FlatHead V8 Fires up! Ed Smith Shares Tools Tricks rebuilding Flatheads at Five Star Engines PHX AZ

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  • Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
  • Ed Smith Explains some tool modifications and methods he's learned of the years of racing and engine rebuilding. This is a must-see for anyone working on Ford and Lincoln Flathead engines.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 134

  • @marioncobaretti2280
    @marioncobaretti2280 Місяць тому +3

    Very nice of ed to keep everyone informed of his tricks and experiences on these old engines. Thanks Ed and barry

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  Місяць тому +1

      Thank you, I’ll pass that on to Ed!

  • @kelleysimonds5945
    @kelleysimonds5945 10 місяців тому +15

    This guy is so knowledgable and good humored, he's the kind of guy that every mechanic should learn from.

  • @stephenpilanen1902
    @stephenpilanen1902 Рік тому +23

    This man is an absolute gem a wealth of knowledge.

  • @nicksavage1791
    @nicksavage1791 10 місяців тому +21

    Man I wish I had a dad or grandpa that would have taught me what he knows. These guys are amazing and an absolute wealth of knowledge.

  • @nathantrost7773
    @nathantrost7773 10 місяців тому +7

    I've been turning wrenches for 30 years and I have the upmost respect for this older guy here. I can tell he really knows these old engines. Amazing Wealth of knowledge right there. 👍👍

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  10 місяців тому +2

      Thank you, Nathan, and I’m glad to have you join us!

  • @jorgefernandez-mv8hu
    @jorgefernandez-mv8hu 11 місяців тому +11

    Now there's a man worth knowing if you need an engine rebuilt. What a great guy!

  • @lisabruneau3801
    @lisabruneau3801 5 місяців тому +6

    This man is a genius on these engines, learned more in five minutes than I thought possible.

  • @wildcycles1
    @wildcycles1 7 місяців тому +4

    I have learned more in the first fifteen minutes of this film than I have in years of asking questions. This fella is an absolute gem! I have a nice running flathead that I want to put a bigger cam in and now I am confident that I can do it without removing the valves! Thanks for this video!

  • @SK-tr9ii
    @SK-tr9ii 8 місяців тому +5

    I like watching his hands. You can see the years of muscle memory at work.

  • @MotorcycleDuke
    @MotorcycleDuke 2 місяці тому +3

    Let's face it...technology has taken over years ago but if it wasn't for men like this with the foundation of the mechanical aspects totally mastered we would be nowhere! He is a treasure and deserves all the respect in the world! The best part is that you can see that he loves what he is doing And sharing it with the world. Keep this guy and his videos coming!

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  2 місяці тому

      Thank you, Jeff, I certainly agree with you about Ed’s hard work and then being generous to be willing to share what he’s learned. I’ll keep them coming as long as he’s willing to sit down with me!

    • @lloydrmc
      @lloydrmc Місяць тому

      At this level, internal combustion engines are largely similar. Overhead or flathead, lapping valves is pretty much exactly the same.process. Even on a small engine like a lawnmower engine.
      On ALL older engines with distributors, the rough timing is exactly the same, (to make sure it's not 180⁰ out of phase, like in his first story).
      The wooden dowel pin trick, and relieving the block, for instance, don't apply to more modern, overhead valve engines.

  • @cowshottv5867
    @cowshottv5867 9 місяців тому +5

    I love hearing somebody who really really knows what he's talking about and this guy does.

  • @davidhofman4341
    @davidhofman4341 11 місяців тому +30

    I am 73 years old. The bill for bringing me into the world was paid for by my father rebuilding Ford flat heads at a Central Pa. Ford dealer. He had it set up with a local bank to finance the overhaul using the value in the car. That was in 1950s. He disliked adjustable lifters and never used them. He said you could hear if the engine had adjustable ones. I remember my Mother in 1947 SUPER DELUXE at stop sign telling us kids to be silent so she could HEAR if the engine was running.

    • @MilkMan608
      @MilkMan608 10 місяців тому +2

      My folks paid Dr. Larson $50 in 1950.👍

  • @brethawkins6075
    @brethawkins6075 7 місяців тому +5

    This guy is a gem, they broke the mold with him. I am on my second flathead now and this is stupid helpful! Thank you so much!

