+TheMagicManSam since you love Mizzix so much, can you explain the oracle text/ruling. It says alternative costs aren't affected by his second ability. So when they were talking about overload were they technically wrong?
mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Alternative_cost Overload costs are not alternative costs; they're additional ones. Discarding cards and paying with life instead (Phyrexian mana, for example) are alternative costs.
+Zakading (Choi) Season 2 will begin filming sometime soon but if you want to suggest decks, just leave a comment here! We read every comment you all put on here!
***** Well, then I'll just take this opportunity to suggest a Diaochan "grouphug" deck with all the randomizing, control-swapping and general messing with the board and board politics as a whole. Something like tappedout.net/mtg-decks/diaochan-groupfug/ , for example. I'm sure Justin would love something ridiculously messy like that.
PLEASE play these decks again but updated. These are some of the best videos ever. I love Meren as a commander and will gladly fight Justin for her lol. Thank you guys for making these videos. Best part of my day. +Star City Games
This is a great series, thank you guys for making it!! Also if I may suggest -annoyingly perhaps-, it'd be so cool (if you had infinite money to pay the editor) to highlight each voice of the speaker when they are speaking. It'd really help us recognise who is who.
Awesome video, I needed my commander fix. I love the videos you did with the random commander decks (Jon playing group hug made my day). Do more videos like that. Go Parnell!!
Wicked video guys. I got myself the Black White one as soon as they released and it's so awesome. Have tweaked it a lot and added some pretty cool stuff. Favorite additions would have to be Erebos/Heliod/Athreos. As it stands now I think I've got around 50+ enchantments/enchantment creatures in it. Those spirit tokens get out of control so fast. It's great. Probably my favorite commander product Wizards have put out to date. They really did a great job with all the 2015 decks. Thanks for the great videos! Looking forward to the rematch of these commanders after you've customized the decks in season 2. Cheers!
+NotetoSelf9292 he could have won the turn before he drew nighthowler he had the mana to make a spirit and if he did he would have had a flyer to bestow
Glad it wasn't just me thinking that. Jarad would have been gone for good, Meren would have been forced to block and the game would have ended very differently.
"I think this might be my favourite legendary creature ever" This is not good enough. You must show true respect for the great Meren. From now on , she is your favourite card. Unless you want to be turned into a zombie... Though you would probably enjoy that ;)
Great video. The Farmer's Dating Service ad was hilarious, and that ending scene was also sweet. Meren has stolen all of our Golgari hearts. I've got a 2.0 version of her and Mizzix. Daxos has been giving me some fits, though. I tried going traditionally powerful enchantments, but I think my next version is going to focus on his token generation ability and just play lots of Anthems for a giant, flying army. For Meren, I really like the idea of turning her into a Dredge commander for what might be a less broken, but equally fun, deck. Kalemne, the R/W one, actually won our big four player game, by the way. I know Boros is pretty boring, but out of the box, I think it might be the deck that best faces off against Meren, so it's something to keep in mind for those playing these as-is. I sincerely think that while most of these decks durdle a lot in the beginning, Kalemne comes out and smashes in before Meren can build that overwhelming presence. Can't wait to see the update versions.
I wanna see Stephen Green play Rakdos, Lord of Riots, and Jonathan play Ruhan of the Famori. Wes could play Nin the pain artist and Justin could play Riku of two reflections. +star city games
+the Void While you are mostly right, the dudes would only grow if he started to draw enchantments. Daxos requires you to cast them to get experience counters.
+Benjamin Walsh Daxos triggers on cast. Unless you find a way to cast the tokens he creates (which doesn't exist in Magic), creating a token does not give an experience counter.
Every year when the commanders come out, for the 5th one that's left out, you should do a "misfit series" where you feature the new one that's left out and then the other 3 decks are previously also left out decks, or a custom build with the same power!
On 49:23 Jonathan used Act of Aggression and took control of Meren then used Gigantoplasm to make a copy of Meren sacrificing the original Meren. Jonathan should had gain and experience counter as a creature under his control died, also should got a creature going back to the battlefield or his hand on the end step until Justin made Meren's copy a -4/-4.
+Jose Segarra No and no. The original Meren did not die since it went to the command zone. And Giantoplasm entered the battlefield during the end step so missed the timing. By the time it came around to Jon's next turn, Gaintoplasm is already dead.
