A2 Motorcycles! Are they "enough"?
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- I see lots of people who seem down heartened at only being able to have a A2 but the question is, Is it really that bad?
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I'll soon be on an A2 bike, passed my theory this morning! 😊
Congrats!
Well done dude
Nice one 👍🏼
What do you want to get?
Cheers guys, and I wanna get a Ninja ZX-6R hopefully!
You're expected to ride at the same standard on an A2 test as the A (full) test the only difference is that you do the A2 on a less powerful bike.
I can't think of any situation you would use more than 48 bhp on the test.
A2 should automatically upgrade to the full licence after a year or two.
That was the law before 2013. Except it was 33bhp
The whole system falls apart when you can pass your A2 and not even sit on a bike for 2 years and then go and sit your full unrestricted test, in no way shape or form a better rider. I understand what they are trying with the category’s but the execution is poor
It annoys me that I have been driving for 5 years (I know that this is not very long compared to many people), completed my C1 which was 3 days of driving tuition and passed a blue light driving course for work (9-5 Monday to Friday over 4 weeks) yet I can only get the A2 licence because I am 22. Yet somebody who is a couple of years older with no experience what so ever can just do the DAS course and jump on whatever bike they like. I'm not saying that it is unfair but it certainly is not logical. Although the
I did my test on a 125cc and after 2 years of 33hp I had my full license. That was in 1997 did it on a Honda cb125rs
03:30 I love how how you just made fun of all the of people overreacting in those youtube vids. So accurate hahahaha.
It’s so true
Agreed A2 is more than enough power even for heavier bikes that are restricted. It just sucks that its yet another test to do to get to full A Licence. The most fun you can have on bikes is when you have lower bhp that way you can ride them properly and enjoy the roads without doing stupid speeds. Worst thing about most 1000+cc bikes is having to constantly keep your throttle down since 1mm twist is difference between 70 and 100 in almost any gear.
You right m8! After A2 you should not have to do another driving test for a bigger bike... that would be the right way
@@lb7304they do it for money
I have my full license and ride a CB500X
Awesome bike and more than enough power, decent acceleration, nice cruise and 80mpg
Can confirm the CB500X is an excellent bike! I did my mod 1 and 2 on this bike and had no issues with it :)
I have been riding since 1976 and had all sorts of bikes. Downsized to a 2019 cb500x and a 2019 cbr500r this year. No regrets, plenty fast enough for today’s traffic conditions . Great fun to use all of the power and cheap and reliable. More fun to ride a smaller bike fast.
I still love my 125 Varadero but a thousand miles in and I am already considering a big bore conversion. I am however too green to have anything bigger yet because I am still occasionally an inept danger to myself! Part of me (the diesel driver part mainly) does struggle with cruising at 9k revs😳😬😑. I love the 100mpg though as it makes going out for an entirely pointless evening drive guilt free! As a teenager on an SS50 the height of my ambition was a 250 superdream and I still reckoned it is enough for cruising.
Incidentally, I am really loving the camaraderie of the bike community with all the nods and waves! Proper heartwarming!
I've held a full licence for 18 years, and I choose to ride a cb500f. Great bike, fast enough to keep out of trouble and pretty agile too. Love it!
48hp is enough for everything except german Autobahn 😄
The thing with the indicator on the lower position is quite handy, you don't have to reach up so far. But it gets funny if you switch bikes with your mates, at every junction you hear a little beep behind you 😄
high speed on motorcycle is not only pointless but annoying by noise and wind.
i cant ride 120-130 more than few minute before wind noise bother me so much
Old comment, but this week I rode to Berlin and back on my CB500F, and it was fine on the Autobahn. I got up to 116mph, and was happily sitting in the overtaking lane most of the time. Just had to move in occasionally when something faster approached from behind. Not going to lie though, I've had the bike three weeks and am absolutely itching for more power.
Rode a 500f for 11k miles and loads of days out, never got left behind at all on rides out and really was a great lesson in how to ride a 'slow' bike quickly. Im actually really grateful for the lessons it taught me.
