The Complicated Legacy of the Pacer
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- The Pacer: Britain's most hated train and bane of travellers up and down the country for a matter of decades. So, having finally retired from the rails in 2021 about 20 years too late, why on Earth has one of these rickety, ramshackle Pacer trains been preserved in the collection of the National Railway Museum?
Join us on a visit to Locomotion in Shildon to find out.
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Class 101s at Thornaby by Phil Richards: commons.wikime...
Class 142 BR 2 tone at Preston by K. Krallis: en.wikipedia.o...
Class 142 Arriva Wales by Motacilla: en.wikipedia.o...
Class 143 at Dawlish by Geof Sheppard: en.wikipedia.o...
Class 144 at Leeds by Peter Skuce: en.wikipedia.o...
Pacer interior by Smiley.toerist: en.wikipedia.o...
141113 standing at Swanwick shed by Hgt:
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Railbus LEV1 at Weybourne Station by Mark Harrington:
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RB004 at the Telford Steam Railway by WaltTFB:
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Tyne and Wear PTE Pacer by Graeme9022:
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First Great Western at Bristol Temple Meads by Hugh Llewelyn:
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Footage of the Platform 1 Pacer at Huddersfield taken from Twitter. Rights Department for Transport / Northern Rail, used for comment under fair use.
Ah yes the pacers, a succesfull diesel train that everyone hated
Edit how did i get 100 likes
Not everyone hates them I loved traveling on them in the valley lines for many years hard working reliable old machines
Not everybody hated them
@@hellfiregrowler note that i said hated istead of hates
I love them! When I lived in Yorkshire I used to go on them especially.
They were symbolic of the North South divide. I moved to Sheffield from Oxford. Down South, we had 165s, and in Sheffield, we had Pacers. Old, creaky, cold and just an uncomfortable ride. The North gets screwed all the time. Just look at HS2....
Not only was it a cheaper solution, but it also worked for British Leyland. Because they faced a decreased demand for their buses, while at the same time there was a spike for new trains. Put the two together, and you get an evil plan in the making
This made me laugh for some reason
Germany, 1950s: "Let's just put a bus on rails, should be much cheaper!"
Germany, 1980s: "OK, let's never do that again."
Britain, 1980s: "Thomas wished he could see such bullshit for himself."
Difference is that Germans liked theirs where your country hated theirs
Italy, 1930s: "ahahah propaganda trains goes CHRHSGHGHSHERHS"
@@nicopavvi8494 britain: AHHAAHAHAH class 142 go EEEEEEEEEEEEEE
The german ones where loved by the commuters
They were bouncy, uncomfortable, broke down, stank of diesel fumes, screeched like banshees, had the build quality of a shed and were loud as heck but man, I love these silly machines! I grew up with them (and the much better Sprinters) and rode hundreds of miles from Pontypridd to Cardiff and Barry Island to Tredegar. They were absolutely dreadful but I'd never have it any other way! :D
Think you mean rhymney tredegar has . not had a rail service since around the early 60 s
I remember being disappointed when a pacer would turn up at Dingle Road instead of a Sprinter. Still, they should be preserved for all their quirkiness.
What was the history of the Pacers on the Valley Lines? I used to commute from Porth to Cardiff to school from 1981 to 1988. Most of this was on the old slam door DMUs which were perfect for the job, having a door for every seat row. Towards the end of my time they brought in Sprinters but these were woefully inadequate for rush hour services with their doors at the end of the carriages, so they reintroduced the old DMUs just for the rush hour services. And that's where I left it. What happened to the Sprinters? Are they still running? When were Pacers introduced? What do they have running now?
@@paulsengupta971 the old slam door units finally departed the valleys around 91 and were replaced by the 142/3 Pacers that operated the valleys services until may last year the 150 sprinters are still used along with the 769 units on the rhymney line converted 319 electric units to diesel power all due to change soon with new trains entering service in the valleys
@@andrewbutler6477 Thank you! Do you know how many of each they had and have now?
My take on the pacers is that they were a stroke of genius that was let down by laziness / lack of future investment.
For their intended purpose? The pacers were perfect! And there's alot of rural branch lines still operating today that have the pacers and their cheap, quick construction to thank.
