop. I hate Ke$ha too but Alicia Keys is actually decent and The Black Eyed Peas are a great dance group. Usher is an incredible singer. The White Album is more like a 4 star album. "Spice Girls was the top album of 1997" Deservedly so, it's an amazing record with incredible vocal harmonies, they took what they learned from Wilson Phillips and En Vogue and brought it to a massive audience by combining it with the sounds of what was modern hip-hop at the time, brilliant work. "There are artists out there who can actually sing without autotune" Like SPICE GIRLS, there was no autotune on the first two records. 'That level of practice is missing from a lot of artists more recently" No argument there. Totally agree. I think the best composer of the Baroque was Jacquet de la Guerre and the worst was Jean-Baptiste Lully. The Galant style is just flat out boring, let's just keep it real. I love atonal music too. I don't like black metal but I love death metal. Ace of Base, while not as groundbreaking as Nirvana, knew how to make great dance songs. They were very well put together and a huge influence on later styles such as reggaeton. A lot of the music that you say is not very complex may not be so in a harmonic ,melodic, or lyrical way but are definitely so in a rhythmic way. A good example is disco, a lot of people like to give disco a lot of flack but the truth is that a lot of it had amazing drumming, bass work, and percussion. The syncopation and driving counter rhythms are what get you to the dance floor ( a lot of these rhythms have afro-cuban and columbian roots). In terms of the argument of new music getting worse. I look at the billboard charts of the 70s and 80s and I'd say about 70-80% of the songs are good. I look at the billboard charts from the 2000s and 2010s and I find only about 20-30% of it to be good. I was born in 1993.

    • @Alondro77
      @Alondro77 6 років тому

      I think Streisand is egotistical beeyatch, but "The Way We Were" was a lovely romantic tune. And let's look at groups like Tears for Fears, with songs like "Shout" and "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" which are still popular with a large audience to this day. There was so much variety in the older pop music. Now it all sounds the same. And that's been scientifically demonstrated several times over the past couple years!

  • @edinop4205
    @edinop4205 6 років тому +1

    I'd just like to know how the use of crude language can be construed as a form of "artistry". It took us 700 years to get to here? Maybe it's a throwback to what might be genetic, and a throw back to Yelling across the plains, or jungles of Africa.....Kinda like a re-connect and a tribal "in your face"?

  • @ShiftingDrifter
    @ShiftingDrifter 8 років тому +21

    Don't you know about the new style honey?
    All you need are looks and a whole lotta money."
    It's the next phase, new wave, dance craze, anyways it's still rock and roll to me...

  • @brodyreyes3235
    @brodyreyes3235 5 років тому +2

    Best music of genre from each decade
    1700-1800s-Baroque
    1800-1900s-Romantic/Jazz/Blues
    1900s-Jazz/Blues
    1910s-Jazz/Ragtime/Blues
    1920s-Ragtime/Jazz
    1930s-Swing/Jazz/Boogie Woogie
    1940s-Jazz/Country/Swing
    1950s- Rock/Doo Wop/Folk/Jazz/Soul
    1960s-Pop/Rock/R&B/Motown/Soul
    1970s-Heavy Metal/Rock/Disco/Funk
    1980s-Punk Rock/Hard Rock/New Wave/Synthpop
    1990s-Hip Hop/Grunge/Rap/Alternative Rock
    2000s-Nu Metal/Southern-Northern Hip Hop
    2010-Rap/Pop

  • @keeysOST
    @keeysOST 7 років тому +8

    It's funny, back then Michael Jackson was considered a dancing machine, now I look at all these popular brain dead dances and ask myself what happened!!??

    • @realmichaud
      @realmichaud 6 років тому +6

      the difference is that Jackson had style and charisma and smarts............today its just go along to get along

  • @nikolozka1
    @nikolozka1 5 років тому +2

    At least you could understand what they were singing, nowadays I need subtitles plus slang dictionary to get a clue what they are on about.

  • @sevrent2811
    @sevrent2811 8 років тому +47

    The thing is. There's more "bad music" today then there was in the 1970s or whatever. I'm generally open to new music. I was into the whole pop music like rap and daft punk and stuff until I discovered Queen and Zeppelin and became a rock guy. I have to say pop music is pretty bad compare to most pop songs In the past. Music today lacks chord progressions, and is so lost built on a single catchy hook line. And repetition of verses to built up a "bass drop" to the hookline it's pretty dumb and simple. Music today lacks valuable meaning, and good messages. It's just empty bs. Infact a lot of pop music especially rap is negatively influencing pop culture.

    • @danielmadison6561
      @danielmadison6561 8 років тому +7

      Daft Punk isnt fucking pop

    • @InevitableTruth247
      @InevitableTruth247 8 років тому +14

      Loferix gaming lmao, me too, I was young, I was stuck in the mud, I didn't know guns n roses existed, or acdc, because the community keeps shoving pop music down our throats without realizing it, then I found rock/metal and realized, hey! This is rock eh? 20 times better than pop. Now I play guitar and try to revive it at my school, but too many autistic kids dabbing and whipping.

    • @kyleellis8665
      @kyleellis8665 8 років тому

      Loferix I can completely relate to ya lol

    • @WebMint_
      @WebMint_ 7 років тому +1

      Daniel Madison They are now but they weren't back in 2001.