I’ve been riding nearly 20 years, my last bike was a Ducati 749, lovely bike and plenty fast enough but I just felt it was too much for todays roads, I changed it last year for a Ktm rc390, it’s much more fun, quick enough to get past most cars, I think bravado comes into it with bikers, got to have the biggest, baddest, latest bikes, a2 bikes are more than enough for me 👍🏻
I tried a 390 duke and I can say these A2 bikes are great. When I passed my test it was still 33bhp for 2 years. I got a GSX 600 f and that was super fun as it makes all the power up top in the rev range or you could plod along. I never felt the need to have more power. The problem is as you feel more comfortable with power you want more and more and a lot of people don't have the skill to match a 1000cc. With 125's and smaller bikes you can ride them on the limit which in my opinion is more fun. I no longer ride after a crash but have good memories and I constantly battle with the idea of getting back on.
It does beg the question, after 2 years on one of these why do you have to do another full test for the A license? Surely just an assessed 'competency' conversion ride should be sufficient!
I agree that's all it needs, half day one on one assessment for an upgrade is far more sensible.
@@spicy110 That's how it is here in ireland. I've already done my driving test with a A2 licence so I don't need to do it again for the A licence. I just need to do a progression module with a driving instructor.
I got myA2 right after they changed the laws on the 2 year auto unrestriction xD. But yeah makes more sense to do a progression test moving from A to A2, instead of Mod1 & Mod2 again. The main thing that'll probably be different is the handling and power delivery. Mod1 on it's own should show you're competent enough, so Mod2 sholdn't be needed.
I wish it was that way. I failed my test for my full license while I had my A2, the instructor said i failed I got my license back jumped on my 400cc to ride home. It's no wonder so many young lads are riding round with unrestricted bikes with the kind of tests they have put in place.
@1066Rider only problem with that is if you're 19 and want something a little more powerful than your 125, 5 years is quite the wait for unrestricted!
I have an A2 licence and for me personally it's not enough.
But saying that I have cbr500ra same bike in this video and I've been everywhere on it, and I absolutely love it. Leaves car drivers in the dust and even my friends who all ride bigger bikes love riding mine just because its fun and flickable
But yea the horn and indicator thing is stupid
460lb and 48bhp is roughly 220 - 230bhp per ton just to give you some idea that’s the same as a stock Focus RS bhp/ton
Soon runs out of top end though. Power 2 weight only gets you so far.
I think the restriction would be better at 60HP, still far away from a 220HP super sport, but enough where it's more comfortable long distance. The whole point of it, is to stop younger drivers from accessing crazy powerful bikes, yet young people who have the money can still buy a Lamborghini on a standard car license. But back to bikes, You still get idiot riders who do a fast track DAS in 3 days, buy a 1000cc and ride like an idiot. I think the age factor is less of a thing, maybe allow 21+ year olds to take a full license.
love the videos, decided to get a bike and put my deposit down on a 125, cant wait to get started
Awesome!
Props for 3:35 talk. Ive seen quite a few videos where bikers are almost seeking for opportunity to bash drivers. On the main topic, spot on!
I really loved throwing my KTM 390 Duke about, such a fun bike and that was coming from a hypernaked Ducati Streetfighter 1098 among other larger/faster bikes. It was perfectly capable of covering large distances and often did and handled better than a lot of more powerful bikes!
I've had my full license, and a 250cc, for years. I've gone to France and Scotland on it. I've done thousands of motorway miles. My bike has 23bhp. Nuff said.
awesome! I was hoping to do some longer treks on mine and was wondering how it would cope. glad to hear there's other people doing epic runs on little bikes :)
What bike is it 😊
The annoying part is that when i go to do my A licence is that im going to be taking the exact same test on the exact same bike which just has its throttle limiter turned off. the bike will behave no different than when i did my a2 and i will have learnt nothing new. the only difference will be at full throttle and if your using full throttle in your test your probably doing something wrong.
"If your using full throttle in your test your probably doing something wrong" HAHAHAHA Love it 😂
100 horsepower is the sweet spot in my experience, but anything above ~20 horses you could get by with just fine
I'd agree about 100 is the sweet spot enough power to do most things without being intimidating.
For the road 100 to 120 is ideal I think.
I have ridden loads of bikes up to 1200+cc and unless you are doing track days 150 plus horse power is just not as much fun.
It's human nature to want more though
Too much!
