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Is Two Hours a day good or should I do more. College just sucks so much g dang time
@@MeatbagYourBuddy i would say if you can manage to do 2 hours you're a god. I really should do that too haha
@@gergoretvari6373 it helps to have no social life lol
@@MeatbagYourBuddy yeah, don't have a really active one either, im just lazy af lmao
@@gergoretvari6373 I practice a lot more since I moved it to the front room. I basically just chill on my couch and play guitar as I watch shit.
I was literally telling my father YESTERDAY that he still had the chance to follow his childhood dreams and learn the guitar. Bro just crushed his dreams in a single sentence.
Your dad can still do it. It is true that the younger you are, the easier and faster it is to learn something, but starting at 50+ is still very much possible.
I teach people in their 50s, and it’s tougher but they can be doing Metallica James parts within a year
If your father is retired and has enough free time he probably can learn faster than I can. It's harder, not impossible.
You have to understand him tho. As we get older we aim a little lower. Our priorities change, and we get fixated on different things. Maybe he knows his tendencies and does see a likelihood in being that committed to the craft. Never impossible, but acknowledgement of the levels of one’s wits nevertheless
As a past time , there ain't no age limit ... to turn pro, he past it
As a trombonist and guitarist this is an absolute win
Fr!? Tbh it's incredibly easy to play well, but very hard to play excellent. On the other hand, it's the absolute easiest instrument to learn to read music with. It's intuitive as heck
I never knew that the trombone was considered a tougher instrument to learn and play. Shoutout fellow trombonist/guitarist players!
Same bro
TROMBONE GUITAR DUAL WIELDERS RISE UP!
YO I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE
As a former trombone player. It is like playing a fretless guitar but you change notes based on how you pick.
Very accurate
True. I also play trombone.
@BUFF MINER 💀
@@devilshark6694 kinda? i mean the slide is write but imagine the slide whistle changing its tone depending on how you blow into it. if you dont have good Embouchure* the tone is going to be bad. also depending on the size of your aperture** you can raise or lower the pitch.
*Embourchure; the usage of lips and facial muscles to play a wind instrument.
**aperture; size of the gap in which air flows from the mouth to the instrument.
Great I don't like its sound, thus never gonna be tempted to learn it lol.
Im 59 today. I started guitar three years ago and I love it.
Exactly! Don't hear this stupid guy
Keep it up 💯
Definitely point number 4 needs to be revised. When you are older you can grasp musical conceits better abd the only difference is most people stop learning new things after school so if you are learning all the time you are still keeping the learning skill going.,
@@GlitteratiRiotneuroplasticity
I’m 57 and starting right now.
Upside though is that relearning songs you forgot is pretty easy. Also guitar is one of those instruments you can mindlessly play once you get the technique down so if you’re sitting on the couch watching tv, pick up your 6 string and pick away at it.
As a guitarist, I really think being a very skilled drummer is harder than being a very skilled guitarist
As another guitarist of 7 years I disagree but respect your opinion😭
Idk I don’t play the drums but I’d imagine drumming is really difficult to master because of requiring great coordination, tempo and timing but I would imagine guitar is still harder because it demands for you to have really good knowledge of scales and the fretboard as well as you having basically practiced every single technique and a good ear
@Sleepless for me the tempo and timing is kinda perfect for me since I apparently have perfect timing, though it's the coordination and limb independence that is the most difficult
You're entirely right. Bass is also harder to get *good* at- you might think it's easier because no chords and stuff, but you CANNOT be sloppy at all and you have to carry the entire song as you're the foundation. Also, a guitarist can sound 'good' just playing open chords, but a bassist sounds bad and boring if they only play root.
i play both and would say drums are absolutely harder
i've been playing drums longer and am better at drums than guitar so maybe i'm biased but i just had a much harder time learning them than guitar
As a guitarist and pianist, I would say the vast majority of piano songs are easier than guitar, but, once you start playing complex piano pieces, then I find it significantly much more difficult than complex songs on guitar.
