I just want to say thank you for resisting the temptation to exclusively make your channel focused around debunking hacks like this and continue to pump out well-researched and timely science education videos which get 50x fewer video views. Your educator's ethos shines through.
@@philipinchina nothing to do with tricks or ponies. Educational content was the original intention of this channel. However, what is significantly more popular is debunk videos. Prof Dave can make any kind of content he wants to. The views are just the market responding to what it wants most
There are two things that I am 100% sure of: 1. Professor Dave makes incredibly entertaining and educational videos. 2. I never want to get on Professor Dave’s bad side.
@@contextwithjohnmalone Stick with subjective topics. For example, his Blade Runner tribute song isn't really my kind of music; in certain circumstances I might be willing to argue the merits of the song. In the end we could and likely would, agree to disagree. We could both leave the discussion thinking the other was a jerk, and both be right.
Tour: "stop calling me a liar! this is just attacking my character!!!" Also Tour: "hey look at this picture of Dave being goofy, doesn't he look GOOFY? Is this what a SCIENTIST looks like???"
@@TheMilitantMazdakite ...Where's the whataboutism? Calling Tour a liar is an appropriate description of what he does, what he does is the actual ad hominem.
@@TheMilitantMazdakite Considering that "Dave was so mean and rude" seems to be the only argument Tour fans have (because like hell they actually understand the chemistry), I'd say it means a lot.
James Tour will always be known as a delusional narcissist until he stops being a delusional narcissist. But to do that, he'd have to realize he's a delusional narcissist. But he can't do that, because he's a delusional narcissist.
It's also the sunken cost fallacy. He is so deep in this whole ordeal that even if in deep inside he realizes that he is wrong, he will never admit it. Probably not even to himself. His brain would probably shut down before he'd acknowledge his dishonesty.
I'm so thankful that I took the time to challenge my beliefs and watch videos like this. I have heard all of the arguments made by people like James and I finally just decided I should actually research it. Crazy how wrong the church is and I literally had a pastor tell me don't seek education, seek faith. That was when I realized I should definitely seek education and learn the truth. Your channel really helped me with this.
@@RuosongGao what does this have to do with anything? I was addressing the fact that this person seem to think that only his pastor can lie to him. Everywhere you go there are liars even when you think you're being educated.
@@O_tropos Sure, but if you explore widely, what are the odds that *MOST PEOPLE* you meet will be trying to lie to you? Minimal. It's you who is missing my point.
@@RuosongGao well there are 1.2 billion christians that's alot of people. They all lie to you are they not? They are the biggest religion. By your standard they might be having the truth about religion then
Dave roasting the heck out of false scientists is one of my favorite things to listen to while I work. I don't know why, it's got an oddly soothing feel to it. I think it's a mix of Dave's patience yet annoyance, nice sounding voice, and the fact that even if I am science illiterate the explanations are clear enough for me to follow while doing something else.
At the risk of sounding crass, it is to me like science pornography. Endless gratification from liars being taken down a peg, and I get to learn some of the real science being denied to boot.
Ya me too lol. I actually feel more intelligent after too lol. Ty Dave for your relentlessness on dunking these clowns. Their sheeple may never leave them but it’s a scientific fact that you can’t fix stupid lol.
@MotherDuck like @Bee said, part of this for me is debunking the totally real sounding "science" I remember from when I was christian. I can't remember the website now but it had some real scientists but they were all trying to support creationism and I had showed it to some of my science teachers and all they did was laugh at me which further entrenched me. So for me it's multifaceted but having Dave explain everything is kind of cathartic.
James is a classic case of Argument From Authority. "look at my degree, but don't fact check anything I say, you are too ignorant to understand my big brain science words!"
It is also "looks at my degree, but dont read what subject is about, now listen to what i have to say about this other topic I'm totally qualified about"
My favorite part is how those scientists are fake experts yet this will be such an epic challenge for him. They're that enemy so weak you can destroy yet so strong they control the world
@@NinjaMonkeyPrime Yea, he is an esteemed scientist in his field but corrupted by religion on abiogenesis and evolution. That must require a high degree of cognitive dissonance.
"Learn about both science and faith. Yes, a scientist can have faith, and talk about both things -- publishing in the best scientific journals while also considering deep issues of faith, the Bible, and Jesus Christ. I love both science and faith, but Jesus the most!"
I enjoyed every second of this, thank you so much, Dave. I could listen to you tear apart this fraud with the scientific literature he won’t touch all day. These James Tour debunks hit a little differently for me, considering I used to listen to him on my way out of religious indoctrination. The world owes you one.
As one of the poor undergrads who had to take a class with Tour, I appreciate this video haha! Keep up the great work, we're cheering you on from Houston :D
@Kabab101 You've got back-up over here in the UK too cheering on the side of science & reason! America seems to be such a strange mix of late bronze age goat herder's myths & secularism. It must be difficult because you all seem to have to "wake up", shuck off those first formative years of religion. It seems to be accepted that a normal question over there is "What church do you go to?" I can honestly say that I've never been asked that over here!
@@Aengus42 I've recently read the comment of someone from the UK that's over 60 or something like that, and he said that it was totally impossible to be raised without religion, and that "What church do you go to?" was also the norm over there years ago. I really hope the US takes the same path.
@@San_Vito I was born in 1964 and i eas completely unsullied by religion. I've been a lifelong atheist although I still quite enjoy a poke around our old churches in a Philip Larkin "Churchgoing" kind of way. But that'd apply to any old buildings as some of our churches go back to the last gasp of the Romano-British especially here in the SE corner of England with lots in the thousand year old bracket. Ambling around a church wall playing "Spot the Roman roof tile!" is a great way to walk off a Summer Saturday afternoon pint!
It's comical how far this guy has fallen. When I was researching Abiogenesis as a young-earth creationist 2 years ago, Tour was the last creationist who made any arguments I considered reasonable and compelling at the time. Your first video (and all of them since) was so logical and addressed all my final concerns (mostly argument from complexity reasoning). I still thought Tour was a good guy who just put a lot of weight on his faith. Once I saw the rebuttals, I knew this guy was dishonest and I lost all respect for him. Thank you Dave for valuing truth and scientific integrity!
I know this is like a year late but well done, it takes a lot of courage to admit that a belief you held for so long isn't correct. I wish more people had the same sort of mindset. And it's not like I'm against religion, I think it's good to hold some belief in higher power but it shouldn't interfere with science. I like to think that a god created the universe and let it develop by itself and we're just figuring it out, through science.
So bizarre to me that creationists call proven chemical and biological processes things like "silly nonsense," while simultaneously believing a magical guy in the sky blinked humanity into existence.
This is only partly true...he sneezed humanity into existence...after he had taken some earth from his sandbox...he/she modeled man...and sneezed on it....there it is...divine abiogenesis
Woah, never thought I'd see this kind of pushback to Dr.Tour. But I'm kinda glad someone out here like you is serving up a good old heaping serving of "humble pie" I used to work as a groundskeeper at Rice University. And believe it or not, I've gotten to casually talk with Dr. Tour a couple of times. He always felt kinda "off" to me when talking to me. As if he never really was talking "with me" and more "at me". Sticking strongly to his Christian agenda. He would always try to sell me on becoming a Christian follower and joining his young adult focused sermons that would involve other Rice students attend there(I was 20 at the time). I've tried pushing back in saying I just find it hard to believe in God given the life I've lived. And boy, just doing that I can tell irked him cause for a brief second I felt the "mask slip" and saw more an agitated Dr.Tour. I always gotten the vibe that this guy wouldn't be ashamed to call himself the second coming of Jesus if it wasn't considered blasphemous of him to do so. This guy really seems to love stroking his own ego because of how much he sees himself as a "goody two shoes perfect Christian" EDIT: Dude, that undergrad satire post might as well be real cause holy fug that was more or less to tee his interactions with me lmao I once in a blue moon still go visit Rice University and now I'm tempted to just bring up your channel name to him just to see how he reacts lol. Keep on the good fight my dude👍
14:45 If anyone debates James in the future I hope they get a chance to corner him on this "stop all research" stance. Cancer research has many more years than abiogenesis and we still haven't cured it after throwing way more money and effort. Should we stop and ignore everything done so far until a fresh batch of researchers comes up with new ideas? James might try and argue that while no cure has been found, we have improved diagnosis and treatment for cancer improving survival rate. If he makes that logical mistake, the gotcha is that he now has implied that all abiogenesis research up until now is faulty or incorrect but he's unable to prove that in the realm of science using peer reviewed papers. If he can't discredit the papers in peer review, then he can't claim the work is faulty and not making progress. If he backpedals and tries to claim abiogenesis isn't making progress fast enough, he then has deal with the issue of time and effort spent on cancer with no cure. So much of his stances rely on faulty logic I can't believe he wants to debate.
James doesn't mind people being cured of cancer, but he does mind people being cured of their religious indoctrination. Cancer is bad for humanity, but Christian Creationism is good for humanity lol. Trust me. 🤭
@@k.c.r.5974 Exactly why there's huge money in a treatment that cures cancer... Would you rather own the patent on chemo therapy or would you rather own the cure to cancer? _(Even forgetting the awards & fame & money that will go to the person who discovers it.)_ Even if your only motive is money....you still have motive to discover and sell the cure, because once someone has discovered a cure...then no one will choose chemo therapy! So, yes, people who currently make money from current cancer treatments have motive to stop _other_ people from developing the cure first, but they also have motive to develop the cure themselves. (In fact, they have more motive than anyone to find it the fastest, because they have the most business to lose if someone else discovers the cure & starts the curing business first!) ... They would maintain access to all their current repeat "customers," but also gain access to...almost everyone lol. There is a huge market of people with cancer who aren't getting treatment from any business right now, but who would get the cure. Mainly people who are choosing quality of life over quantity. Current cancer treatments are so difficult that they lose "customers" fast. All would be regained by the ones with the cure. *TL;DR* Cancer is big business, and a cure to cancer would be the biggest business of all time! There's just so many people who have cancer (and who will have cancer)...that the business of curing cancer will easily dwarf the business of current treatments. The number of patients will definitely make up for the fact you won't have to see them over and over. (And either way, it's better for the current business owners to have the cure, even if it negatively affects their current business of ongoing treatments, than to let other people have it and steal 100% of their business.) Ok /end rant sorry 😊✌️
Cancer isn’t a singular disease as can cure with one miracle drug. But we have actually made amazing progress in the treatment or prevention of cancer. The HPV vaccine is 97% effective at preventing cervical cancer if you get it before you contract HPV. Treatments for childhood ALL have increased the survival rate to 95%. We have excellent screening methods for things like colon cancer, which when discovered early (which most are if these screening recommendations are followed), is highly curable now. Cancer is not a monolith. It is dozens of different diseases and even within the same cancer, there can be incredible variation from patient to patient. But the progress we’ve made in the field is incredible.
@@thepapschmearmd A better analogy might be how Earth was formed. We have several ideas, but we probably will never know for sure. But that doesn't change what we observe or physics. It's also an analogy that creationists won't like.
Professor Dave! LOVE THIS, roasting these assholes is not only cathartic as hell, but it also helps people de-convert. I hope you make more of these videos, calling out science denying people and roasting them like the grifters and liars they are. Your a gem to all of us and I am grateful that your here to fight the good fight.
Some of the viewers MAY have caught on to the hoax. This is NOT James Tour. It is a never-aired comedy sketch by Martin Short, portraying a "mad scientist" character. This was done during Martin's short "ketamine & cocaine" period, which explains the ATTITUDE the character possesses. BTW, Martin is feeling MUCH BETTER now. RockOn, Prof Dave.
I just picture James Tour having a Homelander-style mental breakdown in his office. Staring at himself in the mirror and hallucinating a conversation with himself.
It is hilarious because you can tell Professor Dave really got under James Tour's skin. Not just in a "screw that guy, I'll ignore him" kind of way, but "OMG I can't stop thinking about Dave, I have literal nightmares about him" kind of way.
