Girl please 🙄 Do you not see all of the loads of deals, endorsements, sponsorships, and contracts that Ice Spice has gotten !? She's ALREADY SUCCESSFUL !!! 😂😂😂
Just based off the title. I feel like the only way to be a villain. Is if the talent is immaculate. Kanye, Nicki, 50, hell even Kendrick, can be villains because the TALENT is there. Someone like Ice doesn’t come off as a villain, more like a bully. Cause she can’t back NOTHING up
Something didn't sit well with me when she invited Flo Milli at her Hot97 performance soon after being accused of gaining from "light skin pretty privilege', it felt calculated, hoped I was wrong though
You’re absolutely right and I peeped. Then Flo came out and said don’t martyr her again. Flo Milli didn’t wanna be the spokesperson on this subject bc quite frankly she is happy at her level and or doesn’t have the depth to talk about it. I’m happy Cleo spoke up.
And its hilarious bc taylor swift did the same thing to ice spice. News about taylor's then bf matty healy calling ice spice a chubby chinese lady -> taylor cosigns ice and gets her ona remix 😂
@@vegannn7178exactly I get surpried when ppl say ice spice benefits from pretty privilege💀at this point american standards of beauty for a bw to be accepted is being radially ambiguous it doesn't matter how average looking or unattractive looking you are as long as you are ambiguous
Imma be honest. I think that once she got the co-sign from Taylor Swift & Nicki Minaj she really started smelling herself. Ion think she was ever a girls girl fr just using ppl for business which is what exactly what happened to Cleo. Now if I were Cleo I wouldn’t have went on this “tour” anyway but ice is fake asf and bogus in how she treated her friend. Tbh with everything ice has just been digging deeper and deeper holes for herself there hasn’t been any good press since them text messages dropped. I think her career will definitely fizzle tf out I can’t say exactly when but..if she continues on this path ice will be melted
I’m actually surprised that Cleo is actually getting a lot of support to be honest. Because you know how the community/culture is when it comes to black women so I feel like things are changing for the better. Because I spice is like a pretty popular light skin girl and Cleo is just like a dark skin not as known artist who isn’t hyped in the media because of her looks
Always enjoy your commentary. This situation was terrible. Also Ice Spice’s manager rubbing it in Cleo’s face that she made a bad decision was crazy to me. Telling her what she should of did after the fact is just insane.
@@User-q8d9jneither was ices? ☠️ how did they see cleo, constantly go out of their way to make sure she knows she’s not on the budget and at no point send her home or get in touch with her manager? he explained how the business side of all that works and it showed he didn’t do his job either
i remember thinking (like pretty much everybody else) that ice spice was such a sweetheart when she first came out because i found it charming how soft spoken she was. in retrospect, i think she might just be a little awkward lol. she’s always either putting on a character or seeming incredibly uncomfortable and like she doesn’t know what to do with herself. her awkwardness was misread as humility, but her ego is 100% and hasn’t been earned yet.
yea part of her brand at the beginning was her being unproblematic, dropping bops and minding her business, it hurt her likability when she started with people like Latto and Cardi for no reason
But I believe a lot of girls in the industry are like this but they are hiding it. I don’t like ice spice nor do I agree with her, but I don’t agree to this idea that female rappers needs to be girls girls and a lot of women aren’t. I know for facts a lot of girls in the industry are fake asf but they showing of female unity cuz that what women want to see, even though we don’t hold that standard to our own lives.
Cleo has a genuine personality, talent and been grinding trying to make it on her own, so ice spice can’t relate because she had everything given to her when they propped her up . Ice spice was just quiet , it does not mean she was a nice person . She reminds me of those mean girls from school , such insecurities so they treat others like garbage . Ice spice doesn’t have any real friends because she is not a real friend to anyone . She has no talent or a relatable personality and I don’t think she really has any female friends . You don’t have to have a bunch of friends but when you don’t have any real friends something is wrong with them .
I knew who Cleotrapa was before I ever heard of Ice Spice. I never was checking for Ice’s music before but saw her with Cleo & since I liked Cleo I started listening to a couple Ice Spice songs. After hearing Cleo’s story I’m not going to support Ice Spice anymore because I’m riding with my fellow BW. Cleo was being mistreated terribly on the tour but stayed because of the opportunity to perform which I can understand.
her text receipts were nails on the coffin i fear……… that was disgusting and nasty energy she was like pleased with herself that Cleo finally showed she was upset at the treatment & isis thought she could further get some hits in esp disrespecting her by accusing her of cheating on her bf with her “ favorite eater “- Ice just exposed herself with projection. She likely has her own “favorite eaters” in diff cities as she accused Cleo (when Cleo has a whole boyfriend AND a doggy fur-son at home) - she just wanted to throw punches in at Cleo sooo bad bc the whole time she was lowkey about it, she rlly tried and failed
I remember listening to the Joe Budden podcast and them saying that labels do not care account for people that are not any benefit to them and fine, that makes sense Cleo is not a big artist or anyone that will bring new audience to Ice and that usually when you are an opener you got a Hustle everything there is for the main attraction not for you so okay, understandable but...what Ice SHOULD have done if that was her FRIEND is to say my label don't want to help you out they're not going to pay for anything, they don't want to help you out... do you still want to go?, then Cleo would have been prepared SIMPLE!.
