This is my first time watching these guys. Seems like a great show and will definitely be tuning in going forward. This was a TRUE sports debate and I enjoyed every second.
Same! All 3 made really good points. Gonna start checking in to see their takes more frequently. I didn’t know Emmanuel Acho was on a show. I have always appreciated his thoughts on sports
I just want to commend both of you gentlemen and Joe Klatt as well. You provide some of the most entertaining, articulate and relatable sports commentary. Not yelling and hollering and crazy antics but real insightful analysis. This was one of my favorite clips because this delved deep into social commentary. Thank you for this and keep up the continued excellence.
Considering what Kelly did with the academic restrictions Notre Dame has, it's pretty remarkable. Now he goes to a Power 5 that doesn't have those hangups and will be able to recruit from a larger pool, Kelly might create a beast at LSU.
No “might” He has a lot of hungry in state players with talent that want to go to LSU alone plus there is a big pool of talent in JUCO. LSU won’t deny him taking chances on pure talent with light issues
Can someone please explain to me what makes Brian Kelly so great? Yea he made a championship game but they got smoked and that was the end so please someone tell me why is this the “GUY”
@@michaelstrickland3568 then you have to look at the video and re read our posts. OR THINK OF IT THIS WAY. Derrick Henry go hard playing for the Titans what if he played for the Ravens.
as an idealist, ocho preaching, you gave me your word, and in recruiting me, you made me promises, and leaving halfway through a season, breaks that.(if i was a player on that team) but klatt is keeping it real, even if i dont like it.
if we praise players for doing what is best for them we have to praise the coaches too otherwise it's hypocrisy. kids shouldn't go to school for a coach they should go for the program the location, the situation. Now if a great coach leaves it changes the situation but regardless of who comes in to replace brian kelly he built a great program with good recruiting classes the next coach will still be coaching a team that can go 10 wins or more next year.
ND is a terrible example to make, cause of what and who they are. there is no other program like them. and although i can praise both(players and coaches), i can judge them differently, cause the situation of a coach and player are completely different. with great power comes great responsibility, though. a general leaving an army halfway through a war(and that is what kelly did in comparison) isnt the same as a regiment doing so....
I think they should play the bowl game. It’s bad for your team. Your team just lost there coach out of the blue and now are expected to play there hearts out for a intern coach? But the team the coach is hired to already fired there coach. The only factor besides having a coach (intern coaches) is recruiting. The NCAA outlaws stupid stuff but not ruining another school season and bowl game by stealing there coach.
@@peytoncofer players shouldn’t be playing their hearts out for their coach they should be doing it for themselves and their future. The coach is just there for extra motivation
I’m not buying the argument that everyone would have chased the money. An individual whose word is his bond would have seen the season through to its end, and not abandoned his team. Worse, that self-interested move compromised Notre Dame’s ranking in the CFP. There’s nothing in Brian Kelly’s actions here to be praised.
He didn’t leave for your praise he left for generation wealth and a opportunity to do what he does at the highest level 😂 sounds like a dream come true he probably feels terrible about the kids but that’s way too much to just pass on
Call me radical, call me naive, but the truth still matters to me. A man's word still matters to me, and it always will. If there were extraordinary circumstances like Kelly was broke, that would be one thing, but Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley were both multi-millionaires who were already going to be set for life BEFORE they left ND and Oklahoma respectively, so the money issue doesn't resonate with me as a justifiable reason for doing what they both did. They both already had LOADS of money. And I don't like what Klatt said either. He repeatedly said that everyone is for sale. No, they're not. Not everyone. Most people yes sadly. But not everyone. There are still honest people who are loyal in this world. They are most assuredly the minority statistically speaking, but they're out there, and more attention should be brought to these types of people, and not the Nick Saban's, Lincoln Riley's, and Brian Kelly's of the world.
I thought Acho was going to say that he learned from his Texas Experience. That you go after your best interest in life and not the wishes and manipulations of other's best interest.
Alabama / LSU gets 4-5 star recruits with a sprinkling of 2/3s. Notre Dame gets primarily 2-3 star recruits with a sprinkling of 4s (and maybe a 5). They don’t get the athletes who can make game breaking plays. There’s a reason why NDs best NFL players are always OL and TE
He didn’t leave fir the money, he left because he knows he can win championships at LSU, don’t get it twisted, there’s a ton of talent in Lousiana. Brian Kelly knows that.
Notre Dame is an easier path to the playoffs though. Because of their country wide brand & the money/guaranteed ratings they bring in they're always in the running until loss #3. LSU has to be better than Alabama, Georgia, A&M, Auburn, & soon Oklahoma & Texas to make it.
Plus I’ve seen kids sit out bowl games for the money to right ? Going to go to the nfl so they sit out the year or the last couple games or the bowl game. But the coach can’t leave at the end to make 100 mil ??! Please
@@valthomas9786 so when was the right time ? After all the good recruits committed to another school because lsu was without a head coach ? Then go and be behind the 8ball and set himself back
Kelly was offered the ND with the clear goal of winning a Natty. He had more than a decade to build his program, but failed to meet the goal and had vacated wins along the way. Look at his record against Alabama, Cinn, and UGA: 0-5. He was headed for 0-6 if meeting one of them again in the playoffs.