I think it depends how you define 'complex' - I'd definitely argue that at an advanced level, all instruments are equal in difficulty. Of course, piano has particularly difficult repertoire in the classical sphere (look no further than Gaspard de la Nuit, Liszt's Transcedental Etudes, Beethoven's Hammerklavier), but, especially now, there are many equally difficult to master songs/pieces on guitar, to say nothing of classical guitar music. :)
Songs that are super complex on guitar, are just as hard as complex piano pieces. One is a string instrument, with its own difficulties and the other is a key instrument, with its own difficulties. Many piano songs can't be arranged on guitar because they are impossible to play on the guitar.
Try something by Joaquin rodrigo and then see if your opinion changes. Every instrument is exactly as hard at the highest level, because people push their respective instruments to the absolute limits.
No offense to guitarists, there are a lot of incredibly great and talented guitarists out there. But piano is more complex and more sophisticated in a lot of ways.
@@juliamay2156 Pianist here, huge disagree. Guitar is honestly just as complex - look at various people playing with harmonics, multiple melodic lines (keep in mind, piano has the benefit of being linear and two-handed here), movable frets (microtonality), tapping, etc. and you'll see both are equal in complexity - not like it matters, anyway!
The reason younger people can learn so much fast is due to the steady production or myelin in a developing brain (the material that insulates neurons). As we get older we make less of it and really just maintain our current amount. Moral is if you are a younger person, get off the games get off the TV and start learning useful and lifelong fulfilling skills because you don't have forever. Even if you are older it will only get harder the longer you wait.
As a trombonist who plays guitar I feel like I am finally being recognized 😄
bro I'm also a trombonist who plays guitar
@Alexander Steinfort let's go we are the best type of musicians now😎
same here bro, we the best thooo
I never played trombone but I was wondering why it’s so hard
While the first two are true, I do want to note that it's much easier to learn things again the second time than it is to learn from scratch. So I'm fine forgetting songs knowing that if I want to pick them up again it'll take like 1/2 the time at most. Sometimes like 1/10 the time.
Yeah that muscle memory really does stick
Yeah you don't really forget them. 30 years can pass and you may still remember it with one look at the sheet music
I agree.
My dad hadn't played guitar in 10 years, and when he got me my guitar I watched him remember everything over the course of an hour and it was awesome
Some instruments are easier than others to learn but ALL instruments are very hard to be really good at. If you look at the basics of any instrument it’ll look simple but getting in to good technique, speed, endurance, and overall sound quality it can be really hard to be good at any instrument
I did violin for three years as my school had mariachi. It bugs me to no end that within those three years I became a much better violin player than I am a guitar player after many years. Goes to show what having a good teacher gets you rather than going off of self taught.
i truly believe playing violin in an orchestra is easier than guitar
@@tishe5269 you’re mostly wrong. Anyone who plays in a professional orchestra has been playing the violin for at least 20 years. And not just “playing”, but practicing, studying with a teacher, and really perfecting their craft. I would argue any violinist in a professional orchestra is better at their instrument than 99% of “professional guitarists”.
And that’s not to put down anyone who plays in a band or anything at all, it’s just that the classical music world is so absurdly competitive and difficult to get into, you have to be in the top .1% in the world to even make a decent wage
I’ve played violin for almost 7 years now. Just got a guitar today and I have to say this really boosted my confidence 👍
As someone who plays many instruments guitar is way easier to get good at then drums
wrong
@@mrcrankyrooster its definitely subjective then
Drums is so much easier I could get a good beat going in under 5 mins with the drums
Opinion: Guitar is way more precision based so I think it's harder
@@circumcizednun1814if you’re basing it off one metric than sure
1 and 2 are too true😭🥲
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As a guitar player who previously played trombone I 100% agree with this
As a violinist, a guitarist, and ukulele player and a pianist, I see this as an absolute win.
I’ve been playing trombone for like 15 years and I thought guitar was wayyy harder
Fr trombone is pretty easy
i’ve played viola for 4 years and guitar is so much harder
@@thatbloodypanda6989 yeah absolutely. The hardest part was just getting the positions down and hitting high notes for me
@@tose5566 Precisely. Once you've got the positions down, it's pretty smooth sailing.
@@tose5566When i was a beginner there was tape on the spots where notes were and as i got more experienced i just took them off. And since the strings aren’t very long you only have to have muscle memory for a few notes
So happy I started playing when I was 10. Approaching 30 now and still have so much to learn, but I've got a great foundation and I attribute that to my years playing as a teenager 🤘
As someone who is very familiar with brass, and someone who is a trombone/baritone player, I can say it is universally agreed upon that trombone is one of the easiest brass instruments, trumpet and french horn are much harder.
