Ka-52 In War Thunder : A Basic Review
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- Checking out the Ka-52, one of (if not the) most powerful helicopters in War Thunder- exploring its history, checking its weapons, and seeing how it does in a variety of different attack profiles.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro & History
02:29 Systems & Weapons
04:55 Flight Performance
07:17 Combat Tactics
09:55 Miscellaneous
10:49 Conclusions - Ігри
Discussing a modern vehicle like this, which is in active combat service, can get a little heated - but lets all please keep discussions respectful. Folks can disagree with each other without insults etc.
Babe, wake up. New Tim vid just dropped!
Another noteworthy feature would be the directional IR countermeasure system it shares with the Mi-28NM, allowing it to defeat incoming heatseekers (even those with ECCM) at most angles without any user input.
In game it isn't directional, it's quite literally from any angle it works 100% of the time against all IR missiles fired at it for extra bad realism.
@@user-gv4zb9rc6uThis. The DIRCM should only be operational when the user has launched an IR missile afterwards, where the DIRCM will activate along with MAWS when it detects a launch.
Also another thing to mention, is in game, if you’re a close enough distance, the DIRCM won’t be able to spoof missiles that have ECCM.
@@user-gv4zb9rc6u Directional is in the name of the system, or abbreviated it would be DIRCM.
It refers to how the system actively directs a laser towards the incoming missile to blind the seeker and send it off course.
However from testing in CBs it felt like the system had a blind spot (albeit a narrow one) to the direct front and aft of the helo. We tested it with Stingers, if you faced the launcher directly, the missile would stay true, but as soon as you apply a minimal amount of yaw, the missile would veer off immediately.
@@BlackThanator In real life however, the success rate falls well below 100% when a second missile is fired because, of course, you have to acquire the missile the first time, beam it, wait for it to be sufficiently dazzled, and only when that happens are you able to lock onto the OTHER missile heading your way.
In game however it spoofs all missiles coming at it at the same time as far as I'm aware regardless of if they are on the same side or opposite. Opposites would make sense being as there is one for each side of the helicopter, however, on the same side as mentioned above, it would have to spoof one missile and then have to find, lock, dazzle, and then wait before stopping another missile.
I would also like to think for what should be the dual band seekers that use IR as only part of the targeting, and use an optical seeker in combination with IR, would that not still get around the dazzler being as the IR would only blind part of the seeker, reducing performance but not stopping the missile entirely?
@@user-gv4zb9rc6u You're probably right with your assumptions, and as recent combat has shown, the Ka-52 isn't immune to MANPADS at all.
Still, as this video is only concerned with the helicopter's depiction in game, I choose to only focus on that, and by extension, the system's quirks within the game.
I like the ejection seats it has for both pilots lol. Was worth grinding for in Heli PVE.
I was surprised it wasn't mentioned in the video with how unique that is for a helicopter
@@Scotty_C15 Yup. KA-52 apparently could pop off it's rotors and the pilots have their ejection seats.
When the ejection seats update came out- it wasn't present. But a recent patch not so long ago added it in for the KA-52. Very nice detail.
@@marc13bautista i remembered reading about the ejection seats a few years back and I thought it was very interesting
Im grinding it but its SLOW how long did it take you grind the ka 52?
@@Agloriousburrito Maybe a month or two. Yeah it's a long grind.
Amusing historical note, the Egyptian KA-52's have an indigenous modification acting as a brace against the side gun to prevent a known (yet mysteriously ignored) problem of the gun shooting into the fuselage due to recoil and mount wobble.
I have been waiting to see a review on the Ka-52! It is one of my favorites. Thanks for another great review Tim!
to the justice of Ka-52 design in the history part.
this applies to any helicopters or war machines in general, any helicopter flying into MANPADS & conventional AA Gun range will always get obliterated no matter what design, same problem would befall the US Apache if they were fighting a force with real Anti-Air capability, even an F-117 was recorded to be shot down by 6 decades old Pechora SAM Site in Serbia.
this shows true as well with most recent combat records of Ka-52 coupled with a lack of air superiority from the Ukrainian side really shows just how deadly a looming helicopter flying more than 8km away from the frontline could be, several Leopard 2A6 kills can be neglected as what's important is just how the terror of this looming threat contributes largely to a halt on an entire frontline.
number of kill counts often does not reflect what a war machine's combat capability truly is but what strategic advantage they gave overall, and to be fair, rocket skirmishes done by Ka-52 over the year is genuinely very very effective. They don't give them much credit for it since an explosion from S-8KO Rockets & Msta Artillery fire would look exactly the same.
but regardless,
this is a great review as usual!
