Wera KK25 Knock-Off
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- Thanks to a viewer who queued me in on these suspicious looking units. I thought it would be entertaining to compare this one to the real thing.
My suspicion is that someone got ahold of an older mold of the unit and did an unlicensed small production run of the units. As noted in the video, there are a couple of quality issues with the knock-off and I would not recommend even taking a second look at the other unit.
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You know it's a professional tool when it's written professional on it.
The packaging is very important for any product as it sets the expectation for the item inside. Good presentation adds a lot to the consumer experience.
I have been in manufacturing for over 15 years. If I were a betting man I would bet that Ruike bought a worn out set of molds from one of Wera's suppliers and just slapped them in an injection machine.
it looks like reverse engineering, nothing like the same molds
Highly unlikely as all molds would have to be destroyed wera would not be so foolish to let that happen.
I enjoy the fact that you are willing to take a tool apart to show the difference during a review and not just showing one besides another.
Instead of “not bothering” to change the color, I’d say they deliberately copied the color.
They did a 3D scan of the original Wera, and used that CAD file to create their own mould. Easy peasy.
I got a pair of medical shears. I never had a problem opening blister packs after that day.
Do waifu pillows come in blister packs? ;-)
The worst way to open a blister pack. Just trim off the heat sealed portion with scissors, as if trimming crust from bread.
Who the fuck trims crust from bread?
@@pauljeffs7 People who don't like crusts.
@@harveysmith100 children?
@@pauljeffs7 Go eat sandwiches in a posh hotel. No crusts.
@@harveysmith100 crust less bread is for pussies
When you started I think of getting the clone one. When you unpacked the wera then I changed my mind
Tractor Supply Co. (TSC) sells knock-off Knipex pliers. Same color scheme and all. In fairness to TSC they sell them at the bargain bins at the entrance with all of the other cheap stuff so they aren't trying to pass them off as something else. They are in a 3 pack 7 - 12 inch I think.
The patent has expired. There's obviously going to be knockoffs out there.
I love wera and you're partly responsible for that, but I have always thought they over designed their packaging. It's akin to high end electronics. I agree I hate those blister packs though. Great comparison.
Mike's Tool Shed the box does not make the tool.
Thomas Reiley yeah no shit, my point was that they could get away cheaper packaging
Thomas Reiley the box I think adds to the experience of the quality to the tool .
The nice package is just another attention to detail. No a nice package does not mean quality tool but a quality tool almost always comes in a nice package.
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Knipex tools, arguably the best pliers on earth, come with a very simple and plain card on the top like $4 Harbor Freight pliers, or loose with no packaging, depending on where you get them. Packaging has nothing to do with tool quality,
Interesting that despite using aluminium for the bit holder lock the fake still ends up being lighter. One difference I did notice in the molding is if you look inside the bit storage section in line with the logo the fake is flat whilst the real one is rounded (as is my different model driver that has bit storage). I wonder if perhaps they got hold of an older mold that had been thrown away (either being too worn or an old revision).
Yeah it is almost like they went dumpster diving and found the mold. It usually isn't worth it to copy the design exactly like they did because of all the work that is involved in making those molds.
I worked in a mould shop for Stanley for a number of years. The moulds usually either kept in house or destroyed but never thrown away. The moulds for these handles will have been made by copying from a Wera handle. Tooling is very cheap to make in China, just like everything else. Also the difference in weight of the handles is probably due to the differences in the tooling or how tightly packed the plastic is during the moulding process.
You literally have scissors next to you that you snipped the end of the pack off with. You then proceed to struggle tearing the plastic and complain that shit goes everywhere. Smh
It's a copy not a counterfeit.
Hey, a quick note on the disassembly of the genuine Wera KK. With mine, I‘m able to at least partly disassemble it (haven‘t tried all the way) by just pulling real hard on the front black/green ring. Out comes the mechanism for shooting out the extension, the detent for locking it etc. Best regards from Germany!