    • @weshenley6675
      @weshenley6675 7 років тому +1

      Loferix 70s wasnt bad

  • @BlackburnBigdragon
    @BlackburnBigdragon 6 років тому +1

    I think that the problem that we have now is that back in the 60's 70's and even in the 80's, the music industry worked by taking chances on artists. Artists would submit stuff and if someone liked their stuff, they invested some cash and gave them a shot. If they sold well, they invested more money. If not, they stopped. What's happened now is that they've dropped that model because it became too risky. They don't want to risk their cash on a potential failure any more. So what they do now, is manufacture their own artists. They bring in a studio guy who builds tracks on a computer with a drum machine and a sampler (That's why everything sounds the same. All these tunes are done by one small group of people.), and they just plug in their pretty artist. Then they ram the songs that they recorded down everyone's throats, paying for airtime in EVERY piece of media that they can get that one tune into. They tell the public who to like and who's songs to purchase instead of the other way around now. That's why music sucks now. Even finding good music on the internet now is difficult. Not impossible, but difficult. Most people use computers for everything and finding something raw, unprocessed and just.. more real, like it was back then, is excessively difficult today. Stuff exists, but a lot of the really pure music like it was in the 60's. 70's, and prior is really a dying art, and it's being replaced by this homogenized, scrubbed, computer cut-and-pasted crap.

  • @simplythebest2k
    @simplythebest2k 8 років тому +9

    Give me anything from before the computer age and I can listen to it. I detest music of today and I finally figured out what is wrong with it.
    It is artificial and no one has to be a master at their instruments. It's all computerized.
    Good example is megadeth listen to their original albums then listen to the clean up that Dave did to all his albums. It's the same music but the perfection computerized clean up takes away from the flair of the original recordings.

    • @simplythebest2k
      @simplythebest2k 8 років тому +4

      Lol I posted that before finishing your video, I'm glad you touched on that.....
      ....but I think that's what's really wrong with music more so than the novelty you speak of.
      I can listen to anything from black metal to the Beatles or even nirvana....mind you as a metal head in the late 80 to 90s I didn't like them till after his death because like you said I didn't get hooked to the novelty ride away since I was comparing the style to say guns and roses, Mötley Crüe, ACDC, Zeppelin, sabbath or Metallica...sepultura...slayer...Danzig, ect, ect. I started listening to the grungy stuff some time after I discovered white zombie and NIN.
      In my 20s started listening to stuff I had not and started liking stuff like Bon jovi. Stuff that as a teen would be uncool to listen to cause teen reasons.
      Once I started playing guitar seriously I even got in to classical music. So as a lover of a diverse amount of music. I can honestly say that computers tool have made music crap.
      Even if you listen to say rap of today vs rap at is roots it's just so different.
      I can go even further chase you know girls....if you listen to a Britney Spears album of the 90s vs one of today. You can tell the difference.
      Music with out mistakes, proficiancy, talent, and rawness is just stale.

    • @simplythebest2k
      @simplythebest2k 8 років тому

      Reminds me of a deep space nine episode....ok going to stop talking to my self.

    • @DVSPress
      @DVSPress  8 років тому

      +John christopher Yeah I don't really care for most of the Megadeth re-masters. That highly compressed "modern" sound robs a lot of the subtlety from the music, especially on Rust in Peace, which is actually a quite dynamic metal album.

  • @SuperIvysaur
    @SuperIvysaur 6 років тому +1

    I'm here because after listening to "humble" I just had to search why people listen that kind of stuff thinking of it as some kind of masterpice or a classic. I just feel like we are losing something generation after generation because kids have bad examples as parents, and with the advent of social media the bad music spreads like a disease among the little kids that think that stuff is cool.

  • @autobotsNdecepticons
    @autobotsNdecepticons 5 років тому +12

    I've been hearing people complaining about an imaginary decline in the quality of music since I was a kid. Times have changed. Tech has changed. The biggest difference is today there's a lot MORE music than ever before. Naturally, there's probably more bad (or in some cases maybe just incomplete) music than ever before, but there's probably also more good music than ever before--but you might have to look for it.

    • @jackg350
      @jackg350 Рік тому

      I agree but there is not more good music than ever before there’s just not. however I won’t undermine the actual good music that is modern like Alice In Chains 2018 album Rainer Fog and many more. The issue is record producers want give any attention to real talented young people they only want a presentable person they can make a brand out of

  • @philmstud2k
    @philmstud2k 4 роки тому +2

    It’s only worse today. Our culture is fallen.

  • @worstpianist3985
    @worstpianist3985 4 роки тому +6

    Popular music: yes
    Music: no

  • @kanegord3109
    @kanegord3109 8 років тому +2

    Great video, David. Tell me, what are your thoughts on Michael Jackson's music? I think his early stuff was good and innovative.

    • @DVSPress
      @DVSPress  8 років тому

      +kane gord I still play my thriller LP frequently. I think it is one of the best produced albums ever. Quincy Jones got the best of the best to help craft those songs (Toto and Eddie Van Halen, among others), and it pays off. Micheal Jackson himself is talented, but it is the whole package that really makes it sound so good, even after all these years.

  • @CesarManiaX
    @CesarManiaX 8 років тому +7

    Popular music doesn't suck. What sucks is today's rap music

    • @fletchercalderbank8498
      @fletchercalderbank8498 8 років тому +12

      Popular music sucks too

    • @neox9369
      @neox9369 8 років тому

      +Mareșalul Alexandru Averescu. Huuuh??? Original rap was jazz influenced.

    • @neox9369
      @neox9369 8 років тому

      +Mareșalul Alexandru Averescu. Listen to the earoh East coast black new jack swing r&b of the late 80's early 90's, new edition, Guy, Rene, Tribe Called Quest and tons of other main and not so mainstream. Listen to the instruments, beats and poetic flow. They just don't make it like that anymore, it's sad.

