Doug Kramer Grew Up with Scientology and Escaped at 33
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- Doug Scott Kramer is a Los Angeles-based actor who was raised in Scientology and escaped at the age of 33. He recently started making a series of videos documenting what this whole insane experience was like.
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Eric, great interview! It would be really interesting to get feedback from Chase on the techniques described for mind control in scientology. It sounds very similar. As he says anything can be used for good or evil. Sadly it seems they use it for evil, selfish reasons. But definitely would be interesting in hearing his perspectives on all this. Thanks so much!
Found you as a fan of the behavior panel and have been binging your content. Glad you decided to do video & live-streams. Im very visual so I prefer the videos to just audio podcasts. But will definitely check out the audio podcast as well for driving, daily chores etc. Really appreciate the amazing guests and your interview style.
Great to come back to the channel to watch a interview that doesn’t trash political perspectives but dives into a person who has substantial experiences we all can learn from.
Thank you! Glad you liked it.
I used to live in Clearwater, FL. On bike rides to the beach I would pass the scientology center in downtown. Looking through the windows I'd see members roaming the halls all dressed alike. Their eyes like dolls eyes. Looking like their souls had been pulled right from each of their individual consciousness. It was like looking at the Borg collective.
Jesus😳😔. Scary and sad.
Great interview! Scientology is endlessly bizarre and fascinating.
Also extremely harmful ;o)
@@JustMe-nf1mf I don't think that any belief or belief system is inherently harmful. People get harmed in the organization because power-hungry humans implement bizarre rules and practices in fucked up ways, and the people become too indoctrinated to protest. Scientology itself does no harm to anyone unless people follow it and use the rules for their own benefit. That's why the harm happens.
I can relate to the last part. Cognitive dissonance from narcissistic abuse cause the same feelings, where you feel like you are out of your body, with telescope vision, floating. I think that is mind trying to protect you. That was 30 years ago. I had ptsd for years after I got away
Sad I missed the live. You should definitely have part 2. I don’t think you touched upon how Doug “woke up” which for me is the most fascinating part of his story.
I'll do my best.
Great convo. 👍 I like that Eric's coming from the "I am the general public" perspective.
Thank you! Glad the angle resonated.
The difference between this guy and the Q guy is night and day. Thank you.
Thanks! Glad you liked it.
That was so fascinating. I look forward to watching the next one :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great interview Eric. Love that guy. Very genuine.
Thank you!
Thoroughly enjoyed this interview, looking forward to part 2😊
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
Doug was a true pioneer 😢😢😢😢
Great interview!! It seems Mr Kramer's attitude brings yours way up! You should have him in for round two and get all those loose threads taken care of
Thanks! It was a lot of fun!
Thank you guys. Eric, could you bring him and a cult/hypnosis expert on? He explains Scientology and the expert explains directly how it works.
Other questions: how do they get the blackmail info? why is Scientology seen as a religion?
Probably because of their tax exemption they have because they are registered as a religion.
From what I've heard, Scientology requires its followers to divulge their secrets as part of some of their auditing or other training sessions. It's much like "confession" in Catholic and Orthodox Christianity, except in Scientology, it all gets recorded in a personal file, and will be used as blackmail.
Switch off - switch on - typical IT Eric 😂😂😂
It’s more than a little typical or anyone going classes over teams and zoom. It’s aggravating when you really want to catch what the professor it trying to teach.
I'd love to see him and a LDS member talk for a bit. One of my Aunts is a recovering LDS member a a lot of the steps and methods sound very similar. I'd love to hear his "wake up" moment
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the LDS church, doesn't hide any part of the doctrine they teach from the public, despite the fact that only members in good standing may enter the temple. Even what is done in the temple is not secret, nor does it depart from the doctrines taught in public, it just adds to the knowledge provided in the scriptures and encourages members to make certain covenants. Furthermore, the church doesn't charge for its material beyond the cost of manufacture (that is, if you buy a Book of Mormon, you're paying for the material used to print the book and nothing more), so everything the church teaches is available at no cost online or through the Gospel Library app available through most app stores. You may learn all you like about what we who are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes by researching what is available through the churchofjesuschrist.org website, or the Gospel Library app.
