I think our biology has evolved so much that maybe our brain can manipulate the quantum world like how our olfactory nerves detect smell I cannot find words to describe myself
Why can’t the claustrum be like a WIFI card. Receiving conscious? That could be turned off and on in such a way. Such a small part of the brain. Seems more likely to be the antenna rather than the central computer. Maybe anyways.
You're more intelligent than the scientist pushing their own agenda's and thoeries for reputation, you've seen the big basic flaw this video has. Yeah If i disable my mobile phone's signal reciever than that proves that the signal is inside my mobile phone and not out there, coming from a satellite right? Not every science video is actually scientific or correct, and science is always changing they always learn new things and how wrong they were about something previously.
@@AveiMil Thats a poor reason to dismiss the entire idea. Conciounsess is a forever on going debate, and science still doesnt agree to one thing or another. Only an idiot would blow away a possibility without investigating it. If the universe is inside the brain and caused by all neurons firing together then how is the brain inside the universe too? Why is there this paradox? If we cut open your skull why can you see your brain as something seperate? and if you touch it with your hands why doesn't it feel like you're touching "yourself" instead of pink flesh on your fingertips? Here's a better documentary with scientist about consciouness ua-cam.com/video/w0ztlIAYTCU/v-deo.html from minute 26:00 onwards they talking about one universal consciouness. Your entire body is made up of individual cells and organisms that creates a big overall human, these do the work of pumping your heart, digesting food, reparing wounds, all without your conscious effort, and yet your thinking mind has fooled you into thinking that you're a "real" individual entity The only reason you think you're an individual person seperate from reality is because of an "idea" the "me vs other". And ideas aren't real. They are thoughts happening within the present moment. Death should prove to you that life is a dream, one that you won't even remember, the future implies no you, so no reference point to know you ever existed in the first place. Now if life is a dream, then if you dream you were doing science in labrotory and you realise you were making ground breaking discoveries about how reality works, but then you wake up, and you realise that it was all a dream, everything was you, you create the science experiments, the people, and the achievments only to realise none of it was real, but your own imgination. Well that's reality, contemplate death more. It makes more sense if Geralt from Witcher 3 games didn't think he was seperate from other 3D objects, or that Tom cruise on the cinema screen was a seperate entity to the rest of the the screen. You see your brain is creating seperation of characters on a 1 big screen, due to thought and idea.
The conciousness is mystical because it is connected with the universe. Its an invisible field spread outward in the whole universe. Understanding it i believe holds the key to the riddle.
Yes- even if consciousness is pinned-down to being 'one area of the brain perceiving the other': it does not alter the mystery. How the hell did this happen???? Why??
The concept of “Remote-viewing” is evidence enough that consciousness is not specifically tied to the brain and the feedback loop it shares with the 5 senses
What if it wasn’t the consciousness that was turned off in that experiment, it was the connection from her consciousness to her knowledge and emotions etc... that are stored in the brain
Asking where the consciousness was one of the flaws of Descartes's philosophy. In fact, one of the oldest solutions was given by Berkley, who hypothesed that the world outside us doesn't even exist. I actually had a similar intuition many years ago before I started studying philosophy: the material world is just an abstraction as well as physical models (which are precise mathematical abstractions), though imprecise and spontaneous. So consciousness is not located anywhere: it's space itself that is in our consciousness.
Thank you Arvin! Yes, that which makes us conscious is within us. I don't necessarily think consciousness is in a physical part of us but we, that is life along with our bodies, produce consciousness. It is as if consciousness were the light in a light bulb. Before a switch is turned on the bulb is connected to wires and has a body with filaments and other part in it, but not light itself. But when the switch is turned on, and thus electricity flows through the bulb it produces light. Our bodies are like bulbs, life is the electricity that flows through which produces consciousness in our brains. The switch was turned on at or some time after conception but before birth.
I quite agree with that. Just because the probe 'switched it off' it doesn't really prove that consciousness is not God- it would simply tell me that consciousness is no longer located in that spot.
Great video. I would like to share my thought here. What if the claustrum was like a barrier to the actual flow of consciousness that was within that woman (and is there inside everyone). What if I say that what we call mind in philosophy was actually a part of the claustrum and the subjective experiences that one experience is something not fully realized and experienced because of the mind? What if the woman was actually seeing the world as it is without any human "filter"...The problem lies In the alternate definition of what being conscious means in the medical field vs the definition of consciousness according to philosophy. Medical field can say a person is "unconscious" if the person cannot respond to a stimuli, for instance, when a person faints. But philosophy says consciousness is qualia or qualitative and subjective experience. So a person in coma who is "unconscious" can still have subjective experience, in other words they are conscious. So basically even if the woman was unresponsive, it doesn't mean that she didn't have any subjective or conscious experience. The problem lies here. Its difficult to design an experiment that can say for sure if the person is actually having subjective experiences or not. Since subjective experiences are stored as memories (like your dreams get stored sometimes) damage to the memory region actually erased any and every conscious experiences that she might have had during the time her claustrum was not working. This might have led to the belief that maybe she didn't have any subjective experience. The closest we can go is to use electrodes and see what's going on inside the brain. What if consciousness is something that doesn't emerge from the brain, it is fundamental to reality and the fact that scientists can see parts of brain light up (neuronal firing) is emerging due to consciousness? What I propose is what if consciousness is the energy and the brain (and body) the vessel? science has miles to go if they really wish to find the origin of consciousness... Thanks : )
Very good points. For those of us who remember past lives, we do not still have the claustrum of the brain of those lives - yet we still have access to the memories. The memories live on within our soul and the spirits resonations. The events of memories that need the most work or that we can gain from show up more in our spiritual resonations as we continue our incarnational spirals through the space of time, as we move forward on earths timelines of incarnating. On a side note: I have this strange ability where I can point to a spot on my head and dircet my focus to the spot and random memories flood to me (without an electrode). It's not something I do for fun since it's a bit extreme when you realize what's happening.
I hear that analogy a lot. My question is - A receiver from what? All evidence is that every single thought originated from the brain. Where else would it come from?
@@ArvinAshI know this is an old video but maybe the Noosphere, I know it's probably not real and I don't actually believe in it, I believe that consciousness comes from our own brain, but it's still an interesting idea
Great explanation and the Claustrum is indeed an interesting area to research when considering how the brain integrates individual types of perceptions and judgments into a stream of awareness. Though in its essence consciousness should not be made synonymous with that stream of awareness that seemed to disappear when the woman's Claustrum was disconnected as that could have only made her appear unconscious and stop her memory integration. It is impossible to measure how conscious the woman was during that short time because we cannot put ourselves into another persons subjective experience by means of any experiment. We are simply treating something inherently subjective objectively and therein lies the problem of studying consciousness as it is any other physiological process and trying to measure when it is on or off. The actual subjective awareness associated with the woman's consciousness could have been on when the Claustrum was disconnected, yet the disconnection of the Claustrum rendered no externalities present for us to objectively measure and conclude that she was indeed conscious.
It is a sticky question, because even if you can point to a mechanism of consciousness necessary for conscious observation of being to occur, it doesn't seem to answer the question, what is conscious observation. The question of what it is to experience the consciousness of the brain would still be a place where people could imagine mysticism.
Existential Crisis - is perhaps what i should call this channel? You've come the right place my friend! Welcome. Existential thoughts pretty much runs 24 hours a day for me.
@@ArvinAsh No one knows the ultimate truth of reality and everything so consciousness. We can not separate anything from everything means all are different but the oneness. Meditate 🧘🏼♂️
Just because claustrum and "switch off" apparent consciousness doesn't mean that consciousness itself is not non-local. In the same way that a lightbulb switch can turn off the bulb but it does not mean that the wires are still not electrified.
Exactly. My radio's knob does not mean music is inside my radio. My radio just receives EM waves & vibrates air molecules & then my mind projects conscious experiences onto the vibrations. When a beloved relative passed, some music sounded very heavenly to me. Therefore music is not inside the radio. Our consciousness resonates with the air vibrations somehow.
Its always joy to hear Mr. Arvin. His voice is calm and appealing to the ears. I watched almost all videos of him. Wether the topic interested me or not. Just to hear him.
you are missing a vital point, consciousness lives outside of the brain & also can & does inhabit the brain. When the claustrum is switched there is then no connection between the brain & consciousness, the consciousness is still aware of itself & this is where the claustrum theory falls apart. When the consciousness returns to the switched on brain the brain has no memory of its consciousness leaving the body simply because the memory was not created from the body senses & the brain has in itself no access to most of out of the body experiences. similar to dreams we leave the body for these experiences,& when we wake up sometimes we can experience these memories fading, again because they were not made through body senses.
switching off doesn't mean consciousness is local. turn off the TV. humans disappear from the screen. then goes back when turned on. it doesn't mean humans are inside your TV set
Thanks for the comment. I'm hearing the TV and Radio signal analogy from others as well in this comment section. If true, where do you believe these signals could be emanating from?
@@ArvinAsh The problem is when you answer that question, we're in the area of 100% pure conjecture, philosophy, religion and that's just not where I'm willing to go. As much as I like the idea, I prefer to not go beyond the mere idea that Materialism is an outdated idea. Here are 300 cognitive scientists who have the same views. (That consciousness is external and brain could be an antenna who merely access it) opensciences.org/about/manifesto-for-a-post-materialist-science
@@kidyounot3387 Nobody knows. Chalmers has 2 hypothesis. Panpsychism and the Universal Foundation of Reality. The first would mean its materialist but its everywhere. The second would mean its working with the Quantum phenomenon. If you choose to investigate the 2nd, you would be met with 2 hypothesis on how this is happening. This is from Penrose and Hameroff. As a secular, I would say "I don't know. I'm waiting for the scientists above to figure it out". But as a Tibetan Buddhist, I would say, it doesn't matter.
Arvin Ash the fish asks “where is water” while living in it its whole life. Study the vedantic scriptures of india arvin bhai. And since you just don’t want to go into the realm of philosophy, go into it experientally and meditate. Know it for yourself, firsthand! Even scientific facts are second hand.You seem to have a bias.
To suggest that consciousness is limited to activity from organ in the brain, leads to the question how was this organ so intricately designed without some degree of consciousness?
Thank you but we believe consciousness is vaster than the brain, we not sure that it can be contained only in the brain. Consciousness is quantum, beyond physical. Namaste
Just want to say how much I enjoy your videos--you have helped this math-phobic at least have a glimmer about some aspects of physics! Many, many thanks!
And offcourse scientists have turn off the both claustrum together And they have also just switched one off for the sake of fun ? To see if still the girl is showing the same effect ?
Yes it is, the claustrum is grey matter (cell bodies of neurons) deep to the insulate lobe, its sandwiched between two white matter areas (axons) called the external and extreme capsules. The claustrum is bilateral, we do have one side of the brain that is dominant, so I would infer the same is true for these paired sets of neurons.
It's interesting but medication can have the same effect. Identifing a region in the brain with unique characteristics is wonderful... The aspect of defining the complex features of conciousness and the potential of emergent qualities within the frame of conciousness is not resolved per what you appear to imply.
The brain is an instrument that is used by consciousness to express Itself in this realm. Consciousness exist outside of this realm and physicality is not a necessity for consciousness to exist.
Yes, the mind-altering effects of Salvia divinorum is intriguing, since it is shown to affect the claustrum the most. I would be interested in results of any human trials, although I don't know if this will ever be possible.
Boy, I had to look thre times at these posts as I was reading it as "saliva." And wondering how it could possibly get inside the brain or who would put it there.
I never knew that about how Salvia affects the human brain. Now knowing that and the information given in this video...I can personally tell you from my own experience with Salvia...this actually may make sense about concsiousness.. because that's how I've told the story for more than 12 yrs.... when That Salvia hit me... EVERYTHING just "Went Away"... nobody could really comprehend what i meant, but I mean... EVERYTHING , this whole reality just Faded and dissolved away... Kind of like when the TV has no signal... Just dark and everything "went away".... It was such a saddening experience.... but when I came to... They asked me if I was ok.... and all i could say is "YES!' Everything was great.... just being back and having the capability to do ANYTHING again was SO GREAT. I was SO glad to be back to life, so to speak... It really changed the way I looked at being alive forever.