15:15 Ironically the 'Darpa challenge' is what Lee Cronin has been doing. This is how I first interacted with Lee Cronin (me, not Prof Dave) because back in 2016 Discovery Institute (yes, those guys again) had published an attack piece on one of his publications from around then, and which Cronin had publicized as an OOL 'moonshot' in an attempt to revisit the issue and look at it from fresh perspectives. I let him know about it, and he said "Outrageous. The article is meant to widen approaches & have an origin of life moonshot, not fan creationist nonsense." Everything Tour complains about or suggests is what people have already done/are doing.
Just looking at what Benner has done in the field it's clear that James is desperate to get people to not look behind that curtain just like the Wizard of Oz.
I went to Tour’s comment section of the Harvard debate and I don’t think a single one of his followers actually watched the debate. One of them said about the round table portion “a circle of closed minded people next to a very bright man”
@@jdos5643 Quote from his about page: "I received a BA in chemistry from Carleton College, and performed graduate studies in both synthetic organic chemistry and science education at Cal State Northridge, receiving an MA in the latter. Prior to this I taught for about a decade in various high school and undergraduate settings, specializing in organic chemistry but also teaching general chemistry, physics, and biology." *_"he’s a fraud and he’s been exposed on his channel"_* Source: Your ass.
@@jdos5643 *_"you can brag about your said “qualifications”"_* I never mentioned my qualifications. I quoted Dave's. Hence the "quote" before the quote. *_"Start with the origins of the universe…..can you provide the facts please?"_* You want me, a random person on the internet, to give you a detailed explaination of one of the biggest mysteries in science because we have little to no access to the rest of the universe to investigate an event thats long past, to some delusional little shit who believes he knows more than any scientist alive and dead... in a youtube comment section... Seriously? The short answer is: I dont know. The long answer is: I dont know because I have no access to tools to investigate and I dont really give a shit about the topic. But me not knowing doesnt automatically mean your delusional claim that your imaginary, magical friend poofed everything into existance because an iron age book with talk snakes says so which you believe without question. *_"or are you going to coward and delete your comment like many unqualified evolutionist do?…."_* Unlike you I have nothing to be ashamed of nor reason to delete my comments because unlike you I have a sense of credibility and intellectual integrity. You think someone has an evidence based answer? Go to them. Ask them to show you their nobel prize. Then beg them to explain reality to a worm like you.
@@jdos5643 In no reality in the infinate multiverse is what you said correct. *_"atheists are Adamant about calling theories facts in science"_* It literally takes seconds to look up the term "scientific theory" to learn that theories are the highest form of knowledge in science, explaining the facts. FUCKING SECONDS! Atomic theory, theory of matter and energy, cell theory, germ theory, theory of plate tectonics, theory of evolution, theory of quantum mechanics, theory of relativity, theory of light energy, theory of electromagnetism, theory of radioactivity, theory of molecular bonds, theory of homeostasis, theory of gravity, etc.. Evolution is a scientific theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts do not go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air, pending the outcome. *_"If you cannot explain the Big Bang theory and I quote you it’s a “mystery” then neither can or should you call it a fact"_* Whats with this obsession about the big bang? I didnt call it a fact. Its not an actual scientific theory. Every scientist knows that. Its just that over time the name stuck with it. Yet every scientist understands the difference between it being a hypothesis that we might never elevate to the level of a scientific theory but it still has valid evidence supporting it partially. Like a few other hypothesises about the origin of the universe. And even if scientists knew absolutely nothing about the origin of the universe, theists like you or those pretending to be scientists have done nothing to prove that a god exists or was involved in any event. *_"the Big Bang was Invented by a Christian ironic how atheist hold It as a fact and still call it an Unexplainable mystery lol how contradicting is that?"_* A scientist who happened to be a christian had a hypothesis, it got investigated for decades, turned out we found supporting evidence, turns out people talk about it... Somehow thats contradicting. Thats fucking stupid. *_"And if you admit that the universe is too vast to comprehend? Then why be so quick to dismiss the only plausible explanation that God did it?"_* Ah, yes. The feuerstein fallacy. God might exist outside our knowledge but we have no way to investigate therefor god is an acceptable explaination. Somehow... You have not provided anything that convinces any rational person that your god exists, that he has powers or that he used his powers to do anything. Theists always fail at the first challenge. Thats why I dismiss the god claims. *_"You admit to not knowing 90% percent of what’s out here yet deny a God or creator."_* Yes, because you dont know either. Because its an argument from ignorance fallacy. Or in your terms "we dont know how it happened therefor god". Every other type of theist could bring the same claim about their god and nobody could falsify it. Its completely useless. *_"When setting God aside as the only source for the universe you then accept the belief in a magic box..."_* Except natural forces have literally nothing in common with magic. You promote magic, not me. *_"And if you don’t know as you just admitted then why are you giving your invalid input?"_* Not knowing about the origin doesnt invalidate my opinion on the topic of your imaginary friend. Especially since your nonsense claims are filled with fallacies. *_"with your comment you just demonstrated you have no intellectual integrity"_* Admitting to not know an answer instead of making shit up is by definition intellectual integrity. Which is the opposite of what you are doing because you pretend to be better educated than any scientist. *_"All you have proven is the opposite or pure dishonesty."_* Thats called projecting. Evidently. *_"You said and I quote you you don’t know or care a $h@_*_ about the topic. Yeah you said it all."*_ Because the origin of the universe doesnt tell you anything about the topic of the video. Context is important. For me at least. *_"Btw, I don’t use such language in my vocabulary because that’s not what my professors taught as part of curriculum…."_* Of course not. All those fallacies, false accusations, projecting, lies, being a douche is totally not such language. /s *_"and there you are still proving yourself a coward who deletes his comments because you have nothing factual to say or even defend your false beliefs."_* You literally responded to my comments that I havent deleted, I defended my position and now you lie about both. But keep pretending you loser are a scientist. Someday someone might be dumb enough to fall for it. PATHETIC!
I am a Christian of a sort and was open to Dr. Tour being a genuine scientist of integrity but when I noticed his use of emotional rhetoric and mainly Bible verses to drive home his belief in physical resurrection, I had to pause and do some research. I see now that he is an ideologically driven clown with a lot of ego on the line that he is desperate to uphold.
I said it before, I'll say it again. Prof Dave does an INSANE amount of work, sometimes for only a few minutes of his video! Tour says it in this video here, how much work it is to read through the primary literature. Hell, I have a PhD in molecular biology, I understand most of what Prof Dave is talking about, but so much of this information takes so long to weed through/understand and present in a palatable manner. Prof Dave is a machine!!!
true that, molecular biology student here and, this guy just reads papers like drinking water, idk how he does it. he must have a few clones or something lol
@@agustinfranco0 Although probably more than he realizes, he _is_ a *_rather_* smart guy, with a broad field of knowledge, as is shown by his channel content. I honestly aspire to something like it.
Don’t you think that Lee Cronin’s (dave’s expert) research sorta supports intelligent design? His research involves using robots to deposit oil, water and many other components in a specific manner. In addition, the materials used in his synthesis does not naturally occur in primordial earth. Dr. Cronin himself said that everyone who has created “life” in the lab has cheated because they used materials that have already been previously synthesized. I feel like that supports an intelligent design worldview.
I saw this today because my car was in the shop… I had to show it to my wife when she got home because she has frequent communications with James Tour through Rice U. She’s completely depressed now. “He seems like such a nice guy.”
Fundamentalist Christians are all pathologically "fake nice". It's a strategy that allows them to just whine about how mean other people are instead of addressing what they're saying. That's why it's so hilarious that James is acting like a mudslinging douchebag in his latest video, he is giving up his only play.
It’s odd because from what I’ve read and what I’ve been told about him, he’s laid down a fairly accomplished career and had a hand in some very promising technology. It is sad because it is one of those cases where someone would be way better off sticking to what they know. Still… you’ve gotta admit… he’s got mad editing skills. 😂
Mr Dave is neither a researcher nor a professor at University. He is a UA-cam vlogger with BA in Chemistry. I believe it's not worth responding to him. James Tour is one of world's respected scientist, sensible people will see through Dave's lies.
Hey professor Dave. I'm glad you're able to advertise your music on your main channel in this video. Tannhauser Gate was my 4th most listened song this year on Spotify, and i love it obviously. thank you for doing all you do to promote science.
He was lucky enough to live in an enlightened period history. Christian science in earlier times came with the very serious risk of being convicted of blasphemy or heresy.
@@timo.5449 And his belief in God is what caused him to get the things he got wrong, wrong. In fact, he arrived at conclusions at times that he rejected himself because they contradicted his belief in God.
For those who think it is impolite to attack Tour and the DI: "A prominent organization in the United States behind the intelligent design movement is the Discovery Institute, which, through its Center for Science and Culture, conducts a number of public relations and lobbying campaigns aimed at influencing the public and policy makers in order to advance its position in academia. The Discovery Institute claims that because there is a significant lack of public support for evolution, that public schools should, as their campaign states, "Teach the Controversy", although there is NO controversy over the validity of evolution within the scientific community" (Wikipedia). According to the DI, illiterate idiots should decide, by vote, on what is science and what is not! The article claims that ONLY 32% of the American public accepts the theory of evolution. Among Christians who regularly attend church, only 1% accepts it. Of the countries surveyed, only Afghanistan has a lower level of support for evolution than the US (26%). In Norway, only 8% of the population does NOT support evolution. I do not know about you guys, but I find these numbers frightening. Science is leaving people behind, and in the US the majority of people live in a make-believe world. The country is basically screwed: you have a very bright minority making all the decisions, and a huge illiterate majority barely able to write and read, who believes in fairies and unicorns. It does not look good.
Disputing these percentages: Scientific American had in 2019 an article called How Many Creationists are there in America? The situation is bad but not as bad as you suggest.
@@marknieuweboer8099 You may be right, but these are not my suggestions. I checked two polls reported by Wikipedia. The poll was a 2009 Pew poll. 31% (!!!) of Americans were Young-earth creationists, 22% believed in evolution guided by God, and only 32% believed in evolution guided by natural forces. The rest are non-responders. In 2014 (Gallup poll) among churchgoers, 69% (!!!) were YEC, and only 1% believed in "blind" evolution. Even among people who did not go to church, evolution had a 34% support. Perhaps the situation has improved in 9 years? Evolution is supported by many more people in essentially the entire world. These beliefs are linked to education. 87% of US scientists support evolution. According to the same article, 79% of people support evolution in Kazakhstan, 77% in India, just to name two countries which many associate with poverty and lack of development. If you have different numbers let us know.
@@galileog8945 It always amazes me that most people don't seem immediately upset that the DI has a written objective to turn the nation into a theocracy.
I think Dave has been a great addition to the world of truth. Living in reality is something he's quite good at it seems. His videos of him just absolutely flaming people are always my favorite though 😂🔥 💀
Living rent free in his head sounds like an understatement. I'm sure more than once he's woken up in a cold sweat screaming "Those can't polymerize spontaneously!" and mumbles "Dunning-Krueger effect" under his breath while he tries to work.
I don't think religions have ever tackled the big questions of life....because they don't have ANY questions. They just twist elements of the reality they observe to fit the answers they have already decided upon.
@@James-th9nm science acknowledges it doesn't know everything and then takes logical steps to find out about what it doesn't know..making some blunders but retracing and trying again...thus making slow but relentless progress. Religion says it has all the answers so don't bother thinking about it and don't learn anything new or different.. One thing I have learned is that you are just a bored person with nothing better to do than engage on a fairly meaningless you tube thread..with someone you neither know nor care about. So you can go practice your linguistic skills on someone else...because I DO have something better to do... or...just rest in your blind faith....it'll work out one way or another. Take care.
@@appledough3843 Yeah, hypocrisy is more the forte of "Professor Dave". He's quick to criticize his opponents for their supposed _ad hominem_ attacks, while he himself engages repeatedly in the vilest of deprecations like it's not a logical, fallacy as long as he does it. (😏 Sure, Dave, anything you say.) 🤔 Hmm, nonsense isn't nonsense so long as he's the tainted source from which it flows! Amazing. Someday he needs to explain to people just how that works; we'd all love to hear the plan.
@@Galantski They are attacking him with ad hominem,they are saying that because he is rude that his argument shouldn’t be taken seriously which is an ad hominem
I’m gathering by the tone of these comments that feelings have been hurt due to the fact someone tore Tour very hard indeed. Name calling seems to the order of the day. I dare even one of you to watch one of the unravelings produced by Farina, all the way through.
