I hate to disagree with Bret hart. But he says that you can only be a good booker if you drew money as a talent. Al Snow has always proved that being some people do and others can teach. Al didn’t draw huge money but as a booker he’s very good. OVW is a great product that is awesome at developing talent. And he know exactly what he’s talking about.
Michael Jordan proved that just cause you can shoot a ball inside a basket, doesn’t mean you can run an organization & have them win Championships. He heavily criticized his general manager Jerry Krause while playing for the Bulls, thinking it was the players who did it all but it was upper management & the owner who pulls the team together, the coach who makes the plays. Michael Jordan was a complete failure for the Bobcats/Hornets, he always had one of the worse teams in the league.
Sanitised is a good word for what it's become lately. I didn't realise they weren't getting as much live experience now as they did back in the '90s but that would explain why it sucks so much today. (That and the wanting a 5 star match instead of drawing an audience.)
If you go back and start watching RAW from the beginning, you'll notice things really changing after the ECW invasion. Sid and Nash were prototypes for guys like Steve Austin, the babyface that acts like a heel.
You could see massive differences in wwf in late mid mainly late 1996 and by the end of 1997 it had changed so much that it was no longer recognizable to 1993-1996 raw
The problem these days is that guys are too focused on having 5 star hour long matches instead of trying to draw a crowd. The biggest draws were hogan and Austin and neither one were ring general technical wrestlers but were larger than life characters who people bought into. There's a reason nobody is drawing money these days. WWE makes money from their merch and TV deals and sponsors etc.
Like the other gentleman said nobody buys a ticket to see one person anymore. They go to watch WWE. WWE is drawing massive crowds & larger than ever gates.
@@DementiaJester OVW is still going on, Snow is the head booker, and every indictment he made about a hypothetical wrestling promotion drawing 50 fans and losing 25 the next night is something his promotion is guilty of.
Have any of you guys gone back and watched attitude era WWF? It's mostly horrible bs then maybe 15 good mins of Rock/Austin/Vince. That era was good because you could flip back and forth between WCW, WWF, and MNF
The problem with wrestling now is everyone wants to be “the rock”Everyone wants his career path. WWE to these kids, is nothing more than a stepping stone.
@5:22 explains a lot about the downfall of professional wrestling in general if you think about it. Oh sure, theres a ton of money being tossed between WWE and AEW today because of TV contracts and all, but everything else about the wrestling business has suffered because of those 4 years.
11:54 "promoters are not philanthropic " lol now we have one who is. And his show is just people doing flips through broken glass for a handful of online losers while his ratings are barely a 3rd of WWE. Al was right all along.
You are right but WWE made it truly work. ECW and WCW was only able to capitalize for a very short time and they both lack vision. It have to suck to create something and the next guy do you better than you.
I love what als saying there.. why doesnt wwe run about 20 indie shows all over America, so that they can develop talent that learn to get over naturally... rather than have one or two routes of access and limited talent, they could grow future stars that already know how to get over before they even enter wwe prime time tv
3:58 "There were no big 3" Sure when WCW was at it's peak ECW was nowhere close to WCW. But in 2000 ECW actually had some PPV's and Events that outdrew WCW. Yes ECW didn't have the money, production and global reach like WCW had, but when it comes to ticket sales, merchandise and PPV buys, ECW was in competition with WCW and actually beat them in some cases!
If it doesn't generate more income, how's a promoter supposed to continue running the show? Have a billionaire daddy that lets you buy..... I mean sign new toys for you to play with.
Certainly. But nobody ever became famous just by "wanting it." Which was Al's point. It's hard enough to make it as a pro wrestler when you get into it just wanting to be a pro wrestler - which at least proves one's priorities are correct. If you try to break in with some broad vision of becoming famous and drawing money, you'll likely succeed at neither.
There are plenty of "famous" wrestlers who couldn't sell out an indie show that only sits 200 ppl. You don't wanna just be "famous", you wanna be a draw/needle mover
What wrestlers want to be famous? They just wanna wrestle to me and have best match None of them can draw a dime Don't know what or who Al is talking about here
All you have to do is look at what Russo booked to tell that's not true. Corny's ideas of wrestling can be a bit out of style at times sure, but Russo's ideas are just cringe to watch.
Cornette could book an entire promotion by himself. Russo sometimes had good ideas but most of them were garbage and he needed wrestling people to filter through them to make something out of it. That's part of why he was so bad after he left the WWE.
Yeah same here although I didn't realize just how much of it was Russo. And to be fair not all of it was Russo that sucked. But. He. Definitely was a massive part of it.
@@johnnersinger9771Motherfucker, if it was *THAT* good, don’t you think it wouldn’t have changed _ONE DAMN BIT?_ It’s sad that you’re stuck in ‘97-‘99, watching a promo by someone who is booking a wrestling school now, and you’re getting a hard-on reminiscing about a time period that occurred 25yrs ago. Move on bro.