As a former D1 athlete, I still remember almost committing to an Ivy League school because of extensive conversations I had with their assistant coach who led recruiting efforts. Fortunately I chose to go elsewhere. The next year he was gone. Head coaching job at an ACC school. I get it. He made a decision for his family and career. But had I gone there to play for him, I too, like Acho, would have had a hard time wrestling with that reality.
Klatt and Marcellus said exactly what I told some friends in a group chat that were bashing Kelly and Riley. I told them I see it like this..while messed up for the players. If you break it down to the lowest denominator. If a company came to you and said we will pay you 3x your salary, buy you and your family a house and car. Would you leave your current job? I know I would. I work in Sales and see it with Directors and VPs. No one will turn down a large pay increase with great perks. And then there may be additional perks they won’t tell us about. Folks are such hypocrites. They act like they’ve never left or moved on to better opportunities for themselves.
I think you have a point but are missing a point. It’s how you do things and treat people that reveal your character. LSU would have prioritized Kelly at any point. Klatt educated me about the structure of cfb influencing here. I think Kelly has a history of deception and bailing
These comments reflect two different set of values, those who believe that qualities such as honesty, loyalty, and integrity still matter, and those who reject these qualities as outdated and not relevant to the materialistic world we live in. Character still matters and is reflected in the moral choices we make."
Joel is 100% right. For all we know LSU told Kelly there's a time limit to accept the deal. He can't turn that down. People really expect him to pass up a $100 million 10 year deal and a chance to build a team to compete with Alabama in the SEC because Notre Dame MIGHT make the playoffs. If he could finish out the season with ND I'm sure he would, but like Joel said, the NFL has rules for this but college football doesn't.
LSU never NEEDS a specific coach. I love the hire but trust that LSU carries it's own name, for a reason. The last two coaches were C- and they still won championships. I get what you're saying about staying until after the bowl but due to early signing, he would lose an entire recruiting class AND likely lose players to the transfer portal by waiting. You never sabotage your future self. Ever.
Why is making the playoffs 2/4 years and maybe 3/5 a loss!? If that’s the case stop fooling yourself think anyone in the SEC can win a championship. It’s Bama, Ga, and then Oh St and Clemson (which was trash this yr), and everyone else is trash. LSU can’t compete with Bama and Georgia either. ND is perpetually a top 8 team and then loses to the team that ends up winning it all and the conclusion is they’ll never be able to win it?
@@tkaki6029 making the playoffs can be deceptive. That makes it sound kind you're a top team. But when you get completely WRECKED every time you're in the playoffs then it's obvious you aren't really all that great. Notre dame hasn't been close to a championship Kelly's whole time there and he knows it. Close would be if they played competitively so that there was a chance they could win it all.
I agree with all three. But the point that’s most important is the one Joel makes. There is no penalty for talking to coaches during the season. No tampering penalties. Until that happens coaches will continue chasing the bag and leaving their teams before the bowl games are played.
Perspective smersmective. They know coaches make business decisions all the time. That’s why you go to the SCHOOL you want, not the coach you want. On your visits, meet all the players. If you fit in their locker room and you love the school, go. Never commit to a coach. All recruits know that but some have terrible guidance. I’ve seen it all.
Great discussion Hacho, Marcellus and Klatt made good points and opinions. I always thought that Klatt always outsmarted his son Colin but with Marcellus and Hacho all three men had very good opinions and worked well. I hope they will bring Klatt back
Acho is the only one who's being real Kelly did create havock he created a dam mess Leave then fine but do it after the games been played What you don't think he can't get recruits in March?? No it's stupid not to think it. It's BS Kelly knew 2 weeks ago .. So it's BS Kelky can't win the big games LSU gonna find out quick lmao Cant wait
@@ozzymack574 😅😅 now you sound like the bitter one!! 😅😅 but what you gonna find out is you can win with better talent genius, which he will have at lsu!!
NCAA should say you can't talk to coaches till season is over. Sucks for the kids coach bailing before probably making a playoff. At least they let the kids leave too unlike years back when coaches would bail and they were stuck.
Acho doesn't receive enough credit for his wisdom. His maturity as an analyst makes me respect his previous play at Texas immensely. If people _still_ think athletes are just a bunch of dumb jocks, here is your sign that stigma was always false. It was created in fear by the lesser to stop those who come from less from rising up. Athletes have a keen sense of intelligence that transfer to all walks of life. We are dorks. We are _also_ wolves.
My counter argument to Klatt would be that Kelly has done this very same thing at EVERY program he’s been at (sneaking out the door). It’s the HOW. That is why some feel that Kelly is a snake in the grass.
They make it sound like Notre dame was barely making it, it was terrible couching that caused him to lose those playoff games… he gets out couched a lot and I’m actually looking forward to LSU figuring that out…
So, if Luke Fickell just walked away from Cincinnati in an undefeated season for another team tomorrow, these guys are are ok? Cincy should be ok? If Kirby Smart just went to the NFL right now?…please.