@@g.davidturnblom5751 actually they sort of do. They don't tell people about the planets let LDS members are going to run.
@@merricat3025 There are several problems with calling that a doctrine. First, no such teaching is ever officially espoused anywhere within the church, though it can be extrapolated by stripping other teachings of context. Second, nothing of the sort is ever taught in the temple, though a reminder of our potential is occasionally brought up during sealing ceremonies, but not taught even then as doctrine. Third, what we do believe regarding the doctrines that can be misconstrued as what you have suggested are not kept secret. Fourth, all that is kept sacred by those who attend the temple is personal and not doctrinal in and of themselves.
Yes! Exactly, without the creepy sister wives and prophets, priesthoods and sealings.
@@g.davidturnblom5751 Sorry for the 2 year late reply, i must have totally missed it somehow. LDS folk are just dandy in the most part. Hell, i love their FamilySearch search so much, i try to talk most of my friends off of Ancestry ... and FS is totally free .... YAY!!
With some of my kin still in the religion and some either leaving or outright getting booted out, i can see the good and bad of the LDS as a whole and the temple it's self. My father has 15 brothers and sisters that all are/where LDS from Ogden, UT and they all spread out worldwide. i know that some of the weirdness is from temple to temple just like any other religion. Mostly my comment came from (( what i can remember, two years ago was a long time ago. i might re-watch this video after i catch up after my 5 month illness/media blackout. i am up to and just found out about Tyre Nichols )) My aunt going through absolute depression, disbelief, and just alone after leaving the temple. Life long "friends" and even some parts of the family, including my father, turning their backs on her at her lowest point in life. It took a while for her to recover from it from what i can remember. LDS folk are some of the most kind hearted people for sure, i am just very glad i never decided to dip my toe in the pond. i have never ran into a "bad Mormon" that was standing on the corning and screaming that i was going to Hell for what i was wearing like some of the other Christian churches do. Most Mormons i have ran into just want their decaf coffee and Jellio ... and would give you the shirt off their back, unless you left/got kicked out of the temple
Very interesting
I think his story is fascinating!
I feel like this needs to be backed up on alt-tech so the CoS can’t totally nerf it.
Agreed. Anyone that's not born into that cult is a dupe if / when they even consider adopting it.
This dude was dragged into it as a minor but had the innate sense to get away from it regardless of how long it took.
It is also on Rumble and Utreon.
@J W Separd it is hard for some folks to breakaway from all they know.
@@erichunley Family ties, even before one considers the brainwashing 😕
UA-cam is FULL of ex-Scientologist interviews! A whole genre unto itself. Most entertaining! It’s killing their recruitment 🤗
Rip Doug Cramer x
Great show! Every cult loves actors = Influencers for multi level marketing ;)
It seems that way.
Question do you think it is unusual that Elizabeth Moss being a scientologist acted the main part in handmaids tale about a cult that she would somehow think while acting the part i think im in a cult myself weird dont you think.
Yep. More than a little irony.
I won't watch the series because she's in it. I've read the book
watching
This comment made my day! 😂
@L RON HUBBARD ... What The Fuck You Doing Here I Thought You Were Working On OT 32 As Well As Preparing Your Next Life As A Famous Politician 😆 ...
@@dawnlambert9369 Well ya know i do like to pop in and out of reality now and then.
@@lronhubbard8031 ... 😆 😆 😆 ...
Hello Eric I subscribed to your channel after watching you with viva frei and barnes.After watching this video I realize that you have found your true nitch.You are a great interviewer.