My friends and I bought the new commander decks. I got the Golgari deck. I hope Black and Green puts up a good showing. :D I also put in things like Avenger of Zendikar in to try and create sacrifice targets, and Pump up for an overrun attempt in the late game...
guys should play episode 1 with the alternate commanders using whatever they want such as no budget limit snakes, arjun the where's my hand, insect sac, but the white black dudes don't seem crazy even with that
omg... i died at the end of this video... dat wes face doe... dat wes face... a buddy of mine made meren when she came out, and it was good as well. a lot of these cards will smoothly fit with a prossh deck
Great Episode! I would definitely like to marry Meren as well. You guys should bring in David McDarby and Danny West and do some 5-6 player variant type stuff. Like Star Commander, Lieutenants, and the King variant.
Cost reduction has no impact on whether that general's triggered ability grants an experience counter("Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell with converted mana cost greater than the number of experience counters you have, you get an experience counter."). That being said the CMC of a flash-backed faithless looting is still less than 2 so you would not get a counter.
I think the combat that killed Wes was messed up. Maybe it was due to a miscommunication, but isn't the declare blockers step for Jon and Wes the same? So if Jon was casting Dominate, it would be before Wes blocked, so Wes had the option to block 2 additional wolves after the sacrifices. He may have died the next turn anyway, but is there something I missed? Did Jon mean to dominate AFTER blockers?
For the next season of CVS, do a four-player game with one commander from each commander set! For example, Zedruu, Oloro, Freyalise, Meren. You can have the deck be pre-con or not.
I played a 5 man commander game with all 5 of the commander decks and at one point I managed to pull off attacking with Kessig Cagebreaker to attack with 11 2/2 wolves with Griselda on the field xD.
Can't wait for season 2! When do you expect it to go live? Looking forward to it. Also I'd like to make a suggestion to make the starting place of the players random
Not sure if ideas for season 2 are laid out already, but something I'd like to really see is each of you all play your favorite general and/or colors. When I first was getting into EDH, I saw Danny and David's Tolsimir-Melek video, which they each described as their most personal decks. Seeing how much fun building an EDH deck around your favorite cards was is what got me and my friends into the format. I'd love to see you guys do the same. Which generals are your favorites? Have you guys built decks that you always keep on hand? What sort of 99 card dowery is Justin presenting to Meren on the wedding night? What general does Wes feel would use Cryptic Command the best? With all of the suggestions we throw out, what would you guys play just as YOUR favorite decks?
i would like to see a portal: three kingdoms versus game. the theme is pretty cool and the horsemanship mechanic is something i have never seen played. It would be awesome to see the mechanic in action it sounds like it could be fun
Wouldn't John have gotten an experience counter off of the Flashback of Faithless Looting, seeing as you are casting the spell again; or does it only check the CMC of the card itself and not what you paid for it?
Star City Games please tell me you guys sell those playmats. i want one for the green black deck as i bought it ( and i want to collect playmats regardless ) and these are very nice. Also do you sell others? like the Theros God playmats? those were nice.
can i challenge justin to play a off the wall commander deck in one of the next few games? run cards like ashnod's coupon and R&D's secret lair. just for the heck of it. we all wanna see Wes buy you a drink
This might be a crazy, stupid, and/or dumb idea, but I think it would be cool if you played with player made cards. Perhaps four commanders that you all agree are fair.
I know it would be a real mess, but I would like you to play four massive tokens decks with lots of anthems that affect every player; it would be the most chaotic yet beautiful battlefield of the multiverse
Well, no surprises really. Meren is leagues above all other generals from this series, and Mizzix, in multiplayer, for sure can be as powerful as meren or even more powerful, but not right out of the box. These precons need a looot of work to make them really competitive, but the new cards are cool, so they have that going for them.
+Kerry Teague I play EDH ever since the first precons came out, and I play magic for even longer than that. These decks, in general, are bad. Some of them have specific good cards for what they are trying to do (phyrexian arena, sigil of empty throne for the BW, sakura-tribe elder, kessig cagebreakers for the BG, etc.). But, in general, they are bad. And these are definetly NOT the best precons. Did you play with the green precon last year? It was excellent, the red precon was pretty decent, so was the white one. They needed tinkering and some staples, of course, but they were good. These, on the other hand, are not. The ONLY reason I can think of anyone to buy these decks is have access to the new cards, but even then I would wait to buy the singles. And please, don't give me the 'you haven't been playing for very long' without even knowing me.
+Ricardo Maia I've been playing since invasion so I have a pretty good knowledge of cards and precons. precons always need some fixing, even the brochure gives you recommendations for what to add. none of the precons are perfect out the box but they give you a building block you can use to make it personal. I felt the green commander of 2014 wasn't good, the red was good, and the black was the best in terms of synergistic. the blue was also synergistic but with other combo cards not in the deck off the back.