I like your thoughts , at least you are not denying there's nothing beyond science,I am not religious at all ,not atheist either, You are the only channel now producing quality contents for viewers unlike those typical ad based click bait videos
Very specific parts of each and every Brain Neuron, the Microtubials, download Consciousness from the Platonic Spacetime Geometry of the Universe (ORCH OR Theory) A very specific part of the Brain, the Claustrum, turns these Brain Neurons On and Off. But, this Video has done an excellent job in helping to explain the 'Soft' problem of Consciousness.
I am not that good in English. But these video series are something I do listen repeatedly even slowing down play speed. Most of topics and its comments are somethings I was questioning myself. I must say warm Thank you for your efforts. from south Korea.
Arvin, the brain is a receiver of consciousness. Finding a on-off switch does not change that. Also, general anesthesia is also a different on-off switch. Consciousness is obviously fundamental to the universe. Just look at quantum mechanics and be objective about it, and don"t worry about your peers sneering at you. There are stuck in the past.
The Law myoho-renge-kyo represents the identity of what some scientists refer to as the ‘unified field of all consciousnesses’. In other words, it’s a sound vibration that is the essence of all of existence and non-existence, the ultimate creative force behind planets, stars, nebulae, people, animals, trees, fish, birds, and all phenomena, manifest or latent. All matter and intelligence are simply waves or ripples manifesting to and from this core source. Consciousness (enlightenment) is itself the true creator of everything that is, ever was and ever will be, right down to the minutest particles of dust, each being an individual ripple or wave. The big difference between chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo and most other conventional prayers is that instead of depending on a ‘middleman’ to connect us to our state of enlightenment, we’re able to do it ourselves by tapping directly into it by way of self-produced sound vibration. On the subject of ‘Who or What Is God?’, when we compare the concept of ‘God’, as a separate entity that is forever watching down on us, to Nichiren’s teachings, the true omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of what most people call ‘God’ is our enlightenment, which exists nowhere else but within us. When the disciples asked Jesus where the Kingdom of God is, didn’t he tell them that it was within them? Some say that ‘God’ is an entity that can never be seen. I think that the vast amount of information that is constantly being conveyed via electromagnetic waves gives us proof of how an invisible state of ‘God’ could actually exist. It’s widely known that certain data being relayed by way of electromagnetic waves has the potential to help bring about extraordinary and powerful effects, including instant global awareness of something or mass emotional reaction. 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One state of myo is where everything in life that’s not obvious to us exists. This includes our stored memories when we’re not thinking about them, our hidden potential and inner emotions whenever they’re not being expressed, our desires, our fears, our wisdom, happiness, karma, and more importantly, our enlightenment. The other state, ho, is where everything in Life exists whenever it becomes obvious to us, such as when a thought pops up from within our memory, whenever we experience or express our emotions, or whenever a good or bad effect manifests from our karma. When anything becomes apparent, it simply means that it has come out of the state of ‘myo’ (dormancy/latency) and into a state of ho (manifestation). It’s simply the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness, being awake or asleep, or knowing and not knowing something. The second law, renge, governs and controls the functions of myoho, ren meaning cause and ge meaning effect. 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On a more personal basis, nothing ever happens by chance or coincidence, it’s the causes that we’ve made in our past, or are presently making, that determine how these laws function uniquely in each of our lives from moment to moment, as well in our environment. By facing east, in harmony with the direction that the Earth is turning, and rhythmically chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo for a minimum of ten minutes daily, anyone can experience actual proof of its positive effects in their life. In so doing, we can pierce through even the thickest layers of our karma and activate our Buddha Nature (the enlightened state). We’re then able to summon forth the wisdom needed to challenge, overcome and change our negative circumstances into positive ones. It brings forth the wisdom that can free us from the ignorance and stupidity that is preventing us from accepting and being proud of the person that we truly are, regardless of our race, colour, gender or sexual preference. We are also able to see and understand our circumstances and an environment more clearly, as well as attract and connect with any needed external beneficial forces and situations. Actual proof soon becomes apparent to anyone who chants the words Nam-myoho-renge-kyo on a regular daily basis. Everything is subject to the law of Cause and Effect, so the strength of the result from chanting depends on dedication, sincerity and determination. To explain it more simply, the difference could be compared to making a sound on a piano, creating a melody, or producing a song and so on. NB: There are frightening, disturbing sounds and there are tranquil and relaxing sounds. It's the emotional result from any sound that can trigger off a mood or even instantly change one. When chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day you are producing a sound vibration that is the password to your true inner-self - this soon becomes apparent when you start reassessing your views on various things, such as your fears and desires etc. The important way to get the best result when chanting is not to see things in a conventional way (difficult to achieve but can be done), rather than reaching out to an external source, you need to reach into your own life and bring your needs and desires to fruition from within, including any help that you may need. Think of it as a seed within you that you are bringing sunshine and water to in order for it to grow, blossom and bring forth fruit or flowers. It’s important to understand that everything that we need in life, all the answers and potential to achieve our dreams, already exist within us. ua-cam.com/video/6CZ0XJqWRr4/v-deo.html OLIVIA NEWTON-JOHN sings about Nam-myoho-renge-kyo
I think we are just extremely rare arrangements of atoms. Quantum computers coupled with super advanced AI, that have enough neural connections arranged in a certain way will eventually experience consciousness.
Consciousness is fundamental and does not change, it is eternal and only has a range of infinite frequencies call souls. Spirit is consciousness and consciousness is spirit. Consciousness cannot be generated, it simply is.
Our time is limited in this physical world. This is all an illusion. We are all in this field of consiciousness that is outside of the universe. The body is just a vessel. And this conciousness brain is just a receiver.
The biggest question I have, is if my "soul" exists only in the brain.. why this brain? Is it possibly for "me" to experience the claustrum of a different creature's brain from birth to death? Why isnt somebody else experiencing my mind, and vice versa?
That's a great question, that has philosophical implications. The "you" that is experiencing your life, behind your eyes, is probably unique to your particular claustrum, and can not be experienced by any other claustrum, or combination of brain patterns of any other animal, including other humans.
Maybe your soul is experiencing other human lives and other creatures lives in other universes or perhaps you are experiencing other lives right here and now on earth through every different creature on earth, there is enough creatures on earth for some souls to be within one of the same creature and in every different species and experience life through that creature. For example, you could be one of the lions and an elephants as well as your human self all at the same time or one of the ants, while someone else is another lion maybe even in the same pride as you. Hope you get what I was trying to say not sure I put it very well.
@@ZeusHelios no you worded that just fine. I've wondered that myself. I remember a time in the woods when a mother deer and her baby just walked right up to me a looked me in the eye, as if it understood my good intentions. I wondered if there was some sort of connection there I dont understand. Ive felt this many times with other creatures, and sometimes other people.
But if the claustrum acts as a switch, then doesn’t that mean that consciousness would have to come from a source other than the brain to function? Just a question
The dude has very uninformed when makeing the videos. This only proves that the brain is a control panel not that it creates conciousnes. Your question is very good. The dude dont put questions.
It may be that the claustrum is responsible for consciousness or acts like an organ of consciousness receiving and processing centrally, all electrical impulses from different parts of the brain. That an external electric field put close enough to the claustrum can interupt and even cut out neural signals completely and as a consequence turning off consciousness. A severely damaged claustrum, would in theory, result in a complete loss of consciousness. Those are all electrical impulse in; and created by the brain and parts of it.
Albern Newton yes but that’s just how the claustrum functions. If it created consciousness then we would have found that out long ago. It also wouldn’t explain how an organ, a combination of complex cells and electrical signals, can create a consciousness and why it does.
@@albejaine Brain does not create consciousness, it creates intelligence and this 2 are not the same thing. Think at a computer, or robots. They are more inteligent than himans yet they are not conscious, they just repeat a series of comands in certain conditions. Ultimately consciousness is more likely to be an universal proprety, not exclusive to brains.
If you think Consciousness is confined to our brain or the claustrum then just read the case of Pam Reynolds or you can also find her interwiew in which a surgery was to being carried on here in which her brain was dead and her heart wasn't beating too but when the surgery was over and she was back she could actually define the whole surgery , she described every thing the doctors did while operating on her and she also could here what they said and see what was happening ... Separated from her body and her mind and not just her there are many other such cases... Consciousness is not limited ... In fact even the smallest of the single cellular organisms have their consciousness and a little bit of intellect ... Probably quantum entanglement is also something thats trying to tell us the same or it may also be a property of those electron or the other fundamental particles of nature ... At the end it's left to you how you interpret it.
Men think epilepsy divine, merely because they do not understand it... We will one day understand what causes it, and then cease to call it divine. And so it is with everything in the universe.” ― Hippocrates
How would the physical brain come up with or produce consciousness? For natural selection / evolution to produce consciousness in human brain, would the physical brain interact with consciousness in the environment?
@@juandominguez5885 If you haven’t always existed, then how do you exist now? How can non-existence start existing? As for the argument of you not existing once before, you didn’t exist once and yet, you happened. Why can’t you happen again if it’s already happened once? Some thought provoking stuff for you 😜
That nerve or whatever in the brain is like the switch of a bulb. If a switch is damaged and you cannot get the bulb to work, does that mean that the switch was the source of elecricity? No!! The electricity is there regardless only the device is broken. Similarly consciousness is there regardless and the thing in the human brain is just a receiver of it! So if you knock someone down the device is broken but consciousness remains whatsoever. To know this you need to meditate
Great video. Clearly those whose consciousness is influence by religious dogma finds fault with your video. I'm like the scientific community, I don't know. I have a close friend who told me how she had an out of body experience without any trama. She was handling a prisoner as a correctional officer. She said suddenly she saw herself outside the body doing her job. I am a former science teacher of public and private schools. I know of no present theory of science that can explain this. It may not be supernatural but it maybe a function of our brain and science that we haven't understood just yet.
There are some theories that our consciousness is beamed into our bodies sort of like a tv signal. Maybe that Claustrum acts like an antenna. That when we die our consciousness goes back to a sort of singular greater consciousness simply to be beamed back out again; maybe in another form, maybe in another universe. I have no fucking clue, but that is the idea.
Obviously, you can knock somebody unconscious and when they wake up, they won't know what happened, so I don't think that it is a big surprise that they found something specific in the brain that controls consciousness. This is a thought-provoking video like many of your videos, but I don't think it really moves the needle regarding the spiritual argument. I would be curious to see how a Buddhist would respond to this, since they seem to argue that consciousness is like matter and energy, and can be neither created nor destroyed. My problem with that is that it does not appear that living organisms had consciousness in the universe for about 12 billion years. So where was all this consciousness before there were brains? I am amazed that more people are not watching your videos.
Very presumptuous to assume there weren't any conscious beings before humanity. As for our human brains, because consciousness is formed through an interoperable process, it's possible we lacked the biological sophistication necessary to develop "identity" or in this case consciousness. Who knows. It's anyone's guess, maybe we're just getting started as a species.
@@YouveGot2BshittingMe Interoperability is the ability to exchange and use information. Consciousness is awareness of your surroundings. Pretty hard to have one without the other. So maybe there was no consciousness for one or two billion years instead of twelve. That is still a real long time. And maybe we just don't get it. I'm open to that.
I will tell you the eastern spiritual perspective. Consciousness is the underpinning of this entire universe. It is not the product of the brain. Brain or human body uses this body to experience the world. All living and non living things are made up of consciousness. They are evolved out of consciousness ,are within consciousness and make use of consciousness. Just because their brains (mind) of the organisms are not developed doesnt mean consciousness are not present in them. There are able to make use of it depending on the extent they are evolved. Animals have less of a mind compared to human, Plants have even less. Consciousness is like the intelligent energy source which powers the organism, human, animals, plants and even non living things. Scientific community just got it completely wrong, they think consciousness is the product of brain.
