DON HENLEY VIDEO PROOF LIP SYNC MIMING. Rare Zoomed in camera angles from Eagles show 2022.

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  • Опубліковано 31 бер 2024
  • IMPORTANT TO NOTE, I did not add in the video, but Timothy B Schmit is lip syncing as well.
    Don is currently playing 10/20 songs on the setlist on drums. So I was wrong when I said he only plays a “couple”. Credit where credit is due lol.
    I went to the show because I wanted to see the Eagles and I never had before. This was the hotel California tour and it was in Pittsburgh 2022. I was 20 years old at the time and I was just going to see the show to see a bucket list artist of mine. I brought my camera in cause I wanted nice photos. I watched Don sing and the Eagles sing Hotel California in its entirety and was blown away with Henley and had a religious experience almost especially during the last resort. then it turned into a completely different thing. Don came up to the mic to address the crowd before going into the mid show intermission and he started talking and he sounded like he had been smoking for 60 years and like he had a bucket of frogs in his throat. He addressed the crowd and said “I’m feeling a little under the weather tonight, but bear with me and we are going to try and put on a great show”. The minute I heard him talking this alerted a huge red flag for me not only as a musician and singer, but just the common sense part of my brain lol. or cough or mistake. so from that point on I already knew something was up and that’s when I really started watching him in particularly. I wasn’t even focused on trying to take until I had a suspicion because of how bad the security was. These video clips are very short, and while I was taking them, I was turned around and not even looking at my camera, which was very difficult. And in most of my videos on the unedited takes, you’ll see my camera shoot down real quick to hide and then I’ll raise it back up. security was on high alert which made this difficult to capture. I’m just a little bit better at it than a lot of the old farts that get caught with their phones with their flashlight on while videoing which is what most security guards were looking for. I was holding my camera with all sort of funky angles trying to capture up close video of Don in particular because he was really the only one that I suspected at the time. I saw him cough a few times when his harmony track kept going, and I thought he looked very suspicious in his singing like he wasn’t using all of the muscles in his throat to sing, and some of his facial expressions did not match when he would go up to a high note like they should. I really wasn’t able to solidify any evidence until I got back to my car and sat in the parking lot and started layering tracks from my video that night to tracks from 2018 that perfectly matched and that was when I absolutely knew. So this was not premeditated. It was something that I found out while watching. I happen to be one of the only people in that entire arena that was able to figure it out. Like the majority of Eagles fans, especially the diehards, they have been fooled for damn near seven years and it’s a hard pill to swallow. And people will defend them to the end of the earth saying they are just that good. Newsflash they’re not better than they are in the 70s and no matter how much equipment you have. You can’t get it that exact every night with every single song. It’s laughable that people still believe Don Henley is just that good that he can sing better than his 20 year old self and sing like a computer for 7 years straight.
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  • @donmoore7785
    @donmoore7785 Місяць тому +374

    This was proven by Wings of Pegasus, using pitch sensing software.

    • @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan
      @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan  Місяць тому +49

      Yes but I can tell you some people are going to try and defend Don by saying he’s only been doing it recently and he’s only been doing it on a couple songs which is 1000% false.

    • @GardenerEarthGuy
      @GardenerEarthGuy Місяць тому +17

      ​@@Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan
      Probably ALWAYS done it, Milli Vanille was so giant in the 80s and look and see.

    • @sandywa3057
      @sandywa3057 Місяць тому +41

      @donmoore7785…I’m coming here after watching Wings of Pegasus! I’m convinced!

    • @donc.123
      @donc.123 Місяць тому +47

      Fil, aka Wings of Pegasus, did a great analysis of Henley's vocal.

    • @Bobbysbuttplug
      @Bobbysbuttplug Місяць тому +21

      You can see it with your own eyes here though

  • @lionheartroar3104
    @lionheartroar3104 Місяць тому +218

    I have never gone because I refuse to pay a fortune to see them..Turns out people are getting ripped-off. I never thought The Eagles would stoop this low. No longer The eagles...now The Vultures.

    • @Vortigan07
      @Vortigan07 Місяць тому +14

      That Eagles documentary really gave me a dim view of the two main protagonists in the band. Not because of a series of he said/she said whisperings either, out of their own mouths did both Henley and Frey betray themselves, quite proudly it seemed, as utter jerks!

    • @connievino4226
      @connievino4226 Місяць тому +2

      So agreed.

    • @Estes705
      @Estes705 Місяць тому +21

      Agreed! But Phil Collins (at his age) still sat out front of the stage in a chair & ACTUALLY sang. He admitted he couldn't play drums anymore due to his health & never faked it. They had a replacement drummer.
      I'd pay to see Phil sing.

    • @FantasySportsZen
      @FantasySportsZen Місяць тому +1

      😂

    • @HighSpeedNoDrag
      @HighSpeedNoDrag Місяць тому +5

      Saw Joe Walsh when he opened up for Stevie Nicks Wild Heart Tour. Joe was a little hammered but it was a great concert back on the block (circa 1983).

  • @thedubwhisperer2157
    @thedubwhisperer2157 Місяць тому +153

    I shall forever refer to him as Con Henley from now on...

    • @FantasySportsZen
      @FantasySportsZen Місяць тому +3

      😂

    • @joedecker3900
      @joedecker3900 Місяць тому

      He’s like 77 years old

    • @robbieramsey60
      @robbieramsey60 Місяць тому

      He'll survive!
      😂

    • @VIC00-ir2bb
      @VIC00-ir2bb 29 днів тому +2

      I NEVER WOULD PAY THESE HIGH PRICE TICKETS ANYWAYS....AINT WORTH IT

    • @joedecker3900
      @joedecker3900 29 днів тому

      @@VIC00-ir2bb Listen to the classic albums, save your money!

  • @johnned4848
    @johnned4848 Місяць тому +41

    Don Henly is dead and been replaced by an animatronic robot singing the same recorded track in an amazing lifelike performance

    • @fml5910
      @fml5910 28 днів тому

      That don't even look like him.

    • @CBrolley
      @CBrolley 27 днів тому +4

      Did they pull Joe from his crypt to play these dates? He looks like a demented character from a Stephen King novel.

    • @robertlowery5586
      @robertlowery5586 16 днів тому

      The robot is better- it doesn't lip sync.

  • @fiveowaf454
    @fiveowaf454 Місяць тому +50

    If you look at people's necks you can tell when they are actually singing versus lip-synching. You can clearly see Joe Walsh's neck muscles and sinews reacting when he's really singing and the difference when he mimes the higher notes. Henley is miming all the time, unless the Botox from his face has leaked down and paralyzed the neck area.

    • @jessicahannah2522
      @jessicahannah2522 29 днів тому +6

      That's the very first thing I noticed too!

    • @Guitaristforelife
      @Guitaristforelife 19 днів тому +3

      Exactly. No muscles moving. I'm a singer and that's what I always look for

    • @fiveowaf454
      @fiveowaf454 19 днів тому +3

      @@Guitaristforelife I remember my Mother telling me that when I was a teenager and we discussed whether someone was miming, or not, on TV in the early 70's . . . just another thing my mother was right about 😉

    • @jamie.777
      @jamie.777 15 днів тому

      It's rather 😂pathetic. Don looks like confused old man. Walsh did all the drugs and looks 😅better

    • @margaretmlydon6910
      @margaretmlydon6910 3 дні тому +2

      Good one, botox.😂

  • @StephenMerchant-up8sg
    @StephenMerchant-up8sg Місяць тому +52

    'Wings Of Pegasus' channel has also recently put out pitch software proof to back this up

  • @fiveowaf454
    @fiveowaf454 Місяць тому +26

    At 3.47 he raises the mic for the audience to sing, but the audience cries "why should we have to sing, when you aren't?"

  • @tinagriggs1004
    @tinagriggs1004 Місяць тому +22

    I watched an interview with Roger Taylor with Queen who said when asked how long they would keep going "As long as we are able to remain dignified".
    That's what should have happened here with the Eagles.

    • @kevinc7286
      @kevinc7286 Місяць тому +1

      @@Not_A_TouristThey didn’t sing it (I’m not sure if they ever did do that part live), but they didn’t pretend they were singing it either. This is a completely different issues.

    • @martymartin2894
      @martymartin2894 25 днів тому

      Yeah and that's bull because they still tour with a talentless Freddie wannabe, money money money.

    • @Marooshaz
      @Marooshaz 25 днів тому +1

      @@martymartin2894they are still doing a fully live show. They are not frauding their ticket-buying audience, unlike the Eagles.

    • @johnsurrey7426
      @johnsurrey7426 4 дні тому

      It’s a bit late for Queen. Their performance at the Queen’s platinum jubilee was so lacking in enthusiasm, energy and effort that they really shouldn’t have bothered. John Deacon has the right idea.

