I have an old whirlpool duet front loader. I use my pecron e600lfp for it. It has a 1200w inverter runs it every week for laundry day. My machine only goes up to like 484 watts at the most. My machine is like 2006 or so. The newer machines are probably even lower. The difference in energy use on appliances is substantial comparing new to old. The major setback on newer machines is they will never last as long as that kenmore you have. Your machine is a Sherman tank. The other difference is a front loader doesn't have all that water in it while it spins like a top loader has. Great video as always!
Is that a beautiful very functional gorgeous washing machine or what? Many controls. So lovely noble machine. Today’s water saving ones take longer and do a worse job. I was an expert jockey on an electric washer with the tub and oscillator and the fast centrifuge to wring the wash. That was my house chore Saturdays and I’m more than lucky that I got a few good warnings, but never broke/lost a finger while doing shenanigans with that centrifuge. This, but just with an inverter control for the motor (soft start, easier on the motor, clothes, the electric grid or batteries), would be what I want in a washing machine.
Great video! You have a great washing machine. Those Kenmore units were a solid build. Probably will last you at least 10 more years. I'd be concerned about the inaccurate reading of power draw on the inverter.
Ran a Washer with a Jackery 500. Took a Oupes 1800 to run my gas dryer because of a very large current draw to get the drum rotating with wet laundry and the ignitor. The Oupes 1800 has a peak of 4000W.
I have a top load Speed Queen and the start up amps was too high for my first solar generator (9.5 amps AC if I recall correctly ) . An important consideration if one suffers a power outage, as you demonstrated .
An energy star rated washer will only use 1/2 as much power total and surge to 1400 watts.I did it with an 1800 watt inverter on Bluetti ac180 as a test.
I like that battery alot. I wonder if you can answer this question, why does DC draw so much power compared to AC. I looked up how much a Washing Machine draws and the answer was Washing machine,10 amps @ 2200 watts
It’s not 10amps @ 2200 watts. You use 220v at 10a = 2200 watt Here is your comparison 110v (USA) at 20a = 2200 watt 12v Battery at 183a = 2200 watt Take Watt and divide by your source voltage. That’s your amp draw. While your inverter may deliver 220v or 110v, the real source is the battery. That why you get away with using a 10awg cable from inverter to load, but need a 1/0 cable from battery to inverter. So it’s always the same power, but your source voltage is the weak link
The reason is that I'm working with 12v DC. Your AC is 220v. To reach 2200w you divide the watts by volts. AC = 10 amps while DC = 183 amps! It's all about the difference in voltage. Hope that makes sense.
Your Washer uses almost 3 times more power then my newer power queen. In a long term grid down situation you may not be able to afford to run that beast. Especially during the winter when it's cloudy most of the time. Did a load of wash with the Jackery 500 and only used 55Wh.
Our clothes don't get nearly as dirty and sweaty during the winter, but drying them on a clothesline becomes nearly impossible. I suppose that's a whole nuther video.
These numbers are crazy, our newish washing machine only pulls around 180W while power factor is around 0.5. So 350W or something. But the thing is it is not a constant pull, so it gets to 0 and go up all the time. But in total, for a cyle that is 80 min, the power usage is around 0.1 KWh. Which is very good. Or it is around 1.5-2 cents for each cycle.
My experience is you need to run a washing machine with at least 1200 W inverter, I’ve tried all kinds and you need at least this much as cycles push beyond 1000 W easily!
On the AC side, yes. The DC side would be dependent on the wire gauge between the inverter and the battery. I used 2awg wire so I would've used a 150A fuse on the positive wire.
The inverter is correct not the battery. The wasmachine use that power but it go in pulse systeem to make it . I think that electro motor is a 1000 watt model. By pulsing the Electro motor do 500 watts The battey do not see that pulls . Its to fast for it .
Wow. And now switch it over to warm or hot washing program. 😄 My Samsung (230V model) needs for a warm washing 2400W at least 10 to 20 Minutes to heat up the Water and then less than 180W for the rest (2-2,5hrs) turning the motor an pump water. That wouldn't work with this inverter.
This washer doesn't heat the water. It just uses the hot water from the house. You're, right. I don't think this setup would pull it off. Thanks for sharing and the comment.
Like he said... these new fancy washers and dryers with all the digital controls and sensors(costing upwards of $1000 or more) will cost you a fortune when they break. And that's even if you can find tepair parts because these mfrs purposely make the parts NO INTERCHANGEABLE from year to year and discontinue models quite early to limit available repair parts and force you to buy the next newest overpriced/over engineered piece of junk. Similar to fridges and other appliances.