I recommend looking into the explanation of consciousness as described by yoga philosophy, specifically Ananda Marga "Path of Bliss" philosophy. Here non-qualified consciousness is primary, creating a cosmic mind and the universe, life and human beings and their brains and minds within this cosmic mind. The spiritual goal of life is to become one with the infinite consciousness from which we were evolved, and also to serve living beings. Consciousness is not in the brain although it is associated with the brain and everything else. Rather the brain is within consciousness. Please check it out. I was trained in physics and psychology by the way.
There are arguments that are incredibly convincing that consciousness is an epiphenomenon of the Brain and likewise there are arguments that are just as convincing that consciousness is transcendent.
Ecclesiastes 9:5 “For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten”. Thanks Arvin
Hi Arvin. My understanding is that the conscious is an awareness of a living organic organism that possesses a brain and connected heart that is animated by the force of. Life within cells. It is not God, but is from God. Consciousness is not in a particular place in the brain but there may be a place in the brain that may regulate it. It would not be consciousness itself but merely controlled or regulated by a part of the brain just as the brain can produce language, yet language is also not part of the brain.
I think it is a pretty big leap to say that because one woman stared blankly and did not respond to stimuli that consciousnesses is created in this one spot in the brain. That there is nothing to consciousness more than a small piece of the brain.
I commented earlier as well but ive a wild theory here. Been binge watching your videos since 2 hours. I just presume that Your low subs might be due to the overlords trying to stop you from dispensing the true information to the general public. Your videos are also stopping unexpectedly so dont know maybe... Anyhow again great stuff
Honestly, it isn't overlords. It's this current war on science and discovery led by religious extremists like Creationists. These people aren't harmless and their current agenda is evidence of that.
First we need to discern - are we speaking of mental consciousness or spiritual consciousness. There are many levels and forms of 'consciousness'. To me, someone who has had extreme psychic visions into my future as a toddler - as well as seeing into what appear to be my past lives - true consciousness is multidimensional and thus is spiritual consciousness. Trying to 'make sense' of consciousness with 3rd dimensional mind constructs is limiting one's own consciousness since it is actually multidimensional and comes from higher constructs than what I will term gravitized constructs. Nice video!
Do you think it would be possible that consciousness is a separate entity from your subconscious mind? Both always working together to reach a common goal. For example like in a computer the software and the hardware. Could it be that your consciousness consists of pure intellect that has access to the brain to store and retrieve information?
Very interesting question. You could be onto something. I don't think anybody knows the answer. My personal opinion is that the subconscious is that part of your brain that takes and integrates information that is present from your 5 senses, but not available to you intellectually. For example, you might get a negative feeling after meeting someone but can't put your finger on why. This is your brain processing subtle information in the background - for example, body language, smells, visual cues that your intellect did not think anything of, but your subconscious program did process. This could be like hardware and software like you said.
It has been proven that consciesness is outside the brain. Near Death Experiences, or reincarnation cases where kids remember their past life shows not only that consciesness is seperate but that it also does not need the body to perceive. Now that very disturbing indeed, and I wander what the purpose of our bodies is. Maybe it's just some sort of stimulation, or what some call Atman, the universal consciesness separating and trying to experience though Maya (illusion)
@@rajprasad5899 I like your belief that our consciesnes is the sum of our past and present experiences. If I might ask, is that grounded on your religious beliefs? I personally grew up as a dogmatic materialist, but opened myself to the idea of consciesness (soul) as seperate entitie after reading on empirical studies done on the subject. If you are, what religious persuasion do your beliefs come from?
@@rajprasad5899 yea, consciousness is awareness of one's unique self. Other beliefs and experiences and theories added by you are contradictory to that definition.
Dear Arvin Riddle me this Excretion of urine is an emergent property of renal cells in renal tissue Consciousness is the emergent property of neurotransmitter firing brain cells in brain tissue Urine is physical and can be analyzed physically down to its elementary particles Is consciousness physical and can it be analyzed down to elementary particles? Your opinion matters to me
Thanks for your patronage my friend. I don't have any doubt that consciousness is physical. I think much more mystery is put into this than needs to be. At the root of our consciousness is neuronal activity in the brain. This is where all thoughts, feelings, memory, and knowledge reside. These can be traced to electrical and chemical flow in the brain. Although this is an area of ongoing research, recent research has made great strides in pinpointing certain brain function to various parts of the brain. Much more research is needed, but I believe we will be able to completely map the brain, and through this, our consciousness in the near future.
I don’t agree that the Claustrum ‘switch’ means consciousness doesn’t exist outside of the brain. It may be more like a radio, turning the switch doesn’t make all music disappear from the airwaves.
Does that mean a light switch is compelling evidence that electricity is generated in the switch mechanism? Also, why would the brain generate consciousness? It already has a job, to process information, just as the gut has the job of processing energy, and we don't attribute some great extra function to the gut. Arguably, consciousness is more likely simply is a function of being alive, of all the body systems working in concert, and the brain filters and amplifies that consciousness to create a picture that historically promote reproduction. The simple consciousness of simple organisms would be considered by humans to be "unconscious" or "automatic", being too small and subtle for us to notice, so we dismiss it.
Consciousness may be what all the body systems in concert do. The entire integrated system that includes the brain, with countless feedback loops and interdependencies, will necessarily be immensely more complex than just the brain alone, which is the main locus of complexity in the body but not the only one. So qualia *may* simply be a function of being alive, dependent on a CNS (or at least sensing) but not exclusively generated by the brain. The challenge with brain-only hypotheses is how the dynamic patterns of neuronal processing might translate to the rich theatre of existence. At this stage, it remains the "hard problem". BTW Arvin, thanks very much for your channel - it is one of my favourites :)
I must disagree with you in this case as I have had several near-death experiences which made me to understand that consciousness is in the spirit be mediated by the Soul
Thank you Lord Jesus my lord and savior for dying on the cross for my disgusting sins and revealing my conscious so I know what to do and what not to do 🙏🏻
BTW, the term consciousness in other philosophy doesn't match the term consciousness being used here. Mind and consciousness is two different entities in deep spiritual philosophy. So, in this case, we cannot generalize in this way as being mentioned here.
Makes me wonder if the pineal gland is connected to the claustrum . we have more sences than 5 , a sence of humor , a sence of balance and on and on . it goes to show that as each question is answered it sparks a thousand more . Great content !!!
Thanks. Yes there could be a connection between the two. Maybe this accounts for "consciousness-altering" experiences that people have after taking certain drugs that affect the pineal gland?
For the sake of argument I'll interpret the scientific name for it as "unquantified". You see, the problem with science is that they're concerned with the quantifiable, e.i. the measurable. Never mind the fantastic theorems that we would call hypothetical. So they will never say anything about souls, spirits, or God except that it doesn't exist unless they can measure it.
Consciousness is a collection of everything we have experienced. This experience can be altered using drugs, meditation, when in extreme pain, trauma, or when the brain is subjected to high energy electromagnetic fields like gamma, alpha or beta waves. Human consciousness would be the collection of information we've interpreted. I don't believe the body produces a consciousness. I guess you could say consciousness is a focal point in space and time interpreting everything in the universe.
Can I do your intro music for you? I love your channel, but it makes me feel like I'm being taken into a Beverly Hills mansion to see a wall of books and a 30 year old millionaire.
Consciousness is defined mostly as ability to question self existance , switching on and off brain makes no sense . You know r8, that intelligence and consciousness are two different things
but why is my conscousness my consciousness or your, yours? How did I get in this body, why am I not just one of the other people. Why that baby my parents had, just two random people. First person perspective, or the 'I' is baffling to me.
Wait a minute, I have a question to make. I'm interested in this experiment, was the woman conscious about herself? could she remember her name and who she although her mind was empty and aloof? or she had forgotten herself too?
She had no reaction. She was like a vegetable, then become perfectly ok, when the electricity was turned off. And she did not remember that she had become like a vegetable.
@@ArvinAsh thanks for making it clear, it seems the claustrum function is a very important and essential function of the brain and it is interesting to find out more about this
If we examine the studies about near death experiences it makes it impossible to support the current understanding that brain creates consciousness. People who are brain dead, have no perceptions as we know them, but people could see things and hear and remember conversations.
No brain dead person has ever come back to life. The brain is always alive if the person has come back. Their senses still work, so they can still perceive, though it may be unconsciously.
My phone does not have youtube videos stored inside it. I can still access youtube with Wifi. That does not mean wifi is residing inside it physically. Similarly, conciousness can be result from a resonance of a particular frequency that reaches 'a part of the brain', so individuals have different experiences like different tvs having different channels Please, don't say stuff that makes us look like meatbags. We are more than that, and there is a lot of discoveries to be made ahead of us
You said it right earlier in but just because you find the switch that may disconnect your body from your consciousness does not mean it is produced within that part in of course your body needs a switch the same way your TV needs an infrared detector to receive input from your remote
@@ArvinAsh I've never claimed to have all the answers to everything but when I see something that is claiming to show consciousness from the brain only simply because his conscious awareness was interrupted as the claustrum was being affected... which only show that it is a link in the chain. Meaning of course if there's a non material reality that causes consciousness it would need a material link to our bodies for us to be able to control these meat bags that we walk around in. But to imply that this is what consciousness is and where it comes from. In my opinion it just shows that the creator of this video has a personal bias and his world view seems to be one of Neo Darwinism. And quite honestly if you're someone that refuses to believe in a God or a higher power than no other person's testimony will ever sway you ... But since you asked I will respond... 1.I have personally had an outer body experience...(meaning outside of my body fully conscious I could see myself. with knowledge and memories of my entire life as well as retaining the knowledge and experiences of being outside of myself once I returned). 2. My youngest son was diagnosed with trisomy 18 in my wife's womb. ultrasound photos from multiple hospitals showed physical deformities for eight months with Gene testing to confirm. then finally after 2 weeks of no heartbeat they went to remove my child from my wife as a dead fetus, after 3 hours of waiting the doctor came and told me that she had no explanation for what had happened and that not only did my son no longer have any physical deformities in his body from the disease he also appeared to not even have the disorder at all any longer ( which he didn't) he's 13 now completely normal kiddo.. who at 3 years old explained to me during a car ride how the moon affects Earth , how the solar system is setup and how the universe has galaxies. I asked him where he learned this because he was too young to understand these complicated ideas, he never watched television shows about these things he was still only watching colors and shapes at that point... his response to me was when I was inside of my mommy God taught me everything there is to know and the more that I'm here the less that I remember from being there. Does this prove to you that consciousnesses is in the brain or somewhere outside as a separated mind? That it does not my friend but ask yourself honestly if our lives were switched would you believe that there's only a naturalistic explanation for everything. And yes it would be very easy for you to just say you don't believe me and my wife. But that makes no difference to me, I have no worries about what I don't understand about the universe or what happens when we close our eyes and take our last breath in these bodies that we have on this side of reality and life. PS have a good day
Ok i just randomly made a TED talk on this. sry if it's nonsense. it's also for myself. what if consciousness is simply the information that all particles have the capability of collecting of another particle's position? That way the brain may contain the consciousness of every memory we have and thereby all the particle positions we have been the witness of. I theorize that the claustrum seperates the consciousness in the brain, so that there's no longer any connections between the bunch of isolated consciousnesses for taste, hearing, sight and so on. I'm taking a wild guess. I dont understand how a woman's non-reaction proves anything. she might as well get paralyzed and stop collecting memory for those few seconds. it's such a tricky thing, that i think the best option is to understand consciousness as a force of nature. I don't see there being any specific trait to the brain that should make it otherwise. Rocks and trees are also conscious, i think - just in a completely different way. Imagine there being a particle of sadness
I would like to offer that consciousness is the natural expression of experience and experience is the natural expression of change. Change generates experience and experience generates consciousness. Thus consciousness is the universal condition and constant of change. Who or what is conscious is the experiencer, otherwise called "I". I is the result of formation which continues through dissolution and again through formation etc. within an infinite play of names and forms. There are macro formations and micro formations, each experiencing the universal in their own indigenous way. Higher and lower formations of consciousness exist as ever-changing vibratory fields. In human beings, these fields express either as dullness, activity, or serenity. In Sanskrit, they are called tamas, rajas, and sattva. One mentor with whom I studied once asked, "How could a living God, create dead matter?" From a Buddhist perspective, form arises out of formlessness and resolves back into formlessness. However, though form and formlessness are distinct, they are paradoxically one and the same. This consciousness abides both within and beyond all space and time.