  • @timetowakeup6302
    @timetowakeup6302 Місяць тому +117

    I wouldn’t compare what Don and the eagles are doing to karaoke, because at least people SING their performance at karaoke 😂…. This miming lip sync is a total disgrace and the music media is complicit in covering it up by not reporting it. This is FRAUD

    • @cq9882
      @cq9882 Місяць тому +6

      Ditto from Mr Greedy and I do the right thing Henley. Very disappointed

    • @diamonddavemusic
      @diamonddavemusic Місяць тому +8

      100% percent agree with you. Stop comparing lip-synching with a karaoke performance. Anyone who has ever been to a karaoke bar knows that it may not always be a good singing, but it is always real singing, and totally unedited. ✌🎶🎤🤘

    • @1mikera
      @1mikera Місяць тому +5

      @@diamonddavemusic Bravo. I make cover Karaoke tunes by several artist and last month doing a cover of "I Can't Tell You Why ", I got a copy write strike on my channel. Now I have good days and bad, and all of my stuff is one take with no artificial embellishment (auto tune) and I did a pretty good job, but certainly not as good as Timothy and it's not for profit, yet I got the strike and they took the video down. Now there are those out there that don't know what a big deal it is to get a formal copy write strike on you UA-cam channel, but it's a big deal. Oh and I'm also a drummer and so is Don. Everything he does play while supposedly singing is so rudimental a 5th. grader could do it. This is a disgrace and criminal, it's fraud

    • @ScrewyDriverTheMan
      @ScrewyDriverTheMan 29 днів тому +7

      Time for a class action lawsuit, I reckon!!!! Get your money back, folks!!!!

    • @M-zd8su
      @M-zd8su 29 днів тому

      You damn right. Total fraud

  • @VivaToddVegas
    @VivaToddVegas Місяць тому +92

    How soul-crushing would it be to go up and be a living puppet to a lip-sync track night after night? Can you imagine that you were once a great musician and singer, but now you just perform a puppet show to fool your fans into thinking you're still a musician? My heart would die. It's difficult enough to play the same songs night after night, but to just be standing there moving your lips to a track would be like being a zombie. It is horrible to see music icons reduced to human puppets who lie for money.

    • @thedubwhisperer2157
      @thedubwhisperer2157 Місяць тому +15

      Of all bands, I think that Rush had the greatest integrity and respect for their fans in quitting because they didn't feel that they could anymore do justice to their music.

    • @zephyrbear
      @zephyrbear Місяць тому +16

      Don just wants the money... he doesn't care what the fans think.

    • @BrianHassett-ih3jp
      @BrianHassett-ih3jp Місяць тому +7

      $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    • @Progmeister-tb3sn
      @Progmeister-tb3sn Місяць тому +7

      @thedub...I saw Rush in concert many times. No pitch correction or lip syncing of any kind. True professionals till the end. The same goes for Marillion. Incredible in concert and nothing fake!! Both of those bands had years on them but they didn't stoop to this!

    • @thedubwhisperer2157
      @thedubwhisperer2157 Місяць тому +1

      @@Progmeister-tb3sn Two of my favourite bands. I once saw Bon Jovi playing support to Marillion!

  • @ung427
    @ung427 Місяць тому +21

    I want to see a concert where the sound system goes down and the manager is like, "Ok guys you're really going to have to sing it this time... let's go!".. haa haa

    • @wiganer9912
      @wiganer9912 Хвилина тому

      You never know, it might happen when they come to Manchester, the new CO-OP arena is having all sorts of teething troubles.

  • @karlplaysdrums
    @karlplaysdrums Місяць тому +48

    “I’m already gone…” IRONY.

  • @diamonddavemusic
    @diamonddavemusic Місяць тому +30

    I agree with most of what you've presented on this video,...the only thing I don't agree with is that you stated Don Henley is doing a "karaoke" show. If he were doing karaoke, he would actually be singing the song himself "live", as all karaoke performers do. I perform karaoke myself, so I take exception to this comment you placed in your video. Karaoke performers sing all of their own music. Now, we may not sing it perfectly, and it may not even be in tune every time, but rest assured it is all "live" and unedited. Rock on. ✌🎶🎤🤘

  • @TBeatles67
    @TBeatles67 Місяць тому +46

    Great work. This is disgusting and sad.

  • @metjovi
    @metjovi Місяць тому +24

    This is Don 'perfectionist' Henley. A live show is not supposed to be perfect. It's supposed to be live. One goes to a concert to hear a natural and instant rendition of every song and that's it. Most people attending to a show are not even musicians or vocalists, so why bother trying to fake performances? As much as I love this band and its catalogue, I would love them to stop doing this.

    • @musicismagic3001
      @musicismagic3001 Місяць тому +7

      Henley was one of the worst live performers I have ever seen due to this controlling perfectionist quality. Absolutely no banter between the songs and the songs sounded EXACTLY like his albums. This was back in the 90’s. I remember feeling like I could have stayed home, threw on some Henley tunes and saved myself some money.

    • @Tyrannosaurine
      @Tyrannosaurine Місяць тому +11

      I 100% don’t doubt that there are Eagles albums where Don doesn’t play a single beat or that Glenn never played guitar on. It wasn’t an uncommon practice in the music industry during their earlier years, they were perfectionists, and if they believed it would be good for their bottom line, they would beat their own mothers.
      Ever since Henley had a prostitute overdose at his house and she turned out to be 15 of 16 year old girl, I was done with these pieces of --. Shame Joe Walsh got wrapped up in their bs. And at least Don Felder can say he had nothing to do with this stuff. It’s like Felder was too decent of a person to be an Eagle so they had to kick him out.

    • @TWC6724
      @TWC6724 Місяць тому +4

      @@TyrannosaurineYeah, Don Felder can now say he dodged a bullet. Damn 😮

  • @HumbleTrader001
    @HumbleTrader001 Місяць тому +86

    They should just lower the keys and sing it live, even if it doesn't sound as good in a lower key, rather than lip syncing a fake performance.

    • @theend9494
      @theend9494 Місяць тому +9

      I know what its like I am in my 60's you just cant reach those Hi keys anymore , some of those harmonies by Joe, cmon, thats Bgees country

    • @laurie66
      @laurie66 Місяць тому +1

      @@theend9494 I agree, I don’t understand why the hate all of a sudden, true Eagles fans know dang well these guys were the beasts back in the day, singing, performing, playing instruments. People get older sometimes they can’t sing like they used too and that’s ok, at least they are still getting out there in their 70’s and performing and playing. Geez Joe can’t even stand up straight, give them a break ffs, all the so called performers now all lip sync like jlo, shakira, katy perry, byonce, taylor swift but people go to see them perform. I love the Eagles and always have always will.

    • @RichardSFord
      @RichardSFord Місяць тому +11

      @@laurie66 They're not performing thought are they, they're pretending. If they can't hack it anymore they should stay at home and enjoy their retirement instead of ripping off the fans by miming.

    • @fromchomleystreet
      @fromchomleystreet Місяць тому +7

      They DID do that in the past, which is one of the most damning pieces of evidence. Who transposes a song down in their sixties, and then returns it to its original key in their seventies?

    • @kevinlakeman5043
      @kevinlakeman5043 Місяць тому

      @@laurie66 So you're justifying them charging hundreds fans of dollars for tickets, and then go pull this sh** on top of it? They're acting like elitist a-holes just out for the money and to hell with anyone who can't afford it or refuse to pay that damn much.

  • @ryanluchuck8445
    @ryanluchuck8445 Місяць тому +22

    You'd think with this much money at stake, they'd have numerous takes to pull from so it was much harder to detect. Instead they use the same take over and over again. Fuck these phonies. Pure contempt for their audience.

    • @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan
      @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan  Місяць тому +6

      True but then Don would probably mess up and mouth to the wrong take. It would be soooo difficult to memorize or even more difficult to get a track that matches the phrasing and time perfectly but with a different pitch. It’s just easier to get a way with it but banning pocket cameras and filming.

    • @ryanluchuck8445
      @ryanluchuck8445 Місяць тому +4

      @@Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan It wouldn't be difficult to match the phrasing of each take. As long as the pitch fluctuated, it would be much easier to get away with.

    • @SuziQ.
      @SuziQ. Місяць тому +4

      @@ryanluchuck8445,
      The vocal cords cannot exactly replicate the same note each time. It’s impossible. The human ear might not be able to notice it, but software can see the difference between one take and another, no matter how similar sounding it is.