Scientology's "bridge to total freedom" ... 😆😅🤣😂🤣😂🤣😅😆
Yeah. Ironic, isn't it?
Fascinating. I subscribed to Doug's channel just before watching this and have already checked out a few of the videos 👍 . He does go into more detail there, but I'd still love to see him back on here, as the interview format allows for a fresh take on the subjects being addressed.
I have SO many questions for Doug, but I'll keep it brief and just ask the most burning one for now: What led you to make the decision to finally extract yourself from this.."organisation"? Was it just a gradual onset of disenchantment with the whole thing that reached a climax, or was there a specific catalyst?
Thankyou both so much for your time and energy!
EDIT* Damn. So I watched a few more of Doug's vids and my Q is kinda sorta answered now. Oh well. I'll try think of a good new question. Failing that, he can just talk about anything. I'll listen.
Glad you liked it. And I am glad that you are finding out through his channel. I never want to take away from his content and story.
@@erichunley I think you add to it , actually. Interviews are great, because they help spread the information and promote the channels of whoever you're interviewing. Anyhoos- I'll def be watching if you get Doug on again!
Yes from what I've heard
Leah and Mike's Podcast is called Scientology: Fair Game.
Anyone else noticed, that Doug's channel disappeared?
Super genius thespian doug 2023
New subscriber here. It's my second video watching and I'm hooked!
Thanks so much!
Awesome! Now all we need is HGTudor, BehaviorPanel and Spidey and I'll die and go to heaven.. JK great job both of you!
Are you sure this gentleman isn't Randy Couture.
Tergeted individuals.
Also a pyramid scheme means others at the top make money and they don't in Scientology from what I've heard
Is it a coincidence that at the very same sci-fi clubs in the 1940s where Hubbard was saying if you want to make a $million start a religion, he was also doing his stage hypnotism? Perhaps to get people to forget what he said? As always some people can't be hypnotised easily and remembered.
Wog is a British pejorative for blacks, it literally translates to the N word in American English. I suspect Hubbard picked up the term during his years in England before he set off to the high seas.
You.cant say the Govt doesn't are about the child labor when it is so we'll hidden!
Get the book "Blown for Good" one of the first books from someone who literally escaped Marc Headley. One of my favourite books. First kindle purchase too
Oh, and congratulations on getting the downvote stalkers ... you've reach a new rung on the YT ladder!
Ha! Thanks! Yeah, I am getting downvotes on nearly every video - sometimes before I even start the interview. 😂
Do not worry Eric, some people have nothing better to do than criticise other people's achievements. I think that you both deserve an applause for what you are trying to do in exposing Scientology for what it really is and educating people about what really happens within it's confines.
Eric, have you heard of Lehto''s Law or Steve Lehto? It seems to have changed.
In hearing the tactics out there, how is it possible to trust, to know what is what ?
For example, how can I guage whether to trust writing here, that it is safer than not?
I have heard of him tangentially but haven't checked him out. Would he be a good guest?
@@erichunley I'm sorry, I don't know why, the only response I can think of at the moment is ... giggle.
@@eleonoraformatoneeszczepan8807 I think I may be missing a very real inside joke. 😂
@@erichunley ... it would seem unlikely for an opportunity to occur to be able to bump into a scenario for one of those joke, what with all the staying in doors these days, everything is so surreal..... 🙃
@@erichunley In going back to your original question, I would have to say I'm not sure. I've only seen two or three collaboration youtube videos with Steve Lehto in them, and those were with Leonard French. I think those youtube videos were made a year or two ago, however, those might be a starting point for looking into seeing if they might make a good guest for you, for your show or not.
How does scientology make some one feel cured from dyslexia?
I don't think I've ever heard more qualified questions or beating around the bush! Interesting though.
Mercury is in retrograde!
Where was the escape part??? Not a single word about it.