Before doing my A2 I was considering just waiting until I'm 24 and doing my A license but all my friends were selling their 125's and going for their tests so I thought I might as well. At first I was like well this is going to suck having a restrictor on a bigger bike but tbh it's more than enough power for me after being on a 125 for 4 years straight. Every time I go out my bike always makes me smile, has enough power to overtake, sit at legal speed limits without the bike sounding like a dying cat 😂 just everything about it makes it worth it, sure it's a pain having to do the same test once you move onto your A license but I personally think it's worth it. In a way I agree with the A2 because it's basically getting you use to the power and working your way up instead of just jumping straight on a bike that you probably cant even handle yet. So yeah the A2 is actually more than enough really, I'm happy with it.
I only have a A2 and don't really have a desire to do the full license I ride a royal Enfield bullet 500 a Honda cx500 and a Kawasaki gpx 250 all are great especially the Kawasaki it will still hit 100mph and I ride comfortably 2 up on all my bikes. And that horn thing reminds me of jumping on my bullet with the gear lever and rear brake swapped round 😂
Meh. Get bored with them very very quickly.
The bit I agree with is light bikes are more fun, but with loads of power!
48bhp ain’t enough to pull your helmet off
Guess it don't help that most roads don't allow you to even use the power of a A class bike. To much traffic, tight bends or the boys in blue.
Ive been riding around on my A2 cbr500r for 3 years put 30,000 miles on it (massively reduced mileage in the last 15 months as i got a job around the corner from home and got a car at the same time. And I certainly am in no rush to change bikes so im in no rush to upgrade my license A2 has plenty of acceleration and top end speed is enough and the amount of roads you can keep your license on testing top end speed is rapidly reducing anyway
7.15 Lotus Elan ?
Yes, Elan +2, the one with pop up headlights. Nice.
I've been riding around on an A2 licence for 4 years now and I'm not too pushed on upgrading because I've never felt I need more power.
However I will upgrade my licence before I get another bike so i don't have to worry about the power limit.
Please bring old intro back
I ride out in Norfolk. Everything here is connected by a roads and are spread out. There are no speed cameras on the a roads out here, so people often go 80+.
Me on my heavy lexmoto can barely go 55 for long times.
All I need is the ability to get to 70 mph which is why I say that maybe not cbt, but definitely mod 1 should allow 250cc
I have my theory test in 5 hours, and then if I pass I’ve got to fork up £600 for a2 training, not including the fees for the exams.
Mods should be automatic age and experience progression without exams, or optional examinations for getting onto larger cc earlier
I also agree with your opinion on 125's being all you "need". However, after the first day on my DAS course I realised what I was missing out on after jumping back on my Cbr125r. 🤦♂️
The cbr 500 r is a really nice bike but I still prefer my suzuki gs 500 e at 47.5 bhp it's a great ride short of long distance
I have the cb 500 f and recently did a 1000 mile trip and it happily kept up with traffic. cheers Spicy for a awesome vid
Just bought one myself can't wait to receive it and ride it
@@3nd0fgam3rs awesome enjoy, they are awesome. Be careful on the new tyre's 👍🏽
I think people worry about 48hp being a little amount because they're constantly comparing A2 bikes to R1s and so forth. In my opinion why do you need a bike or car that does more then 100mph? 80/90mph is enough for a safe overtake on the motorway.
I've been on a restricted license for almost 4 years now (partially because lessons here in Israel cost quite a bit and I'm in school), and have been riding an old GS500 for about 3 years and over 50K KM.
Honestly the only issues I have is that it's a bit cramped for my size (1.88m/6ft2), and chugs oil at high speeds because it's air cooled. Other than that? Enough power for everything I need, and I love the fact you can ride it to the redline on winding roads and still be in control of the bike, and not be scared every time you open the throttle a bit too much.
Took a CBR650 for a spin and that thing just felt so relaxed going 130 kph in 4th...man, how fast do you need to push this thing to have fun? In the city it feels like you're not utilizing a quarter of what the bike has to offer, going maybe to 2nd...and that bike has like 90 bhp, can't imagine what 150 bhp must feel like.