I would have accepted the opportunity as an independent artist, but I would have got my team involved. The first moment I seen that Ice didn’t keep her word for various things. I would have STOPPED texting /calling her. It would have became a promotional tour for me. I wouldn’t have been backstage, I’d be with the fans making TikTok’s, pics, etc. I would have played the whole thing off so good and put ice in my back pocket once I discovered she’s not really my friend. Stop reacting with emotion. Read “The 48 Laws of Power” by Robert Greene
she tried to get her team involved after ice started acting weird but ice said she couldn’t since there was no space for her assistant on the bus and cleo didn’t even have her own hotel room to herself to be bringing people into a room that isn’t hers, she was staying with the hairstylist
cleo said she didnt realize she was dark and demonic untill being around her 24/7 on the tour.. because before they would only hang out at events only disagreement w this video
Don't forget that time Ice retweeted Cleo's lyrics trying shade Cardi and hardly stopped the comments from going in on Cleo when she was just innocently promoting her music.
She didn’t say it was dark the entire two years. She actually said it wasn’t, but that this was most intimate their time spent had ever been without break. It had never been more than ~ 10 hours in a given day
Ice audience is mostly kids. As sad as that is,it’s true. They don’t care about Cleotrapa. Boys a Liar is probably the only song I paid attention too. But best believe,If I was given the opportunity to tour with a big name,I would happily carry my own bags,drop them in the mud to take pics with fans,order Uber eats if I were hungry,hide my credit cards,and take the time to catch up on my social media or sleep on the bus while waiting for this so-called friend to bless us with her presence. Cleo kept saying she was confused by the attitudes and just had a whatever attitude. That shows a weak personality that probably isn’t ready for this cut throat business! Ice will probably do OF and make 50 million dollars. She’s set up that way.
Exactly 💯 People in the industry always use the word friend loosely. So just because they called themselves friends doesn't mean they were legit friends like they grew up together or nothing.
Ice won’t get the same “separate the art from the artist” treatment as artists like Kanye and Doja because nobody respects her as an actual artist. They have the talent to make people not give a fuck, she doesn’t. She makes it really easy to not listen to her when Riot’s beats are carrying the whole song
I've heard a lot of people talk about Cleo and why they were friends despite the datk energy. But to me it's obvious that she felt this energy during the tour when ice stopped being her friends or showed her real self.
I don’t agree with ice spice in this situation AT ALL. But why do we hold female rappers to these up standards that most of y’all don’t uphold in your own life. Most of y’all love baddies and the real housewives and love and hip hop where women treat each other like rubbish. Mainly women watch programmes tearing other women down. But in female rap, women need to be girl girls. I don’t get it, I think women are projecting what they women to be in female solidarity that most of y’all don’t even uphold in real life….
What’s the point bringing someone on tour when you’re going to humiliate them like this? Ew. I used to like ice spice too. Didn’t like her music, but I thought she was pretty and had a good personality. Boy was I wrongggggggg. She is a terrible friend and all the respect I had for her is gone. I really only liked her because I thought she wasn’t serious since she raps about farts, but she actually was. Yikes. She’s a user. She uses people to her advantage. She’s terrible
Not enough questions were asked prior. Just simple questions...ans as an adult you always have your own, don't give anyone a way in to feed nor starve you.
Cleo: What would I have to pay for ? Ice: Nothing, you're with me, you're good. Cleo: Can I pay for them to take my bags too Ice: They're my security, they work for me
@@MsCarringtonsUA-cam Explain her album sales then. And her bot comments and likes getting removed. And her losing followers by the thousands everyday. And everything else going on. She's flopping and you just don't wanna hear the truth
One thing Ice Spice DID end up doing is making Cleotrapa famous. She has never had this much attention on her before and she has been rapping for years. If I were her, I would capitalize on the opportunity and release a banging diss track. But about Ice Spice, we all don't like her now but all it would take is one hit to bring her back to the forefront.
Ok but she lied and treated her like shit and then proceeded to be ugly and nasty instead of apologizing. Maybe that’s just business but she can also call ice spice out on it
Ice spice is not a girls girl and I feel like she never was.. The girl always singing about taking someone man and the with central cee.. And am I the only person who has noticed that ice ruins friendship for the dumbest reasons like her and latto all bc she didn't know a lyric to her song and Nikki bc she thought she was jealous so and so.. My opinion tho
genuinely what is ice hoping to achieve by doing this lol, even if she’s going on a “any publicity is good publicity” route i can’t see anyone deciding to go out and stream y2k because of this beyond a morbid curiosity that’ll last maybe two songs
Good evening: Ice Spice is really becoming a true diva 😯...!! Welp Spice showed us her true colors. Ice Spice need to stop thinking 🤔, she's the best in the world. That's literally what it seems like she believes...!! She's not even all that great JMO..!! Great video 😊
I am going to say this… and it’s being frank… everyone keeps saying Ice spice has pretty privilege and I looked at chiomas thumbnail… and I just have to be frank… Cleo trapa is FARRRR prettier than Ice…. And we need to call a spade a spade… ice spice is just light skin but if you really look at her facial features… she is average at best…. 🤷🏾♀️
I know tons of girls just as pretty as Ice, but she's considered prettier because she's light. As my mom said my grandfather would say (and he was half white): what a poor waste of yellow
Cleo the real, in my opinion. She’s been known on social media before Ice even came out! Especially in NYC. I for real think Ice & Riot are together so of course she gonna listen to her man. I think Ice got these manipulating, money hungry guys controlling her every move - her team. Why invite Cleo on tour last minute and NOT tell her she got to fund her own way!? Sounds like the set up was on Ice side. Cleo is funny, genuine, has style, good music and is a great performer live which they know hence the invite. So again, what was the point of asking Cleo on tour? Of course any artist would jump at the opportunity to open for a bigger artist! The exposure and experience would help Cleo tremendously!. Ice is easy to control, she like, basically has no originality either! Well with everything in showbiz, the famous eventually fade out, fizzle out or die out.