Well said. The Ka-52 has been thoroughly battle tested now. Can't say the same for other countries' top of the line attack helicopters.
It's practically the first conflict in decades, perhaps even since Korean War according to some analysts, where both sides have relatively parity with each other and are both rather competent with their own equipment and doctrine. There's no doubt that, whatever the result may come, military analysts throughout the world would be combing through all the data for decades to come.
F117 was only shot down because it’s bay was open and it was relatively low iirc, pretty crazy story too, wish it was in game as well
@@jermasbiggestfan7796 around 30 have been shot down, thats a pathetic number for "the worlds second superpower", russian equipment sucks as per usual
I wouldnt call them battle tested when they have suffered extreme losses in the first major conflict they are in lol
Tim's Variety makes the best vehicle review.
Change my mind
I can't change your mind when I agree with you!
Really be watching a review for a aircraft I don’t even own but still entertaining to watch
I just finished the research for it the other day it was a long struggle but glad it done
One of my favorite war thunder youtubers! Amazing content 👌
Thanks, Tim!
The radar can direct your optical target tracking in the direction or even on the selected target with lock radar target keybind. It is still an optical lock (just like when you slave a IR missile to radar lock its still IR it just looks where radar told it to). It doesnt track the target every time but the sight ends up close to the target almost every time so it might help with finding targets, I think it works better against aircraft than tanks. Great review as always).
i don't play war thunder anymore, but i still watch for the history part of the video
I hate how OP it is but at least its less blatantly P2W like the 50.
When I bought the 50 and the BMP2M I was basically carrying the vast majority of my matches(wins or losses), get 2 kills or a few scoutings with the BMP and immediately spawn in Ka50 which also costs disgustingly little to spawn with the AGMs. But that's incredibly toxic and I felt bad and guilty for almost all of my kills, and I mean that. But gajin being gajin will never nerf a Russian helicopter to balance it, especially after 24feb lol.
@@florinmatusea Tiger from Germany is also really strong. Helicopters in general are strong. Not only russian
How is the 50 more op than the 52? It lacks thermals and sits at 11 .
@@FXIIBeaver nobody said it's more OP
@@florinmatusea I see reading is not a strong suit.
Holy crap 1 minute ago is wild
I can’t wait for the new heli grind stuff
Very usefull information thanks a lot👍
Need an Mi-28N/NM Review! It has the turret for gun runs and I love that way more than cringe vikhr spamming
I'll get to it eventually, but it won't be soon.
That BMP-2M had a grudge with that 2nd shot 🤣
Hey Tim, great video! I was wondering if you could do the mi35nm next?
I'm sort of at the point where I need to decide which I want to grind towards first. It would be a useful way for me to compare them.
I don't usually do similar vehicles too close together, but I'll get to it eventually - it just won't be soon.
Ka52 line
I recommend the Ka line first. Skip the Ka-29, it's not that great, and get straight to the Ka-52.
Awesome video! Can you review the F-100D? I’m not sure if I should bother grinding for it or not
... funny you mention that ... my review of the F-100 is already produced and uploaded (not yet published, probably next week)
@@TimsVariety Awesome!
I see you have the exhaust shields equipped onto the heli, are they generally better to use than the MAW? I believe you can only take one or the other.
Good eye!
I had the MAW equipped for about 90% of the footage I included (you can see it go off a couple of times), but it still visually showed the exhaust vents equipped.
I'm not sure why, most likely a bug, and I passed a note to the snail about it.
Hi bro, I like your videos and this one from ka52 called me, I was very interested because I am literally less than 20,000 points away from unlocking mi24p and I really have no idea whether to go for the "mi" or "ka" branch. I really think it would be a good topic for a video to talk about the mi28nm and make a comparison on which heli is better depending on how you use it. It is true that there are other videos that talk about the subject, but your way of seeing and explaining the game is far superior to that of the community. If you can, at least get me out of this doubt about which path, I assure you that you will earn my sub and like.
The Ka line gets you the best in line: the Ka-52 quicker. However, the Ka-29 is not that good. I don't recommend it. It has 8 shturms, and 2 big unguided rocket pods. Its cannon is low caliber, therefore no good pen, has no target auto tracking, has limited firing angle and doesn't do that much damage. The Ka-29 is usable, but not that effective. However, the Ka-52, as seen in the video, can be an absolute monster.
