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The Loom as a McGuffin was weak, and the explanation (it’s a failsafe) felt forced and lame. They hinted many things (OB’s memory was not erased, OB’s lab’s look = TVA lab’s look, Loki’s time slipping was fixed and then not fixed, Victor Timely = future Quantumania Kang or not , etc.) which they left haning w/o explaining or carrying forward.
@@briancook7696woa, wtf do u mean? It was pretty good imo. Sure victor’s next choices are questionable, but I think it’s still good. One of the better ones in the new saga
What made this show different from other Marvel shows is that how Loki struggled to do things right but couldn't succeed. It was not about winning from a bad guy or something, it was just his struggle that, in the end, he couldn't overcome. He did absolutely everything that he could but still couldn't change anything and had to accept the thing in order to do the greater good. He just sacrificed himself to let others live. Great character development.
She did an amazing job with Loki. But she also mangled Kenobi. You need the right composer for the right show. Natalie is brilliant with strings & building tension. She’s also a chaos goblin in her own right-Just ask Simon Cowell. Or you can Google her name and “Big Fat Quiz 2013.” It’s worth it. ❤️❤️❤️ Sometimes you need a Natalie Hole. Sometimes you need Zimmer or Williams. It all depends.
On the contrary, you normies need to learn about the sheer amount of content the MCU will have to put out, for the fans, one way or another, ans then stop acting like you know anything about anything.
Spoilers: Great ending but more depressing the more I think about it. I really just wanna see him with Thor one more time. It’d be a mistake to let Majors go completely too.
I love season 2, I just wish it was almost as long as Andor. The 6 episode season structure makes it hard for the directors and script writers to pace the show and put character development when it is needed.
See, you're literally a no one, and you think you know so much better. First off, no one cares. We fans just want you normies to shut up already, there's way too much content for the MCU and MCM to get through for it to stop and stumble every few entries due to normies being lame, it's just not practical. Shut up, sit back, and either consume or don't consume, but if you choose to not like it that's your choice, don't force it on others.
The ending was something I can't express with words, maybe its not a masterpiece but still it has immortalized its presence in my heart until the judgement day I have watched Loki Season 2 - 12 times now
I could see why Loki wouldn't appeal to some peopole, but most are hating it simply because it's a Disney product. And whilst I don't like what Disney did to the MCU and Star Wars, I'm glad I didn't miss Loki simply because of who wrote it, or what studio produced it.
That’s happening more and more dude. Liking something on it’s own merit almost doesn’t exist anymore. You like this, you’re a shill; You hate that, you’re just a hater…
The only MCU product I didn't tune out because it had me from the first episode and yeah I hate the fact that in the first season he took a back seat to a female Loki variant but season 2 Is all about him and I hate that it only got 6 episodes because a few threads were left unfinished.
It's Frigga's description of Loki's character from the Dark World that echoes his journey in the series. In mastering his 'blipping', we visit Loki, imprisoned by TVA, describing them exactly as they are: an elaborate Illusion to maintain control. I really enjoyed this show. A pity there aren't many like it produced by Disney.
Late to the party but another brilliant video @movieoverload I wonder if the brilliant production of the Loki series, particularly season 2, had anything to do with the fact that Tom Hiddleston was an executive producer. Apart from the combined effort of a team of creative and technical designers, sometimes when an actor wants to contribute behind the scenes aside from acting demonstrates the level of commitment Hiddleston wanted to give Loki the showcase of not only character growth but also cinematic dimensions in storytelling and world building. I could even recommend the Loki series to anyone who has not watched much Marvel content. This stand alone series has been glorious treat to watch. Well done to everyone who worked on the series!!
The story, characters, Dr Who moments, like everything just /chefs kiss The other day i watched an youtube vid about 'Automat', they went out of business but they where popular back in the day. They have an Automat food dispensaryin the MCU, its the little details that really breathes live in the scenes and then.. there is the story and thats carried by great performance, and then everything else.
I agree that the Loki series isn't a masterpiece but, I think for a different reason. Because even for a filler scenes or episodes it shows that time is really important and they wasted it in the first time. Its also the reason why I think Loki in 6 episode format makes sense
Gosh! What happened to our capacity to understand stories? My mom also said like "you need to pay attention because it's difficult" but I really thought it was easy enough. I wasn't expecting any different from the show's concept as established in the first season.
I find it super hypocritical that with GOTG3 people said “Marvel didn’t make a good movie James Gunn did.” So by that logic everyone who liked Loki S2 shouldn’t be saying Marvel made a good show. They should be saying “Marvel didn’t made a good season of TV Eric Martin did.” And yet I have not heard a single soul say that.
While Loki s2 saved Marvel, The Marvels ruined it again. It’s like a pattern. But more bad than good. Anyways, apart from that, Loki s2 was great, one of the better stuff, Loki is one of my top five favorite Marvel characters. Imma rate the season a 9/10. Victor’s next choices are questionable, but overall, good season 👍 Honestly cannot decide which season is better s1 or s2 bc they’re both good. Better than pretty much most of the Multiverse saga projects, only bc of Tom Hiddleston himself, who is perfect as Loki.
Isn't funny how 2023 turned out? Ant-Man 3-th end of the MCU Guardians 3-the savior of the MCU Secret Invasion-the end of the MCU Loki Season 2- the savior of the MCU The Marvels-the end of the MCU What if season 2- the savior of the MCU I can only imagine how 2024 is Echo-the Savior of the MCU Deadpool 3- the MCU is saved Agatha: Darkhold Diaries-the end of the MCU lol and so on and so on
I think it's the best stuff they could do to save this MCU. Finally, REAL writers, a beautiful, inspired setting (retro-scifi lover's delight), great soundtrack, great actor performance... yes, many problems, particularly in the use of powers (as ever) and some episode's timing, but the emotional power and the quality of the script make me forgive that. I'm not sure if hoping for a 3rd season: the conclusion was sad, but extremely coherent and satisfying, with things closing in a symbolic circle; it would be a pity to ruin everything just for profict. I wish they really learned.
Loki S2, Andor and Moon Knight is my strong top 3 shows of D+. and Ahsoka is a very strong contender for it, and if not, 4 shows to msut watch on D+. and you're right, they're(it's) very good. they're(it's) not perfect, with "nitpicky" mistakes to point on but good strong shows overall
Did you know that in the Old Norse religion of the Asa gods, Loki's parents are giants and so is Loki. He could transform into animals and once transformed into a mare who later gives birth to Odin's horse sleipner. So Loki is the Mother of Odins horse😂😂😂
If only we could all put great/best and everything else post-Endgame using the rose painted Marvel Studios logo above it all in the same sentence as well. Now that's a hill I'd happily die on. The MCU seemed untouchable during the Infinity era of the MCU until this new Multiverse era ensured it was no longer like that.
There was nothing ‘Marvel’ about it at all except for the word ‘Loki’ in the title because it *SURE* wasn’t the same character. I’m honestly surprised it’s even the same actor! 🤯
Well, at least we know you can't mistake things at least this good for being bad, but that doesn't really excuse your The Marvel's oof, which was definitely not Loki good, but was still pretty damn good. Fascinating discovery tbh.
I thought Loki Season 2 was more multiverse nonsense. It keeps using Loki contrary to his character. I still hate Sylvie, the variant. It’s just too down in the weeds with action that doesn’t matter. Variants are a stupid plot device as is TVA.
1. Thor (2011) 2. The Avengers (2012) 3. Thor: The Dark World (2013) 4. Thor: Ragnarok (2017) 5. Avengers: Infinity War (2018) 6. Avengers: Endgame (2019) P.s you can also watch Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015) if you want; Loki is not in it but since you're watching Avengers movies, you might as well watch that one too.