Professor Dave, I've only watched a few of your videos but I have to say, thank you! I guarantee you that many formerly (myself included) homeschooled, religiously indoctrinated kids benefit greatly from you and people like you. So many people don't seem to realize that there are many kids who are being brainwashed into ID/Young Earth Creationism. They don't realize it, so they don't think it's important to go after the Tours and Hovinds of the world. Much love and respect ❤
It's really not important. These subjects are never going to affect the lives of the average person. The only reason the creationists care is because when you're one of those people that believes in a literal interpretation of genesis science either has to be wrong or your whole religion is a lie. I was raised exactly the same way. I learned all the Ken Ham talking points, visited the creation "meuseum" all that good stuff. To be fair, it was a lot easier to dismiss some of this stuff back in the mid 90s when there had been a number of hoaxes around "missing links" and we didn't have the same volume of evidence, DNA analysis, etc. Nowadays if you actually learn about this stuff it's really hard to go along with it.
I actually just rewatched your 3 videos on tour, glad to have a 4th. Is it possible to have a 2nd on günter since he’s running his mouth again about your video on meyer?
He's gonna do several little hit pieces about the Meyer debunk, I'l wait until he's done and then humiliate him again. The balls on these DI douchebags.
@@Blondeafroman853 if no one,took on these scumbags, millions more,would believe in the trip they brainwash people into believing. If we had Dave over the last 2000 years, we wouldn’t have half the population believing in sky daddies and ghosts like we do now. If only we could clone him and send a copy back for each decade…
Good on James Tour! He's doing wonderful work! He's doing God's work! He's introducing Professor Dave to people who otherwise wouldn't have heard of him... 🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏
dude why are you so awesome, you actually make easy to understand points and use papers to back it up. and anyone can try to prove you wrong by looking up what you say by looking at your evidence. good on you hope more people learn from you when talking about stuff. Wonderful entertainer, and damn you are an amazing teacher.
Actually, James Tour frequently highlights sections in the papers cited by Dave that contradict Dave's points. Have you watched any of Dr. Tour's videos?
@@sethgyan Bite me. Tour is a fraud and I will not be lied to by one of his insipid little ignorant parasites trying to suppose that they know more because of their stupid non-existent god.
Comments section be like: Tour Troll: Dave got destroyed! He's wrong about everything! Person: Can you point out where he's wrong? Or even where his sources got it wrong TT: Waaaahhh! Why won't he debate Tour!? Person: So you can't provide me with anything where he's wrong? TT: Waaah! I'm being persecuted!
@@Yourwaifuisntreal It's kind of amazing (and depressing) how many of the commenters attempting & failing to criticize Dave will confidently use the term "ad hominem" without even knowing what it means.
He gave that abiogenesis talk at rice promoted by rice, and is tenured here and all of us just have to suffer through his class. A couple of weeks ago he literally made a comment about how it would be ok for the US to b*mb Syria for any reason
My roommate was trying to do an exposé about him and all of the issues students have had with him (including xenophobia and aggressive misogyny) and he got it shut down and threatened to sue her and dox her and her family to his channel
@@jde3610 Do you have any other specific stories of what it's like taking a class with him? Is he as unhinged and delusional giving lectures as he is on his channel?
It's not that hard for an honest interlocutor to distinguish between inane prattling and actual science. Dave Farina provides incredibly detailed scientific analysis supporting his position and references experts with specific understanding of the issue being discussed. Like Dr Tour - I don't know what Dave's speciality is but I'm pretty certain it's something to do with organic chemistry - he knows a hell of a lot more than I do on the topic and I ALWAYS learn something from his presentations. James Tour has all the hallmarks of a terminally unfunny carnival huckster combined with the scientific rigour of a flat earther. He would be well-advised to shut up.
Professor Dave does it again...and again....and again...and, well, you get the picture. And, this time was truly awesome, as I had heard that ProfD made music, but had no idea where to find it, so kudo's to Jim for 'exposing' ProfD's music video so Dave would have to address it, and tell us where to find Simulated Sun music channel. Looking forward to digging into that! Keep at em, ProfD! You've become a huge force to be reckoned with in the battle against ignorance!
I have a love/hate relationship with people like Tour. Love because of how comical their persona and beliefs are (it's like they're a cartoon character or something), hate because they're a prime cultural contributor to science denial and how that feeds into so many other issues in society.
Great video once again, Dave! Although I do wonder, does any of this stress you out? Knowing that morons like Tour are out there trying so hard to misrepresent you? I hope you keep uploading these bangers, Dave! We love your content!!
I mean it this point it is just a circus sideshow. It was one thing to call me "clueless". This latest trailer is such transparently desperate character assassination that I'm hoping even some of his followers will realize how pathetic he is. He is really shooting himself in the foot with this infantile behavior.
@@ProfessorDaveExplains He's shooting not only his foot but his entire career, i'm sure small portion of his minions will finally wake up, but that's a stretch seeing as how science illiterate they are.
@@jdos5643 How about you try watching the video that Dave had uploaded instead of blindly regurgitating whatever script your local priest gave you. Thanks!
@@jdos5643 "One science fact". Ladies and gentlemen, Mr "J Dos" has presented the full criteria necessary for any argument in the field of science. If I tell him the temperature of the sun, do I get to be his new guru? 🤔
For some reason after I started watching all these James Tour/Discovery Institute/flat earth debunks from Dave, I started getting a shit ton of religious push ads. I'm sure it's just a coincidence or it's because religion is commonly mentioned in these places, but I find it kinda funny that I'm getting religious ads on a bunch of content debunking religious lies/misunderstandings
what I love so much about Dave is that he's the guy who got me through a lot of my calculus and college courses, but then he's also a sarcastic GOAT of a debator. Probably one of my favorite UA-camrs on the entire site
What scares me is what Tour does works for a not minor group of people. He's part of an organised group dedicated to twisting the truth to conform to their ideas. Their power comes from their influence over their followers, and I just don't know how you reach them
I discovered you accidentally from your debunking videos and have only come to appreciate your channel more, having watched some of your lessons and many more debunks. Thanks for existing.
I went to visit the comments section on James's counter vid. He is literally saying the same things you smashed again. Please keep your foot on the gas to wreck this guy. He grosses me out. Discouraging students to tackle the big questions? So gross.
Great stuff Dave! May I suggest that you encourage people to look at all of the educational material on your channel at the end of each video? I watched several of your videos a while back and thought that you were all about debunking until I actually went to the channel and looked around. Soo much valuable information! And I'd hate for people to make the first assumption that I had made. I admire your patience and attention to detail when you are battling the anti science trend. Keep up the good work!
i know it's bad to seek entertainment from the destruction of someone, but that trailer at 20:10 just makes it so legitimate for me, it's really convenient and nice of james tour for our eyes to see but of course, the biggest thanks goes to dave
@@anthonyoctaviano9055 You think the creationists are roasting Dave in comments? None seem to be able to even give a single specific example of Dave being wrong.
this is the sort of scientist drama I love. I myself am an organic synthetic chemist (so basically same specific field as James Tour, except not nearly as experienced due to being young), but I'm also well-versed in biochemistry because our research group works with synthesis research of novel biomolecules etc. So everything from human biochemistry to abiogenesis chemistry/physics is stuff I *love* and read about a lot and this nonsense is weirdly satisfying. I'm by no means an expert in synthesis, I'm only in my late 20s, so only the better part of a decade of orgsynth experience, but I feel weirdly validated by seeing through Tour's idiocy. The fact that someone like me with only a few papers under the belt knows more about the chemistry of abiogenesis than some old fart with hundreds of papers is... validating also, the way Dave throws shade on James is so satisfying because it reminds me of irl discussions, but not nearly as brazen since Dave and James aren't colleagues lmao. I fken love this
I know the feeling. I am also a biochemist, and when I hear James Tour talk, I suddenly feel like a genius. Wow, 700 papers and I know more than he does.
I'm convinced that James understands everything about abiogenesis just fine. He's just decided to lie about it for his faith. It's so pathetic that he's lying about the mundane for no reason. Why did he bother to imply that the people Dave interviewed didn't know the purpose of the questions? Not only was it a lie, it really has no impact on the papers or work that is being quoted. It's just a random note he tossed into his lecture to try and discredit Dave. And let's not forget, that only gets you to "shooting the messenger". Discrediting Dave doesn't sleep change the actual papers on the topic. Just like the entire section of his music video footage. I'm sure James knows all that but because he thinks he's at war he doesn't care what it takes and will do anything.
@@NinjaMonkeyPrime As I wrote elsewhere, a friend psychologist looked at a Tour video, and he doubts that Tour is a liar. As all psychologists tend to do, he found him sick. He suffers from an unresolved cognitive dissonance. When that happens, mental faculties tend to fail and people are known to spout nonsense. Indeed I think James should know that peptides can form in water or simple things like that, but his brain malfunctions when someone attacks his worldview BECAUSE he already knows about his own dissonance in his own brain. I am not a psychologist and I also thought he was a liar. But maybe he is really fucked up in the head and urgently needs a shrink!
@@NinjaMonkeyPrime Well, I do not totally believe a diagnosis based on a video. He may be way more wicked and malicious than my friend thinks. In any case, I do not know Tour and I do not have contact with him. If I did, I would suggest seeing a psychologist.
I'm not very familiar with Tour's work, but I just listened to an interview with Tour and found his comments to be compelling. This vid popped up as a suggestion after I watched the interview - it wore me out. I couldn't listen to the whole thing. Too much mud slinging. I'm worn out from this kind of content. Professor Dave, have you formally invited James to debate? I'd would love to listen to it and hear what you have to say in contrast to Tour. I'm new to the subject of life origins and would like to sort things out. That said, I'm going to explore some of you other videos. This one is not a good introduction for me.
This video is not supposed to be an introduction, it's the last one after three lengthy videos dismantling Tour. Try the first one, see the "compelling" arguments Tour really has.
On Dave’s videos, I see 99% Dave fans and 1% creationists in the comments. On James’ videos, I see 50% Dave fans and 50% creationists in the comments. That’s all you need to know. 😂😆
I’m honestly glad professor dave can further explain this to James Tour and the other DI “experts” so I can further refute more of the origin of life spews that family tends to talk about from their church. I’m an engineer, not a chemist; if someone wanted to debate the universe and physics, I can do that all day. I would be completely lost for thought in origin of life because it’s not my field. Thanks Professor!
Dave Farina - I know you produce a lot of content that helps students at various academic levels and I have a huge amount of respect for your debunks and your unwavering, homing missile approach in targeting the worst of the charlatans out there. Keep doing what you are doing and don’t let them get up. You are a great science communicator - fingers crossed you make it to mainstream TV/SVOD soon!
7:30 I love this so much. You live in his head so utterly rent free that he introduces you to his own audience in the same style as he talks about Nobel prize physicists
I can see some of James' young audience (their giggling sounded like middle schoolers) and them going to find Dave on UA-cam, then coming to school the next day and saying "You know what? Dave's right!" The next day 😂
Dave, normally I'm an advocate of "debunk but be polite" however I love your absolutely wicked style not only taking people like James down but also the no nonsense replies to people commenting below. Keep it up
So... Looks like our dear friend GreenTrees wasn't interested in addressing Tour's lie I pointed out with a specific video title and a timestamp. Running away and deleting the comment with all the replies was easier after all.
Science is hard. Explaining science is even harder. Explaining science to a deluded Creationist with an unwarranted superiority complex in a way they can understand is, unfortunately, impossible. Nice try though Dave!
I'm not a determinist (I do think humans have free will to some extent) but in this case I make an exception. Creationists don't really have a choice, because understanding for them means quitting creationism.
The only thing I hate about Dave's debunks of James Tour is that my name is James. Listening to Dave walking James Tour like a dog makes it almost humiliating to share a name with him, lol.