Commuter way enough, I have the MT-03 321cc and drove last year 10000mls with it no problems at all sometimes racing against GOLF GTI, GTE and S63s. Yes I do have a full A licence
As somebody in the US, A2 sounds like it's enough, 50hp is enough. The sportster 883 (one of HD's best selling bikes) only makes about 50hp, and people ride those all over the US, which is much more spread out and hwy intensive than the UK, and they do it without issues. A guy at my previous job put 125k on his 883. So yeah, they are definitely enough. They're not "get yourself in lots of trouble" kind of power, but they're enough power to keep up with traffic FOR SURE and enough to have fun with in the canyons and what-not.
I think most people’s beef with the A2 is that you have to do exactly the same test again to qualify to ride a more powerful bike whereas you mentioned you pass your car test and you can drive what you like.
Yep your quite right but the fact it is the rules atm and it's a shame these bikes are looked down on by some for the wrong reason.
Most A2 Bikes if you really care about being a speed freak so much will squash the standard in speed and agility. Problem is no matter how powerful the bike is the Laws of the road stay the same and Traffic still exists. Iv'e seen a few wanna be racer boys wreck 1000cc bikes because they cared only about speed and thought it would help them on the traffic packed roads. I would Say ride into your own ability with the bike powerful and Licence. But full A class bikes do not thrive well in the modern day traffic.
Don't get me wrong the government's retest for a full licence is just to scam money out of people, because if it really was just about safety they would just offer a cheaper course where for a day or two even a week you are taught about the A class and how to handle it kind of like a CBT lesson but for the biggest bikes. But instead they want to charge you twice for two tests each with the chance of failure.
People who moan they can't go fast enough on there A2 bikes annoy me sometimes because you have to wonder why they want that speed, i mean the speed limit is 70 and A2 hit that fairly easily plus extra for overtaking and evasive manoeuvres. Most people who moan about the A2 only seem to care about Speed i tend to found which as i said troubles me.
Although I have a full licence I ride a Kawasaki gpz 500s. I just don't need the hassle of a bigger bike & at the end of the day the max speed limit in this country is 70.....
Love pushing my ninja 300 it's so much more rewarding when you work for the power, although next year I will deffo be doing my A test
Currently on an A1 Yamaha YZF-R125 15hp - so from my perspective it will be quite the upgrade next year!
glad to see someone else with a small sportsbike lol, i currently have a two-stroke derbi gpr125. you have any plans for what you might be getting for a2?
@@thevideogamer0mg99 I bet that GPR125 goes like stink! Looking at a Ninja 400 or KTM RC390 - depends on what financial situation I'm in at the time as I'm going to University.
You must wish you had more power on a steep hill sometimes. Or when there's a strong headwind?
"We're going to make the brake lever the clutch and the clutch lever the brake"...... Welcome to the 1970's Morini 3 1/2!!
I wanted/ needed a big adventure bike, so no, A2 wasn't enough for me.
XT660Z should tick that box. Perfect for what it is.
Tiger 800 can be restricted
Want and need are two different things, But are the local roads near you functional for such a bike, i don't want to squash anyone's fun or dreams but it is sadly something you got to take into account.
People always want more. Grass is greener and such. I have a YBR125 which cruises at 40-60mph, depending wind direction and incline/decline. I always say "wish I had something that would cruise at 80, i'd be set" but I know that like everyone else the honeymoon period will wear off and I'll seek something more powerful. Happened a month after I got my scooter and then shortly after I upgraded to the YBR.
My resolution? Just be happy with what you've got, life is a lot better with the bike you got than without one.
I couldn't agree with you more, you're very sensible.
I'm an older guy and only did the A1 in 2016.
I started doing part time Deliveroo in 2018, year or to later I added Uber and JE.
I've ridden 80,000 + miles over a primavera and SH125i.
Few weeks ago I did my A2 cause I didn't want to redo the theory test and the rules didn't allow me to go to A, which I think is pathetic.
The examiner said I ride really well.
I'd like to be a part time bike courier which I think would still require an A licence, even though I think the CB500x or a limited NC750x would do a great job.
I think A2 to A should be an automatic upgrade based on riding experience.
This has been discussed, perhaps you should consider starting a petition.
If your subs sign and you get other channels involved it could happen.
I just got my 1200 back on the road yesterday after a year of riding my 125 exclusively..... And it's TOO powerful, I mean I love it, and I'm keeping it, but for everyday its just a bit much. I'd love a 5-700cc bike for the everyday stuff plus a bit of fun.
