I was planning to go 24v everything with batteries and motors but it seems like higher rpm 12v motors would be sufficient for an improved riding experience. Do you have any videos of this setup in action?
Thanks for the video and great comments. I've also tried looking for the pinion gear and couldn't find a 0.7M (I tried the 0.6M and it wasn't quite right) that would fit a 5mm shaft for the 775 motor. I even tried machining the 3mm pinion (I also bought the same motor you have in the video to get the gear) to fit on the 5mm but it was too thin and snapped when I pressed it in. I like the idea of fitting a powerwheel gearbox into the car, can you share any info on how you got that done? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for this video. I ended up converting my son's best choice 12v to 24 volt by completely swapping everything out with "oem" hardware from the esc and wire harnesses to the gear boxes. Everything worked great except the new 24volt gear boxes started grinding when my son let off the accelerator. Not sure if the new esc doesn't have the right "breaking" logic or if I didn't match the gearboxes up right
I just wanna ask something, sir. If I will upgrade the battery from 12v into 24v, should I also upgrade my gearbox to 24v 30000? Or, wouild a 12v 30000 rpm suffice? Thanks!
Not sure if you've gotten it sorted out in the past year. I've heard adding a 1 ohm 25 watt wirewound resistor to one of the wires coming off the gas pedal will help with that. I have one on order so I'm not sure how well it works yet. It's supposed to not have the motors brake as hard.
I need info on the final output "gear". My daughter tells me my grandson's car has 5 lobe gears while the replacement gearboxes we see all seem to have 6. Are they interchangeable between gearboxes?
We use old 18v drill motor in our kids ROC,man the power it has going up hill.At first we had to replace the gear due to it stripping and replace them with metal one(well only one gear was metal)But now it awesome
was the 18v tool battery upgrade burning up your factory 12v esc or motors? I think im going to buy the 24v550 motors and the RX30 esc (24v), so if i did a 18v tool battery it should be able to power the upgrades. My daughter is young..cant even drive it by herself yet. So i only want a bit more power getting up small hills and stuff, nothing crazy (yet!)..
Just got my daughter a SKY2875 (i think it is) BCP jeep..its a great little thing and i got it in 'new' condition for only $100..just missing a remote. I got a new one, all set. I'm about to add a set of new 12v7ah batteries in parallel that should be coming in tomorrow. She's only 18 months..so i dont need a lot more power, just more crawling speed up small grades. I was curious if a set of 12v (550) higher rpm motors would get me the bump in hill climbing capabilities..or if I will need to run 24v motors. I do plan on eventually running the rx30 esc with 24v550 motors.. but for now I just want to add longevity so she can enjoy it for 45-60min and something that maybe has better torque going up grass hills or driveways. Also, if i do buy the 24v 550's, will they run just fine on a 12v set up or will the 12v system not be able to power them properly?
my advice would be to just stick with the stock motors that come with the jeep, especially because your child is pretty young. The stock motors are typically slower with more torque. alot of 550 motors out there will be faster, but have less torque. A 24v motor can be run on 12v with no problem, it will just run slower.
@@IsaacBayer the stock motors on it now are 12v550’s with a 9000rpm… pretty low speed. If you hit forward, it’s pretty slow to get up to speed. And it lacks actual torque to go up anything much higher than a level grade lol.
You said that you wound up using a Power Wheels gearbox with a 775 motor on it; that you didn't use this very long, as these motors didn't perform as well as expected. Can you go into more detail on what you didn't like about this mod, and what parts/how you modded the PW gearbox? Or was the PW gearbox a direct fit?
Sure. Yes these motors got hot hot hot, especially with two kids and grass. If it was a single child on flat pavement they probably would have been ok. But they were under powered for what I wanted. The 775 motors absolutely blow these out of the water with temperature and power. The gear boxes were not a direct fit, I had to use a different axle, cut some of the frame plastic to make clearance. I used zip screws to attach the wheels to the power wheels hub. This set up flies on 24 volts.