She let all of it get to her head. Now she’s thinking she’s better than everyone else. Sad. Also one thing that bothered be was that she’s using this y2k aesthetic, but nothing she’s done is y2k??? Idk lmao
She’ll have a want to go back to her real hair, natural colour era im not ice spice I want to my actual self era and then wait.. 😬 Then she’ll have to pull a Katy Perry bring back her ginger hair wig she’ll be 37 trying to give nostalgic. Right?
Ice spice should’ve had that girl set up and had her manger reach out to Cleo’s. Ice Spice was petty why tell that girl to come if you were going to degrade her but she did it to use Cleo as a coverup/ pr stunt . But let’s be honest Cleo is just as much as a user too please she knows ice spice is a star and her affiliation with her will help her career .
I think it’s of case of 2 things can be true. Cleo was clearly used by Ice as a token dark skin woman to make people forget about her antics. But Cleo attitude (like expecting people to carry her bag) was not professional. people PAY to be on tour. It’s an opportunity to get money. Who is going to ask her to open now ? Also her management clearly don’t manage nothing.
How is expecting people to carry her bag unprofessional? Did you listen to the story at all? It was raining, the security had already carried Ice's bag. Cleo had to carry it her own through the rain, outside, to the bus. What if someone had stolen her things? This is such a weird and out of touch comment to make. Also, how are her management supposed to handle things when ice literally told her about the tour last minute? Go and watch the videos please before you comment something like this.
@@papertape7911and Cleo’s bag was already carried inside by the security. It wasn’t until they needed to get moving that she had to take it all outside herself.
@@papertape7911 she has her own management, I manage people. I make sure everything is ok for THEM. nobody from ice team should carry Cleo s bag if it’s not part of their contractual obligation. Would you do it ? What if the security get injure lifting Cleo’s bag do you think the insurance will accept friendship as an explanation ? Ice is a new artist she probably doesn’t have the budget to take care of people. I know people love to flex but it is what it is …
She also told Ice upfront when the tour was mentioned, that she would pay what she needed. So, either way it goes, things like that don’t have bad PR for Cleo. If you offer to pay money for services but someone tells you “I got you”, that’s what you expecting lol. That they got you. And Ice didn’t have her unfortunately.
Honestly, mistakes where made by all. The first time ICE made me feel uncomfortable was the last time I needed her on that tour. I would humble myself and keep it pushing. Cleos ego is really too big for an act with 10k listeners and to have exposure to 100s of thousands ain't a small opportunity. HOWEVER, ICE is trash all around. Period
Gurl whet. If somebody invites you to something that don't mean you can invite a whole bunch of people. I don't like ice spice AT ALL and don't agree with nothing she did but if Taylor yt az invited her, why would she invite the whole block BFFR
I'm not gonna jump on the Ice Spice hate train just because everybody else wants to out of nowhere. So Ice Spice still gets my full support. F what all her haters talkin bout.
ik i'll get hate for saying this but even tho what ice did is disgusting (on tour...like tf???) but i dont think shes wrong for calling cleo careerless in response to her calling ice friendless. im not backing ice on anything else, but i hate when people act like bc someone goes lower they are the only person at fault. don't poke the nest if bee stings hurt you...
To me Cleo needs to be hold accountable even though ice is Yr friend paperwork should have been done b4 she came on stage This would have settled the budget issue
Are contracts usually drafted a day prior to leaving for the tour? This is a huge deal for an independent artist. It's easy to say she shouldn't have went when you're not an artist trying to get your music out there. Her and Ice had history and were friends. She trusted her friend's word. Of course hindsight is 20/20
Am I the ONLY person who thought that Ice Spice actually did not owe Cleopatra ANYTHING! She is not her manager or her record label. She is not her keeper. The fact that she even gave her a PLATFORM was ENOUGH! She owes her NOTHING! Especially if she was expected to come out of pocket! This is a skewed video because SHE OWES NO ONE NOTHING! She does NOT have to Promote, PAY or share her fame with ANYONE, especially when she still struggling herself. She is not as famous as she was a few years ago. So this is just putting blame on someone who is still in the struggle herself. She is on her way out, how she going pay someone else's way!?
@@DatPizzaGurl YASSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Girl I LISTENED INTENTLY TOTALLY! DID YOU!!!!!!!!!????? This was about Ice Spice inviting her friend on tour with her but NOT paying her way. Are we on the same page so far? SHE DOES NOT OWE HER ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NADA!!!!! She did not HAVE TO INVITE HER TO TOUR WITH HER AT ALL!!!!!! This was not a JOB, this was a ONE-UP! That means she gave her friend an opportunity. Now, what happened during that opportunity may not sound fair, but this was NOT an employee or some contracted performer she had to pay. Are we still on the same page? I mean yes, it sounds bad, but it is because it was set up the way it was. Otherwise her friend would have had protections. I only say this because I am singer from WAY BACK IN THE DAY and there were whole albums I sang on and got nothing but a mere name mention. It is the industry baby. And I think Ice Spice own career is not that great right now, so that could also have much to do with the poor treatment her friend received. She could just be a villain, but she IS struggling her own self right now losing followers on the daily...