I've got an 26 year old K1100LT, having 100hp. It's perfect. I guess most of the time I'm using less than half of the power it's still got.
I've also got an 600cc Bandit, not an A2 bike but can easily be restricted, for its price bucket it's got Ferrari beating power and 0-60 stats, and it can get me from 0 to "you're banned for a year" speeds within 20 seconds or less.
I've also got an XTZ660, which is max 48hp, and it can go anywhere, its power is exactly where you want it to be.
Power is overrated. How you ride is what matters...
I hold a full A & I have a CB500F, I chose an A2 bike for myself because I agree it is enough but that's more to do with me being child sized than power related 😁
i really wanted the A .. but again im only after 0-100 km/h, good sound and great looking bike. riding a GS500F atm but my next bike gonna be a ninja 650 (48hp) or the honda 650 CBR (48hp)
Only reason i dont wanna do the last test is because IF i fail for some stupid reason then its expensive AF to do again.. haha
another one here - A-license in the bag (#nofaultsgang) but still enjoying the #R125life for the moment :)
I have a 'restricted' 99' SV650 ;) Only pay £270 a year for insurance atm and I'm 20. I find the whole A license stupid if you've done the A2. When I did my A2, the people were doing their full A license with me, on the exact same bike, an MT07, but unrestricted. On those bikes, the restriction is only really there at the top end anyways, so there's pretty much no difference.
everything is relative :
i use to have a 1986 ford fiesta 1000cc 32 hp i use to pull my loaded trailer(450kg) with it.
honda cb500 ways in at a quarter(or less) of the fiesta with 30 % more power plus the aerodynamics advantages of a motorcycle(with fairings)
and less friction with only two wheels in contact with the road .
i think that a 48hp motorcycle is a pretty fast machine but if one is use to pulling trailers with there 911 turbo porsche's okay then mayby not so much :)
To answer this properly...
No an A2 bike is not enough and can’t possibly be...let me explain.
Now try to understand I’m not knocking them if that’s your choice, but these are my thoughts..
The vast majority of motorcyclists these day ride for pleasure rather than because they have to (yes for some it’s their only transport...but for the majority it’s pleasure)
Now for the majority of those...(this is gonna get confusing) it’s not just a pleasure, it’s an absolute passion, it’s a drug it’s the be all and end all, it’s what you live for...it consumes you.
And when you have that passion the equivalent of a Ford Fiesta is not going to cut it....A2 bikes are built to a budget...it’s not like the old days when you got the absolute best available shoe horned into a 400 (NC30) they have lower spec components and perform at the mediocre range of the spectrum...you say they are quick enough. Yes compared to Fiesta or Corsa...but In the bike world they are slooooooooow.
Now it’s not all about speed it’s about what you want out of bikes..if it’s pure hedonism you want it’s maybe a 90’s 2t 250...if it’s raw torque and earth shattering rumble maybe a Harley or Triumph Rocket, if you want to climb mountains a Super Ten or a GS or a KTM, if you wanna throw yourself high I to the air a full on MX bike
If you wanna revel in nostalgia any one of the retro rides available.
And if you want the most sublime handling and amazing power delivery and pure involvement of a bike then it’s anyone of the sports reps available (which will absolutely positively and completely shit on an A2 bike)
Now before you say it’s not all about speed ..a Honda Grom or a C90 or a Vespa has more soul in its wheel nuts than a cbr500 has in its entirety.
So to recap.. yes an A2 bike does the Job it’s enough to get you buy.
Much in the same way a pair of beige Corduroy trousers and comfy cardigan well get you through the day...
But if you want something that is truly gonna set your pubes on fire then you have to find what your passion is and revel in it and not just accept something that is “enough to do the job”
Here's a question. How many people with A licences ride A2 bikes? It's all about ego really. In the same way people buy mobile phones,TVs,(you name it), that have features they don't actually need because they feel compelled to buy the best tech they can (just about) afford. Now we are fast approaching the situation where most bikes have bigger engines than most cars! And yes I have a 1000 +cc bike, so I'm a sad f- -k too!