  • @michaelkavooras7664
    @michaelkavooras7664 22 дні тому +5

    From the bottom of my heart, thank you for this. In my opinion this is a classic Henley movie, his ego always wins 😢

  • @MicheleD61
    @MicheleD61 Місяць тому +47

    I've been an Eagles fan for 50 years. That being said, Mr. Henley has been an egotistical SOB and hypocrite for decades. So this doesn't surprise me at all.
    I recently witnessed the Henley corporation have a livestream of the great Lee Sklar taken down because Lee hurriedly walked past a shop that was playing Dirty Laundry.
    Lee has been a studio musician for Henley but he still seemed to know ahead of time how ruthless he can be. 😠

    • @steveludwig4200
      @steveludwig4200 29 днів тому

      I dont care about him being a paranoid greedy bastard but do care about all the ALLEGED under age teenage girls he took advantage of in the 70s. Nearly killed at least two with drugs allegedly.

    • @davidmurphy5647
      @davidmurphy5647 5 днів тому +2

      i look up to lee. i now look down on don. bernie and randy stepped off, and felder got pushed off of the musical version of the titanic. i love those guys.

  • @dr.emilschaffhausen4683
    @dr.emilschaffhausen4683 Місяць тому +72

    A massively talented band that should have gone on to retirement back when they had a farewell tour 20 years ago! They should have pulled a Seinfeld and instead they pulled A Milli Vanilli.

    • @Schteve59
      @Schteve59 Місяць тому +4

      Eagles Vaneagles.

    • @sereanaduwai8313
      @sereanaduwai8313 Місяць тому +3

      You are so true. What a pity, the $$$$$$$ is just too enticing .😊

    • @sereanaduwai8313
      @sereanaduwai8313 Місяць тому +2

      You are so true. What a pity for such a great Band.

    • @Barbie8051
      @Barbie8051 Місяць тому

      Your comment is evil.. I have been to multiple performances... He can't do this for 3 hours.. It IS live,,

    • @dr.emilschaffhausen4683
      @dr.emilschaffhausen4683 Місяць тому

      @@Barbie8051 If I were you, I'd consider simply buying a quality 4K version of one of their concerts in the future. Couple that with an 85" TV and you can have your own great show at home.

  • @zephyrbear
    @zephyrbear Місяць тому +39

    For me, the Eagles were finished when they drove Randy Meisner out and I have never contributed a penny to their pockets since. I'm not surprised at all about the miming (lip-syncing)... these guys are all in their 70s and voices just don't hold up that well after years of performing. They should just retire gracefully if it isn't already too late for that. All credit to Fil at Wings of Pegasus for proving this deception beyond any reasonable doubt!

    • @RichardBond-dn2fi
      @RichardBond-dn2fi Місяць тому +3

      Was never the same without Randy!

    • @marcjohnson9270
      @marcjohnson9270 Місяць тому +1

      "I'm just holding up my end of the deal.
      It's in the fine print, in the contract from the 'commander and chief....... of this world and a world we can't see".

    • @davidmurphy5647
      @davidmurphy5647 5 днів тому

      ok, i gotta look for this wings of pegasus thing...

  • @TR-yi8up
    @TR-yi8up Місяць тому +43

    ‘You’re losing all the highs and lows
    Ain’t it funny how the feeling goes…away’
    Indeed
    Also would be easier to cut him some slack if he wasn’t such a festering asshole

    • @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan
      @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan  Місяць тому +6

      😂amen

    • @2v_5r84
      @2v_5r84 Місяць тому +5

      And if the tickets didn’t cost a fortune

    • @Nickoji
      @Nickoji Місяць тому +2

      Best UA-cam comment ever!! 😂😂😂❤🎉🎉🎉

    • @martymartin2894
      @martymartin2894 25 днів тому

      This is a brilliant comment

    • @digitalwasabi2
      @digitalwasabi2 4 години тому

      Great comment

  • @sandywa3057
    @sandywa3057 Місяць тому +16

    Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull has serious throat conditions but that doesn’t stop him. You can definitely tell he can’t hit the high notes, plus he has a younger guy in his band now singing a lot of the high notes. I’m very upset with Don Henley and the Eagles.

    • @SuziQ.
      @SuziQ. Місяць тому +3

      Jerry Cantrell has hired a younger singer to sing the high notes on his solo albums.
      We want authenticity, not lip syncing.
      Tull was my first concert. :)

    • @jamie.777
      @jamie.777 15 днів тому +1

      Such respect for Ian. And having a younger person sing high notes live is awesome and true fans always love that. Eagles are just money hungry boomers,it's not about the music or the "kids"

    • @davidmurphy5647
      @davidmurphy5647 5 днів тому +2

      say what you want about steve perry, but he don't play that. he lowers the keys, and doesn't apologize for it. he has said, "what was i thinking when i sang in that key? i can't hit those notes anymore!" good for you steve.

  • @HoofHearted6
    @HoofHearted6 Місяць тому +23

    Anyone remember the Grateful Dead faking the vocals or guitar? 😂😂😂😂😂 Because it never happened.

    • @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan
      @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan  Місяць тому +7

      Hell no. Jerry played till his last few months.

    • @buckodonnghaile4309
      @buckodonnghaile4309 Місяць тому +5

      Some (many) wish Donna had lip synched.

    • @JHKaz
      @JHKaz Місяць тому +2

      @@buckodonnghaile4309 or just played tambourine and let singers sing

  • @louieatienza8762
    @louieatienza8762 Місяць тому +12

    It's great to see Don Despicable get outed. It's not even karaoke. Milli Vanilli got publicly humiliated for this. But Don gets a pass. At least the rest of the band has some dignity.

  • @johnned4848
    @johnned4848 Місяць тому +10

    Im just having fun with the playback speed faster and slower imagining the master tape breaking down live in concert 😂😂😂

    • @danielclark6507
      @danielclark6507 29 днів тому

      They probably have two or more back ups going in silent sync, every time, ready to kick in, should one source fail. And it'd be hard disk, or some other digital audio source, not tape these days. : )

    • @RockandrollNegro
      @RockandrollNegro 26 днів тому

      That's what happened to Kiss several times over the last few years, and what made people realize they were playing to a pre-recorded track. There's no tape, but the digital backing track went out of sync with the live drums, causing the entire performance to break down.

  • @kingwood207
    @kingwood207 Місяць тому +12

    I was at their Cleveland show. Nosebleed section. I too thought it was strange how great the singing was. Joe Walsh screwed up a few times but I figured age. I saw Paul McCartney twice in the last ten years. Both great concerts but the second one was notably different. His voice was a bit shaky. Age. Paul was engaging with the audience both times. Never structured. Eagles were like a well oiled machine. Now I know why. The machine was running the concert. This will tarnish their legacy. All for the love of money. SMH.

  • @charleneevans5848
    @charleneevans5848 Місяць тому +12

    as a diehard eagles fan, this is so low. henley is too greedy to stop touring. retire already and enjoy the rest of your life. you have nothing left to prove. great band in it's day.

    • @chrisnieto5547
      @chrisnieto5547 Місяць тому +1

      They kicked meisner out because he didn’t want to sing take it to the limit when he had throat issues.

  • @stephenpercy4643
    @stephenpercy4643 Місяць тому +8

    Bottomline, this old man could never sing with that velvet without lip-sync!

  • @theelvisguru9490
    @theelvisguru9490 Місяць тому +32

    Some many artists do this now. Madonna. Frankie Valli. The eagles. Dolly Parton. Britney Spears. People say “well you’re going for the experience” ok but then they should have a disclaimer that says “this shows contains some performances which are lip synced to prerecorded tracks”

    • @progrockjournal
      @progrockjournal 28 днів тому

      Real artists don't do this.... Simply because they don't need to do it and they play with passion... Search for new artists (I think you will mention real artists in the future not Britney Spears for example (she's not a singer)

    • @theelvisguru9490
      @theelvisguru9490 28 днів тому

      @@progrockjournal I think the whole point is that real artists do do it! You can’t accuse The Eagles or Dolly Parton of not being artists

    • @robertchutonogbanua2564
      @robertchutonogbanua2564 28 днів тому +1

      Billy Joel doesn't do this. Please see his 2024 performance at the Grammys. Billy Joel doesn't even use autotune. He's a legend.

    • @cheapguitarchannel518
      @cheapguitarchannel518 21 день тому +2

      They should give milli vanilli their Grammy.

    • @cheapguitarchannel518
      @cheapguitarchannel518 21 день тому

      Most tickets include something about “mechanical reproduction” or something similar in the fine print. They have for quite some time now.

  • @Vortigan07
    @Vortigan07 Місяць тому +16

    Ohhh how incredibly embarrassing for him!! Not that Henley will feel even a scintilla of shame, of course!

    • @connievino4226
      @connievino4226 Місяць тому +2

      Agreed. I don't believe his conscience is well

  • @donwade-di8ny
    @donwade-di8ny Місяць тому +6

    Thanks so much for this enlightening video! I suspected this for quite a while, but now it's been proven.. thanks again!