Does yours shoot out the bayonet when you press the release button?
"Recyclability." My man! Good reviews, too!
The very quick glance at the knock off brand name on the blister looked like Ruike?
They are the manufacturer for Boker Tech tools (screwdrivers and swiss army style knives).
Thanks for this review, I almost bought one. Glad I did not, that thing looks lacking in the quality department
I got the real one as my first wera tool very impressed top quality.
The brand Ruike is also responsible for knives.
They're known to be decent, but I'm not sure if their knives are counterfiets or copies.
I personally wouldn't touch anything from the brand.
I only have the one Ruike knife. It appeared to be made of quality materials, but, if even a little bit of lint gets caught in the locking section it closes and leaves the edge of the knife proud of the scales. You will only notice it when you see the dripping blood from your thumb.
I think this is not a counterfeit product, just a cheap copy. It did not sell as a Wera product . Only copies maybe about 70% of the design. Ruike also produce surprisingly very good tools.
Much professionally and strong for suit.
I have to log in here and compliment your video and taking apart this knockoff (my AppleTV doesn't allow the ability to Like or comment). More Wera/Wiha and other tool reviews please :)
Thanks for the compliment!
Great video, I fell in love with the handles, I have the Red Bull edition. I want to get the torx set do have a part number.
Just discovered Wera recently and I've seen the Red Bull edition stuff. Very nice, but spendy in 2020. Lol.
@@markiefufu I found the redbull version on Amazon, somewhat expensive after shipping. Then found this video and hoping it's a genuine Wera tool I ordered lol.
It's possible that the handles for the Wera are actually cast in China and that some of the supply was diverted or an old worn out mold was sold off to a counterfeiter. I hate blister packs because they often cut you when to try to rip them open - they seem like a lawsuit waiting to happen. I use a set of Wiss MPX serrated utility shears to open blister packs.... The marks on the extension look like the result of a press die rather than a machining process.
I suppose it is always possible, I think it only has to be assembled in the stated COO, but Wera does have products from Taiwan (their sockets), so I doubt they would ship something all the way to the Czech Republic to be assembled when they could do it in Taiwan.
After they copied the design there was no time left to also copy the quality ... pretty sure that´s how it went.
123 456 they don't bother trying to copy quality, that costs money.
Oh man, a knock off Wera set? Yikes. Great video breakdown of why you'd want to spend the extra few bucks on the real deal. In the words of my brother, "buy it right, buy it once".
I live in a small town. Our transfer station won't recycle the really cheap, thin plastics regardless of the number stamped on the packaging. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people think they are recycling those plastics only to have the recycling station send the cheap plastics to land fill.
I hear a lot of the same thing. Like if a plastic bottle still has the cap on they often just throw it away because it takes too much time to unscrew it. It becomes a safety issue when they compact it with the cap on as it will explode and possibly damage something. On the other spectrum, the homeless people who live in the area go by and pull out all the aluminum cans out of peoples recycling bins when they put them on the street and take those directly to a scrap yard. Big cities often do make a profit on recycling, but it is mainly for aluminum and cardboard/paper products. Where I live I also cannot recycle plastic bags because they clog up the sorting machines.
that or people that don't give any fucks . I used to recycle then noticed people just don't care . l throw it all out , I'm happy
Really interesting. I have some very nice Wera tools after watching your videos.
Very good details. but its not a fair comparison: the Wera is 10 times the price of the other.
I can't see a big problem with it. It doesn't claim to be a Wera KK25, it just looks similar and has a very similar design, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. What is the price difference? If it is a fraction of the cost of the Wera it may be better value than the original. The weight difference is probably just the missing metal spring (~10 grams) that pushes the metal driver shaft out of the Wera one, no big deal. For a non-professional the knockoff is probably the better option, just clean it and lubricate it with some silicone and it will be fine.