But what else is he supposed to do? Due to the early signing period he can NEVER leave ND unless he leaves at this point in the season or takes a year off, there are no jobs that will be open in January, so he either stays at ND or leaves, blame the early signing day for that.
It works both ways. Players leave early, they transfer, they sit out bowl games and even whole seasons so they can protect themselves before the draft. Ultimately everyone is out for themselves and institutions don't matter.
Listen, this stuff is bound to, has always, and will always happen with coaches playing musical chairs like their going out of style! But at least Lincoln Riley showed truer (not much, but an improvement) character and decency in his addressing of the coaching move with his players! What Brian Kelly did was pure Bush League to his kids, yanking the rug right out from under them! Sad when u make a promise to your recruits' parents that u will take care of them in every way away from home and then pull even a 360 wool over their eyes (the parents)! Kelly then has the audacity in an apology attempt to say to his kids "I'm sorry it went this way you having to find out from other sources besides and before me"! Seriously he'd have been better off taking the high road and not even tried to apologize because it made him sound more ludicrous! Shame on you Brian Kelly but at the same time you showed the entire world your true stripes! Money and ego trump all in your case - callously tweeting instead of getting your team together personally to inform - what an utter disgrace
so no gripe about how Lincoln left after saying he was staying...i think the media just cant fathom someone left their sacred ND for LSU...and OU is being gutted by the other coaches decision
Acho has a heart. Maybe he's "idealistic" but without heart you're just a machine. Press the $ button and you will not be able to say "no" no matter how hard you try.
Just because you works, together doesn't always mean you can click together. And by the way, everyone isn't for sale. what profits a man to gain the world and lose his soul ( mind, intellect, character, peace, respect) . Money can't by anything but temporary Gifts and life style. Money can by a house, but it takes more than money to make it a home.
There’s not a chance he left specifically for money. He took less pay then Riley and got almost same money Tucker did at MSU after 1 good season…he didn’t give ND a chance to even counter and get a huge raise…bc he saw LSU and knew he wanted it. He left specifically to establish a legacy as a National Champion.
Acho is on the money. Lying is not ok just because it gives you an advantage. It's wrong. And they are all on there talking about "developing young men." Think about that. What are you developing when every coach is ready and willing to lie to get ahead? Character matters and coaches should be held accountable when they display bad character and model that for players. So good for Acho standing against Kelly on this. Wiley's argument of "that happens in life, get over it" is nonsense. If a cyber hacker stole all Wiley's money and the judge said "that happens in life, get over it" then he'd change his tune real quick. When things are morally wrong, you shouldn't just accept that. You should have a problem with it, even if it is the way society works.
Notre Dame fan, Good bye, Thanks for getting the program back on course. Now let's go get that Coach to get next, let Kelly take his own heat with him.
Early signing day is the sole reason for the TIMING of Kelly's decision. Kelly knows that Scott Woodward had to announce a coach now, because of the Dec 15th ESD. That's it. That's the reason. And it's not Kelly, nor Woodward's fault. I disagree that Kelly is merely "chasing the money". Kelly knows that he can't win a NC with the talent Notre Dame gets. LSU has that talent and LSU is committed to athletic excellence across the board, as evidenced by all the recent coaching hires - this is what Kelly means when he says alignment. At this point in time, there is nothing holding back a head football coach from winning a NC at LSU - THAT is why Kelly accepted the job. If Kelly was "chasing the money", he would have let Notre Dame counter.
Brian Kelly brought ND back from the dead and made them relevant again and was only paying him 2.7M a year lol let’s be honest ND looks at their job as the greatest thing since sliced bread and you should be happy just to call yourself the coach of notre dame football their ego wouldn’t allow them to pay a coach the kind of money LSU paid him so there was no reason to have ND counter because they wasn’t going to counter anywhere in that neighborhood not even the same zip code
I don't think it's just the money. I'm fairly confident LSU waved that same nine-figure check in front of Lincoln Riley and Jimbo Fisher, but Lincoln probably saw a significantly easier job in LA than what he'd get in BR and Jimbo probably felt LSU was exponentially more pressure for what was essentially a lateral move.
Klatt's insistence that money is the primary motivating factor in every person's career decisions is either remarkably naive or darkly cynical. Perhaps both. I've passed up higher paying jobs on a couple occasions because I didn't prefer the city or other factors. And I didn't feel any more the loser for it. The real loser is the poor soul who overvalues the importance of money or who uses it as the penultimate measure of a successful career.
That sounds good. And to your point ain't like he's not going to be rich either way. BUT, He still does have the chance to build something special at LSU.
I wonder if recruits are going to try to commit ahead of the game. Like if a guy commits to LSU because, even though they don’t have an answer right now, they’re gonna get one of the best because they’re in the cream of the crop convo for college programs.
Coaches get cut mid season everyday b I must be too attached to money cause I see nothing wrong with this move 😂 it was definitely Money Play 💯 Acho get out ya feelings big Dawg....