How so? It's not Disney+ but I'm pretty sure it is still part of the MCU. The plot takes place within the MCU (references to events and whatnot) even though it keeps itself at arms length from the main MCU material. @@movieoverload
@@movieoverload it's a licensed show produced under ABC studios, a Disney subsidiary, distributing by Netflix, and then carried over to Disney+ once the license expired in 2021.
This ‘new version’ of Loki is all over the place in terms of appearance and personality. One minute he’s a panting, pathetic mouse (S2E1) a badass (S2E2) a simp (Most of S1, S2E3), a blank passive piece of cardboard (S1E6, S2E4) and just ‘too human.’ I miss the smart ass, magic using fun and *MISCHIEVOUS* Loki! He can be a ‘hero’ and still retain *some* of his personality traits that we all loved from the movies. In S1E1 he was still identifiable as Loki but then he gradually just turned into a mix of ‘Tom/Loki pretending to be one or the other.’ It’s weird. Who’s fault is this? The writers? Directors? Producers? *TOM?!* He knows this character so well and spent so much time, effort and passion in crafting and playing him I don’t think he’d ‘want’ to ruin what he claimed to be part of his own ‘glorious purpose.’ I believe in his passion I do. But it didn’t show on-screen very much apart from a few of the emotional scenes. Otherwise he was boring. I *KNOW* he’s a good actor and we got a glimpse of the ‘real’ Loki in the opening of S2E2 but then they (Disney?) made him put the brakes on and change direction again. Don’t let them make Loki boring, Tom *PLEEEASE!* He was so cool. Let him be *COOL!* 😩😫
I get what you're saying. I absolutely loved Loki as a villain; he was witty, mischievous, and his arrogance was charming in a way. The traits that made me love him were somewhat lost during his character development in the series. I understand that the series wanted to explore the "what makes a Loki a Loki" thing by 1) totally removing him out of his element 2) introducing other versions of Loki as variants 3) and re-evaluating what his glorious purpose is. Don't get me wrong, I loved how Loki realized his wrongs, turned himself around, and ultimately sacrificed himself for his friends (I ugly cried during the finale). I understand why he acted differently in the series, but I missed some of his old personality that made me like him from the beginning. Now that Loki has reached full redemption (at least imo), I'd love to see a series/movie in the future where he's granted a second chance to actually live again and somehow not be stuck in Yggdrasil forever. I want more than anything to see Loki reunite with Thor, regain his mischievous and sassy self (of course without being evil), and don his ornate green/gold costumes like before. (Side note: I understand that his latest costume was supposed to be humble, but I wish it felt at least slightly more elaborate like his previous costumes now that he's reached god-tier mode).
Watched it and liked about half of the show but definitely slow and filler and slow...... If anyone finds Loki too challenging maybe they should stick to reality TV or something. It's definitely got slightly better SciFi themes and does some of the time travel themes well but it's not hard to follow. Try something great like Pantheon or Dark for some fun.
Loki, falcon and the Winter soldier, Hawkeye, moonknight. were all enjoyable enough for me to not to feel like they were Time-wasters. I wouldn’t say any of these are masterpieces but they were definitely decent enough to be enjoyed.
It’s currently hip to shit on everything that Marvel has done since Endgame, and I 99% agree with that assessment, but it has had some bright spots and Loki is one of them. I haven’t even had time to watch season 2 yet but I was really impressed by season 1. It’s one of the few new MCU projects that executes the Multiverse concept well, has likable characters that we have an emotional investment in, and leaves us wanting more. I’m looking forward to a nice binge watch this coming Thanksgiving weekend.
What assessment? With exception to 3 particular projects, Thor 4, She-Hulk, and MoM, every drop has been a straight banger from Marvel, from Moon Knight and Werewolf by Night to Ms. Marvel and The Marvels, absolute hit after hit. It's like you normies aren't even WATCHING the stuff, just skimming for stupid stuff to complain about. Stop complaining, be entertained dammit!!
I couldn’t recommend Loki season 1. It was slow and boring and made Loki out to be a bumbling idiot, and we have to castrate and emasculate all the male characters in order to make the female characters look cool by comparison, and then we have that awkward scene at the end of time with The One Who Was Fired, and then the show is over and I’m left feeling like my time has been thoroughly wasted. I could not recommend Loki season 2 ENOUGH. It was a SPECTACULAR comeback with great characters, character development, plot, and I was a big fan of the fact that the writers said “psych! There are actually severe world ending consequences to Silvy’s shenaniganery” and while her heart was in the right place, her resolution was the worst one she could’ve possibly come up with. The season even worked a lot better on a meta scale, the message effectively being that you can’t say something is bad, destroy it, and then have absolutely no plan on what you’re going to replace it with and allow everything to collapse in on itself and become a black hole of doom and disaster. Season 2 was a breath of fresh air that I was absolutely not expecting from anything marvel related, and I’m really glad I took the time to watch it rather than giving up on Loki after season 1.
idk what u are smokin, but basically the entire series, the entire season was sum up in last 10 mins of the show. hell, last 20 if u want to be generous. There was no point beyond that.
I’m glad you liked it I thought it was 5 out of 10 my fave was Ms. marvel surprisingly even though it’s pretty had I like it’s characters more than any other 😊
Hard to care about this while I'm watching the far superior marvel Netflix shows. Also season 1 sucked so dont wanna waste time with another crappy season.
Loki 2 was terrible. They undermined Kang, again, by making him a stuttering fool and even the original HWR only got where he did because of a strong woman of colour and a female AI. The time travelling dynamic was stupid, with circular connections.
U sure u watched the series? HE Who Remains knew how the finale was going to transpire when Loki took over the throne. He who remains quickly dispose of his female henchmen once he gotten where he was destined to be.
Marvels Superhero Fatigue ? hahaha what a joke ! Star Trek up and until Enterprise: +/- 700 individual Series and Movies. Thus about 30 Thousands Hours of Star Trek and then , yes maybe , is was a "fatigue" 30,000 Hours ! of Star Trek ! Marvels has barely 200 hours. Is not Fatigue, is: GARBAGE !
dude, the last Star Trek movie bombed on its 60th anniversary lol, followed by seemingly endless Star Trek projects under Paramount+, a Star Trek 4 has been stuck in development hell for nearly a decade
@@luismedrano6680 True, Yet, Star Trek bombed after thirty thousands hours of shows and movies... When since marvelita up and until today ALL movies and series of just about anything SF, is Garbage. With minor exceptions. Thus Marvel has not Fatigue but for past 5 years, is Garbage ! 200 hours of Garbage. Thus remember,, we still have 30.000 hours of untainted Star Trek and other many thousands of hours of high quality SF entertainment made Before this present darkness ... Loki next to 2004 BattleStar Galactica ?! Or next to Babylon 5 ?! Heresy ! Xmass
I thought the title was click bait. Everyone has an opinion I get that. But I don't know how anyone can like anything Disney has done since Endgame. If you're a fan of story telling, it's an impossibility. It's all shit. Loki's numbers are low for a reason.
That dude who hasn't watched the show and calls others opinions clickbait (when currently what gets the most views is shitting on Marvel lol). Loki's numbers are pretty high if you haven't informed yourself. It's also funny how you say it's subjective, yet you call it shit as it was objective and then doubt if other people that like storytelling actually like it. It's pathetic and petty how generic and dumb desperate haters can get.