  • @stevetucker9181
    @stevetucker9181 Місяць тому +8

    Interesting. I will say, however, that when I saw the Phoenix show, Vince Gill was under the weather and sung it live anyways. He did a respectable job and didn’t even try for the high notes. He just did his best.

    • @davidmurphy5647
      @davidmurphy5647 5 днів тому

      that's because he's an honest man, and a good dude...with a voice that melts buttah...tone for days.

  • @carrerlluna66
    @carrerlluna66 Місяць тому +18

    My name is Ned , I'm a drummer for many years and it appears to me that he aint even playing the drums, at least what he's miming and what is coming out of the monitors don't match. Has anyone heard him play on his own ???

    • @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan
      @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan  Місяць тому +5

      Tbh I dont know. I wouldn’t put it past him. The piano at times is a 1000% a track so even the backing musicians aren’t playing everything live. So what would stop them there. From what I’ve heard when you layer the drums over and over you can hear the tracks collide telling you it’s live drums. I do trust that the drums are live just because his backing guy uses the same drum set. I do think the drums are real bottom line tho.

    • @carrerlluna66
      @carrerlluna66 Місяць тому +6

      Hey there, I really appreciate you getting back to me on this and clarifying it. I trust your judgement, it's just that he's playing really lightly in comparison to how it sounds. In any case, great work and thank you.@@Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan

    • @albertbouwer
      @albertbouwer Місяць тому +6

      I would think if they are lip syncing and using backing tracks, then they would be playing to a click track. You should be able to pull it into a DAW and see if it stays in time perfectly from beginning to end.

    • @carrerlluna66
      @carrerlluna66 Місяць тому +6

      Unfortunately I don't have access to a DAW, it would be interesting but I would guess the whole band has to be on a click or the miming would be even more obvious. BTW have you seen how many other videos about all this have popped up in the last day or two ? Look out Don there's a tsunami headed your way@@albertbouwer

    • @vondahartsock-oneil3343
      @vondahartsock-oneil3343 Місяць тому +3

      @@albertbouwer wingsofpegasus did that. def. playing to a click track

  • @therealjeffstein
    @therealjeffstein 22 дні тому +3

    Thank you for doing this. Saw Eagles in '22 and '23 and suspected plenty of gratuitous autotune (including the Joe part you feature here) and knew Henley's voice was shot but didn't suspect lipsyncing the entire freaking show as you've shown here. I figured they're 75, let them have some autotune for a victory lap, at least they're not a baby band using it. But this is too much.
    I hate living in the era of autotune, backing tracks, and lipsyncing. *assumes old man posture* I remember growing up in the 90's when there was a general embarrassment about American Bandstand and lipsyncing during the disco era and into the 80s. We're right back there in the last decade where audiences demand absolute perfection and one mistake gets picked apart all over UA-cam. There is barely any 'live' music on 'live' TV anymore, musicals are tracks, and don't get me started on how perverted the 'live music industry' is with it now. I suspect LiveNation mandates it in some contracts because of how prevalent it is. I blame a combo of autotune and singing shows like Idol and The Voice. We've become entitled to perfection ot the point where live shows are almost numbing by how perfect they are.
    You're right, support live music. This is a free market thing. Until audiences indicate they will not accept stuff like this, artists will continue to do it.

  • @JohnNiemsMusic
    @JohnNiemsMusic 4 дні тому +1

    And here in Las Vegas they just signed this MILLI VANILLI band to the residency at the SPHERE where tickets will be the highest you can buy! I may have to picket outside telling folks to enjoy the LIP SYNCING!

  • @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan
    @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan  Місяць тому +49

    This is honestly sickening when you think about how many god damn people he’s been fooling for 6 years at every eagles show

    • @LoneWolfUsul
      @LoneWolfUsul Місяць тому +3

      It honestly is not. This is not new, nor is it in any way detracting from the show. Half of Motley Crue used backing and fill tracks for every show they ever played. This is so common in live stadium shows, it is really unbelievable people do not have more of an understanding why it is done. He is a performer, he has a product to deliver (to 20,000 people at a time, not 200) and it is his responsibility to ensure that product is delivered the way he wants it to be delivered. (soar throat, sick, or whatever) If people want to see guaranteed live shows they can go to a dive bar in a college town and watch cover bands. If they want an Eagles experience with the actual living members of the band, then they go to an Eagles show. These performers are like magicians for your ears. You are just pointing out that the magicians assistant is a contortoinist who is scrunched up in a box and complaining that the magician didn't really saw her in half. Don't go to a magic show, spoil the magic for the audience and then blame the magician for not being a better magician. You are the one spoiling the magic, not them. This has literally been done by every stadium live act since stadium live acts began. Musicians/performers use all the tools at their disposal to guarantee as good of a show as possible. This is 2024. Most "concert goers" are going to rave style DJ sets where literally no live music is being played on stage, it was all done in a studio. Literally no one going to those shows are complaining about not seeing the tracks mixed live. I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's not unacceptable to lip sync live, it is unacceptable to lip sync live BADLY. Acts since ELVIS and the BEATLES have been doing this, live on stage in front of thousands, and on TV. It's really just not that big of a deal. The artist is just guaranteeing your shared experience to be a high quality. You should really thank them for being so concerned about your entertainment experience and not fuss at them for using tools of the trade to ensure that concert going experience. (no matter how badly they might feel the night of the concert)

    • @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan
      @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan  Місяць тому +17

      @@LoneWolfUsul😂you lost me at this is my fault for revealing the magicians magic. So you think it’s fair they keep lying to the public and people praise this guy for sounding so good? This ain’t magic it’s fraud lol. There’s a fine line. Your nose is a little brown there buddy lol

    • @Cmunic8
      @Cmunic8 Місяць тому +15

      @@LoneWolfUsulif Henley CANT sing it then don’t fake it. I’m not paying to hear a recording. I can listen to recordings at home.

    • @LoneWolfUsul
      @LoneWolfUsul Місяць тому

      @@Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan It is not fraud. Humans are not machines, but humans expect a machine like performance. Think about it from his perspective. He's sick has a bad night, he can't sing... he uses a track to ensure a great show, he can't sing...
      DON HENLEY IS 76 YEARS OLD!
      It's a miracle he's ALIVE, much less PERFORMING.
      Like I said, if people want to guaranee live performances, go see an Eagles cover band at the bar. If they want to see Henley perform his music with the remaining living members of the Eagles, go to a show or buy a Blue Ray.
      He is not a fraud for usig the same tools artists have been using since ELVIS to ensure great stadium live performances.
      This is an INDUSTRY STANDARD, not a Don Henley thing.
      Do some research. Figure out how the real world works.
      Yes, you are just revealing the magic trick and being pissed it is a magic trick. That is on YOU, not the magicians doing the magic.
      Either enjoy the show or do not...
      But all this mountain out of mole hill stuff is unhinged from the way the real world works.
      Stadium performances are DONE THIS WAY. THIS IS NOT A BAR!

    • @LoneWolfUsul
      @LoneWolfUsul Місяць тому +1

      @@Cmunic8 He's 76 freaking years old! You should be happy he is alive and still performing, if that is the kind of thing you like. If you want to guarantee a live performance go watch an Eagles cover band at a dive bar. If you want an Eagles experience with the OG members of the band, go see a show or buy a DVD.
      But this thing being pointed out is not a Don Henley thing, it is an industry standard in Colluseum concerts to ensure good performances, even on off nights. It's a quality assurance thing to make sure 20K people don't cry for a refund after the show. Acts have been doing this since ELVIS, maybe before... Don't blame Henley for using an industry standard technique to ensure a good show. This is not fraud, it is insurance that the show goes well.

  • @timhalloran8337
    @timhalloran8337 29 днів тому +3

    Sad thing is I've seen Don on a couple solo tours where he is not miming. They are much more casual and he will change up the setlist and play a couple covers of songs he likes at the time. And he sounds good. Gruffer and not perfect, but enjoyable with good backing vocals that also could not really be tracking vocals if it's a smaller concert with varied setlists and guests etc.

  • @bb-gc2tx
    @bb-gc2tx Місяць тому +7

    an eagles concert is a great cure for insomnia

    • @davidmurphy5647
      @davidmurphy5647 5 днів тому +1

      tom waits said that the only thing an eagles album is good for is keeping dust off your turntable. still a classic...😂

    • @bb-gc2tx
      @bb-gc2tx 5 днів тому

      @@davidmurphy5647 thats hilarious 🤣

  • @TUTruth
    @TUTruth Місяць тому +8

    How this ends, lip syncing isn't karaoke. You're giving karaoke a bad name with that.