Yes, I'm literally looking at them now on ML toys' youtube. Modding the current body/frame of my kids' ride-on wouldn't be terribly hard. Thanks! @@IsaacBayer
Came across this in my search for gearbox grease. But have a new question. Why doesn't voltage matter on the 550 motor? The motors I pulled out of mine are from a 24v rideon. I found a 12turn 550 motor but states it's for 7.2vdc.
Voltage does matter. Brushed motors are pretty forgiving though and can generally take more than the rating. But a 7.2v motor should be able to take 12v, 24 will probably burn it up though.
What’s you experience so far? Did you experience increased speed? Did the torque reduce or is it still acceptable? And the 27T motor you are using… how much rpm does it have unloaded? Thank you for coming back and stay well
Overall I wasn't really impressed, they ran hot and didn't really have the power I was looking for. I ended up hacking up the frame and putting in some power wheels gear boxes with 775 motors.
hey there, No I don't have any videos of it in action. I didn't end up using this setup very long. These motors didn't really perform as well as I was hoping for. Ended up using some pw gear boxes with 775 motors.
@@IsaacBayer awesome man, thanks for that info and reply! Im looking to upgrade my sons trike as it doesn't go up a slight slope with him. would love some tips! Awesome video
I just wanna ask something, sir. If I will upgrade the battery from 12v into 24v, should I also upgrade my gearbox to 24v 30000? Or, wouild a 12v 30000 rpm suffice? Thanks!
if you put 24v to a 12v motor, you run the risk of it running hot, burning up instantly, or causing pre-mature failure. That being said, motors tend to take more voltage pretty well, and i know people have run 12v motors on 24v for sometime with out problem. You will double the stated rpm too btw. so a 12v 30k motor will be faster than a 24v 30k motor. Long story short, if you want reliability than go for the 24v motors. If you want to go faster, and don't mind if they blow at some point, than go with the 12v ones.
You should be able to just run 12v with out changing the motor and gearbox. Worst case you fry the motor, and then you can worry about upgrading. Motors are pretty forgiving with voltage.
Hey, thanks for watching. Most likely they will shorten your battery life. I did test the motors, Honestly, I wasn't that impressed. They were faster, especially on pavement or sidewalk. But with two kids, going in grass they struggle, and got pretty hot. I think it would be a decent setup for a one child car, used primarily on smooth flat surfaces. I ended up getting some powerwheel gearboxes, and putting the bigger 775 motors in them. I had to do a fair bit of fabrication to the body of the vehicle to get them to fit, but now it has torque for days. So I guess it depends on your intended use.
depends on how you wire it. in parallel it would provide a little more power for going up hills, and would double your run time. In series it would give you higher top speed and more power, but run time would say the same as a single battery.
@@IsaacBayer Thank you, think i'll go with the series.haven't taken a close look at the battery it comes with but i would guess a 12AH would be an upgrade.
Hi Isacc Bayer: Can you give me your feed back. What i i were to get another gearbox "3D Plastic printed" but altering to accommodate a 775s motor? I have never used 3D printing thus dont know if this method is financially reasonable for just 4 units instead of 4000 bulk order? Many thanks in advance.
The problem is with the gear pitch. Finding a pinion gear for a 775 motor that would mesh with these gears is next to impossible. You would have to change the first gear. I would just go with a power wheels gear box that uses standard gear pitch.
Isacc: You wouldn't happen to know where i can get my hands on a set of 7R gearbox casings/housings? as all i can find is Ebay @ £12 + £48 shipping "Each".
@@apsert www.amazon.com has them with metal gears or www.mltoys.com also has them alittle over price but they got alot of fancy. Power wheels. Accesories. Motors etc. Theres another i think its eastcoastpowerup.com they also have. What upgrade kits and extra replacement parts
@@giantn3842 ML TOYS are an utter waste of space. They Deliberately respond incoherent just so to piss you off! They are NOT interested in the likes of me or you JUST our $$$$$$$ To put it politely they are a bunch of "toss pots". Eastcoastpowerup. They did make an effort to respond. Hope this helps. BTW Saw a vid on the tube of a customer who was utterly messed around by M.L hence he made the video. Stay away from those lot if i were you. Thanks all the same for your comment/input.