@@rajprasad5899 Conscious is universal so it remains intact. Does "our" consciousness remain intact? No. When your automobile goes to the junkyard, does it remain intact? When your rice and dahl goes into your stomach and is eliminated from there, does it remain intact? Consciousness as change remains intact. Personality, memory, history dissolves. If and when humanity goes the way of the dinosaur or dodo bird, who or what of ourselves will remain? Fear of death is our temporal formation's (ego) fear of non-existence. Metaphorically speaking, the music is always the same, its just the instrument that forever changes. As such, consciousness is always opening and closing its eyes as if for the first time. Pretty cool!
@@rajprasad5899 The key word to your question is the word "the". The precedes a noun, when in truth everything and everyone is a verb. The universe is an incomprehensibly vast field of energy, forming into galaxies, stars, planets etc. in endless combinations of shapes and forms. Each of us for a while is a formation, that dissolves and then resolves into other formations with each form acting according to its own elemental nature. Each moment within the field is a new experience. Your question is a new experience for me with my answer a new experience for you. Consciousness organically arises out of experience, albeit for a bird, a rock, a tree, the experiences of each are vastly different from the sensory mechanisms and experiences that make up you and me. In truth there is no death as a period but rather as a coma, end of story, new story... I think we as humans get caught up in the theater and theatrics of our experiences out of which good, bad or otherwise, as personalities with memories we are afraid will one day end. I think what frightens us most is not the ending but rather the anticipation of the pain and suffering that often precedes it. Culturally, through so much of our history, our memories and life experiences, we have come to fear rather than welcome death as a friend. As for myself, I imagine that when it is my time, I will either transition with fear, loss of memory and.or with curiosity. In truth it will not matter given that i will transition just the same. Into what? Who knows?? Before my birth I was no thing and after my death, I imagine I will be no thing once again. Since there is no thing I can do about it, I just sit and meditate and then stand and go about my business before going to sleep and then waking up to repeat and rinse over and over again!
@@rajprasad5899 My apologies if I have misunderstood the question. Evolution is change. Change here suggests a past, present and future. What is, however, changeless is the awareness of the same. As such, awareness doesn't evolve, given that there is nothing outside of itself to evolve into. The idea of timelessness, formlessness and so forth is in truth as alien to us as water is to dry, desert land. We are temporal, our perception of our world and universe is also temporal. From what I understand of meditative experience, that within the stillness, the distinction between self and other dissolves. In the Heart Sutra, the revelation was that "form is no other than emptiness and emptiness no other than form". Also in the Sanscrit chant, the prayer is to "lead us from the fear of death to a knowledge of our immortal nature." Evolution from this standpoint for ourselves would be the dissolution of self and thus self-awareness, given that in dynamic stillness the question has no foundation to arise.
@@rajprasad5899 Thanks for continuing the inquiry. When I say I, I am identifying myself as a distinct formation (birth) at a specific point of existence in space and time. I am conscious, aware, cognizant of both me and what I, through my mind and senses distinguish as not me. Where I am going with this is that it all happens simultaneously, just as fire, for example, generates heat, or water,vapor. Consciousness is not something I possess, as in "my" consciousness, but rather is the natural effect of formation itself. Given that every "thing" is a formation, every "thing" is conscious or self-aware. However, the awareness of a rock, a plant, a planet, is very distinct from human awareness which is indigenous to you and me. When i am in deep sleep or if I were to go into a coma, the body is still conscious, however, the mechanism of awareness of self and other as the brain is in a state of shock (unconscious) or rest. What, through our sensory perception, we see, or interpret to be the universe, is the largest formation that we know. Given that we are an inseparable part of this grand formation, then our own conscious formation is an integral part of the vastly greater whole. Each of us in effect is the tiniest cell, doing our particular dance on the largest elephant that we know.
@@rajprasad5899 What we call the universe is an incomprehensively vast dynamic energy field. Consciousness is a product of this endless formation and dissolution. Personality/identity is a temporal expression of this field. Identity has a beginning, middle and an end. Nothing more and nothing less. Attachment to identity is the source of ignorance and when identity is threatened, is the cause of fear. My parents are no more, my grandparents are no more other than in my memory. They do not exist in your memory just as yours never existed in mine. What we, however, have in common as a species are parents and grandparents. In the future, we might have children and grandchildren and so forth, which at this moment may or may not yet exist. The word God, soul, etc were some of our earlier tribal constructs to try to make sense of it all. Science is our latest form of religion. Now, what we call different levels or states of consciousness or conscious experience is a direct expression of heat and vibrancy coursing through the body/mind. Drugs can produce a "temporary" heated stated, usually followed by a depression, given the large expenditure of energy needed to produce the effect. Sports, yoga, chi qong, and meditation are more natural "diciplines" to achieve the same and as such a better trajectory if one is serious about having more vibrant experiences. The endgame, however, as I understand it, is absorption, whereby their is no longer an identification with the body/mind as the seat of consciousness. Here, the soul as centerless/formeless center is this energy field itself expressing endless as every name and form. At least that is my understanding at this time.
Here's one for you all, as I've been reading some of the comments. I have epilepsy and have not always known about it. I was 34 when I discovered that I have it and take medication to treat it. I don't believe that it's demonic possession or anything like that, it's a condition treatable by medication and that's how it goes. It's gotten in the way of my ability to go to work but that's temporary and to "H "E double toothpicks with the idea of being on disability, i have ambitions and want to work and make money. Well so anyway what I wanted to say is that one day living in my house when I was highly depressed and using an illegal substance in 2015. I've given that lifestyle up already and live with some Christians. But okay anyway back then there was a time when I woke up walking down the street a block away from my house wondering how in the world I'd gotten there and how on earth did i not die walking that far unconscious. Like there was traffic going on down the street around me albeit i was on the sidewalk, but Still. So just saying because in the video they explain that the lady was unconscious, well i was unconscious, and somehow some kind of way made it to where I had walked to safely. 100% true story.
Finding a correlate doesn't necessarily mean that the problem of consciousness has been solved. The path has deviated grossly, steering clear of the fundamental question as to what makes us human and beings. Poking probes, piling tons of technical papers and propounding complex analyses hardly answers anything. In fact consciousness studies in academia is perhaps amongst the most wasteful expenditures of resources, yes on the level of physiology and diagnostic sciences to tackle inconsistencies in perception it helps. But for an answer to why "I" exist as a conscious observer and what is the nature consciousness itself begs a totally different approach. The classic deconstructive approach of science is perhaps the easiest trouble free pathway to explore, so we are being choked that whatever is presented in such a way alone can be true. This is a conditioning similar to what religion was playing, steering clear of any other approaches. Academicians want you to be skeptic of everything else other than their efforts.
What if this physical part is like an antenna or smth? I'm not talking about some electromagnetic transmission but quantum entanglements with something else that may be outside our whole universe. We do not know anything yet. I suggest more experiments at a chemical level especially in this part.
Thanks, I'll watch the video and possibly leave my comments. However I do not think that consciousness is just an epiphenomenon of our brain ... it would seem the simplest explanation but if you think about it it is the most absurd of hypotheses.
Claustrum is not the region of the brain where to some degree consciousness is "regulated". Thalamus and brainstem can do the same thing. What's fascinating is the fact that the brain is able to compensate for the large brain mass losses including half of the brain in hemispherectomy. If there was a special place in the brain responsible for consciousness, it would be removed, or disabled by hemispherectomy surgical procedure. But that's not what happens... Clearly, consciousness is an orchestrated effect possibly by the microtubules in neurons via quantum entanglement, or something else. General anesthesia causes total loss of consciousness while all other brain functions remain normal...
If the universe occurred strictly by chance how can we trust any reasoning that our our evolved brains discover about the universe? We are all just one big Boltzmann Brain.
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Asking where the consciousness exists is like trying to pinpoint where exactly h2o is wet.
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I think our biology has evolved so much that maybe our brain can manipulate the quantum world
like how our olfactory nerves detect smell
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Lol so true
Does anesthesia make water less wet or does it inhibit quantum mechanical phenomena ?
Mr. Ash, I really like that you're willing to tackle these sticky questions so reasonably and honestly.
Why can’t the claustrum be like a WIFI card. Receiving conscious? That could be turned off and on in such a way.
Such a small part of the brain. Seems more likely to be the antenna rather than the central computer.
Maybe anyways.
Why can't it be? Well, there's no good reason to believe it functions like that.
You're more intelligent than the scientist pushing their own agenda's and thoeries for reputation, you've seen the big basic flaw this video has. Yeah If i disable my mobile phone's signal reciever than that proves that the signal is inside my mobile phone and not out there, coming from a satellite right? Not every science video is actually scientific or correct, and science is always changing they always learn new things and how wrong they were about something previously.
@@AveiMil Thats a poor reason to dismiss the entire idea. Conciounsess is a forever on going debate, and science still doesnt agree to one thing or another. Only an idiot would blow away a possibility without investigating it. If the universe is inside the brain and caused by all neurons firing together then how is the brain inside the universe too? Why is there this paradox? If we cut open your skull why can you see your brain as something seperate? and if you touch it with your hands why doesn't it feel like you're touching "yourself" instead of pink flesh on your fingertips? Here's a better documentary with scientist about consciouness ua-cam.com/video/w0ztlIAYTCU/v-deo.html from minute 26:00 onwards they talking about one universal consciouness. Your entire body is made up of individual cells and organisms that creates a big overall human, these do the work of pumping your heart, digesting food, reparing wounds, all without your conscious effort, and yet your thinking mind has fooled you into thinking that you're a "real" individual entity The only reason you think you're an individual person seperate from reality is because of an "idea" the "me vs other". And ideas aren't real. They are thoughts happening within the present moment. Death should prove to you that life is a dream, one that you won't even remember, the future implies no you, so no reference point to know you ever existed in the first place. Now if life is a dream, then if you dream you were doing science in labrotory and you realise you were making ground breaking discoveries about how reality works, but then you wake up, and you realise that it was all a dream, everything was you, you create the science experiments, the people, and the achievments only to realise none of it was real, but your own imgination. Well that's reality, contemplate death more. It makes more sense if Geralt from Witcher 3 games didn't think he was seperate from other 3D objects, or that Tom cruise on the cinema screen was a seperate entity to the rest of the the screen. You see your brain is creating seperation of characters on a 1 big screen, due to thought and idea.
@@eerazor8205 cool name.
I like to believe I'm pretty smart.
I didn't feel like I used much smarts debunking this vid though. Lol
adam gastech your right
I love these videos because they seem to be meditative/calming and intellectually challenging at the same time.
Sedna Floating was his conclusion calming
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The conciousness is mystical because it is connected with the universe. Its an invisible field spread outward in the whole universe. Understanding it i believe holds the key to the riddle.
Yes- even if consciousness is pinned-down to being 'one area of the brain perceiving the other': it does not alter the mystery. How the hell did this happen???? Why??
The concept of “Remote-viewing” is evidence enough that consciousness is not specifically tied to the brain and the feedback loop it shares with the 5 senses
What if it wasn’t the consciousness that was turned off in that experiment, it was the connection from her consciousness to her knowledge and emotions etc... that are stored in the brain
Does the key switch make the car go? Maybe we can get into the key switch science?
Lots of people can learn to drive or start an automobile without having to understand how a car actually works.