@@peterf08 that is hardly from the sole efforts of vinny ru. Imagine having the biggest stars, best heels, studio level production backning you up and _the owner of the company_ holding the reins and holding your wacko bits back while the creative endeavour was done by _committe_ , sure. Even i would have made some choice wrestling at that point. Ask youself: why has he failed so miserably _everywhere else_ that he's been?
I hate to disagree with Bret hart. But he says that you can only be a good booker if you drew money as a talent. Al Snow has always proved that being some people do and others can teach. Al didn’t draw huge money but as a booker he’s very good. OVW is a great product that is awesome at developing talent. And he know exactly what he’s talking about.
He didn’t draw money in WWF/E because McMahon couldn’t market it. Meanwhile the head gimmick was insanely over in ECW.
OVW really has to work on their online presence. Get stuff on social media, YT, etc...
Michael Jordan proved that just cause you can shoot a ball inside a basket, doesn’t mean you can run an organization & have them win Championships. He heavily criticized his general manager Jerry Krause while playing for the Bulls, thinking it was the players who did it all but it was upper management & the owner who pulls the team together, the coach who makes the plays. Michael Jordan was a complete failure for the Bobcats/Hornets, he always had one of the worse teams in the league.
Al Snow was a great wrestler and was over at different points in his career. He was never going to be a main event guy but he had a decent career.
OVW once did a ppv that had 74 buys worldwide. Using AL's own criteria that make OVW the shits.
Sanitised is a good word for what it's become lately. I didn't realise they weren't getting as much live experience now as they did back in the '90s but that would explain why it sucks so much today. (That and the wanting a 5 star match instead of drawing an audience.)
Can you please include the recording date in the description or in the video?
If you go back and start watching RAW from the beginning, you'll notice things really changing after the ECW invasion. Sid and Nash were prototypes for guys like Steve Austin, the babyface that acts like a heel.
Sid doesn't get enough credit, he was so over
He’s one of the lowest drawing champions ever
@@maxmeza4859Not as low as Diesel or Shawn Michaels.
@@maxmeza4859 Compared to those of that same timeframe, he was a draw. People would cheer for Sid, the heel, and boo the babyface Shawn Michaels.
You could see massive differences in wwf in late mid mainly late 1996 and by the end of 1997 it had changed so much that it was no longer recognizable to 1993-1996 raw
The problem these days is that guys are too focused on having 5 star hour long matches instead of trying to draw a crowd. The biggest draws were hogan and Austin and neither one were ring general technical wrestlers but were larger than life characters who people bought into. There's a reason nobody is drawing money these days. WWE makes money from their merch and TV deals and sponsors etc.
Times have changed. Nobody buys a ticket to see one person. They buy a ticket to watch WWE for a full evening.
Like the other gentleman said nobody buys a ticket to see one person anymore. They go to watch WWE. WWE is drawing massive crowds & larger than ever gates.
The last 6 minutes of this video is a damning indictment of AEW.
Tony the Kid needs to take notes!!
11:32 sounds like he’s describing OVW’s attendance there.
@@chairmanoftheboredOVW was a developmental territory system, not an international promotion with network TV time
@@DementiaJester OVW is still going on, Snow is the head booker, and every indictment he made about a hypothetical wrestling promotion drawing 50 fans and losing 25 the next night is something his promotion is guilty of.
Have any of you guys gone back and watched attitude era WWF? It's mostly horrible bs then maybe 15 good mins of Rock/Austin/Vince. That era was good because you could flip back and forth between WCW, WWF, and MNF
The problem with wrestling now is everyone wants to be “the rock”Everyone wants his career path. WWE to these kids, is nothing more than a stepping stone.
@5:22 explains a lot about the downfall of professional wrestling in general if you think about it.
Oh sure, theres a ton of money being tossed between WWE and AEW today because of TV contracts and all, but everything else about the wrestling business has suffered because of those 4 years.
Well said. Once things got mainstream, it's natural for things to go down after that
So Paul Heyman created the Attitude era
11:54 "promoters are not philanthropic " lol now we have one who is. And his show is just people doing flips through broken glass for a handful of online losers while his ratings are barely a 3rd of WWE. Al was right all along.
The new owner of Ohio Valley Wrestling and the academy.
Is that so? Man, how long has he been there now?
@@Salesman Al mentioned it Last week with Dutch Mantell.
@@williammitchell4417 sorry I missed that, but I don't listen to wrestling podcasts anymore.
No one gives ECW or WCW credit. They were ahead of WWE in this regard.
You are right but WWE made it truly work. ECW and WCW was only able to capitalize for a very short time and they both lack vision. It have to suck to create something and the next guy do you better than you.