You're not the only one gurl. But def in the minority. It's not about Ice owing Cleo anything, but the late invite, Ice even told Cleo that she's gonma be accomodated. She was also her friend, like come on! Friends take care each other.
Ice Spice will get through this ! She's just going through her Hate Train Era like all other celebrities have had at least once. So she'll be okay ! No one will ever make me hate you Ice Spice ! So Keep going strong and keep making that bread ! 🔥💯🔥✌🏾🙏🏾💪🏾
This is why executives hate signing girls/women.... women are more expensive because of hair and makeup and outfit changes and new weaves etc... but beyond that, someone wil give you the opportunity to be part of their tour and perform in front of 1000's of people and you'll think its shady to not give you more time to prep. Yall will expect the tour management to treat you like equals and move at your behest. Upcoming artists used to follow the main tour bus in a beaten down corolla just for the opportunity to be part of the bigger tour. Way too entitled. Ice might be a mean girl but expecting the tor staff to treat you like your name is selling tickets on the tour is WILD.
u must be slow because 1. men also have things like alcohol, food, chains etc being paid for 2. cleo didn’t expect of u watched the video it was literally said that ice PROMISED that she would be taken care of from her hotel rooms to food
I'm not gonna jump on the Ice Spice hate train just people everybody else wants to out of nowhere. So Ice Spice still gets my full support. F what all her haters talkin bout.
None of this baseless meaningless unimportant made up drama is going to make me hate Ice Spice at all. Every celebrity has had their Hate Train Era where they get shtted on endlessly sometimes for no reason at all. So I don't care about any of this random bashing towards Ice Spice. She's still successful at the end of the day so nothing else matters 🙂😊
Ice is threatened my Cleo because Cleo actually has talent, style, personality. She’s the whole package 📦 Ice knows shes a plant 🪴 🥲 that messed 😉with the right guy. She knows she has no talent.
A “villain” era before a “successful era” is crazy.
RIGHT I gagged at that title ✋🏼😭
Right, should we REALLY call it a “ villain era “..
she just rude
The Shocker from spider-man ps4
Girl please 🙄 Do you not see all of the loads of deals, endorsements, sponsorships, and contracts that Ice Spice has gotten !? She's ALREADY SUCCESSFUL !!! 😂😂😂
Just based off the title. I feel like the only way to be a villain. Is if the talent is immaculate. Kanye, Nicki, 50, hell even Kendrick, can be villains because the TALENT is there. Someone like Ice doesn’t come off as a villain, more like a bully. Cause she can’t back NOTHING up
You’re so right
Not Nicki.
@@SideEyeee_ why?
@@SideEyeee_she’s the best female rapper of all time and there’s nobody even close to her
I don't agree. Just because ice spice is still early in her career doesn't make her untalented.
Something didn't sit well with me when she invited Flo Milli at her Hot97 performance soon after being accused of gaining from "light skin pretty privilege', it felt calculated, hoped I was wrong though
You’re absolutely right and I peeped. Then Flo came out and said don’t martyr her again. Flo Milli didn’t wanna be the spokesperson on this subject bc quite frankly she is happy at her level and or doesn’t have the depth to talk about it. I’m happy Cleo spoke up.
And its hilarious bc taylor swift did the same thing to ice spice. News about taylor's then bf matty healy calling ice spice a chubby chinese lady -> taylor cosigns ice and gets her ona remix 😂
And the pretty part is questionable
@@vegannn7178 I know, right
@@vegannn7178exactly I get surpried when ppl say ice spice benefits from pretty privilege💀at this point american standards of beauty for a bw to be accepted is being radially ambiguous it doesn't matter how average looking or unattractive looking you are as long as you are ambiguous
Imma be honest. I think that once she got the co-sign from Taylor Swift & Nicki Minaj she really started smelling herself. Ion think she was ever a girls girl fr just using ppl for business which is what exactly what happened to Cleo. Now if I were Cleo I wouldn’t have went on this “tour” anyway but ice is fake asf and bogus in how she treated her friend. Tbh with everything ice has just been digging deeper and deeper holes for herself there hasn’t been any good press since them text messages dropped. I think her career will definitely fizzle tf out I can’t say exactly when but..if she continues on this path ice will be melted
Yup!
Give it bout 3 years shell be irrelevant
I’m actually surprised that Cleo is actually getting a lot of support to be honest. Because you know how the community/culture is when it comes to black women so I feel like things are changing for the better. Because I spice is like a pretty popular light skin girl and Cleo is just like a dark skin not as known artist who isn’t hyped in the media because of her looks
*mixed race
Cleo is getting sympathy points
Ice spice is not pretty
@@Justscrollinbro tru
She wanted to keep Cleo "in her place". 🙄 I'm sure all girls know someone like this. I do.
Nicki do be living in your head rent free🤡
@@eeqrthwho mentioned Nicki? Literally she didn’t even say Nicki in her comment?
@@Imjesshere😂😂😂😂😂lmfaooo
@@eeqrth the projection is WILD 💀
@@Imjesshere it’s literally obv who she is insinuating..
Always enjoy your commentary. This situation was terrible. Also Ice Spice’s manager rubbing it in Cleo’s face that she made a bad decision was crazy to me. Telling her what she should of did after the fact is just insane.