    • @vdsp011
      @vdsp011 8 років тому +2

      Katy Perry, Bieber, Beyonce, Maroon 5, Twenty One Pilots, Lady Gaga, Pink, One Direction, Rihanna, etc aren't rap, and they are awful.

    • @aa561234
      @aa561234 8 років тому

      Bruno Mars ???

  • @one_point21_gigawatts
    @one_point21_gigawatts 4 роки тому +1

    Nirvana, Chilli Peppers, Green Day, SubLime, OffSpring, Tool, Quicksand, Toadies, Soundgarden, Sytem Of The Down, Tom Petty, Sugar Ray, Limp Bizkit, Lenny Kravitz, Everclear, Beastie Boys, Guns and Roses, Presidents, Third Eye Blind, Live, No Doubt , Soul Asylum, Puddle Of Mudd, I could go on and on- the 90's Rocked! 😁✌ I just found this old video of yours.

  • @wafflestoast5228
    @wafflestoast5228 5 років тому +3

    2000's pop was actually quite fun, and had some cool character. That decade as a whole was just freaky and odd, but definitely memorable. I've noticed how much more catchy those tunes are than the garbage made in the 2010's. There have been only a handful of records in this decade that I'll take along with me for the rest of my life. I sincerely hope the 20's are stellar, and that music becomes valuable again. Spotify needs to die

  • @GeahkBurchill
    @GeahkBurchill 8 років тому +11

    The short answer is, *'NO.'*
    The great musicians haven't gone anywhere but it's far harder to get support. This is true for all performing arts (I'm a puppeteer and a lot of my friends are musicians) It's harder than ever to get audiences to turn out to your show and harder than ever to get paid to perform.
    Getting to be a great musician is a long process. Back in the 80's & 90's I remember how easy it was to pack a local music venue with a band you never heard of. Ten months later that band would be huge. (This happened for me with Green Day, No Doubt, Zebrahead, Smashmouth, etc--not that any of those bands were phenomenal but they got big through live performance) If you can't get traction within the first year, it becomes much harder to keep up the passion. One of my favorite bands (Remy Zero) couldn't find traction even after multiple hits and ultimately dissolved after three albums.
    I know at least six bands filled with great musicians who struggled for a couple years and then gave up on the third year.
    Art and music are free everywhere you go and that lowers the value of great art and music. No one can afford to split part time work and also be a musician. At some point you have to give up and get a 'real job' and that means great musicians are not making it to the big time. Just the corporate, studio crap put together by marketers.
    So, using The Beatles as an example; what if _Love Me, Do_ or _I Wanna Hold Your Hand_ never hit? They were good enough in the 60's to grab attention because there wasn't that much else. No competing entertainment. No Netflix or Internet. There was plenty of other great music at the time but not enough (And not free-enough) to drown out _I Wanna Hold Your Hand_
    So, imagine a world with no big hit for The Beatles early on. No Rubber Soul afterwards and no Sgt. Pepper's. The Beatles just gave up after a few albums because they just couldn't get the traction.
    I think that's the way it is for _LOTS_ of great bands now. People with passion and talent who put in the work and time but aren't rewarded for it at all. It feels like throwing all that time and energy into an empty void. And then you see Drake. He gets huge and you can't even really consider it "music". That shit is demoralizing.
    I think those are the main problems.

  • @RolandoPeralta3DGraphics
    @RolandoPeralta3DGraphics 6 років тому +1

    I was a teenager in the 90's and yet I think that music was at its best in the 80's

  • @SuperEnforcer88
    @SuperEnforcer88 8 років тому +10

    And nowadays you can't select nothing because all is shit.