Asking where the consciousness was one of the flaws of Descartes's philosophy.
In fact, one of the oldest solutions was given by Berkley, who hypothesed that the world outside us doesn't even exist.
I actually had a similar intuition many years ago before I started studying philosophy: the material world is just an abstraction as well as physical models (which are precise mathematical abstractions), though imprecise and spontaneous. So consciousness is not located anywhere: it's space itself that is in our consciousness.
Love that! Totally agree! Switching it off with a probe does not alter that insight!
Thank you Arvin! Yes, that which makes us conscious is within us. I don't necessarily think consciousness is in a physical part of us but we, that is life along with our bodies, produce consciousness. It is as if consciousness were the light in a light bulb. Before a switch is turned on the bulb is connected to wires and has a body with filaments and other part in it, but not light itself. But when the switch is turned on, and thus electricity flows through the bulb it produces light. Our bodies are like bulbs, life is the electricity that flows through which produces consciousness in our brains. The switch was turned on at or some time after conception but before birth.
I quite agree with that. Just because the probe 'switched it off' it doesn't really prove that consciousness is not God- it would simply tell me that consciousness is no longer located in that spot.
Great video. I would like to share my thought here. What if the claustrum was like a barrier to the actual flow of consciousness that was within that woman (and is there inside everyone). What if I say that what we call mind in philosophy was actually a part of the claustrum and the subjective experiences that one experience is something not fully realized and experienced because of the mind? What if the woman was actually seeing the world as it is without any human "filter"...The problem lies In the alternate definition of what being conscious means in the medical field vs the definition of consciousness according to philosophy. Medical field can say a person is "unconscious" if the person cannot respond to a stimuli, for instance, when a person faints. But philosophy says consciousness is qualia or qualitative and subjective experience. So a person in coma who is "unconscious" can still have subjective experience, in other words they are conscious. So basically even if the woman was unresponsive, it doesn't mean that she didn't have any subjective or conscious experience. The problem lies here. Its difficult to design an experiment that can say for sure if the person is actually having subjective experiences or not. Since subjective experiences are stored as memories (like your dreams get stored sometimes) damage to the memory region actually erased any and every conscious experiences that she might have had during the time her claustrum was not working. This might have led to the belief that maybe she didn't have any subjective experience. The closest we can go is to use electrodes and see what's going on inside the brain. What if consciousness is something that doesn't emerge from the brain, it is fundamental to reality and the fact that scientists can see parts of brain light up (neuronal firing) is emerging due to consciousness? What I propose is what if consciousness is the energy and the brain (and body) the vessel?
science has miles to go if they really wish to find the origin of consciousness... Thanks : )
Wow 👏👏 I love this point. It's a connection to the energy itself, like an antenna.
Very good points. For those of us who remember past lives, we do not still have the claustrum of the brain of those lives - yet we still have access to the memories. The memories live on within our soul and the spirits resonations. The events of memories that need the most work or that we can gain from show up more in our spiritual resonations as we continue our incarnational spirals through the space of time, as we move forward on earths timelines of incarnating. On a side note: I have this strange ability where I can point to a spot on my head and dircet my focus to the spot and random memories flood to me (without an electrode). It's not something I do for fun since it's a bit extreme when you realize what's happening.
not if the brain is simply a receiver. finding the switch that turns off a radio does not prove that the music is produced inside the radio.
I hear that analogy a lot. My question is - A receiver from what? All evidence is that every single thought originated from the brain. Where else would it come from?
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@@ArvinAshI know this is an old video but maybe the Noosphere, I know it's probably not real and I don't actually believe in it, I believe that consciousness comes from our own brain, but it's still an interesting idea
Great explanation and the Claustrum is indeed an interesting area to research when considering how the brain integrates individual types of perceptions and judgments into a stream of awareness. Though in its essence consciousness should not be made synonymous with that stream of awareness that seemed to disappear when the woman's Claustrum was disconnected as that could have only made her appear unconscious and stop her memory integration. It is impossible to measure how conscious the woman was during that short time because we cannot put ourselves into another persons subjective experience by means of any experiment. We are simply treating something inherently subjective objectively and therein lies the problem of studying consciousness as it is any other physiological process and trying to measure when it is on or off. The actual subjective awareness associated with the woman's consciousness could have been on when the Claustrum was disconnected, yet the disconnection of the Claustrum rendered no externalities present for us to objectively measure and conclude that she was indeed conscious.
It is a sticky question, because even if you can point to a mechanism of consciousness necessary for conscious observation of being to occur, it doesn't seem to answer the question, what is conscious observation. The question of what it is to experience the consciousness of the brain would still be a place where people could imagine mysticism.
Good point.
Glad to have some of your vids as I stumble through my existential crisis. Subbed today.
Existential Crisis - is perhaps what i should call this channel? You've come the right place my friend! Welcome. Existential thoughts pretty much runs 24 hours a day for me.
@@ArvinAsh No one knows the ultimate truth of reality and everything so consciousness. We can not separate anything from everything means all are different but the oneness. Meditate 🧘🏼♂️
Just because claustrum and "switch off" apparent consciousness doesn't mean that consciousness itself is not non-local. In the same way that a lightbulb switch can turn off the bulb but it does not mean that the wires are still not electrified.
Exactly. My radio's knob does not mean music is inside my radio. My radio just receives EM waves & vibrates air molecules & then my mind projects conscious experiences onto the vibrations. When a beloved relative passed, some music sounded very heavenly to me. Therefore music is not inside the radio. Our consciousness resonates with the air vibrations somehow.
Its always joy to hear Mr. Arvin. His voice is calm and appealing to the ears. I watched almost all videos of him. Wether the topic interested me or not. Just to hear him.
Wow, thanks my friend! That's some high praise. I appreciate it. See you in the next one.
Nice guy cheers for sharing,I could sit with you and s beer and listen for hours 😂👍🏻
Thanks my friend. I will do a live chat in the future. Hope you'll join us then.
you are missing a vital point, consciousness lives outside of the brain & also can & does inhabit the brain. When the claustrum is switched there is then no connection between the brain & consciousness, the consciousness is still aware of itself & this is where the claustrum theory falls apart. When the consciousness returns to the switched on brain the brain has no memory
of its consciousness leaving the body simply because the memory was not created from the body senses & the brain has in itself no access to most of out of the body experiences. similar to dreams we leave the body for these experiences,& when we wake up sometimes we can experience these memories fading, again because they were not made through body senses.
Yes this is a fact.
switching off doesn't mean consciousness is local. turn off the TV. humans disappear from the screen. then goes back when turned on. it doesn't mean humans are inside your TV set
Thanks for the comment. I'm hearing the TV and Radio signal analogy from others as well in this comment section. If true, where do you believe these signals could be emanating from?
@@ArvinAsh The problem is when you answer that question, we're in the area of 100% pure conjecture, philosophy, religion and that's just not where I'm willing to go. As much as I like the idea, I prefer to not go beyond the mere idea that Materialism is an outdated idea. Here are 300 cognitive scientists who have the same views. (That consciousness is external and brain could be an antenna who merely access it) opensciences.org/about/manifesto-for-a-post-materialist-science
@@kidyounot3387 Nobody knows. Chalmers has 2 hypothesis. Panpsychism and the Universal Foundation of Reality. The first would mean its materialist but its everywhere. The second would mean its working with the Quantum phenomenon. If you choose to investigate the 2nd, you would be met with 2 hypothesis on how this is happening. This is from Penrose and Hameroff. As a secular, I would say "I don't know. I'm waiting for the scientists above to figure it out". But as a Tibetan Buddhist, I would say, it doesn't matter.
Arvin Ash the fish asks “where is water” while living in it its whole life. Study the vedantic scriptures of india arvin bhai. And since you just don’t want to go into the realm of philosophy, go into it experientally and meditate. Know it for yourself, firsthand! Even scientific facts are second hand.You seem to have a bias.
To suggest that consciousness is limited to activity from organ in the brain, leads to the question how was this organ so intricately designed without some degree of consciousness?
Thank you but we believe consciousness is vaster than the brain, we not sure that it can be contained only in the brain. Consciousness is quantum, beyond physical. Namaste
Just want to say how much I enjoy your videos--you have helped this math-phobic at least have a glimmer about some aspects of physics! Many, many thanks!
Is the claustrum on both sides of the brain? Very interesting topic!
Yes Halo...it is on both sides of the brain. Only one side was shown in the video to illustrate how the experiment was done. Sorry for the confusion.
@@ArvinAsh i literally thought its just one
Claustrum
And offcourse scientists have turn off the both claustrum together
And they have also just switched one off for the sake of fun ?
To see if still the girl is showing the same effect ?
Yes it is, the claustrum is grey matter (cell bodies of neurons) deep to the insulate lobe, its sandwiched between two white matter areas (axons) called the external and extreme capsules. The claustrum is bilateral, we do have one side of the brain that is dominant, so I would infer the same is true for these paired sets of neurons.
It's interesting but medication can have the same effect. Identifing a region in the brain with unique characteristics is wonderful...
The aspect of defining the complex features of conciousness and the potential of emergent qualities within the frame of conciousness is not resolved per what you appear to imply.
I think that’s more your interpretation and less the actual content of the video
The brain is an instrument that is used by consciousness to express Itself in this realm. Consciousness exist outside of this realm and physicality is not a necessity for consciousness to exist.
given the reported effects of high doses, it's interesting that salvia affects the claustrum
Yes, the mind-altering effects of Salvia divinorum is intriguing, since it is shown to affect the claustrum the most. I would be interested in results of any human trials, although I don't know if this will ever be possible.
Boy, I had to look thre times at these posts as I was reading it as "saliva." And wondering how it could possibly get inside the brain or who would put it there.
I never knew that about how Salvia affects the human brain. Now knowing that and the information given in this video...I can personally tell you from my own experience with Salvia...this actually may make sense about concsiousness.. because that's how I've told the story for more than 12 yrs.... when That Salvia hit me... EVERYTHING just "Went Away"... nobody could really comprehend what i meant, but I mean... EVERYTHING , this whole reality just Faded and dissolved away... Kind of like when the TV has no signal... Just dark and everything "went away".... It was such a saddening experience.... but when I came to... They asked me if I was ok.... and all i could say is "YES!' Everything was great.... just being back and having the capability to do ANYTHING again was SO GREAT. I was SO glad to be back to life, so to speak... It really changed the way I looked at being alive forever.
The same could be true for Cannabis Sativa. Mind-altering effects are reported.
It’s cerebrospinal fluid, not saliva!
I like your thoughts , at least you are not denying there's nothing beyond science,I am not religious at all ,not atheist either,
You are the only channel now producing quality contents for viewers unlike those typical ad based click bait videos
Very specific parts of each and every Brain Neuron, the Microtubials, download Consciousness from the Platonic Spacetime Geometry of the Universe (ORCH OR Theory) A very specific part of the Brain, the Claustrum, turns these Brain Neurons On and Off. But, this Video has done an excellent job in helping to explain the 'Soft' problem of Consciousness.
I love his videos. He got True Scientific Understanding. He Never Rejects Anything Outright Just because we don’t have Discovered it yet. Great Job.
Also, the claustrom could just be a bridge between our natural brain and something in another dimension. It's possible.
I am not that good in English. But these video series are something I do listen repeatedly even slowing down play speed. Most of topics and its comments are somethings I was questioning myself. I must say warm Thank you for your efforts. from south Korea.
Arvin, the brain is a receiver of consciousness. Finding a on-off switch does not change that. Also, general anesthesia is also a different on-off switch. Consciousness is obviously fundamental to the universe. Just look at quantum mechanics and be objective about it, and don"t worry about your peers sneering at you. There are stuck in the past.
The center of the world is always where you stand.