On the contrary, I don't get how normies like you exist, if you watched everything from Iron Man to Endgame, nothing that has come out since Endgame should feel particularly bad, it's all good. See, but normies can't be expected to like someyhing for longer than the fad, and on their exit they tend to complain and ruin the IP the fad is around.
@@andresdanielemikr. This person is just looking for attention. Loki was great. Best thing they’ve done since endgame alongside guardians of the galaxy 3 and no way home too (even if NWH was solid character writing carrying a flawed plot with fan service at most) they’re the three best gems found in the rough phase 4 onwards.
I think he said Disney+ show. Is there one or more you think are better? Ms. Marvel, Secret Wars, Wandavision, She Hulk? Edit: I forgot The Bucky Falcon show…
@@alexmartin3143 none are better, they shove real world problems into a fictional tv shows and movies, when we are supposed be escape reality, that’s the okie of super hero movies and shows/comics, cause we don’t have aliens invading our world while super heroes are protecting
It picks up a good pace from episode 4, The first section of the series seem to me like Subplot, it only get's better starting the look main plot that involved getting Victor Timely
@@HaelinX I ended up binging S2 to see if it could stand up to the hype. It is mid at best. Worse than Wandavision. Only thing I liked about the show was Victor Timely's portrayal. Even that was just like how do you have an almost working pruning stick and still be a street rat? Also, Loki's powers go from time slipping to freezing time and then all the way up to being able to birth and give life to infinite timelines? That is such a huge leap and was just dumb. I still don't understand Kang's plan here with having Loki awaken his time powers. What was he trying to accomplish? He had everything with the TVA and the Sacred timeline. Plot is just too convoluted for its own good. Also Loki just happened to leave the torture machine in the cell and no one bothered to remove that machine while they left the prisoners alone in the cell? Like that is just insane. Or like Sylvie just doesn't kill Ravonna and instead strands her there just for her to comeback. The General's death would have been more meaningful if they gave her any character development. They should have killed off Casey or someone else from the gang to get us more emotionally involved. Show was 6/10.
This character has nothing to do with the Loki from Marvel comics. It's not even remotely the same character. Loki is not a hero and there is zero ambiguity about this in the source material.
I guess you haven't been reading the comics lately, he is a hero now and is no longer the trickster god anymore, he's the god of stories and is waaaaay more powerful than he's ever been.
I hated season 1 so much for how badly they treated Loki and him essentially playing second fiddle to a self-insert Mary-Sue. Since then, I've tuned out of Marvel.
Basically, you have shit taste, being a normie, and so it just wasn't for you, and rather than trying to change it for the worse, you admirably stepped away, as you're supposed to do, yes? At least one normie has the right idea
@@mockingjay4776 Season 1 was still called "Loki", not "Sylvie". Plus it's clear S1 was helmed by a feminist with ulterior motives and a need for personal validation for her life choices; integrity of the legacy characters be damned.
Sorry! Loki is nowhere near the character from the films! He's not the god of mischief any more, he's just a sad man now. I enjoyed when he couldn't be trusted. It was his character. I can't watch this crap any more! Seriously! He didn't experience a character arc, he just changed his mind over some pie 😅
Basically you're throwing a tantrum because they're exploring a different perspective of Loki instead of being repetitive. Funny how you're likely the one who then complains because characters act the same and don't have development yet you want Loki to be the same every time 💀. It's your opinion tho, so you do you ig.
@@andresdanielem There's no tantrum, I just don't like what they did with Loki. He is supposed to be powerful, mischievous, and clever. There was no character arc, they just showed him some stuff and he changed, and then they introduce his female self who he just fawns over the whole time.
@@macpj12j What the hell is a woke bot and why would you let one 'loose'?! Not every criticism has to be because of an agenda you know. I have legitimate concerns with the Loki character whom I liked in the films, but has now been neutered as if a switch was flicked.
@@BenDavies1977 i didnt say you are it feels like you are because what you are saying mostly doesnt makes sense and i dont do never do personality predictions but this i feel like you are woke or feminist who didnt like a good male character development that why you are talking bad about when it literally a good thing he wasnt even a goood villain he was just annoying tf with people .
Well, he was learning not to be so arrogant in season 1, but I did like the few moments of fun he had (like when he interrogated the guy alone) I also love that he used his magic way more than in any other MCU appearance in this one. I always missed the magical element in the movies. So in episode three when he goes all magic I went "finally!!" I do like him arrogant and mischievous, it might have been nice they kept some of that, the flair did come back a bit during the time loop, but yeah, they focused a lot on the redemption aspect, I guess.
Same! This ‘Loki’ (Noki) is just another character. Nothing ‘Loki’ about him. This show is slow, silly and drab af besides that! Nothing much ‘Marvel’ about it. There are some legitimately clever things in it but it didn’t do the character any favours for fans who liked him best in the films.
I WISH it was good but it made Loki a desperate clown unrelated to his own backstory, it didn't explore his character, but pushed the tell and not show that most Marvel projects suffer from. It said nothing about his relationship to Asgard, his real heritage and recent deal with Thanos, just made him go through the same worn out "Loki is bad, Loki sacrifices himself for atonement to prove he's changed," he's done it about four times now. The worst offence was the amount of sympathy it gives towards the TVA, a fascist organisation designed to do nothing but kill trillions for one sacred timeline because it's stopping the one baddie that runs the place. There's literal gas chambers in use and Mobius is a friendly murderer because he's played by Owen Wilson. Its bargaining to call it the best, trying to give something a token award because it was "attempting to tell a story" but it's sordid in isolation when compared to other meaningful stories out there, and its unconnected to the multiverse lore it sets up for Marvel as none of the projects can come together in agreement for what that is. If I had to go with one decent MCU show it would be Moon Knight since it's a stand alone series and it achieved the goal of telling a story of self acceptance it wanted to do from episode one.
... I mean, they literally speak about the TVA in the second season as you described it. They want to change it, but there are problems they need to tackle. I personally would have liked it if they explored different factions inside the TVA at the beginning of season 2.
@@Neropol14 How exactly can you change the TVA though, it's designed to kill people and strip freewill, that's always been its function. Why would anyone want to keep the namesake and try to defend it. Every single person within the TVA have held the belief that murdering for an infinite amount of time was a good thing. It would have been better to completely dismantle it and never allow that amount of unregulated power ever again. Instead the TVA gets glorified for its deeds of ending many universes to save basically just one and continue to hold power. None of the agents hold any true remorse for murder because the fantasy world building justifies it. Loki sacrifices himself for the TVA because they're his friends and magic gives an easy solution. The writing is determined to get us to side with the genocidal organisation and think they're more complicated, but we really shouldn't be doing that.
@@hazman5528To be fair, that Loki wanted to conquer New York and then the world. It’s a big change (I don’t remember how they explained it in the show though).
No, it's arguably the worst. It ruined everything we ever knew about the Mcu in its first episode. What a terrible show. I enjoyed it, but that doesn't make it good at all.
@andresdanielem They established the fact that every single Mcu movie was forced to happen by some crazy dude from the future. Every decision, every action taken by any character before this show can be excused by the quote "there is no free will?" This is the laziest way to fix all plot holes from the past movies I've ever seen.
@briancook7696 It is never established for sure that free will was completely unexistent. We also do see the lie behind the time keepers in season 1. HWR did pave the way for Loki indeed (which was in order for him to find a replacement for himself), but it is never indicated that he did edit everything to his will (maybe some events). He served more as a watcher who makes sure his variants don't come back to start another war. The same argument can be made for infinity war when Dr. Strange saw the future they win, and then it says it was supposed to happen that way, it serves to excuse every plot hole/ inconsistency in Endgame.
