How to Make a Copper Bowl, Hammering with Rob
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
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Rob Barrett
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Rob, I've been working with copper, brass, and iron since I was 5 year old, this ancient art has been passed down for generations in my family. My ancestors are Armenians from Urfa, which is in Southeast Turkey today. I like your zeal in pounding that bowl, so if you want pointers, I'll be happy to give them to you.
Hammering on a sandbag is far easier and allows for much more precision than a roll of duct tape and the wooden table.
But you've got to give him credit for finding a tool that everyone might have in their home.
@@kimauger4293 sand and a bag is bit more common, unless u live in a city
Funny seeing you here - do you have a video on this? I've been looking for a way to build an automatic hammer at home
oooh, thanks for that tip!! I'm about to go to town!
As a high school art teacher always looking for ideas, this is perfect! I have a lot of aluminum flashing in a similar gauge (sp?) and you don't need an ANVIL!!!!! Who could afford one for each of the 30 students in my room. Excellent video!
Thanks so much. check out my copper channel for more copper vids. I've never tried it with aluminum, let me know how it goes.
You can prevent burrs,or as I call them "alligator teeth", by using your snips the right way. The red handled, should actually go clockwise, and your greens counter. You want your small end of the metal to roll on itself. It keeps your project from kinking.
I love the look of copper, you did a real nice job on that bowl with a few simple tools. Thanks for sharing your talent with us!
you are welcome. thanks for watching
I agree with the previous commentor. You are very clever in your use of ordinary objects such as duct tape as a dapping tool to create that gorgeous copper bowel. Here I thought you needed a fancy work bench with all the accoutrements and was prepared to buy all that stuff. Thanks. You probably saved me a lot of money. I know a lot of the tutorials from the jewelry companies on youtube are like ads meant to convince newbies like me to buy their fancy tools or whatever. Your organic approach is really ingenious.
Thanks, it's amazing what you can do with just simple tools
I’m a sheetmetal/hvac guy…. I’m doing this. Pottery is my escape, but I could see this being my meditation for a while.
Thanks.
So cool, let me know how it goes. I'm sure you'll be great
thanks it's a lot of fun. Thanks for watching and for the nice comment
Thanks for a really useful video. I took a week long class at Sierra Nevada College with a nationally known metalsmith and it was a wonderful class. I learned a lot but he brought very expensive stake and hammers. It would cost a fortune to buy these stakes, even a couple of hammers and stakes would be hundreds of dollars. I love that you made a very nice bowl with things we have on hand. Thanks again
I loved this & the best part was the use of every day tools that are laying around. I'm glad you didn't use an anvil or a fancy work bench.
Thank you!!!
+Misty Sea you bet, thanks for watching. let me know if you make anything.
Thank you, I love the use of NOT EXPENSIVE tools!!!! The duct tape was genious!
You bet, there are very few questions that don't have duct tape as the answer.
Love it I am an old school tin knocker/ copper smith/ cornice worker and its nice to see things still done by hand and not machine it is the art of the trade
this was awesome! in our modern day society we have forgotten now our forefathers made things before the event of electricity and fancy tools. and I might add that we all need this knowledge were a major event to occur, that would cause us to be thrust back in those times again. and using this knowledge, those who survived could create a new existence.
I am a sheet-metal worker, and I have access to 16 ounce, and 24 ounce copper. I've never made a comparable. I have half a sheet that I'm going to work with. It comes 3' x 10'.
There's going to be a lot of hammering! I'm super excited! Thanks.
Cool, let me know how it goes. Start small.
Your neighbours must love you
Is it a good idea to occasionally anneal the copper to soften it? By heating it with a propane torch.
Based on your tools, I am very impressed! Looks good and creative 'studio'! Nice work.
It would be easier. I've seen it done that way. In all my videos I try and show how people can do something without specialized equipment and just with stuff they have around the house.
Rob,
That is great! I think I'll set up a bench next my grill and give that a try. i have a few small pieces of copper flashing.