+Kerry Teague (Amneoss) which Sword would you reprint? they were precon, not meant to have value but some type of synergy. the white lacked Artifact synergy and focus on white weenies, not voltron. if it was a voltron commander deck, then it would have added any Sword or batterskull. but you can't just add Batterskull without Stoneforge Mystic. it would change the deck value and card construction.
+Gavin Parr someone has to win, and justin happened to curve out better than everyone else. Wizzards idea of balance is to playtest each match hundreds of times and see if the win rates smooth out over many many games... But the first few might seem unbalanced if some decks are less intuitive to pilot, it may seem someone wins more because they got the easy to use deck... judging from his excitement Justin was already pretty hyped for and mentally prepared to pilot the self sac strategy.
***** oh absolutely, I can see that her ability makes for the most snowballing of advantages, and the deck is really good at enabling it... maybe I'm just trying to play up the other decks because I'm biased towards the Mizzeix deck
+Luis Macias Well, Mizzix is pretty incredible if you tweak the deck juuust a little bit. I played it for the first time after modifying 10 cards (replacing mostly bad creatures) with 4 mana rocks, 2 sudo-swipes (curse of the swine and cyclonic rift), incendiary command, reiterate, wild ricochet and pyromancer goggles. And that made the deck stupidly better. Ended the game by casting mizzix's mastery to burn one opponent to death and crushing the last guy with a 80/4 charmbreaker devil while his board was tapped by Sleep. (Also, free Blatant Thievery Ezuri and Meren turn 3 thanks to Spinerock Knoll felt good)
+Jul Teb I want to make Mizzix, but first I want to get a copy of reset. At 4 EXP at minimum, you go infinite. Just keep gaining mana off your Reset that you copy with Reiterate to then burn everyone out with Lightning Bolt (or funnier yet Gut Shot).
+ZakanaHachihaCBC A bit late to this party, but an alternative/addition to Reset is Reality Spasm. Spasm can't go infinite without Mizzix on the board except under very specific circumstances (basically, good mana rocks/multimana lands; you need to generate three above X so something like Gilded Lotus + Izzet Boilerworks), so Reset still has a solid place, but you can still Firemind's Foresight for Spasm and, very importantly, you can use Reality Spasm on your turn. If you wind up sitting to the right of a blue player, letting them untap can easily cost you the game. I initially only used Reset but got much happier after adding in Reality Spasm alongside it.
Ezuri, Claw of Progress is nuts, for the budget video Wes better put the Squirrel Nest+Earthcraft combo in it. Also Sage of Hours, Fathom Mage, Triskelion, Spike Weaver, Spike Feeder, Hardened Scales, ect. For extra fun Power Artifact + Grim Monolight and/or BAsalt Monolith for infinite mana for things like Orochi Hatchery and Riptide Replicator.
+Kerry Teague (Amneoss) I built pretty much this exact deck, and it's OP. I was originally gonna make it infect, but I thought it was a bit too douchey and cutthroat. Glad I didn't, because even with a powered down version, I had 28 experience counters on turn 8. Casting 30 power snapcaster mages feels really strong.
Steven, next season could you run a bear hug deck? It's basically regular group hug but you hug them... to death. the deck kinda leans towards RUG builds for blue and red's wheel of fortune effects with mass draw and greens hug enchantments, but there is a case for black in spiteful visions so cards like molten psyche can deal 10~20 damage to everyone. as for commanders grix has Nekusar and Jeleva as options to make the bear hug kill someone and lord of thresserhorn and old bolas as fun beat sticks as for rug generals all but animar in the color kinda work, surrak if flavor full with bear punch and all, wanderer can hit multiple wheel effects to make decking go faster,same with intet, but riku is probably the best as always with the whole doubling everything.
For season 2, can someone make a Relentless Rats or Shadowborn Apostle deck? I really want to see some thrumming stone action. Stephen should be the one to do it. Or Wes. I honestly don't really care who, just play it please.
Apostles it is then! Just imagine, sacrifice 6 Apostles to tutor up a demon and bring them all back at the end of turn with Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker. Nice and powerful.
I know Stephen was going slow for comedic effect, but it made the video a lot slower paced in places, so that I was actually skipping forward to get to cool bits, which isn't something I usually do.
Mizzix doesn't give you a counter based on how much you pay. It's based on that cards converted mana cost only. If you have 5 counter ans cast a 6 CMC spell that costs 5 colorless mana and a Blue mana then you only have to pay the one Blue but you still get an additional counter when the spell resolves.
+Noah Morris A cards additional cost or alternate cost counts as well toward the CMC if you choose to pay it. So he should have gotten a counter for flashing back faithless looting.
