The Problems w/Wing Chun History w/Sifu Jim Roselando | The Kung Fu Genius Podcast
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- Alright peeps, on this 101st episode of the Kung Fu Genius Podcast, the KFG (aka Alex Richter) will be talking to Sifu Jim Roselando. Lots of gems, lots of Boston vs. New York, and lots of “we are going to be talking about history, so …. let’s get to it!”
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All you have to do is get Sifu Robert Chu's book "COMPLETE WING CHUN: The Definitive Guide to Wing Chun's History and Traditions
It should help you with your research.
This was a good episode Sifu Alex. I enjoy learning more about the roots of wing chun and different branches of it. Thanks 🙏🏽
Thank you!
Excellent, Thanks! Much of the discussion was well beyond my pay-grade! Well worth viewing again and again.
I've got a lot of respect for Jim. He gave me some good advice once that helped me to put Hendrik Santo and Chu into perspective. I know Chu pretty much dumped Santo with that article but yeah, back then it was soooooo full of conflict and BS. 'I don't know'
Very good content again! Happy New Year!
Excellent! Happy new year from New Zealand
Legendary. Great to see you Sifu Roselando. You chase it down to the ends!
It's KFG TIME!!! Thanks Alex for another insightful episode!! There is so much info to take in!!
Very interesting topic. Like to add, I heard elsewhere too, that wing chun original had like 12 forms or more, but that these forms were combined and condensed to form the 3 we know today plus the dummy form. I believe it was Sifu Tam Woon Biu of wong wa shun lineage who mentioned this in an documentary by sifu sergio. Worth checking out.
Great episode!
Very good interview.Definitely learned a lot of wing chun history 👍
Amazing guest and fascinating content!
great episode, really like the history and the evolution of the system.
What an informative podcast….keep up the great work
Thanks for listening
My guess is that he started with the 3 forms, and he later evolved to village style based on his experience. Did the 3 forms come first? Then this probably was a personal evolution.
Never heard of this information about wing chun. Learn something new everyday!!
I'd love to hear a discussion on other kung fu styles that use the butterfly swords and on the perceived Hakkanese influence on Wing Chun.
Would love to see one of these types of interviews/episodes for other Kung Fu systems/styles.
That was a good one
First video of the year. Happy 2023!
Great history lesson. Although Beerdy may have unseen footage he restored😑🤣
Talk about Chinese whispers. Why should we not be surprised. Even my sifu , who trained under Tsui Shong Tin from the early 60’s until his passing called the first form sui lim tau. Although Tsui always referred to it as sui nim tau. Similarly my sifu after teaching for over 12 years realised several movements which were repeated twice needed to be done 3 times in the first and second forms . And William Cheung who was also taught by Tsui Shong Tin demonstrates his forms which are very elaborate but only resemble Tsui Shong Tin slightly. We’ll never know the answers to the history of this system. Wong Shung Leung didn’t follow the Yim Wing Chun story/fable. He probably wasn’t too concerned. Tsui Shong Tin , Wong’s older brother , held firm to this story. Interesting.
Having taught a lot more women than men with wing Chun I believe wing Chun was invented by a women. The movements fit female anatomy better.
Referring to the first 20 minutes of that podcast: Same thing on Weng Chun platform - there was no Weng Chun before 1850's as we know it today. Each individual had only a concepts and basic hand techniques to work on. All what connected them and their methods was practice with the long pole and wooden dummy as a tribute to Chi Sim. Each family had only basic hand sets later developed into the form. That form has been later separated into 3 sections as we know: SNT, CHK, BCh. All school Weng Chun lineages keep only one form in their curriculum. Most of the elders WC guys come from solid Hung Gar background and this is why you can see influences coming from. The rest is very secretive that most of chinese masters won't to share
Jiu Wan lineage says in the old days Wing Chun was practiced with or like Hung Gar. IMO, this makes more sense considering the arts are reputed to have the same founders in myth. Some like the Yik Kam line have a very obvious Hung Gar flavor. There are also the 12 bridging hands practiced that resemble Wing Chun a lot.
@@bigwavesun in my lineages some Sifus told me that Hung Gar people as well others were practicing WC in secrecy besides their own tradition
Wonderful depth of historical ideas, great to hear it all together.