First time hearing about this looks like I have to stay breaking out the medical journals more often📚📚
The Law myoho-renge-kyo represents the identity of what some scientists refer to as the ‘unified field of all consciousnesses’. In other words, it’s a sound vibration that is the essence of all of existence and non-existence, the ultimate creative force behind planets, stars, nebulae, people, animals, trees, fish, birds, and all phenomena, manifest or latent. All matter and intelligence are simply waves or ripples manifesting to and from this core source. Consciousness (enlightenment) is itself the true creator of everything that is, ever was and ever will be, right down to the minutest particles of dust, each being an individual ripple or wave. The big difference between chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo and most other conventional prayers is that instead of depending on a ‘middleman’ to connect us to our state of enlightenment, we’re able to do it ourselves by tapping directly into it by way of self-produced sound vibration.
On the subject of ‘Who or What Is God?’, when we compare the concept of ‘God’, as a separate entity that is forever watching down on us, to Nichiren’s teachings, the true omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of what most people call ‘God’ is our enlightenment, which exists nowhere else but within us.
When the disciples asked Jesus where the Kingdom of God is, didn’t he tell them that it was within them?
Some say that ‘God’ is an entity that can never be seen. I think that the vast amount of information that is constantly being conveyed via electromagnetic waves gives us proof of how an invisible state of ‘God’ could actually exist. It’s widely known that certain data being relayed by way of electromagnetic waves has the potential to help bring about extraordinary and powerful effects, including instant global awareness of something or mass emotional reaction. As well as many other things, it’s also common knowledge that these waves can easily be used to detonate a bomb or to even enable NASA to control the movements of a robot as far away as the Moon or Mars. However, none of this is possible without a receiver to decode the information that is being transmitted. Without the receiver, the information would remain impotent.
In a very similar way, it’s important for us to have our ‘receiver’ switched on so that we can activate a clear and precise understanding of our life, all other life and what we and all else that exists truly is. Chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo helps us to achieve this because it allows us to reach into the core of our enlightenment and switch it on. That’s because the sound vibration of myoho-renge-kyo represents the combination of the three major laws that underlie all existence.
Myoho represents the Law of latency and manifestation (Nature) and consists of two alternating states. One state of myo is where everything in life that’s not obvious to us exists. This includes our stored memories when we’re not thinking about them, our hidden potential and inner emotions whenever they’re not being expressed, our desires, our fears, our wisdom, happiness, karma, and more importantly, our enlightenment. The other state, ho, is where everything in Life exists whenever it becomes obvious to us, such as when a thought pops up from within our memory, whenever we experience or express our emotions, or whenever a good or bad effect manifests from our karma. When anything becomes apparent, it simply means that it has come out of the state of ‘myo’ (dormancy/latency) and into a state of ho (manifestation). It’s simply the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness, being awake or asleep, or knowing and not knowing something.
The second law, renge, governs and controls the functions of myoho, ren meaning cause and ge meaning effect. The two laws of myoho and renge, both functions together simultaneously, as well as underlies all spiritual and physical existence.
The final and third part of the tri-combination, kyo, is what allows the law myoho to be able to integrate with the law renge. It’s the great, invisible thread of energy that fuses and connects together all Life and matter, as well as the past, present and future. It is often termed the Universal Law of Communication. Perhaps it could even be compared to the string theory that some scientists now suspect exists.
Just as our body cells, thoughts, feelings and all else are constantly fluctuating within us, everything in the world around us and beyond is also in a constant state of flux, in accordance with these three laws. In fact, more things are going back and forth between the two states of myo and ho in a single moment than it would ever be possible for us to calculate or describe. And it doesn't matter how big or small, important or trivial that anything may appear to be, everything that’s ever existed in the past exists now or will exist in the future, exists only because of the workings of myoho-renge-kyo.
These three laws are also the basis of the four fundamental forces and if they didn't function, neither we nor anything else could go on existing. Simply put, all forms of existence, including the seasons, day and night, birth, death and so on, are all moving forward in an ongoing flow of continuation, rhythmically reverting back and forth between the two universal states of myo and ho in absolute accordance with renge and by way of kyo. Even stars are dying and being reborn in accordance with the workings of what the combination myoho-renge-kyo represents.
Nam, or Namu, on the other hand, is a password or a key; it allows us to reach deep into our life and fuse with or become one with myoho-renge-kyo. On a more personal basis, nothing ever happens by chance or coincidence, it’s the causes that we’ve made in our past, or are presently making, that determine how these laws function uniquely in each of our lives from moment to moment, as well in our environment. By facing east, in harmony with the direction that the Earth is turning, and rhythmically chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo for a minimum of ten minutes daily, anyone can experience actual proof of its positive effects in their life.
In so doing, we can pierce through even the thickest layers of our karma and activate our Buddha Nature (the enlightened state). We’re then able to summon forth the wisdom needed to challenge, overcome and change our negative circumstances into positive ones. It brings forth the wisdom that can free us from the ignorance and stupidity that is preventing us from accepting and being proud of the person that we truly are, regardless of our race, colour, gender or sexual preference. We are also able to see and understand our circumstances and an environment more clearly, as well as attract and connect with any needed external beneficial forces and situations.
Actual proof soon becomes apparent to anyone who chants the words Nam-myoho-renge-kyo on a regular daily basis. Everything is subject to the law of Cause and Effect, so the strength of the result from chanting depends on dedication, sincerity and determination. To explain it more simply, the difference could be compared to making a sound on a piano, creating a melody, or producing a song and so on.
NB: There are frightening, disturbing sounds and there are tranquil and relaxing sounds. It's the emotional result from any sound that can trigger off a mood or even instantly change one. When chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day you are producing a sound vibration that is the password to your true inner-self - this soon becomes apparent when you start reassessing your views on various things, such as your fears and desires etc. The important way to get the best result when chanting is not to see things in a conventional way (difficult to achieve but can be done), rather than reaching out to an external source, you need to reach into your own life and bring your needs and desires to fruition from within, including any help that you may need. Think of it as a seed within you that you are bringing sunshine and water to in order for it to grow, blossom and bring forth fruit or flowers. It’s important to understand that everything that we need in life, all the answers and potential to achieve our dreams, already exist within us.
ua-cam.com/video/6CZ0XJqWRr4/v-deo.html OLIVIA NEWTON-JOHN sings about Nam-myoho-renge-kyo
I think we are just extremely rare arrangements of atoms. Quantum computers coupled with super advanced AI, that have enough neural connections arranged in a certain way will eventually experience consciousness.
Consciousness is fundamental and does not change, it is eternal and only has a range of infinite frequencies call souls. Spirit is consciousness and consciousness is spirit. Consciousness cannot be generated, it simply is.
Where we go when we die
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Our time is limited in this physical world. This is all an illusion. We are all in this field of consiciousness that is outside of the universe. The body is just a vessel. And this conciousness brain is just a receiver.
Princess Elizabeth of Bohemia like this :)
I had to look up that reference...lol. I see what you mean now.
The biggest question I have, is if my "soul" exists only in the brain.. why this brain? Is it possibly for "me" to experience the claustrum of a different creature's brain from birth to death? Why isnt somebody else experiencing my mind, and vice versa?
That's a great question, that has philosophical implications. The "you" that is experiencing your life, behind your eyes, is probably unique to your particular claustrum, and can not be experienced by any other claustrum, or combination of brain patterns of any other animal, including other humans.
Maybe your soul is experiencing other human lives and other creatures lives in other universes or perhaps you are experiencing other lives right here and now on earth through every different creature on earth, there is enough creatures on earth for some souls to be within one of the same creature and in every different species and experience life through that creature. For example, you could be one of the lions and an elephants as well as your human self all at the same time or one of the ants, while someone else is another lion maybe even in the same pride as you. Hope you get what I was trying to say not sure I put it very well.
@@ZeusHelios no you worded that just fine. I've wondered that myself. I remember a time in the woods when a mother deer and her baby just walked right up to me a looked me in the eye, as if it understood my good intentions. I wondered if there was some sort of connection there I dont understand. Ive felt this many times with other creatures, and sometimes other people.
@@Normipedia I've actually felt a connection with plants and trees when I was in my 20's and I haven't forgotten it since.
It just the on/off button
We receive 'signal' from outside as others have pointed
But if the claustrum acts as a switch, then doesn’t that mean that consciousness would have to come from a source other than the brain to function? Just a question
The dude has very uninformed when makeing the videos. This only proves that the brain is a control panel not that it creates conciousnes. Your question is very good. The dude dont put questions.
Radu Coroian ah okay, thanks
It may be that the claustrum is responsible for consciousness or acts like an organ of consciousness receiving and processing centrally, all electrical impulses from different parts of the brain. That an external electric field put close enough to the claustrum can interupt and even cut out neural signals completely and as a consequence turning off consciousness. A severely damaged claustrum, would in theory, result in a complete loss of consciousness. Those are all electrical impulse in; and created by the brain and parts of it.
Albern Newton yes but that’s just how the claustrum functions. If it created consciousness then we would have found that out long ago. It also wouldn’t explain how an organ, a combination of complex cells and electrical signals, can create a consciousness and why it does.
@@albejaine Brain does not create consciousness, it creates intelligence and this 2 are not the same thing. Think at a computer, or robots. They are more inteligent than himans yet they are not conscious, they just repeat a series of comands in certain conditions. Ultimately consciousness is more likely to be an universal proprety, not exclusive to brains.
That on off switch doesnt turn it off if it is remote like the internet. Just turns of the receiver like a cell phone.
Thank you for another fantastic video
If you think Consciousness is confined to our brain or the claustrum then just read the case of Pam Reynolds or you can also find her interwiew in which a surgery was to being carried on here in which her brain was dead and her heart wasn't beating too but when the surgery was over and she was back she could actually define the whole surgery , she described every thing the doctors did while operating on her and she also could here what they said and see what was happening ... Separated from her body and her mind and not just her there are many other such cases...
Consciousness is not limited ... In fact even the smallest of the single cellular organisms have their consciousness and a little bit of intellect ... Probably quantum entanglement is also something thats trying to tell us the same or it may also be a property of those electron or the other fundamental particles of nature ... At the end it's left to you how you interpret it.
Men think epilepsy divine, merely because they do not understand it... We will one day understand what causes it, and then cease to call it divine. And so it is with everything in the universe.”
― Hippocrates
How would the physical brain come up with or produce consciousness? For natural selection / evolution to produce consciousness in human brain, would the physical brain interact with consciousness in the environment?
consciousness is everywhere non material, the brain decodes your particular slice of being to suit your memories and experience
it's awesome to know, but sort of depressing at the same time . I don't want there to be an true end of my existence :(
Look at the bright side, at some point you didnt even exist.
... it's better to have existed & lost than to have never existed at all?
Lol
@@YouveGot2BshittingMe yes
@@juandominguez5885 If you haven’t always existed, then how do you exist now? How can non-existence start existing? As for the argument of you not existing once before, you didn’t exist once and yet, you happened. Why can’t you happen again if it’s already happened once? Some thought provoking stuff for you 😜
Consciousness is flow of energy
That nerve or whatever in the brain is like the switch of a bulb. If a switch is damaged and you cannot get the bulb to work, does that mean that the switch was the source of elecricity? No!! The electricity is there regardless only the device is broken. Similarly consciousness is there regardless and the thing in the human brain is just a receiver of it! So if you knock someone down the device is broken but consciousness remains whatsoever. To know this you need to meditate
Great video. Clearly those whose consciousness is influence by religious dogma finds fault with your video. I'm like the scientific community, I don't know. I have a close friend who told me how she had an out of body experience without any trama. She was handling a prisoner as a correctional officer. She said suddenly she saw herself outside the body doing her job. I am a former science teacher of public and private schools. I know of no present theory of science that can explain this. It may not be supernatural but it maybe a function of our brain and science that we haven't understood just yet.
Danny Tennial
My mother had quite a few out-of-body episodes from the age of 13 on. They freaked her out.
Its a glitch in the matrix. Conciousness is a field.
Dunno, does electricity not exist just because you can physically switch off your lights?