That’s what I’m saying. Low brass is so much easier than high brass. The only hard thing about trombone is getting used to the slide, but that’s not as difficult as people think.
Yeah that’s what I was gonna say I play horn, sax, guitar, trumpet and piano and I say horn is the hardest one to get good at.
I’m 51 and started 8 months ago and love it… but you’ve just crushed my soul 😢
As a guitarist and violinist, I can confirm that the frets help a LOT
I got me a fretted wiolin, thinking fo' sure I'd hit on the winning cheat! Holy Cow, what a let-down that turned out to be...
🦴⤵️🕳️ Now I work with an electric viola, held upright like a kemantche or a kid's cello! Veddy much more nicer!
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“now just leave” always hits hard man.
When I haven't played for 2 weeks I feel like I play better than before...
rest and patience are my guesses.
Burnout break moment
Taking a break can be good for learning. It's been proven that periodically resting helps committing things to long term memory.
It removes habital mistakes.
i feel the same, but only if it's a short period, like less than a month
As a student of trombone and guitar, that fact relaxes me a bit xd
No instrument should be "hard" or "easy" as it defines that learning an instrument ends but it doesnt, you should be always learning
Edit: i do not think that some instruments are not hard I just think it is relative and you can progress to different levels and if you are always learning something (like I say) it will be hard to ever compare it to other instruments you might have less knowledge of
I wouldn't exactly define it like that. If something is hard or easy for you, it really just determines how fast and how often you will make the little successes that you wanted to achieve as a goal. But how many goals you set yourself ist kinda subjective, it could go on forever or stop at any given point. Also, after achieving consistency and confidence in something that was hard, you usually feel more proud about it than after having done something easy. You can and should be proud of any improvement of course, how little it may be, but that's just how the brain is wired. Any way, you will have to always be mindful, plan things out and execute them with great endurance and listen diligently to more advanced people to make serious improvements to a skill. And that will simply forever be hard in its own sense.
I don’t think that’s true, learning is a hard thing in and of itself, doesn’t matter the topic, but that doesn’t mean people just, stop learning or anything. Same thing with guitar, it’s difficult and it doesn’t end, but that’s kind of the beauty of learning an instrument. You get the struggle of learning something new and complex, paired with the catharsis of finally getting it right and a reward of being able to make music, and that cycle literally happens forever. It’s like an always changing, push and pull, tension and release kinda deal, and that’s what music is all about.
I think instruments can be one of these types of things:
Easy to learn, hard to master
Like I think of it as Trombone, Mallet percussion, and guitar. They are all very easy to pick up but difficult to get really good at.
Easy to learn, easy to master
For example, and auxiliary percussion instrument (tambourine, claves, congas, concert bass drum)
They are all very simple to learn and there’s not likely more technique to go off of, like most other instruments.
Hard to learn, easy to master
Idk what would fit this but maybe something like ukulele where it’s hard to start getting stuff down at first but I’ve you can do basic stuff you start to progress a lot more from there.
Hard to learn, hard to master
For example, drumset, French horn, any Orchestral string instrument( violin, viola, cello, bass), and any double Reed instrument (oboe, bassoon)
These instruments are all difficult to start off And get more difficult from there, I would say drum set is probably the easiest of these though.
Id say thats true except the trombone exsists
I play cello, guitar and I used to learn piano and let me tell you that there definitely are differences in difficulty among instruments. Of course learning an instrument never ends, but when it takes 1 year to be able to play less complex songs pretty well on one instrument and 5 years till it stops sounding like a creaking door and remotely resembles music on another, you can safely say they’re not equally difficult to learn.
so true , I started a 50 and haven't been able to get past bar chords and some easy songs.
I started at the age of 18 now i´m 19 and yeah goes pretty well i´m improving every day but wish i started when i was like 12...
I’m 20 and looking to start and I feel you brother. Sure physically I’m better than kid me could’ve been but man I wish I could’ve spent all that free time after school practicing. It’ll be ok tho I can do this, it’ll take dedication but I want it bad
@@mayhem9052yeah, but times goes really fast so don´t worry the best time is now. You will improve really fast. Couldn´t even imagine the level i am a year ago and still i need learn alot of things. I wonder how good i will get :) hope i´ll always have 1-2 hours for practice like now...