In the Mi line, you get the Mi-35, which is superior to the Ka-29, however, you have to grind 2 helicopters before getting to the final Mi-28. In my opinion, i'd recommend the Ka line first. If you want, you can do the Mi line afterwards as well, to have a backup heli in matches.
Love to see the Heli vids
Two more are produced but not yet published, I try to spread them out.
@@TimsVariety Ayo, looking forward to it
can you please make a video on the mi28nm as well, or let us know which one is better in your opinion thanks
This chopper can carry bombs (FABs & KMGUs), the CCIP allows only dive bombing from high.. since 90% of its flight @ low-level, why it doesn't fit with CCRP for level bombing❓; also need CCRP to loft rockets to a preset Target-Point (imagine that with APKWS-like while tiny drone mark this TP with a laser)... cool huh‼
Tim.. u are best bro.. u are best
o7
"Ka-52 has no friends"
So true.
It's my favorite helicopter (I didn't try this game yet)
Please review mi28nm! I am wondering which I want to grind once the new heli grinding options are out
I'll get to it eventually, but it'll probably be a while. I try not to do similar/related/etc vehicles too close together.
Grind the ka-52
Would like to see a review on the Mi-28NM, and hear your thoughts compared to Alligator. Love ya buddy
I'll get to it eventually :-)
Hey Tim can you do a vid on the f-16Netz with python added maybe the M3A1 Bradley
Cons could be outlined in red, might be nice. :)
My absolute favorite helicopter closely followed by the UH-1Y (gaijin pls add the AH-1Z’s goofy brother)
4:23 Stalinium right here
Why not a compersion against the MI-28NM?
I would disagree on one thing:
The biggest enemy would not be the TOR M1. It would be FlakRakRad, ITO, or ADATS. Their missiles are flying on direct-path mode. ADATS does not have smoke trail and is sufficiently fast. The missiles these platforms carry will reach the KA52 faster than TOR M1 would, not to mention the massive trail it leaves. Since VIKHRS range is 10km, any of these systems will be in range just as the KA52 would, so the extra several km distance TOR provides does not make a difference.
Agreed, from my experience its definitely the ITO and Adats being a bigger threat than the TOR-M1.
According to Oryx website, at least 34 Ka-52 were destroyed during combat in Ukraine as of 12th of July.
Still I must admit it is an impressive vehicle and looks aboslutely badass.
when your enemies know to ambush from the left side... oops!
I would take Oryx's numbers with a grain of salt. There are numerous independent checkers on both sides who've cited numerous cases double counting (on both sides, this isn't just a Russian thing) and he's been called out a few times for bad methodology.
@@Trojanponey yes, of course you're right. Still, Oryx encourages people to report duplicates on the list and the team is correcting them when necessary. In terms of visually confirmed losses, it's the best source currently, but that doesn't mean it's perfect.
Yes, but so far not a single Ka-52 has been lost during the counteroffensive (except for the one shot down by Wagner).
So if the heli is used as in the game - over allied or neutral territory, using Vikhr ATGM at distances of 7-10km, then losses are minimal.
@@TrojanponeyI wouldn’t take oryx with a pinch of salt but a whole 90 tons of salt because they are run by bellingcat which is a cia psyop
also i hear there is a consideration to integrate Turkey as sub tree, that would be amazing.
we could possibly have an Erdogan Ka-50 in the game, the tandem seat Ka-50 made by Kamov & IAI.
two dozen lost in combat?! according to who? The Ghost of Kiev report, lol!
just a few were lost in combat, on thousands of sorties hitting hundreds of targets from long range.
a few more were hit on an airfield, about double the number of those hit in combat (6 on the ground, 3 in combat)
How many times were you teamkilled while flying this do you think?
About half a dozen.
(WAY above average for me.)
Good
It's a shame how one-sided top tier ground still is, despite the "nerfs" to this machine.
You’re just mad guy
Meanwhile the ADATS that can kill everything and anything in its path. And the 2A6 being almost invulnerable when hull down and only peeking to shoot.
@@alexmaximus9134 youre just bad
@@Skinny6539 Nah bro, that's how it is.
@@alexmaximus9134 nah you just got a skill issue guy
I wouldn't be surprised if we saw something like APS for Helicopters soon. Especially against small missiles like Manpads.
You know they have to like… actually exist… for Gaijin to add it in War Thunder
@@collander7766 I never even mentioned this being added into the game? What are you on about?