  • @tinolino58
    @tinolino58 9 місяців тому +4

    I run a flathead in my very old speedboat build 1947 🥳

  • @MartsGarage
    @MartsGarage 11 місяців тому +9

    Thanks for sharing all the tips and tricks. I've worked on a few flatheads and shown them in my own videos. I have also used a lever down the inlet ports to push the valves down and this is the first time I have ever seen anyone else acknowledge the method. The screw in the lifters is a tricky one. If you have one that is too loose you can crush the screw lengthwise as that is how they produced the tight thread in the first place. You do need both parts of the thread in the thread in the lifter for it to remain tight. Once again, thanks for showing some real in depth flathead content, lots of it just gets glossed over. All the best, Mart in England.

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  11 місяців тому +3

      Thank you, Mart, seems like you know, a few tricks yourself! Thanks for joining in the fun…

  • @philvanim4888
    @philvanim4888 2 місяці тому +2

    This guy is a treasure! He is really willing to share his knowledge. Great!

  • @p.arnevik6734
    @p.arnevik6734 Рік тому +6

    Totaly corect way to educate . No braging -no ' lm the best in the world'- fellow taking to much ! Like stuff like this !

    • @fordilac
      @fordilac 11 місяців тому

      You mean he is not David Vizarding it!

  • @flintcoat2596
    @flintcoat2596 9 місяців тому +3

    I found your channel yesterday, and today I learned the use of some of my Dad's tools! My Dad was a Ford man and had most of the same tools shown today. I think he would have killed for those magnetic value keeper installer!
    I knew the adjustable lifters came out of a tractor, but not which one!
    I think (not positive) my Dad ground the entire bottom threaded portion off of the adjuster and used a center punch in the upper until the adjuster dragged enough CEO it would not move after it was installed!
    I am going to recommend your channel to my Grand nephew today!

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  9 місяців тому +1

      Wonderful! So glad to have you along!

  • @mcheles3301
    @mcheles3301 2 місяці тому +3

    This is the most helpful flathead video on youtube.

  • @ScottDLR
    @ScottDLR 8 місяців тому +4

    Nothing sounds better than a ford Flathead V8

  • @russschubert6709
    @russschubert6709 10 місяців тому +3

    It’s great to have short cuts and the ways one has learned from many years of working on the flatheads
    Many ways that have been lost from not sharing

  • @normsweet1710
    @normsweet1710 Рік тому +11

    I wonder if Ed ever watches to see if he’s followed home. His lifetime of “experience” is most valuable. Y’all better take notes, Ya never know when you’ll need a bit of good ol fashion “horse sence” thanks Ed, very kind of you to share with us your lifetime of knowledge 👍❤️

    • @user-cv7tr1bi5c
      @user-cv7tr1bi5c 11 місяців тому +1

      Notmanyaroundflatsorflatheadmàchànics❤❤😂🎉 0:00

  • @joemuncie9187
    @joemuncie9187 11 місяців тому +9

    Wow, great video. At 70 years old, I have only worked on one flathead V8. Very unique sound. And yes, if the valves hit the pistons on that engine, you have big problems!!!

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  11 місяців тому +3

      Haha REALLY BIG problems! 😂

  • @alvingriggs6932
    @alvingriggs6932 10 місяців тому +3

    Wish his shop was in my town!!

  • @phildanh621
    @phildanh621 Рік тому +6

    Thank you Ed and Barry. This is wonderful. Thinking of driving all the way to Phoenix to bring you my V8-60 to tune up and break in before I put in the car.

  • @andone555
    @andone555 Рік тому +8

    Barry thanks so much for documenting this treasure of hot rod knowledge, Ed Smith!

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  Рік тому +2

      It’s my pleasure, I’m really enjoying getting to know Ed and I always learn something when I’m around him!

  • @michaelstaddon2522
    @michaelstaddon2522 10 місяців тому +3

    What a legend, reminds of my apprenticeship back in the seventies having the old guy's showing me the correct way to do it.👍

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  10 місяців тому +1

      Thank you - I agree. I hope to bring more of him

  • @robertchall8576
    @robertchall8576 11 місяців тому +3

    I could listen to him all day.