I'm not so sure of that, quality tools are made from good steel alloys, with good heat treatment. With the knockoff that's unlikely. The steel quality in the bit extender, the holder and the bits themselves are all important, not so much the type of plastic the handle is made of. I would guess that these bits will burr or break very easily.
@@simonh6371 Probably plenty good enough for a home user. Just get a couple of good quality bits if you are worried about that and save money for something else or get a couple of them and have a spare in your car.
@@Martian74 Instead of buying the KK25, I just bought the Bit Check 7 Wera bitset, and the basic 78mm handle, not even the one with the Rapidator. I think together the 2 cost me £15 if that, and it gives me in effect 12 different screwdrivers, 6 stubby and 6 longer. If I'd bought 12 screwdrivers for that price they would be real junk. I don't need the KK25 with the bit storage in the handle although I can see how for some people who do maintenance for a job it would be handy as it's portable.
@@Martian74 Ruike is actually not a bad brand in itself. Their knives are pretty good for the price, they are the same as Bokerplus knives, made in the same factory.
My name is Jon Hampton and i have a problem... i also save my Wera boxes!
when I ordered the metric wera L-keys they came with the box and a sticker, but the SAE one's didn't, I was planning on keeping the box to store them in my toolbox so rip, at least I have drawer liner.
Good detailed video but the statement you made in the beginning claiming good tools don’t come packaged in blister packs and blow molded cases is very in correct. Often Klein tools come in blister packs. Snap on tools often come in blow molded cases along with Cornwell.
Good tools don’t come in blister packs 👀, my Milwaukee hand tools just arrived today in blister packs. Seem like OK quality but near all my hand tools are German, CK tools.
i really enjoy this real vs fake comparison of tools, definately continue it if you find some more. Great video as always gtr
im not a believer in that idea that certain brands are de facto better than their knock offs. also blister packs are not an indicator in the quality of a tool.
Wonder what the difference is in price. If it is fraction of the cost of the Wera tool (which are really over the top expensive here in Oz) then I would imagine people will see it as good value despite its lesser quality. Not me, I am happy to pay for quality tools, but Wera price their tools like Snap-on here but have none of Snap-on's name recognition.
It was somewhere around $10.
nice.... gotta get one of those knockoffs
I'm Chinese and I have a wera kk25 screwdriver. I've also seen this fake wera screwdriver sold on Chinese shopping websites for 30 renminbi, or about $4
I guarantee the tolls work the same. You put the same bit in both tools and use the same screw I bet you get the same result. So really they do the same thing. So you can get the cheap one that looks identical to the expansive one for far less. Ya maybe it has a stronger spring and the molding is not perfect but you hardly notice. Only if your being picky.
Steel. You'll notice when the bit burrs so it no longer works, or breaks entirely.
Wow I love your channel. Thank you for the videos.
Can be ordered online in Pakistan
Just for notice... Czech republic is the European China... only with better reputation... But working conditions and salary nearly the same...
Nice video GTR. Thanks for exposing the knockoffs. Foreign Objects and Debris (FOD). Were you in Aviation, by chance?
I do a lot of work with UAVs. We all had to have anti-FOD training in order to even enter the production areas. It is more common to hear that in aviation, but you would also hear that in any place that makes military electronics and equipment.
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Gotcha. That's where I know of it from, military airfields and tarmacs.
We were always encouraged to scan for anything that could be sucked into a turbine or blown around by rotor wash.
Excellent job. I hope Wera is working with their Intel. Property folks to curtail this scam.
I’ll never understand why people buy those cheap knock off rubbish. I bet it’d fall apart in your hand. False economy buying cheap hand tools.
Enjoy watching your review.
Don't be mad! I agree. Buy a quality tool once or a crap tool three times.
@@soloban81 and than realise that 'buy once, cry once' would have been the better way. After getting a good file/rasp for myself a few years ago and knowing the cheap rubish files, all I'm getting since then are good quality tools.