I enjoy your videos very much. Please keep the excellent work
There are some theories that our consciousness is beamed into our bodies sort of like a tv signal. Maybe that Claustrum acts like an antenna. That when we die our consciousness goes back to a sort of singular greater consciousness simply to be beamed back out again; maybe in another form, maybe in another universe. I have no fucking clue, but that is the idea.
Obviously, you can knock somebody unconscious and when they wake up, they won't know what happened, so I don't think that it is a big surprise that they found something specific in the brain that controls consciousness. This is a thought-provoking video like many of your videos, but I don't think it really moves the needle regarding the spiritual argument. I would be curious to see how a Buddhist would respond to this, since they seem to argue that consciousness is like matter and energy, and can be neither created nor destroyed. My problem with that is that it does not appear that living organisms had consciousness in the universe for about 12 billion years. So where was all this consciousness before there were brains?
I am amazed that more people are not watching your videos.
Very presumptuous to assume there weren't any conscious beings before humanity.
As for our human brains, because consciousness is formed through an interoperable process, it's possible we lacked the biological sophistication necessary to develop "identity" or in this case consciousness.
Who knows. It's anyone's guess, maybe we're just getting started as a species.
@@YouveGot2BshittingMe Interoperability is the ability to exchange and use information. Consciousness is awareness of your surroundings. Pretty hard to have one without the other. So maybe there was no consciousness for one or two billion years instead of twelve. That is still a real long time. And maybe we just don't get it. I'm open to that.
I will tell you the eastern spiritual perspective. Consciousness is the underpinning of this entire universe. It is not the product of the brain. Brain or human body uses this body to experience the world. All living and non living things are made up of consciousness. They are evolved out of consciousness ,are within consciousness and make use of consciousness. Just because their brains (mind) of the organisms are not developed doesnt mean consciousness are not present in them. There are able to make use of it depending on the extent they are evolved. Animals have less of a mind compared to human, Plants have even less. Consciousness is like the intelligent energy source which powers the organism, human, animals, plants and even non living things. Scientific community just got it completely wrong, they think consciousness is the product of brain.
I recommend looking into the explanation of consciousness as described by yoga philosophy, specifically Ananda Marga "Path of Bliss" philosophy. Here non-qualified consciousness is primary, creating a cosmic mind and the universe, life and human beings and their brains and minds within this cosmic mind. The spiritual goal of life is to become one with the infinite consciousness from which we were evolved, and also to serve living beings. Consciousness is not in the brain although it is associated with the brain and everything else. Rather the brain is within consciousness. Please check it out. I was trained in physics and psychology by the way.
There are arguments that are incredibly convincing that consciousness is an epiphenomenon of the Brain and likewise there are arguments that are just as convincing that consciousness is transcendent.
What would you say is the best argument that consciousness is a by-product of the brain?
Ecclesiastes 9:5 “For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten”. Thanks Arvin
Couldn’t the claustrum simply be a physical access to separate consciousness?
Hi Arvin.
My understanding is that the conscious is an awareness of a living organic organism that possesses a brain and connected heart that is animated by the force of. Life within cells.
It is not God, but is from God. Consciousness is not in a particular place in the brain but there may be a place in the brain that may regulate it. It would not be consciousness itself but merely controlled or regulated by a part of the brain just as the brain can produce language, yet language is also not part of the brain.
I think it is a pretty big leap to say that because one woman stared blankly and did not respond to stimuli that consciousnesses is created in this one spot in the brain. That there is nothing to consciousness more than a small piece of the brain.
I don't think it is any kind of consciousness but it is simply like hypnotizing the person and the person don't remember anything
I commented earlier as well but ive a wild theory here. Been binge watching your videos since 2 hours. I just presume that Your low subs might be due to the overlords trying to stop you from dispensing the true information to the general public. Your videos are also stopping unexpectedly so dont know maybe... Anyhow again great stuff
Ashar. Life, unfortunately, is a lot more mundane...
Honestly, it isn't overlords. It's this current war on science and discovery led by religious extremists like Creationists. These people aren't harmless and their current agenda is evidence of that.
The claustrum shuts off use of consciousness in the brain of human person, would not shut off consciousness external to brain / human person.
From a programmer's perspective, consciousness is...
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Later studies showed no distruption in consciousness when passing current through the claustrum
I love that this one went straight into the talk without the intro🤣🤣
First we need to discern - are we speaking of mental consciousness or spiritual consciousness. There are many levels and forms of 'consciousness'. To me, someone who has had extreme psychic visions into my future as a toddler - as well as seeing into what appear to be my past lives - true consciousness is multidimensional and thus is spiritual consciousness. Trying to 'make sense' of consciousness with 3rd dimensional mind constructs is limiting one's own consciousness since it is actually multidimensional and comes from higher constructs than what I will term gravitized constructs. Nice video!
Do you think it would be possible that consciousness is a separate entity from your subconscious mind? Both always working together to reach a common goal. For example like in a computer the software and the hardware.
Could it be that your consciousness consists of pure intellect that has access to the brain to store and retrieve information?
Very interesting question. You could be onto something. I don't think anybody knows the answer. My personal opinion is that the subconscious is that part of your brain that takes and integrates information that is present from your 5 senses, but not available to you intellectually. For example, you might get a negative feeling after meeting someone but can't put your finger on why. This is your brain processing subtle information in the background - for example, body language, smells, visual cues that your intellect did not think anything of, but your subconscious program did process. This could be like hardware and software like you said.
The brain is a quantum computer.
It has been proven that consciesness is outside the brain. Near Death Experiences, or reincarnation cases where kids remember their past life shows not only that consciesness is seperate but that it also does not need the body to perceive. Now that very disturbing indeed, and I wander what the purpose of our bodies is. Maybe it's just some sort of stimulation, or what some call Atman, the universal consciesness separating and trying to experience though Maya (illusion)
@@rajprasad5899 I like your belief that our consciesnes is the sum of our past and present experiences. If I might ask, is that grounded on your religious beliefs? I personally grew up as a dogmatic materialist, but opened myself to the idea of consciesness (soul) as seperate entitie after reading on empirical studies done on the subject.
If you are, what religious persuasion do your beliefs come from?
@@rajprasad5899 yea, consciousness is awareness of one's unique self. Other beliefs and experiences and theories added by you are contradictory to that definition.
Dear Arvin
Riddle me this
Excretion of urine is an emergent property of renal cells in renal tissue
Consciousness is the emergent property of neurotransmitter firing brain cells in brain tissue
Urine is physical and can be analyzed physically down to its elementary particles
Is consciousness physical and can it be analyzed down to elementary particles?
Your opinion matters to me
Thanks for your patronage my friend. I don't have any doubt that consciousness is physical. I think much more mystery is put into this than needs to be. At the root of our consciousness is neuronal activity in the brain. This is where all thoughts, feelings, memory, and knowledge reside. These can be traced to electrical and chemical flow in the brain. Although this is an area of ongoing research, recent research has made great strides in pinpointing certain brain function to various parts of the brain. Much more research is needed, but I believe we will be able to completely map the brain, and through this, our consciousness in the near future.
I don’t agree that the Claustrum ‘switch’ means consciousness doesn’t exist outside of the brain. It may be more like a radio, turning the switch doesn’t make all music disappear from the airwaves.
Does that mean a light switch is compelling evidence that electricity is generated in the switch mechanism?
Also, why would the brain generate consciousness? It already has a job, to process information, just as the gut has the job of processing energy, and we don't attribute some great extra function to the gut.
Arguably, consciousness is more likely simply is a function of being alive, of all the body systems working in concert, and the brain filters and amplifies that consciousness to create a picture that historically promote reproduction.
The simple consciousness of simple organisms would be considered by humans to be "unconscious" or "automatic", being too small and subtle for us to notice, so we dismiss it.
Is consciousness anything more than advanced processing and interpretation of information, which is what the brain does?
Consciousness may be what all the body systems in concert do. The entire integrated system that includes the brain, with countless feedback loops and interdependencies, will necessarily be immensely more complex than just the brain alone, which is the main locus of complexity in the body but not the only one.
So qualia *may* simply be a function of being alive, dependent on a CNS (or at least sensing) but not exclusively generated by the brain.
The challenge with brain-only hypotheses is how the dynamic patterns of neuronal processing might translate to the rich theatre of existence. At this stage, it remains the "hard problem".
BTW Arvin, thanks very much for your channel - it is one of my favourites :)
A light switch is just a switch; it is not the source of the power.
Neither is our brain mitochondria are the source of power
But it is connected to the source of power.
What a vapid comment
@@sewerface What a vapid comment.
I must disagree with you in this case as I have had several near-death experiences which made me to understand that consciousness is in the spirit be mediated by the Soul
Thank you Lord Jesus my lord and savior for dying on the cross for my disgusting sins and revealing my conscious so I know what to do and what not to do 🙏🏻
Amen.
BTW, the term consciousness in other philosophy doesn't match the term consciousness being used here. Mind and consciousness is two different entities in deep spiritual philosophy. So, in this case, we cannot generalize in this way as being mentioned here.
Makes me wonder if the pineal gland is connected to the claustrum . we have more sences than 5 , a sence of humor , a sence of balance and on and on . it goes to show that as each question is answered it sparks a thousand more .
Great content !!!
Thanks. Yes there could be a connection between the two. Maybe this accounts for "consciousness-altering" experiences that people have after taking certain drugs that affect the pineal gland?
For the sake of argument I'll interpret the scientific name for it as "unquantified". You see, the problem with science is that they're concerned with the quantifiable, e.i. the measurable. Never mind the fantastic theorems that we would call hypothetical. So they will never say anything about souls, spirits, or God except that it doesn't exist unless they can measure it.
Consciousness is a collection of everything we have experienced. This experience can be altered using drugs, meditation, when in extreme pain, trauma, or when the brain is subjected to high energy electromagnetic fields like gamma, alpha or beta waves. Human consciousness would be the collection of information we've interpreted. I don't believe the body produces a consciousness. I guess you could say consciousness is a focal point in space and time interpreting everything in the universe.
Can I do your intro music for you? I love your channel, but it makes me feel like I'm being taken into a Beverly Hills mansion to see a wall of books and a 30 year old millionaire.
through us God enters his creation.
Consciousness is defined mostly as ability to question self existance , switching on and off brain makes no sense . You know r8, that intelligence and consciousness are two different things
but why is my conscousness my consciousness or your, yours? How did I get in this body, why am I not just one of the other people. Why that baby my parents had, just two random people. First person perspective, or the 'I' is baffling to me.
Wait a minute, I have a question to make. I'm interested in this experiment, was the woman conscious about herself? could she remember her name and who she although her mind was empty and aloof? or she had forgotten herself too?
She had no reaction. She was like a vegetable, then become perfectly ok, when the electricity was turned off. And she did not remember that she had become like a vegetable.
@@ArvinAsh thanks for making it clear, it seems the claustrum function is a very important and essential function of the brain and it is interesting to find out more about this
If we examine the studies about near death experiences it makes it impossible to support the current understanding that brain creates consciousness. People who are brain dead, have no perceptions as we know them, but people could see things and hear and remember conversations.
No brain dead person has ever come back to life. The brain is always alive if the person has come back. Their senses still work, so they can still perceive, though it may be unconsciously.
Now I know who is the culprit when I go blank or do nothing! Its claustrum ; I got new person to blame my laziness 😅
I hope there's barbecues in heaven!
My phone does not have youtube videos stored inside it. I can still access youtube with Wifi. That does not mean wifi is residing inside it physically. Similarly, conciousness can be result from a resonance of a particular frequency that reaches 'a part of the brain', so individuals have different experiences like different tvs having different channels
Please, don't say stuff that makes us look like meatbags. We are more than that, and there is a lot of discoveries to be made ahead of us
You said it right earlier in but just because you find the switch that may disconnect your body from your consciousness does not mean it is produced within that part in of course your body needs a switch the same way your TV needs an infrared detector to receive input from your remote
What makes you think that consciousness does not come from within the body, and specifically the brain? All evidence points to this.