Everyone is talking like this is a sign of what an attractive place LSU is.... they just had to make BRIAN KELLY the highest paid coach in college football with a 90% GUARANTEED $105 million 10 year contract (after incentives), and 100% guaranteed if he wins a single NC. That's not the move of an attractive program, it's the move of a desperate one.
No Notre Dame fan is broken-hearted that Brian Kelly left. Marcus Freeman is going to do well there. And not give off that odor that always seemed to follow Kelly around. Freeman was THE recruiter at ND. Can't imagine Kelly being good at that. All the other coaches stayed at ND. No one followed Kelly. That says something. I think ND's stock just went up.
Listen to Out of Character: sprtspod.fox/OOC
This is my first time watching these guys. Seems like a great show and will definitely be tuning in going forward. This was a TRUE sports debate and I enjoyed every second.
Same! All 3 made really good points. Gonna start checking in to see their takes more frequently. I didn’t know Emmanuel Acho was on a show. I have always appreciated his thoughts on sports
This is a great show
Klatt is excellent. Would love to see him on the show more often. This is by far the best sports related show.
I just want to commend both of you gentlemen and Joe Klatt as well. You provide some of the most entertaining, articulate and relatable sports commentary. Not yelling and hollering and crazy antics but real insightful analysis. This was one of my favorite clips because this delved deep into social commentary. Thank you for this and keep up the continued excellence.
A debate show that actually talks about things other than the Lakers and Cowboys 😮😮😮🔥
Yep its why I watch this show
100% agree, love watching their debates
Yeah undisputed falling off
Blame the people who watch the shows, the reason those shows continue to talk about those things is because it’s guaranteed viewing
… And Michael Jordan and Manny Pacquicio
Klatt speaking facts
Dude was dropping bombs.
As usual, lol
He typically does
Klatt as usual preaching
My favorite show hands down 💪🏼💪🏼
Considering what Kelly did with the academic restrictions Notre Dame has, it's pretty remarkable. Now he goes to a Power 5 that doesn't have those hangups and will be able to recruit from a larger pool, Kelly might create a beast at LSU.
No “might” He has a lot of hungry in state players with talent that want to go to LSU alone plus there is a big pool of talent in JUCO. LSU won’t deny him taking chances on pure talent with light issues
Can someone please explain to me what makes Brian Kelly so great? Yea he made a championship game but they got smoked and that was the end so please someone tell me why is this the “GUY”
@@michaelstrickland3568 then you have to look at the video and re read our posts. OR THINK OF IT THIS WAY. Derrick Henry go hard playing for the Titans what if he played for the Ravens.
@Rage Quit big difference when Holtz coached and now. Football has changed drastically
@@bill2953 sensible narrative? Like comparing recruiting today to 40+ years ago? What exactly is "sensible" about that?
as an idealist, ocho preaching, you gave me your word, and in recruiting me, you made me promises, and leaving halfway through a season, breaks that.(if i was a player on that team)
but klatt is keeping it real, even if i dont like it.
As a juco kid in my recruiting I don’t go to college Bc of coaches that’s we’re most kids fuc up at
You can make that same argument for players as well. It's the culture you created
if we praise players for doing what is best for them we have to praise the coaches too otherwise it's hypocrisy. kids shouldn't go to school for a coach they should go for the program the location, the situation. Now if a great coach leaves it changes the situation but regardless of who comes in to replace brian kelly he built a great program with good recruiting classes the next coach will still be coaching a team that can go 10 wins or more next year.
@@tigergirlkita so you are telling me coaches go to a program, cause of a player??
you cant cause they wont
ND is a terrible example to make, cause of what and who they are. there is no other program like them. and although i can praise both(players and coaches), i can judge them differently, cause the situation of a coach and player are completely different.
with great power comes great responsibility, though. a general leaving an army halfway through a war(and that is what kelly did in comparison) isnt the same as a regiment doing so....
Man acho got them this time with the if the player left they would be roasted.
moving on up lol serious note tho: you gotta coach thru your bowl game or playoff for the kids, don't leave 'em hanging, finish it then bolt
Blame the NCAA for not mandating that. Coaches just playing within the rules and every single person looks out for themselves and their families first
I think they should play the bowl game. It’s bad for your team. Your team just lost there coach out of the blue and now are expected to play there hearts out for a intern coach? But the team the coach is hired to already fired there coach. The only factor besides having a coach (intern coaches) is recruiting. The NCAA outlaws stupid stuff but not ruining another school season and bowl game by stealing there coach.
@@peytoncofer players shouldn’t be playing their hearts out for their coach they should be doing it for themselves and their future. The coach is just there for extra motivation
Then you leave the new school out to dry in recruiting and set yourself back a year all because you want to be noble.
Totally agree
The cadence and flow of the panel works really well on this show! I’ve been missing out. Will watch more often.
I’m not buying the argument that everyone would have chased the money. An individual whose word is his bond would have seen the season through to its end, and not abandoned his team. Worse, that self-interested move compromised Notre Dame’s ranking in the CFP. There’s nothing in Brian Kelly’s actions here to be praised.