Lol, I kinda wish that my genuine KK25 came with the bayonet (with its 1000 notches) that the knock-off has.
Have Wera screwdriver set. All I can afford at this moment.
how much was the fake one?
watching him use the copy was like watching OJ try to put on the glove at his trial. i hate copies almost as much as company's over charging for their r&d if thay didn't over charge company's wouldn't copy their products. i love quality tools dont mind paying for them but some are ridiculous in price
It's 37 euros here, what are you on about. Quite affordable.
You didn't stick the Wera end in the copy. I want to see that....
i use my wera boxes for holding iver screws bolts nuts nails and spare loose drill bits perfect for them all u do is right on a sticker wat they are and u can hav them all together lov wera tools strong sterdy and great price
i want this tools in pakistan what is price
I'll admit I like Wera tools.. we use them at work.. but the package it comes in is all marketing. Don't fall for it.
I love Wera tools, but isn't possible their handles are injection molded by a chinese contractor who also made the counterfeit? The same thing's been happening with Swiss watches for years.
"Shameless tools" the hacks tool of choice. Lol
Every knipex I've enough bought came in a blow molded pack and none of them from Amazon lol. I get mine from a dealer.
Funny enough I have rs components blister pack, with some high end hex keys with a ball end, so maybe not in the usa, but in the uk you do get quality tools in em, sometimes, they look like whats that german make, anywho, its a good manufacturer of such like,
You can't really call it a counterfeit or fake, your title saying knock off is more accurate. Always go for the real thing, buying the knock off will only leave you disappointed and having to buy the real one anyway
Thaanks for that review it makes a lot different it
My US made Bondhus stubby ball metric hex wrenches came in a blister pack.last week.
Just out of interest, how much was the cheap copy?
I own the KK25 and love it but where did you find the knockoff at?
I wonder if someone stole the old worn out injection molds from the Wera factory and shipped them to china.
I would have thought Amazon would act to 'stamp out' such blatant breach of IP?
Money makes the world go around ...
It's Ruike branded, they make some decent knives...
Re Wera boxes: I am living in Germany, and most Wera tools get shipped to me in white cardboard boxes, not the fancy black one you're showing.
I have gotten some in white boxes, but not for a long time.
The packaging on the real one likely cost more than the entire fake...
You didn't share the price difference and didn't disassemble the Wera so we could see the differences. It is obvious that you favoured the Wera even before you removed it from the packaging. Biased review.
To many followers to see every comment, not a big possibility for you seeing this.
I know that this is a counterfeit, it’s very obvious.
There are so many differences between the original, doesn’t even show the same name.
Why I’m asking, is because of some tools that I have recently acquired.
I have ordered all of the Redbull edition tools.
They have now been discontinued, and it’s to late to buy the regularly price on amazon and other “legit” places.
So, I’m having to get on and look for them on E BAY and a couple other places.
I am having to pay top dollar for these items, but that’s not the actual issue.
I just see that they are coming from many different countries. I’m curious as to know if anyone knows of people are making counterfeit Wera tools?
One of the ones that I have received already. It is a little iffy on perfection, doesn’t work perfectly. I didn’t know if it’s because it brand new and it hasn’t been “broken in” yet?
I feel like Wera is for guys who want nice looking tools in their box but never use.
they are fancy, maybe a bit too much. But definitely my go to tools. Basically love everything they make. Kinda stupid they don't have the blade profile on the back of the screwdrivers anymore, but that's probably because they couldn't align the picture with the blade unlike Klein and PB Swiss.
As a mechanic I use my Wera Screwdrivers all the time. I would look at in a different way. They look fancy because they are very well designed functionally.
Replace the few tools you most often use with quality ones, to save money. And then going for quality is justified, imho.
They're beautiful as well as functional. They are the standard every other hardware manufacturer must aspire to.