I tried this a while back. The single 12v 100Ah is fine for pretty much any wash. It's the dryer that'll get you, so the second part was *really* off grid. I used a rotary washing line and a bag of pegs and have been doing it this way for a year now and it's great provided the weather's good. Smells so clean :) ua-cam.com/video/vCSK00alEYo/v-deo.html
Amazing. This type of demo is what you should do more of. Real world tests are gold.
I'm glad you got something out of it. I like doing those types of videos. Thanks for the comment.
These real world usage tests are very helpfull. Thanks for doing this.
You're welcome! Thanks for the comment.
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I can’t believe you actually tested this with a single battery. I never doubted the inverter, I doubted the battery.
i like this battery
I did a review on the battery and tested the limits. I had confidence! Thanks for the comment.
your brain works backwards... to me it seems the inverter spitting out higher numbers to cover its own Arse..
@@OffGridBasement I saw that video. I would still have used two batteries.
I have an old whirlpool duet front loader. I use my pecron e600lfp for it. It has a 1200w inverter runs it every week for laundry day. My machine only goes up to like 484 watts at the most. My machine is like 2006 or so. The newer machines are probably even lower. The difference in energy use on appliances is substantial comparing new to old. The major setback on newer machines is they will never last as long as that kenmore you have. Your machine is a Sherman tank. The other difference is a front loader doesn't have all that water in it while it spins like a top loader has. Great video as always!
Thanks for sharing and the comment!
Is that a beautiful very functional gorgeous washing machine or what?
Many controls. So lovely noble machine.
Today’s water saving ones take longer and do a worse job.
I was an expert jockey on an electric washer with the tub and oscillator and the fast centrifuge to wring the wash.
That was my house chore Saturdays and I’m more than lucky that I got a few good warnings, but never broke/lost a finger while doing shenanigans with that centrifuge.
This, but just with an inverter control for the motor (soft start, easier on the motor, clothes, the electric grid or batteries), would be what I want in a washing machine.
Thank you for sharing and the comment!
Thank you for this informative demonstration,
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the comment.
Nice vid . My BLUETTI EB3A will do the same with my 20 year old kenmore 4.2 front loader. Can actually use warm/cold and medium spin
Thanks for sharing and the comment.
Great video! You have a great washing machine. Those Kenmore units were a solid build. Probably will last you at least 10 more years. I'd be concerned about the inaccurate reading of power draw on the inverter.
Thanks! I do need to find out what's going on with the inverter meter. It's sometimes dead-on and sometimes it way off. Thanks for the comment.
Ran a Washer with a Jackery 500. Took a Oupes 1800 to run my gas dryer because of a very large current draw to get the drum rotating with wet laundry and the ignitor. The Oupes 1800 has a peak of 4000W.
Didn't think about the power needed for the dryer drum! Thanks for sharing and for the comment.
I have a top load Speed Queen and the start up amps was too high for my first solar generator (9.5 amps AC if I recall correctly ) . An important consideration if one suffers a power outage, as you demonstrated .
Thanks for sharing and the comment!
I have the same washer and tested it on different speed for the watts and amps
Did it make a big difference?
An energy star rated washer will only use 1/2 as much power total and surge to 1400 watts.I did it with an 1800 watt inverter on Bluetti ac180 as a test.
Thanks for the info and the comment.
I like that battery alot. I wonder if you can answer this question, why does DC draw so much power compared to AC. I looked up how much a Washing Machine draws and the answer was
Washing machine,10 amps @ 2200 watts
It’s not 10amps @ 2200 watts.
You use 220v at 10a = 2200 watt
Here is your comparison
110v (USA) at 20a = 2200 watt
12v Battery at 183a = 2200 watt
Take Watt and divide by your source voltage. That’s your amp draw.
While your inverter may deliver 220v or 110v, the real source is the battery. That why you get away with using a 10awg cable from inverter to load, but need a 1/0 cable from battery to inverter.
So it’s always the same power, but your source voltage is the weak link
@@TheCornucopiaProject-bd5jk thank you
The reason is that I'm working with 12v DC. Your AC is 220v. To reach 2200w you divide the watts by volts. AC = 10 amps while DC = 183 amps! It's all about the difference in voltage. Hope that makes sense.