  • @VintiqueSound
    @VintiqueSound 7 років тому

    I'll preface by saying, I never meant this to be a rant... but I just went to town and don't feel like editing it.
    rant/
    Music has only ever continued to get easier to preserve (sheet music), record, produce, distribute, and release to the world. I think this fact alone has a huge role in how we perceive whether music has gotten better or worse through time.
    Not to mention, as the centuries unfold, more and more people have more free time to learn instruments, learn how to make music, how to record music on their own, or produce EDM, etc., which in the end results in more music released unto the world per capita, as time goes on. Again, I think this fact alone has much to do with how we perceive of the quality of music through time.
    And one more huge thing is the way in which music will be propelled across the globe, such that a few people in Canada, for instance, can produce a few tracks using auto tune techniques and other electronic music production techniques/tools/samples (Drake fits this description) will be heard by an immense amount of people in such a short amount of time, and then develops into a world-wide artist seemingly overnight.
    Before the Baroque era, the use of polyphony was almost unheard of (or at least there's little to no evidence of any sheet music demonstrating the contrary). During that era only a very select few geniuses, if you will, had the opportunity to pursue music as a career, since instruments alone were so hard to come by, let alone access to the musical education, and the funding from kings/governments to pay for musical performances, thus sustaining your livelihood by continuing to make music and get better at it.
    Nowadays, Drake and a few other producers can just buy a DAW for a few hundred bucks, sing over some samples they put together, rig up a synth and make a bassline, and then polish it up by sending it out to mixing/mastering engineers, and whatnot, and withing a decade of experimenting with music making during their free time growing up, spending a tiny fraction of their savings, and banding together to create an album/a vision together, they make a few albums that hit the charts worldwide. And it can spread worldwide only because of the information systems in place in our day in age (i.e., the internet, cable tv, the media, etc.).
    But not only that, people have become far less snooty yet far more indulgent about what constitutes "good" music. Nowadays it's incredibly common for people to hit the bars every weekend, to chat up people, to party, to dance, to indulge in having a good time and they don't give a fuck about what other people think. And Drake's music resonates with them, it's perfect background music and dancing music for them, and the lyrics resonate with their life experiences, etc. And to be honest, I get it.
    Furthermore, music is far more democratized nowadays, so the fact that Drake and people resonate with so many people and the fact that his music is topping the charts shouldn't go unnoticed or be swept under the rug as somehow just "music mistakenly thought of as good music, but really it's just because there's some novelty there". Snooty people who just don't "get it" typically classify music such as Drake's as terrible music. I think that clearly shows a disconnect between the traditional way of understanding the value and quality of music (such as a classical and academic understanding of music, or how the big record labels would have thrust upon us) and the simple everyday experience of the common person who's just trying to live their life but who usually don't give a shit about what people think and who aren't afraid to indulge (i.e., getting drunk, partying, dancing in the club, going out every weekend with the crew to let loose, clubbing, picking up chicks, grinding, understanding that sex is fucking awesome and there's no reason to be ashamed of being full on sexual, etc.).
    The same kind of disconnect between the quasi-academic way of understanding a given topic, like music, and of the everyday understanding of that same topic runs true for so many things. University and academia is just not for everyone, going full on logical is not gonna resonate with everyone either. And to ignore the emotional reasons for any given thing would be to ignore our humanity. Drake's music, and many other styles of music for instance, tends to be so much more raw and unfiltered to the point that we see our humanity for what it truly is (I'm not talking about the media aspect of this music, and how it gets spun up with ten chicks grinding a lifted/hydraulic car and their all wearing gold chains type of thing. I'm talking about the raw transmission of emotions from a rapper to the listener, for example).
    Anyways, haha, I'll stop while I'm ahead.
    /rant

  • @hawaii6282
    @hawaii6282 6 років тому +7

    Modern Music Is Awful

  • @Northface-uc4ge
    @Northface-uc4ge 7 років тому +3

    this era will be forgotten in terms of music and everything the only things that are good is underground music

  • @marusdod3685
    @marusdod3685 8 років тому +14

    I think It's internet that ruined music because people dont buy CD's anymore and artists have 0 incentive to make good songs

    • @zayburnell
      @zayburnell 6 років тому +3

      i still buy cd's

    • @fascistgamer6514
      @fascistgamer6514 6 років тому +1

      Yes. Artists have to tour more to make money rather spend time making albums for money

    • @bluesolace9052
      @bluesolace9052 6 років тому

      I bought two, but yeah, not enough people buy em

    • @uzefulvideos3440
      @uzefulvideos3440 6 років тому +1

      But production costs are so much lower thanks to digital recording.
      Today everyone can produce music if he wants.

    • @fascistgamer6514
      @fascistgamer6514 6 років тому +3

      Uzefulvideos That can be a positive thing and a negative thing. It’s cool people can make their own stuff, but at the same time it dilutes the industry. We enjoyed those older bands because partly we aspired to be them, once you reach that point, then what’s the incentive for the music industry to make good stuff.

  • @QazwerDave
    @QazwerDave 7 років тому +12

    I think BOTH the best AND the worst music ever comes out today !!

    • @thebottles2684
      @thebottles2684 5 років тому +1

      Yea i love lyrics like "nanana nanana nana nana down down" 10/10 or "i love when you call me sěnorita"

    • @zaksmith3304
      @zaksmith3304 4 роки тому +1

      The best music does NOT come out today.

    • @QazwerDave
      @QazwerDave 4 роки тому

      @@zaksmith3304 I guess we disagree

    • @zaksmith3304
      @zaksmith3304 4 роки тому +1

      @@QazwerDave I suppose we do. Musicians are not as talented as they once were, perhaps it is because of the movement away from instrumental music into the realm of electronic music. I am not saying that there are no talented musicians at all, just that they are much less common. I have music production software and ANYONE can shit out music there with just a keyboard and mouse. I use instruments with the software, but instrument proficiency is not required as I can edit any mistakes with the click of a button (I am legitimately good at the piano and guitar). Not very many can pick up an instrument and play it properly today. In my opinion the pop music today is much less profound lyrically and musically, no doubt in my mind. It is mass produced by insecure teenagers because they can do it on their home computer. People can't sing anymore either. Popular artists are not musicians, they are insecure, immature teenagers at best. The Beatles were profoundly more talented than today's pop artists and they were still garbage musicians. Yes garbage has existed for years, but there are twice as many people living now than there were in the 70's and technology has crippled the interest in real instruments for young people in many regards (NOT ALL). Tool I would say is a great example of great musicianship in the modern age, there are more, but that is the best example that comes to mind. They are a no bullshit band. Those are few and far between now and then but definitely more so now than then.

    • @QazwerDave
      @QazwerDave 4 роки тому

      @@zaksmith3304 I think that while the percentage of shit, especially in the pop music scene, has undoubtebly gone streadily upwards along side techonogical inovation and proliferation, I do think that the number of talented musicians, as well as their actual level, have never been higher than right now, also this spurred on, at least partly, by technology. Learning an instrument has never been easier, and resources like youtube in overflowing with sources for learning and mastery. There are people today doing things never seen before, simply because everyone can see what all of their colleagues are doing and how they're doing it. Rivals are pushing each other from the other side of the globe.