It’s disturbing how many comments I’ve read (and haven’t scrolled through most of them) about being indoctrinated by the church when they were younger! Im stoked ppl are becoming wise to it but so many won’t and or don’t have a choice, it’s sad and a form of child abuse in my opinion!
yep. my grandfather heavily abused my dad, and then my dad went on to abuse my mother, but he “loves jesus” so its ok. its fucking disgusting. my grandmother on the other side of the family is the only genuinely good christian i’ve known. its sad because religion can be harmless, but corrupt churches and people like my grandpa ruin all of it. oh and something else i should mention, he’s a pedophile. after him and my grandma divorced he almost immediately married someone else. he was 46, the girl he married had just turned 18.
13:51 - Amino acids aren't homochiral? Wikipedia seems to say otherwise: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homochirality Can someone explain why Dave says this? Amino acids definitely have chiral centers as do glucose molecules.
@@ProfessorDaveExplains Very kind of you to respond. Are you talking about a section in a different video? Otherwise it seems as though your definition of homochirality is not the most commonly used definition.
"Homochirality can also refer to enantiopure substances in which all the constituents are the same enantiomer (a right-handed or left-handed version of an atom or molecule), but some sources discourage this use of the term." I guess that's the isse? Is there actually some "cutoff" point, e.g. as soon as theres more than one amino acid molecule?
JoM, "homochiral" means a group of substances having the same absolute configuration. Thus, natural proteins are homochiral because they contain amino acids of the same absolute configuration. Tour keeps referring to SINGLE substances as "homochiral", which is nonsense. In his latest video he reiterates: "nobody has ever even made homochiral glucose". He has not yet understood what the word means.
@@ProfessorDaveExplains Hello, Dave is wrong again Homochirality is a term that can be used to define a molecule that has a similar handedness to a group of molecules. For example I can say: "I got homochiral amino acids" to say that the amino acids I got are all of the same handedness (here, L-amino acid). Many organic chemists use this term in this sense, James is not the only one, my professors did it too: that's why it says "19 of the 20 natural amino acids are homochiral, being L-chiral (left-handed), while sugars are D-chiral (right-handed)" on the wikipedia page. It also says: "Homochirality can also refer to enantiopure substances in which all the constituents are the same enantiomer (a right-handed or left-handed version of an atom or molecule), but some sources discourage this use of the term." This is how the term is used in our case, we can note that Dave is correct when he says that the more correct term is "eniatiopure". I hope this helped.
Questions that you'll never get an answer for; 1) Why is it acceptable for christians to lie? 2) Why does the christian god need quite so much money? 3) Show contemporary secular evidence for Jesus 4) Show positive evidence for the existence of their god.
@@marknieuweboer8099 Do you know what secular actually means? I guess not otherwise why leave a crass comment like that? It means "not subject to or bound by religious rule" - it does not mean you don't belong to a religion. And my use of it in this context is meant to mean "outside" of their bible. The bible is the claim and not the evidence. There were many historians (secular) around at that time and if Jesus is the person that is claimed then there would be records, I'm merely asking for them. The most notable one would be Philo of Alexandria, his writings form the basis of christianity yet does not mention the Jesus figure once.
1) _"To lie in a case of necessity or for convenience or in excuse - such lying would not be against God; He was ready to take such lies on Himself"_ -Marthin Luther Can't help with the others.
That's exactly what I meant. About all intellectual minds during Antiquity had bound themselves by religious thinking. The Roman authors eg worshipped and sacrificed to Jupiter etc. During the Roman Empire christians were called atheists because they denied that Emperors were divine. Educate yourself.
@ KarlD: I looked him up. Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy writes: "His theological contributions were not merely negative however, for he also provided comments that support the notion of divine goodness." Hardly an atheist. The site quotes the guy: "One god is greatest of gods and men, not at all in body and in thoughts." If you're interested in Ancient atheism look at India and Carvaka.
Notice how James mentions the view count on Dave's debunks, but not his own shite. Two possible reasons for this. Either 1. His count is way lower, highlighting how small the ID crowd actually is or 2. His count is around the same or higher, thus torpedoing his victim narrative. He can't win, so he ignores his own count.
I went down the rabbit hole. Just for the record: Dr Tour series have on average 21k views on each part, around 316k views combined, which is not even half of any of Prof Dave videos on him.
@@samuelmarger9031 It's encouraging tbh... To know that aside from his own herd in the echo chamber pretty much no one else follows him. Reassuring too, seeing that even him realizes it so he is forced to cry about it.
22:58 Omg the action music James picked for this trailer is so over the top and ridiculous! Not only is it painfully cliche stock music, but it was definitely originally created to play over scenes of people in physical peril during action trailers... there's supposed to be guns, explosions, something like that going off by this section! Usually while shaky cam follows some characters running or fighting for their LITERAL life...I swear I've heard this same music in trailers for movies with dinosaurs, monsters, alien invasions, etc. Just, general disaster flicks - with lots of stuff getting destroyed, including the people, being physically maimed and killed constantly. 🤦 So, congrats Dave! I suppose this means you have been officially classed as a monster level threat against James Tour and his ideology. _(Based on your content and your concern for religious indoctrination and suppressing science as well, I assume you'll take that as a compliment.)_ 😉✌️❤️
James Tour was recently selected by my university to give a talk where he on multiple occasions promoted his UA-cam channel in which he promotes conservative values, misogyny, and the denial of countless hours put in by some of the most brilliant people in the world into origin of life research. It's frightening to know that someone with such dangerous views can sneak past censors and educators with the false sense of credibility that he holds to his own name.
Your university needs a slap of reality, send anyone and everyone who runs it links to his worst videos and explain to them that they platformed a bigot and an extremist without doing their due diligence
I realise this is complicated, but if a goddam university cannot educate its students about how dumb this man is then i suggest you find a new uni post haste. I find it pathetic and sad that you youngsters resort to censorship rather than dealing with the idiocy via facts. If you by some remote chance are actualy faculty, then holy fuck. So much wrong either way.
I nominate Prof. Dave as a knight of science. I like to think of the rage that would ensue amongst the religious if we refer to Dave as Sir Professor Dave.
Maybe even call him "My Lord" to hammer in that he's a "prophet" speaking actual truth. If only he could do a chemistry experiment turning water into wine. Maybe they'd believe him then?
I just want to say thank you for resisting the temptation to exclusively make your channel focused around debunking hacks like this and continue to pump out well-researched and timely science education videos which get 50x fewer video views. Your educator's ethos shines through.
I second that. There is a danger of becoming a one trick pony. You have not.
Dave is the best! An inspiration, really.
Professor Dave is one of the reasons I got an A in calc II!
I will add that your physics videos were a massive help as a first year AP Physics teacher
@@philipinchina nothing to do with tricks or ponies. Educational content was the original intention of this channel. However, what is significantly more popular is debunk videos. Prof Dave can make any kind of content he wants to. The views are just the market responding to what it wants most
There are two things that I am 100% sure of:
1. Professor Dave makes incredibly entertaining and educational videos.
2. I never want to get on Professor Dave’s bad side.
I'd be ok with being on his bad side, I just wouldn't choose science denial as the arena.
@@MrLeafeater I’m not willing to risk it 😂
It's the Italian blood acting up
@@contextwithjohnmalone Stick with subjective topics. For example, his Blade Runner tribute song isn't really my kind of music; in certain circumstances I might be willing to argue the merits of the song. In the end we could and likely would, agree to disagree. We could both leave the discussion thinking the other was a jerk, and both be right.
@@MrLeafeater oh I get it. But I could see Dave writing a revenge song like Taylor Swift. 🤣
Tour: "stop calling me a liar! this is just attacking my character!!!"
Also Tour: "hey look at this picture of Dave being goofy, doesn't he look GOOFY? Is this what a SCIENTIST looks like???"
Whataboutism.
@@TheMilitantMazdakite ...Where's the whataboutism? Calling Tour a liar is an appropriate description of what he does, what he does is the actual ad hominem.
@@antonioscendrategattico2302 Okay, you're right. But the point is hypocrisy doesn't mean anything.
@@TheMilitantMazdakite Considering that "Dave was so mean and rude" seems to be the only argument Tour fans have (because like hell they actually understand the chemistry), I'd say it means a lot.
LOOK! It’s only bad when it’s happening to him. Tour has earned the right do what he wants to anyone with impunity; why can’t you get that?
James Tour will always be known as a delusional narcissist until he stops being a delusional narcissist. But to do that, he'd have to realize he's a delusional narcissist. But he can't do that, because he's a delusional narcissist.
He's too deep. He will go to his grave like this.
People have been trying to do the same with Kent Hovid for decades. You can't fix a malignant narcissist.
@@ProfessorDaveExplains But he's deep. He have at least one feet in the grave...
It's also the sunken cost fallacy. He is so deep in this whole ordeal that even if in deep inside he realizes that he is wrong, he will never admit it. Probably not even to himself. His brain would probably shut down before he'd acknowledge his dishonesty.
You said delusional narcissist 4 tines and still made sence.
Its a good day when Prof. Dave drops another video
EDIT: And now there's a clown in this thread
Agreed!
indeed
Damn straight
Oh man yeah❤
Specially if it's a debunk of some liar... 🤣
I'm so thankful that I took the time to challenge my beliefs and watch videos like this. I have heard all of the arguments made by people like James and I finally just decided I should actually research it. Crazy how wrong the church is and I literally had a pastor tell me don't seek education, seek faith. That was when I realized I should definitely seek education and learn the truth. Your channel really helped me with this.
Learn the truth... what makes you think you wont be lied to everywhere you go?
@@O_tropos Occam's Razor. It's more likely for me to be wrong than it is for everybody else to be lying.
@@RuosongGao what does this have to do with anything? I was addressing the fact that this person seem to think that only his pastor can lie to him. Everywhere you go there are liars even when you think you're being educated.
@@O_tropos Sure, but if you explore widely, what are the odds that *MOST PEOPLE* you meet will be trying to lie to you? Minimal. It's you who is missing my point.
@@RuosongGao well there are 1.2 billion christians that's alot of people. They all lie to you are they not? They are the biggest religion. By your standard they might be having the truth about religion then
Dave roasting the heck out of false scientists is one of my favorite things to listen to while I work. I don't know why, it's got an oddly soothing feel to it.
I think it's a mix of Dave's patience yet annoyance, nice sounding voice, and the fact that even if I am science illiterate the explanations are clear enough for me to follow while doing something else.
At the risk of sounding crass, it is to me like science pornography. Endless gratification from liars being taken down a peg, and I get to learn some of the real science being denied to boot.
Same
Ya me too lol. I actually feel more intelligent after too lol. Ty Dave for your relentlessness on dunking these clowns. Their sheeple may never leave them but it’s a scientific fact that you can’t fix stupid lol.
@MotherDuck like @Bee said, part of this for me is debunking the totally real sounding "science" I remember from when I was christian. I can't remember the website now but it had some real scientists but they were all trying to support creationism and I had showed it to some of my science teachers and all they did was laugh at me which further entrenched me. So for me it's multifaceted but having Dave explain everything is kind of cathartic.
@@beemixsy welcome back brother lol.
James is a classic case of Argument From Authority. "look at my degree, but don't fact check anything I say, you are too ignorant to understand my big brain science words!"
It is also "looks at my degree, but dont read what subject is about, now listen to what i have to say about this other topic I'm totally qualified about"
My favorite part is how those scientists are fake experts yet this will be such an epic challenge for him. They're that enemy so weak you can destroy yet so strong they control the world
@@gustavogodoy9626 Only because idiots are still allowed to vote.
What's sad is he used peer review for his real science work, but when it comes to abiogenesis he claims peer review is corrupt.
@@NinjaMonkeyPrime Yea, he is an esteemed scientist in his field but corrupted by religion on abiogenesis and evolution. That must require a high degree of cognitive dissonance.
By the way, have you seen his UA-cam channels description? He quite literally states that he "loves Jesus more than science"
"Learn about both science and faith. Yes, a scientist can have faith, and talk about both things -- publishing in the best scientific journals while also considering deep issues of faith, the Bible, and Jesus Christ. I love both science and faith, but Jesus the most!"
@@onecoinmidas4541 I know you're just citing it from the funny man himself, but what reputable journal did he publish in? "The bible is science"?