Alternate idea: The concept of 12 Hands or using forms was regional already, and Dr. Leung Jan or his sons changed their labels to fit each local market. Whatever the teacher tried to teach, the local region might "hear" it only their own way over time. Chicken vs the egg in historical research. Also with the poem, only the first two lines remain pure. "Jut Sau?? YOU MEAN FOOK SAU!?!? Why have you been saying Jut Sau for the last hour?" It happens in the very room we teach a lesson in sometimes,.....
Same with the double flashy long swords and pike, regional requirements that may have been added to Little Idea boxing because the Foshan area expected it. "Nice boxing, but if I am going to take a lesson I need to see your spear, sword, and pike skills too..."
It makes a lot of sense that the dummy being a protractor, so the wooden pole and sharpened swords coming afterwards should follow this concept "to improve boxing" and not become things of their own. I remember reading Uncle only had an Apricot Wooden sword when we left the main land.
Nice Conversation.
Didn't expect to hear Master Ku and the Cho Family lineage on this channel since they are quite secretive.
This is why i don’t buy two well known noisemakers online claims.
@TheKungFuGenius Personally, I ignore most arguments or just watch without joining in.
If the argument ended up getting interesting, I would just watch clips from the people involved to learn more on each side and their perspectives. Sometimes, the people who originally sound absurd can bring unique insights when I finally found out why they arrived at their current conclusions.
Then again, there are also those who have fun fairy tales to tell that are essentially an extremely dramatic retelling of something stupid but highly memorable.
Sifu Rodelando is second to none. ✊🏻
This was a good conversation. Fun and interesting. The system as transmitted from Leung Jan has for me always been a complete combat system. I have understood it as Leung Jan being a Doctor or "bone setter" in Fujian. His geography put him in a highly martially active area at a time of great unrest and movement in the politics of Southern and greater China. Rumors of his participation in the uprisings and civil unrest of surrounding periods aside, he was well disciplined and highly exposed to martial arts and martial occupations. His system was born of this. The system itself (Wing Chun as we have it) is designed to inform the student of the body and its capabilities in generating force and structure while navigating time and space in the martial context. Observing the martial occupations of the historical place and time offers a great deal of support for the system being derived from real contemporary combat and martial occupations (in my opinion). I think that as the politics moved forward and uprisings came and went. The national politics begin to shift. Martial arts lethality is likely to have needed to be tamed in order to survive the politics as the Republican period came and went. Early in the the nationalist and republican fervor the movement for a national martial arts was big. I think the systems and styles or products we look back to today are more a result of this than the romantic legends we receive in tradition. No one is asking me but I think that a complete martial arts training system (ranged combat, weapons, pugilism, grappling) would have been the standard of family systems. It would certainly have been the standard of local society and community militia training. Which again is my opinion. But I think the history does support the thinking. It also explains the secrecy and storytelling that becomes the standard of Kung Fu School mythology.
Anyway, I love what you are doing. Wing Chun and the martial arts are so rich with story and history. Thank you for promoting it and keeping the conversation going.
If you haven't already had them on your show or read their book, The Creation of Wing Chun, I think you would be a great interviewer of Jon Nielsen and Ben Judkins. Their book is fantastic. I think you would find it very interesting and would find them very interesting to talk to. Jon is my Sifu and Ben is my Wing Chun Big Brother. So I might be biased, lol. They are both really great to work with and super knowledgeable. This is the link to the publisher for their book, sunypress.edu/Books/T/The-Creation-of-Wing-Chun2 but it's available at a lot of college book stores and on amazon.
Very interesting wing Chun history...
That's the problem with Chinese Martial Arts in general, is that, they are shrouded in myths and legends and fairy tales. My father used to tell me all kinds of stories about Martial Art. The truth is no one knows the true begining (origin) of Wing Chun. Remember that Wing Chun means "Beautiful Spring", which doesn't imply anything about being Martial Art. The same with the name Shoalin, which means "Young Forest". I believe Wing Chun, like those of all Chinese Martial Arts, has been modified from generation to generation. The originals are temporary.
I really enjoyed this episode very educational.Zero hot nonsense.
I presume normal service will be resumed next time!
I've a question for you...Mr KFG.
Who taught Bruce lee how to do high kicks.?
Emperor of the Flying Guillotine
With a title like that there's going to be a whole lot of hot nonsense. Not just from UA-cam.