@andresdanielem It was established that he ordered the TVA to keep the timelines in check. That alone means he made everyone do everything he wanted them to do. There's no way out of this. The result is the same. There was no free will. Endgame was a bad movie, too 😂
The MCUs worst movie is a toss between Thor 2 and Antman 2. The Marvels, while not a great movie it was still fun, succinct, complete within the MCU. Loki has a greater depth of sophisticated story telling. This is where the MCU storytelling should be heading.
Thor 2 is a *MASTERPIECE* compared to the other modern Disney-Marvel crap! Including this show. What ‘story-telling’ are you talking about? The writers expect the audience to fill in the gaps and play guessing games!
Saying that it's the best MCU show is not saying much lmao it's pretty bad. I can't even get through the first episode, it's really boring and something about Loki being the hero is really weird. They didn't really give a decent enough character arc for him to suddenly be all out a nice normal guy. I watched some of the final episode and it also did a bad job in pulling me in. The Marvel universe needs to be put down for a long time before revisiting, there are great stories that already exist in the comic universe but for some reason Disney cannot just refuses to make faithful retellings of already loved stories. Loki as a show is fine if you're sick at home and can't be bothered to find something better to watch, besides that it's rough to sit through.
"Loki being the hero is really weird" he played the "hero" role in Thor the Dark World in avenging his mother's death at Malekith's hands, in Thor Ragnarök, he helped Thor in leaving Sakar and defeating Hela by reviving Surtr, and of course in Infinity War, Loki sacrifice to save Thor from Thanos and the Black Order
With exception to 3 particular projects, Thor 4, She-Hulk, and MoM, every drop has been a straight banger from Marvel, from Moon Knight and Werewolf by Night to Ms. Marvel and The Marvels, absolute hit after hit. It's like you normies aren't even WATCHING the stuff, just skimming it for stupid stuff to complain about. Stop complaining, be entertained dammit!!
@@jamescarr1265 i found one who follows an echo chamber of his own making lol, you are occupying a space reserved for entertainment aka youtube, owned by Google, itself owned by Alphabet lol
It's funny how you don't present any arguments nor substance yet people are suppose to take you seriously. Forget your childish hatred and bias towards Disney for a moment and try to use objectivity.
dude, u should what WB did to DC, Harry Potter, etc. or Paramount to Star Trek, Transformers, GI Joe, TMNT, etc. or Sony with their non Spider-Man Marvel movies like Venom, Morbius, etc
Loki is the second best for sure. Falcon/WS is by far the best Disnazi+ show, tho. It's criminally underrated, but everyone sucks the WS movies dick. It's literally that, but a show, with a better villain. Y'all crazy.
I like falcon and winter soldier too. Very underrated but still big with flaws I think. And I definitely would say Loki is better imo. But falcon and winter soldier I would put second best it was definitely better than Wandavision and Hawkeye which were the only either two decent shows they made. The rest has mostly been mid/shit completely
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Amazing. Both of Odin's sons, Thor and Loki had claimed their own throne.
It was terribly written, and it's arguably the worst MCU Show. No where near the best. Every single one is terrible.
The Loom as a McGuffin was weak, and the explanation (it’s a failsafe) felt forced and lame. They hinted many things (OB’s memory was not erased, OB’s lab’s look = TVA lab’s look, Loki’s time slipping was fixed and then not fixed, Victor Timely = future Quantumania Kang or not , etc.) which they left haning w/o explaining or carrying forward.
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@@briancook7696woa, wtf do u mean? It was pretty good imo. Sure victor’s next choices are questionable, but I think it’s still good. One of the better ones in the new saga
What made this show different from other Marvel shows is that how Loki struggled to do things right but couldn't succeed. It was not about winning from a bad guy or something, it was just his struggle that, in the end, he couldn't overcome. He did absolutely everything that he could but still couldn't change anything and had to accept the thing in order to do the greater good. He just sacrificed himself to let others live.
Great character development.
Loki actually felt like a tv show unlike the other mcu Disney plus projects. The writing and acting was on a different level
Also WandaVision, these two are the only shows that actually feels like a show.
There was also actually good cinematography. The show looked great
@@kentt3813WandaVision had a good concept but it fell apart bigly…
The Writing for both of the Loki Season was so tight - so fucking amazing.
@@grahamstrouse1165 the ride to the finale was what was so rewarding, not the destination
The ending made me emotional in ways I can’t even explain. Beautiful
the ending was for you, for all of us.
Whatever they do,they better get Natalie Holt to score the next Avengers movie because the score SLAP HARD,especially the last episode.
She did an amazing job with Loki. But she also mangled Kenobi. You need the right composer for the right show. Natalie is brilliant with strings & building tension. She’s also a chaos goblin in her own right-Just ask Simon Cowell. Or you can Google her name and “Big Fat Quiz 2013.” It’s worth it. ❤️❤️❤️
Sometimes you need a Natalie Hole. Sometimes you need Zimmer or Williams. It all depends.
The current MCU needs to learn a thing or two from Loki's second season.
On the contrary, you normies need to learn about the sheer amount of content the MCU will have to put out, for the fans, one way or another, ans then stop acting like you know anything about anything.
they kinda are when they are having the loki team work on Daredevil Born Again and Avengers Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars
@@lexruptorNormies this and that. Dude we get it, you arw a nerd smh 🤦🏽♂️
Spoilers: Great ending but more depressing the more I think about it. I really just wanna see him with Thor one more time. It’d be a mistake to let Majors go completely too.
I agree a little bit. But on the other hand, I liked that it's depressing. That way we can truly feel the weight of Loki's sacrifice.
Well, the plot of Secret Wars is the destruction of the multiverse, so Loki will inevitably be released at some point.
I love season 2, I just wish it was almost as long as Andor. The 6 episode season structure makes it hard for the directors and script writers to pace the show and put character development when it is needed.
I wish the first season had 10 episodes & the second 8.
@grahamstrouse116 I will never understand how you think that way, but I respect it.
Loki needs to rewrite the MCU after Endgame. Lol
See, you're literally a no one, and you think you know so much better. First off, no one cares. We fans just want you normies to shut up already, there's way too much content for the MCU and MCM to get through for it to stop and stumble every few entries due to normies being lame, it's just not practical. Shut up, sit back, and either consume or don't consume, but if you choose to not like it that's your choice, don't force it on others.
😂😂😂
Agree! T_T I wish Thor love an thunder never happened. T_T
Tom *SHOULD!* He’s a huge Marvel geek!
The ending was something I can't express with words, maybe its not a masterpiece but still it has immortalized its presence in my heart until the judgement day
I have watched Loki Season 2 - 12 times now
Loki: Bold narrative development to overall MCU
All other movies: best we can do are cameos and post credit scenes.
You didn't like the narrative development of Wandavision? Werewolf by Nigh? Moon Knight? Hawkeye?
@@luismedrano6680 keyword there is MCU narrative. I did like all of those shows u mentioned though.
I could see why Loki wouldn't appeal to some peopole, but most are hating it simply because it's a Disney product. And whilst I don't like what Disney did to the MCU and Star Wars, I'm glad I didn't miss Loki simply because of who wrote it, or what studio produced it.
That’s happening more and more dude. Liking something on it’s own merit almost doesn’t exist anymore. You like this, you’re a shill; You hate that, you’re just a hater…
@@vb2806Yes. Disney destroyed everything that made Loki a *GREAT* and unique character! 😭
Loki and Tony Stark started at the same place and arrived at the same place. Absolute legends... Love them both!