+Noah Morris Not true. CMC always looks at what is at the top right corner: "The converted mana cost of an object is a number equal to the total amount of mana in its mana cost..."(202.3), "Additional costs don’t change a spell’s mana cost..."(117.8d), "An alternative cost doesn’t change a spell’s mana cost..."(117.9c)
I'm not sure Meren's effect is *that* broken. Certainly it's a powerful effect, but it's comparable to Sheoldred and Razia, trading the more powerful effect of getting value the turn you play it, but adding the alight restriction of the exp counters (and losing the sac ability of Sheoldred and the more relevant bodies of both).
+Zach Difference is, Meren is a four drop that can get online and just snowball so very, very quickly. Sheoldred is just a little bit better overall, but because she takes so much longer to get online, you are better off just running Sheoldred in Meren and letting it snowball even further. Plus, Sheoldred doesn't get access to great cards like Sakura Tribe Elder, and the other cards of that ilk that fall in Green. As for Razia . . . Not sure how that is relevant? She's an 8 drop R/W commander, who has nothing to do with reanimation. Just saying, based on what I've seen of Meren, both in what I've watched, and from personally playing with and against her, she's a pretty devastating commander to try and stop.
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the change of playmats was a nice touch.
also, Mizzix is love, Mizzix is life.
+TheMagicManSam i always enjoy it when people im subscribed too, comment on other videos of peole im subscribed too.
Has he replaced nin in your Izzet edh deck Sam?
I love Nin as well, but Mizzix makes things explode. I like that.
+TheMagicManSam since you love Mizzix so much, can you explain the oracle text/ruling. It says alternative costs aren't affected by his second ability. So when they were talking about overload were they technically wrong?
mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Alternative_cost
Overload costs are not alternative costs; they're additional ones. Discarding cards and paying with life instead (Phyrexian mana, for example) are alternative costs.
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10/10 director
(Choi) Happy Thanksgivings from all of us at Commander VS! Keep being awesome and go play some new Commanders (or any Commander)!
+Star City Games Hey, one question: any plans on when season 2 will start and can we suggest decks to play for you guys anywhere? :D
+Zakading (Choi) Season 2 will begin filming sometime soon but if you want to suggest decks, just leave a comment here! We read every comment you all put on here!
+Star City Games Justin with Zur the Enchanter, Jonathan with Cromat, Wes with Oona Queen of the Fae and Stephen with Iroas God of Victory
***** Well, then I'll just take this opportunity to suggest a Diaochan "grouphug" deck with all the randomizing, control-swapping and general messing with the board and board politics as a whole. Something like tappedout.net/mtg-decks/diaochan-groupfug/ , for example. I'm sure Justin would love something ridiculously messy like that.
+Christian Feldtmann Why would you punish dear sweet Oona?
Thought Farmers Only was a surprise UA-cam ad... scared the crap out of me haha.
I don't get why Esteban Verde AKA Stephen Green's name and life total isn't green.
One of the best video series on any game i've ever seen. Never change the roster, keep it up!!!!
PLEASE play these decks again but updated. These are some of the best videos ever. I love Meren as a commander and will gladly fight Justin for her lol. Thank you guys for making these videos. Best part of my day. +Star City Games
The little skit at the end XD 11/10 worth!
to paraphrase one of my favorite shows: Welcome to Commander VS special, the show where everythings made up and the points don't matter!
post game stephen that was the funnyest thing i have ever heard "gimme that sh!%×" hahahaha
Lol Ikr it shocked the hell out of me
There is at least one hug in all of these videos that involves Wes and Stephen. XD
that commercial in the video caught me by surprise and I loved it lol
This is a great series, thank you guys for making it!!
Also if I may suggest -annoyingly perhaps-, it'd be so cool (if you had infinite money to pay the editor) to highlight each voice of the speaker when they are speaking. It'd really help us recognise who is who.
I fell in love with Meren the second she was spoiled too. A few additions (Grave Pact and Viscera Seer being 2 big ones) and it's really fun
Loved the video happy you guys had a blast at GP Atlanta. Stay awesome making these incredible videos Justin, Jonathon, Stephen, and Wes.
They actually start at 18:37 btw
Awesome video, I needed my commander fix. I love the videos you did with the random commander decks (Jon playing group hug made my day). Do more videos like that. Go Parnell!!
Wicked video guys. I got myself the Black White one as soon as they released and it's so awesome. Have tweaked it a lot and added some pretty cool stuff. Favorite additions would have to be Erebos/Heliod/Athreos. As it stands now I think I've got around 50+ enchantments/enchantment creatures in it. Those spirit tokens get out of control so fast. It's great. Probably my favorite commander product Wizards have put out to date. They really did a great job with all the 2015 decks. Thanks for the great videos! Looking forward to the rematch of these commanders after you've customized the decks in season 2. Cheers!