Its real tho Cleo manager wasn't doing there job
@@User-q8d9jneither was ices? ☠️ how did they see cleo, constantly go out of their way to make sure she knows she’s not on the budget and at no point send her home or get in touch with her manager? he explained how the business side of all that works and it showed he didn’t do his job either
@@niyalostctrl because from a business side they thought they were doing it better being free and they can use her to clean ice's image
Fame DON'T change people 🗣💯 it brings the truth out of them
She’s more a failed villain who failed to do her job. She doesn’t have any sidekicks, or defenders on her side.
i remember thinking (like pretty much everybody else) that ice spice was such a sweetheart when she first came out because i found it charming how soft spoken she was. in retrospect, i think she might just be a little awkward lol. she’s always either putting on a character or seeming incredibly uncomfortable and like she doesn’t know what to do with herself. her awkwardness was misread as humility, but her ego is 100% and hasn’t been earned yet.
100% agree
She seems awkward. However we do not personally know her, so I would not trust any of this.
yea part of her brand at the beginning was her being unproblematic, dropping bops and minding her business, it hurt her likability when she started with people like Latto and Cardi for no reason
Maybe she changed
Exactly..
She's always been like this . It's just now being seen.
Bro most of girls are fake projecting female unity cuz it looks good for optics but y’all aren’t ready for this conversation
Shit sometimes imma vacuum too
Ain’t that what you’re supposed to do when you’re at a restaurant? 😭
Exactly that comment was strange af
Exactly. If I invite you out for dinner, I expect you to eat like a vacuum
@@szacntrlright, make the food disappear! I pay a fee to vacuum 😂🤣
Gurl every normal person is.
Unfortunately, she let the fame get to her. You can literally see ice become more nore stuck up overtime.
But I believe a lot of girls in the industry are like this but they are hiding it. I don’t like ice spice nor do I agree with her, but I don’t agree to this idea that female rappers needs to be girls girls and a lot of women aren’t. I know for facts a lot of girls in the industry are fake asf but they showing of female unity cuz that what women want to see, even though we don’t hold that standard to our own lives.
She was always like this
Cleo has a genuine personality, talent and been grinding trying to make it on her own, so ice spice can’t relate because she had everything given to her when they propped her up . Ice spice was just quiet , it does not mean she was a nice person . She reminds me of those mean girls from school , such insecurities so they treat others like garbage . Ice spice doesn’t have any real friends because she is not a real friend to anyone . She has no talent or a relatable personality and I don’t think she really has any female friends . You don’t have to have a bunch of friends but when you don’t have any real friends something is wrong with them .
I knew who Cleotrapa was before I ever heard of Ice Spice. I never was checking for Ice’s music before but saw her with Cleo & since I liked Cleo I started listening to a couple Ice Spice songs. After hearing Cleo’s story I’m not going to support Ice Spice anymore because I’m riding with my fellow BW. Cleo was being mistreated terribly on the tour but stayed because of the opportunity to perform which I can understand.
Cleo really got ice together on this one
Cleo was on her mood board since she was in high school lol
Evil era is crazy when you just popped off last year
Well said. No talent, just ego & narcissism for Icey.
her text receipts were nails on the coffin i fear……… that was disgusting and nasty energy she was like pleased with herself that Cleo finally showed she was upset at the treatment & isis thought she could further get some hits in esp disrespecting her by accusing her of cheating on her bf with her “ favorite eater “- Ice just exposed herself with projection. She likely has her own “favorite eaters” in diff cities as she accused Cleo (when Cleo has a whole boyfriend AND a doggy fur-son at home) - she just wanted to throw punches in at Cleo sooo bad bc the whole time she was lowkey about it, she rlly tried and failed
I remember listening to the Joe Budden podcast and them saying that labels do not care account for people that are not any benefit to them and fine, that makes sense Cleo is not a big artist or anyone that will bring new audience to Ice and that usually when you are an opener you got a Hustle everything there is for the main attraction not for you so okay, understandable but...what Ice SHOULD have done if that was her FRIEND is to say my label don't want to help you out they're not going to pay for anything, they don't want to help you out... do you still want to go?, then Cleo would have been prepared SIMPLE!.
This was Cleo’s first time essentially, “spending the night” with Ice-and it was a horror movie. Like a Miami girl’s trip
LMFAO someone on twitter said ice is the type of girl u don’t take on the Miami trip 😭
@@DatPizzaGurl Truer words! Ice is dangerous
I would have accepted the opportunity as an independent artist, but I would have got my team involved. The first moment I seen that Ice didn’t keep her word for various things. I would have STOPPED texting /calling her. It would have became a promotional tour for me. I wouldn’t have been backstage, I’d be with the fans making TikTok’s, pics, etc.
I would have played the whole thing off so good and put ice in my back pocket once I discovered she’s not really my friend. Stop reacting with emotion.
Read “The 48 Laws of Power” by Robert Greene
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I would have came out on later dates and used the first week to get management and preparation.
she tried to get her team involved after ice started acting weird but ice said she couldn’t since there was no space for her assistant on the bus and cleo didn’t even have her own hotel room to herself to be bringing people into a room that isn’t hers, she was staying with the hairstylist
Yeah it’s very easy to talk about what you would do in a situation that you’ve never experienced and will never be in lol
cleo said she didnt realize she was dark and demonic untill being around her 24/7 on the tour.. because before they would only hang out at events only disagreement w this video
Imagine how ironic it is feeling like the shit when you're literally a fart yourself lol
Hey girl ! ✨❤️✨
Pretty dope to see the youtube girls linkin up
Hey boo! 💗💅🏽✨
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Don't forget that time Ice retweeted Cleo's lyrics trying shade Cardi and hardly stopped the comments from going in on Cleo when she was just innocently promoting her music.