L
No BK assistants were clearly not for sale
ND should give Marcus Freeman a good contract. If they don't and he does well, then other colleges will offer him big money to leave.
He didn’t leave for your praise he left for generation wealth and a opportunity to do what he does at the highest level 😂 sounds like a dream come true he probably feels terrible about the kids but that’s way too much to just pass on
This is one of the best talk shows on television.
Trust me, there are a lot of death before dishoner muhafukas that literally cannot be bought. They're a rare breed, but they def do exist.
Call me radical, call me naive, but the truth still matters to me. A man's word still matters to me, and it always will. If there were extraordinary circumstances like Kelly was broke, that would be one thing, but Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley were both multi-millionaires who were already going to be set for life BEFORE they left ND and Oklahoma respectively, so the money issue doesn't resonate with me as a justifiable reason for doing what they both did. They both already had LOADS of money. And I don't like what Klatt said either. He repeatedly said that everyone is for sale. No, they're not. Not everyone. Most people yes sadly. But not everyone. There are still honest people who are loyal in this world. They are most assuredly the minority statistically speaking, but they're out there, and more attention should be brought to these types of people, and not the Nick Saban's, Lincoln Riley's, and Brian Kelly's of the world.
Lol you crazy! You gonna sit there and lie by telling me you get offered this kinda money you aren't taking it?
😂 ok so going forward when asked if they would leave for another job, all coaches should say, “yeah I might, for the right price”
@@element720 that would be the honest truth, doubt anyone is willing to say that
Name one that’s a football coach.
Let's ask the questions how loyal are the schools to coaches. Ask Ed Orgeron how loyal LSU was to him. College football is a business like the pros.
I thought Acho was going to say that he learned from his Texas Experience. That you go after your best interest in life and not the wishes and manipulations of other's best interest.
Coaches have lied forever. In other news; water is wet.
Alabama / LSU gets 4-5 star recruits with a sprinkling of 2/3s. Notre Dame gets primarily 2-3 star recruits with a sprinkling of 4s (and maybe a 5). They don’t get the athletes who can make game breaking plays. There’s a reason why NDs best NFL players are always OL and TE
I think Stanford is feeling that problem as well, they lack gamebreakers at the skilled positions.
That's the whole Midwest though with OL and TE...
ND has beaten them the last two times they played
It hurts, but you’re right
@@joeryan4157 And LSU has won 3 championships since ND's last. What is your point, exactly?
He didn’t leave fir the money, he left because he knows he can win championships at LSU, don’t get it twisted, there’s a ton of talent in Lousiana. Brian Kelly knows that.
9 figures speaks loudly along with the opportunity. I'm sure there some other perks as well
Notre Dame is an easier path to the playoffs though. Because of their country wide brand & the money/guaranteed ratings they bring in they're always in the running until loss #3. LSU has to be better than Alabama, Georgia, A&M, Auburn, & soon Oklahoma & Texas to make it.
@@LissaBroyles he also knows that he gets better players to play against better players
@@calebwebster3575 Only if he's the high bidder lol.
Well getting elite talent involves effort. Something BK doesn’t care about. We’ve been complaining about it for years.
They make him an offer he couldn't refuse
He didn’t have to refuse it. The dispute is over how it’s handled
@@valthomas9786 take that dispute up with the ncaa early signing period is at fault. Gots to make your decision fast
Plus I’ve seen kids sit out bowl games for the money to right ? Going to go to the nfl so they sit out the year or the last couple games or the bowl game. But the coach can’t leave at the end to make 100 mil ??! Please
@@lifeofbrandon_ Leave at the end of what? And again, it’s NOT that he can’t leave. I didn’t say that. It’s how you do things
@@valthomas9786 so when was the right time ? After all the good recruits committed to another school because lsu was without a head coach ? Then go and be behind the 8ball and set himself back
I really respect Klatt and his takes!!!
Kelly was offered the ND with the clear goal of winning a Natty. He had more than a decade to build his program, but failed to meet the goal and had vacated wins along the way. Look at his record against Alabama, Cinn, and UGA: 0-5. He was headed for 0-6 if meeting one of them again in the playoffs.
He can't recruit the players those schools can!
nd beats cinn if they play again.
Look at his record against LSU 2-0
As a former D1 athlete, I still remember almost committing to an Ivy League school because of extensive conversations I had with their assistant coach who led recruiting efforts. Fortunately I chose to go elsewhere. The next year he was gone. Head coaching job at an ACC school. I get it. He made a decision for his family and career. But had I gone there to play for him, I too, like Acho, would have had a hard time wrestling with that reality.
I’m with Acho. We need to keep it real. Commitment matters. Disclosure to those your committed to matters.
TLDR:
LSU is Kelly’s middle age crisis.
Nah jokes on you. Its Life . Its business. Don't take it personal.
Things change loyalty only matters to a certain extent in business
Klatt Daddy is everywhere today. I love it!