  • @davidjordan2336
    @davidjordan2336 Місяць тому +9

    Randy Meisner quit the band because he couldn't handle the pressure of hitting the high note in Take It To the Limit night after night. That must have been a terribly difficult decision for him to make, because quitting one of the biggest bands in the world like that would clearly effectively end his career. Hitting those high notes consistently is hard, and when you mess up, people notice. But that's also part of why they make the big bucks. Randy wanted a rest, but Don and Glenn wouldn't give it to him, so he walked away, which was the honorable thing to do. I get it that Don is old now, and your vocal cords get thicker, which makes it harder to reach the high notes. Plus general wear and tear. But the honorable thing is to transpose lower, or retire. Faking it just isn't acceptable, unless there's some special reason for it and you aren't trying to fool people.

    • @kayejohnson3000
      @kayejohnson3000 Місяць тому +4

      Randy Meisner was treated horribly by Glenn and Don. He, along with Don Felder were part of the original band members, but Don and Glenn took it upon themselves to become the head honchos when they were supposed to be equal partners in the band. That's why Felder left too. I lost all respect for them when they did that to Randy.

    • @davidjordan2336
      @davidjordan2336 Місяць тому +2

      @@kayejohnson3000 Don't forget Bernie Leadon, who was as responsible as anyone for the sound of the group in their golden era.

    • @davidmurphy5647
      @davidmurphy5647 5 днів тому

      @@davidjordan2336 yes.

  • @johnnynbk
    @johnnynbk Місяць тому +3

    according to levon helm, robby robertson's mic was not plugged in for the whole "last waltz" even though he could be seen screaming into the mic in the concert movie.

  • @janetmcguffey1394
    @janetmcguffey1394 Місяць тому +8

    I feel kinda sorry for Joe Walsh who looks like he is moving his dentures around between lines...his lip syncing at the end of phrases is even more obvious to me then Henley's faking it..

    • @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan
      @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan  Місяць тому +3

      I agree with you that Walsh is easier to spot than Henley. That’s just the nature of joes character and phrasing

    • @goratgo1970
      @goratgo1970 29 днів тому +1

      ​@@Lake_Erie_Rock_FanLove Uncle Joe to the end but admit he's filling the highs. Go watch his recent Florida appearance charity show which is him completely singing and you can really tell. I saw him 4 years ago and it was fine. He should work on another album instead - Analog Man is great.

    • @CBrolley
      @CBrolley 27 днів тому +1

      “The Eagles Live!…Sponsored by Polygrip.

  • @philsipad
    @philsipad Місяць тому +4

    These guys must be super humans remembering all the little inflections in the pre-recorded vocals for 10-20 songs and able to sync their breathings and mannerisms to match.

    • @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan
      @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan  Місяць тому +3

      Not if it was your job. They do this over and over and over again. Which one is more superhuman. What you said , memorizing and timing etc, or singing the exact same vocal for 6 years in a row at 76 years old better than you did 15 years ago.

    • @andrewlightfoot1323
      @andrewlightfoot1323 Місяць тому +2

      It is literally a matter of what people call "muscle memory". Vocal cords are a (very specialized) form of muscle; very trainable.
      They can be made to respond "automatically" in essence, they can be strengthened at nearly every "normal" herz range that the human voice is naturally/innately capable of producing. Those muscles can even made more flexible, i.e. - the overall note range can be expanded.
      I am a vocalist/singer myself, & I have sung literally for more than 90% of my life. I was a boy soprano/alto until my voice changed in 6th grade, at which time I became a "Bass I", & eventually an even lower "Bass II"...My vocal range was limited for several years (until my early 20s) to "Bass II/high Baritone. Most tenor parts were non-starters, outside of falsetto
      My range now (at over 50 yrs old) is wider than ever, stronger, and more "supple" at every level, with better breadth, timbre & resonance, from well below the Bass clef, to well above middle C, without need for going into falsetto - though I do have a very capable falsetto as well - which I also test/train...
      I can still remember almost every song lyric & every note of the choral arrangements I sang from 4th grade on...like it was yesterday, & hit the notes as well as, or better than ever. I may not even be able to recall all of the lyrics - until right when I start singing -then they just come out almost "automatically". It feels unexplainable & a little eerie.
      Part of this is definitely a "gift", part of it is constantly exercising/training my vocal cords, and pushing my range both high & low! Another important element (not to be dismissed or overlooked) is that I have taken care of my physical body, & particularly my voice.
      I've never, ever "done" drugs - not even experimentally (I'm borderline paranoid about the possible/probable effects...), & have also never been a smoker or a drinker.
      My experience with regard to my voice & its capacity may be different than others; it's worth noting that Henley likely cannot say these same things (about drugs, alcohol, tobacco smoking) for himself.
      It's sad to have the evidence of his willful deceptions (which I have long suspected) come rolling in like the tide, but not altogether surprising, unfortunately.
      Everyone who has said some variation of: "Henley should be embarrassed for himself!", is right. The fact that he is willfully indulging this blatant fakery & foisting it onto longtime fans at such exorbitantly high cost...is reprehensible. Shame!
      I still remember one of my earlier inspirations - the Mills Brothers. I saw them perform, impromptu at a Grammy Awards television broadcast..Those gentlemen stepped up to the podium, positioned themselves relative to one another, & to the microphone - and proceeded to "sing a few bars", a capella.
      Their voices were *EVERYTHING* - smooth, on top of their pitches, in perfect harmony, moving together from chord to chord, clear & resonant...
      It was a "mic drop" moment long before that phrase was in our lexicon. And I believe every one of them had to be over 80 years old.
      I said to myself then & there, "I hope I can still sing that well when I'm their age..."
      I'm still working on it...

    • @vondahartsock-oneil3343
      @vondahartsock-oneil3343 Місяць тому +2

      @@andrewlightfoot1323 Disagree. This is why Robert Plant refused to do very many Zeppelin songs. It's not just the excuse of "because we don't have John Bonham" anymore, so it's not Led Zep. He can't do the songs justice. You only really have it in your teens, thru 40s. After that, you gotta start adjusting. Everyones voice changes with age. That's biological fact. I have heard my father, mother, spouse and now mine change. Even more so if you are a smoker. Muscle memory has nothing to do with it. When you hit 70, your voice def. is not the same as when you were 55.

    • @andrewlightfoot1323
      @andrewlightfoot1323 Місяць тому +1

      @@vondahartsock-oneil3343 You're free to disagree all you want.
      I'm only sharing my experience of it, with very specific qualifiers. Robert Plant & many others may very likely be said to have "lost ground" vocally from their respective peaks.
      I dispute whether they are examples which effectively prove a point about age range, because most, like Plant, are known & documented to have abused their bodies & voices, rather than caring for them.
      You mentioned smoking, which does have an effect; I have never been a smoker, nor a drinker/ drug user. I'm increasingly an outlier in that respect, and my voice seems to support that. I'm actually over 60.
      I've lost not 1 note since 40, 45, 50...rather I've added a full step to my low range & 2+ to my upper register.
      Love to go karaoke singing, as well as sing at church; I can hit/hold Steven Tyler's high "scream" from Aerosmith's 'Dream On', all the high notes from A-Ha's " Take On Me", every note from Axl Rose (Guns 'n' Roses) "Sweet Child" or "Paradise City", same with Steve Perry's "Oh! Sherrie", "Foolish Heart", "Lights" by Journey...& then step to the mic & throw down some Lou Rawls & some Barry White. I never used to be able to hit that high register stuff - not until about 10 - 15 years ago.
      It is a gift, & must be properly taken care of, challenged/trained - and the Divine Giver ✨️ acknowledged first above all. I have a sense that I may be an outlier. I'm not 70, but I can do things that no other man of my age (that I know of) can.
      Time will tell, I guess, whether I am (vocally) an age-defying "outlier" on the level of the Mills Brothers, Mel Torme, Bing, or Johnny Mathis, who sang beautifully past 80. There have truly been very few such!
      I just take good care of the gift, & Bless the Giver with all my heart and gratitude. The rest is up to Him.

    • @SuziQ.
      @SuziQ. Місяць тому +1

      @@andrewlightfoot1323,
      Muscle memory isn’t a valid argument, because of the tiny variations in each recording.
      Record yourself singing the same note a few times, and compare it on a pitch graph. Every take will be slightly different, even on the same note.
      Muscles have strands. Some take over when others are weak, or due to breathing in the case of singing.

  • @topazure74
    @topazure74 Місяць тому +11

    Don Henley is a greedy tyrant. His greed knows no bounds & he will continue to do this until people stop wasting money to see them lip sync. Henley will sue anyone for anything, & now it's time for lawsuits to be filed against them for blatantly ripping off all their loyal fans for years now. I will now have a hard time listening to a once great band after this gut punch that kind of ruins the whole thing for me.

