But they refer to us? I'm a clinical officer specialising in audiology, but medical officers can't stitch the ear! They have to wake me up to go stitch my sound flaps!
I wonder who are these doctors who complain in social media. We work with doctors and consultants daily and everyone know their scope of practice. I don't think with the work load we have in the ground specific for our scope of practice;anyone has energy to fight a team player Otherwise those who are complaining they are not seeing patients but doing office work 🤔
Let these guys argue with data. For instance How many Patients have gone blind following cataract Surgery done by Clinical Officers? Let's get data on CS done by M.Os V/S CS done by Clinical Officers. What is the outcome?
The "big brothers and sisters" are bitter because since devolution, no direct absorption of them in the government hospitals, and governors have come to know that Clinical Officers, Nursing officers, MLTs, COHOs, Pharmtechnologists are better in providing the basic UHC services to patients and they are not egocentric and egoistic with titles and do not want that alot of money without working,besides, an aggressive and intelligent Clinical Officer can attend to a patient and give out that service a patient needs be it in a smaller way, and moreso ,a specialised Clinical Officer is much far better ahead than just a general Medical Officer, my question is, who are managing those specialised clinics? That's TB/CCC , Skin & Lung Diseases, ENT, RH, Paediatrics, Psychiatric and Eye clinics? In blueprint, let them swallow the bitter pill and learn to coexist with other cadres for the better health service delivery to the patients.
What's the purpose of the procedures or the diagnostic tests?... Do clinical officers request imaging tests to store them in their photo albums or do the procedures on themselves... It's for the sole purpose of benefiting the Kenyan population and towards achieving universal health care... I highly doubt if those guys commenting up there are doctors... They look like imposters... Poorly dressed in pathetic hair styles
Physicians group in USA and other developed countries never complain of the PAs or feel threatened. It's in Kenya where some elite are misinformed on different Scopes of practice per cadre and instead bully each other
Who misinformed you PAs are very much disliked in the USA as they seem to be masquerading as doctors without putting in the actual work to become a physician. 2 years in school does not make you competent tomake clinical decisions over a physician. COs and all other mid levels are are threat to patients safety and physician job prospects.
Kmpdu I just not genuine it should be reformed .. clinical officers have specialisation courses and more so also have degree's programs that allows them to perform specific procedures though not all... Let's have a fair play ground... Kmpdu are feeling the pinch of our strength and soon they will be flooded ....we clinical officers we shall resist any attempt to belittle our profession
Some times I am amused why don't you consult clinical officers before inviting neighboring profession to discuss matters pertaining clinical officers... You seemingly have a predetermined information to pass... Anyway that's githeri media for now.
I think this just shows we have a mindset problem in Kenya. Professionals are supposed to respect each other regardless of the capacity they are serving in. It's just like a procurement manager mocking a procurement intern because of their naivity. At the end of the day, demeaning somebody cannot make someone go from 0 to 100% in one month. You can't expect someone to learn in a month what you learnt in five years.
Medical doctors need to look keenly at the curriculum of clinical officers. There problem is not clinical officers there problem they are over trained nowdays. Training of doctors is in every universities. They are expensive to hire and demean other cadres. What they are going through others went through 20 yrs ago and they are quiet. Direct posting has ended don't look down upon others just learn how to survive.
Supremacy battles have no place in such noble profession like health coz the most important thing is to give the best services possible to Kenyan populace nd humanity at large.The scope of practse for the C.O's and M.O's is very clear but we wonder why do Someone get threatened and offended when someone supposedly below him/her becomes progressive and evolve to betterment in a bid to offer the best possible services.The only thing known phenomenon known to have no limits,is foolishness and madness.
Let each play his role. truthfully speaking diploma/hnd COs can nt perform major/most surgeries due to inadequacy of training. we dont want to put patients lives at risk#bitting more than they can chew.Let everybody just play his role. If ur a doctor b proud of that.if ur a CO. Nurse, Labtech, etc be proud of that too.
Its only fool who can be fooled not to see what the accused is capable of doing. People should stop fighting coz NHIF have now authorized CO to benefit from the monopolized kit for many years
clinical officers may not be performing most of the complex surgeries but they assist in a big way... including heart surgeries as cardioperffusionists... kindly do a thorough research on this..
But they refer to us? I'm a clinical officer specialising in audiology, but medical officers can't stitch the ear! They have to wake me up to go stitch my sound flaps!
I wonder who are these doctors who complain in social media.
We work with doctors and consultants daily and everyone know their scope of practice.