Klatt and Marcellus said exactly what I told some friends in a group chat that were bashing Kelly and Riley. I told them I see it like this..while messed up for the players. If you break it down to the lowest denominator. If a company came to you and said we will pay you 3x your salary, buy you and your family a house and car. Would you leave your current job? I know I would. I work in Sales and see it with Directors and VPs. No one will turn down a large pay increase with great perks. And then there may be additional perks they won’t tell us about. Folks are such hypocrites. They act like they’ve never left or moved on to better opportunities for themselves.
I think you have a point but are missing a point. It’s how you do things and treat people that reveal your character. LSU would have prioritized Kelly at any point. Klatt educated me about the structure of cfb influencing here. I think Kelly has a history of deception and bailing
These comments reflect two different set of values, those who believe that qualities such as honesty, loyalty, and integrity still matter, and those who reject these qualities as outdated and not relevant to the materialistic world we live in. Character still matters and is reflected in the moral choices we make."
Brian Kelly is who he has always been. He left Cincinnati for Notre Dame before the Sugar Bowl when they were undefeated.
Joel is 100% right. For all we know LSU told Kelly there's a time limit to accept the deal. He can't turn that down. People really expect him to pass up a $100 million 10 year deal and a chance to build a team to compete with Alabama in the SEC because Notre Dame MIGHT make the playoffs. If he could finish out the season with ND I'm sure he would, but like Joel said, the NFL has rules for this but college football doesn't.
Ha, LSU needs him more than he needs them. If he said, "sure I'll accept, but I'm not coming until after my bowl game" then they'd give in to that.
LSU never NEEDS a specific coach. I love the hire but trust that LSU carries it's own name, for a reason. The last two coaches were C- and they still won championships.
I get what you're saying about staying until after the bowl but due to early signing, he would lose an entire recruiting class AND likely lose players to the transfer portal by waiting. You never sabotage your future self. Ever.
Why is making the playoffs 2/4 years and maybe 3/5 a loss!? If that’s the case stop fooling yourself think anyone in the SEC can win a championship. It’s Bama, Ga, and then Oh St and Clemson (which was trash this yr), and everyone else is trash. LSU can’t compete with Bama and Georgia either. ND is perpetually a top 8 team and then loses to the team that ends up winning it all and the conclusion is they’ll never be able to win it?
@@tkaki6029 LSU won a championship two years ago. So, obviously they are able to compete with Alabama and Georgia.
@@tkaki6029 making the playoffs can be deceptive. That makes it sound kind you're a top team. But when you get completely WRECKED every time you're in the playoffs then it's obvious you aren't really all that great. Notre dame hasn't been close to a championship Kelly's whole time there and he knows it. Close would be if they played competitively so that there was a chance they could win it all.
I agree with all three. But the point that’s most important is the one Joel makes.
There is no penalty for talking to coaches during the season. No tampering penalties. Until that happens coaches will continue chasing the bag and leaving their teams before the bowl games are played.
Joel Klatt went down several levels in this interview. Wow.
Acho is my man. Just cause it's the way the world is doesn't mean it's the way it should be. Honest men can succeed
I agree with Acho, it's the timing that bothers me, but best of look.
Joel Klatt looks like your typical financial advisor at some Wall Street firm like Goldman Sachs or something 😅🤣
Lol, he looks like a substitute teacher...
These guys are the best when it comes to Sports debate.
Great takes by all 3! Love your heart Acho!
Acho great perspective my guy. You absolutely crushed it
Perspective smersmective. They know coaches make business decisions all the time. That’s why you go to the SCHOOL you want, not the coach you want. On your visits, meet all the players. If you fit in their locker room and you love the school, go. Never commit to a coach. All recruits know that but some have terrible guidance. I’ve seen it all.
@@Iamhimbutyouarenot thanks for your opinion
This should be the 1st show on any sports channel.
How embarrassing for LSU to way over pay only to fire in 4 years just like they always do.
I believe Kelly has a good buyout clause in his contract. Good move on his part.
Kelly did not leave ND for the money. He never even game the Notre Dame AD a chance to match LSU's offer. He just resigned.
Speak for yourself is one of the best Sport Shows on television they talk sports
Good conversation and debate! College football and basketball needs a commissioner!!!!
That wasnt the Mike Tomlin quote, that Kelly was referring to. he was referring to the USC Alums with blank checks comment
Acho will eventually be the veteran with wise words and experience to debate these types of arguments.
10:56 Klatt and Acho's reaction 😂😂
Klatt needs a regular shows, dude has great takes. Would love to see him with Colin, they have great chemistry together.
They all made great arguments. Need more debates ike this.
Great discussion Hacho, Marcellus and Klatt made good points and opinions. I always thought that Klatt always outsmarted his son Colin but with Marcellus and Hacho all three men had very good opinions and worked well. I hope they will bring Klatt back
13:32 “And do what?” 😂😂
Marcellus sounds bitter and hard-hearted and Ocho assigns like a lost idealist. I guess Klatt was the middle ground.