Happy new year to you Mr KFG and the crew
Took me a couple of days but finally found time to watch very interesting and informative love the origin of his particular branch of wc but have hard time visualizing a 4'11 90lbs guy being able to deal much damage without weapons but I've also learned to never underestimate a little dude 😂
If you listen closely, they were no claims about what this style could do for Wong Wah Saam, the claim was only that the style had to be modified for this particular person. No one said he was taking out 7 foot tall dudes with this technology. We always have to be careful with assumptions.
@KFG: Is that 12-Side-Body-Hands stuff that style, GM Kernspecht was introduced to before he met GM Leung Ting? He mentioned it as "Seitliches Wing Chun".
Original Hung Kuen was a short bridge and narrow stance pre Wong Fei Hung.
Ive seen a 12 bridges of Hung Kuen video, looks very close to what Wing Chun looks like now.
I spent a lot of time in wing chun
Chow Gar southern mantis has a lot of the style incorporated into it though it’s a much broader traditional style
Hi sifu Alex happy new year , The late Alan lamb sifu had the theory about the three forms being longer. , also. I know of a late famous kali teacher in. The Philippines, whom said. That a lot of other systems, non w c , had these , movement but lost them. ? Maybe boxer rebellion?
I'm at 0:21 and I just drove through Peabody on way back from BOS. I remember you getting into a conversation when we were there that went like Student: "It's right after PeeeBeeeDeee". KFG "We're somewhere called Peabody...". Student: "That's what I said SiHing, Peeebeeedeee". I was just giggling about this two hours ago.
That blew my mind!
My theory to all the different yet similar forms we see, is something that sifi Roselano touched on, and that is that it just seems very evident to me and more a possibility that all these masters who later learned wing chun, already had come from a previous art or that since they were exposed to seeing so many, that its not unfathomable to think they mixed in some of their own to create their own unique brand of wing chun. In other words, there is no pure style persay nor a wrong style of wing because its all from personal experience and interpretation. Lets Look at bruce lee for example. His wing chun in my opinion simply evolved into what he called jeet kun do, aka...way of the intercepting fist. But isn't that what wing chun is essentially, ie...an art of interception, which bruce still kept at its core by they way. I've also seen my own brothers under the same teacher, gone on to develop what they've learned and add more to it to where its no longer what we learned together. They've branched into their own individual expression or interpretation of the same art to where its their own unique brand you can say. So imagine the same happening with all previous masters before us throughout the entire life span of the art since its creation.
My only question that really intrigues me really, is the origin story. If we all believe that it started in shaolin, with the nun ng mui, then why do some wing chun forms dont resemble or look shaolin as all the other shoalin arts resemble one another, while there are some wing chun forms that do resemble shaolin like the red boat society wing chun and william chun who claims that yip man taught him what leung bik claimed to be the real wing chung as his father taught him but purposely modefied as the story goes from yip mans own mouth himself? I also see too the same in terms of more footwork in Sifu Tam Woon Biu form as well which would be right in line with shaolin forms, thus supporting its from shaolin originally. So its not stagnant or stationary at all. There's lots of side stepping and movement as are all shaolin forms that share same basic fundamental movements in form and application. Any thoughts on this?
Pretty sure wing chun was a specific type of arhat boxing mixing several styles of corridor boxing. The reason why I think this is because if you do the Shaolin horse stance and chambered hands at the hips and throw punches turning the hands over forward and backwards it's the same movement as chi sau. So it's definitely Shaolin king fu just a new creation of it. And if you look at bong lap da with a gan sau change it is arhat boxing. Just a idea but pretty sure it was the new creation of Shaolin
“Shaolin” as a birthplace for Chinese martial arts is a pretty incoherent myth. It’s extremely easy to make connections between movements and patterns within regional styles of martial arts without that being proof that it came from one specific Buddhist temple. Shaolin myths are mostly plagiarized from Hung Mun’s highly fictionalize history meaning that it is a myth that is plagiarized from another myth. To use this as the foundational tenets of actual history is shaky at best.
You are entirely correct if you really want learn wing chuns origins you're going to have to go on a journey that isn't in China.
@mattbugg4568 oh snap bro
I think Fook and Bruce were friends. Fook probably helped Bruce a lot coming to America. But Fook was older, wiser. Bruce was young and wanted to fight. A lot of Fooks stuff is based on Tai Chi. Bruce did not like Tai Chi. Imagine Bruce, young, fuel of rage wanting to spend a second on Tai Chi in America. I am sure, they traded knowledge. The story is more complicated than your summary. I doubt he used one single technique from Fook in his Wong Jack Man fight. That was all what he had learned from Wong Shun Leung and thus, why he wanted to meet with Wong when he went back to Hong Kong to show him "Jeet Kune Do." Leo Fong, James Demile, Jesse Glover, etc, share this idea as well.