  • @ST0PM0SS
    @ST0PM0SS 6 років тому +5

    There was no good music after 1760

  • @max1hero886
    @max1hero886 6 років тому +1

    What is good music?

  • @bawoman
    @bawoman 8 років тому +23

    As others have said, whether music as a whole sucks now could be debatable..what isnt is that in comparison to the past, mainstream music does suck. I listen to alot of old Top 40 radios show from the 70s-to the 90-s and yeah, alot of it WAS garbage as well, however there is a decent amount of stuff in there as well...sure you had the Osmonds and ELO and a bunch of disco crap, but stuff like David bowie or the Stones or Pink Floyd did manage to make it into the mainstream, which isnnt the case any longer.
    Also, it's one think to check Top 40 singles, but if you check the top selling albums from the 60-80's you really do see quite a difference with the quality of music.
    Personally, I grew up in the 90s, and while I do think I may have a bias because I do think it was the last decent decade of music, it still wasnt nearly as good as the 60s or the 70s

    • @vdsp011
      @vdsp011 8 років тому +3

      As for the Osmonds, "Crazy Horses" and "Yo-Yo" are far better than anything you hear today from Katy Perry or the rest of them. I agree that the 90s were the last decade of music, although it only lasted until about 1996 when the alternative rock movement ended for good. It's worth noting that 2001-2004 did produce some good stuff (White Stripes, Strokes, Queens of the Stone Age, Jet, Hives, etc) but other than that, there was nothing else worthwhile after 1996.

    • @UrbanMonkey55
      @UrbanMonkey55 7 років тому +2

      I wouldn't call ELO crap at all. Lots of good songs, like 10538 Overture.
      But that just reinforces your point, which is all too true.

    • @vdsp011
      @vdsp011 7 років тому +1

      Not everything has to be metal, or some variation on that brooding theme. As far as mainstream went in the early 2000s, it was slim pickings. You couldn't get much better than that. Unless you were a fan of nu-metal or post-grunge, which I suspect you were. But I wouldn't call that "better" at all. That stuff was awful.

    • @muldoon67
      @muldoon67 6 років тому +1

      Woah cowboy. ELO made some great songs.

    • @bobbywizdum5248
      @bobbywizdum5248 6 років тому

      @Kevin L whats the top 40 of 2017-18? It wont be pretty

  • @UrielX1212
    @UrielX1212 4 роки тому +2

    Overproduction and the ease of digital manipulation of music has killed the entire industry. There are still great bands but they are not in the mainstream and they do require alot of effort to discover. The music industry has went the way of the movie industry and general entertainment in general.

  • @primoroy
    @primoroy 8 років тому +4

    I find myself not liking what is currently popular but rediscovering gems years or decades later. I did not like the Beatles in the 60s but love some of their songs now. I agree that each year yields thousands of garbage releases. I have the luxury of a 60+ years to pick and chose MY best favorites.

  • @teleaddict23
    @teleaddict23 7 років тому +2

    Even the not so good songs of yesteryear are 10 times better than the songs in the charts today.

  • @dperry913MusicTracks
    @dperry913MusicTracks 7 років тому +13

    Q: "Can something be called music if no musicians were involved in its creation?"
    A: No, but it can be called EDM.

    • @dperry913MusicTracks
      @dperry913MusicTracks 7 років тому +2

      Mainstream.

    • @MiniZilla1999
      @MiniZilla1999 6 років тому +3

      lol yeah, I forgot that producers just press a button and don't have to work hours and hours composing, mixing, finding sounds etc. yeah, ok.

    • @bobbywizdum5248
      @bobbywizdum5248 6 років тому

      @@MiniZilla1999 they really dont. Many beats are made in 5 minutes.

  • @Artsartisan
    @Artsartisan 8 років тому

    I recall a piece of trivia concerning Bach for his music was nearly lost and forgotten. Reams of his work were lost before one man discovered some of his sheet music which was used to wrap fish in the market.
    I recall that one “art authority” spoke of Rembrandt’s paintings as mud spattered on canvas.

  • @lemonlimelukey
    @lemonlimelukey 8 років тому +12

    people arent getting stupider, only teens

    • @noahmcgaffey797
      @noahmcgaffey797 7 років тому

      Ironic Frowning Emoji 😃
      Because I partially agree with you but am myself a teenager

    • @Lightguardian_HOH
      @Lightguardian_HOH 5 років тому

      @Marco Paez Then how come your using it?

  • @DanielBergonzoni
    @DanielBergonzoni 6 років тому

    Loved hearing your rant. I disagree with some of the music you consider not good, but we all have our preferences. I’m on the fence: is it ‘crap’ music if it’s mass produced?

  • @Jackc8201
    @Jackc8201 8 років тому +4

    Well, music made by non-musicians is like paintings made by non-painters. If the output of a high school art class is all you've ever seen, you think that stuff is pretty good. And it bears various surface similarities to the older works - same size, same type of paints used, same subject matter etc. Therefore, we can conclude that little Brianna's art assignment is truly comparable to the works of Rembrandt and Picasso.

    • @DVSPress
      @DVSPress  8 років тому +3

      +Mississippi Blues I don't disagree with your assessment, but I'm going give a slightly different analogy. Imagine you have a robot or a piece of software that will paint for you. You tell the robot what parts of older paintings you would like it to contain, then the robot creates the art. You put your name on it because it was you who operated the software. No art involved. That's similar to what a lot of current hip-hop "artists" do these days to create their backing music.