The only MCU product I didn't tune out because it had me from the first episode and yeah I hate the fact that in the first season he took a back seat to a female Loki variant but season 2 Is all about him and I hate that it only got 6 episodes because a few threads were left unfinished.
Yeah. Now I can tolerate him being on the backseat in S1, because it set up his return to absolute badassness.
1:04 Season 1 has most or arguably all of these and is really underrated. The 2 flow together really well.
loki had great character development
It's Frigga's description of Loki's character from the Dark World that echoes his journey in the series. In mastering his 'blipping', we visit Loki, imprisoned by TVA, describing them exactly as they are: an elaborate Illusion to maintain control. I really enjoyed this show. A pity there aren't many like it produced by Disney.
Late to the party but another brilliant video @movieoverload
I wonder if the brilliant production of the Loki series, particularly season 2, had anything to do with the fact that Tom Hiddleston was an executive producer. Apart from the combined effort of a team of creative and technical designers, sometimes when an actor wants to contribute behind the scenes aside from acting demonstrates the level of commitment Hiddleston wanted to give Loki the showcase of not only character growth but also cinematic dimensions in storytelling and world building. I could even recommend the Loki series to anyone who has not watched much Marvel content. This stand alone series has been glorious treat to watch. Well done to everyone who worked on the series!!
I love loki so much but I hope agent of shield gets the screen light just once cuz it is a really good show
I think Sylvie overstayed her welcome. Esp at the later parts of the season 2, she's just... there.
The finale of this show really makes that Thanos line hit harder
“Dread it, run from it, destiny arrives all the same.”
i was surprised when it when so hard back, to back, to back
The story, characters, Dr Who moments, like everything just /chefs kiss
The other day i watched an youtube vid about 'Automat', they went out of business but they where popular back in the day. They have an Automat food dispensaryin the MCU, its the little details that really breathes live in the scenes and then.. there is the story and thats carried by great performance, and then everything else.
I always thought the cinematography felt very Wes Anderson
It was almost a hybrid of Wes Anderson and Mike Flanagan. Absolutely dug it.
@@movieoverloadTom is going to be in a Stephen King movie directed by Mike Flannagan which has multiversal and time travel themes: The Life of Chuck
I agree that the Loki series isn't a masterpiece but, I think for a different reason. Because even for a filler scenes or episodes it shows that time is really important and they wasted it in the first time. Its also the reason why I think Loki in 6 episode format makes sense
Gosh! What happened to our capacity to understand stories? My mom also said like "you need to pay attention because it's difficult" but I really thought it was easy enough. I wasn't expecting any different from the show's concept as established in the first season.
Hiddleston is given credit for his performance but he was also a producer on this so he was probably involved in some story development.
I find it super hypocritical that with GOTG3 people said “Marvel didn’t make a good movie James Gunn did.” So by that logic everyone who liked Loki S2 shouldn’t be saying Marvel made a good show. They should be saying “Marvel didn’t made a good season of TV Eric Martin did.” And yet I have not heard a single soul say that.
good point! ppl have pretty selective memories
Loki was perfection. The reason??? Tom Hiddleston and many great actors. I think it is a masterpiece!!
While Loki s2 saved Marvel, The Marvels ruined it again. It’s like a pattern. But more bad than good.
Anyways, apart from that, Loki s2 was great, one of the better stuff, Loki is one of my top five favorite Marvel characters.
Imma rate the season a 9/10. Victor’s next choices are questionable, but overall, good season 👍
Honestly cannot decide which season is better s1 or s2 bc they’re both good. Better than pretty much most of the Multiverse saga projects, only bc of Tom Hiddleston himself, who is perfect as Loki.
Isn't funny how 2023 turned out?
Ant-Man 3-th end of the MCU
Guardians 3-the savior of the MCU
Secret Invasion-the end of the MCU
Loki Season 2- the savior of the MCU
The Marvels-the end of the MCU
What if season 2- the savior of the MCU
I can only imagine how 2024 is
Echo-the Savior of the MCU
Deadpool 3- the MCU is saved
Agatha: Darkhold Diaries-the end of the MCU lol and so on and so on
I call this the ‘Kang show.’ ‘Lo-Kang’ featuring ‘No-ki.’
I think it's the best stuff they could do to save this MCU. Finally, REAL writers, a beautiful, inspired setting (retro-scifi lover's delight), great soundtrack, great actor performance... yes, many problems, particularly in the use of powers (as ever) and some episode's timing, but the emotional power and the quality of the script make me forgive that. I'm not sure if hoping for a 3rd season: the conclusion was sad, but extremely coherent and satisfying, with things closing in a symbolic circle; it would be a pity to ruin everything just for profict. I wish they really learned.
Beautifully written review! Thank you 🙏🏻❤️
Loki S2, Andor and Moon Knight is my strong top 3 shows of D+. and Ahsoka is a very strong contender for it, and if not, 4 shows to msut watch on D+.
and you're right, they're(it's) very good. they're(it's) not perfect, with "nitpicky" mistakes to point on but good strong shows overall
For the first time in a while, marvel actually made me think.
Loki might not be a master class but it is definitely a master template that should be followed at a minimum.
Did you know that in the Old Norse religion of the Asa gods, Loki's parents are giants and so is Loki. He could transform into animals and once transformed into a mare who later gives birth to Odin's horse sleipner.
So Loki is the Mother of Odins horse😂😂😂
If only we could all put great/best and everything else post-Endgame using the rose painted Marvel Studios logo above it all in the same sentence as well. Now that's a hill I'd happily die on. The MCU seemed untouchable during the Infinity era of the MCU until this new Multiverse era ensured it was no longer like that.
Literally stupid af
What if the Secret Wars finale happens in front of Loki
Loki and GOTG 3 carried Disney so hard in 2023
For all Time. Always
When i started loki season 2 i actually forgot that it is marvel
did the logo at the start didn't remind u?
There was nothing ‘Marvel’ about it at all except for the word ‘Loki’ in the title because it *SURE* wasn’t the same character. I’m honestly surprised it’s even the same actor! 🤯
No.
Well, at least we know you can't mistake things at least this good for being bad, but that doesn't really excuse your The Marvel's oof, which was definitely not Loki good, but was still pretty damn good. Fascinating discovery tbh.
wow big accolade being the best out of a heap of garbage
It was so good
I thought Loki Season 2 was more multiverse nonsense. It keeps using Loki contrary to his character. I still hate Sylvie, the variant. It’s just too down in the weeds with action that doesn’t matter. Variants are a stupid plot device as is TVA.
What shows and movies i need to have seen before watching Loki 2?
Thor Trilogy and Avengers Quadrology basically
@@guramjijeishvili does thor trilogy includes love and thunder? Do I need Wandavision?
1. Thor (2011)
2. The Avengers (2012)
3. Thor: The Dark World (2013)
4. Thor: Ragnarok (2017)
5. Avengers: Infinity War (2018)
6. Avengers: Endgame (2019)
P.s you can also watch Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015) if you want; Loki is not in it but since you're watching Avengers movies, you might as well watch that one too.
If you're interested in only Loki than no. You don't need to watch Love and Thunder nor Wandavision.
@@guramjijeishvili I used to watch marvel until end game, lost interest after it.
Best of the worst?
Yes Loki session 2 is the best show and nearly as good as Wearwolf by Night
Man was it amazing!
lol Clearly hasn't seen Daredevil
Good thing Daredevil isn’t an MCU show then
@@movieoverloadDaredevil was the best thing Marvel’s ever done.
Ok, but it's still not an MCU show.