Im not a great martial artist. Yet I was a martial art amateur scholar. I read everything I could on many Chinese martial arts I could find. I believe from my research. Wing Chun was once a internal martial art. The creator was a female. Her first student was a female. It makes more sense. When Wing Chun husband began to teach the art to men. I believe the internal knowledge didn't get past down or maybe it was kept secret for special students. Just my opinion.
Thanks for your comment.
Please share this research so that it can see the light of day.
However those who still believe that the art was created by a nun and a female disciple are akin to those who still believe in Santa Claus into late adulthood. That story is a plagiarized myth of which numerous other styles share almost identical creation stories just with the names and dates change it around a bit. No serious researcher believes that anymore.
But as for your research that the art was once internal, I would love to see that. The hearsay of instructors who promote that idea is not evidence, however. Research should be based on evidence and facts, not feelings and opinions.
I would suggest watching the martial man channel on the Wu Mei (Ng Mui) art. She allegedly had one hand cut off which would explain why wing chun techniques are so efficient. Also when watching it, there are obvious connections between Wu Mei & wing chun.
Yes, many Cantonese/Hakka/Fujianese based arts have tons of crossover for obvious regional reasons. Ng Mui could not cut anything off, she’s a fairly tale character, plagiarized from other stories.
So here's my take, we don't know who originally started wing chun, there is no historical evidence to base anything off of. Having said that, we do know that many "fairy tales" have a basis in reality. For example the American folk tale of John Henry. Although the accuracy of what he did is in debate, there is very little doubt the man did live and worked on a railroad. Since people are not in the habit of making people who aren't important, important, it stands to reason that John Henry was at least a very capable railroad worker. The Same could be said for Ng Mui. While I'm not saying she did exist, your insistence that she is a mere fairy tale is precisely the same level of belief that a person holds who does believe in her. Do not be so quick to judge on things you have no evidence one way or the other for.@@TheKungFuGenius
The one making the claim is the one that says a plagiarized fairy tale character existed. If you make a claim she existed then you hold the burden of proof, not me. The fact that there is no evidence for her is not also somehow evidence that she could’ve existed. This is not how historical method works. There are also a number of very obvious problems with the story including the fact that nuns do not live in monasteries, which are for monks, they live in nunneries. There are multiple factual errors with the fairytale (both regional and timeline issues) and there’s absolutely no evidence to support her existence beyond these silly myths. Fictionalized history or euhemerization does not imbue credence.
@@TheKungFuGenius You know I had a nice rebuttal all lined up & I was about to post it when I realized this is not worth my time. Grow up & quit being an asshole to people.
When people push back on fairytales because they demand evidence, you don’t get to be upset and pretend you have a point. I would’ve loved to of read this “rebuttal“.
Steve Gray says Fook Yueng taught him Tien Shan Qi gong. Steve Gray supposedly died from covid this year past. It is unclear to me who, if anyone was transmitted the full Tien Shan system, Though this body practices level 1.
I have his book, and let’s say, Mr. Gray said a lot of things. I’ll leave it at that.
Well, talking about imitation, you know since we’re on the subject right, I remember when I was younger in school, there seemed to be some talk and some sense that one thing that could help in preventing a fight, so kinda self defense, before an argument will escalate, that if you could scare the bully or person wanting to fight in the streets, that you could intimidate by getting into a karate stance, even if you don’t know any, or wearing Kung fu clothes, maybe getting a tattoo to look like a tough guy, pretty much like putting up a front, showing off, posing like you’re tough, do you think this is or was helpful, showing strength and confidence, even if you not really that tough, or does this bring the wrong attention, especially if someone decides to call your bluff, “So you want to see how good your Kung Fu is”,
Why is it that you don’t see people walking around in their gi or Dobok, but it seems that the Kung Fu shirt and pants is worn around, in some martial arts they have a uniform to change to in the class separately from their regular clothes, is there a uniform in Chinese styles that you use just for class but not on a regular basis everyday
Absolutely love this podcast. By far the best podcast on martial arts and Bruce Lee. I have a question for a future episode. Was Game of Death originally intended to be shown to western audiences? Unlike Bruce's previous Golden Harvest movies, the dialogue is in English. I know all these films are filmed in silence anyway and dubbed over but in John Little's 'A Warrior's Journey' the English dialogue fits the movement of their lips which shows that Bruce intended for the film to be done in English. In one scene he even says to Danny Inosanto "do you speak any English?"