Im not using any of the items shown in the video if you are interested in buying them. Not sure how that would work, but they are just sitting in a box.
This looks like Peg Perego models which is the UK equivalent of Power Wheels so very helpful to see
I was planning to go 24v everything with batteries and motors but it seems like higher rpm 12v motors would be sufficient for an improved riding experience. Do you have any videos of this setup in action?
Hello sir. My son's car stock motor is 12v rs 390 17000 rpm 12-teeth. Can I upgrade it into 12v rs550 30000 rpm 10-teeth?
Thanks for the video and great comments. I've also tried looking for the pinion gear and couldn't find a 0.7M (I tried the 0.6M and it wasn't quite right) that would fit a 5mm shaft for the 775 motor. I even tried machining the 3mm pinion (I also bought the same motor you have in the video to get the gear) to fit on the 5mm but it was too thin and snapped when I pressed it in. I like the idea of fitting a powerwheel gearbox into the car, can you share any info on how you got that done? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for this video. I ended up converting my son's best choice 12v to 24 volt by completely swapping everything out with "oem" hardware from the esc and wire harnesses to the gear boxes. Everything worked great except the new 24volt gear boxes started grinding when my son let off the accelerator. Not sure if the new esc doesn't have the right "breaking" logic or if I didn't match the gearboxes up right
I just wanna ask something, sir. If I will upgrade the battery from 12v into 24v, should I also upgrade my gearbox to 24v 30000? Or, wouild a 12v 30000 rpm suffice? Thanks!
@@jenniferranin341 upgrade them or you will grind them out
Not sure if you've gotten it sorted out in the past year. I've heard adding a 1 ohm 25 watt wirewound resistor to one of the wires coming off the gas pedal will help with that. I have one on order so I'm not sure how well it works yet. It's supposed to not have the motors brake as hard.
From where we can buy this part from srilanka. Please give instructions
Great.. but how do you remove the gearbox from the vehicle? how are wheels typically removed?
I need info on the final output "gear". My daughter tells me my grandson's car has 5 lobe gears while the replacement gearboxes we see all seem to have 6. Are they interchangeable between gearboxes?
Thanks for the vid. Looks like I’ll be doing some modding on the gear box and motors. I have a Maserati for my daughter
if you replace the gearbox can you use a 770motor?
Can show the end result on speed too thanks
I am looking for gear box for gravedigger 24 volt. My son is devastated. Any help would be appreciated
They have those motors with the 3 gears on Amazon prime shipping
Freakin awesome tutorial sir thank you!
Which gearbox you recommend me, I’m looking for a high torque one I don’t mind the speed I just need high torque
Well, I would probably take a look at power wheels 7R gear boxes. Any of the gear boxes though will eventually fail, just the nature of plastic gears.
I have this same box and can't seem to get it on the shaft without it spinning with the tire.
We use old 18v drill motor in our kids ROC,man the power it has going up hill.At first we had to replace the gear due to it stripping and replace them with metal one(well only one gear was metal)But now it awesome
Hey where did you get the metal gear from? Been looking for a while.
was the 18v tool battery upgrade burning up your factory 12v esc or motors? I think im going to buy the 24v550 motors and the RX30 esc (24v), so if i did a 18v tool battery it should be able to power the upgrades. My daughter is young..cant even drive it by herself yet. So i only want a bit more power getting up small hills and stuff, nothing crazy (yet!)..
Just got my daughter a SKY2875 (i think it is) BCP jeep..its a great little thing and i got it in 'new' condition for only $100..just missing a remote. I got a new one, all set. I'm about to add a set of new 12v7ah batteries in parallel that should be coming in tomorrow. She's only 18 months..so i dont need a lot more power, just more crawling speed up small grades. I was curious if a set of 12v (550) higher rpm motors would get me the bump in hill climbing capabilities..or if I will need to run 24v motors.