I enjoyed every second of this, thank you so much, Dave. I could listen to you tear apart this fraud with the scientific literature he won’t touch all day. These James Tour debunks hit a little differently for me, considering I used to listen to him on my way out of religious indoctrination. The world owes you one.
As one of the poor undergrads who had to take a class with Tour, I appreciate this video haha! Keep up the great work, we're cheering you on from Houston :D
If I end up coming out there to trounce this chump in person, I hope you will mobilize your crew and come support!
@Kabab101 You've got back-up over here in the UK too cheering on the side of science & reason! America seems to be such a strange mix of late bronze age goat herder's myths & secularism. It must be difficult because you all seem to have to "wake up", shuck off those first formative years of religion.
It seems to be accepted that a normal question over there is "What church do you go to?"
I can honestly say that I've never been asked that over here!
@@Aengus42 Well, you have Henry VIII to thank for that. 🥰😇
@@Aengus42 I've recently read the comment of someone from the UK that's over 60 or something like that, and he said that it was totally impossible to be raised without religion, and that "What church do you go to?" was also the norm over there years ago. I really hope the US takes the same path.
@@San_Vito I was born in 1964 and i eas completely unsullied by religion. I've been a lifelong atheist although I still quite enjoy a poke around our old churches in a Philip Larkin "Churchgoing" kind of way.
But that'd apply to any old buildings as some of our churches go back to the last gasp of the Romano-British especially here in the SE corner of England with lots in the thousand year old bracket.
Ambling around a church wall playing "Spot the Roman roof tile!" is a great way to walk off a Summer Saturday afternoon pint!
It's comical how far this guy has fallen. When I was researching Abiogenesis as a young-earth creationist 2 years ago, Tour was the last creationist who made any arguments I considered reasonable and compelling at the time. Your first video (and all of them since) was so logical and addressed all my final concerns (mostly argument from complexity reasoning). I still thought Tour was a good guy who just put a lot of weight on his faith. Once I saw the rebuttals, I knew this guy was dishonest and I lost all respect for him.
Thank you Dave for valuing truth and scientific integrity!
I know this is like a year late but well done, it takes a lot of courage to admit that a belief you held for so long isn't correct. I wish more people had the same sort of mindset. And it's not like I'm against religion, I think it's good to hold some belief in higher power but it shouldn't interfere with science. I like to think that a god created the universe and let it develop by itself and we're just figuring it out, through science.
So bizarre to me that creationists call proven chemical and biological processes things like "silly nonsense," while simultaneously believing a magical guy in the sky blinked humanity into existence.
I love this statement
@@zb5775There’s one here!
This is only partly true...he sneezed humanity into existence...after he had taken some earth from his sandbox...he/she modeled man...and sneezed on it....there it is...divine abiogenesis
@@zenon7094 Quite sure that the 'breath of live' isn't in favor with christians anymore. It makes too strong a case for biblical support of abortion.
Yeah religion is fucking dumb
Woah, never thought I'd see this kind of pushback to Dr.Tour. But I'm kinda glad someone out here like you is serving up a good old heaping serving of "humble pie"
I used to work as a groundskeeper at Rice University. And believe it or not, I've gotten to casually talk with Dr. Tour a couple of times. He always felt kinda "off" to me when talking to me. As if he never really was talking "with me" and more "at me". Sticking strongly to his Christian agenda. He would always try to sell me on becoming a Christian follower and joining his young adult focused sermons that would involve other Rice students attend there(I was 20 at the time). I've tried pushing back in saying I just find it hard to believe in God given the life I've lived. And boy, just doing that I can tell irked him cause for a brief second I felt the "mask slip" and saw more an agitated Dr.Tour. I always gotten the vibe that this guy wouldn't be ashamed to call himself the second coming of Jesus if it wasn't considered blasphemous of him to do so. This guy really seems to love stroking his own ego because of how much he sees himself as a "goody two shoes perfect Christian"
EDIT: Dude, that undergrad satire post might as well be real cause holy fug that was more or less to tee his interactions with me lmao
I once in a blue moon still go visit Rice University and now I'm tempted to just bring up your channel name to him just to see how he reacts lol. Keep on the good fight my dude👍
14:45 If anyone debates James in the future I hope they get a chance to corner him on this "stop all research" stance. Cancer research has many more years than abiogenesis and we still haven't cured it after throwing way more money and effort. Should we stop and ignore everything done so far until a fresh batch of researchers comes up with new ideas? James might try and argue that while no cure has been found, we have improved diagnosis and treatment for cancer improving survival rate. If he makes that logical mistake, the gotcha is that he now has implied that all abiogenesis research up until now is faulty or incorrect but he's unable to prove that in the realm of science using peer reviewed papers. If he can't discredit the papers in peer review, then he can't claim the work is faulty and not making progress. If he backpedals and tries to claim abiogenesis isn't making progress fast enough, he then has deal with the issue of time and effort spent on cancer with no cure. So much of his stances rely on faulty logic I can't believe he wants to debate.
James doesn't mind people being cured of cancer, but he does mind people being cured of their religious indoctrination.
Cancer is bad for humanity, but Christian Creationism is good for humanity lol. Trust me. 🤭
@@k.c.r.5974 Exactly why there's huge money in a treatment that cures cancer...
Would you rather own the patent on chemo therapy or would you rather own the cure to cancer? _(Even forgetting the awards & fame & money that will go to the person who discovers it.)_
Even if your only motive is money....you still have motive to discover and sell the cure, because once someone has discovered a cure...then no one will choose chemo therapy! So, yes, people who currently make money from current cancer treatments have motive to stop _other_ people from developing the cure first, but they also have motive to develop the cure themselves. (In fact, they have more motive than anyone to find it the fastest, because they have the most business to lose if someone else discovers the cure & starts the curing business first!)
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They would maintain access to all their current repeat "customers," but also gain access to...almost everyone lol.
There is a huge market of people with cancer who aren't getting treatment from any business right now, but who would get the cure. Mainly people who are choosing quality of life over quantity. Current cancer treatments are so difficult that they lose "customers" fast. All would be regained by the ones with the cure.
*TL;DR* Cancer is big business, and a cure to cancer would be the biggest business of all time! There's just so many people who have cancer (and who will have cancer)...that the business of curing cancer will easily dwarf the business of current treatments. The number of patients will definitely make up for the fact you won't have to see them over and over.
(And either way, it's better for the current business owners to have the cure, even if it negatively affects their current business of ongoing treatments, than to let other people have it and steal 100% of their business.)
Ok /end rant sorry 😊✌️
Cancer isn’t a singular disease as can cure with one miracle drug. But we have actually made amazing progress in the treatment or prevention of cancer. The HPV vaccine is 97% effective at preventing cervical cancer if you get it before you contract HPV. Treatments for childhood ALL have increased the survival rate to 95%. We have excellent screening methods for things like colon cancer, which when discovered early (which most are if these screening recommendations are followed), is highly curable now.
Cancer is not a monolith. It is dozens of different diseases and even within the same cancer, there can be incredible variation from patient to patient. But the progress we’ve made in the field is incredible.
@@thepapschmearmd A better analogy might be how Earth was formed. We have several ideas, but we probably will never know for sure. But that doesn't change what we observe or physics. It's also an analogy that creationists won't like.
@k.c.r.5974 because noone cares what Witless has to say. Flat earthers are below contempt and deserve nothing more than being ignored
Professor Dave! LOVE THIS, roasting these assholes is not only cathartic as hell, but it also helps people de-convert. I hope you make more of these videos, calling out science denying people and roasting them like the grifters and liars they are. Your a gem to all of us and I am grateful that your here to fight the good fight.
Some of the viewers MAY have caught on to the hoax. This is NOT James Tour. It is a never-aired comedy sketch by Martin Short, portraying a "mad scientist" character. This was done during Martin's short "ketamine & cocaine" period, which explains the ATTITUDE the character possesses. BTW, Martin is feeling MUCH BETTER now. RockOn, Prof Dave.
I just picture James Tour having a Homelander-style mental breakdown in his office. Staring at himself in the mirror and hallucinating a conversation with himself.
How about answer the subject. No? Imaginary online friends are not real.
Cults are made of Kool-aid drinkers Not thinkers.
Do your own research bucko
And telling people later he had a conversation with God
and what he said was I did it.....see, proof😅
It is hilarious because you can tell Professor Dave really got under James Tour's skin. Not just in a "screw that guy, I'll ignore him" kind of way, but "OMG I can't stop thinking about Dave, I have literal nightmares about him" kind of way.
Dave is every conspiracy theorist's worst nightmare
@@Someonecalledeli good.
15:15 Ironically the 'Darpa challenge' is what Lee Cronin has been doing. This is how I first interacted with Lee Cronin (me, not Prof Dave) because back in 2016 Discovery Institute (yes, those guys again) had published an attack piece on one of his publications from around then, and which Cronin had publicized as an OOL 'moonshot' in an attempt to revisit the issue and look at it from fresh perspectives. I let him know about it, and he said "Outrageous. The article is meant to widen approaches & have an origin of life moonshot, not fan creationist nonsense."
Everything Tour complains about or suggests is what people have already done/are doing.
Just looking at what Benner has done in the field it's clear that James is desperate to get people to not look behind that curtain just like the Wizard of Oz.
I went to Tour’s comment section of the Harvard debate and I don’t think a single one of his followers actually watched the debate. One of them said about the round table portion “a circle of closed minded people next to a very bright man”
You can't fix stupid.
As an active researcher and writer for some content on the channel, I think it's clear Dave acts like more of a scientist than James.
Yes, the mindset is very important.
They aren’t even on the same scale.
@@jdos5643 Quote from his about page:
"I received a BA in chemistry from Carleton College, and performed graduate studies in both synthetic organic chemistry and science education at Cal State Northridge, receiving an MA in the latter. Prior to this I taught for about a decade in various high school and undergraduate settings, specializing in organic chemistry but also teaching general chemistry, physics, and biology."
*_"he’s a fraud and he’s been exposed on his channel"_*
Source:
Your ass.
@@jdos5643 *_"you can brag about your said “qualifications”"_*
I never mentioned my qualifications. I quoted Dave's. Hence the "quote" before the quote.
*_"Start with the origins of the universe…..can you provide the facts please?"_*
You want me, a random person on the internet, to give you a detailed explaination of one of the biggest mysteries in science because we have little to no access to the rest of the universe to investigate an event thats long past, to some delusional little shit who believes he knows more than any scientist alive and dead... in a youtube comment section... Seriously?
The short answer is: I dont know.
The long answer is: I dont know because I have no access to tools to investigate and I dont really give a shit about the topic.
But me not knowing doesnt automatically mean your delusional claim that your imaginary, magical friend poofed everything into existance because an iron age book with talk snakes says so which you believe without question.
*_"or are you going to coward and delete your comment like many unqualified evolutionist do?…."_*
Unlike you I have nothing to be ashamed of nor reason to delete my comments because unlike you I have a sense of credibility and intellectual integrity.
You think someone has an evidence based answer? Go to them. Ask them to show you their nobel prize. Then beg them to explain reality to a worm like you.
@@jdos5643 In no reality in the infinate multiverse is what you said correct.
*_"atheists are Adamant about calling theories facts in science"_*
It literally takes seconds to look up the term "scientific theory" to learn that theories are the highest form of knowledge in science, explaining the facts. FUCKING SECONDS!
Atomic theory, theory of matter and energy, cell theory, germ theory, theory of plate tectonics, theory of evolution, theory of quantum mechanics, theory of relativity, theory of light energy, theory of electromagnetism, theory of radioactivity, theory of molecular bonds, theory of homeostasis, theory of gravity, etc..
Evolution is a scientific theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts do not go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air, pending the outcome.
*_"If you cannot explain the Big Bang theory and I quote you it’s a “mystery” then neither can or should you call it a fact"_*
Whats with this obsession about the big bang? I didnt call it a fact. Its not an actual scientific theory. Every scientist knows that. Its just that over time the name stuck with it. Yet every scientist understands the difference between it being a hypothesis that we might never elevate to the level of a scientific theory but it still has valid evidence supporting it partially. Like a few other hypothesises about the origin of the universe.
And even if scientists knew absolutely nothing about the origin of the universe, theists like you or those pretending to be scientists have done nothing to prove that a god exists or was involved in any event.