…and aesthetically. Shows they have taste as well as technical know-how and high standards.
Some of our products were ripped off like that, you will find that the plastic machine shop will just continue to run the tool for a few thousand more shots and sell the blanks to another customer (or even the same factory) all they need to do now is a simple pad printer to do their own logo They will invariably use a higher percentage of regrind material too, and even a different blend of plastic to save money, also decreasing the machines cycle time to get more shots per hour- This will have an effect on the way the blank sets. The driver bits are generic junk that cost a few cents, not difficult. At least they didn't try to brand it as wera, they had some morals!
On the subject of the two drivers, can you tell us the prices?
I got the same screwdriver last year in the UK and it fell apart on me last night (my fault). I got it all back together but I noticed the thin spring also only has 1 flat end, it seems to be press fit but I glued it just in case.
It was the genuine one that fell apart? There might be a small hole in the handle for that one end of the spring to go but i couldn't see one.
was it the fake or genuine that fell apart?
Yeah, cost me £30 from Screwfix so it should be genuine. I got the Wera advent this year and found it quite easy to open without noticeable damage and was trying a few bits out with the Kompact, all of a sudden it was in pieces. The glue seems to be holding up for now.
Here's my impression of the Chinese business model, with a little embellishment to make my point. Copy a product/design (aka theft). Make that product as cheaply as possible. Give the best impression possible that it is the real product; not a fake. Take the money and run. This is the culturally acceptable way to make a living/feed your family; no shame in stealing designs from other countries, and no shame in selling deceptive products (to foreigners) that don't work. If they could sell a hex wrench set made from lead, they would do it. This method is deeply demonstrated in Chinese military products. This interests me when we make generalizations about tools that are American made vs Taiwan made vs German vs China, India, etc. If anyone with more knowledge wants to shed more light on this and/or link articles...thanks
Im still missing the intro with the metal music. It sets a tone, and makes you're channel just that little bit more distinctive, IMHO
Foot Pusher my uncle has been a working in China for 14 years, and he says you have to be on your guard at all times and you cannot trust anybody.
Lying, cheating and generally fucking other people over seems to be the way they do things.
The problem with Made in China products is that the number of producers of pirated garbage far outnumber the number of manufacturers that are trying to make a decent product. Given the overall rising cost of manufacturing in China, those in China producing garbage are going the way of the dinosaur sooner or later.
I stay well clear of Made in China when buying anything if I know it’s origin, but there are so many reputable companies outsourcing the manufacturing to China, buying UK only from eBay eliminates goods sent from PRC direct and then further weeding out needed ...
The device you typed this on is probably made in china though. Unfortunately hard to avoid now days. Just have to find companies who have high quality standards, not the cheapo ones
A fitting end.........
It's not a counterfeite just a copy. If it was it would claim to be a Wera and cost accordingly. Just a cheap copy.
I think wera are very good tools but overpriced.
The hands on the reviewer indicate that he doesn't work with his hands. His house must be filled with boxes full of unused but reviewed tools;-)
What about the price of each one, you got this information
I don't remember exactly, the real one was about $10 more.
Also good job doing an 18 minute video that didn't feel like 18 minutes. I was surprised when I saw that after watching. I thought it was maybe 10-12
I was surprised too at how long it ended up being. I just checked the raw footage and there was over 45 minutes of video recorded.
Wages in China are rising and steel is at a very low price globally so good quality products will make cheap rip off products obsolete.
When a patent runs out any tom,dick or harry can make a cheap-shit copy :[
Would you side-by-side compare all the WERA KraftForm [Kompakt] series models? The multitude of models makes deciding on a purchase rather daunting: 80 RA, the 27 RA -series, 816 RA, 60 RA, the 20 -series (the one you're showcasing, I presume?)…
I always put those shitty blister packs in the recycling bin anyway.
There's a lot of good tools in blister packs and blow mold cases. Learn what ur talking about dude..