Acho is the only one who's being real Kelly did create havock he created a dam mess Leave then fine but do it after the games been played What you don't think he can't get recruits in March?? No it's stupid not to think it. It's BS Kelly knew 2 weeks ago .. So it's BS Kelky can't win the big games LSU gonna find out quick lmao Cant wait
@@ozzymack574 😅😅 now you sound like the bitter one!! 😅😅 but what you gonna find out is you can win with better talent genius, which he will have at lsu!!
They bodied that segment….
NCAA should say you can't talk to coaches till season is over. Sucks for the kids coach bailing before probably making a playoff. At least they let the kids leave too unlike years back when coaches would bail and they were stuck.
That’s where NFL is completely better than CFB is the structure
Acho doesn't receive enough credit for his wisdom. His maturity as an analyst makes me respect his previous play at Texas immensely.
If people _still_ think athletes are just a bunch of dumb jocks, here is your sign that stigma was always false. It was created in fear by the lesser to stop those who come from less from rising up.
Athletes have a keen sense of intelligence that transfer to all walks of life. We are dorks. We are _also_ wolves.
Wow!
Klatt is the best college commentator
Klatt is really good. But Gus Johnson is a freaking legend!!!
Be should have lest finished the season (bowl) and since he didn’t that’s a slim move.
I think it should be against the rules to take all the best players from a team and gut the whole thing. It's wrong.
So basically players can’t act in they best interest now and should go where the school allows, hmmm
Dude isn't exactly in his 20s. He wants to make moves now!
He abandons his players with games left to play and you have no problem 😂😂
The problem is leaving with a CFP on the line now if he has no shot of a championship nobody cares
This is the best show
My counter argument to Klatt would be that Kelly has done this very same thing at EVERY program he’s been at (sneaking out the door). It’s the HOW. That is why some feel that Kelly is a snake in the grass.
It’s the same way every coach leaves lol
They're all right, 🤣🤣. That money tho, sheesh!
They make it sound like Notre dame was barely making it, it was terrible couching that caused him to lose those playoff games… he gets out couched a lot and I’m actually looking forward to LSU figuring that out…
We've won championships with Les Miles and Ed Orgeron... it's been shown that even average or below average coaches can win here.
10:56 Klatt's and Acho's reaction 😂😂
Never seen anyone take as long as Klatt took to say "he wanted more money"
Colin Cowherd disagrees, he says BK did not make the jump for more money.
what do you mean, he said 9
9 figures.
So, if Luke Fickell just walked away from Cincinnati in an undefeated season for another team tomorrow, these guys are are ok? Cincy should be ok? If Kirby Smart just went to the NFL right now?…please.
NFL won’t let that happen until they current season is completely over
the timing is the only issue, its like he abandoned his players and staff
But what else is he supposed to do? Due to the early signing period he can NEVER leave ND unless he leaves at this point in the season or takes a year off, there are no jobs that will be open in January, so he either stays at ND or leaves, blame the early signing day for that.
Not lie to his players.
It works both ways. Players leave early, they transfer, they sit out bowl games and even whole seasons so they can protect themselves before the draft. Ultimately everyone is out for themselves and institutions don't matter.
Love the diversity of this show
Listen, this stuff is bound to, has always, and will always happen with coaches playing musical chairs like their going out of style! But at least Lincoln Riley showed truer (not much, but an improvement) character and decency in his addressing of the coaching move with his players! What Brian Kelly did was pure Bush League to his kids, yanking the rug right out from under them! Sad when u make a promise to your recruits' parents that u will take care of them in every way away from home and then pull even a 360 wool over their eyes (the parents)! Kelly then has the audacity in an apology attempt to say to his kids "I'm sorry it went this way you having to find out from other sources besides and before me"! Seriously he'd have been better off taking the high road and not even tried to apologize because it made him sound more ludicrous! Shame on you Brian Kelly but at the same time you showed the entire world your true stripes! Money and ego trump all in your case - callously tweeting instead of getting your team together personally to inform - what an utter disgrace
so no gripe about how Lincoln left after saying he was staying...i think the media just cant fathom someone left their sacred ND for LSU...and OU is being gutted by the other coaches decision
Riley said he isn't going to LSU. Technically never said that he wouldn't leave to USC
The show actually has great dialogue
How he got to Notre Dame is how he left them.
Notre Dame was a consistent top ten team before he got there?
News to me.
@@broaddusmarines No. Adrian is saying he got to ND by quiting Cincinnati during the season. He just did the same thing to ND when he left for LSU.
Joe Klatt spitting FACTS love when he explains what's really going on
Acho has a heart. Maybe he's "idealistic" but without heart you're just a machine. Press the $ button and you will not be able to say "no" no matter how hard you try.
As a lifelong Domer I am beyond happy Brian Kelly is gone
Kelly did this before to Cincinnati, leaving before the bowl game, we shouldn't be surprised he did it again.
I love Joel Klatt
Not everyone is for sale. This guy is clueless. But I do like how these guys don’t interrupt each other.
Joel Klatt + SFY?
Yes please!!!
100 million? I am rolling out as well...