@@homefront1999 Well considering the video is about War Thunder and you didn't explicitly specify, I'd say it was a pretty valid assumption
@@collander7766 No, especially since a fair amount of the video is talking about the real life KA-52.
@@homefront1999 well considering hard-kill isn’t feasible on aircraft, I’d say it’s pretty fair to assume you weren’t talking about real life. They already have APS on helicopters it’s called flares and DIRCM
It's not just the Ka-50's.
I've been shot and Rammed by friendlies in the British Scout Helicopter.
For whatever reason, people just like to bully Helicopters who want to help Capture an objective.
I miss heli pvp :(
I don't miss just getting spawncamped by ka-50s.
Unless you were flying a ka-50, and unless you were spawncamping, that mode was pointless after about 3-4 minutes into a match. :-(
10:42
Yes that dam thing ruined helicopter mode for everyone.
we only have a god awful pve mode now that is also spammed by ka 52s
What a Dick move killing a capping heli
You'd be surprised how many clips I have of people doing that to me ....
Still waiting for Gaijin to add the hellfire with proxy fuse to counter the vikhir missiles
But that would mean balancing the game and making top tier ground less one-sided
That’s not gonna counter the vikhr lmao
Best helicopter in the game.
Kamov haters be warned: VIKHR GO BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR (Just got ka52)
There has been many times my teammates shot me down just case they hate the helicopter
Ka-52 has no friends. :-(
Kinda based
hate that friendly fire always happened
I get shot down by FF way more often in the Ka-52 than in any other heli I've flown in the game. People just hate this thing lol
Note, the vikhr are proxifuze
The sexiest helicopter ever, presented by the man with the sexiest voice too
Sitting just above a hill or tree line shooting atgms, getting kills on defenseless tanks, then ducking when a SAM is launched at you, rinse repeat is not a very fun mechanic for the opposing team. The only hope is something like the OTOMATIC to HE proxy you before you get to cover. I really don't like the impact Helicopters have on ground battles. The Vikhr however it is spelled and the tiger fire and forget missiles are a problem in my humble opinion when played like this. Any helicopter can be a problem, but I Feel these two do it the best. That and drones. Fuck Armed drones.
Love the missile nerfs and how they DEFINITELY were implemented for Russian atgms
Trouble comrade? 😅😅
You don't want Eastern bloc ATGMs to be historically accurate. You want them to be bad. You're mad that they've been made accurate, and that it did not make them bad.
You don't want Eastern bloc ATGMs to be historically accurate. You want them to be bad. You're mad that they've been made accurate, and that it did not make them bad.
@@thegenericguy8309I think he just wants them to be nerfed as hard as everyone else’s.
Vikhr and Bradley, a match made in hell lol
Ka52 is powered by Russian bias 😂
This thing is stupid strong and yet the AH-64D can't have the AGM-119Ls cause they'd be "too powerful."
i love how this thing looks, but it seems like as a design production models have failed to live up to the original specs
to be fair we also saw that the helicopter wiped out an entire convoy of western equipment such as leopard 2s and bradley ifvs so its still a very effective helicopter in modern combat
Which one was that? I only ever saw the artillery and the suicide drones.
@@terrified057t4 it was a ka something called alligator or something who could fire from 8 km away
@@mattisvuorenmaa6787 I though it was because they were in a mine field and arty got them too
They struck a minefield and got shelled by artillery.
@@Tommy-sn2dm i saw a video about it saying it was an attack helicopter but I can be wrong
Its not feared....Its a pest.
Although it underwent a major nerf recently, so yeah it is still annoying, but at least its no longer really OP
Vikhr missle got hella nerfed, it is no longer god tier against aircraft
Yes it is
@Skinny6539 Have you used em after the nerf? They don't pull at all anymore, still good in heli vs. heli, but nowhere near as good as they were against aircraft.
@@zfg_daur3612 thats simply wrong, they still pull, and theyre still the best missile to use against helicopters and planes
@@Skinny6539 They only pull 10g man, it's in the change log from the nerf. They suck against planes, you can out pull them
@@zfg_daur3612 you wouldnt understand
why does war thunder have helicopters again
The most handheld helicopter in the game.
Thank you for saying "Kay Ay" and not "Kah." Drives me nuts. "Kah." "Soo." "Mee [Mi]." Drives me insane. All the youtubers do it, especially the ones following the "current events" going on Over There.