How so? It's not Disney+ but I'm pretty sure it is still part of the MCU. The plot takes place within the MCU (references to events and whatnot) even though it keeps itself at arms length from the main MCU material. @@movieoverload
@@movieoverload it's a licensed show produced under ABC studios, a Disney subsidiary, distributing by Netflix, and then carried over to Disney+ once the license expired in 2021.
This ‘new version’ of Loki is all over the place in terms of appearance and personality. One minute he’s a panting, pathetic mouse (S2E1) a badass (S2E2) a simp (Most of S1, S2E3), a blank passive piece of cardboard (S1E6, S2E4) and just ‘too human.’ I miss the smart ass, magic using fun and *MISCHIEVOUS* Loki! He can be a ‘hero’ and still retain *some* of his personality traits that we all loved from the movies. In S1E1 he was still identifiable as Loki but then he gradually just turned into a mix of ‘Tom/Loki pretending to be one or the other.’ It’s weird. Who’s fault is this? The writers? Directors? Producers? *TOM?!* He knows this character so well and spent so much time, effort and passion in crafting and playing him I don’t think he’d ‘want’ to ruin what he claimed to be part of his own ‘glorious purpose.’ I believe in his passion I do. But it didn’t show on-screen very much apart from a few of the emotional scenes. Otherwise he was boring. I *KNOW* he’s a good actor and we got a glimpse of the ‘real’ Loki in the opening of S2E2 but then they (Disney?) made him put the brakes on and change direction again. Don’t let them make Loki boring, Tom *PLEEEASE!* He was so cool. Let him be *COOL!* 😩😫
I get what you're saying. I absolutely loved Loki as a villain; he was witty, mischievous, and his arrogance was charming in a way. The traits that made me love him were somewhat lost during his character development in the series. I understand that the series wanted to explore the "what makes a Loki a Loki" thing by 1) totally removing him out of his element 2) introducing other versions of Loki as variants 3) and re-evaluating what his glorious purpose is. Don't get me wrong, I loved how Loki realized his wrongs, turned himself around, and ultimately sacrificed himself for his friends (I ugly cried during the finale). I understand why he acted differently in the series, but I missed some of his old personality that made me like him from the beginning.
Now that Loki has reached full redemption (at least imo), I'd love to see a series/movie in the future where he's granted a second chance to actually live again and somehow not be stuck in Yggdrasil forever. I want more than anything to see Loki reunite with Thor, regain his mischievous and sassy self (of course without being evil), and don his ornate green/gold costumes like before. (Side note: I understand that his latest costume was supposed to be humble, but I wish it felt at least slightly more elaborate like his previous costumes now that he's reached god-tier mode).
well another 2 hour movie enlogated to a 6 hour show,,and the pacing is terrible
Yes. Should have been a movie. He deserves it.
@@ZyliceLiddell It got a movie budget..150 millóns.but too much filler
Another mcu issue. Im not going to watch this even if its great. Pulling the pepper out the fly poop 💩
Watched it and liked about half of the show but definitely slow and filler and slow......
If anyone finds Loki too challenging maybe they should stick to reality TV or something. It's definitely got slightly better SciFi themes and does some of the time travel themes well but it's not hard to follow. Try something great like Pantheon or Dark for some fun.
Loki, falcon and the Winter soldier, Hawkeye, moonknight. were all enjoyable enough for me to not to feel like they were Time-wasters. I wouldn’t say any of these are masterpieces but they were definitely decent enough to be enjoyed.
I hated all of them bar Hawkeye
I liked three of four. Did not like Falcon & the Winter Soldier.
@@jamescarr1265 don't forget the specials like werewolf by night or Gurdians holiday special or the upcoming Echo show
@@luismedrano6680 I didn’t like Guardians special
It’s currently hip to shit on everything that Marvel has done since Endgame, and I 99% agree with that assessment, but it has had some bright spots and Loki is one of them.
I haven’t even had time to watch season 2 yet but I was really impressed by season 1. It’s one of the few new MCU projects that executes the Multiverse concept well, has likable characters that we have an emotional investment in, and leaves us wanting more. I’m looking forward to a nice binge watch this coming Thanksgiving weekend.
What assessment? With exception to 3 particular projects, Thor 4, She-Hulk, and MoM, every drop has been a straight banger from Marvel, from Moon Knight and Werewolf by Night to Ms. Marvel and The Marvels, absolute hit after hit. It's like you normies aren't even WATCHING the stuff, just skimming for stupid stuff to complain about. Stop complaining, be entertained dammit!!
Fun fact: The villain in ‘The Marvel’s’ Dar-Benn is Tom Hiddleston’s (Loki) wife irl. Zawe Ashton.
I couldn’t recommend Loki season 1. It was slow and boring and made Loki out to be a bumbling idiot, and we have to castrate and emasculate all the male characters in order to make the female characters look cool by comparison, and then we have that awkward scene at the end of time with The One Who Was Fired, and then the show is over and I’m left feeling like my time has been thoroughly wasted.
I could not recommend Loki season 2 ENOUGH. It was a SPECTACULAR comeback with great characters, character development, plot, and I was a big fan of the fact that the writers said “psych! There are actually severe world ending consequences to Silvy’s shenaniganery” and while her heart was in the right place, her resolution was the worst one she could’ve possibly come up with. The season even worked a lot better on a meta scale, the message effectively being that you can’t say something is bad, destroy it, and then have absolutely no plan on what you’re going to replace it with and allow everything to collapse in on itself and become a black hole of doom and disaster. Season 2 was a breath of fresh air that I was absolutely not expecting from anything marvel related, and I’m really glad I took the time to watch it rather than giving up on Loki after season 1.
idk what u are smokin, but basically the entire series, the entire season was sum up in last 10 mins of the show. hell, last 20 if u want to be generous. There was no point beyond that.
Probably less than what you are smoking to write a whole paragraph and still not say anything meaningful at all.
You clearly wasn't paying attention then
You are putting a hard sell on this... it's Disney so I'll pass
lol, Disney also gave us Rogue One and Andor
Can’t agree more.
I’m glad you liked it I thought it was 5 out of 10 my fave was Ms. marvel surprisingly even though it’s pretty had I like it’s characters more than any other 😊
I'm sorry loki is the gawd of ...
Well.... nothing I have seen in mcu. The show is.... cool. But this isn't loki 😕 Goof stuff
Exactly. It’s ‘Noki.’ I call this show the ‘Kang show.’ ‘Lokang.’
Even a broken normie is right at least twice a day
And it’s STILL garbage
Nope
It’s not garbage
@@vb2806 hard to find a audience of significant scale to gauge this sentiment
Jesus, finally some unbiased “but mah masculinity” opinion, thanks man, I have something to watch.
Hard to care about this while I'm watching the far superior marvel Netflix shows. Also season 1 sucked so dont wanna waste time with another crappy season.
Terrible fucking take
Loki 2 was terrible. They undermined Kang, again, by making him a stuttering fool and even the original HWR only got where he did because of a strong woman of colour and a female AI.
The time travelling dynamic was stupid, with circular connections.
U sure u watched the series? HE Who Remains knew how the finale was going to transpire when Loki took over the throne. He who remains quickly dispose of his female henchmen once he gotten where he was destined to be.
The show was *ALL* about Kang lol! 😂
Agreed mate
Loki the God of Marvel
They need him. They *REALLY* do! 😬
Marvels Superhero Fatigue ?
hahaha what a joke !
Star Trek up and until Enterprise:
+/- 700 individual Series and Movies.
Thus about 30 Thousands Hours of Star Trek and then , yes maybe , is was a "fatigue"
30,000 Hours ! of Star Trek !