I love what als saying there.. why doesnt wwe run about 20 indie shows all over America, so that they can develop talent that learn to get over naturally... rather than have one or two routes of access and limited talent, they could grow future stars that already know how to get over before they even enter wwe prime time tv
3:58 "There were no big 3"
Sure when WCW was at it's peak ECW was nowhere close to WCW. But in 2000 ECW actually had some PPV's and Events that outdrew WCW. Yes ECW didn't have the money, production and global reach like WCW had, but when it comes to ticket sales, merchandise and PPV buys, ECW was in competition with WCW and actually beat them in some cases!
What year was this?
2011
He was profoundly wrong about the developmental stuff. Randy Orton, Cena, etc. I wonder if he’s ever said he was wrong.
Looks way older than 7 months ago lol
This vid is like from 2010 I believe
If it doesn't generate more income, how's a promoter supposed to continue running the show?
Have a billionaire daddy that lets you buy..... I mean sign new toys for you to play with.
bak when i kould understand AL.
This is before Al had chronic indigestion voice
@@BOBBYSOX86cancer
squared circle vs squared octogone
Being Huit in a squared octogone!!!
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fighting for a seat at the table vs having a seat at the table vs “having a seat at the table”
even at the top..! what good is a legacy if their is no place in history for it!
he was wrong about the wwe powerplant what is nxt
al got lucky
Mr lahey
He and Jake The Snake have the greatest brains for the business
Add Corny and Foley to that.
Before his throat cancer ruined his voice
He never had throat cancer!
His thoughts on WWE's performance center didn't age very well.
This was back when it was FCW, what they're doing now is what he said they should do, so he was right.
Don't you draw money by being famous?
Certainly. But nobody ever became famous just by "wanting it." Which was Al's point. It's hard enough to make it as a pro wrestler when you get into it just wanting to be a pro wrestler - which at least proves one's priorities are correct. If you try to break in with some broad vision of becoming famous and drawing money, you'll likely succeed at neither.
There are plenty of "famous" wrestlers who couldn't sell out an indie show that only sits 200 ppl. You don't wanna just be "famous", you wanna be a draw/needle mover
@@georgealvarez1195 If you are famous but draw nothing, you are totally screwed, because then you have the worst of both sides.
Yes but not all fame sells, people can grow tired of you & lose popularity.
@@IblewuponyourfaceIII k bro
Russo is a Damn Joke
What wrestlers want to be famous?
They just wanna wrestle to me and have best match
None of them can draw a dime
Don't know what or who Al is talking about here
Vince Russo > Jim Cornette 😊
Lol
In a strange way, yes lol
Must be Fentanyl
Common sense> delusion
All you have to do is look at what Russo booked to tell that's not true. Corny's ideas of wrestling can be a bit out of style at times sure, but Russo's ideas are just cringe to watch.
Cornette could book an entire promotion by himself. Russo sometimes had good ideas but most of them were garbage and he needed wrestling people to filter through them to make something out of it. That's part of why he was so bad after he left the WWE.
Ah yes, before Al became a professional contrarian.
the kevin nash gene of saying lots of things to seem smarter than the average
@@Harry-sc1xkbut everyone thinks Kevin Nash is cool cause he gets more pussy than everyone else.
@@Harry-sc1xk Not a fan?
ECW, ECW, ECW, ECW
Russo is a joke
I was watching wrestling when I was a teen. When I saw Vince Russo's wresting in the late 90s and early 2000s it made me quit watching.
Yeah same here although I didn't realize just how much of it was Russo. And to be fair not all of it was Russo that sucked. But. He. Definitely was a massive part of it.
So you preferred the new gen era?
There were 10 million people watching on a Monday night. I,ll take that over the crap they have today
@@johnnersinger9771Motherfucker, if it was *THAT* good, don’t you think it wouldn’t have changed _ONE DAMN BIT?_ It’s sad that you’re stuck in ‘97-‘99, watching a promo by someone who is booking a wrestling school now, and you’re getting a hard-on reminiscing about a time period that occurred 25yrs ago. Move on bro.
So you watch to follow trends or something?lol
Russo was garbage.
Nah
At what? Writing nar he was very creative
@@peterf08very creative. Maybe he should have written for a TV-show. Because he had no sense for wrestling.
@@jj-son4158 why did he get the highest ratings in wrestling history then?
@@peterf08 that is hardly from the sole efforts of vinny ru. Imagine having the biggest stars, best heels, studio level production backning you up and _the owner of the company_ holding the reins and holding your wacko bits back while the creative endeavour was done by _committe_ , sure. Even i would have made some choice wrestling at that point.
Ask youself: why has he failed so miserably _everywhere else_ that he's been?