Cleo Might Sign To Heavy On It Now😂
That I’d like to see!
hopefully not god bless
I hope Nicki signs her, it was Clownish to attempt to sign ice. Yes Ice was popular but very talentless
@@vegannn7178 nicki just wanted the light skin for marketing😂
@@ElijahMCMalik you probably right, she knows the game already
im in my vacuum era permanently
She has not been in the industry long enough to be a villain nor is she talented hell she wasn’t even suppose to make it this far
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also if they were friends , why did ice and cleo never make a song together? red flag in itself as cleo is a rapper too
She doesn’t really have a say in that tbh
Grumpy Spice
She didn’t say it was dark the entire two years. She actually said it wasn’t, but that this was most intimate their time spent had ever been without break. It had never been more than ~ 10 hours in a given day
She's showing her true colours after she's gotten where she wants to be thus far
nicki minaj and doja cat are still loved because they cant be replaced and genuinely have talent.....ice spice on the other hand
Ice audience is mostly kids. As sad as that is,it’s true. They don’t care about Cleotrapa. Boys a Liar is probably the only song I paid attention too. But best believe,If I was given the opportunity to tour with a big name,I would happily carry my own bags,drop them in the mud to take pics with fans,order Uber eats if I were hungry,hide my credit cards,and take the time to catch up on my social media or sleep on the bus while waiting for this so-called friend to bless us with her presence. Cleo kept saying she was confused by the attitudes and just had a whatever attitude. That shows a weak personality that probably isn’t ready for this cut throat business! Ice will probably do OF and make 50 million dollars. She’s set up that way.
seeing as i was a fan of cleo’s before i ever knew who ice spice was, it’s not gonna be hard for me to give her the uplifting she deserves
I doubt they were ever friends so stop calling them friends
They called themselves friends though😂😂😂
Exactly 💯 People in the industry always use the word friend loosely. So just because they called themselves friends doesn't mean they were legit friends like they grew up together or nothing.
Oh & I was waiting for your commentary on this so thank you for posting!
Ice won’t get the same “separate the art from the artist” treatment as artists like Kanye and Doja because nobody respects her as an actual artist. They have the talent to make people not give a fuck, she doesn’t. She makes it really easy to not listen to her when Riot’s beats are carrying the whole song
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I don't think ice has that much of a personality. She's more of just a brand and she knows that, which makes her jealous of other music artists.
I've heard a lot of people talk about Cleo and why they were friends despite the datk energy. But to me it's obvious that she felt this energy during the tour when ice stopped being her friends or showed her real self.
9:50 is when i clicked off. for you to say this, tells me you *did not watch all 6 parts in full* this analysis is inaccurate.
Ice looks like a mean girl. But I’m older and have had run ins
People are wasting their lives. Imagine having a best friend who also does rap? That would be fun
Yeahhh....go ahead and photoshop her out of the painting NEEEOOWWW
I don’t agree with ice spice in this situation AT ALL. But why do we hold female rappers to these up standards that most of y’all don’t uphold in your own life. Most of y’all love baddies and the real housewives and love and hip hop where women treat each other like rubbish. Mainly women watch programmes tearing other women down. But in female rap, women need to be girl girls. I don’t get it, I think women are projecting what they women to be in female solidarity that most of y’all don’t even uphold in real life….
What’s the point bringing someone on tour when you’re going to humiliate them like this? Ew. I used to like ice spice too. Didn’t like her music, but I thought she was pretty and had a good personality. Boy was I wrongggggggg. She is a terrible friend and all the respect I had for her is gone. I really only liked her because I thought she wasn’t serious since she raps about farts, but she actually was. Yikes. She’s a user. She uses people to her advantage. She’s terrible
i screamed when i saw Jesse Jo Stark 🖤
Not enough questions were asked prior. Just simple questions...ans as an adult you always have your own, don't give anyone a way in to feed nor starve you.
Cleo: What would I have to pay for ?
Ice: Nothing, you're with me, you're good.
Cleo: Can I pay for them to take my bags too
Ice: They're my security, they work for me
She's the definition of "letting fame get to your head". And now she's paying the price by flopping and losing fame
Just because she's getting some hate from some boring people online does not mean that she is flopping. Ice spice is still successful nonetheless.
@@MsCarringtonsUA-cam Explain her album sales then. And her bot comments and likes getting removed. And her losing followers by the thousands everyday. And everything else going on. She's flopping and you just don't wanna hear the truth
she’s a narcissist
One thing Ice Spice DID end up doing is making Cleotrapa famous. She has never had this much attention on her before and she has been rapping for years. If I were her, I would capitalize on the opportunity and release a banging diss track. But about Ice Spice, we all don't like her now but all it would take is one hit to bring her back to the forefront.
Cleo been famous from comedy videos/ skits etc LONG BEFORE Ice EVER had clout. 😂😂 How you think she got her following/ support?