Where things went wrong is that a train designed and built to be cheap and easy to run on quiet, slow branch lines where kept in service long after their intended design life and increasingly used on busy commuter routes (around Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool and Cardiff for example).
I appreciate what they achieved in protecting the quieter branches they were designed for - but I do still have nothing but sympathy for the poor commuters across the North and Wales who were crammed onto them on busy commuter services they were never designed to operate on.
But that has nothing to do with the Pacer but more for the greedy private companies who kept them in service far long than what they were designed for and on services that they should never have been used on
The pacer is just as much a part of rail history as flying Scotsman they have over 35 years service in Wales and North West England they saved many a railway line in fact they were one of the most reliable trains in the UK and I actually travelled on the last day of service in the Cardiff area they were a tribute to the builders of the Pacers that they lasted so long good old trains that served the railways for so many years the awesome old pacer train
at the time money was so tight it was either the Pacer, or keep the old units clanking along, or nothing. it was a cheap solution that allowed rural rail to limp on for a while longer til something better came up. I remember them being used on the ECML during electrification and flat out on good straightish track they weren't all that bad. They were chronic on anything with a bend in it, and unfortunately a lot of rural lines were like that
No they are not. The were a horrific form of ‘transport’ that you wouldn’t even find in most developing countries. We should never have settled for them in the 80s. Unfortunately train spotters fantasise over them so much they don’t realise what they were like to use as an everyday commuter. They won’t be missed.
Could this video include a video of a ride in a Pacer without music and with the engine sound and the sounds of the wheels on the rails as the train accelerates from a standstill to 75mph on track with bolted joints?
The Pacers weren't cheap and never saved branch lines from closure.
biggest problem with the pacer, the sprinter came along and showed how shoddy it was
Pacers and Sprinters entered service around the same time?
@@RBXTrains if anything that makes it worse
@@RBXTrains - They did, broadly. But Sprinters were produced for more mainline regional services, and the cheap Pacers were developed to cover branchline operations. They never completed; the Sprinters were operated on profitable routes that justified their cost. Sprinters could/would never have been justified on quiter and branch routes, and so the Pacers filled that gap.
And sprinters are just as bad imo
They are still running on my line in the North and they are horrible
Sprinters aren’t great either, not compared to CAFs or Nova’s that have replaced them
Our local heritage group The East Kent Railway has a 142 Pacer. We never had them in their heyday here in Kent but I've got a feeling that it'll become a real favourite trundling up and down the line between Shepherdswell and Eythorne. Nice video sir, putting forward a convincing case for the Pacer at the National museum. Well done.
Thanks! I definitely agree - I think they're going to be very popular on heritage lines.
@@edificity GWR have donated one to the heritage railway at Plymouth too 🙂
The last class 121 was retired only a few years ago
It is part of the history of the railways, and museums should record and preserve all of the history, not just the good bits.
My favourite train of all time is good old Czechoslovakian class 810. It´s basicly pacer of central Europe, oroginaly powered by bus engine. They are still in service, most of them modified including rebuilds like RegioNova.
Oh wow, that is almost exactly the same, in both concept and execution.
@@Nimmo1492 design of them Is way less bus like.
I live in a small village in the north west. For decades, the 142 pacer formed the backbone of almost all train services around me. Over time, the lines they ran started to fade, as the main line between the two cities between me (I’m on the secondary line) was electrified in 2015, but my line didn’t, and still doesn’t to this day, have any, so they pressed on.
In 2019, just days before Christmas, I had my last ever ride on a 142, on the packed last train of the day calling at all stations, in a 6 coach convoy with a 150 unit and a 156 unit trailing behind, without me ever knowing it would be. The events of 2020 saw them be removed from my local line, however, they still operated a small branch line in multiple with 150 units, throughout the pandemic - When in November 2020, in the middle of another lockdown, the last one ran, with me unable to ride it, due to restrictions from leaving my county, however, I did throw in a mask, and go say goodbye.