Thanks for sharing this
Thanks for sharing this! I think the use of common tools and the duct tape is great. I am definitely going to try this out.
+aeejke sure, thanks for watching. If you make anything, post a pic.
great video , iv just got my hands on a TON of copper so i will be adding this the list of things to try.
So cool, post some pics on my FB page
oh ok sure ,also going to be setting up a lil shop for my new hobby for this and etching copper, applying patinas & laminating copper for table tops etc , gonna be a lil bit just getting everything together . i forgot to tell ya i had also subscribed .
Awesome, Can't wait to see your work. Hammer well.
This was amazing. I'm used to making smaller 1" to 1.5" circles with my steel dapping block. Just got a wooden shallow block with 4 sizes 2.5, 3, 3.5 & 4" sizes. I'm using 24 gauge copper too and started using my largest steel punch and used a rawhide mallet as I'm working on wood and don't want it break. I was worried about those dimple marks as they even out on smaller sizes but realize that's part of it. Realizing I can just go in with my ball peen hammer and avoid the steel punch altogether. My struggle is getting it all to look pretty evenly round.
Thanks. I was just speaking with a friend about doing this with some heavier gauge copper that I salvaged off my 110 y/o house when we had the roof redone.
Rolling the edge on the wrench is great. I don't think the duct tape roll will hold up too well given the gauge I'm using, so I'm thinking of carving out a bowl/form with some scrap hard wood. Or, inverting the process my making a quick n dirty dome on the end of a log like they do for making woks by hand.
Sorry, just seeing this. Let me know how it goes.
That's really cool, Rob. Your sculptures are great.
Great video - thanks for the tips!
..Sxis
Thanks, bro. This is exactly what I was looking for.
You bet, good luck. let me see what you make.
cookingfordads
I am going to make singing bowls to heal people with. Making the right copper bowl for your own self, and simply hitting it with something will heal you better than any doctor.
cool, let me know how it goes
Yes, Rob. You are right: the fact that you use pretty much "every-day tools" makes it that much simpler for anyone with the desire to try. You do a great job. I have every tool you used in your video including the Stanley Workmate.. I was curious how much you paid for your piece of copper. You said it was a little spendy and I was wondering just how spendy. Keep up the good work!
Thanks so much and thanks for watching. This reply is from my copper channel.
Love it! I make copper jewelry using heat to color it, I haven't found a great system yet to be able to control the colors. I'd love to see you put some heat and color into a bowl!
I would have but there were no vids or anything to help me out so i had to figure it out on my own. If there were resources I would utilize them. thanks for watching.
Offset left cut reds are really handy to have, even offset straight cuts yellows are really nice to use for cutting metal
Very cool! Thanks for sharing.
+MoxieRedhead you bet, check out more on my copper channel
Just turned it upside down and hammered the bottom flat, maybe flipped it over and reinforced that shape once again. thanks for watching
Love this, thank you! We’ve been looking for a copper birdbath and now I’m going to try making one! If I want a 20” diameter birdbath, about 2.5 -3 inches deep, what diameter disc should I start with? Thank you!
Answered you on FB let me know if you have any other questions
great work and great video.... here's a hint --what i like to do when making rounded edges is...when you're almost 3/4 done--or less, on your rounded edge, place a thick wire inside the curved edge, all along the perimeter (something like the string in the waist of jogging pants) and it'll give you a nice hard backing when shaping a nice curve for your edge --hope you don't mind the hint --keep up the good work ;)
+Carlzday That is a great tip. I am so going to try that. Thanks for watching.
+cookingfordads You might also want to give a try to pounding on a short wooden box full of sand instead of the duct tape roll. The sand is more flexible and will give a smoother texture to the inside of the curve. Just be careful not to overdo it. The sand is a lot more flexible and will make it go a lot quicker, so much so that its real easy to hit too hard and make a big divot that can be hard to get out...
Making the box is easy. Any old scrap 1bys will work. You only need it about an inch or so deep and as big as you think you will need to have room for whatever you are working on. The deeper you want the curve to be, the bigger the box will have to be. If you want a real deep bowl you might need the box to be as big as the bowl and as deep as the curve desired.