  • @carlofirpo3006
    @carlofirpo3006 Рік тому +5

    Excellent tricks of the trade information. I'm going to fab up one of those bars for pushing the intake guide down.

  • @chrisrhodes5464
    @chrisrhodes5464 11 місяців тому +3

    This man has some great ideas and knowledge of the flat head motor someone please learn as much as possible from this man before we lose him

  • @hotrodscott55
    @hotrodscott55 Рік тому +5

    Very informative, thankyou.

  • @richb4099
    @richb4099 11 місяців тому +4

    I'm 75 and started working on cars as a teenager.....I never worked on Flathead Ford engines that I can recall. By the time I was driving they were not really out there much. I can only recall one friend had one in high school. I know they were tough to work on because of that vale train arrangement. Ed's one very smart and knowledgeable man....sharp as can be! Experience counts !!

  • @DougsMessyGarage
    @DougsMessyGarage Місяць тому +2

    Wow, some serious gems in there. I am getting ready to do some Flathead Ford content and Ed's tips and tricks will certainly help.

  • @ninja63639
    @ninja63639 3 місяці тому +3

    I like those freeze plugs in the crossover passages. I used '49 wheat pennies in my '49 8BA

  • @JasonAirInc
    @JasonAirInc 8 місяців тому +3

    I wish I had seen this before I installed my lifters. Cool idea about sticking dowel rods under the valves to get the cam out.

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  8 місяців тому +2

      Still glad to have you along here! Thank you

  • @Dazza_Doo
    @Dazza_Doo 5 місяців тому +3

    I think we should start making more Flat-head/side valve engines. The engine I have in my van is a common rail diesel- you can't service that yourself. We need to become more self reliant. Simpler engine that are reliable and serviceable is key to independence.
    2 years ago my 3.2Ltr diesel Ranger stripped the pistons, because a hole in the coolant hose, that pumped the coolant out on the highway as I was driving. $10,000 USD later I had a rebuilt engine.

  • @laykhom3212
    @laykhom3212 Рік тому +5

    Love the video thanks

  • @chuckb9867
    @chuckb9867 Рік тому +5

    Just so you know UA-cam sent me your channel I'm loving it and subscribed immediately I do know where a Lincoln Zephyr V12 is just sitting four-door though and I have a 1942 Ford staff car it's been sitting in the bushes for years and want to work on it and bring it back

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  Рік тому +3

      I’m glad to hear it! Sounds like you should get to work on it! Thanks for joining in, Chuck.

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  Рік тому +3

      I don’t know, I imagine even if parts don’t interchange there would be a lot of methods that would…

  • @S7midnight
    @S7midnight Рік тому +8

    Great video! I bet this guy forgot more than other mechanics will ever learn :) and the engine is beautiful, probably this work costs more than an average car

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  Рік тому +5

      Yes, Ed seems to just “spill” info as a natural conversation. Thank you very much!

  • @thekidd8169
    @thekidd8169 9 місяців тому +4

    More Ed Smith please. See if you can do a whole series of him, building a flat beginning to end the whole machining process.

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  9 місяців тому +2

      Thank you for that suggestion we’ll see what we can do!

    • @thekidd8169
      @thekidd8169 9 місяців тому +1

      @@BarryTsGarage thank you Barry.

  • @mikeg4163
    @mikeg4163 Місяць тому +2

    Great info on the lifter. I had the same issue. Now I know why…thanks

  • @kasems1536
    @kasems1536 5 місяців тому +3

    Thank you from Bangkok,,,,, l love your job, very nice❤

  • @WesleyBlack-l3r
    @WesleyBlack-l3r 2 місяці тому +2

    Man you are awesome Mr.smith

  • @chuckb9867
    @chuckb9867 Рік тому +4

    Be nice to see a video for this guy once a week he's on real

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  Рік тому +2

      Thanks! I’ve been trying to talk Ed into that… He always “has too much work to do…”. Will keep trying.

  • @carlofirpo3006
    @carlofirpo3006 Рік тому +5

    I would like to get more detailed information on the oil pump/pan modification for full filtration.

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  Рік тому +3

      I’ll see what I can learn in a few weeks… Everybody happens to be traveling at the moment

  • @skipstein744
    @skipstein744 10 місяців тому +2

    Thanks for all your information. What are the differences in the early 221 ci engine and the later 239 ci engines? Thanks!