I spend most of my time enjoying the countryside and on narrow lanes, and have comfortably done 200 miles in the day on my 125. At times a bit more power would be good, but anything with a bigger displacement isn't really going to do much for me personally, and i can live with my 60mph tops on bigger roads, so i suppose it's' horses for courses, but would generally agree that no matter what your scenario, the performance of A2 bikes covers the majority of needs, but ATM we have choice, so if you want a big bike and have the money, why not? we don't yet quite live in a society where the government dictates what we can and can't ride, at least not until they have the power to limit our electricity and rip the petrol pump outta our cold dead fingers.
I think the A1 and A2 and all that are not well thought out. It's either an outright displacement restriction, or an arbitrary HP restriction. HP means just about nothing. It torque over time. It's that torque that will get you into trouble. And, also, the heavier a bike, the more torque and power it needs to get it to do the same thing a lighter bike will do. Therefore, for BOTH A1 and A2, it should be some form of torque to weight ratio. Probably something like a 400lb curb weight bike can only make 30 lb-ft of torque for A2.
A2 is good enough on urban roads, you miss the extra power on the freeway once you go beyond 130-140 km/h (80-90 mph) compared to faster cars. Everyone should start on A2 just to learn how to ride.
A2 is all you need to travel on any UK road system, it has the speed for the Motorway and the speed to overtake traffic like trucks without to much risk. If driven well they can be very funny. I don't want to be that guy but i would even say Full A class bikes are to powerful for the modern day roads and traffic, there really only functional for long open roads like the USA highway or Autobahn In Germany. and the track days. there to powerful for Every day UK travel a shame but well the same could be said for the powerful sports cars.
Anyone who complains about bike power can't ride or is just an idiot. The max speed you will ever need to go is around 80mph. A 125 can do 80mph so yh.
I was seduced by the thought of new 125 hp model and sophisticated touring potential. Then I realised that for most rides near home a modest 34 hp A2 was more fun, half the weight, a third to insure and a quarter of the price!
Anyhow, while lucky enough to have my cake and eat it owning both bikes, it's brought it home to me that it really is 'horses for courses'. So, don't fall for a least 3 of the deadly sins: envy, greed and lust...
Go for a 300 scooter. u can store 2 full size crash helmets under. You will get around 80mpg. You can go upto 90mph. Sorted.
It's the most pointless progressive testing the EU could of installed. When I was doing my final test at 21 to ride an unlimited bike I failed at first due to me putting a foot down on the figure of 8 which can on only be performed on a set style of motorbike and doesn't contribute to normal real world riding, by me failing this it should mean I am a hazzard on the road but I am still given back my pink license and I jump back on my CB400 and ride home. I dont get how they come up with such madness and justify it.
I've been all over the lake district and yorkshire with my 125, because I don't need motorways to get to those places. An A2 bike would be more than enough for me, because I'm guessing you still get much better fuel economy than the average car.
My CRF250 tops out at about 85mph, plenty enough for any road type without any issue
The main difference between A2 and A IMO is your ability to overtake and haul yourself out of bad situations. Obvious A2 is worse at those things. If that doesn't matter and you'll be happy to sit behind slow traffic at times then A2 is totally fine. It's funny, the restrictions are to make riders safer, and yeah it stops a new rider putting a litre bike in a wall, but A1 and to an extent A2 bikes are just naturally less safe than unrestricted bikes. They have lesser ability to avoid dangers, and A1 bikes are affected by adverse weather far more.
Must be expensive and frustrating for young riders, from what I've gathered the A2 is the same tests as A (and so is A1 but is done on a 125), spend all that money 21-24 getting an A2 then spend it all again doing A tests 24 + though you shouldn't need as many lessons.
Full licence 30 years, 1290R Superduke, most fun excluding sex!
My girlfriend was looking at the cbr500r and the ninja 650 the honda is cheaper but not by much and at least she can grow into the 650. The weight difference is nothing. The ninja could stil be restricted to make it A2
mayby car drivers should have a another license if one wants cars with more then 250-300 hp , i'm not that glad thinking of peeps can get a lambo with 6-700 hp the day they pass the test , it seems not thought through to me
what do u guys and girls think??
i think the MT-07 is the perfect bike, yes bit pricey for an A2 bike (but so is £4500 for a brand new yzf125!!, and i can get a second hand MT-07 for £5000 with 4000 miles) but once have A2 for 2 years, you can go for full licnese then take restriction off, then you already have an A bike. Its a 2 in 1 bike
Yes the MT was designed very well with that in mind I have no doubt. I still need to get my ass on one.