To go that far you will need to anneal the copper as it gets too hard to work. Just heat to red with a torch of some kind, or even in an open fire, and then quickly dip it into cold water. Quenching like this will harden carbon steel, but it will soften copper almost back to the virgin softness you remarked on when it was new.
+Ken Lazar Thanks, that's a great idea, I'll try it.
Very cool! Thanks for sharing~ Looks like a lot of fun and rewarding..........
You bet, let me know if you try it.
hi Rob, greta work. i'm semi retired now so ive got my man cave ready to start working with copper, gonna try the bowl, cheers dude
+Catherine Delahaye Thanks so much. Congrats. Send me a pic when you're done.
:-) don't worry about it. I was going to answer back that they get lots of leftover food so they don't mind. :-) but thanks for coming back and for the nice comment. I appreciate your sensitivity, it will do well for you in your life. blessings to you. Rob
If you toast the copper over a charcoal fire, it anneals it. Then you can keep working the metal without it cracking.
@Tippster1980 It takes a while to hammer that down, I'll be honest. I probably have an hour of hammering in to it. Yes, I've made quite a few, but you'd be surprised how easy it is to do, especially if you start smaller. The bigger bowls can get away from you.
Thank you, Rob. Exactly the info i need to start a copper kitchen project!
+Kate Emery you bet, send me a pic when you're done
This is great! We have been looking for a copper sink for our kitchen & bathroom in our skoolie, and they are super expensive. So then today we thought... HEY why don't we make one. Thanks for sharing your pounding technique. We will be sure to use it on our sinks! :) - Erin + Brian too
Hey guys! Did you ever make your bowl! I have a step van I am building out and came to the same conclusion.
@@marshahutchison1446 yep! We sure did and it works awesome! We have a video of it on our YT channel (BE Adventure Partners) if you want to go see it. We don’t want to drop the link here out of courtesy of this videos creator.
We ended up using the vessel sink bowl in our Skoolie bathroom and also made a square sink for the Skoolie kitchen.
Let us know if you have any questions over on our channel & we’d be happy to answer them!
Happy building!
- Brian + Erin
@@BEAdventurePartners ok, I will check it out. Thanks
Have you tried annealing the copper using a hand torch to make it more pliable? I would think that would allow you to shape it much quicker, as it hardens when you hammer it and stretch it.
I usually go back and forth a little, but i don't anneal it unless i need to, i.e., it gets too hard to hammer
Your neighbors must love you.
Rob, I was intrigued by your DYI approach without a lot of fancy tools. Tried my first 10” “bowl”. It insists on being more of a “C”, or a “U”, depending on your point of view. Would make a passable bread stick basket. I’ve tried to focus my hammering to the opposing, flatter sides, trying to “raise” those parts even with the other two sides. Also tried annealing the copper and then repeating the raising. Little improvement. I should add I’m using 20 gauge copper used for roof flashing that comes coiled to begin with, but I got it fairly flat before I started. All that I could get in this day and age. So it is slightly thicker and not as flat to begin with as in your demo. It is almost like its “baked in” curve came back once I started working the metal. Any suggests how to resolve, or am I stuck making bead basket?
Richard, yes the dreaded taco, you have to stay ahead of that. The thicker the copper the more difficult it is. Turn it over upside down and try and flatten it that way. FaceTime me if you'd like. 612-305-1011
@@cookingfordads thanks for the thought. I’ve tried that, but always revert back to the “taco”. I’m trying to get ahead of it by repeated annealing and raising. Can’t seem to get a symmetrical result. Seems as if that form is “baked in”. Tomorrow I’ll try using 24 gauge agreeing that thicker gauges can be problematic.
Let me know how it goes.
Turn it upside down and hammer around the edges, I do that many times during the process
@@cookingfordads Better. I sorted discovered that as well. I was also mistaken about the metal gauge. I thought it was 20, but really was 24. I’m now using 26 gauge for now. It seems the most critical part is taking care “setting the edge”. The cleaner that is, no knuckles or kinks, the easier it is after that. I find I need to anneal quite often throughout the process. More practice. Thanks again.