I don't think with the work load we have in the ground specific for our scope of practice;anyone has energy to fight a team player
Otherwise those who are complaining they are not seeing patients but doing office work 🤔
Let these guys argue with data. For instance How many Patients have gone blind following cataract Surgery done by Clinical Officers? Let's get data on CS done by M.Os V/S CS done by Clinical Officers. What is the outcome?
M.Os feel threatened. No wonder counties are seeing more reasons to employ more C.Os . compared to M.Os. #truth
It’s called cheap labor
This is just fear because Clinical Officers are competently trained..
The "big brothers and sisters" are bitter because since devolution, no direct absorption of them in the government hospitals, and governors have come to know that Clinical Officers, Nursing officers, MLTs, COHOs, Pharmtechnologists are better in providing the basic UHC services to patients and they are not egocentric and egoistic with titles and do not want that alot of money without working,besides, an aggressive and intelligent Clinical Officer can attend to a patient and give out that service a patient needs be it in a smaller way, and moreso ,a specialised Clinical Officer is much far better ahead than just a general Medical Officer, my question is, who are managing those specialised clinics? That's TB/CCC , Skin & Lung Diseases, ENT, RH, Paediatrics, Psychiatric and Eye clinics? In blueprint, let them swallow the bitter pill and learn to coexist with other cadres for the better health service delivery to the patients.
What's the purpose of the procedures or the diagnostic tests?... Do clinical officers request imaging tests to store them in their photo albums or do the procedures on themselves... It's for the sole purpose of benefiting the Kenyan population and towards achieving universal health care... I highly doubt if those guys commenting up there are doctors... They look like imposters... Poorly dressed in pathetic hair styles
Lmao
Physicians group in USA and other developed countries never complain of the PAs or feel threatened. It's in Kenya where some elite are misinformed on different Scopes of practice per cadre and instead bully each other
Who misinformed you PAs are very much disliked in the USA as they seem to be masquerading as doctors without putting in the actual work to become a physician. 2 years in school does not make you competent tomake clinical decisions over a physician. COs and all other mid levels are are threat to patients safety and physician job prospects.
Kmpdu I just not genuine it should be reformed .. clinical officers have specialisation courses and more so also have degree's programs that allows them to perform specific procedures though not all... Let's have a fair play ground... Kmpdu are feeling the pinch of our strength and soon they will be flooded ....we clinical officers we shall resist any attempt to belittle our profession
How can a C.O who has specialised in a specific area either OBS, ENT and Opthalmology have basic knowledge ...
You feel threatened.
Some times I am amused why don't you consult clinical officers before inviting neighboring profession to discuss matters pertaining clinical officers... You seemingly have a predetermined information to pass... Anyway that's githeri media for now.
True
I think this just shows we have a mindset problem in Kenya. Professionals are supposed to respect each other regardless of the capacity they are serving in. It's just like a procurement manager mocking a procurement intern because of their naivity. At the end of the day, demeaning somebody cannot make someone go from 0 to 100% in one month. You can't expect someone to learn in a month what you learnt in five years.
People should bring figures of patients mismanaged by clinical officers than just empty talks...
Medical doctors need to look keenly at the curriculum of clinical officers. There problem is not clinical officers there problem they are over trained nowdays. Training of doctors is in every universities. They are expensive to hire and demean other cadres. What they are going through others went through 20 yrs ago and they are quiet. Direct posting has ended don't look down upon others just learn how to survive.
Supremacy battles have no place in such noble profession like health coz the most important thing is to give the best services possible to Kenyan populace nd humanity at large.The scope of practse for the C.O's and M.O's is very clear but we wonder why do Someone get threatened and offended when someone supposedly below him/her becomes progressive and evolve to betterment in a bid to offer the best possible services.The only thing known phenomenon known to have no limits,is foolishness and madness.
Let each play his role. truthfully speaking diploma/hnd COs can nt perform major/most surgeries due to inadequacy of training. we dont want to put patients lives at risk#bitting more than they can chew.Let everybody just play his role. If ur a doctor b proud of that.if ur a CO. Nurse, Labtech, etc be proud of that too.
Its only fool who can be fooled not to see what the accused is capable of doing.
People should stop fighting coz NHIF have now authorized CO to benefit from the monopolized kit for many years
clinical officers may not be performing most of the complex surgeries but they assist in a big way... including heart surgeries as cardioperffusionists... kindly do a thorough research on this..
Cheapest way to reason despite the difference in "knowledge"
Let me tell a degree CO and MO have no difference,infact some MOs are incompetent
Empty debes makes the loudest noise
Define basic skills.
Kaskie Vibaya hukooo