Marvels has barely 200 hours.
Is not Fatigue, is:
GARBAGE !
dude, the last Star Trek movie bombed on its 60th anniversary lol, followed by seemingly endless Star Trek projects under Paramount+, a Star Trek 4 has been stuck in development hell for nearly a decade
@@luismedrano6680
True, Yet, Star Trek bombed after thirty thousands hours of shows and movies...
When since marvelita up and until today ALL movies and series of just about anything SF, is Garbage.
With minor exceptions.
Thus Marvel has not Fatigue but for past 5 years, is Garbage !
200 hours of Garbage.
Thus remember,, we still have 30.000 hours of untainted Star Trek and other many thousands of hours of high quality SF entertainment made Before this present darkness ...
Loki next to 2004 BattleStar Galactica ?! Or next to Babylon 5 ?!
Heresy !
Xmass
I thought the title was click bait. Everyone has an opinion I get that. But I don't know how anyone can like anything Disney has done since Endgame. If you're a fan of story telling, it's an impossibility. It's all shit. Loki's numbers are low for a reason.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
That dude who hasn't watched the show and calls others opinions clickbait (when currently what gets the most views is shitting on Marvel lol). Loki's numbers are pretty high if you haven't informed yourself. It's also funny how you say it's subjective, yet you call it shit as it was objective and then doubt if other people that like storytelling actually like it. It's pathetic and petty how generic and dumb desperate haters can get.
On the contrary, I don't get how normies like you exist, if you watched everything from Iron Man to Endgame, nothing that has come out since Endgame should feel particularly bad, it's all good. See, but normies can't be expected to like someyhing for longer than the fad, and on their exit they tend to complain and ruin the IP the fad is around.
Also, Loki's number aren't low. At least try to be accurate when you shitpost, thanks.
@@andresdanielemikr. This person is just looking for attention. Loki was great. Best thing they’ve done since endgame alongside guardians of the galaxy 3 and no way home too (even if NWH was solid character writing carrying a flawed plot with fan service at most) they’re the three best gems found in the rough phase 4 onwards.
Nope, first few episodes of S1 was good, they it all just went downgrade. S2 is just bad
I wouldn’t say it’s the greatest show ever, it was okay nothing to crazy
I think he said Disney+ show. Is there one or more you think are better? Ms. Marvel, Secret Wars, Wandavision, She Hulk? Edit: I forgot The Bucky Falcon show…
@@alexmartin3143 none are better, they shove real world problems into a fictional tv shows and movies, when we are supposed be escape reality, that’s the okie of super hero movies and shows/comics, cause we don’t have aliens invading our world while super heroes are protecting
@@alexmartin3143 and what if, hawkeye, moon knight, werewolf by night, guardians holiday special, and the upcoming echo show
😎🙏💯
Thought season one was way better. Felt they were holding off information for pointless reasons other then we don’t got nun right now
I fell asleep halfway through ep 2 and gave up. I guess I will check it out.
It picks up a good pace from episode 4, The first section of the series seem to me like Subplot, it only get's better starting the look main plot that involved getting Victor Timely
I would also say the first three episodes are the weakest. It has problems, but if you can overlook them, you will find a great last episode.
@@HaelinX I ended up binging S2 to see if it could stand up to the hype. It is mid at best. Worse than Wandavision. Only thing I liked about the show was Victor Timely's portrayal. Even that was just like how do you have an almost working pruning stick and still be a street rat?
Also, Loki's powers go from time slipping to freezing time and then all the way up to being able to birth and give life to infinite timelines? That is such a huge leap and was just dumb.
I still don't understand Kang's plan here with having Loki awaken his time powers. What was he trying to accomplish? He had everything with the TVA and the Sacred timeline. Plot is just too convoluted for its own good.
Also Loki just happened to leave the torture machine in the cell and no one bothered to remove that machine while they left the prisoners alone in the cell? Like that is just insane. Or like Sylvie just doesn't kill Ravonna and instead strands her there just for her to comeback. The General's death would have been more meaningful if they gave her any character development. They should have killed off Casey or someone else from the gang to get us more emotionally involved.
Show was 6/10.
@@robobrain10000The show didn’t explain or develop anything properly.
This character has nothing to do with the Loki from Marvel comics. It's not even remotely the same character. Loki is not a hero and there is zero ambiguity about this in the source material.
I guess you haven't been reading the comics lately, he is a hero now and is no longer the trickster god anymore, he's the god of stories and is waaaaay more powerful than he's ever been.
Couldn’t finish past season 2🤣🤣🤣 show was str8 garbage. I’m just here to watch a breakdown to give me the info of the whole show
Hawkeye was good
Loki is confusing to watch?? Who are complaining about it?
A *LOT* of people.
I hated season 1 so much for how badly they treated Loki and him essentially playing second fiddle to a self-insert Mary-Sue.
Since then, I've tuned out of Marvel.
Season 2 completely changes that. This season is all Loki
Basically, you have shit taste, being a normie, and so it just wasn't for you, and rather than trying to change it for the worse, you admirably stepped away, as you're supposed to do, yes? At least one normie has the right idea
@@mockingjay4776
Season 1 was still called "Loki", not "Sylvie".
Plus it's clear S1 was helmed by a feminist with ulterior motives and a need for personal validation for her life choices; integrity of the legacy characters be damned.
@@DaveMan1K YOu missed out man. Glorious Purpose!
@@DaveMan1K I mean, technically, she also is Loki.
Sorry! Loki is nowhere near the character from the films! He's not the god of mischief any more, he's just a sad man now. I enjoyed when he couldn't be trusted. It was his character. I can't watch this crap any more! Seriously! He didn't experience a character arc, he just changed his mind over some pie 😅
Basically you're throwing a tantrum because they're exploring a different perspective of Loki instead of being repetitive. Funny how you're likely the one who then complains because characters act the same and don't have development yet you want Loki to be the same every time 💀. It's your opinion tho, so you do you ig.
I feel like woke bots like this one are let lose on this video because it doesnt make sense what they say but could be wrong
@@andresdanielem There's no tantrum, I just don't like what they did with Loki. He is supposed to be powerful, mischievous, and clever. There was no character arc, they just showed him some stuff and he changed, and then they introduce his female self who he just fawns over the whole time.
@@macpj12j What the hell is a woke bot and why would you let one 'loose'?!
Not every criticism has to be because of an agenda you know. I have legitimate concerns with the Loki character whom I liked in the films, but has now been neutered as if a switch was flicked.
@@BenDavies1977 i didnt say you are it feels like you are because what you are saying mostly doesnt makes sense and i dont do never do personality predictions but this i feel like you are woke or feminist who didnt like a good male character development that why you are talking bad about when it literally a good thing he wasnt even a goood villain he was just annoying tf with people .
Loki lost me early season 1
-1 view, what a shame.
@@andresdanielem Too bad for you.
@Titurel Yeah it surely hurts.
I mean it's your loss to miss out on a really good story🤷♀️
Don't believe them, the show was trash
I felt like it dragged and I missed everything I liked about Loki from the movies. Arrogance, mischeif, illusion etc
Well, he was learning not to be so arrogant in season 1, but I did like the few moments of fun he had (like when he interrogated the guy alone) I also love that he used his magic way more than in any other MCU appearance in this one. I always missed the magical element in the movies. So in episode three when he goes all magic I went "finally!!" I do like him arrogant and mischievous, it might have been nice they kept some of that, the flair did come back a bit during the time loop, but yeah, they focused a lot on the redemption aspect, I guess.