Let’s acknowledge 1) this was about business, where they both used or tried to eachother and 2) the girl could of said no too late
Sounds like normal business to me they have strict budgets. That’s a big opportunity in itself I think she’s only mad cause it didn’t bang
Ok but she lied and treated her like shit and then proceeded to be ugly and nasty instead of apologizing. Maybe that’s just business but she can also call ice spice out on it
Them drugs took ice down bad she look sick now💯
She looked prettier when she first came out
@@alkahinat4558 that’s a lie💯
Ice spice is not a girls girl and I feel like she never was.. The girl always singing about taking someone man and the with central cee.. And am I the only person who has noticed that ice ruins friendship for the dumbest reasons like her and latto all bc she didn't know a lyric to her song and Nikki bc she thought she was jealous so and so.. My opinion tho
Dont know this cleo girly but she looks like theres actually something to her lol, might check her out
*flop era 😂
genuinely what is ice hoping to achieve by doing this lol, even if she’s going on a “any publicity is good publicity” route i can’t see anyone deciding to go out and stream y2k because of this beyond a morbid curiosity that’ll last maybe two songs
Good evening: Ice Spice is really becoming a true diva 😯...!! Welp Spice showed us her true colors. Ice Spice need to stop thinking 🤔, she's the best in the world. That's literally what it seems like she believes...!! She's not even all that great JMO..!! Great video 😊
I am going to say this… and it’s being frank… everyone keeps saying Ice spice has pretty privilege and I looked at chiomas thumbnail… and I just have to be frank… Cleo trapa is FARRRR prettier than Ice…. And we need to call a spade a spade… ice spice is just light skin but if you really look at her facial features… she is average at best…. 🤷🏾♀️
I know tons of girls just as pretty as Ice, but she's considered prettier because she's light. As my mom said my grandfather would say (and he was half white): what a poor waste of yellow
Cleo the real, in my opinion. She’s been known on social media before Ice even came out! Especially in NYC. I for real think Ice & Riot are together so of course she gonna listen to her man. I think Ice got these manipulating, money hungry guys controlling her every move - her team. Why invite Cleo on tour last minute and NOT tell her she got to fund her own way!? Sounds like the set up was on Ice side. Cleo is funny, genuine, has style, good music and is a great performer live which they know hence the invite. So again, what was the point of asking Cleo on tour? Of course any artist would jump at the opportunity to open for a bigger artist! The exposure and experience would help Cleo tremendously!.
Ice is easy to control, she like, basically has no originality either!
Well with everything in showbiz, the famous eventually fade out, fizzle out or die out.
Ice and Cleo have been friends for 2 years, they didn’t meet “a day prior” to the stream with Kai Cenat.
I feel like people talk down to her, but she is actually judging them and smiling the whole time.
Her music isn’t even that good she had one good song and is trying to live off it
She let all of it get to her head. Now she’s thinking she’s better than everyone else. Sad. Also one thing that bothered be was that she’s using this y2k aesthetic, but nothing she’s done is y2k??? Idk lmao
Just hate me for this! But I lowkey feel like we can’t separate the art from the artist bc the art IS the artist.
Ice spice isn't a nice person and she's a bully
She’ll have a want to go back to her real hair, natural colour era im not ice spice I want to my actual self era and then wait.. 😬
Then she’ll have to pull a Katy Perry bring back her ginger hair wig she’ll be 37 trying to give nostalgic. Right?
Ice spice should’ve had that girl set up and had her manger reach out to Cleo’s. Ice Spice was petty why tell that girl to come if you were going to degrade her but she did it to use Cleo as a coverup/ pr stunt . But let’s be honest Cleo is just as much as a user too please she knows ice spice is a star and her affiliation with her will help her career .
Don't be w3ird please Ice Spice is a tragedy waiting to happen.. so stop with "villain era" before "success era"😂😂
damn
You gotta have power and influence to be a villain she never gave herself the chance for that shes just a scrub
What makes you so sure it's just an era? You know her personally? Too bad all this didn't go down before the album, might have helped the sales.
who the girl in blue hair
Villain? 😂 don’t make me laugh
Ice is a cartoon
I think it’s of case of 2 things can be true. Cleo was clearly used by Ice as a token dark skin woman to make people forget about her antics.
But Cleo attitude (like expecting people to carry her bag) was not professional. people PAY to be on tour. It’s an opportunity to get money. Who is going to ask her to open now ?
Also her management clearly don’t manage nothing.
How is expecting people to carry her bag unprofessional? Did you listen to the story at all? It was raining, the security had already carried Ice's bag. Cleo had to carry it her own through the rain, outside, to the bus. What if someone had stolen her things? This is such a weird and out of touch comment to make. Also, how are her management supposed to handle things when ice literally told her about the tour last minute? Go and watch the videos please before you comment something like this.
@@papertape7911and Cleo’s bag was already carried inside by the security. It wasn’t until they needed to get moving that she had to take it all outside herself.
@@papertape7911 she has her own management, I manage people. I make sure everything is ok for THEM. nobody from ice team should carry Cleo s bag if it’s not part of their contractual obligation. Would you do it ?
What if the security get injure lifting Cleo’s bag do you think the insurance will accept friendship as an explanation ? Ice is a new artist she probably doesn’t have the budget to take care of people. I know people love to flex but it is what it is …
She also told Ice upfront when the tour was mentioned, that she would pay what she needed. So, either way it goes, things like that don’t have bad PR for Cleo. If you offer to pay money for services but someone tells you “I got you”, that’s what you expecting lol. That they got you. And Ice didn’t have her unfortunately.