Eric I enjoy you my only constructive criticism would be to let your guests talk because I’m pretty sure your audiences some like me and they want to hear what your guest have to say especially on this sort of topic. and you continue to interrupt and philosophize. I’m not trying to be hurtful I just found it very distracting and I had to discontinue watching.
Wow! I'm sorry to hear that. I will watch out for this but it is honestly the first time I have ever heard this.
I agree, very distracting to have him continually
interrupting the guest and not let him finish his thoughts. Just saying..
How much is a large chunk of money? 1000 dollars?
Zenu and Body Thaitins and all that nonsense. It's so insane how could anyone believe that BS
The Military doesn't hypnotize you. Period.
Nobody claimed that they do.
They just indoctrinate you
DO NOT CALL It A church Please
I'm pretty good at being able to tell when someone is full of crap. I'm not saying this guy is full of crap, but my spidey senses are tingling.
L.Ron Hubbard was intentionally making clones of himself mentally, so pretty much everyone who's not fully recovered from Scientology yet still retains at least a little of the LRH conman stench, even when exposing the truth about it honestly.
If you're immune to sales techniques it's the same tingling senses thing you're getting. One of the learning materials they study is literally a *Hard Sell Pack*
@@d.-_-.b idk. If I actually cared, I love to go to a scientology center to experience this and find out for myself. I don't care at all about scientology, so that wont happen. I am very good at psychologically fucking with people when they've trying to fuck with my head. This is probably why I liked SERE school when I was in the military.
@@jeremym311 - given that Scientology has teams of people trawling the Internet to leave comments on social media to cast aspersions on apostates and critics and to do so misrepresenting themselves my Spidey senses are tingling about you "Jeremy Miller".....
@@mushypeasplease8872 I'm just some dummy on the internet. Tingle away. I just don't believe everything I hear, even if it reinforces my prior beliefs. I think scientology is a crock of shit. But I also like to fuck with people, if there were a center near me, it would probably be a source of great entertainment to fuck with these people on the regular because I don't take them seriously.
@@jeremym311 I wish to engage you in a low-grade form of Psy-war with the intent of pulling why did I take an interest • My style tends to go on for some 10,000 words explaining to the world why they need to get with the program but I have really really missed something ○ Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape for me involves 1-Ton Invisible Lizards quod vide The Forbidden Planet matte screen "monsters" that are "created" by thoughts the self is not aware of ○ SOI here is very easy for me to figure out & I can say that I am not unlike him ~ Many former SO have a transition clearly marked by purchase and use for the intended purpose a bottle of Windex® → _This is a non-trivial effort to respond to your lead_
In SO one is instructed to utilize wet newspaper to clean the windows ○ Myself I have better things to do than clean windows • In the practice of SCN® a "meter" which can be constructed with parts from the spare-parts bin is said to read or sense a sort of "field" which I am utra-keenly aware of just what it is and just how the notion could be put to use to invoke approaches to self-betterment & well being
Consider thus: A sniper has to force quiet mind thence anything which distracts is to be taken as requiring dead-calm which-in the theology of Mr Hubbard-causes "reactions" of which the practitioner is not previously aware of ~ The profile which takes an interest in this will often display capacities which are akin to intuition though here I am wrong; This is my profile; A broad segment will "fall for" ( take the bait ) of overall gains and self improvement yet we cannot all be cool & entertaining
I "walked away" as I am self-reliant yet to find me posting on this obviously I have a core addiction to something that SOI does not have
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There are plenty of books that ex's will sell you at reduced cost and what Bridge has is 10 Prices for cheap covers and MLM
Interview was great...
Please stop moving the camera I'm getting sick lol
Come on Kramer, stay still . Also, repent and come to Christ. Don’t follow counterfeit religions.
Jesus was nailed to a cross. Thor has a hammer. Go figure. Lol
Every problem is a nail to a hammer
@@adenkyramud5005 and Odin hung upon a tree to seek knowledge
@@Pheluv huh, guess I know what to do for school now