*_"the Big Bang was Invented by a Christian ironic how atheist hold It as a fact and still call it an Unexplainable mystery lol how contradicting is that?"_*
A scientist who happened to be a christian had a hypothesis, it got investigated for decades, turned out we found supporting evidence, turns out people talk about it... Somehow thats contradicting. Thats fucking stupid.
*_"And if you admit that the universe is too vast to comprehend? Then why be so quick to dismiss the only plausible explanation that God did it?"_*
Ah, yes. The feuerstein fallacy. God might exist outside our knowledge but we have no way to investigate therefor god is an acceptable explaination. Somehow...
You have not provided anything that convinces any rational person that your god exists, that he has powers or that he used his powers to do anything. Theists always fail at the first challenge. Thats why I dismiss the god claims.
*_"You admit to not knowing 90% percent of what’s out here yet deny a God or creator."_*
Yes, because you dont know either. Because its an argument from ignorance fallacy. Or in your terms "we dont know how it happened therefor god". Every other type of theist could bring the same claim about their god and nobody could falsify it. Its completely useless.
*_"When setting God aside as the only source for the universe you then accept the belief in a magic box..."_*
Except natural forces have literally nothing in common with magic. You promote magic, not me.
*_"And if you don’t know as you just admitted then why are you giving your invalid input?"_*
Not knowing about the origin doesnt invalidate my opinion on the topic of your imaginary friend. Especially since your nonsense claims are filled with fallacies.
*_"with your comment you just demonstrated you have no intellectual integrity"_*
Admitting to not know an answer instead of making shit up is by definition intellectual integrity. Which is the opposite of what you are doing because you pretend to be better educated than any scientist.
*_"All you have proven is the opposite or pure dishonesty."_*
Thats called projecting. Evidently.
*_"You said and I quote you you don’t know or care a $h@_*_ about the topic. Yeah you said it all."*_
Because the origin of the universe doesnt tell you anything about the topic of the video. Context is important. For me at least.
*_"Btw, I don’t use such language in my vocabulary because that’s not what my professors taught as part of curriculum…."_*
Of course not. All those fallacies, false accusations, projecting, lies, being a douche is totally not such language. /s
*_"and there you are still proving yourself a coward who deletes his comments because you have nothing factual to say or even defend your false beliefs."_*
You literally responded to my comments that I havent deleted, I defended my position and now you lie about both. But keep pretending you loser are a scientist. Someday someone might be dumb enough to fall for it.
PATHETIC!
I am a Christian of a sort and was open to Dr. Tour being a genuine scientist of integrity but when I noticed his use of emotional rhetoric and mainly Bible verses to drive home his belief in physical resurrection, I had to pause and do some research.
I see now that he is an ideologically driven clown with a lot of ego on the line that he is desperate to uphold.
I said it before, I'll say it again. Prof Dave does an INSANE amount of work, sometimes for only a few minutes of his video! Tour says it in this video here, how much work it is to read through the primary literature. Hell, I have a PhD in molecular biology, I understand most of what Prof Dave is talking about, but so much of this information takes so long to weed through/understand and present in a palatable manner. Prof Dave is a machine!!!
true that, molecular biology student here and, this guy just reads papers like drinking water, idk how he does it. he must have a few clones or something lol
@@agustinfranco0
Although probably more than he realizes, he _is_ a *_rather_* smart guy, with a broad field of knowledge, as is shown by his channel content.
I honestly aspire to something like it.
@@ivoryas1696 Take it easy with the compliments: the Tour zombies will call you "Dave"...😁😁😁😁
@@galileog8945
Huh. It _really _*_do_* be like that. 😌
Don’t you think that Lee Cronin’s (dave’s expert) research sorta supports intelligent design? His research involves using robots to deposit oil, water and many other components in a specific manner. In addition, the materials used in his synthesis does not naturally occur in primordial earth. Dr. Cronin himself said that everyone who has created “life” in the lab has cheated because they used materials that have already been previously synthesized. I feel like that supports an intelligent design worldview.
Lightning struck my chicken noodle soup and James came out.
I am sorry for not protecting my soup better guys, it won't happen again.
This made me lol.
Always figured it'd be a turkey. Tour is one and he so proficient at spouting gobbledygook.
Looks like de-evolution is true then. Pretty sure the chicken noodle soup knew more about abiogenesis than Tour does.
Slithered out or crawled out? Don't eat that soup! Another James might be in it.
I saw this today because my car was in the shop… I had to show it to my wife when she got home because she has frequent communications with James Tour through Rice U. She’s completely depressed now. “He seems like such a nice guy.”
Fundamentalist Christians are all pathologically "fake nice". It's a strategy that allows them to just whine about how mean other people are instead of addressing what they're saying. That's why it's so hilarious that James is acting like a mudslinging douchebag in his latest video, he is giving up his only play.
It’s odd because from what I’ve read and what I’ve been told about him, he’s laid down a fairly accomplished career and had a hand in some very promising technology. It is sad because it is one of those cases where someone would be way better off sticking to what they know.
Still… you’ve gotta admit… he’s got mad editing skills. 😂
@@DrWhom It's top ten university in usa
Rice University
Mr Dave is neither a researcher nor a professor at University. He is a UA-cam vlogger with BA in Chemistry. I believe it's not worth responding to him. James Tour is one of world's respected scientist, sensible people will see through Dave's lies.
Don't mind me, just sorting by new to see the 'fun' and 'relevant' comments that fail to bring counter arguements in an arguementative way.
And I saw a particular extremely stubborn science denier that made me lost faith in humanity...
It's a double-edged sword...
Hey professor Dave. I'm glad you're able to advertise your music on your main channel in this video. Tannhauser Gate was my 4th most listened song this year on Spotify, and i love it obviously. thank you for doing all you do to promote science.
Please don't call me stupid, but why can't I find his music?
@@brandonschmidt930 look up Simulated Sun on UA-cam, Spotify, etc…
There is a reason that you don't see creationists working in this field for the exact same reason you didn't see calculus students who failed algebra.
Either that or they literally don't believe in numbers
@@alexmcd378 Isaac Newton, for example, believed in number. Oh- and he also believed in God. What is your point?
@@timo.5449 he also believed in magical alchemy, what's your point?
He was lucky enough to live in an enlightened period history. Christian science in earlier times came with the very serious risk of being convicted of blasphemy or heresy.
@@timo.5449 And his belief in God is what caused him to get the things he got wrong, wrong. In fact, he arrived at conclusions at times that he rejected himself because they contradicted his belief in God.
Dave has become that meme with the guy holding a peace sign and smiling over someone's grave. I love it.
people who say "Nothing happens spontaneously!" after their dad spontaneously disappears from their life
For those who think it is impolite to attack Tour and the DI: "A prominent organization in the United States behind the intelligent design movement is the Discovery Institute, which, through its Center for Science and Culture, conducts a number of public relations and lobbying campaigns aimed at influencing the public and policy makers in order to advance its position in academia. The Discovery Institute claims that because there is a significant lack of public support for evolution, that public schools should, as their campaign states, "Teach the Controversy", although there is NO controversy over the validity of evolution within the scientific community" (Wikipedia). According to the DI, illiterate idiots should decide, by vote, on what is science and what is not! The article claims that ONLY 32% of the American public accepts the theory of evolution. Among Christians who regularly attend church, only 1% accepts it. Of the countries surveyed, only Afghanistan has a lower level of support for evolution than the US (26%). In Norway, only 8% of the population does NOT support evolution. I do not know about you guys, but I find these numbers frightening. Science is leaving people behind, and in the US the majority of people live in a make-believe world. The country is basically screwed: you have a very bright minority making all the decisions, and a huge illiterate majority barely able to write and read, who believes in fairies and unicorns. It does not look good.
Disputing these percentages: Scientific American had in 2019 an article called How Many Creationists are there in America? The situation is bad but not as bad as you suggest.
@@marknieuweboer8099 You may be right, but these are not my suggestions. I checked two polls reported by Wikipedia. The poll was a 2009 Pew poll. 31% (!!!) of Americans were Young-earth creationists, 22% believed in evolution guided by God, and only 32% believed in evolution guided by natural forces. The rest are non-responders. In 2014 (Gallup poll) among churchgoers, 69% (!!!) were YEC, and only 1% believed in "blind" evolution. Even among people who did not go to church, evolution had a 34% support. Perhaps the situation has improved in 9 years? Evolution is supported by many more people in essentially the entire world. These beliefs are linked to education. 87% of US scientists support evolution. According to the same article, 79% of people support evolution in Kazakhstan, 77% in India, just to name two countries which many associate with poverty and lack of development. If you have different numbers let us know.
@@galileog8945 It always amazes me that most people don't seem immediately upset that the DI has a written objective to turn the nation into a theocracy.
I think Dave has been a great addition to the world of truth. Living in reality is something he's quite good at it seems. His videos of him just absolutely flaming people are always my favorite though 😂🔥 💀
Living rent free in his head sounds like an understatement. I'm sure more than once he's woken up in a cold sweat screaming "Those can't polymerize spontaneously!" and mumbles "Dunning-Krueger effect" under his breath while he tries to work.
Every time he sees someone with long black hair and a beard, he starts screaming "You got a reference for that!" "Show me!" 🤣🤣
I could see it. Everytime I hear that elevator music I think of him somewhere on the Dunning-Krueger graph hanging on for dear life.
Broo 😂😂
Dude, professor Dave already built a 50 hectare, 3 floor grand castle with an infinity pool in James' head.
@@markangeloporcare5289 lmfaoooo
I don't think religions have ever tackled the big questions of life....because they don't have ANY questions. They just twist elements of the reality they observe to fit the answers they have already decided upon.
@@James-th9nmyes...that is always their answer...it is the facts that change to fit it.
@@James-th9nm in their way
@@James-th9nm science acknowledges it doesn't know everything and then takes logical steps to find out about what it doesn't know..making some blunders but retracing and trying again...thus making slow but relentless progress. Religion says it has all the answers so don't bother thinking about it and don't learn anything new or different.. One thing I have learned is that you are just a bored person with nothing better to do than engage on a fairly meaningless you tube thread..with someone you neither know nor care about. So you can go practice your linguistic skills on someone else...because I DO have something better to do... or...just rest in your blind faith....it'll work out one way or another. Take care.
00:49 Dubay did this too with his "not really a professor" failed mockery. When they have no arguments, they try to insult people.
Tour‘s blatant hypocrisy would be more comical if he wasn’t deceiving so many people.
@@appledough3843 Yeah, hypocrisy is more the forte of "Professor Dave". He's quick to criticize his opponents for their supposed _ad hominem_ attacks, while he himself engages repeatedly in the vilest of deprecations like it's not a logical, fallacy as long as he does it. (😏 Sure, Dave, anything you say.)
🤔 Hmm, nonsense isn't nonsense so long as he's the tainted source from which it flows! Amazing. Someday he needs to explain to people just how that works; we'd all love to hear the plan.
@@Galantski dumbass
@@Galantski They are attacking him with ad hominem,they are saying that because he is rude that his argument shouldn’t be taken seriously which is an ad hominem
"Professor" Farina's idiocy would be comical if he weren't deceiving so many of his credulous fanboys.
I’m gathering by the tone of these comments that feelings have been hurt due to the fact someone tore Tour very hard indeed.
Name calling seems to the order of the day.
I dare even one of you to watch one of the unravelings produced by Farina, all the way through.
Professor Dave, I've only watched a few of your videos but I have to say, thank you! I guarantee you that many formerly (myself included) homeschooled, religiously indoctrinated kids benefit greatly from you and people like you. So many people don't seem to realize that there are many kids who are being brainwashed into ID/Young Earth Creationism. They don't realize it, so they don't think it's important to go after the Tours and Hovinds of the world. Much love and respect ❤
Also, I just subscribed 👍
Thank you. I was in an all girls Catholic school until uni, so while not homeschooled, not far off. Dave is a boon to us all.
It's really not important. These subjects are never going to affect the lives of the average person.
The only reason the creationists care is because when you're one of those people that believes in a literal interpretation of genesis science either has to be wrong or your whole religion is a lie.