Not for German standards
They destroyed everything :(
Wera is always nice. It is a decent copy though. This thing had to be $10 or less. The Wera on average is $35-40 bucks when they are trying to get rid of some. While the shaft on the knock off isn't as pretty it offers more flexibility being longer + more detents. Overall China is fast approaching being able to bridge the quality gap.
I mean you could have made your life much easier with the clam shell packaging by just cutting it all the way around I don't know why you decided you had to caveman rip it apart especially after your story with the light bulbs.
Ive noticed that you, and mike's tool shed have copied AVEs signature "hands in the video only style." now im more conscious about my tiny hands.
I don't think it's a case of copying, it's just an effective way of showcasing small products without the distraction of having someone in the shot. Also there are people that would like to maintain a semblance of anonymity. Take a look at mrpete222, he's been doing videos far longer than AvE and it's only been recently that he's showed his face in a few videos.
Kieran I think AvE does it best
It's more of a style of filmmaking than copying. NurdRage was probably the first person I have seen with this style, about five years before Ave started his channel.
German Tool Reviews how many times are you guys going keep proving me wrong?
Hilario Hernandez If I may as well;
The first regular to do that style of review may be Ashens, since early 2006.
Yes but it costs,1/10 the cost,and will do the same job,your really looking at silly difference.wera employee.
It won't do the same job or at least for the same time. It will probably not last even 1/10th of the time so actually long term it's more expensive than buying a Wera.. Wera tools if looked after will be good for decades. I've started buying old West German tools, made before re-unification in 1990, also old made in Sweden Bahco products, made before they started outsourcing manufacture. These are tools which can last a lifetime.
What are the people in third world countries to do? They can't afford European standard prices. This knock off comes as an affordable WERA look alike.
Highly insufficient test!
In Chinese culture, they take great pride in making perfect copies of anything and everything. This mindset is 180° opposite from Western thinking. It is the western culture that created intellectual property laws. I am not defending this practice, I am merely explaining the difference in the way of thinking.If you understand the pride that Chinese take in creating perfect duplicates, although definitely not the same quality, it is easier to come to grips with the fact that there are millions of counterfeit products coming out of China.
David Gold this saying always seemed like a very flimsy excuse to sell knockoff crap to people.
The problem is they have a market and people willingly buy these knockoffs it's all market driven
In Chinese culture, cheapness is the highest quality a product or service can have.
It's called Shanzai. However, this is why their culture and capitalism won't work: they believe in copying, where capitalists believe in patents and licensing.
Nonsense we in the US did the same as we developed. Just read English newspaper articles etc from the 1870's though 1900 or so and you will see the same complaints.
Give it to someone you hate.
I have the same wera and honestly. I hate it. Very "plasticky". Honestly the china model doesnt look bad. If anything it looks like they improved it. The bit holder atleast.
That's because it is plastic, however I'm pretty sure it's glass fibre reinforced (based on a cut test) and probably nylon. I don't see much advantage to having like 10 positions on the shaft but if you do then fine, however having just a magnet instead of a lock is worse and the construction and materials are likely worse so it's more likely to break.
Hey ill take it off your hands!
You covered everything EXCEPT the one Item that may have made a difference... the PRICE comparison.
Didn't really think it was that relevant, but the fake one was around $10. The real one around $25.
That is what has driven the market place. Outlets like Northern and Harbor Freight have grown because of cheep disposable nockoff tools... There are some decent nockoff's and some that are such cheep junk that they are just being shipped around the world expressly to go into landfills as processed trash. I appreciate your efforts to show what of the two a particular tool falls in...
maybe you got it at $25 or more likely $30 since thats KC tools typical low sale price for this.
its a toy, not a tool.
Yep straight in the bin lol
German quality can't be beat
I always imagine Chinese factories will clouds of black metallic dust in the air.
You Tubers who do tear downs always find this filthy coating on the inside of tools.