@@OffGridBasement thanks man
Your Washer uses almost 3 times more power then my newer power queen. In a long term grid down situation you may not be able to afford to run that beast. Especially during the winter when it's cloudy most of the time. Did a load of wash with the Jackery 500 and only used 55Wh.
Wow! That's a big difference. Thanks for sharing!
Our clothes don't get nearly as dirty and sweaty during the winter, but drying them on a clothesline becomes nearly impossible. I suppose that's a whole nuther video.
These numbers are crazy, our newish washing machine only pulls around 180W while power factor is around 0.5. So 350W or something. But the thing is it is not a constant pull, so it gets to 0 and go up all the time. But in total, for a cyle that is 80 min, the power usage is around 0.1 KWh. Which is very good. Or it is around 1.5-2 cents for each cycle.
That's really good! Thanks for sharing and the comment.
Great vid!
Thank you!
My experience is you need to run a washing machine with at least 1200 W inverter, I’ve tried all kinds and you need at least this much as cycles push beyond 1000 W easily!
Thanks for the info and the comment!
I understand it can power the whole load... however how much time it can run? Can it go up to 11 hour with no sweat at all?
It can usually run for about 5 loads with 100ah battery. The inverter won't have any issues. Hope that helps!
what size cabling are you using between the battery and the inverter. Just curious.
I was using 2awg cabling between the battery and inverter.
Could the inverter be showing VA as watts? A washer that old probably has nowhere near a 1.0 power factor. Hence, the different readings?
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That's a good point. I should compare it to another meter to find out. Thanks for the idea.
I have cold washmachine . (3.5 kilo)
Just heat some water drop it in .
And it only use 200 watts on 230 volt .
Cheap.
Easy
Sun try the rest
Perfect for an off grid lifestyle. Thanks for the comment.
Wonder front loading vs top, on power surges.
I sure it's different for every washing machine. Thanks for the comment.
Staring my solar system here in Tijuana
That's exciting! Have fun and be safe.
You just can't beat those old Kenmore washers. Anything past that is just going downhill.
I've repaired more times than I count, but it just keeps running! Thanks for the comment.
how did your wire not melt with 130+ amps going through it
I doubled up the wiring so each wire had 65A. No problem. Thanks for the comment.
Well i know which inverter NOT to buy... already seems like a gimic them doubling what the actual wattage is... Probably a 1000W sold as a 2000w
The inverter is actually pretty nice, but the built in watt meter is garbage! Thanks for the comment.
On 20 amp circuit breakers?
On the AC side, yes. The DC side would be dependent on the wire gauge between the inverter and the battery. I used 2awg wire so I would've used a 150A fuse on the positive wire.
Why not test the dryer?? Much more power?
The dryer is 240v. Way too much power needed for what I had currently setup for the washer. Thanks for the comment.
The inverter is correct not the battery.
The wasmachine use that power but it go in pulse systeem to make it .
I think that electro motor is a 1000 watt model.
By pulsing the Electro motor do 500 watts
The battey do not see that pulls .
Its to fast for it .
Interesting...
Thanks for the information and the comment.
Wow. And now switch it over to warm or hot washing program. 😄
My Samsung (230V model) needs for a warm washing 2400W at least 10 to 20 Minutes to heat up the Water and then less than 180W for the rest (2-2,5hrs) turning the motor an pump water. That wouldn't work with this inverter.
This washer doesn't heat the water. It just uses the hot water from the house. You're, right. I don't think this setup would pull it off. Thanks for sharing and the comment.
Convert a ringer washer to 12vdc is the least amount of power.
Thanks for the comment.
nice
Thanks!
I can't believe you are actually holding on to this kind of washer.
This thing is going to run forever! Also, when it breaks down, it's easy to fix! Thanks for the comment.
Like he said... these new fancy washers and dryers with all the digital controls and sensors(costing upwards of $1000 or more) will cost you a fortune when they break. And that's even if you can find tepair parts because these mfrs purposely make the parts NO INTERCHANGEABLE from year to year and discontinue models quite early to limit available repair parts and force you to buy the next newest overpriced/over engineered piece of junk. Similar to fridges and other appliances.
I tried this a while back. The single 12v 100Ah is fine for pretty much any wash. It's the dryer that'll get you, so the second part was *really* off grid. I used a rotary washing line and a bag of pegs and have been doing it this way for a year now and it's great provided the weather's good. Smells so clean :) ua-cam.com/video/vCSK00alEYo/v-deo.html
Thanks for sharing and for the comment.