@@spicy110 yeah exactly lol, i done CBT last month, i currently own an LXR 125 after watching your video, my plan is to ride the LXR for couple years (till my insurance goes cheaper as if i got the MT now i would be paying 5x my insurance now lol) then the MT would be my second and final bike i own, plus if i pass A test i get to ride my dads superduke so i dont need a faster bike than MT lol. I just need a bike that can handle motorway with ease, overtake easy, not weak but not too powerful that i have to be delicate with throttle and all that. would be cool if you can do a review on the MT if you havent already.
@@user-pl6hy3km6s ive got an MT 07 mate engine wise it's great all you need really but mine aint restricted as i got A licence so dunno what its like restricted
Demolition playa
you can also get a CB500f FOR £4000 WITH 4000 miles too and i've got an MT07 on a full licence but sometimes feel like i'm paying extra tax insurance and more on fuel for no reason
I have a honda cb 500f as a second bike and have done 10k miles in a year, in the real world i have to agree it is enough and great fun, however on sunny sunday morning the cb1000r comes out to play....
Its not enough if you want to ride a dual sport or enduro bike i think the only bike you could ride is an exc150 tpi or husqvarna te150i and even still i think they still arent within the power to weight ratio so. You can ride a crf450l though but that because they are restricted down to 18bhp or something like that due to european emissions. I think its a pisstake
I am 40 years old been a dream to ride a motorbike since a kid but all though confident in my own ability to be cautious always been put off by the fact I could be killed by almost anything else on the road. But now I am just going to go for it and agree pretty much an A2 is good enough for me but at the same time the cost of the A2 I may as well just go for full license and then not have to worry about every time i feel I want to buy a bike and checking if i can legally ride it or not.
New riders who complain that A2 isn't enough aren't ready for an A2 bike yet.
My cbr500r does 116 mph - more than enough for the motorway, I think!!
You lose your license at 100 mph so yes you can lose you license _ the 400 ninja will do 122, not really learner bikes that can do that!
I’m getting a CBR650R with the restricted kit on next year but it takes the piss that what 6 months later when I’m 24 I have to pay to do it again. It’s not that oh I can’t go above 120mph it the fact that it’s 6 months wait to take it off and that it isn’t cheep.
A2 is fine, can hold your own on the motorway, full access is fine if you want something specific for the track or riding to Mongolia but how many of us are realistically actually into that?
It’s enough until u try a 1000 hahha but definitely it’s enough
would you say the a2 is fun for backroads on a weekend, im a petrol head and massively into cars and have a few mates who are into bikes so im considering getting the licence for back roads with them, wouldn't be doing lots of miles as i have 2 cars and one of them is used daily, im 19 so i cant go straight to the a1 licence but again im not sure if i would need it to have fun safley
I own a bandit 1200 and it's too much power for UK roads I like the little bikes more fun in my eyes won't lose ya licence that easy
I think we should be able to take a single test but choose what category bike to do it on (A1, A2, or A) and be restricted to the category bike you passed the test on, then you should be able to do a CBT style test on a bigger bike to upgrade to a higher category to prove you can handle the bigger bike. I think that would be ideal because riders should be able to progress power in their own time, not what the government thinks is suitable, because we all learn at different rates than others
To be honest with you im just looking forward to being on something bigger than my 125. I dont give a shit about the power restriction l o l
Thanks for reminding me I only have 6 points for the next two year's 👍
Also, the indicator is in the right place on that bike, it's in the wrong place on everything else
I’m after doing my test but want a cruiser but I don’t think there are many cruisers that fit in that a2 bracket does anyone know any? Thanks
I've got a KTM Duke 390 and the difference from a 125 is immense. The power is plentyful, but I still want more... :)
I think enough is hard to quantify. I agree What is enough for one person may not be enough for others. An A2 bike is enough for bimbling and commuting on and exploring at the weekend. However if your say riding a lot with a pillion or touring with camping kit then no I would say it may not be enough. Its doable as many have proved but It’s nice to have to bit more on tap if your fully laden. Personally I find 650cc enough for me. My last four bikes have been 650’s. I’ve ridden more powerful bikes but I prefer 650’s. They have enough power for overtaking while two up or fully laden.