@@ArvinAsh I've never claimed to have all the answers to everything but when I see something that is claiming to show consciousness from the brain only simply because his conscious awareness was interrupted as the claustrum was being affected... which only show that it is a link in the chain.
Meaning of course if there's a non material reality that causes consciousness it would need a material link to our bodies for us to be able to control these meat bags that we walk around in. But to imply that this is what consciousness is and where it comes from. In my opinion it just shows that the creator of this video has a personal bias and his world view seems to be one of Neo Darwinism.
And quite honestly if you're someone that refuses to believe in a God or a higher power than no other person's testimony will ever sway you ...
But since you asked I will respond...
1.I have personally had an outer body experience...(meaning outside of my body fully conscious I could see myself. with knowledge and memories of my entire life as well as retaining the knowledge and experiences of being outside of myself once I returned).
2. My youngest son was diagnosed with trisomy 18 in my wife's womb. ultrasound photos from multiple hospitals showed physical deformities for eight months with Gene testing to confirm. then finally after 2 weeks of no heartbeat they went to remove my child from my wife as a dead fetus, after 3 hours of waiting the doctor came and told me that she had no explanation for what had happened and that not only did my son no longer have any physical deformities in his body from the disease he also appeared to not even have the disorder at all any longer ( which he didn't) he's 13 now completely normal kiddo.. who at 3 years old explained to me during a car ride how the moon affects Earth , how the solar system is setup and how the universe has galaxies. I asked him where he learned this because he was too young to understand these complicated ideas, he never watched television shows about these things he was still only watching colors and shapes at that point...
his response to me was when I was inside of my mommy God taught me everything there is to know and the more that I'm here the less that I remember from being there.
Does this prove to you that consciousnesses is in the brain or somewhere outside as a separated mind?
That it does not my friend but ask yourself honestly if our lives were switched would you believe that there's only a naturalistic explanation for everything.
And yes it would be very easy for you to just say you don't believe me and my wife. But that makes no difference to me, I have no worries about what I don't understand about the universe or what happens when we close our eyes and take our last breath in these bodies that we have on this side of reality and life.
PS have a good day
Ok i just randomly made a TED talk on this. sry if it's nonsense. it's also for myself.
what if consciousness is simply the information that all particles have the capability of collecting of another particle's position? That way the brain may contain the consciousness of every memory we have and thereby all the particle positions we have been the witness of. I theorize that the claustrum seperates the consciousness in the brain, so that there's no longer any connections between the bunch of isolated consciousnesses for taste, hearing, sight and so on. I'm taking a wild guess. I dont understand how a woman's non-reaction proves anything. she might as well get paralyzed and stop collecting memory for those few seconds. it's such a tricky thing, that i think the best option is to understand consciousness as a force of nature. I don't see there being any specific trait to the brain that should make it otherwise. Rocks and trees are also conscious, i think - just in a completely different way. Imagine there being a particle of sadness
I would like to offer that consciousness is the natural expression of experience and experience is the natural expression of change. Change generates experience and experience generates consciousness. Thus consciousness is the universal condition and constant of change. Who or what is conscious is the experiencer, otherwise called "I". I is the result of formation which continues through dissolution and again through formation etc. within an infinite play of names and forms. There are macro formations and micro formations, each experiencing the universal in their own indigenous way. Higher and lower formations of consciousness exist as ever-changing vibratory fields. In human beings, these fields express either as dullness, activity, or serenity. In Sanskrit, they are called tamas, rajas, and sattva. One mentor with whom I studied once asked, "How could a living God, create dead matter?" From a Buddhist perspective, form arises out of formlessness and resolves back into formlessness. However, though form and formlessness are distinct, they are paradoxically one and the same. This consciousness abides both within and beyond all space and time.
@@rajprasad5899 Conscious is universal so it remains intact. Does "our" consciousness remain intact? No. When your automobile goes to the junkyard, does it remain intact? When your rice and dahl goes into your stomach and is eliminated from there, does it remain intact? Consciousness as change remains intact. Personality, memory, history dissolves. If and when humanity goes the way of the dinosaur or dodo bird, who or what of ourselves will remain? Fear of death is our temporal formation's (ego) fear of non-existence. Metaphorically speaking, the music is always the same, its just the instrument that forever changes. As such, consciousness is always opening and closing its eyes as if for the first time. Pretty cool!
@@rajprasad5899 The key word to your question is the word "the". The precedes a noun, when in truth everything and everyone is a verb. The universe is an incomprehensibly vast field of energy, forming into galaxies, stars, planets etc. in endless combinations of shapes and forms. Each of us for a while is a formation, that dissolves and then resolves into other formations with each form acting according to its own elemental nature. Each moment within the field is a new experience. Your question is a new experience for me with my answer a new experience for you. Consciousness organically arises out of experience, albeit for a bird, a rock, a tree, the experiences of each are vastly different from the sensory mechanisms and experiences that make up you and me. In truth there is no death as a period but rather as a coma, end of story, new story... I think we as humans get caught up in the theater and theatrics of our experiences out of which good, bad or otherwise, as personalities with memories we are afraid will one day end. I think what frightens us most is not the ending but rather the anticipation of the pain and suffering that often precedes it. Culturally, through so much of our history, our memories and life experiences, we have come to fear rather than welcome death as a friend. As for myself, I imagine that when it is my time, I will either transition with fear, loss of memory and.or with curiosity. In truth it will not matter given that i will transition just the same. Into what? Who knows?? Before my birth I was no thing and after my death, I imagine I will be no thing once again. Since there is no thing I can do about it, I just sit and meditate and then stand and go about my business before going to sleep and then waking up to repeat and rinse over and over again!
@@rajprasad5899 My apologies if I have misunderstood the question.
Evolution is change. Change here suggests a past, present and future. What is, however, changeless is the awareness of the same. As such, awareness doesn't evolve, given that there is nothing outside of itself to evolve into. The idea of timelessness, formlessness and so forth is in truth as alien to us as water is to dry, desert land. We are temporal, our perception of our world and universe is also temporal. From what I understand of meditative experience, that within the stillness, the distinction between self and other dissolves. In the Heart Sutra, the revelation was that "form is no other than emptiness and emptiness no other than form". Also in the Sanscrit chant, the prayer is to "lead us from the fear of death to a knowledge of our immortal nature." Evolution from this standpoint for ourselves would be the dissolution of self and thus self-awareness, given that in dynamic stillness the question has no foundation to arise.
@@rajprasad5899 Thanks for continuing the inquiry. When I say I, I am identifying myself as a distinct formation (birth) at a specific point of existence in space and time. I am conscious, aware, cognizant of both me and what I, through my mind and senses distinguish as not me. Where I am going with this is that it all happens simultaneously, just as fire, for example, generates heat, or water,vapor.
Consciousness is not something I possess, as in "my" consciousness, but rather is the natural effect of formation itself. Given that every "thing" is a formation, every "thing" is conscious or self-aware. However, the awareness of a rock, a plant, a planet, is very distinct from human awareness which is indigenous to you and me. When i am in deep sleep or if I were to go into a coma, the body is still conscious, however, the mechanism of awareness of self and other as the brain is in a state of shock (unconscious) or rest. What, through our sensory perception, we see, or interpret to be the universe, is the largest formation that we know. Given that we are an inseparable part of this grand formation, then our own conscious formation is an integral part of the vastly greater whole. Each of us in effect is the tiniest cell, doing our particular dance on the largest elephant that we know.
@@rajprasad5899 What we call the universe is an incomprehensively vast dynamic energy field. Consciousness is a product of this endless formation and dissolution. Personality/identity is a temporal expression of this field. Identity has a beginning, middle and an end. Nothing more and nothing less. Attachment to identity is the source of ignorance and when identity is threatened, is the cause of fear. My parents are no more, my grandparents are no more other than in my memory. They do not exist in your memory just as yours never existed in mine. What we, however, have in common as a species are parents and grandparents. In the future, we might have children and grandchildren and so forth, which at this moment may or may not yet exist. The word God, soul, etc were some of our earlier tribal constructs to try to make sense of it all. Science is our latest form of religion. Now, what we call different levels or states of consciousness or conscious experience is a direct expression of heat and vibrancy coursing through the body/mind. Drugs can produce a "temporary" heated stated, usually followed by a depression, given the large expenditure of energy needed to produce the effect. Sports, yoga, chi qong, and meditation are more natural "diciplines" to achieve the same and as such a better trajectory if one is serious about having more vibrant experiences. The endgame, however, as I understand it, is absorption, whereby their is no longer an identification with the body/mind as the seat of consciousness. Here, the soul as centerless/formeless center is this energy field itself expressing endless as every name and form. At least that is my understanding at this time.
Here's one for you all, as I've been reading some of the comments. I have epilepsy and have not always known about it. I was 34 when I discovered that I have it and take medication to treat it. I don't believe that it's demonic possession or anything like that, it's a condition treatable by medication and that's how it goes. It's gotten in the way of my ability to go to work but that's temporary and to "H "E double toothpicks with the idea of being on disability, i have ambitions and want to work and make money. Well so anyway what I wanted to say is that one day living in my house when I was highly depressed and using an illegal substance in 2015. I've given that lifestyle up already and live with some Christians. But okay anyway back then there was a time when I woke up walking down the street a block away from my house wondering how in the world I'd gotten there and how on earth did i not die walking that far unconscious. Like there was traffic going on down the street around me albeit i was on the sidewalk, but Still. So just saying because in the video they explain that the lady was unconscious, well i was unconscious, and somehow some kind of way made it to where I had walked to safely. 100% true story.
Finding a correlate doesn't necessarily mean that the problem of consciousness has been solved. The path has deviated grossly, steering clear of the fundamental question as to what makes us human and beings. Poking probes, piling tons of technical papers and propounding complex analyses hardly answers anything. In fact consciousness studies in academia is perhaps amongst the most wasteful expenditures of resources, yes on the level of physiology and diagnostic sciences to tackle inconsistencies in perception it helps. But for an answer to why "I" exist as a conscious observer and what is the nature consciousness itself begs a totally different approach. The classic deconstructive approach of science is perhaps the easiest trouble free pathway to explore, so we are being choked that whatever is presented in such a way alone can be true. This is a conditioning similar to what religion was playing, steering clear of any other approaches. Academicians want you to be skeptic of everything else other than their efforts.
Please don't ever ever add music
What if this physical part is like an antenna or smth? I'm not talking about some electromagnetic transmission but quantum entanglements with something else that may be outside our whole universe. We do not know anything yet. I suggest more experiments at a chemical level especially in this part.
so what about Orch Or theory of Nobel physicist Penrose and neurosurgeon Hameroff? Why don't you try to refute it in a video?
I made a video about it here: ua-cam.com/video/bqk1oL42r5s/v-deo.html
Thanks, I'll watch the video and possibly leave my comments. However I do not think that consciousness is just an epiphenomenon of our brain ... it would seem the simplest explanation but if you think about it it is the most absurd of hypotheses.
Thinking why consciousness of a being is just experienced through a specific brain out of so many.
Speed of light is consciousness
Nobody knows.
Claustrum is not the region of the brain where to some degree consciousness is "regulated". Thalamus and brainstem can do the same thing. What's fascinating is the fact that the brain is able to compensate for the large brain mass losses including half of the brain in hemispherectomy. If there was a special place in the brain responsible for consciousness, it would be removed, or disabled by hemispherectomy surgical procedure. But that's not what happens... Clearly, consciousness is an orchestrated effect possibly by the microtubules in neurons via quantum entanglement, or something else. General anesthesia causes total loss of consciousness while all other brain functions remain normal...
Sir, are life and consciousness same? Anesthesia causes loss of consciousness but the person is still alive. What's relation between these
Thank you very much!
This fact only implies that we are highly advanced robots with capabilities of perceiving Universe .
If the universe occurred strictly by chance how can we trust any reasoning that our our evolved brains discover about the universe? We are all just one big Boltzmann Brain.