I was raised exactly the same way. I learned all the Ken Ham talking points, visited the creation "meuseum" all that good stuff.
To be fair, it was a lot easier to dismiss some of this stuff back in the mid 90s when there had been a number of hoaxes around "missing links" and we didn't have the same volume of evidence, DNA analysis, etc.
Nowadays if you actually learn about this stuff it's really hard to go along with it.
Tour is all about life from non-life. All discussions are science based. He doesn’t discuss creationism anywhere. Go actually watch his videos.
@@kajah05 he discusses Intelligent Design, which is just creationism posturing as science.
Idk why but my absolute favorite videos from Dave are about debunking James Tour. This is gold, just like the rest.
I've rewatched his James Tour debunks several times. They are always great.
I actually just rewatched your 3 videos on tour, glad to have a 4th.
Is it possible to have a 2nd on günter since he’s running his mouth again about your video on meyer?
He's gonna do several little hit pieces about the Meyer debunk, I'l wait until he's done and then humiliate him again. The balls on these DI douchebags.
@@ProfessorDaveExplains Are they bigger than Devastator's?
@@Tornadopelt Big, but soft, like Saturn.
@@ProfessorDaveExplains Are you a researcher
@@achyuththouta6957 No but he use papers and help of researchers.
I think these types of videos are so popular because we like to see the good guy win and how you present it
Absolutely love the condescending tone you use when slamming this fraud…..EPIC 🤣
Tour will be fuming when he sees this. It is so SPOT ON...
Me too, it really riles them!
😂
@@Blondeafroman853 Dave's attitude may be a bit childish, but Tour acts like a 2 year old.
@@Blondeafroman853 if no one,took on these scumbags, millions more,would believe in the trip they brainwash people into believing. If we had Dave over the last 2000 years, we wouldn’t have half the population believing in sky daddies and ghosts like we do now. If only we could clone him and send a copy back for each decade…
Came for the spicy science, stayed for the incredible musical homage to Bladerunner. Professor Dave, a true man of the people.
Good on James Tour! He's doing wonderful work! He's doing God's work!
He's introducing Professor Dave to people who otherwise wouldn't have heard of him... 🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏
Now if only those dumbasses would watch my content!
I never heard of Tour until I watched Dave tear him apart 😂
I love what you do, Prof!
From demolishing charlatans like this to all of the lessons you share here, it's appreciated and important.
dude why are you so awesome, you actually make easy to understand points and use papers to back it up. and anyone can try to prove you wrong by looking up what you say by looking at your evidence. good on you hope more people learn from you when talking about stuff. Wonderful entertainer, and damn you are an amazing teacher.
Actually, James Tour frequently highlights sections in the papers cited by Dave that contradict Dave's points. Have you watched any of Dr. Tour's videos?
@@OnTheRogersJourney no one with any decency or sense would watch Tour's videos expecting the truth to be told.
@@sethgyan Bite me.
Tour is a fraud and I will not be lied to by one of his insipid little ignorant parasites trying to suppose that they know more because of their stupid non-existent god.
@@lakerfan0243 maybe not but it's funnier, since he just triggered you lol.
@@lakerfan0243 You not being able to handle big words is not my problem.
Just watched James' latest videos and he's still using the same pathetic arguments saying he's “debunked” you. Hilarious.
Comments section be like:
Tour Troll: Dave got destroyed! He's wrong about everything!
Person: Can you point out where he's wrong? Or even where his sources got it wrong
TT: Waaaahhh! Why won't he debate Tour!?
Person: So you can't provide me with anything where he's wrong?
TT: Waaah! I'm being persecuted!
It's sadly amusing that all it takes to disarm the trolls is to keep asking for just one specific example.
It's the most pathetic thing I've ever seen.
Seems very accurate.
You forgot to add in accusations of straw-manning and ad-hom.
@@Yourwaifuisntreal It's kind of amazing (and depressing) how many of the commenters attempting & failing to criticize Dave will confidently use the term "ad hominem" without even knowing what it means.
Lol I go to rice and I had to drop ochem and retake it because his class was ridiculous. He also tried to threaten to dox my roommate
He gave that abiogenesis talk at rice promoted by rice, and is tenured here and all of us just have to suffer through his class. A couple of weeks ago he literally made a comment about how it would be ok for the US to b*mb Syria for any reason
My roommate was trying to do an exposé about him and all of the issues students have had with him (including xenophobia and aggressive misogyny) and he got it shut down and threatened to sue her and dox her and her family to his channel
Please give me absolutely all of this information and content and whatever else you have and I will use all of it.
@@jde3610 It would be great if more students compiled a list of all his nonsense during class and published it.
@@jde3610 Do you have any other specific stories of what it's like taking a class with him? Is he as unhinged and delusional giving lectures as he is on his channel?
25:06 I looked up the Bible passage on the satire of James Tour office hours. "Jesus wept" 😂
If the students are taking the time to mock a professor like that, you know it must be bad.
Him being attached to rice university just tanks their reputation for me.
I'm willing to believe that the work he has done within the field he was hired for is sound.
It's not that hard for an honest interlocutor to distinguish between inane prattling and actual science. Dave Farina provides incredibly detailed scientific analysis supporting his position and references experts with specific understanding of the issue being discussed. Like Dr Tour - I don't know what Dave's speciality is but I'm pretty certain it's something to do with organic chemistry - he knows a hell of a lot more than I do on the topic and I ALWAYS learn something from his presentations.
James Tour has all the hallmarks of a terminally unfunny carnival huckster combined with the scientific rigour of a flat earther. He would be well-advised to shut up.
It's obvious that no barrier crossed will change his message. He can go all the way up to "nobody has synthesized a dog in a volcano"
Professor Dave does it again...and again....and again...and, well, you get the picture. And, this time was truly awesome, as I had heard that ProfD made music, but had no idea where to find it, so kudo's to Jim for 'exposing' ProfD's music video so Dave would have to address it, and tell us where to find Simulated Sun music channel. Looking forward to digging into that! Keep at em, ProfD! You've become a huge force to be reckoned with in the battle against ignorance!
I have a love/hate relationship with people like Tour. Love because of how comical their persona and beliefs are (it's like they're a cartoon character or something), hate because they're a prime cultural contributor to science denial and how that feeds into so many other issues in society.
_"I have a love/hate relationship with people like Tour"_ - The foundational base for WASP Christian World racial superioty, and Mr. T. Harmless.
Yeah, the science denialism really stings for me.
People like him are actively making the world a worse place.
Great video once again, Dave! Although I do wonder, does any of this stress you out? Knowing that morons like Tour are out there trying so hard to misrepresent you? I hope you keep uploading these bangers, Dave! We love your content!!
I mean it this point it is just a circus sideshow. It was one thing to call me "clueless". This latest trailer is such transparently desperate character assassination that I'm hoping even some of his followers will realize how pathetic he is. He is really shooting himself in the foot with this infantile behavior.
@@ProfessorDaveExplains He's shooting not only his foot but his entire career, i'm sure small portion of his minions will finally wake up, but that's a stretch seeing as how science illiterate they are.
@@jdos5643 How about you try watching the video that Dave had uploaded instead of blindly regurgitating whatever script your local priest gave you. Thanks!
@@jdos5643 "One science fact". Ladies and gentlemen, Mr "J Dos" has presented the full criteria necessary for any argument in the field of science. If I tell him the temperature of the sun, do I get to be his new guru? 🤔
James Tour is the best proof against Creationism.
Certainly the best proof against "intelligent" design!
@@galileog8945 true, there's a chance of a stupid creator.
@@TheDiveO Or a God with a sense of humor...
Dave - "How many times do I have to teach you this lesson, old man?!"
For some reason after I started watching all these James Tour/Discovery Institute/flat earth debunks from Dave, I started getting a shit ton of religious push ads.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence or it's because religion is commonly mentioned in these places, but I find it kinda funny that I'm getting religious ads on a bunch of content debunking religious lies/misunderstandings
me too, and gaia ads as well, its incredibly annoying
what I love so much about Dave is that he's the guy who got me through a lot of my calculus and college courses, but then he's also a sarcastic GOAT of a debator. Probably one of my favorite UA-camrs on the entire site
What scares me is what Tour does works for a not minor group of people. He's part of an organised group dedicated to twisting the truth to conform to their ideas. Their power comes from their influence over their followers, and I just don't know how you reach them
Dave is a national treasure. I can watch these videos all day long!!
Minor correction - international treasure!
Is he American
@@achyuththouta6957 Italian American.
@@jdos5643 How is he deceiving us? Do you follow the science or particular interpretation of the bible?
Dave, stop being mean to poor jim-bo.
on second thought, carry on.
Please do not call people who watch Dr James tour "sheep". That's insulting the intelligence of sheep Dave
The thumbnail picture of Jim really gives me, " No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die.", vibes.
I discovered you accidentally from your debunking videos and have only come to appreciate your channel more, having watched some of your lessons and many more debunks.
Thanks for existing.
Thank you for calling it a sermon, Dave. It fails to prove itself as anything else.
I also appreciated him calling them priests in certain contexts.
Dude, you're on a roll. New music video _and_ a debunk video released on the same day. 🍻
Creationists: look how hypocritical this guy is!
Also creationists: [actual hypocrisy]
Also, I love the reference to "Jesus wept" in the fake schedule xD
If I were you I'd be honored with becoming this guy's mega blockbuster MCU supervillain
I went to visit the comments section on James's counter vid. He is literally saying the same things you smashed again. Please keep your foot on the gas to wreck this guy. He grosses me out. Discouraging students to tackle the big questions? So gross.
Don't worry, he's gonna get it even 10 times worse than before. He will have a nervous breakdown before I'm done.
@@ProfessorDaveExplains Now _that_ is quality fireworks!
It eats at me, man. I showed my kids your flat earth, and water debunks. I don't want con men to ever fool them. Thanks for what you do.
Thank you Prof Dave. Another great public service video.
Great stuff Dave!
May I suggest that you encourage people to look at all of the educational material on your channel at the end of each video?
I watched several of your videos a while back and thought that you were all about debunking until I actually went to the channel and looked around.
Soo much valuable information!
And I'd hate for people to make the first assumption that I had made.
I admire your patience and attention to detail when you are battling the anti science trend.
Keep up the good work!
Agreed, I only heard about Dave after the flat earth stuff and I thought it was the only thing he did, he covers so many topics its really great stuff
i know it's bad to seek entertainment from the destruction of someone, but that trailer at 20:10 just makes it so legitimate for me, it's really convenient and nice of james tour for our eyes to see
but of course, the biggest thanks goes to dave
I love watching all these butthurt creationists getting roasted by Dave in the comments. It’s hilarious 😂
@@arthurmore427 He’s right tho
@@arthurmore427 Stunning rebuttal. Did you get paid from the DI for that?
@@anthonyoctaviano9055 You think the creationists are roasting Dave in comments? None seem to be able to even give a single specific example of Dave being wrong.
this is the sort of scientist drama I love. I myself am an organic synthetic chemist (so basically same specific field as James Tour, except not nearly as experienced due to being young), but I'm also well-versed in biochemistry because our research group works with synthesis research of novel biomolecules etc. So everything from human biochemistry to abiogenesis chemistry/physics is stuff I *love* and read about a lot
and this nonsense is weirdly satisfying. I'm by no means an expert in synthesis, I'm only in my late 20s, so only the better part of a decade of orgsynth experience, but I feel weirdly validated by seeing through Tour's idiocy. The fact that someone like me with only a few papers under the belt knows more about the chemistry of abiogenesis than some old fart with hundreds of papers is... validating
also, the way Dave throws shade on James is so satisfying because it reminds me of irl discussions, but not nearly as brazen since Dave and James aren't colleagues lmao. I fken love this
I know the feeling. I am also a biochemist, and when I hear James Tour talk, I suddenly feel like a genius. Wow, 700 papers and I know more than he does.