@@mayhem9052 dog i started at 24 if you WANT to be scientific about it the human brain finishes development at 26 your 21 now you got some time before the "young age buff" runs out so do i
I started when I was 9 and am going to be 17 in two months and I regret not practicing more and learning new things, but last year I joined my schools band, where I learned a lot of new things. So yeah I think everyone will have some regrets and if you feel comfortable, join a band or play with other people, I found it incredibly helpful in getting better.
Harder doesn't mean impossible folks keep trying..almost 50 here n rockin😊
Bro I thought I was the only person on earth who forgot songs at least I’m not alone now.
The good thing is, at least for me, it’s easier to re-learn it than it was to learn it in the first place!
@@avastapleton853 Exactly, you may get rusty at guitar but whatever you learn will still always be there. It's not like you're starting over again.
I always considered the saxophone and accordion the hardest instruments. There's so many buttons and levers and switches etc. to work with it can get extremely confusing and frustrating.
I always admire people who can play accordion and saxophone.
I was a cellist first and I personally think it was easier than learning guitar. Would love to know if anyone else had a similar experience
I agree completely cello for me atleast instantly made sense but guitar was a much slower and harder process personally
My first instrument was violin and it definitely made learning guitar easier. Wind instruments are harder for me to learn oddly enough.
Guitar isn’t necessarily hard it’s just opening your mind to a different world almost, once you understand scales and all that it’s jus learning your style and getting good at the techniques
It’s all about making the best use of what you do know how to do, and hustling on the fundamentals
Hardest instrument to learn in a traditional band setup Is the drums, guitar, then bass
😂
I agree but in higher forms of music drums start to surpass guitar in skill required
@@snickers6125 like 300bpm blast beats for 2 hours straight
@@Reaper_681 yeah that's hard to accomplish, extreme metal and jazz drumming are harder to do on drums then learn a polyphia song in guitar
@@snickers6125nope
Thank god I’m 23 , couldnt imagine this instrument being anymore difficult than it already is lol - mad fun tho and brings a genuine level of satisfaction when i have it in my hands
I’ve been playing everyday since December and plan on playing everyday I’m alive lol , anyone who plays i hope you have fun with it and exercise your passion as much as possible
I started playing guitar last year. I'm 44 and damn... it's not easy 😅
muscle memory is a life saver though, I don’t play guitar but I can tell you that even if you forget everything, you can get back to your previous skill level WAY faster than if you were just starting, so don’t let forgetting skills keep you from doing stuff
The songs I forget is my phantom pain… I can still feel them… but I can’t play them 😞
I started at 52... like the weeks of your course, and I will not quit...
im playing guitar bass and trombone all at the age of 14 beat that >:3
Aw sheet im also 14, and im only 6 months in learnin guitar
Bros been on the grind since early 👍
Whats the bass like? We have a bass (not mine though) so maybe i should try learning
@@ychiro3754 the bass is definitely easier if you have larger, stronger hands, its also easier for ppl with sausage fingers that cant move their fingers as fast as a guitarist :') ofc i have skinny fingers, so its challenging but i am still able to do it, also once you play a bass for long enough its super weird playing a guitar so if you ever start :') balance your guitar and bass playing lol
When i tried the bass the other day my right hand kept searchin for 2 more strings 💀
Btw I started when i was 12 now but am 13
@@ychiro3754 :') your a guitar player at heart lmao
Well cool, I play both guitar and trombone
As a multi instrumentalist, (drums, guitar, pianist, sining and mallets) here are the easiest to hardest.
1. Piano (not far)
2. Drums (tempo....... its annoying. ESPECIALLY PLAYING SLOOOW, other than that independence is hard also.)
3. Guitar (im not far on the guitar but i feel like its easier than the other ones on top).
4. Mallets (you either het a really easy part or a really hard part. Choose ur poison).
5. Singing. (Apparentley i have been told i am gifted at singing, but its easy.)
I’m 13, have been playing piano for 3 years, ukulele for 1 year, and guitar for 2 days. I’m obviously not very experienced in guitar, but I learn how to play instruments faster than other things, so here’s some of my thoughts.