Just wanted to know what your thoughts were on this. Was Bruce originally going to use this film to break into Hollywood?
Keep up the great work guys!
It's funny how Jim said about leung jan having multiple wives with multiple children. I study wc at a Leung chun based school in Australia. Central Coast Wing Chun. Do you know if leung chun is one of Leung jans children? I know our version of the system was bought to Australia by a guy named Juno chun. And isn't part of the yip man line. Juno chun wasn't his real name I remember reading that it was a name he went by in Australia. Thanks kfg awesome show once again.
Mark white central coast nsw Australia
Member of Central coast wing chun.
Where are the Ryazan descendants today?
According to the Liang Shenyuan Tang Genealogy provided by Mr. Liang Wenle, Liang Zan had nine sons and eight daughters.
The eldest son, Liang Yuanfu, named Enhua, was born into the Pan family. He was born in the fifth year of Xianfeng (1855) and died on November 15 in the fourth year of Guangxu (1879). Liang Yuanfu learned martial arts from his father since he was a child and went to Vietnam to do business with his father, but he was only 24 when he died and had a son.
The second son, Liang Bihe, also called Liang Bi, was born in the Zheng family. Born on June 2 of the seventh year of Xianfeng (1857), he died on September 22 of the first year of the Republic of China (1911) at the age of 55. Liang Bihe learned martial arts from his father since he was a child, and his martial arts skills are the best among his brothers. At first, he followed his father to do business in Nanyang for several years, and then founded Guanghe Huayang Grocery Company in Hong Kong from scratch, which has been in operation for more than 20 years. In addition to passing down martial arts to his son Liang Tengchao (Liang Xinpei), Liang Bihe also met Ip Man in Hong Kong in 1909 and passed down the family knowledge of him, which became a good story in the arts. martial.
The third son, Liang Cixian, named Xianhua, was born in the Pan family and has no heirs.
The fourth son, Liang Yuchun, also called Liang Chun, whose style name is Maohua, was born in the Zheng family. He was born on April 12, the ninth year of Tongzhi, and died on August 11, the fourth year of the ROC, at the age of 54. Liang Yuchun inherited his father's martial and medical skills and was quite medically virtuous. Later, he went into business and had six sons and three daughters.
Liang Zan's fifth son Zhonghua, sixth son Shuhua, and eighth son Nianhua all died young. The seven sons were named Liang Gaoming, style name Yuhua, born in the Bochen year of Tongzhi, and had two sons. The nine children, Liang Baijiu, whose name is Shihuan, whose name is Zhicheng, and whose name is Zhulin, were kidnapped and sold to Xinhui when they were young when their mother, Zheng Shigu, asked others to breastfeed him.
Liang Bi has two sons, the eldest son Liang Zhaohong, whose name is Xinpei, and another name is Tengchao. Born in the 6th year of Guangxu and died in the 25th year of the Republic of China, he was an expert in martial arts. In addition to running the Guanghe Company left behind by his father, he also created the Zhonghe Company. In 1929, he went out of business due to the economic downturn and died of depression. Liang Zhaohong's descendants are now established in mainland China, Hong Kong, the United States and Canada, etc. Liang Zhaohong's son Liang Wenle, now in his 90s, has settled in Hong Kong, Liang Zhaohong's granddaughter Liang Li'e has settled in Canada, and his granddaughter Liang Cainu settled in the South China Sea. Liang Bihe's second son, Liang Zhaoqiu, whose style name was Dingpei, and another style name was Naichao, was born in the twelfth year of Guangxu.