Definitely want to see the guys get together and do a recap video!
Ezuri, Claw of Progress, hmm, so Ezuri, Renegade Leader was captured.... that can't be good for the remaning Mirrodin Rebels....
Stephen green at the end was hilarious "GIMME THAT SH-BLEEP"...*starts rubbing meren on face*
WHY DIDNT YOU EXILE THE JARAD?! WHYYYYYYY
+NotetoSelf9292 he could have won the turn before he drew nighthowler he had the mana to make a spirit and if he did he would have had a flyer to bestow
+synner the tokens are weird they spirits that don't fly
William Henry oh
Glad it wasn't just me thinking that. Jarad would have been gone for good, Meren would have been forced to block and the game would have ended very differently.
"I think this might be my favourite legendary creature ever" This is not good enough. You must show true respect for the great Meren. From now on , she is your favourite card. Unless you want to be turned into a zombie...
Though you would probably enjoy that ;)
Great video. The Farmer's Dating Service ad was hilarious, and that ending scene was also sweet. Meren has stolen all of our Golgari hearts.
I've got a 2.0 version of her and Mizzix. Daxos has been giving me some fits, though. I tried going traditionally powerful enchantments, but I think my next version is going to focus on his token generation ability and just play lots of Anthems for a giant, flying army.
For Meren, I really like the idea of turning her into a Dredge commander for what might be a less broken, but equally fun, deck.
Kalemne, the R/W one, actually won our big four player game, by the way. I know Boros is pretty boring, but out of the box, I think it might be the deck that best faces off against Meren, so it's something to keep in mind for those playing these as-is. I sincerely think that while most of these decks durdle a lot in the beginning, Kalemne comes out and smashes in before Meren can build that overwhelming presence.
Can't wait to see the update versions.
Awesome video, best one yet! I watch and enjoy them all. Can't wait for season dos bandits
I must say, these videos got a lot better when the director/editor turned into a massive troll.
Ezuri, Claw of Progress, meet Sage of Hours! Oh, you two already know each other?
I would love to see these commanders again, but have the guys build their own decks around them, see them go crazy
I wanna see Stephen Green play Rakdos, Lord of Riots, and Jonathan play Ruhan of the Famori. Wes could play Nin the pain artist and Justin could play Riku of two reflections. +star city games
Green could just keep activating Daxos if he was flooded and produce dudes that would grow and win.
+the Void While you are mostly right, the dudes would only grow if he started to draw enchantments. Daxos requires you to cast them to get experience counters.
+Nathar45 you mean sea of 3/3 is worse than empty board and losing game ?
"...you are mostly right..." Quote me.
+the Void the tokens are enchantments so each one adds a counter
+Benjamin Walsh Daxos triggers on cast. Unless you find a way to cast the tokens he creates (which doesn't exist in Magic), creating a token does not give an experience counter.
Great videos. Would you consider changing the seating? Who you play into could change the way you play.
omg you guys make commander so fun and enjoying thank you for making all the videos!!
Every year when the commanders come out, for the 5th one that's left out, you should do a "misfit series" where you feature the new one that's left out and then the other 3 decks are previously also left out decks, or a custom build with the same power!
Any chance to see a rerun of this match with pimped/updated decks? I'd like to see the the players try and exploit those new commanders.
On 49:23 Jonathan used Act of Aggression and took control of Meren then used Gigantoplasm to make a copy of Meren sacrificing the original Meren. Jonathan should had gain and experience counter as a creature under his control died, also should got a creature going back to the battlefield or his hand on the end step until Justin made Meren's copy a -4/-4.
+Jose Segarra No and no. The original Meren did not die since it went to the command zone. And Giantoplasm entered the battlefield during the end step so missed the timing. By the time it came around to Jon's next turn, Gaintoplasm is already dead.
Awesome
My friends and I bought the new commander decks. I got the Golgari deck. I hope Black and Green puts up a good showing. :D I also put in things like Avenger of Zendikar in to try and create sacrifice targets, and Pump up for an overrun attempt in the late game...
Am I missing something? Jarad has summoning sickness. Overwhelming Stampede doesn't give haste to creatures, so how did Justin get to swing with it?
+Mark Mendoza He did not. He swung with Extractor Demon
Really enjoy these videos, is there a chance to also get some more 2-player EDH videos?
guys should play episode 1 with the alternate commanders using whatever they want such as no budget limit snakes, arjun the where's my hand, insect sac, but the white black dudes don't seem crazy even with that
Justin, you totally should have gotten the shriekmaw back. A repeatable killspell that ticks up your experience counters!