LEARN UKULELE BEFORE GUITAR. You get the general knowledge of strumming, knowing how to read chord charts, and you build some calluses. I’ve been playing my moms old guitar and have been learning from her old book, and it’s way easier than I would expect. I didn’t get a lot of pain from holding down the strings constantly (that’s almost accurate. I’ve been playing a ton today and yesterday) until this morning, and learning chords was easier. Also because a lot of the “shapes” of chords are the same from uke to guitar, just different notes. G notes on uke are like D notes on guitar, D on uke is like A on guitar, etc. Talking to my mom about when she started playing, she definitely agrees that I’ve picked up on it way faster than she did. I remember a lot of the shapes from ukulele, and I just connect that with the guitar chords. I learned a song already, and it’s sounding pretty good.
I’m really excited to get my own guitar when we have enough money lol
TRUTH 5: BASS IS SUPERIOR!!!!!!!! 😎
I can't agree more with the first truth. I can't even do bar when I started playing guitar for 1 year but then I decided to just keep on practicing doing bar and voila now I can do bar with ease. Just keep on practicing until you hit the note.
Guitar is a difficult instrument because of how it is set up. It is far more difficult to reach the notes and chords you need on guitar than say, a piano. Having to access everything you need across six strings and one fretting hand is difficult. What also makes it difficult is that it’s basically multi tasking. Both hands are doing two entirely different things, at different speeds and times, yet, both have to be perfectly in sync in order for the instrument to work. Having your fretting and picking hands out of syncs is one of the biggest challenges beginners and intermediate players face.
Idk who told you about the hardest instruments to play but it’s complete bs😂
Fr, orchestral instruments are not amongst the hardest to play
@IceColdWaterGaming I know, right? I've literally been playing trombone for 7 years and I was playing in concerts by my third year, it's really not that hard.
@@IceColdWaterTRB no actually my point is there is no measurement of how difficult instruments are. You simply can’t measure it. I play four instruments and I couldn’t tell you which one is the hardest. Maybe it would be trumpet because just like other brass instruments it takes a very long time to master. The muscles around your lips need to be in so much shape that only after playing for about 3 years will your tone be developed enough to sound good. Also if you don’t play trumpet for over a week you’re so out of shape you can barely play, it’s like a sport. On the other hand mastering guitar seems pretty hard to me but I don’t think I’m as much of a natural on the guitar. And piano seems very easy to learn but one of the hardest to master. Then again you don’t have to worry about pitch on the piano or guitar, at least not as much as on the violin or trombone for example. It also depends on the individual. Anyone who tells you one instrument is harder than the other is probably just speaking from his own experience and it doesn’t mean it’s true.
@@arthurmorgan3243exactly. It becomes a jerk off fest at that point 😂
I was 13 when I started playing guitar. Songs I learned in my teens. I have never forgotten how to play. Songs I learned when I got older I do forget. I pick up my guitar almost everyday.
I started playing guitar at 10 years old. Played a LOT until my late 20's.
35 years later, starting over again.
I started building 3 string guitars at age 70 and learning to play! I just want to enjoy the experience!!
Can confirm: I play both piano and guitar. But guitar is so much harder imo. Still I couldn’t ever drop either of them. They serve their own vibe 🎸🎹
This vid actually makes me feel better. It's great to know that its natural to forget songs, and its even better to know that guitar is among the hardest instruments.
Yes. In general, stringed instrument is harder than other instrument, followed by air/blow instrument. Because your fingers/ body part need adjustmen to make a correct note. This isn't required in playing piano or drum.
Ive started to write my own songs instead of learning songs because i think it shows my.progress better and how the creative side of things can be better than the tehnical side of guitar playing
Ive been playing trombone for seven years, and picked up guitar a couple months ago, feels nice hearing this
The songs that I’ve forgotten about are songs that I would play consistently when I was just starting out. I think of it being good I forgot those songs because it shows me my guitar journey and how I’ve evolved to a higher difficulty of songs and to a higher skill level.
Definitely one way to look at it
The first two hit hard..
I have played the piano for 2.5 years and the guitar last year a bit and 2 months and man the songs you dont practice that often you literally forget every note..