As you mentioned, the 143 carried on, and just a few days before it’s withdrawal, I decided to go all the way to the Cardiff valleys, and say goodbye to those too. I had only ever ridden a 144 pacer once as well, so, truly, the 142 pacer was my childhood. The bouncy nature of them, was just so fun. The rattles, squeaks, and bumps, just remind me of a better time in the railways of the UK for me personally, because now, it’s uncharacteristic trains that run my services instead, that arguably are more uncomfortable then the pacers ever will be. For me, the pacers never were bad, they were incredibly cool.
Thank you for such a lovely video.
At the end of the day, the Pacer is part of British heritage. Whether the Brits like it or not, it's their history (especially being the birthplace of rail; history has its ups and downs and rail history is no exception) and like you said, it did its job for lines that would've otherwise be given the Beeching treatment. That being said, our national railway system is far better lol, at least we know better than to put the body of a bus on top of a freight chassis.
I think the Pacers should be celebrated. They saved so many lines at a time when the Government was thinking of Beeching Mk2. Anyone remember the Serpell Report? It's the only report I know to measure passengers in tonnes but of course used that to set out options for cutbacks. (For example, the Valley Lines would be cut back to Pontypridd and Caerffili) But, the abject stupidity of the design was shown up when the original Leyland engine and the mechanical SCG gearbox was replaced in all of them by a Cummins rail engine and a Voith hydraulic transmission (same as the Sprinters). And the doors were replaced as they were a safety hazard. And then there was the installation of a fire suppression system. When you add all that up, they were no cheaper than a Sprinter (which was designed with a single car version but never built). Later of course the Class 153 did exactly that. So let's remember them as a saviour of the railways, at a time when railways weren't in vogue. After all the upgrades, including better seating, they weren't as bad as some people say, certainly for relatively short distance commuter services. (Yes I rode them regularly on my journey to work.)
Conclusion: train belongs in museum
Why does it deserve a place in the National Railway Museum? As a warning to future generations, obviously.
Excellent video. Many thanks.
I for one however, have NOTHING but praise for a vehicle that was borne out of necessity, did it's job admirably (the only class of train I was on that NEVER broke down), for FAR, FAR longer than was ever anticipated and probably saved more branch lines from closure than any single class of train before or since.
In my experience, they only ever rode badly on jointed track, not welded and were incredibly reliable and cost effective.
They were simply a victim of massive underinvestment in the railways, undertaken by both main colours of party by the way, that were forced to continue far past their intended life span, over which normally, such shortcomings that it did have, would have been dissipated by their soon to arrive replacements, that of course, unfortunately never came.
Technology and quite rightly, disability legislation, moved on far more quickly and forcefully, aided by certain media, that then picked up the "pacers are crap old and not disabled friendly" torch to sell papers and so after that, the Pacers were, to some degree, I feel a bit unfairly, then basically "doomed."
I'm glad they have quite rightly been preserved in such numbers as they can carry on keeping heritage lines open by providing a cheap mid week or out of season service, similarly to what they did when in network service.
I miss them a lot and talking even after only a year or so from their demise, to people who really didn't like them much, I have already heard a few saying they'd actually quite like to see and ride on one again.
The human psyche is very complicated.
Everyone hated the Austin Allegro, but I bet if you saw on one the road, most people would say.. "Oh wow..look..an Allegro".
I think we will come to regret seeing them.off the network and their popularity on heritage lines seems to bear this out.
I for one will definitely be going to Locomotion and patting 142 001 fondly on the buffers.
Good old friend 142.
There is a kind of large rail junction around a mile and a half from my house. You could always tell when a pacer was being directed through it. The screaming could be heard for miles and the loud engines being powered up to for the hill just after it. kinda miss it lol
As much as I hated every time a Pacer stumbled into view when getting on trains as a teen/adult, at the very least I can appreciate that their awful ride quality gave some fun memories messing around in the bendy bit in the middle on the way too and from Blackpool as a kid.
If you have any other feeling than that of hatred for these abominations, you've never had to suffer them day in and day out. I did. As did tens of thousands in Manchester, even over the last two decades when all other services around Greater Manchester were given much better carriages. F*&k the pacer. The amount of times I was either late for work or hours late home from work (one time I was 4 hours late because of one of these bloody things. It makes me unreasonably angry just seeing one. Good video though lol
I remember Northern Rail putting a Pacer in service from Manchester Piccadilly to Chester via Stockport in the middle of Winter when it was freezing and the heating system was not working.