You know, I've gotten some less-than-polite emails/comments the other way, from people telling me I should "Kah" , "Soo" , "Too", etc the Soviet/Russian two-letter bureau names because thats how native speakers of Russian say it. I'm not sure why, I suspect a more experienced linguistic expert could explain why, but most Americans I know tend to pronounce-out the two letter designations on military staff. Eff Aye Eighteen super hornet, not Fah Eighteen, etc etc. I guess we just carry that over to foreign stuff out of habit. With the exception of Mig, being three letters, I've always broken out the syllables ever since I was a teenager and first getting interested in this stuff.
@@TimsVariety I believe you get hatemail over it. It's a bizarre recent phenomenon. As someone who is older than the average follower of gaming content and military themed content, from years before the ubiquity of "social media" I can tell you practically no one was saying "kah" or "soo" etc prior to just the past few years. I mean hey you're certainly free to do whatever you like of course and the end of the day none of us has the right to tell you differently, but, trust when I say your way is what has always been normal.
But as you say yes "MiG" was always "Mig" :D That's now as much a facet of Western culture as anything else.
*kah* is alot faster and easier to say than *kay ay*
@@larshenrik8900 How supremely lazy must you be? You're just looking for excuses to defend that nonsense because you think "all the modern milyoutubers do it so it has to be right!" Asinine. "OSINT" youtubers and youtubers who report on Russian invasion of Ukraine are NOT professionals.
Ka-52K when? Chinese Squadron heli. Ka-52 with TY-90s.
It's from 2010? Wtf is it doing in current WT?
A surprising number of helis and tanks in WT are less than 20 years old.
Not even the newest vehicle in game
cancer helicopter
The Ka50/52s are only soo great on paper but with Russian manufacturing and engineering, well, we got Ukraine where they are food for MANPADS, as you said.
Surprise, a weapon system design to shoot down helicopter, used by soldiers trained to use them, is able to shoot down helicopters....
@@richardgaldos6901 surprise, countermeasures aren't working most of the time
@@florinmatusea Ive seen enough footage of counter measures working to know you are just making shit up. KA-52 that are shot down are normally shot down from ambushes by NATO trained soldiers. KA-52 losses are not a sign of bad russian weapons, its a sign of good AA systems or well trained defending soldiers.
@@florinmatusea which should be the case for ALL IR guided weaponry aside of the literally first generation... flares always should be a CHANCE to save yourself not 100% guarantee as it is ... and 3rd gen IRCCM missiles should be basically immune to anything but PREFLARE ...
KA-52 is the most advanced Helicopter in the world. Come on Tim we all know better than that.
i wish i can find a tutorial on how to play this machine, how to from basics to expert, mostly how to PVP PVE for max effectiveness
Are the experts you are referring to the same ones that said ukraine would fall in 3 days lmao
No.
@@TimsVariety because them saying that its the most advanced helicopter when they are being consistently shot down by missiles from the fucking 80s and 70s is a bruh moment
@@Skoodelly Not really.
It says more about the tactics and personnel involved than the equipment.
An F-22 would get swatted out of the sky if you gave it a rookie pilot, no support, and flew it right in front of a bad guy. That doesn't make it any less advanced a piece of equipment on its own.
@@TimsVariety if you flew an f22 right into the bad guy it would demolish it without breaking a sweat even if the pilot was an idiot, there is no areal threat that can defeat the f22, the problem with the ka52 is that its just a piece of shit made out of russian propaganda just like the s400 which was destroyed by a himars (and was hit by suicide drones form the fuckign 70s), the su35 which was destroyed by extremely outdated adf systems, the t90 and t80 models which have more airtime than their airforce, the armata which...dear god the armata has too many problems for this incoherent rant and lets not forget the best of all, the 7 kinzhal "invincible hypersonic missiles" which got turned into scrap by 30 year old patriot technology. What I am trying to say is that the equipment itself is faulty and nowhere close to what it's advertised to be, you can literally find videos of ka52s shaking because of the terrible build quality. This "oh its just the pilots the equipment is similar or better than nato" is just some bullshit so called experts throw out to try to save a reputations because before the war their whole career was putler raw dogging them, its pathetic.
@@Skoodelly Not really interested in a 10-page back and forth, but all I'll say is that people who know a hell of a lot more about this than both of us tend to disagree, and offer a far more complicated assessment of the situation rather than just "Russian trash all bad." There's more to it than that. Sure, some is junk, but some isn't. You're also incorrect about the F-22, but again that's a 10-page back and forth I'm not really interested in.