  • @460mark8
    @460mark8 Рік тому +6

    Still curious how assembly line workers were able to install the valves at the speed of production let alone be able to machine the parts so everything was in spec. I was able to meet Don Sullivan who was one of the original Ford flathead designers while working as a prototype engine mechanic at Ford but never thought about flatheads until many years after he passed.

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  Рік тому +2

      I have no idea but would postulate the engines were assembled on a different line or lines to account for the difference of time needed…?
      And thanks for sharing about Don Sullivan. Some make fun of the flathead and maybe it was getting ‘old’ by the mid ‘50’s but when it came out it was amazing!

    • @legend7ify
      @legend7ify 11 місяців тому +1

      G'day there,
      I remember seeing a FORD factory film, and yes the engines were complete when arriving at the assembly line from the Engine Department.
      Cheers and kind regards.
      Malcolm. (vintage 1942)
      ​ @BarryTsGarage

  • @CUTproductionsLtd
    @CUTproductionsLtd 10 місяців тому +2

    Absolute wonderful old gentleman! This kind of experience and knowledge, you can't buy at any price. The only thing I would dare ask is how do you lock those tappets, when the bolt now moves more freely? From what I gather most people drill holes in the block seats to hold with a rod whilst adjusting, and the sheer difficulty of adjusting the bolt is to maintain that adjustment. 'Modern' tappet adjustments have a locking screw/bolt for this purpose. Just asking :)

  • @jamesmaySaysTheKingIsComing
    @jamesmaySaysTheKingIsComing 10 місяців тому +3

    Thanks!

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  10 місяців тому +1

      Wow I appreciate that so much, James!

  • @lonnieturner2406
    @lonnieturner2406 Рік тому +6

    What size hole does he drill?

  • @piewagn
    @piewagn 9 місяців тому +3

    I've used those "Johnson" keys with absolutely NO problems...

  • @MyNameIsChristBringsASword
    @MyNameIsChristBringsASword 7 місяців тому +3

    I'm inexperienced wishing I knew this stuff long time ago although I don't know why.

  • @desertbob6835
    @desertbob6835 Рік тому +5

    I had a '50 Custom with the 239, 100 HP. You MUST have those special tools to do flattie valves. Johnson adjustable tappets are a must-have. Although legendary, the Ford flatties were NOT great engines.

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  Рік тому +1

      I wouldn’t argue with you, thank you for chiming in…

  • @ashleyfroud5015
    @ashleyfroud5015 10 місяців тому +2

    Split keepers, for valve ends.

  • @chuckb9867
    @chuckb9867 Рік тому +4

    I have a 42 Ford flathead 6 I wonder if he has tips for that too

  • @dwaynebenjamin1089
    @dwaynebenjamin1089 9 днів тому +1

    Hey Barry , I would like to know more about the flywheel change on the flat head . Thanks Dwayne

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  8 днів тому

      You got it I will ask Ed in an upcoming episode

  • @chuckb9867
    @chuckb9867 Рік тому +4

    I wonder where this guy shop is is I'm from Connecticut

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  Рік тому +2

      He’s in Glendale (Phoenix) AZ. Thanks!

  • @davidpruyne7340
    @davidpruyne7340 9 місяців тому +3

    Awsome video ,,,,, I seen a model A block in the background,,,, can he fix them to take insert bearings ,,,, or re pour the babbitt bearings

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  9 місяців тому +1

      He’s not a fan of babbitt so setting them up for inserts will be the choice…
      Thanks for your comment!

  • @JamesBurton-kv8sd
    @JamesBurton-kv8sd 10 місяців тому +1

    I have 1947 flat head it has distributor front engine. I like to know more about engine oil pump conversion. also want type oil use engine after overhaul. In your you tube were buy life for this engine. Really enjoy you take about value adjusting .were found tool put lock back on value stem? What make tool out the for intake value? Want charge to do complete overhaul on 1947 engine?

  • @lonniebenson2491
    @lonniebenson2491 15 днів тому +1

    Assembling these engines can be a challenge, but disassembling these these 70 year old sludge up rusted up seized up engines is where the fun begins..