Thanks Brandon...just what I was looking for. Good Job...!
I just had to find your video again. Yesterday I made some stupid quip about your neighbours loving you for the noise. I've removed the comment because I thought to myself "Here's a guy who's taken the time to make a video to share his knowledge, and I've actually learnt something from it and I even liked the video, but then I made some throw away comment about the noise. What a douche I was."
So I'm back to say [a] sorry, and [b] thanks for sharing your knowledge.
You have to stay ahead of it. When you start to get that shape, heat it and push down those sides.
IMHO: You ought to try using a large plastic mallet to "edge" your piece. Using a ball pien against a box end wrench isn't very efficient, or controllable.
It's just what i have and what most people have. i try and use everyday tools. Thanks for watching.
Thank you for sharing I shared on my group page on Facebook..
Made copper ash trays using this method in summer camp. 4th & 5th grades. Actually had wooden forms to shape it.
Thanks so much. I even started a channel just for my copper work. Copperbyrob
It's easier to find it online, but def check at HD or another hardware store. You can also check recycling centers. good luck and send me a picture.
not sure what that is. i use a basic hammer with a round end. That way the copper doesn't stretch too much in one direction.
Look up Tinmantech he has some good videos on metal working.
A slapper is basically a wood or metal device used like a hammer but with a broader shape. A shot bag is a leather bag that looks like a small pillow but its filled with sand or lead shot (like what's in shotguns shells). You hammer the metal as it sits on the bag with a slapper or a rounded wooden mallet to make such things as you bowl.
Thanks for sharing. Nice fun project for a fruit bowl!
You bet. Thanks for watching
Great work thankyou for sharing. May I ask, on the bowl you made, by creating the rim edges first, how much if any does the outside rim diameter decrease by, once the bowl is finished? I need to make a pot lid of roughly 480 millimeters
That gorgeous Rob, well done!!
Hey Rob,
Making a sink out of 22 gauge material which is 17" across. The sink will be round and under mount type. I would like the finished dimensions to be 12” across and 5 to 6 inches deep. Is seventeen inch material enough to do that”
Thanks, Sherman
SD Morningstar yes, i wish I knew exactly what to cut it out. probably 14" around will shrink up to 12"
You could save some time if you annealed the metal when it gets too hard
Thanks so much. I even started a channel just for my copper work. Copperbyrob on youtube.
Wonderful project for a beginner like me!
I've done the flat bottom part, but to get it deep enough you have to hammer through the bottom way before the end. As for a mold, I can't keep the edge from bunching up so the only way i could figure out to do it was by the method shown. I don't have any training just figured stuff out. And that was before UA-cam. I was in Turkey and wen tot he big market hoping to see some old world masters at work. But they had all gone to machine stamping it out. Disapointing.
Would a shot bag and some slappers not be a better way of doing this? Awesome job with what you had.
@toroarts Yeah, at the time I couldn't find any information on how to do this so I am totally self taught. I even went to Turkey and tried to find some good hand made craftsmen there, but it was all machine stamped. So yeah, I could use a lesson, I just have no idea whom to take it from.
Rob, loved your video! Thank you
Very impressive but I was wondering the same thing as KastigoKSJ. You should look into them as it can speed things up considerably I would imagine.
Hi Rob do you think this texture would be easy to apply to a 1/4" thick plate of copper? thanks for the great vids
That's probably a little thick. sometimes the bigger pieces can get away from you too. If you hammer it lightly, you can make it have the appearance of hammered copper without actually changing the shape.
The off cut comes upwards from the tin snips ! Makes it a lot easier to cut
very cool. I went to get some copper but its expensive so I got a 24" piece of aluminum flashing.