Learning trombone was such a pain when I was young especially since I didn’t even like the instrument and just got it assigned to me but now it’s a flex
I play drums and guitar and for me when i started drums they were harder to get decent at but easier to progress over time, but for me with guitar it was easier to start but harder to progress to certain levels
As a violist who plays guitar, this is an absolute win lmao
Man started spitting fax
I listen to old songs I've written and played and can no longer do so. Perfect practice makes perfect play.
I was a cellist before picking up the guitar recently, so things are going pretty well
I mourn every day for the songs I've forgotten....
All true bro ! Been playing most of my life, learning on my own, and basically still suck ! Lol,
Its very, very hard to sound like a pro, and I believe some are simply more talented than others and some people just seem to be naturals, but no regrets, I love the challenge of it ! 😎✌️
I started when I was 38. It's Been nothing but a struggle. My left hand does not want to move it's fingers in certain positions, due to damaging my knuckles when I was younger. But when I do manage to play a riff well, it's seriously rewarding. I doubt I'll ever solo anything though.
Definetly Canadian. And definetly an amazing guitar player. i sweat if i skip a few days it takes me a few to get back up to speed. luckily i havent been missing practices lately!
I now realize I have gotten half decent at the hardest instruments, yours truly, a bassist who used too play trombone
I always thought the saying “I forgot more then I know” was just a smart ass thing to say but every time I pickup the guitar after a long brake that’s exactly how I feel
the best part of learning guitar for me is the more u practice the more u enjoy practicing and u will subconcoously get better every day, its been 3 months for me so far and im loving it
I'm somewhat of a beginner, I've been taking guitar kinda seriously since may 2023 and I'm trying to learn music theory.
Every time i forget a song I've learnt i push my brain to work with what it remembers first, then i search the key of the song and i try to make my own arrangement based on what i remember, when i think I'm done i just take a look at the actual tabs and see where i went wrong, it helps me build some knowledge instead of solely relying on memory :)
Thanks you just completely put me off wanting to learn
As a teen I’m so glad 😂
Also I noticed I was improving now I’m scared to keep going lol
All that i can identify with..I started at 19 with a £70 electric guitar,did one lesson,half learned the song i was taught,never had another lesson and never played for another 12 years.I started again and made some progress but not much.Its all about how much you put in to it but i`m glad my knowledge and skill has improved more than at 19.
I'm almost 50 and played off and on since I was 14. The playing off and on hurt my progress more than anything. However I'm also finding that despite getting older I'm progressing now more than I ever have. But I credit that more due to playing almost daily and being able to focus more than I could when I was younger.
I've been playing goin on 50 yrs now and all I have to do is hear a old song and I pick it back up!
True. I learnt to play guitar when i was 14 or 15, and i quit taking guitar class to focus on my study and now i need to start over. literally idk anything anymore.
I had a TBI back in Jan. 2015. So I completely forgot how to play guitar. But I tried, and found if I tried learning a song I knew before, it was quick and easy to start playing it again
Fact 3 is very positive for me
This is so sadly true. I took a break and was so surprised how much i lost
wow never heard about the guitar being one of the hardest, always learning something here
I just love playing the trombone and learning the guitar is a fun challenge and i cant wait to be able to afford a drum set and an electric guitar
As a violinist and violist, picking guitar a couple of months ago, I see this as an absolute win
As a bassoon and guitar player, I will say that the bassoon is definitely a lot harder and would probably be on that list if people knew what a bassoon was
Me, whose first instrument was a Trombone:
“I see this as an absolute win”
im glad i picked up guitar at 14, still later than a number of my friends but you know im glad i learned it young and it really does make some moments in life much more enjoyable
Usually if I forget a song, I’ll at least remember the basic pattern or first couple of notes, then keep trying, usually muscle memory takes over, and I’ll eventually get it!
Point 2… Thank you 😭
That moment sucks when you tell somebody you know how to play a song because you used to be able to but then you try to play it and realize you forgot it
i love how (beside the epic usefull insightfull content, of course) watching your shorts, doesn't feel like any other short-fo content i've ever seen... it is normal faced, feels like a normal video :)) great stuff :))
As someone who started as a 9 year old, I see this as a win
I never knew that the trombone was a difficult instrument to play. As I was learning I was told that it was one of the easier brass instruments
I generally try to make a point to go back and relearn songs that I've forgotten how to play, it's a good way to tangably get an idea of your progress!
It's very hard to get right but once you get it then it's all worth time and effort