    • @VIC00-ir2bb
      @VIC00-ir2bb 29 днів тому

      He is a crook, but still better than mellonhead & springDumb!...
      🤣🤣🤣

  • @Bagabonda
    @Bagabonda Місяць тому +7

    I'm a trained vocalist and musician, and I know what to look for. With Henley's singing, I honestly believed that he has been lip-syncing, based on sonic analysis by Wings of Pegasus, but in this video, I just don't see Henley lip-syncing. The spot you pointed to as proof didn't look off to me. It's true that lip-syncers can fool us sometimes--the key is to actually sing rather than just move your mouth--but I don't see it here with Henley. With Walsh, he clearly doesn't hit the high note. Perhaps another singer was doubling him on that--or he's syncing. His vocal sounds like the voice of an older man, not the voice we remember. If he is syncing, the recording is recent. I must say this whole situation is deeply troubling.

    • @MrChopsticktech
      @MrChopsticktech 29 днів тому

      I'm an amateur singer and player self taught and didn't see it either. Also, I am pretty sure I have seen other videos where they actually show the whole band and remember seeing someone else sing the high parts this poster claims Joe faked. Here I heard Joe take the lower harmony. I'm pretty sure there are a few people on that stage who sing those higher harmonies and Joe takes lower ones. That's what I see a lot in bands with older singers do.

    • @davidmurphy5647
      @davidmurphy5647 5 днів тому

      joe is very clearly miming the track on the high notes. i don't know how he hit those notes in the first place. a friend of mine who is friends with the tour drummer (scott) says they use many racks of (what used to be) autotune . several units for each vocal mic. that's a lotta mics. of course, now we all use melodyne... but not live! i'm depressed. i held don in the highest regard as a singer...but he is a piece of shit person. total tyrant.

    • @HucksterFoot
      @HucksterFoot День тому

      Certainly looks like he is syncing to "cause I'm already gone"
      I don't see the proof here with this example.

  • @macbeavers6938
    @macbeavers6938 Місяць тому +8

    When is enough money enough?! Maybe Henley has finally figured out a way to actually take it with him?!
    "The power of Falsity is deep, as is the power to discern Truth from Shadow "
    --Ra in Teaching the Law of One

  • @davesrvchannel4717
    @davesrvchannel4717 Місяць тому +6

    If people could sue for being lied to at concerts, the group Foreigner would be broke tomorrow

    • @hondaphan4172
      @hondaphan4172 29 днів тому +1

      I assume you're talking about the current lineup who no longer tour with band founder Mick Jones due to him being diagnosed with Parkinson's Disease. As Mick was the only original member onstage since the new lineup started touring in '05 it's now truly a tribute band, a really good one, but a tribute band nonetheless. Although not original members, keyboardist Jeff Jacobs and instrumentalist Tom Gimbel had been in the band since the mid 90's but Tom retired several years ago and Jeff left the band around fifteen years ago. I'm a day-one diehard fan and I saw the new lineup a handful of times between '05 & '07 but I stopped going when I felt the setlist was getting stale. At least when they first started touring they played Headknocker at my first two shows and they nailed it. They even played Break It Up at one of my later shows and it sounded good. Eventually it just became the same songs being played in the exact same order show after show and I grew tired of it. Fast forward several years later and the setlist was comprised entirely of their greatest hits which didn't interest me at all...not playing Starrider was a big no-no for me. To add insult to injury the new instrumentalist doesn't play sax which is criminal considering their catalog...Urgent in particular. They're packing houses worldwide and I'm amazed people are paying top-dollar to see a lineup which had absolutely nothing to do with the songs they're playing. IMO, they should've thrown in the towel when Mick couldn't perform...but I'm just a stupid fan.

    • @davesrvchannel4717
      @davesrvchannel4717 29 днів тому +1

      @@hondaphan4172 very well said!!!

    • @bookpromochannel
      @bookpromochannel 28 днів тому

      The Little River Band too! No original members! The originals were duped out of the license to the name without their knowledge back in the late 90's and the originals still haven't been able to get back or use the name!

  • @MonteD1
    @MonteD1 Місяць тому +6

    Damn. At least Vince is singing.

    • @mayaram2411
      @mayaram2411 28 днів тому +2

      It just doesn’t make sense. How is it possible to have a half lip-synching show and half a live singing show? All of them are lip synching to some degree. I bet even Timothy B. Schmitt. I do wish he would get off this runaway train of boomer nostalgia. I always thought he had more integrity than this.

  • @diegooland1261
    @diegooland1261 Місяць тому +5

    I'm not an aging rocker fan. I don't need the trip down memory lane. I don't look back, darling, it distracts from the now.

    • @seerstone8982
      @seerstone8982 Місяць тому +1

      I'm almost 65. It's very depressing to watch old rockers. Rock wasn't ever meant to be like this. I went to see the The Beatles tribute band '1964' in 2008. They were in their 50s then. They are still performing 😮

  • @jakethepitador2558
    @jakethepitador2558 3 дні тому

    I saw Don Henley's solo tour in 1991. No lip synching, and it was awesome.

  • @themadmerkin
    @themadmerkin 6 днів тому +1

    Couple thoughts: one, Roger Waters did a combination of what Henley and Walsh are doing during his recent This Is Not a Drill tour. The world of UA-cam gives away that his vocals are identical (little nuances and all) from one show to the next. Although it does seem he sings about half to two thirds live when in a lower register. Two, I remember watching Henley on Howard Stern back in 2015. He played a few songs live but they were keyed significantly lower so he could make the notes. Then like a week later I see video of him at a concert and he’s back in the original key no problem.
    It’s a shame because fans want to hear these guys today. Plus, it’s criminal to charge whatwhat these guys are charging to not get a genuine live performance

  • @harryblue7868
    @harryblue7868 Місяць тому +4

    The Eagles were finished when Glen Frey and Randy passed away. Will not pay for fake. ZZTOP is doing the same thing.

  • @Mr.Peepers
    @Mr.Peepers Місяць тому +8

    Frankie Valli also lip syncs his whole show. Obvious as hell. I feel stupid for paying to see the Eagles farewell tour. Interesting that Joe Walsh is busted too. I was front row a couple tours ago and I saw him trigger what looked like a midi sample with his foot on his rig during a high point of "In the city". Plain as day folks. I go to many shows.
    So I think it is very possible they might be triggering the various parts of some other songs in a similar fashion under their own control and timing.
    Security about cell phone videos was very tight. I saw one dude just looking for people using their phones and hassling them. They even had an announcement at the start of the show not to film.
    "Welcome lifelong fans, please refrain from exposing our charade. We have some more cities to fleece".
    Jeff Lebowski was right about these shysters. Bring on the Creedence!
    Edit 4/11/24: The Rock Gods have heard my prayer! - They just announced John Fogerty and George Thorogood & The Destroyers are coming to St. Louis August 10!
    My faith in an actual live concert being performed will be restored.
    I'm really Looking forward to seeing ELO in St. Louis and Los Angeles for three shows in October. I've been watching their 2017 concert at Wembley stadium and can't help but think about the Eagles charade. Rock and roll never forgets.
    This is how you do it, Don. Let it rip and SING. This is a great show with leads and harmonies actually being sung.
    ua-cam.com/video/DFFo-DaHnC8/v-deo.htmlsi=Iu_3h3T6WEir2I-y

  • @andyhinds542
    @andyhinds542 23 дні тому +1

    I am so glad I have seen this. It doubles up on my reason why I refuse to pay over £200 to see them on yet another of their umpteenth farewell tours.

  • @rockinvida1960
    @rockinvida1960 Місяць тому +4

    This video is gold…priceless…A savage indictment of Don Henley who despite his reputation as a douchebag, was always given credit for his fabulous live vocals that sounded remarkably similar to the classic recorded versions. Now we know why! Kind of sad that he has America’s favorite knucklehead
    Joe Walsh participating in the shenanigans as well…🤨

  • @19trebor53
    @19trebor53 Місяць тому +7

    And they kicked Don Felder out of the Eagles for less.

    • @3rscrafting
      @3rscrafting Місяць тому

      I guess!

    • @leesargent65
      @leesargent65 5 днів тому

      Bet Felder is glad they did if he has seen this.

  • @MrGreglarry
    @MrGreglarry Місяць тому +3

    Thank you

  • @davebowden4010
    @davebowden4010 26 днів тому +1

    I saw the reunited Canned Heat many many years ago in a small venue in Auckland New Zealand. I was standing 4 feet from the singer/guitarist. He was playing then something happened and he stopped playing
    ...but his guitar amp didnt get the message and the prerecorded guitar track kept playing .
    I looked at him.
    He looked me directly in the eye.
    He knew I'd noticed.
    I knew he had realised I knew.
    We both knew.
    It was disappointing.
    And that was decades ago

  • @powerboon2k
    @powerboon2k 28 днів тому +2

    He looks at the crowd like he wouldnt even piss on them.