  • @jerrybigrig9475
    @jerrybigrig9475 10 місяців тому +3

    😎👍😎

  • @Rustyhalligans
    @Rustyhalligans 2 місяці тому +2

    i would like some info on the shop Name Ed works at. impossible to find someone with this kind of knowledge to build your Flathead V8. I have one i need built

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  2 місяці тому +1

      You can try Five Star Engines in Phoenix AZ but Ed is mostly retired.

  • @johnbeyl3892
    @johnbeyl3892 Рік тому +4

    Ask Ed if he remembers John Lane...

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  Рік тому +3

      Will do!

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  Рік тому +3

      He said of course he does!

    • @johnbeyl3892
      @johnbeyl3892 Рік тому +2

      @BarryT’sGarage I was talking to John not too long ago and we were discussing his old racing and speedshop days in AZ. I asked him if he knew Ed. That opened an interesting discussion to say the least!

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  Рік тому +2

      @@johnbeyl3892 I love it!

  • @piewagn
    @piewagn 9 місяців тому +2

    So, is Ed advocating replacing the camshaft and reusing the old undamaged lifters? I'd like to know...seriously.

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  9 місяців тому

      No. He is demonstrating how you could change a cam easily if for example you have a new build but decide you want a different cam profile.

  • @Corvacar
    @Corvacar 5 місяців тому +1

    Why did Ford stop making Engines using Full Floating connecting rod bearings after the 59AB --cost ?

  • @user-qz7zx7qy1k
    @user-qz7zx7qy1k 9 місяців тому

    Hi Ed , I have a 239 flathead that I can not put the fuel pump pushrod back into the port. Same cam new bearings installed by a builder .I am using the same pushrod. The bearing is aligned but it looks like the opening in the cam bearing is to small. Any ideas. Fred

  • @robertwest3093
    @robertwest3093 8 місяців тому +2

    Did you catch that this block is bored .100 over??

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  8 місяців тому

      True! Apparently the ford flathead can even handle a .125 over!

    • @stevemabry6718
      @stevemabry6718 5 днів тому

      The over bore is for a reason first of all bigger piston makes more power, second is the cylinder walls are so thick that they don't heat transfer, the thinner cylinder walls will help in the overheating, hope that helps

  • @rcrussell9476
    @rcrussell9476 10 місяців тому +2

    There is no reason to turn the camshaft so many times when you can turn the engine one revolution one time to set all valves. I cut my teeth on flathead fords & i have the chart that tells you how to do that. I've used it many times before adjustable lifters were available. We ground the ends of the valves to set the clearance,: pretty fast when you could set one third of the valves at the same time.

    • @oldamericaniron5767
      @oldamericaniron5767 8 місяців тому

      I did my flathead with all stock parts, it takes some time to fit valve clearance when using different valves than were in it. To me an interesting note is caterpillar 2 cylinder opposed starting engine has valve guides held in place with clips just like flathead V8 Ford.

  • @geraldbellows8831
    @geraldbellows8831 10 місяців тому +2

    Lifters are Ford tractor

  • @stevemabry6718
    @stevemabry6718 5 днів тому +1

    Father n law dropped his flathead off for a cleaning and magnaflux, wanted an estimate on repairs if needed, $6000 later he found out it needed to be bored, crank turned, and new valve train, he's not impressed, it's not as cheap as a SBC to play with, he would have guessed 2 grand at most, i laughed

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  5 днів тому

      No, none of this is inexpensive anywhere anymore… Ed has been complaining about how expensive just a set of bearings is now, I think $600-800. That’s just the bearings!

  • @king0cans
    @king0cans 8 місяців тому +1

    Are you guys in Phoenix?

  • @lovemycountry-n2o
    @lovemycountry-n2o 2 місяці тому +1

    The other guy should hush up

    • @BarryTsGarage
      @BarryTsGarage  2 місяці тому

      I know I need to curb my enthusiasm! Thanks for watching

  • @Cougracer67
    @Cougracer67 11 місяців тому +1

    Erroneous info on the oil filters! They were by-pass units and used a tiny orifice to meter oil flow through the filter so oil pressure was not lost by an empty filter. Plus, that orifice was near the top of the filter so all the oil never drained down into the pan! By the way, Red's Headers is in California, not back east.