If I'm not mistaken, The bass trombone I played in HS had a pure copper bell, or at least a high concentration of it. It was super nice sounding, very warm
I haven’t seen a pure copper bell on a bass trombone, but I have seen quite a few 85-90% copper “rose brass” bells. They do indeed have a very warm and centered sound. I wish I had the chance to play on a copper-enhanced bass more often.
Thanks for the comment! The Director cornets had some discrepancies as well. For instance, I believe I have a later-issue 18A cornet, which has a larger bell (also electroformed Coprion) than standard, but that model was replaced with the 17A, which had a smaller bell flare, longer primary tuning slide, and shorter secondary tuning slide.
Now that is something I'd like to see (and play on)! I think I've only ever really seen euphoniums made of standard yellow brass. What a missed opportunity. Although I think a pure copper one would be pretty costly to manufacture...
@@SamuelPlaysBrass The bell matters the most, and material does get changed up there. Gold (rose) brass does get used, and Dave Werden has a solid silver bell.
Excited for the new series! The copper bell is the same model I'm playing at the moment. I don't have anything else to compare it to but it plays more than enough for my ability on the slidy instrument 😂
Well, good on you for messing with the trombone! It definitely helps to experience both firsthand, not over a recording, but nevertheless I’m curious-were you able to hear much of a difference in this demo?
I had one that I picked up from a antique store, for $200 cdn and sold it for $500 ,had no case or mouthpiece ,the horn in good condition except the brace from the bell to the female end receiver had to be soldered on.No wear on the stockings of the slide and the copper bell was in mint condition with no scratches and dings to it.I do prefer the full copper bell sound of the warm GLen Miller sound and style. I do wish manufacturers had the option of having a 100 percent copper bell for tubas , euphonium, and bass trombones.But that pure metal is very expensive to produce and a world shortage of it now these days.
You managed to sell it for $500CAD? I’m surprised. Anyhow, I do like that you mention Glenn Miller because that style of music is a great use of the copper bell. Seems like whatever copper deposits are left in our mines might have to go towards copper wiring and battery components, though…
I had no idea pure copper was even used. I liked the regular bell better for the first piece. The copper bell sounded too dull. Trombones already tend to have a great jazz sound at lower volumes. I could see using a rose brass bell for trumpet or cornet perhaps.
I do have a cornet with a fully-copper bell and both a trumpet and cornet with rose brass bell (you can tell it’s time to downsize my collection). Very helpful there. I’m surprised you preferred yellow brass in the softer volumes but you do have a fair point about trombones’ natural jazz leaning.
If I'm not mistaken, The bass trombone I played in HS had a pure copper bell, or at least a high concentration of it. It was super nice sounding, very warm
I haven’t seen a pure copper bell on a bass trombone, but I have seen quite a few 85-90% copper “rose brass” bells. They do indeed have a very warm and centered sound. I wish I had the chance to play on a copper-enhanced bass more often.
Great video
I like the 18H Copper Bell Sound.
Also, i Have the Late 18H Model With Yellow Brass Bell and .500 Bore Slide.
Thanks for the comment! The Director cornets had some discrepancies as well. For instance, I believe I have a later-issue 18A cornet, which has a larger bell (also electroformed Coprion) than standard, but that model was replaced with the 17A, which had a smaller bell flare, longer primary tuning slide, and shorter secondary tuning slide.
Omg how cool would an 100% copper euph sound I need that in my life!
Now that is something I'd like to see (and play on)! I think I've only ever really seen euphoniums made of standard yellow brass. What a missed opportunity. Although I think a pure copper one would be pretty costly to manufacture...
@@SamuelPlaysBrass The bell matters the most, and material does get changed up there. Gold (rose) brass does get used, and Dave Werden has a solid silver bell.
Great video Samuel!🤗👍👍
Thanks Peter! Was there much of a difference to your ear between the bells?
You're so welcome! The one with 100% cooper has a much softer and "darker" sound!
Excited for the new series! The copper bell is the same model I'm playing at the moment. I don't have anything else to compare it to but it plays more than enough for my ability on the slidy instrument 😂
Well, good on you for messing with the trombone! It definitely helps to experience both firsthand, not over a recording, but nevertheless I’m curious-were you able to hear much of a difference in this demo?
I had one that I picked up from a antique store, for $200 cdn and sold it for $500 ,had no case or mouthpiece ,the horn in good condition except the brace from the bell to the female end receiver had to be soldered on.No wear on the stockings of the slide and the copper bell was in mint condition with no scratches and dings to it.I do prefer the full copper bell sound of the warm GLen Miller sound and style. I do wish manufacturers had the option of having a 100 percent copper bell for tubas , euphonium, and bass trombones.But that pure metal is very expensive to produce and a world shortage of it now these days.
You managed to sell it for $500CAD? I’m surprised. Anyhow, I do like that you mention Glenn Miller because that style of music is a great use of the copper bell. Seems like whatever copper deposits are left in our mines might have to go towards copper wiring and battery components, though…
I had no idea pure copper was even used. I liked the regular bell better for the first piece. The copper bell sounded too dull. Trombones already tend to have a great jazz sound at lower volumes. I could see using a rose brass bell for trumpet or cornet perhaps.
I do have a cornet with a fully-copper bell and both a trumpet and cornet with rose brass bell (you can tell it’s time to downsize my collection). Very helpful there. I’m surprised you preferred yellow brass in the softer volumes but you do have a fair point about trombones’ natural jazz leaning.
Lol the flugelbone
@@chrisg0001 A Flugabone is a real instrument made by King. They’re fun.