梁赞宗师不同阶段传下的武术。历史渊源，
班中少林
少林永春
咏春拳
Martial arts passed down by Grandmaster Leung Jan at different stages. Historical Origins,
Hung Suen Shàolín (Red Boat Shaolin)
Shaolin Weng Chun
Wing Chun Kuen
Indisputable proof that simplified characters are just awful 😂
Great videos, good information, now, here’s a Drysun hypo, hippo?, hicup, no wait hypothetical, ok anyway, in one of your videos I saw, a Drison question about you finding a secret or lost book, writing, papers, diary or journal from Yip Man, but it wasn’t clear what it contained, I don’t think it was mentioned what the writings were about, even though you did ask if it was recipes, he just said you find the book and what do you do, you said you would make copies or print and publish it, so going off of that, you find these writings, doesn’t matter how, if you traveled in time or another dimension, or it just appeared in your home or you found it in some hidden compartment, you have it and start to read and it’s something that could change the Wing Chun word, for better or worse it depends on how it’s interpreted by everyone and if they believe it’s real or not or not sure of your intentions, so anyway it says that the Wing Chun everyone has been doing is either not the real thing or a watered down version, that the tru WC is only from father to son, or that he didn’t really know WC and just made it up, or that these secrets were not for his time but sometime in the future, how do you know if your the one meant to share it in your timeline or someone else in the future, or maybe he wrote that he has info on the original writings of WC from the past hidden somewhere but hasn’t found it yet, you try to look for it but after so long it seems it’s not there, maybe a few more feet it would be found, maybe a little to the left but you already past it, maybe it’s already disintegrated, or maybe it doesn’t exist, pop quiz hot shot, so what do you do, do you put it back and see if someone else will bring it out, do you keep it In secret, do you destroy it, after all so far it seems WC is doing pretty good, or do you run out into the streets yelling Extra extra! Read all about it, we have to redo everything and start from the beginning, you could be the revolutionary that changed WC or the one who brought it down, do you try to travel to the past to talk to Yip Man about it, dun! Dun…. duuun, and Drey, if you’re reading this question don’t point to it cause it seems that makes it look like you’re making it up, also on some Dreyson questions you explain and say so much detail without looking at the screen so it looks like you’re making it up, maybe that’s why, just show them on the screen, so anyway like the content, you are all doing a good job, good work Mikey D, ok so maybe now you can point at the screen, and that’s all I’m going to ask about that
25:13 Is it possible that YIM WING CHUN or NG MUI who supposedly saw a CRANE and SNAKE fighting actually saw a CRANE KUNG FU against a SNAKE KUNG FU? 🐉🙏😉
It’s not possible that they even existed as people
@@TheKungFuGenius if hung hei goon founder of hung kuen did exist his grave is in Guangdong so I'm not sure if all they stories are made up.
well, I hate people that get mad for hearing other opinion. but I wont say people that say other history from the one this guy is talking are making up history. they have their own base thinking, taking from other perspective, maybe seeing similarities and stuff. even after hearing this, I can still see the possibility that this technique is thaught by wu mei to wing chun
Oh you believe the fairy tale plagiarized from multiple sources? Also why would a Canton area style have a founder with a mandarin name?
Martial arts attracts prolific liars.
It would seem to me that if you wanted to teach the practical applications as quick as possible, then you wouldn't put techniques into a form & instead work on individual techniques one at a time. Also before a form is made you have to have individual techniques that you can string together for a form. So maybe it's that Leung Jan, who was old at the time, simply didn't have the time or the patience to teach the forms to & instead just taught the techniques one or two at a time.
Doubtful the original art had forms like today - forms are a codification that can only be developed after the style is built.
Good ep, but sorry, I like the ones with Dre and you and the badinage between you two. better.
Yes there is bogus information & teaching on Wing Chun.
Look at Vietnam style Wing Chun, not correct Wing Chun.
I've noticed your guest say he believes alot ....if something is true it is not a belief....stick to what you know....apart from that great show.
History/anthropology has different standards than the hard sciences. History does not deal with "facts" it can only speculate on what might have been.
@@Caim433 who's HIStory
Because he cannot verify it, he has to say it’s his belief. That is being more intellectually, honest than saying it is such and such. He has a high bar for what verifiable facts are. People don’t like uncertainty and therefore they take issue with this kind of language and would prefer just to be lied to by someone who says things as facts.
@@TheKungFuGenius yes I understand that but there are too many beliefs being told at school....I'm trying to teach my seven year old that if something is true it isn't a belief it's a fact ....if you cannot verify something just put it on pending that's all.... otherwise we will have a nation of followers and not thinkers ... religion proves this ..... Bruce Lee is my inspiration and I try to live my life the same way ....I'm an individual experiencing life living in the moment making sense of what's going on around me.... sticking to what I know to be true like the mechanics of water for example.... better go now got a nappy to change lol ... always a fan.... Glyn
Saying “my belief” illustrates a thought process. Leaves room for new insights.