Just because you works, together doesn't always mean you can click together. And by the way, everyone isn't for sale. what profits a man to gain the world and lose his soul ( mind, intellect, character, peace, respect) . Money can't by anything but temporary
Gifts and life style. Money can by a house, but it takes more than money to make it a home.
There’s not a chance he left specifically for money. He took less pay then Riley and got almost same money Tucker did at MSU after 1 good season…he didn’t give ND a chance to even counter and get a huge raise…bc he saw LSU and knew he wanted it. He left specifically to establish a legacy as a National Champion.
I love Acho. Speaks the truth.
All coaches do that Sabin did that to LSU years ago but nobody brings that up.
Acho is on the money. Lying is not ok just because it gives you an advantage. It's wrong. And they are all on there talking about "developing young men." Think about that. What are you developing when every coach is ready and willing to lie to get ahead? Character matters and coaches should be held accountable when they display bad character and model that for players. So good for Acho standing against Kelly on this.
Wiley's argument of "that happens in life, get over it" is nonsense. If a cyber hacker stole all Wiley's money and the judge said "that happens in life, get over it" then he'd change his tune real quick. When things are morally wrong, you shouldn't just accept that. You should have a problem with it, even if it is the way society works.
Wiley hit different with that Columbia academia 🤣🤣🤣
Exactly, " and do what"....it's about winning!!
Notre Dame fan, Good bye, Thanks for getting the program back on course. Now let's go get that Coach to get next, let Kelly take his own heat with him.
Back on course to getting squashed by SC every year. Ready for it lol
Now that Riley is at USC, Notre Dame will get an L every year, lol! I hate that because I don't care much for USC.
Early signing day is the sole reason for the TIMING of Kelly's decision. Kelly knows that Scott Woodward had to announce a coach now, because of the Dec 15th ESD. That's it. That's the reason. And it's not Kelly, nor Woodward's fault.
I disagree that Kelly is merely "chasing the money". Kelly knows that he can't win a NC with the talent Notre Dame gets. LSU has that talent and LSU is committed to athletic excellence across the board, as evidenced by all the recent coaching hires - this is what Kelly means when he says alignment. At this point in time, there is nothing holding back a head football coach from winning a NC at LSU - THAT is why Kelly accepted the job. If Kelly was "chasing the money", he would have let Notre Dame counter.
Brian Kelly brought ND back from the dead and made them relevant again and was only paying him 2.7M a year lol let’s be honest ND looks at their job as the greatest thing since sliced bread and you should be happy just to call yourself the coach of notre dame football their ego wouldn’t allow them to pay a coach the kind of money LSU paid him so there was no reason to have ND counter because they wasn’t going to counter anywhere in that neighborhood not even the same zip code
Exactly, and the last 3 LSU coaches have won a National Championship.
I don't think it's just the money. I'm fairly confident LSU waved that same nine-figure check in front of Lincoln Riley and Jimbo Fisher, but Lincoln probably saw a significantly easier job in LA than what he'd get in BR and Jimbo probably felt LSU was exponentially more pressure for what was essentially a lateral move.
A&M to LSU is not a lateral move. 😂
Until Saban retires, it absolutely is. The only difference between A&M and LSU right now is the pressure on the coach.
I love klatts knowledge
Klatt's insistence that money is the primary motivating factor in every person's career decisions is either remarkably naive or darkly cynical. Perhaps both. I've passed up higher paying jobs on a couple occasions because I didn't prefer the city or other factors. And I didn't feel any more the loser for it. The real loser is the poor soul who overvalues the importance of money or who uses it as the penultimate measure of a successful career.
That sounds good. And to your point ain't like he's not going to be rich either way. BUT, He still does have the chance to build something special at LSU.
Maybe he gets more money and a better job. Sounds like a win win.
Have you ever turned down a job paying you double your current salary....with guarantee's???....I think not....
I wonder if recruits are going to try to commit ahead of the game. Like if a guy commits to LSU because, even though they don’t have an answer right now, they’re gonna get one of the best because they’re in the cream of the crop convo for college programs.
So does Acho have a problem with Lincoln Riley??
Coaches get cut mid season everyday b
I must be too attached to money cause I see nothing wrong with this move 😂 it was definitely Money Play 💯
Acho get out ya feelings big Dawg....
Everyone is talking like this is a sign of what an attractive place LSU is.... they just had to make BRIAN KELLY the highest paid coach in college football with a 90% GUARANTEED $105 million 10 year contract (after incentives), and 100% guaranteed if he wins a single NC. That's not the move of an attractive program, it's the move of a desperate one.
No Notre Dame fan is broken-hearted that Brian Kelly left. Marcus Freeman is going to do well there. And not give off that odor that always seemed to follow Kelly around. Freeman was THE recruiter at ND. Can't imagine Kelly being good at that. All the other coaches stayed at ND. No one followed Kelly. That says something. I think ND's stock just went up.
Great philosophy!
2:55 I love Acho and Wiley, Klatt nailed this one.
Over 100 million dollars? Generational wealth? Yeah, that’s enough to get the job done