Don't feel bad Justin, I'm a big lover of Green/Black shenanigans too XD
That ending was great. Couldn't stop laughing.
Can you have a game with Oloro,Ob Nixilis Unshackled, Daghatar and Kiyomaro.The interactions are amazing.
omg... i died at the end of this video... dat wes face doe... dat wes face... a buddy of mine made meren when she came out, and it was good as well. a lot of these cards will smoothly fit with a prossh deck
If Stephen drew Empty the warrens it'd be INSANE!
What did the 3 Commanders Arsenal Symbols mean above Stephen Greens name?
Great Episode! I would definitely like to marry Meren as well. You guys should bring in David McDarby and Danny West and do some 5-6 player variant type stuff. Like Star Commander, Lieutenants, and the King variant.
Honestly this set seems just a blast to play out of the box. Commander Limited should be a thing.
Cost reduction has no impact on whether that general's triggered ability grants an experience counter("Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell with converted mana cost greater than the number of experience counters you have, you get an experience counter."). That being said the CMC of a flash-backed faithless looting is still less than 2 so you would not get a counter.
If Snoop played Magic, he'd play Mizzix of the Iz-Izmizagiznus.
Mizzix: Mizzix’s last ability doesn’t change the mana cost or converted mana cost of any spell. It changes only the total cost you pay.
love the turn 3 missed meren trigger on the sakura tribe elder.
I think the combat that killed Wes was messed up. Maybe it was due to a miscommunication, but isn't the declare blockers step for Jon and Wes the same? So if Jon was casting Dominate, it would be before Wes blocked, so Wes had the option to block 2 additional wolves after the sacrifices. He may have died the next turn anyway, but is there something I missed? Did Jon mean to dominate AFTER blockers?
Love the videos guys. When is season 2 coming!?!
For the next season of CVS, do a four-player game with one commander from each commander set! For example, Zedruu, Oloro, Freyalise, Meren. You can have the deck be pre-con or not.
And some of you signed a sleeve for a verdant catacombs. :D
I played a 5 man commander game with all 5 of the commander decks and at one point I managed to pull off attacking with Kessig Cagebreaker to attack with 11 2/2 wolves with Griselda on the field xD.
Can't wait for season 2! When do you expect it to go live?
Looking forward to it. Also I'd like to make a suggestion to make the starting place of the players random
That Mere deck is just too good. It is the bane of fun
I would actually love to see this same matchup again but allowing for the guys to build the decks themselves.
Oh guys can you pleasssse do Krond the Dawn-Clad ?! Maybe do something where him and Vela the Night-Clad and a few other commanders duke it out?
Not sure if ideas for season 2 are laid out already, but something I'd like to really see is each of you all play your favorite general and/or colors. When I first was getting into EDH, I saw Danny and David's Tolsimir-Melek video, which they each described as their most personal decks. Seeing how much fun building an EDH deck around your favorite cards was is what got me and my friends into the format. I'd love to see you guys do the same. Which generals are your favorites? Have you guys built decks that you always keep on hand? What sort of 99 card dowery is Justin presenting to Meren on the wedding night? What general does Wes feel would use Cryptic Command the best? With all of the suggestions we throw out, what would you guys play just as YOUR favorite decks?
I agree they should do this video!
Jon missed a couple clone Meren triggers!
Anyone else notice at 40:20 that Stephen drew 8 cards instead of 7 like he was supposed to? lol
gg wp all. thanks for the special! will we be seeing a rematch with the guys making edits next season?
+WeskersPlayhouse I hope so! A few of these decks could really use some improvements
what about palying with pimped out commander '15 decks? :)
i would like to see a portal: three kingdoms versus game. the theme is pretty cool and the horsemanship mechanic is something i have never seen played. It would be awesome to see the mechanic in action it sounds like it could be fun
Season 2 in January. I needed this.
Wouldn't John have gotten an experience counter off of the Flashback of Faithless Looting, seeing as you are casting the spell again; or does it only check the CMC of the card itself and not what you paid for it?
it only checks the cmc of the spell but the flashback cost is reduced by the number of experiance counters on the player
Justin forgot to get his sakura tribe elder back in his hand the turn he cast Meren.
Star City Games please tell me you guys sell those playmats. i want one for the green black deck as i bought it ( and i want to collect playmats regardless ) and these are very nice. Also do you sell others? like the Theros God playmats? those were nice.
54:20 shouldn't that have been 12 damage? 2 from base power, 2 from the vow, and 8 from creatures in the graveyard....
at 50:12 jon should have gotten an experience counter from meren... so yah
+Stormingcrow No, the original Meren didn't die, it went to the command zone.