Oh yeah, in my experience the heating on those only worked in August. And couldn't be shut off.
The problem with the pacers was the hideous ride quality. The older DMUs from the late 50s early 60s were so much better. You had a great view forward and to the sides. Seating was comfy and the ride quality was excellent. Slam doors were OK back then, but we seem to not like them now.
When i lived in Leeds i visited a friend in Glasgow. The ride from Leeds -Settle-Carlisle was on a Pacer (a 143 if i remember right). It was awful, it was very noisy, draughty, not a nice ride at all. From Carlisle i got on a Virgin Trains Intercity 125 (Class 43?) with Mk 4 coaches........it was heaven! compared to the pacer! :)
But from what I know, passengers were relieved at first when pacers/sprinters were introduced because the old DMUs were so unreliable, making the service completely unreliable .
when i was a wee lad, i would often go to see family and friends along the barrow-carlisle line, and i LOVED the pacers because of how they shook and jostled on the rural branch lines. There was one pacer i loved because it had a gap between two of the carriages, and water would collect on the roof gutters when it was raining, and every time the brakes came on, all of the water would come rushing forwards and fall through the gap, and i would get the train at rush hour just to watch someone get soaked every time
Pacers make the Push Pull units of 1970’s to mid 1980’s look good.
@@thomashambly3718 144011 has found a happy retirement home at the Keighley & Worth Valley Railway in Yorkshire, along with many other old DMUs such as the 101 & the 108 . They even have web cams along the line so you can watch 'em. 🙂
I rode these daily for several years, totaling thousands of miles commuting to Leeds on the Aire Valley line. On good track, the ride was perfectly adequate. The bus bench seats enabled more seats which was useful on a busy commuter service. Side seats folded up to accommodate bikes etc. And opening windows actually meant genuine fresh air. And I never experienced a breakdown that the crew couldn't fix. They did what they needed to do, I have fond memories of them & they served me personally very well.
Stop gap measures have never really worked in this country, as they are just used as an excuse to not do the thing that actually needs doing. The Pacers stopped the widespread use of better trains, and the HST killed off or slowed down most electrification projects.
i mean all the diesel engines slowed down the electrification projects because they were called in due to budget cuts.
That includes alot of shit designs that didn't work at all.
Why is there a Pacer in the National Railway Museum? _Because those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it_
Nothing is as permanent, as a temporary stopgap...
Comuted in and out of Manchester for years on 142's, hated every second of it. Overcrowded, noisy and the bumpiest I'd ever experienced. The old class 101's were so much better!
Edit: and special mention of the wheel / brake screeching
As someone who lived around Manchester for 4 years, I hated these things when they were in service. Oh sure they were cheap and you could at least always be assured that there'd be a Pacer (though I pity the poor sods who were stuck in one from Piccadilly all the way up to Glasgow) trundling along to replace whatever train you were meant to have but my god did they suck.
They were the most rickety things I've ever been on. Sometimes the doors wouldn't close, there were gaps around the windows meaning they were always cold, the rain got in them, they stunk of diesel fumes, the seats were crap, the list of problems just goes on and on. Yet at the end of the day they somehow did their job and got us there.
I wont lie and say I'm sad to see the back of them but they definitely do have their place in the history of British railways. Now if only the older 150 & 153 Sprinters can follow suit and we can get more new rolling stock, then we'll be heading in the right direction.
Surely a Pacer never operated from Piccadilly up to Glasgow??? Do you have any actual reference for this?
@@droge192 Being stood on Platform 14, seeing the end destination of my train to Bolton being listed as Glasgow, and having a Pacer turn up. Don't get me wrong it wasn't often but sometimes a poor Pacer would get tasked to do the run from Manchester Airport all the way up to Glasgow, I've no idea why, but I can say I've caught one in my time. Normally it'd be Sprinters doing the longer runs and Pacers limited to Greater Manchester stuff, but I've seen some far ranging Pacers before they were finally given the boot.