Really nice hammered copper work Rob and you really should have gloves and safety glasses on
hi, love the vid.I have seen a sack of wet sand used as a hammer base but i must admit i admire your creativity coming up with the duck tape. also could a mild application of heat (propane torch) reduce the tempering? i use heat to soften silver to allow further working of the metal. if you try either let me know your thoughts please.
watch the making of a platter on my copper by rob. You can find the link in teh description I used a torch to add some color in that one.
After so long don't you have to aneal the copper to keep it from cracking due to work hardening from the hammer?
Every once in a while but it's really not too bad. I've made hundreds of bowls and only with the really thick copper is it a problem. Thanks for watching.
How are you with your neighbors? Are they ok with the noise?
for the taco issues, take your torch and really heat it all along the crease, that will anneal it and make it soft again. then pull apart the taco hammering across the seam on a flat surface. Hammer and pull, hammer and pull. (sorry it's hard to describe but easy to show.
As for the cracks, you just got to stay on top of them. Once they start you got to hammer them out. Check my copper channel for more tips.
@RicePudden you must be very handy. Nice to meet you
Nice Job! I would like to make hammered sinks, I guess this is too thin for that?
try a very loose sand filled leather bag it gives you some play in the shape and lets you use a bit more force.Ill post in a video response when i get the chance its how you shape breastplates for armor.but i have to say very creative kitbashing for a mold :)
thank you for the easy approach. very nice work
cool I like it and will try to make
I collect a lot of copper item and I would like to make some things
have you ever taken a old silver plated copper tray and hammered it out to a bowl?
thanks
wow those copper sculpters look great
Robert, this is Rob, I would try thicker copper. copper should be tougher the more you work it. Take some pics and send them to me. Love to see your work. rbi
Very nice...thanks.
Rob, you inspire me! I want to try but I'll mess it up. What was the size of the biggest bowl that you showed?
Thank you so much for the info on making a bowl from copper. Can I do the same with brass?
+robin starke should be very similar. Let me know how it goes. You may have to anneal it more
Hello. Hve a project at my school and i am intrerested in learing how can a cylider-barrel can be make. How can you give this roll shape? it woyld be really helpfull if somone could anser me. thanks
Many Thx,
I'll let you know how it turned out and a photo or two of the finished bowl.
Sherman
SD Morningstar awesome, can't wait to see it. find me on FB or my copper channel
@msp663 Yeah, it was a little much, but it was during the day and they weren't home. Normally I hammer in the garage so as to avoid neighbors with migraines. :-)
I think you should do more videos like this, Rob.
If you do a lot of copper work, I'd recommend making a dishing stump. Save the duct tape for better things, lol. Do you know of any food safe treatments to keep copper from tarnishing? (Btw, my last name is Barrett as well) thanks Rob!
I do a fair amount. You are correct, but I strive to show ways that just normal people can dot things with what they have around the house. I. E. I don't people to think they have to have a dishing stump in order to make a bowl. You can do it with duct tape. :-) That's kind of my thing. Thanks for watching. We Barrett's have to stay together.
you know you can soften the copper by heating till it glows right?
that's called Annealing
Heat it till it is a dull red then dip it in water.
How much harder would it be to make it more like half a sphere?
that was freaking awesome.
+PRIESTESSHEAVEN “heaven07” GMT Thanks, let me know if you try it.
Boy, your neighbors must really love you. LOL
They do, I bake them lots of bread. normally i do copper work in the garage, not outside. thx for watching
wow, that turned out amazing! how much would a scrap piece like that go for?
Can a similar hammering process be used on a 65 year aluminum (24") tray?
Not sure. Depends how malleable the aluminum is.
How do you stick your pieces of copper together when you make a sculpture? Please and thanks
I used to solder them, now i braise them with app gas and a braising rod, available at any welding shop. Thanks for watching
G'day Rob, Mate, you've turned a perfectly good piece of flat copper plate into scrap! The least you could have done is ensure a perfect "round" edge!
Wasted video bandwidth.
I was expecting to see you use a shot bag, but the tape roll work well for you.
@KyleWPeterson Actually no, just like you see here. The only thing that can be done is to heat the metal severely with a torch if it gets to hard to work with, that softens it up again. But normally I don't do that.