So what you're saying is the graveyard strategy was super strong? What a shocker.
can i challenge justin to play a off the wall commander deck in one of the next few games? run cards like ashnod's coupon and R&D's secret lair. just for the heck of it. we all wanna see Wes buy you a drink
I expect Wes Wise to have Cheatyface in all of his decks.
This might be a crazy, stupid, and/or dumb idea, but I think it would be cool if you played with player made cards. Perhaps four commanders that you all agree are fair.
When John was milled for 22, he milled a blue Sun's zenith, shouldn't he have shuffled it back into his library?
No, the Zeniths only shuffle back when they resolve if you cast them.
I know it would be a real mess, but I would like you to play four massive tokens decks with lots of anthems that affect every player; it would be the most chaotic yet beautiful battlefield of the multiverse
Well, no surprises really. Meren is leagues above all other generals from this series, and Mizzix, in multiplayer, for sure can be as powerful as meren or even more powerful, but not right out of the box. These precons need a looot of work to make them really competitive, but the new cards are cool, so they have that going for them.
that's true. they needed working on from the precon.
+Kerry Teague I play EDH ever since the first precons came out, and I play magic for even longer than that. These decks, in general, are bad. Some of them have specific good cards for what they are trying to do (phyrexian arena, sigil of empty throne for the BW, sakura-tribe elder, kessig cagebreakers for the BG, etc.). But, in general, they are bad. And these are definetly NOT the best precons. Did you play with the green precon last year? It was excellent, the red precon was pretty decent, so was the white one. They needed tinkering and some staples, of course, but they were good. These, on the other hand, are not. The ONLY reason I can think of anyone to buy these decks is have access to the new cards, but even then I would wait to buy the singles. And please, don't give me the 'you haven't been playing for very long' without even knowing me.
+Ricardo Maia I've been playing since invasion so I have a pretty good knowledge of cards and precons. precons always need some fixing, even the brochure gives you recommendations for what to add. none of the precons are perfect out the box but they give you a building block you can use to make it personal. I felt the green commander of 2014 wasn't good, the red was good, and the black was the best in terms of synergistic. the blue was also synergistic but with other combo cards not in the deck off the back.
+Kerry Teague (Amneoss) the white was terrible, I loved the idea but it lacked support. I took it apart for my eight-and-a-half-tails voltron.
+Kerry Teague (Amneoss) which Sword would you reprint? they were precon, not meant to have value but some type of synergy. the white lacked Artifact synergy and focus on white weenies, not voltron. if it was a voltron commander deck, then it would have added any Sword or batterskull. but you can't just add Batterskull without Stoneforge Mystic. it would change the deck value and card construction.
Out of the box Meren beat all of our masterly tinkered Commander decks. Great job guys!
+Gavin Parr someone has to win, and justin happened to curve out better than everyone else. Wizzards idea of balance is to playtest each match hundreds of times and see if the win rates smooth out over many many games... But the first few might seem unbalanced if some decks are less intuitive to pilot, it may seem someone wins more because they got the easy to use deck... judging from his excitement Justin was already pretty hyped for and mentally prepared to pilot the self sac strategy.
***** oh absolutely, I can see that her ability makes for the most snowballing of advantages, and the deck is really good at enabling it... maybe I'm just trying to play up the other decks because I'm biased towards the Mizzeix deck
+Luis Macias Well, Mizzix is pretty incredible if you tweak the deck juuust a little bit. I played it for the first time after modifying 10 cards (replacing mostly bad creatures) with 4 mana rocks, 2 sudo-swipes (curse of the swine and cyclonic rift), incendiary command, reiterate, wild ricochet and pyromancer goggles. And that made the deck stupidly better. Ended the game by casting mizzix's mastery to burn one opponent to death and crushing the last guy with a 80/4 charmbreaker devil while his board was tapped by Sleep.
(Also, free Blatant Thievery Ezuri and Meren turn 3 thanks to Spinerock Knoll felt good)
+Jul Teb
I want to make Mizzix, but first I want to get a copy of reset. At 4 EXP at minimum, you go infinite.
Just keep gaining mana off your Reset that you copy with Reiterate to then burn everyone out with Lightning Bolt (or funnier yet Gut Shot).
+ZakanaHachihaCBC A bit late to this party, but an alternative/addition to Reset is Reality Spasm. Spasm can't go infinite without Mizzix on the board except under very specific circumstances (basically, good mana rocks/multimana lands; you need to generate three above X so something like Gilded Lotus + Izzet Boilerworks), so Reset still has a solid place, but you can still Firemind's Foresight for Spasm and, very importantly, you can use Reality Spasm on your turn. If you wind up sitting to the right of a blue player, letting them untap can easily cost you the game. I initially only used Reset but got much happier after adding in Reality Spasm alongside it.