Hope that's enough for you because I've no idea how to find out what specific trains ran what routes on the days that I was travelling back and forth across the country some 8 years ago now. So really just a personal experience of having seen it on the front of the trains as they came into Piccadilly, but again it was rare.
Definitely didn’t transpennine never had any pacers as rolling stock
@@auntflo4752 Could have sworn it was painted in a Northern livery, so that might answer that.
We are talking almost 8 years ago, so the details are a bit fuzzy but the two things that have stuck in my mind are that on that particular time I caught a Pacer going north from Piccadilly and the end desitination listed on the train was Glasgow. And they stuck in my mind because I specifically thought to myself that I'd have hated to have been stuck on a Pacer all the way up to Glasgow.
Really though, on the Clitheroe line they still use sprinters even though most other lines got the new Northern Trains
Really annoying as the sprinters are just as bad as Pacers
It's been a few years since I last went to Locomotion - funnily enough, I'm pretty sure I arrived at Shildon station on a Pacer that day.
Thanks for this. We have two Pacers at the railway I volunteer at. (East Kent Railway) and it's such easy and ideal train for a short line like ours. And it doesn't use much fuel which during the ridiculous fuel prices we had earlier this year has been a godsend.
The Leyland National was once unloved but in Whiteheaven earlier this year a huge 50th celebration brought a huge number out.. Once unloved things become loved once they have nearly all gone quite like the Metrovick CoBo Beauty is in the rareness
HST125: Temporary solution.
Pacer: Temporary solution.
Nooooooooo they got witdrawn 😞😔😟😕🙁☹️😣😖😫😩🥺😢😭😤😠😡🤬
I quite liked the pacer's myself, I'm surprised people hate it so much
I saw the fly thing Scotsman and the pacer that’s there that pacer happens to be 142001 the first 142 to ever be built
Im sure that when i visited locomotion for "the great gathering" pacers we're running the line past the museum
The concept was good but execution was abizmal, and the initial creation of The rail bus feels DIY
the Pacer earned the title of "An Train" it goes from A to B and it protects you from rain
If I had the time I would buy a pacer unit. So nostalgic
The operable word was "under-funding".
“Train belongs in train museum”
Truer words have never been spoken.
If you think a Pacer ride was bad, evidently you didn't ride a Javelin when new; over a period of about three weeks, I rode on a 142, 143, 150, 156, 158, HST/loco hauled Mk III, and a Javelin, and the Javelin was by far the worst. I think it was the only time that I wanted to get off a moving train it was so bad! And that was on HS1 too.
It's a shame that a 143 isn't in the museum; that was British Rail's first choice, but Alexander/Barclay couldn't build any more than were ordered from them in the delivery time slot, and so class 142s were ordered as well.
That's the big thing about The Pacer: it turned up,. That there might be better trains going from London to Edinburgh doesn't really matter if you're waiting to get home in Stowmarket on a February evening. Those better kind of trains would never run on those lines: the choice was always going to be some clapped out old tin can or nothing.
Look at HS2: there was an opportunity to invest in the rural network to improve service frequency but it all went on shaving a few minutes off inter-city travel.
It's always going to be the same outside the cities: much better to have two trains like this an hour than just one an hour with plumper seats.
Could you do : the complicated legacy of the PEP?
Ah, pacers were the best! That bounce made journeys more fun, and the roar of that engine is like none other!
I even got to drive one recently, video is coming out on my channel soon!
The pacers are ones of my favourite DMUs that have run on british railways, except the class 141.
its easy to forget the positive impact pacers had on helping BR keep trains running whist government spending on BR got less..
When they were developing the Pacers, did anyone mention the words 'Ford', 'Shefflex' and 'Railmotor'...? Just a thought...
0:51 Misery, cold, unrefined, bouncy, ungainly, terrible on sharp curves, something which makes death by Stewart Lee preferable.
There's no argument for them being "cheap" even at the initial cost, as throughout the subsequent years millions was spent to enhance their safety and maintenance. In fact they spent more doing this than had they opted for Sprinters in the first place.