    • @Jackc8201
      @Jackc8201 8 років тому +3

      +David Stewart Oh yeah, totally agree with you. It wasn't all that long ago when rap was just recycling every '80s pop song ever recorded, with all the kids giving the rappers full credit for having created it all in the first place.

  • @Gregor7677
    @Gregor7677 6 років тому

    Good article! I’ll have to look for more of your stuff.

  • @robertjermantowicz7487
    @robertjermantowicz7487 8 років тому +19

    "Music is just noise" - Frank Zappa

  • @TimmyMayMusic
    @TimmyMayMusic 7 років тому

    Hey David, I found this video after checking out your flamenco technique videos. You're the first youtuber I've seen who's a virtuoso guitarist, who also has many interesting general commentary videos. I've been developing my flamenco skills for many years now but I started in the worlds of rock and folk. Your description of how most music students believe they can become musicians or composers without investing any sweat or mental energy is priceless. (One point of correction, after having read almost all the comments below to see someone else didn't mention it...The Beatles played for 2 years in Hamburg, not Munich.) I have subscribed to your channel and I look forward to interesting things in the future. (I have a music channel too.)

    • @DVSPress
      @DVSPress  7 років тому

      Thanks! Sorry about getting the wrong German city!

  • @metalgrinch
    @metalgrinch 7 років тому +3

    All forms of art started on the decline after about 1997, and after 2005 it COMPLETELY shot down the toilet. Not so much about time signatures or complexity. It has way more to do with good old fashioned INTEGRITY. Art has no more INTEGRITY, and every studio and "artist" is only out for the almighty dollar. Sure, some crap existed always, but at least it was EXPERIMENTAL crap. It tried to do something, even if it didn't work. Now it's all about selling out to stay relevant, corporately or even politically. Music, film, TV and even modern sculptural art have become a laughing stock.

    • @Olivia-W
      @Olivia-W 6 років тому +1

      SergeTheBlerge No. No, some corporations went down the drain (or were shit to begin with), but there are others that do try to maintain integrity.

  • @shumailkhan7205
    @shumailkhan7205 6 років тому +1

    But i was born in 1999 and didnt grow up listening to the old music. I can still easily tell that most of todays music is crap

  • @Materva-hv6sz
    @Materva-hv6sz 8 років тому +6

    Good topic. I think most commercially successful music thats any good falls in the alternative, adult alternative or adult contemporary charts on Billboard. Not saying that most of that music is good,, but if its good thats where it tends to get categorized. The mainstream billboard chart is almost exclusively hip hop, (hip hop inflected) r&B and house based EDM. The only exceptions I can think of in recent years is some of the girl pop made by Katy Perry, Lady Gaga and Taylor Swift. What used to be considered "urban music" is now the mainstream music in the United States

    • @realmichaud
      @realmichaud 6 років тому

      Katy Perrys 2011 album was good. But something happened in 2013.

  • @Schisma.
    @Schisma. 8 років тому +1

    As someone who is actively listening to new music coming out (a few new full length albums a week at the very least) i've found that this attitude has yet to hit me. Even though I shovel through just as much shit as ever, i'm also still struggling not to overflow my year end lists. By that measure, I propose that once people stop digesting as much music as they did when they were marinading in youth they tend to stunt their growth with new new styles that are out there.

  • @MarcusyesMarcus
    @MarcusyesMarcus 8 років тому +8

    I'd like to bring up some points you forgot or completely left out. First of I would just point out that you kind of got yourself trapped in your own cage by cherrypicking and decide yourself what is and what isn't good music. So how can one biased opinion discern and objectively speak about what is good and what is bad? Second of all your whole speak about "classical" music is kinda cliched by giving us a lesson of classical music and its complexity. I've heard that argument thousands of times already. Baroque music isn't somehow objectively superior to all other music. Complexity isn't the only factor to determine such a thing. So what is it? You talk about two things: Novelty and Originality. There's lots of original music out there but does that mean its good? Not really. I'd argue that time signature and melodic/harmonic variation and good mastering is the essential ingredients to good music. A memorable melody is maybe one of the most difficult things to come up with. If you put that melody into the right context you have good music.
    I rather listen to David Wise masterpiece from Donkey Kong Country (snes) "Aquatic Ambience" than a "complex" piece by Handel or Bach. Less is more. What modern pop music is missing is memorable melodies and chord progression. They miss that third thing called "magic" which is the third thing after originaly and novelty. Loudness wars and the dumbing down of pop music is to blame aswell.