I cannot wait to put money into my Meren deck. She gives so much card advantage it's insane!
I love Meren, I'm proud of this win!
Hilarious ending!
Ezuri, Claw of Progress is nuts, for the budget video Wes better put the Squirrel Nest+Earthcraft combo in it. Also Sage of Hours, Fathom Mage, Triskelion, Spike Weaver, Spike Feeder, Hardened Scales, ect. For extra fun Power Artifact + Grim Monolight and/or BAsalt Monolith for infinite mana for things like Orochi Hatchery and Riptide Replicator.
+Kerry Teague (Amneoss) I built pretty much this exact deck, and it's OP. I was originally gonna make it infect, but I thought it was a bit too douchey and cutthroat. Glad I didn't, because even with a powered down version, I had 28 experience counters on turn 8. Casting 30 power snapcaster mages feels really strong.
1:20:32 Replaying it over and over.
You missed a Meren trigger
Steven, next season could you run a bear hug deck? It's basically regular group hug but you hug them... to death. the deck kinda leans towards RUG builds for blue and red's wheel of fortune effects with mass draw and greens hug enchantments, but there is a case for black in spiteful visions so cards like molten psyche can deal 10~20 damage to everyone.
as for commanders grix has Nekusar and Jeleva as options to make the bear hug kill someone and lord of thresserhorn and old bolas as fun beat sticks
as for rug generals all but animar in the color kinda work, surrak if flavor full with bear punch and all, wanderer can hit multiple wheel effects to make decking go faster,same with intet, but riku is probably the best as always with the whole doubling everything.
question is, did he sign the 'sign in blood' with his own blood?
For season 2, can someone make a Relentless Rats or Shadowborn Apostle deck? I really want to see some thrumming stone action.
Stephen should be the one to do it. Or Wes.
I honestly don't really care who, just play it please.
Stephen played a relentless rats deck. It's our all creature video. :-)
Apostles it is then!
Just imagine, sacrifice 6 Apostles to tutor up a demon and bring them all back at the end of turn with Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker. Nice and powerful.
Should I make my Ezuri deck infect or would that be too evil in EDH?
I kind of really need to know whether Wes' Cryptic Command thing was scripted tho XD
wow meren is great!!! all of those decks are right out of the box with no personal cards swapped in right? not bad!!
I would love to play edh with you guys and happy thanksgiving 😄
How about this!
Daxos of Meletis vs Daxos the Returned vs Teferi Temporal Archmage vs Teferi Mage of Zhalfir
I know Stephen was going slow for comedic effect, but it made the video a lot slower paced in places, so that I was actually skipping forward to get to cool bits, which isn't something I usually do.
merfolk tribal? as one deck that can be seen next season
Mizzix doesn't give you a counter based on how much you pay. It's based on that cards converted mana cost only. If you have 5 counter ans cast a 6 CMC spell that costs 5 colorless mana and a Blue mana then you only have to pay the one Blue but you still get an additional counter when the spell resolves.
+Noah Morris A cards additional cost or alternate cost counts as well toward the CMC if you choose to pay it. So he should have gotten a counter for flashing back faithless looting.
+Noah Morris Not true. CMC always looks at what is at the top right corner: "The converted mana cost of an object is a number equal to the total amount of mana in its mana cost..."(202.3), "Additional costs don’t change a spell’s mana cost..."(117.8d), "An alternative cost doesn’t change a spell’s mana cost..."(117.9c)
Ah. Alright. Thank you.
I'm not sure Meren's effect is *that* broken. Certainly it's a powerful effect, but it's comparable to Sheoldred and Razia, trading the more powerful effect of getting value the turn you play it, but adding the alight restriction of the exp counters (and losing the sac ability of Sheoldred and the more relevant bodies of both).
+Zach Difference is, Meren is a four drop that can get online and just snowball so very, very quickly. Sheoldred is just a little bit better overall, but because she takes so much longer to get online, you are better off just running Sheoldred in Meren and letting it snowball even further. Plus, Sheoldred doesn't get access to great cards like Sakura Tribe Elder, and the other cards of that ilk that fall in Green.
As for Razia . . . Not sure how that is relevant? She's an 8 drop R/W commander, who has nothing to do with reanimation. Just saying, based on what I've seen of Meren, both in what I've watched, and from personally playing with and against her, she's a pretty devastating commander to try and stop.
meren op! by the way Justin, you missed the first recursion trigger :P