I've never ridden one, but I have a model. On my railroad they're a smooth riding ,air conditioned in summer, heated in the winter. A most comfortable mode of transportation. Nice video. Thanks.
In 1999 I was 22 and was going out with a girl who lived in Manchester. On Sunday nights I was faced with a choice; either get the last train home - a Pacer which stopped at every tree, or leave an hour earlier and get a class 158 which was warm, quiet, fast, and would only stop at a handful of stations.
Sorry Claire, the Pacer was just too much to bear.
I hated everything about pacer trains absolutely everything . They were cold smelly and so uncomfortable.
Worth saying that where Pacers replaced 1st gen diesels. London and the south east kept their 50s and 60s Mk1 EMUs until the mid 2000s. Except on the Lymington line which kept them until 2010. It seems that we love keeping trains until they are ancient. The Sprinters are now all well into their forth decade.
I think Chiltern should have received a further batch of 168s and release 165s to Great Western to replace Pacers, 150s & 153s removing the Pacers from Wales and the West Country by the early 2000s with the 143s being scrapped for parts and 150s taking over the Cardiff Valleys completely leaving the 142s / 144s only in Northern service and replaced by 156s / 170s displaced from Greater Anglia & 156s from ScotRail.
It’s funny how you can see what other countries make versus what we made, living in the north I know these trains far to well and most northern trains are still just as bad
I remember when they came out, their availability was seriously reduced due to SCG gearbox failures and cracking wheels
Ask an ex B.R. Driver how bad they were. Be prepared for a half hour lesson on all the faults. Thatchere's Britain in a nutshell.
I drove the Class 142's from Manchester Piccadilly from 1989 to 2011 and covered thousands of miles. I was only a total failure once on a trip from Manchester Oxford Road to Barrow on a very cold snowy Sunday and even then I got as far as Carnforth. I have to admit that given the choice I would take a double powercar 101 instead if only for the extra power and the manual gearbox.
This was a common thing in the 1960-1980s. In my country, Czechia (then Czechoslovakia) they also made a railcar like that (Motorový vůz 810), with engine literally taken from an actual bus. Its internal design was very similar to the one of Pacer. While these railbusses receive a lot of hate, they also deserve praise as they contributed to preservation of many local railways that would be closed without them. Many of these older railbusses have been decently renovated in the 1990s and some continue to serve until today under many various brands. They have been the true workhorses of many Eastern European railways.
As a concept, the Pacer could have been brilliant, but the way it was executed and utilised could not have been worse. I've never had a pleasant journey on a Pacer, much like I never had a pleasant journey on one of Leylands' buses from the era, it really felt like I was in the USSR with how badly built and designed they were.
We should keep a Pacer in the NRM, as a testament to how NOT to build a train.
The Pacer - it should've been called the "Frankentrain" given its mixed rail and bus heritage! British Rail and Leyland threw the parts together, stood back, and declared: "It's alive!" And boy, did it live on for a long time.
I was brought up in Yorkshire, the Pacers and Sprinters were an every day train on the lines in the 80's and 90's growing up. Me and friends always used to get day rider tickets for Bus/Train and would always make our way to Bradford interchange so we could venture onto the trains. Yeah they were noisy with the rails, yeah they sometimes stank with diesel fumes and yeah they bounced more than the girls we'd sometimes meet on our travels.. But they were an essential part of our train travel then.
And for them to last as long as they did.. Well, that is an exceptional accomplishment in itself.
I will miss them because sometimes, quiet, soft and clean can be boring.
Ah yes, the dangerous Pacer. EVERYONE hated them, including Geoff Marshall. I would wait for another train to take me to my destination, if a Pacer turned up, especially after the crash between one of those buses, and a loco not far from Crewe station.
It’s funny there’s a website walking decommissioned Pacers
Pacers are still running on the Cumbrian coast line, to my utter dismay. They squeal like pigs, the seats are rock hard, they bounce and wobble which makes me feel sick, I hate the bloody things, especially as I had to ride 35 miles to work and another 35 miles back every day for two decades on the damn things. Oh, and they are cold and droughty in winter. Just rotten.