I do plan on eventually running the rx30 esc with 24v550 motors.. but for now I just want to add longevity so she can enjoy it for 45-60min and something that maybe has better torque going up grass hills or driveways. Also, if i do buy the 24v 550's, will they run just fine on a 12v set up or will the 12v system not be able to power them properly?
my advice would be to just stick with the stock motors that come with the jeep, especially because your child is pretty young. The stock motors are typically slower with more torque. alot of 550 motors out there will be faster, but have less torque. A 24v motor can be run on 12v with no problem, it will just run slower.
@@IsaacBayer the stock motors on it now are 12v550’s with a 9000rpm… pretty low speed. If you hit forward, it’s pretty slow to get up to speed. And it lacks actual torque to go up anything much higher than a level grade lol.
You said that you wound up using a Power Wheels gearbox with a 775 motor on it; that you didn't use this very long, as these motors didn't perform as well as expected. Can you go into more detail on what you didn't like about this mod, and what parts/how you modded the PW gearbox? Or was the PW gearbox a direct fit?
Sure. Yes these motors got hot hot hot, especially with two kids and grass. If it was a single child on flat pavement they probably would have been ok. But they were under powered for what I wanted. The 775 motors absolutely blow these out of the water with temperature and power. The gear boxes were not a direct fit, I had to use a different axle, cut some of the frame plastic to make clearance. I used zip screws to attach the wheels to the power wheels hub. This set up flies on 24 volts.
Yes, I'm literally looking at them now on ML toys' youtube. Modding the current body/frame of my kids' ride-on wouldn't be terribly hard. Thanks! @@IsaacBayer
@@hershelr.sullivaniii7139I used the Traxxas titan motors. Had good luck with them.
Great video and very helpful. Thanks for sharing
I have just purchased a 12v battery and 12 volt weelye box...do i have to change the motor also to make the car go faster
Usually more voltage will do the trick.
Came across this in my search for gearbox grease. But have a new question. Why doesn't voltage matter on the 550 motor? The motors I pulled out of mine are from a 24v rideon. I found a 12turn 550 motor but states it's for 7.2vdc.
Voltage does matter. Brushed motors are pretty forgiving though and can generally take more than the rating. But a 7.2v motor should be able to take 12v, 24 will probably burn it up though.
What’s you experience so far? Did you experience increased speed? Did the torque reduce or is it still acceptable? And the 27T motor you are using… how much rpm does it have unloaded? Thank you for coming back and stay well
Overall I wasn't really impressed, they ran hot and didn't really have the power I was looking for. I ended up hacking up the frame and putting in some power wheels gear boxes with 775 motors.
Was it easy to use a donor and replace?
@@IsaacBayer hi there would you tell us how did u go with the 775 gearboxes
On the gear box about 4:03 in the video where did you get the steel gear? Mine keeps breaking teeth off
That's just how it came.
Cheers for this!
Any before and after riding vids?
hey there, No I don't have any videos of it in action. I didn't end up using this setup very long. These motors didn't really perform as well as I was hoping for. Ended up using some pw gear boxes with 775 motors.
@@IsaacBayer awesome man, thanks for that info and reply! Im looking to upgrade my sons trike as it doesn't go up a slight slope with him. would love some tips!
Awesome video
If my Power Wheels motor has a 21 T gear, do I need to replace it with the same gear or can it be 23 or 19?
I just wanna ask something, sir. If I will upgrade the battery from 12v into 24v, should I also upgrade my gearbox to 24v 30000? Or, wouild a 12v 30000 rpm suffice? Thanks!
if you put 24v to a 12v motor, you run the risk of it running hot, burning up instantly, or causing pre-mature failure. That being said, motors tend to take more voltage pretty well, and i know people have run 12v motors on 24v for sometime with out problem. You will double the stated rpm too btw. so a 12v 30k motor will be faster than a 24v 30k motor. Long story short, if you want reliability than go for the 24v motors. If you want to go faster, and don't mind if they blow at some point, than go with the 12v ones.
@@IsaacBayer thank you so much for this info, great sir!
hi. ive got a feber rc 6v gear box and i want it to upgrade to 12v. Can i only buy an 12v motor and start it all or i have to buy a new gearbox too?