    • @thomasanderson2664
      @thomasanderson2664 6 років тому

      Metal is really good right now if you know where to look

  • @Equinox2021
    @Equinox2021 7 років тому +1

    I'd like to start off saying I appreciate where you're coming and agree that we all have a bias towards things we are familiar with. I often hear a lot of criticism regarding modern music for not having real musicians being featured in tracks and that the music production featured in most of modern music requires no talent. I can tell you as a musician originally coming from the metal scene where I was sponsored by guitar companies and later moving to electronically driven music, they both required immense skill and dedication . Rock, metal and pop music from the 80s and 90s (and before) have such an amazing quality to them and as listeners we have come to appreciate the artists talent to play parts, construct great progressions and memorable melodies. What I've noticed when fans of music from those decades hear a lot of modern music are complaints for how simple the progressions are or how the music requires no real talent to make. I've often seen guitarists online play modern pop songs basically clowning on the songs to show the simplicity. But the skill set required to make modern sounding music is less about crazy progression and scales and more about sound design, which is an entirely different skill and one that isn't widely recognized by the public. A lot of people hear a synth or bass line in Deadmau5 song (for example) and think how simple the progression is and that the computer is doing all the work. When in reality Joel (Deadmau5) probably spent hours or sometimes days creating the sound of one of the synths from a simple wave form. There is no doubt a huge shift happening right now from modern music and the great music from the 60s,70s, 80s, 90s, 00s but there is a lot of skill to appreciate from electronic production. Any one who doubts that I encourage to get a DAW and some VST'S and try recreating some electronic songs. I'll stress again that it's less about recreating the notes and more about recreating the sound of the synths or the tightness of the drum mix. I will also add that I am not the biggest fan of modern radio pop music, just wanted to give a different perspective to people. If you're looking for some innovative modern guitar music check out Animals As Leader or CHON also if you're looking for modern pop music that isn't garbage check out Great Good Fine OK, Penguin Prison and Miami Horror to name a few.

  • @ThePuertoricanBeastJonathan
    @ThePuertoricanBeastJonathan 8 років тому +4

    most radio music sucks if not all, in 2016 there was a lot of great music mostly metal, rock and prog

  • @BionicDance
    @BionicDance 6 років тому +1

    I really don't think the comparison of old repetitive and today's repetitive is really fair.
    Sure, older songs would do, like, the same chorus, and everything in between was the same tune if not the same lyrics.
    But _today..._ if I were to complain about the repetitive nature of today's music, what I mean is the constant "oontz oontz oontz", where there is barely even a tune at all, it's just bass and drums pounding on you for several minutes. That's a rather different kind of repetitive.

  • @WiserInTime
    @WiserInTime 8 років тому +5

    I saw the title of this video and I just wanted to scream, "YES! The answer is YES!"
    There are always exceptions...main stream music sucks but there are great obscure musicians. ...Now I'll actually watch the video.
    ;-p

  • @callhoonrepublican
    @callhoonrepublican 7 років тому

    Do you recommend any post romantic composers? I googled, and I didn't come up with much.

  • @RhettRobin
    @RhettRobin 7 років тому +4

    I walked into a store that was playing pop music today and i literally wanted to rip my ears out i would rather listen to a chalkboard getting scraped than that stupid techno "Music" thats aparently so good. I love 70s rock like carry on wayward son and killer queen and so much more it just goes to show people threw their instruments out and started singing for money instead of for entertainment

  • @Mectojic
    @Mectojic 8 років тому

    Hey David, I recently engaged in a lecture about this. We brought up the idea of timelessness - pieces in music which seem to endure forever. I believe timelessness is possible, but only so when some level of complexity is achieved. For example, Mozart and Beethoven are timeless because of how their music is both accessible and complex. In a modern setting, there are less examples of these, but I could name Bohemian Rhapsody, Jesus Christ Superstar or some of the 1920s jazz numbers. What are your thoughts on this?

    • @DVSPress
      @DVSPress  8 років тому

      +Mectojic I wouldn't disagree on that assessment. I think you have to have a combination of originality (or novelty) and quality or depth for a piece of music to have staying power. I think _Symphonie Fantastique_ is a great example of this combination. It has the novelty aspect that gained it attention in its time (the whole programatic symphony idea, plus it's rather controversial content) plus it has a great deal of musical depth that keeps it interesting long past its time.
      Now, a broader and perhaps more accurate view is to say that timeless music is effective beyond its style. That's a little harder to describe in a few words, but every period and place has its stylistic elements that familiar and considered necessary when constructing music. "Timeless" music transcends these idioms to remain effective to those who are not intimately familiar with them. Bach's "toccata and fugue in D minor" remains as moody and powerful today, long past the time when the average person had a deep familiarity with counterpoint and dissonant organ styles. Music is different from literature in this regard - the language of music is natural and in-built, since our perception of music is merely an understanding of mathmatical relationships in sound. Literature has a harder time being timeless because it is built upon idioms and removed semiology in the form of language.

  • @ToM872K7
    @ToM872K7 8 років тому +7

    Are you implying there is anything "deep" about Led Zeppelin?

    • @DVSPress
      @DVSPress  8 років тому +4

      +BLKKK SKKKN HEAD Uh oh, we got a cynic here.
      But in seriousness... compared to what? Compared to "I wanna hold your hand"? Yeah, Zep is deep.

    • @ToM872K7
      @ToM872K7 8 років тому +1

      I'm gonna give you every inch of my love

  • @Tbonyandsteak
    @Tbonyandsteak 6 років тому

    I use a different approach.
    What is the justification of the music?
    Greed, desire, anger, just make a song?
    That alone makes most music trash
    What I like is there something to be learned in the lyric?
    An experience that is overcome and a wisdom attained?
    Does it have a genuine message?

  • @BigTArmada
    @BigTArmada 8 років тому +3

    Liked for liberal use of air quotes while referring to pop culture

  • @laserduchamp8071
    @laserduchamp8071 7 років тому

    Do you make music yourself? I'd love to hear it. I used to write/record lots of songs but slid away with time.

  • @aburrito4973
    @aburrito4973 8 років тому +6

    I mostly agree that 90's music was the best so far. Rap was on top, rock was fresh with alt, the whole image was fun.

    • @DVSPress
      @DVSPress  8 років тому

      What's your favorite band?

    • @aburrito4973
      @aburrito4973 8 років тому

      Probably ACDC

    • @tylersingleton9284
      @tylersingleton9284 6 років тому

      TheGameRage1 na man. When you can swith the station a get slim shady on one channel and nirvana on another that is a good time.