I actually prefer the indicator switch position on Honda's, I can indicate while controlling the clutch a lot easier
is it common to find an A2 bike with over 50,000 mileage ?
a2 for a 40+ man is enough? I'm short and thin, dont wanna deal with heavy bikes, 500 cc is even too much:) the question is - is it easier to pass the test on lighter bike? the exams are difficult in my country 😢😢
They have made adjustments to the curb weitgh laws for the A2 so lighter bikes can be used but its not a lot lighter. However, they often use the same bike for A2 and A they just restrict them for A2s
Got my A2 test(s) booked for the 15th! Pumped to get a bike soon after that, though I'll probably stick to a 125 or 250cc for the fuel economy.
Good luck! Sure you'll smash it!
@@jammiep96 Thanks :D, hopefully not the bike!
The fuel economy can be worse on a smaller engine if you need to max the power out more. I used to ride with a 125cc I was on the 250cc the 125 was flat out most of the time and the 250 had no trouble keeping up and used less fuel.
@@chrishart8548 Fair enough. 1 year later and I've been on a 125, fuel economy was pretty decent. Worked out to about 3L/100km which isn't bad since I was always starting and stopping in town, and definitely wasn't light on the throttle haha.
Sadly it got written off in July when someone rear ended me :(
@@angrykidplays1587 the worst thing about a 125 is on a windy day you can get blown off the road completely.
I'm a returning rider so didn't need to buy an 'a2' _ I just thought it was enough!
*cries in 12hp 125*
It just depends what you get used to. Get on bigger bikes with more corner stability, better suspension, better brakes, more power as and when required and you’ll never go back to a small bike. But that all depends on the quality of the bigger bike you try. There’s a fair few duds out there in the big bike category. But yes A2 in terms of power is probably just about enough. But A2 in terms of quality of bike and stability then no it’s not. Personally I say around 100bhp is the ideal power for a road bike but that’s because my bike is 120bhp and I can’t imagine why you would want much less. As I said it’s what you get used to.
I'll be happy with a 125 supermoto
I have a problem, I was originally interested to purchase a CBR 500R because it falls into the A2 category, but after asking a few dealers about it, most of those I approached now only have 650's. But they said it could still fall into the A2 category if the power output is tuned down. What does that mean? Im worried that theyre only interested in making a sale, and I wouldnt want to get into trouble due to my license restriction...
Basically it is restricted to the A2 power output. In the old days it was a mechanical part or throttle stop. (basically stops full throttle) these days the brains of the engine the ECU is reprogrammed to only procure the allowed power. The bike will be tested and issued with a bit of paper to say its A2 legal now. The benefit to this is later down the road if you get your full licence you can get it unrestricted again and have the full power.
@@spicy110 Thank you!
Im tempted just to do the A2 test, as I only ever feel like trundling around on a 300cc, or under 47hp bike anyway. The roads arent fast enough for anything more, and i wont track day. The new A2 test allows 250cc which im used to (big 125) so it would be even easier to pass
You could...but, if you are over 24 I would just do the A. It's the same tests at the same cost on the same bikes (pretty much on the test you would never feel the power difference) Not many schools will have 250cc bikes for training yet. Add on I believe insurance would be cheaper on a full licence I really do not know a good reason not to do the full A. Clearly up to you what you do just saying I wouldn't limit myself for no reason. Good luck what ever way you go 🙂👍
I've had an Hyundai Coupe, and a Kia Sportage, and they've switched the wipers and indicator stalks over. So when you first start driving, you turn right, flick on what is normally the indicator and your dry wipers start to get pulled across the screen. Worst still, becaues the flash is on the wrong side, when you want to flash someone you just end up squirting the window, then indicating right as you try to clear them. lol.
Personally I have a SV650s 2008 under an A2 license.
72 bhp
I haven’t restricted it but I feel restricting it makes it feel like a target to max it out.
Not restricting it, I respect it a hell of a lot more.
Does anyone know anything about the KTM RC 390? Because I've heard it has problems stalling at low revs.
I bet that is because it's a big single. Most people who come from sport bikes and ride my DRZ 440 also stall it a few times. Just have to get the feel for it.