  • @AndrewJDuddy
    @AndrewJDuddy Місяць тому +8

    You can see on dons face there is no strain at all he is clearly not singing. Plus listen to other aging performers like Bon Jovi and Axl... Their voices are terrible now. This vocal is just too good for guys their age.

  • @bobfrankish8883
    @bobfrankish8883 Місяць тому +12

    yes indeed. I'm a big fan of Fil (Wings of Pegasus), very talented singer and player. he has proved what you are claiming 100% with technology. I saw the Eagles 3 times, once with Don Felder present, twice with Stewart Smith, long enough ago to assume all was as it should be, or was it? The last time, I was with 2 former band mates, we had all been playing on and off for about 40 years, and I remember my mate, a drummer saying there was something off about Henley's drumming, i.e. what you saw was not what you heard, and we all said the same thing, that the vocals were uncannily good, just like the original recordings. makes you wonder

  • @godbyone
    @godbyone Місяць тому +8

    All that money and screw with felder

  • @jeffmyers
    @jeffmyers Місяць тому +12

    Artists like this are between a rock and a hard place. Audiences want perfect every time and don't know or care that it is recorded. If it was live and he made a mistake or was off key then people would complain that it sucked and they paid $$ for tickets. So they have a choice, piss off a handful of people that care about real live performances or piss off 75% if the audience by not being a perfect reproduction of the original recording. Concerts by classic bands are now celebrity events , not musical performances.

    • @MrChopsticktech
      @MrChopsticktech 29 днів тому

      Agreed! people complain about high (or ridiculously high) ticket prices, but can you imagine the kinds of people in the audience would be there if tickets were $30 USD?

  • @ryansetzer694
    @ryansetzer694 Місяць тому +4

    I can't believe musicians stoop this low. I paid to see Frankie Valli back in 2016 and wondered how he could sing so perfectly in his 80s still. I felt duped when I found out he's been lip synching to tracks since the 1990s.

    • @davidmurphy5647
      @davidmurphy5647 5 днів тому

      "musicians" don't stoop to this. they sing and play, come what may. these fraudsters are acting like musicians/singers. i never saw them "live", and i STILL want my money back!😡

  • @chrisfarrell7309
    @chrisfarrell7309 9 годин тому

    Everyone who purchased tickets to the shows needs to sue Don Henley’s balls off!!!

  • @charliejones3553
    @charliejones3553 29 днів тому +2

    anyone at an Eagles show (of this vintage) where the audio support tape failed? THAT would be worth the over inflated price of admission. i'd pay to see Henley's last performance ever... that douchebag.

  • @davidtexter913
    @davidtexter913 Місяць тому +15

    I wonder if paid concert goers can sue to get their money back?? ! If I paid $500 for a seat to see a live performance, and only received lip sync, I'd be pissed off. This is a total scam and a disrespect to the fans! And i betcha if Henley is forced to address this, he will Justify that the audience is getting the best Eagles performance!! 😡...one last point, Classic Rock has had a great run! I greatly respect the performers who really respect their fan base! Great post💯🎶

    • @guitarman3968
      @guitarman3968 Місяць тому +2

      Wouldn’t lip synching count as fraud?

    • @SuziQ.
      @SuziQ. Місяць тому +2

      @@guitarman3968,
      Yes! It *is* fraud. The tickets don’t say “watch the Eagles experience, lip synced by the remaining Eagle and others”.

    • @MrChopsticktech
      @MrChopsticktech 29 днів тому

      @@SuziQ. Do they say 'Guaranteed Live! No Backing Tracks or Lip-Syncing or your money back'. I'm no lawyer but I doubt the money you spent would be worth what you would pay to file a lawsuit.

    • @SuziQ.
      @SuziQ. 28 днів тому

      @@MrChopsticktech ,
      Milli Vanilli were sued for lip syncing. This is not different (except that the ticket prices are astronomical for the Eagles).
      MV had to refund concert goers, because they committed fraud. This is fraud. “Live” concerts are supposed to be actual live concerts, not lip syncing. Eagles fans expect live music. If it’s not live, that should be made clear before the tickets go on sale.
      Addit: Audience members wouldn’t have to pay a lawyer. I’ll bet that lawyers that know about this are already preparing class action lawsuits.

    • @davidmurphy5647
      @davidmurphy5647 5 днів тому

      @@SuziQ. it's consumer fraud. they're selling a product that they are not delivering. FRAUD.

  • @legman1476
    @legman1476 Місяць тому +3

    I don't understand why some musicians can't change the key to one they can sing their song in. Hubris? Laziness? Bury in the fine print if you must but state somewhere that you're using some backing tracks and say it's, so the casual fan won't miss out. Blame it on them to protect your ego(s). The Police changed the key, (not an easy thing for some of Andy Summer's guitar parts), to most every song on their 2008 World Tour, but then they are all very accomplished musicians. Oh, and Sting is a perfectionist too, Mr. Henley.

    • @annmarie3573
      @annmarie3573 Місяць тому +1

      Perfectionism is the thief of joy, and you can't make good music without joy.

    • @fluthyhehim66
      @fluthyhehim66 Місяць тому +1

      Don Henley changed the key before he started lip synching. He made a mistake in Hotel California in 2018 so he was still singing live then. I think he started lip synching around 2019 or 2020.

  • @alangreensmith7887
    @alangreensmith7887 Місяць тому +2

    Saw them on the hell freezers over tour when it was the real deal, now their just a watered down version.

  • @sly2392
    @sly2392 21 день тому +1

    when i went with my friends back in the 60s to concerts in san francisco at winterland fillmore west and all kinds of venues. we never ever had to worry about this kind of shit. and we would see great bands sometimes 3 or 4 with one admission price of around 10 to 20 dollars for the concert. they played for the music and their fans. the money was the frosting on the cake and matches to light their joynts. i feel so sorry for people attending these concerts not knowing what they are truly listening to. its all about the $$$$$$$$$ NOW.

  • @georgeprice4212
    @georgeprice4212 Місяць тому +3

    With Joe Walsh, that’s his style! He’s been doing that style of singing since The James Gang.

    • @SuziQ.
      @SuziQ. Місяць тому +2

      Joe sang (horribly) at the Taylor Hawkins Tribute Concert. He didn’t try for the high notes, and of course, they didn’t play Eagles, but James Gang.

    • @georgeprice4212
      @georgeprice4212 Місяць тому

      @@SuziQ. because they were there as The James Gang. Also, expecting Joe to still hit high notes in his 70’s is unreasonable.

    • @SuziQ.
      @SuziQ. Місяць тому +1

      @@georgeprice4212 ,
      I wouldn’t expect Joe to hit high notes. I would prefer hearing someone else singing the high notes, and everyone being up front about it.
      Jerry Cantrell has Greg Puciato singing the high notes on his last solo album, and on tour.
      That should be the standard when a vocalist ages. No deception, no lip syncing.

    • @goratgo1970
      @goratgo1970 29 днів тому +1

      ​​@@SuziQ.Go check out Rob Halford - he's 73!

    • @SuziQ.
      @SuziQ. 29 днів тому

      @@goratgo1970 ,
      I just did. I don’t think he’s using a backing track. The concert was a few days ago, in Milan, Italy.
      Priest is a different genre. Metal isn’t about a group singing in harmony, like CSN/Y or Eagles (or even the Beach Boys, who’ve been faking it since the beginning).
      I’ll take Priest or Maiden over the dregs of the lip syncing Eagle (and hired band).
      Addit: the upload is from “Fabio Vi” and the title says: Judas Priest “UK”. It’s from April 6th.

  • @markesquivel3437
    @markesquivel3437 Місяць тому +9

    They have been doing this for years…since HFO tour…a roadie said they have been doing it since MIDI days

    • @MrChopsticktech
      @MrChopsticktech 29 днів тому

      Oh, a roadie said. I was going to go to a concert but not now.

    • @davidmurphy5647
      @davidmurphy5647 5 днів тому

      it is true. believe it. ever heard the "circle of fear" thing on 60 minutes years ago? that's what they really sound like. and it ain't that good..

  • @lucasjames572
    @lucasjames572 Місяць тому +1

    Damn, they still sound good. That’s where the greatest hits album sits at top number one all-time selling list.

  • @moodyblue1964
    @moodyblue1964 13 днів тому

    There's absolutely no way I'm paying their prices. I saw the 1994 tour, I think a gig in between and the Long Road Out Of Eden tour, but after that, their setlist dropped all of that album and prices hit the roof. That was enough for me.

  • @zenstain
    @zenstain Місяць тому +5

    I guess they figured if it worked for Motley Crue...