I only rode on a pacer once (The normal trains I took whenever I did take them were Class 156s) and it was just awful. It was rattly, it smelled of diesel, it was loud. It felt like how a TVR was built, but on a larger scate and on tracks.
But god damn do I miss them.
Its a shame the Pacer 144e's never came to true fruition because of Covid, they looked very modern with the refurbishment and accessible toilets, still despite nevere riding them, maybe I will once I visist the UK, kudos to these pacers for providing connections on quiet branchlines.
Is inccedible how british railways system abandoned in first place Railbus and classic train formations when all we know capacity is a problem and many closed lines should be reopened even to be serve hourly for only 100 passengers at time though.
I don’t get this . Everyone hated the pacers ,but they kept many branch lines open that would otherwise of been closed. But no one complains about a cheap uncomfortable easy jet flight to Ibiza.
The Pacers were cheap to build and cheap to run! Hence the saved railways thanks to the Pacers.
If I could keep a Pacer for myself, I would probably repair the mistakes they did when buildings these trains, and maybe substitute their diesel engine with a class 150 engine, in summary, take all from the interior's floor to below it and put the same but of a class 150
Nope, sorry. No misty-eyed reimaging them as some lovely thing from me. Hated them as trains and how they represented underinvestment in Northern rail infrastructure, as much as I hate them being turned into kids libraries. We deserved better as commuters and kids deserve actual buildings fit for purpose.
One aspect of the Pacer was the design of the front end. The Leyland National bus had quite a handsome appearance, whereas the rail variant was pretty hideous.
a Pacer definitely deserves a place in a train museum. Was it liked? no. hell no. was it a successful train? well... yes. for all it's faults, these bouncing, screeching, overheating lumps of cheapness kept railways alive in the north west and wales, on commuter and rural routes, and the hastily designed stopgap measure provided a cost-effectiveness and quantity of stock that made it worth having trains connecting a lot of these places at all. In that way they're a lesson to designers of the future, partly as an example of a successful failure... but mostly as a laundry list of things not to do :P
and is it iconic enough to be in a museum? yes. certainly up here in the north west, the pacer was easily the most common train your saw, heard, and any other train felt like luxury after getting them almost every day.
Who needs seat backs, heating, suspension, tranquillity or reliability anyway? Pacers had a charm that trains nowadays just don’t
Pacers were awful but their history is so fascinating. Love these silly bouncy Frankenstein trains
completely unrelated but I LOVE the fact you use tyne and wear metro sounds for your short intro
It's the sound of my childhood :D
@@edificityi live close to the metro and the sounds really fascinate me
hello, me again! one year later, went to locomotion yesterday and saw the flying scotsman! already saw the hst in york and locomotion was awesome. thanks for inspiring me to go even if it took a year! and i hope youtube goes super well for you!
Well they've found their forté now, they're just the thing for heritage railways 🍦! Just like their forerunners the railbuses
The final pacer had done 2,388,550 miles? Jesus Christ
they done a job, when new were more reliable than the trains that they replaced cut the cost of track maintenance due to there light weight which kept a lot of rural lines open which would have closed, they did the job and for a lash up did it well for how long ? 40 years enough said.
Pacer service was like a tapdancing poodle.
It wasn't good
But it was pleasing that it was done at all.
Yep, a true icon of decades of underinvestment in railways in the North.
Put one in scrap yard best place for em horrible things 😀😀😀
Am I the only one who loved them! Bouncy squealy good fun! :-)
Funny how people love to exaggerate. They were ok for short journeys.
when I hear the word asbestos I think "applause" because in old cartoons when a stage curtain would close it said asbestos on it and people would clap
Pacers: because nothing is more permanent than a temporary fix.
Rail geeks when they are just train spooning and sees a pacer 😎
What’s the music in the background
Possibly the worst train ever built... I love them 😂
Swear TFW still run pacers to this day
How cheap to attach a bus to the train that’s so stupid what the hell
The Pacers - A Warning From History
my most favourite train in the UK is the pacer.
Just discovered your channel. Keep up the good work 👍
“Train belongs in train museum” 😂
Great Video!
They were having a lot of criticism
Is it just me or does more than a few not give it justice…
Idk never seen one before, they just look cute