You should be able to just run 12v with out changing the motor and gearbox. Worst case you fry the motor, and then you can worry about upgrading. Motors are pretty forgiving with voltage.
Thanks for the video. Have you had a chance to test the motors in the car yet? Would this decrease the battery life?
Hey, thanks for watching. Most likely they will shorten your battery life. I did test the motors, Honestly, I wasn't that impressed. They were faster, especially on pavement or sidewalk. But with two kids, going in grass they struggle, and got pretty hot. I think it would be a decent setup for a one child car, used primarily on smooth flat surfaces. I ended up getting some powerwheel gearboxes, and putting the bigger 775 motors in them. I had to do a fair bit of fabrication to the body of the vehicle to get them to fit, but now it has torque for days. So I guess it depends on your intended use.
@@IsaacBayer do you have a video on that fabrication? Im interested in the performance as well
Isaac Bayer thanks for the video, this is very helpful. I’d like to know more about the fabrication process if you don’t mind sharing.
I would love to hear how you fabricated a newer style gearbox into the vehicle in order to run 775s
@@IsaacBayer do you mind sharing what 775 Motor and Gearbox you ended up buying?
Since both motors are 12v and the battery being 1 12v battery, would adding a second 12v battery increase power?
depends on how you wire it. in parallel it would provide a little more power for going up hills, and would double your run time. In series it would give you higher top speed and more power, but run time would say the same as a single battery.
@@IsaacBayer Thank you, think i'll go with the series.haven't taken a close look at the battery it comes with but i would guess a 12AH would be an upgrade.
@@Tampainian one thing though,if you wire it in series you will double the voltage. So you may fry something.
@@IsaacBayer Idk much about electrical stuff, but i figured since both motors are 12v and only 1 12v battery, their only getting 6v each?
@@Tampainian yes if u put them in series. If in parallel than 12v each
Hi Isacc Bayer: Can you give me your feed back. What i i were to get another gearbox "3D Plastic printed" but altering to accommodate a 775s motor? I have never used 3D printing thus dont know if this method is financially reasonable for just 4 units instead of 4000 bulk order? Many thanks in advance.
The problem is with the gear pitch. Finding a pinion gear for a 775 motor that would mesh with these gears is next to impossible. You would have to change the first gear. I would just go with a power wheels gear box that uses standard gear pitch.
Thank you much appreciated.
Isacc: You wouldn't happen to know where i can get my hands on a set of 7R gearbox casings/housings? as all i can find is Ebay @ £12 + £48 shipping "Each".
@@apsert www.amazon.com has them with metal gears or www.mltoys.com also has them alittle over price but they got alot of fancy. Power wheels. Accesories. Motors etc. Theres another i think its eastcoastpowerup.com they also have. What upgrade kits and extra replacement parts
@@giantn3842 ML TOYS are an utter waste of space. They Deliberately respond incoherent just so to piss you off! They are NOT interested in the likes of me or you JUST our $$$$$$$ To put it politely they are a bunch of "toss pots". Eastcoastpowerup. They did make an effort to respond. Hope this helps. BTW Saw a vid on the tube of a customer who was utterly messed around by M.L hence he made the video. Stay away from those lot if i were you. Thanks all the same for your comment/input.
Those gears are hard to find without the motor package.
I'm after a 10T 3.175mm bore for an RS550 12v brushless motor and its becoming a hard find.
Im not using any of the items shown in the video if you are interested in buying them. Not sure how that would work, but they are just sitting in a box.
@@IsaacBayerstill have it I'm on in buying it for my girls utv
Great idea
My toy bike old motor 12v 10000rpm 12v battery,so I thinking motor upgrade 25000 rpm... but wheel is not muving which problem? Plz guide sir.
Gears binding up? Can you turn wheel by hand? Bad wires or connection...dead battery?
It cud be the pedal or the switches are bad cuz not ment to handle. That power
Is same as costzon or costway
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The gear is probably a cast piece. No amount of heat will do anything :P
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sorry but heat expands.
Therefore makes the hole in the gear larger.