I'm convinced that James understands everything about abiogenesis just fine. He's just decided to lie about it for his faith. It's so pathetic that he's lying about the mundane for no reason. Why did he bother to imply that the people Dave interviewed didn't know the purpose of the questions? Not only was it a lie, it really has no impact on the papers or work that is being quoted. It's just a random note he tossed into his lecture to try and discredit Dave. And let's not forget, that only gets you to "shooting the messenger". Discrediting Dave doesn't sleep change the actual papers on the topic. Just like the entire section of his music video footage. I'm sure James knows all that but because he thinks he's at war he doesn't care what it takes and will do anything.
@@NinjaMonkeyPrime As I wrote elsewhere, a friend psychologist looked at a Tour video, and he doubts that Tour is a liar. As all psychologists tend to do, he found him sick. He suffers from an unresolved cognitive dissonance. When that happens, mental faculties tend to fail and people are known to spout nonsense. Indeed I think James should know that peptides can form in water or simple things like that, but his brain malfunctions when someone attacks his worldview BECAUSE he already knows about his own dissonance in his own brain. I am not a psychologist and I also thought he was a liar. But maybe he is really fucked up in the head and urgently needs a shrink!
@@galileog8945 If that's true then it becomes a really sad story, and a bit tragic that people are taking advantage of his illness.
@@NinjaMonkeyPrime Well, I do not totally believe a diagnosis based on a video. He may be way more wicked and malicious than my friend thinks. In any case, I do not know Tour and I do not have contact with him. If I did, I would suggest seeing a psychologist.
Hey, Prof. Dave! I've heard of this guy:
*_James and the Giant Preach._*
POV: You're looking for James Tour's angry fans in the comment section
Yes
I'm not very familiar with Tour's work, but I just listened to an interview with Tour and found his comments to be compelling. This vid popped up as a suggestion after I watched the interview - it wore me out. I couldn't listen to the whole thing. Too much mud slinging. I'm worn out from this kind of content. Professor Dave, have you formally invited James to debate? I'd would love to listen to it and hear what you have to say in contrast to Tour. I'm new to the subject of life origins and would like to sort things out. That said, I'm going to explore some of you other videos. This one is not a good introduction for me.
Watch my two part response to James. Then you will see what an unbelievable fraud he is. I will debate him and expose him publicly.
Try watching the first 3 videos from Dave about James.
This video is not supposed to be an introduction, it's the last one after three lengthy videos dismantling Tour.
Try the first one, see the "compelling" arguments Tour really has.
It's 'Professor Dave Explains' mostly , the 'Professor Dave Exposes' is just a side-gig :D
On Dave’s videos, I see 99% Dave fans and 1% creationists in the comments.
On James’ videos, I see 50% Dave fans and 50% creationists in the comments.
That’s all you need to know. 😂😆
@@chessdosa
True, but that's got nothing to do with my comment, so it makes your response a red herring and red herrings are only for idiots.
@@chessdosa
You’ll have to provide some type of evidence for that. Until then, I’ll assume you’re making it up.
I’m honestly glad professor dave can further explain this to James Tour and the other DI “experts” so I can further refute more of the origin of life spews that family tends to talk about from their church. I’m an engineer, not a chemist; if someone wanted to debate the universe and physics, I can do that all day. I would be completely lost for thought in origin of life because it’s not my field. Thanks Professor!
Dave Farina - I know you produce a lot of content that helps students at various academic levels and I have a huge amount of respect for your debunks and your unwavering, homing missile approach in targeting the worst of the charlatans out there. Keep doing what you are doing and don’t let them get up. You are a great science communicator - fingers crossed you make it to mainstream TV/SVOD soon!
Sorry James please watch link below, as it makes you look silly acknowledging Professor Dave as credible
ua-cam.com/video/cL0NIFk1grE/v-deo.html
@@aboutmein3d I am always open to hearing different viewpoints - I don’t see a link though?
7:30 I love this so much. You live in his head so utterly rent free that he introduces you to his own audience in the same style as he talks about Nobel prize physicists
I can see some of James' young audience (their giggling sounded like middle schoolers) and them going to find Dave on UA-cam, then coming to school the next day and saying "You know what? Dave's right!" The next day 😂
Dave, normally I'm an advocate of "debunk but be polite" however I love your absolutely wicked style not only taking people like James down but also the no nonsense replies to people commenting below. Keep it up
So... Looks like our dear friend GreenTrees wasn't interested in addressing Tour's lie I pointed out with a specific video title and a timestamp. Running away and deleting the comment with all the replies was easier after all.
Don't tell us you are surprised.
It's really odd that they keep saying "where did he lie" then run away when given examples.
@@zwarrior7376 Examples of people running away? I can't do that. Examples of James lying? There's many in video 2 and 3.
Science is hard. Explaining science is even harder. Explaining science to a deluded Creationist with an unwarranted superiority complex in a way they can understand is, unfortunately, impossible. Nice try though Dave!
I'm convinced they can understand it, but chose not to.
I'm not a determinist (I do think humans have free will to some extent) but in this case I make an exception. Creationists don't really have a choice, because understanding for them means quitting creationism.
The only thing I hate about Dave's debunks of James Tour is that my name is James. Listening to Dave walking James Tour like a dog makes it almost humiliating to share a name with him, lol.
It’s disturbing how many comments I’ve read (and haven’t scrolled through most of them) about being indoctrinated by the church when they were younger! Im stoked ppl are becoming wise to it but so many won’t and or don’t have a choice, it’s sad and a form of child abuse in my opinion!
yep. my grandfather heavily abused my dad, and then my dad went on to abuse my mother, but he “loves jesus” so its ok. its fucking disgusting. my grandmother on the other side of the family is the only genuinely good christian i’ve known. its sad because religion can be harmless, but corrupt churches and people like my grandpa ruin all of it.
oh and something else i should mention, he’s a pedophile. after him and my grandma divorced he almost immediately married someone else. he was 46, the girl he married had just turned 18.
It's not child abuse or gaslighting if one were to do those things, but use religion as the excuse and the reason.
13:51 - Amino acids aren't homochiral? Wikipedia seems to say otherwise: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homochirality
Can someone explain why Dave says this? Amino acids definitely have chiral centers as do glucose molecules.
I defined the term homochiral very clearly in that section. Please actually listen when people are talking.
@@ProfessorDaveExplains Very kind of you to respond. Are you talking about a section in a different video? Otherwise it seems as though your definition of homochirality is not the most commonly used definition.
"Homochirality can also refer to enantiopure substances in which all the constituents are the same enantiomer (a right-handed or left-handed version of an atom or molecule), but some sources discourage this use of the term."
I guess that's the isse? Is there actually some "cutoff" point, e.g. as soon as theres more than one amino acid molecule?
JoM, "homochiral" means a group of substances having the same absolute configuration. Thus, natural proteins are homochiral because they contain amino acids of the same absolute configuration. Tour keeps referring to SINGLE substances as "homochiral", which is nonsense. In his latest video he reiterates: "nobody has ever even made homochiral glucose". He has not yet understood what the word means.
@@ProfessorDaveExplains
Hello,
Dave is wrong again
Homochirality is a term that can be used to define a molecule that has a similar handedness to a group of molecules.
For example I can say: "I got homochiral amino acids" to say that the amino acids I got are all of the same handedness (here, L-amino acid). Many organic chemists use this term in this sense, James is not the only one, my professors did it too: that's why it says "19 of the 20 natural amino acids are homochiral, being L-chiral (left-handed), while sugars are D-chiral (right-handed)" on the wikipedia page.
It also says: "Homochirality can also refer to enantiopure substances in which all the constituents are the same enantiomer (a right-handed or left-handed version of an atom or molecule), but some sources discourage this use of the term." This is how the term is used in our case, we can note that Dave is correct when he says that the more correct term is "eniatiopure".
I hope this helped.
Stephen Meyer cried on Twitter yesterday, calling professor dave a bully, I’m giddy. You go Dave!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
good lord, these people are such babies! i’d almost feel sorry for them if they weren’t such lying bastards!
Questions that you'll never get an answer for;
1) Why is it acceptable for christians to lie?
2) Why does the christian god need quite so much money?
3) Show contemporary secular evidence for Jesus
4) Show positive evidence for the existence of their god.
Nobody was secular 2000 years ago, so question 3 is stupid.
@@marknieuweboer8099 Do you know what secular actually means? I guess not otherwise why leave a crass comment like that?
It means "not subject to or bound by religious rule" - it does not mean you don't belong to a religion. And my use of it in this context is meant to mean "outside" of their bible. The bible is the claim and not the evidence.
There were many historians (secular) around at that time and if Jesus is the person that is claimed then there would be records, I'm merely asking for them. The most notable one would be Philo of Alexandria, his writings form the basis of christianity yet does not mention the Jesus figure once.
1) _"To lie in a case of necessity or for convenience or in excuse - such lying would not be against God; He was ready to take such lies on Himself"_ -Marthin Luther
Can't help with the others.
That's exactly what I meant. About all intellectual minds during Antiquity had bound themselves by religious thinking. The Roman authors eg worshipped and sacrificed to Jupiter etc. During the Roman Empire christians were called atheists because they denied that Emperors were divine.
Educate yourself.
@ KarlD: I looked him up. Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy writes:
"His theological contributions were not merely negative however, for he also provided comments that support the notion of divine goodness."
Hardly an atheist. The site quotes the guy:
"One god is greatest of gods and men, not at all in body and in thoughts."
If you're interested in Ancient atheism look at India and Carvaka.
I love Dave's snarky sarcasm. Especially when it's deserved.
Indeed delicious. I am in awe of your insights and clarity, Professor Dave.
Notice how James mentions the view count on Dave's debunks, but not his own shite. Two possible reasons for this. Either
1. His count is way lower, highlighting how small the ID crowd actually is or
2. His count is around the same or higher, thus torpedoing his victim narrative.
He can't win, so he ignores his own count.
I went down the rabbit hole. Just for the record:
Dr Tour series have on average 21k views on each part, around 316k views combined, which is not even half of any of Prof Dave videos on him.
@@zeendaniels5809 Wow, THAT'S another level of unmatched!
@@samuelmarger9031 It's encouraging tbh... To know that aside from his own herd in the echo chamber pretty much no one else follows him. Reassuring too, seeing that even him realizes it so he is forced to cry about it.
22:58 Omg the action music James picked for this trailer is so over the top and ridiculous! Not only is it painfully cliche stock music, but it was definitely originally created to play over scenes of people in physical peril during action trailers... there's supposed to be guns, explosions, something like that going off by this section! Usually while shaky cam follows some characters running or fighting for their LITERAL life...I swear I've heard this same music in trailers for movies with dinosaurs, monsters, alien invasions, etc. Just, general disaster flicks - with lots of stuff getting destroyed, including the people, being physically maimed and killed constantly. 🤦
So, congrats Dave! I suppose this means you have been officially classed as a monster level threat against James Tour and his ideology. _(Based on your content and your concern for religious indoctrination and suppressing science as well, I assume you'll take that as a compliment.)_ 😉✌️❤️
James Tour was recently selected by my university to give a talk where he on multiple occasions promoted his UA-cam channel in which he promotes conservative values, misogyny, and the denial of countless hours put in by some of the most brilliant people in the world into origin of life research. It's frightening to know that someone with such dangerous views can sneak past censors and educators with the false sense of credibility that he holds to his own name.
Your university sucks.
what are you blathering on about?
@@appynoon he's saying a joke like james shouldn't be speaking to students purely based on his degrees.
Your university needs a slap of reality, send anyone and everyone who runs it links to his worst videos and explain to them that they platformed a bigot and an extremist without doing their due diligence
I realise this is complicated, but if a goddam university cannot educate its students about how dumb this man is then i suggest you find a new uni post haste. I find it pathetic and sad that you youngsters resort to censorship rather than dealing with the idiocy via facts. If you by some remote chance are actualy faculty, then holy fuck. So much wrong either way.
The beautiful sequel to a long awaited series
As one of Dave's experts in his stable out back shivering in the cold, please send help. He keeps making us science!
It's time for an episode of my favorite show, Professor Dave is Sick of Your Crap.
I nominate Prof. Dave as a knight of science. I like to think of the rage that would ensue amongst the religious if we refer to Dave as Sir Professor Dave.
Maybe even call him "My Lord" to hammer in that he's a "prophet" speaking actual truth. If only he could do a chemistry experiment turning water into wine. Maybe they'd believe him then?