That’s what she gets for going on ozempic and being a terrible musician
Honestly, mistakes where made by all. The first time ICE made me feel uncomfortable was the last time I needed her on that tour. I would humble myself and keep it pushing. Cleos ego is really too big for an act with 10k listeners and to have exposure to 100s of thousands ain't a small opportunity. HOWEVER, ICE is trash all around. Period
Gurl whet. If somebody invites you to something that don't mean you can invite a whole bunch of people. I don't like ice spice AT ALL and don't agree with nothing she did but if Taylor yt az invited her, why would she invite the whole block BFFR
I'm not gonna jump on the Ice Spice hate train just because everybody else wants to out of nowhere. So Ice Spice still gets my full support. F what all her haters talkin bout.
Not really out of nowhere when you have evidence, lol
Cleo lightweight looks like a young fox boogie
ik i'll get hate for saying this but even tho what ice did is disgusting (on tour...like tf???) but i dont think shes wrong for calling cleo careerless in response to her calling ice friendless. im not backing ice on anything else, but i hate when people act like bc someone goes lower they are the only person at fault. don't poke the nest if bee stings hurt you...
To me Cleo needs to be hold accountable even though ice is Yr friend paperwork should have been done b4 she came on stage
This would have settled the budget issue
Are contracts usually drafted a day prior to leaving for the tour? This is a huge deal for an independent artist. It's easy to say she shouldn't have went when you're not an artist trying to get your music out there. Her and Ice had history and were friends. She trusted her friend's word. Of course hindsight is 20/20
@@katybrad5369 yh u are right ✅
I honestly don’t understand the hate she’s experiencing right now.
All of it is meaningless. It's just random baseless drama that was fabricated overnight. It'll all be over sooner or later too.
Spice ain't even all that and she sees Taylor as an accessory? Lmao
Am I the ONLY person who thought that Ice Spice actually did not owe Cleopatra ANYTHING! She is not her manager or her record label. She is not her keeper. The fact that she even gave her a PLATFORM was ENOUGH! She owes her NOTHING! Especially if she was expected to come out of pocket! This is a skewed video because SHE OWES NO ONE NOTHING! She does NOT have to Promote, PAY or share her fame with ANYONE, especially when she still struggling herself. She is not as famous as she was a few years ago. So this is just putting blame on someone who is still in the struggle herself. She is on her way out, how she going pay someone else's way!?
That wasn’t even the point tho. Did you even hear the story?
@@DatPizzaGurl YASSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Girl I LISTENED INTENTLY TOTALLY! DID YOU!!!!!!!!!????? This was about Ice Spice inviting her friend on tour with her but NOT paying her way. Are we on the same page so far? SHE DOES NOT OWE HER ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NADA!!!!! She did not HAVE TO INVITE HER TO TOUR WITH HER AT ALL!!!!!! This was not a JOB, this was a ONE-UP! That means she gave her friend an opportunity. Now, what happened during that opportunity may not sound fair, but this was NOT an employee or some contracted performer she had to pay. Are we still on the same page? I mean yes, it sounds bad, but it is because it was set up the way it was. Otherwise her friend would have had protections. I only say this because I am singer from WAY BACK IN THE DAY and there were whole albums I sang on and got nothing but a mere name mention. It is the industry baby. And I think Ice Spice own career is not that great right now, so that could also have much to do with the poor treatment her friend received. She could just be a villain, but she IS struggling her own self right now losing followers on the daily...
You're not the only one gurl. But def in the minority. It's not about Ice owing Cleo anything, but the late invite, Ice even told Cleo that she's gonma be accomodated. She was also her friend, like come on! Friends take care each other.
Lice Spice is a joke and will not be the it girl within a couple years
She can’t rap and she definitely doesn’t make lasting music
Sexyy red is next…
Ice Spice will get through this ! She's just going through her Hate Train Era like all other celebrities have had at least once. So she'll be okay ! No one will ever make me hate you Ice Spice ! So Keep going strong and keep making that bread ! 🔥💯🔥✌🏾🙏🏾💪🏾
At this point 'Hate Train' is a compliment that is highly undeserving of this talentless hack. Let's not insult the talented & great Nicki Minaj.
You’re the kind of woman she would dog out, yet here you are caping wildly 😂😂😂
This is why executives hate signing girls/women.... women are more expensive because of hair and makeup and outfit changes and new weaves etc... but beyond that, someone wil give you the opportunity to be part of their tour and perform in front of 1000's of people and you'll think its shady to not give you more time to prep. Yall will expect the tour management to treat you like equals and move at your behest.
Upcoming artists used to follow the main tour bus in a beaten down corolla just for the opportunity to be part of the bigger tour. Way too entitled.
Ice might be a mean girl but expecting the tor staff to treat you like your name is selling tickets on the tour is WILD.
u must be slow because 1. men also have things like alcohol, food, chains etc being paid for
2. cleo didn’t expect of u watched the video it was literally said that ice PROMISED that she would be taken care of from her hotel rooms to food
Right, but she took care of the other guest artists…who happened to be men. Male logic is WILD.
I'm not gonna jump on the Ice Spice hate train just people everybody else wants to out of nowhere. So Ice Spice still gets my full support. F what all her haters talkin bout.
* just because everybody
None of this baseless meaningless unimportant made up drama is going to make me hate Ice Spice at all. Every celebrity has had their Hate Train Era where they get shtted on endlessly sometimes for no reason at all. So I don't care about any of this random bashing towards Ice Spice. She's still successful at the end of the day so nothing else matters 🙂😊
Ice is threatened my Cleo because Cleo actually has talent, style, personality. She’s the whole package 📦 Ice knows shes a plant 🪴 🥲 that messed 😉with the right guy. She knows she has no talent.