Same! This ‘Loki’ (Noki) is just another character. Nothing ‘Loki’ about him. This show is slow, silly and drab af besides that! Nothing much ‘Marvel’ about it. There are some legitimately clever things in it but it didn’t do the character any favours for fans who liked him best in the films.
I WISH it was good but it made Loki a desperate clown unrelated to his own backstory, it didn't explore his character, but pushed the tell and not show that most Marvel projects suffer from. It said nothing about his relationship to Asgard, his real heritage and recent deal with Thanos, just made him go through the same worn out "Loki is bad, Loki sacrifices himself for atonement to prove he's changed," he's done it about four times now.
The worst offence was the amount of sympathy it gives towards the TVA, a fascist organisation designed to do nothing but kill trillions for one sacred timeline because it's stopping the one baddie that runs the place. There's literal gas chambers in use and Mobius is a friendly murderer because he's played by Owen Wilson. Its bargaining to call it the best, trying to give something a token award because it was "attempting to tell a story" but it's sordid in isolation when compared to other meaningful stories out there, and its unconnected to the multiverse lore it sets up for Marvel as none of the projects can come together in agreement for what that is.
If I had to go with one decent MCU show it would be Moon Knight since it's a stand alone series and it achieved the goal of telling a story of self acceptance it wanted to do from episode one.
... I mean, they literally speak about the TVA in the second season as you described it. They want to change it, but there are problems they need to tackle. I personally would have liked it if they explored different factions inside the TVA at the beginning of season 2.
@@Neropol14 How exactly can you change the TVA though, it's designed to kill people and strip freewill, that's always been its function. Why would anyone want to keep the namesake and try to defend it.
Every single person within the TVA have held the belief that murdering for an infinite amount of time was a good thing. It would have been better to completely dismantle it and never allow that amount of unregulated power ever again. Instead the TVA gets glorified for its deeds of ending many universes to save basically just one and continue to hold power. None of the agents hold any true remorse for murder because the fantasy world building justifies it.
Loki sacrifices himself for the TVA because they're his friends and magic gives an easy solution. The writing is determined to get us to side with the genocidal organisation and think they're more complicated, but we really shouldn't be doing that.
I wished this show was about a Norse Loki instead of ‘Kang and the TVA’ which abhorrently butchered his character beyond recognition. 😢
@@Neropol14I would have preferred the ‘Loki’ show to be about *LOKI!*
I've never watched TV shows. Based of comic book characters.
damn, not even Amazon's The Boys or Invincible, or the Netflix era Marvel shows like Daredevil, Punisher, etc?
I couldn’t get into the show because Loki is not my Loki.
These are the same people who say "this is not my Kratos" when he isn't screaming and brutally killing because reasons in the new GOWs lmfao ☠️
Which is your loki?
It’s the same Loki from 2012 avengers turned Into a variant
@@hazman5528To be fair, that Loki wanted to conquer New York and then the world. It’s a big change (I don’t remember how they explained it in the show though).
@@hazman5528 well he acts more like the Loki from Thor: Ragnarok.
Da Loki!?!?
It sucks.
I gave up on Loki after season 1 broke the MCU...
No, it's arguably the worst. It ruined everything we ever knew about the Mcu in its first episode.
What a terrible show. I enjoyed it, but that doesn't make it good at all.
How did it ruin it? No arguments for this tantrum.
@andresdanielem
They established the fact that every single Mcu movie was forced to happen by some crazy dude from the future.
Every decision, every action taken by any character before this show can be excused by the quote "there is no free will?" This is the laziest way to fix all plot holes from the past movies I've ever seen.
@briancook7696 It is never established for sure that free will was completely unexistent. We also do see the lie behind the time keepers in season 1. HWR did pave the way for Loki indeed (which was in order for him to find a replacement for himself), but it is never indicated that he did edit everything to his will (maybe some events). He served more as a watcher who makes sure his variants don't come back to start another war.
The same argument can be made for infinity war when Dr. Strange saw the future they win, and then it says it was supposed to happen that way, it serves to excuse every plot hole/ inconsistency in Endgame.
@@hazman5528
That's fine.
@andresdanielem
It was established that he ordered the TVA to keep the timelines in check. That alone means he made everyone do everything he wanted them to do. There's no way out of this. The result is the same. There was no free will.
Endgame was a bad movie, too 😂
The MCUs worst movie is a toss between Thor 2 and Antman 2. The Marvels, while not a great movie it was still fun, succinct, complete within the MCU.
Loki has a greater depth of sophisticated story telling. This is where the MCU storytelling should be heading.
Thor 2 is a *MASTERPIECE* compared to the other modern Disney-Marvel crap! Including this show. What ‘story-telling’ are you talking about? The writers expect the audience to fill in the gaps and play guessing games!
@@ZyliceLiddell Thor: The Dark World is super Underrated!!!
It was Underrated before Phase 4 and now it isn't the worst Marvel, MCU and Thor Movie!!!
Saying that it's the best MCU show is not saying much lmao it's pretty bad. I can't even get through the first episode, it's really boring and something about Loki being the hero is really weird. They didn't really give a decent enough character arc for him to suddenly be all out a nice normal guy. I watched some of the final episode and it also did a bad job in pulling me in. The Marvel universe needs to be put down for a long time before revisiting, there are great stories that already exist in the comic universe but for some reason Disney cannot just refuses to make faithful retellings of already loved stories. Loki as a show is fine if you're sick at home and can't be bothered to find something better to watch, besides that it's rough to sit through.
"Loki being the hero is really weird" he played the "hero" role in Thor the Dark World in avenging his mother's death at Malekith's hands, in Thor Ragnarök, he helped Thor in leaving Sakar and defeating Hela by reviving Surtr, and of course in Infinity War, Loki sacrifice to save Thor from Thanos and the Black Order
@@luismedrano6680But he was a better character back then in terms of *EVERYTHING!*
With exception to 3 particular projects, Thor 4, She-Hulk, and MoM, every drop has been a straight banger from Marvel, from Moon Knight and Werewolf by Night to Ms. Marvel and The Marvels, absolute hit after hit. It's like you normies aren't even WATCHING the stuff, just skimming it for stupid stuff to complain about. Stop complaining, be entertained dammit!!
“Stop complaining, be entertained dammit!!”
The consumer mindset for all to view 😹😹
@@jamescarr1265 i found one who follows an echo chamber of his own making lol, you are occupying a space reserved for entertainment aka youtube, owned by Google, itself owned by Alphabet lol
@@luismedrano6680 enjoy The Marvels then 😹😹😹
But Disney Marvel content is stupid, slow-paced and *BORING!*
Nah man, everything Disney touches is garbage.
It's funny how you don't present any arguments nor substance yet people are suppose to take you seriously. Forget your childish hatred and bias towards Disney for a moment and try to use objectivity.
Disney bought Marvel since 2009, Stop capping
And yet you didn't even watch a single episode 😂 imagine calling people ignorant but being very ignorant yourself
dude, u should what WB did to DC, Harry Potter, etc. or Paramount to Star Trek, Transformers, GI Joe, TMNT, etc. or Sony with their non Spider-Man Marvel movies like Venom, Morbius, etc
Loki is the second best for sure.
Falcon/WS is by far the best Disnazi+ show, tho. It's criminally underrated, but everyone sucks the WS movies dick. It's literally that, but a show, with a better villain. Y'all crazy.
I like falcon and winter soldier too. Very underrated but still big with flaws I think. And I definitely would say Loki is better imo. But falcon and winter soldier I would put second best it was definitely better than Wandavision and Hawkeye which were the only either two decent shows they made. The rest has mostly been mid/shit completely