    • @jpoulter8845
      @jpoulter8845 6 років тому

      What are you smoking, the 90s was the catalyst for why we have all the godawful shit today (nu, core, modern rap, indie, britpop, POP, edm, electropop etc)! The 70s and 80s musical landscape was so much better, plenty of genres got on the pop charts, music was still evolving, the charts was inclusive (hate the word but it was true at the time) in the sense that they didn't try to target one specific audience with complete samey garbage. Sure ok the 90s had SOME good stuff but it was a transitional decade in a very bad way.

    • @bobbywizdum5248
      @bobbywizdum5248 6 років тому

      @@jpoulter8845 90s was the start but not the death. The end of the mix stations in the early 90s truely was the beginning of demographic promotion and separtion though.

  • @Tony_Regime
    @Tony_Regime 6 років тому

    the problem isn't the artists who record the songs, it is the companies who hold their contracts and tell them what to sing.
    they use sequencers and samples for the music so the backing track is easy to record.
    very few singers in mainstream music get to sing their own songs or have artistic freedom.
    music is now an industry instead of an art form. the major labels turn out the audio equivalent of fast food, snacks and sweets/candy. it isn't meant to last.
    this started in the 40's and 50's when people noticed that there was a lot of money to be made from selling recorded music and has gotten worse as the industry has grown.

  • @retrocar7761
    @retrocar7761 6 років тому +9

    Modern music is just Crap.

  • @LuxMeow
    @LuxMeow 6 років тому

    My brain is the opposite, bad things tend to stick out more and I better remember as a survival tactic. So I'm guessing there are others like myself. I thought it had something to do with genre and lyrics. What do you think about the the differences between 432 Hz and 440 Hz...and these types of changes in regards to frequency in general music?

  • @BallJuiceOfZeus
    @BallJuiceOfZeus 8 років тому +43

    As a progressive liberal I have to say that I found your video offensive, your language was triggering, and now I have post traumatic stress disorder, thanks.

    • @johnmcternan4157
      @johnmcternan4157 8 років тому +7

      +fantana
      Send us your details and we'll set up a safe zone around your residence. No we can't move you ours, it's too dangerous.

    • @BallJuiceOfZeus
      @BallJuiceOfZeus 8 років тому +5

      I would like my safe zone to be inside another safe zone

    • @DVSPress
      @DVSPress  8 років тому +23

      +fantana I find the word trigger triggering, because guns have triggers and I heard once of somebody who was shot by one.

    • @AnEvolvingApe
      @AnEvolvingApe 8 років тому +3

      +fantana Rather that's a "regressive" liberal.

    • @BallJuiceOfZeus
      @BallJuiceOfZeus 8 років тому +4

      An Evolving Ape please don't refer to me as 'fantana' that is just a name assigned to me, my preferred UA-cam pronoun is Sir Mrs Bruce jennerfer

  • @ieatorbs
    @ieatorbs 8 років тому +1

    I love how you have a lamp shade hanging over your lava lamp.

    • @DVSPress
      @DVSPress  8 років тому +1

      I lost the little top piece, so...

  • @NotOrdinaryInGames
    @NotOrdinaryInGames 8 років тому +16

    The Beatles are like Jesus; if you criticize them, you go to Hell.

    • @davidbrown470
      @davidbrown470 7 років тому +1

      think id rather go to hell then if the beatles will be there, seems to be where all the interesting people will end up.

    • @officialclownbusiness7788
      @officialclownbusiness7788 7 років тому

      metamorphosis743 my dick is bigger than Jesus'. do something, bitch.

    • @user-po5bi6jb9g
      @user-po5bi6jb9g 7 років тому +2

      The late Beatles stuff was good, the early stuff was cheesy

  • @donniedarkestra7771
    @donniedarkestra7771 8 років тому +1

    There has always been terrible music and terrible musicians but now it's easier and cheaper to make and distribute music. That creates the illusion that it's getting worse but now we have to filter through it where labels used to.

  • @MazeBeans
    @MazeBeans 7 років тому +4

    teenagers.
    y

  • @bizman7485
    @bizman7485 7 років тому +4

    But now... I can't be successful in the genre of music I want to play... Cause its just dying.... Like... Listen to the temperance movement..... On Google they had the best rock song of 2016.... And its soooo unknown.... This is just sad...lol

  • @bk4698
    @bk4698 8 років тому +6

    Punk,screamo,metal,rock,pop punk,etc. is way better than pop shit, u can hear an actual message and it's just better in all ways

    • @bk4698
      @bk4698 8 років тому +1

      Wow calling me emo, sooooo original

    • @bk4698
      @bk4698 8 років тому +1

      How r they pop

    • @bk4698
      @bk4698 8 років тому +1

      As pop I ment the style of music that most requires auto toon, no instruments, and most have ridiculous lyrics

    • @elk3407
      @elk3407 7 років тому

      B K But screamo is emo.
      And I mean emo as in emotive hardcore (what it meant originally), not these mall goth scene kids who think pretending to want to kill themselves is cool. Although many people call non screamo bands screamo. If you think bands like BMTH, AA, OMAM, BVB, PTV and ADTR are screamo, then I'm sorry, but you are wrong... go listen to pg.99 or the saddest landscape.

  • @jhonwask
    @jhonwask 6 років тому +1

    You skipped over "To Sir, With Love." That is a provocative song about growing up. "The Way We Were" is about memories of all the good things of a relationship. Just forget that Babs sang it.