    • @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan
      @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan  Місяць тому +8

      lol Motley Crue figured “if it worked for the Eagles” 😂

  • @ST-ry7lr
    @ST-ry7lr Місяць тому +5

    The Eagles have put on the "perfect" shows since the beginning. I saw them a few times in the 70's. Every lyric, every note, every lead always played exactly the same as on the record. Both Don and Glen dictated this. OMG they were boring.
    I saw them at a Stadium concert in KC with Dan Fogelberg (opener), and Linda Ronstadt. Fogelberg just on the guitar, he was great (I was a fan). And Linda came out in her pink teddy and great band and just kicked ass. Everyone was on their feet dancing.
    Then 20 minutes later, the Eagles come out. The crowd started thinning out after about 30 minutes. Booooring.

  • @justingarman6980
    @justingarman6980 Місяць тому +2

    I’ll be honest. Would love for this to be true. But these videos I didn’t see anything.. is it because of the moving away from the mic?

  • @dropclutch1
    @dropclutch1 Місяць тому +1

    Would be great to get a crew member to confirm this too. I'm sure they have to sign non-disclosure agreements though. Btw my local musical instrument repairman got to play with Ozzie at least 20 years ago and said Ozzie had vocalists backstage singing his parts as well.

  • @cinemar
    @cinemar Місяць тому +21

    You can even tell in his muscle movement where the vocal is strong but the effort in his face and neck is lazy. People don't sing like that when they look like that.

  • @ablestringer9063
    @ablestringer9063 Місяць тому +4

    No one literally no one needs to hold a Mike that close ffs

  • @NoOne-kr4jc
    @NoOne-kr4jc Місяць тому

    You're a blessing for doing this. Thank you so much. I love investigative minds.
    As the video shows, The Eagles (we're focusing on Don Henley) jacked up the ass on tickets. I must give past credit where its due:
    Don Henley was an incredible musician. Notice how I say "was". The Eagles were, and maybe are, fantastic musicians.
    Not only did Henley destroy The Eagles' legacy, he let down a shitload of people. The biggest insult is obviously how much money these concerts were. Pretty lazy too. At the same time, the music does not deserve to be represented in the future by what Henley did. We enjoyed it without knowing this was going on, so they give wonderful audio artwork. Aside from the rest of The Eagles, Henley deserves what will be coming to get him. I would like to see that contractual institution destroyed. We do not want to see the rest of the bandmates imprisoned by legal agreement. I am glad Felder left early and I would like to see them all together again, except for Don Henley.

  • @tod3msn
    @tod3msn 25 днів тому +1

    I think there are a lot of group sing-a-longs here. Meaning you don't see Don singing by himself but rather there are others singing "Already Gone" with him in it's entirety. I also noticed when he was singing the first song he was opening his mouth up very widely which people do when trying to project their voice. His mouth was open sort of just to have it open but if he were singing to the cheap seats there would have been more facial activity.

  • @shadowgolem9158
    @shadowgolem9158 Місяць тому +3

    You can tell by the breathing too. You have to pull in a LOT of air before you belt it out. His chest never expands like it would need to his neck never strains likenit should. He looks like he is talking quietly. Unfortunate.

  • @glock0292
    @glock0292 Місяць тому +3

    Pretty sure Joe Walsh just does what he’s told. He’s just a hired gun. The only respectable person on that stage.

    • @gatsbygoodwood2575
      @gatsbygoodwood2575 22 дні тому

      I really don’t see the point in putting all that makeup on Joes voice, he could never sing but that what was so good about him. Ive just recently payed too dollar to go and see them in a few months and now I learn about this travesty. Shania Twain did the same and I walked out half way through, only time I’ve done that. Doobie brothers are now the warm up act so at least I have that to look forward too.

    • @roryphillips57
      @roryphillips57 7 днів тому

      I concur. As a diehard Walsh fan even I have to admit (whilst it may or may not be lip syncing) there's definitely some meddling with those high notes. There's a heaping of auto tune and it's possible some of the discrepancy in the video could be due to backup singers supporting his high notes. However, I've seen him sing in the city on solo shows (for example the vetsaid live stream) and it was definitely live (and no, he didn't really manage the high note). What that tells me is more than likely Joe still wants to keep his self respect and do it live on solo shows, but Henley won't let him when he plays with the eagles

  • @grangrampa832
    @grangrampa832 9 днів тому +1

    Well I always loved the eagles and saw them twice and worth every penny

  • @yellowkangdexasthur4904
    @yellowkangdexasthur4904 28 днів тому +1

    Notice how he "cups" the mics at times to block anyone getting a full view of his mouth if he messes up

  • @natashanyxx9486
    @natashanyxx9486 Місяць тому +3

    In Joe's case, it's called "mic proximity". He has to push the high notes out harder, and he backs off the mic. That's a common technique for singers. A lot of bands have the backing vocals tracked. I don't like it, but I'm not surprised.

    • @E-BikingAdventures
      @E-BikingAdventures Місяць тому +4

      That's not the case here. You can hear that it switches over to a prerecorded audio when he backs off and pretends to sing the higher vocal line. On one of them, you can even see it in the expression on his face after pretending to sing it.

    • @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan
      @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan  Місяць тому +1

      @@E-BikingAdventures yep. Exactly. Thanks for that

    • @ericmarshall963
      @ericmarshall963 Місяць тому +2

      I’m pretty sure all Vince’s vocals are live as well as Deacon’s and Tim’s. Joe can’t hit the high notes now but most of his are vocals are live. I’m afraid Don is just on a cash grab. It’s actually embarrassing.

    • @mayaram2411
      @mayaram2411 28 днів тому

      @@ericmarshall963all of them are lip synching. It doesn’t make sense that part of the band lip syncs and the other doesn’t.

    • @ericmarshall963
      @ericmarshall963 28 днів тому

      @@mayaram2411 That is happening. Joe’s vocals are proved live apart from the high notes apparently. Vince Gill’s are live.

  • @kellyldavis100
    @kellyldavis100 Місяць тому +5

    I don’t get WHY they keep touring anyway…….like do they need the money? How could that be?!

    • @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan
      @Lake_Erie_Rock_Fan  Місяць тому +9

      Ask that same question of all the multi billionaires. Enough is never enough.

    • @andrewlightfoot1323
      @andrewlightfoot1323 Місяць тому +1

      Drug/alcohol rehab costs a lot of $$$, "homie"...lol!

  • @michaelmclarney1994
    @michaelmclarney1994 29 днів тому

    I'm pleased I haven't got tickets now! I'm May, I'm going to see an excellent tribute band called Tallon in the UK so will enjoy that and remember seeing the Eagles 20+ years ago when they played their hearts out!

  • @MissJensk1
    @MissJensk1 Місяць тому +1

    As a singer I can tell you that it wouldn't be unusual to not make a note one night, but then sing it perfectly a few weeks or months later. This can be due to getting over a cold, or just being under the weather, fatigue, temperature, ir just missing it & your voice catching. Its happened to me.

  • @The_Original_Alex_Channel
    @The_Original_Alex_Channel 20 днів тому +3

    Clearly autotune on the vocal as well...

  • @MrTohuskey
    @MrTohuskey Місяць тому +4

    LOL He looks so paranoid at anyone holding a phone up....

    • @sameold5050
      @sameold5050 Місяць тому

      The 'ego's' had forbidden anyone to take photo's at their concerts for years.
      Glen Frey was adamant about this & has told security to remove anyone who doesn't behave.

    • @jeaneeem
      @jeaneeem Місяць тому +2

      I paid for a great seat at RLA Melbourne in 2010 and kept getting filthy looks from Henley for daring to take some photos. The security guards approached me in the break, but said they weren’t going to do anything because for the price of the ticket I should be allowed to take a few snaps!

    • @SuziQ.
      @SuziQ. Місяць тому +1

      People can still record just the audio, and run it through a pitch monitor. Most venues require ticketless, so we have to bring our phones.

  • @bobwassell
    @bobwassell 7 днів тому

    Simple Proof, Desperado is in the Key of G, much like the album but as TJ Walker pointed out on his channel, the 2015 Don Henley Howard Stern appearance was in the key of F... 2 steps down. As people get older when they lower the key to a song (as he did for the 2015 performance) they NEVER EVER raise it back up. Glenn is spinning in his grave.

  • @astrosjer822
    @astrosjer822 20 днів тому +1

    Glenn is gone and now Don does this…shocking

  • @Drvanosdrand
    @Drvanosdrand Місяць тому +4

    It's all about Money

  • @lindaross783
    @lindaross783 Місяць тому +3

    Not Joe too???

  • @maxhengst2252
    @maxhengst2252 28 днів тому +1

    I saw a recent interview of Henley. What a bitter old man he has become!

  • @geekUSA101
    @geekUSA101 3 дні тому

    I’m pretty sure Van Halen’s background harmonies were recordings too when I saw them live maybe 10 years ago or so

  • @Mark-qz2nu
    @Mark-qz2nu Місяць тому +4

    Want to buy a ticket? Pay with monopoly money.