Hey plumsion :) I wanted to say that I could not believe my eyes when I saw on yt that Chinese players on Chinese servers in boxes from the quartermaster can choose in them alchemical doctrines lvl 5 . This is a fucking joke and plain racism to the rest of the world. I love your content @@Plumsion
Yeah, I also was a bow main. I just recently came back to the game and noticed how badly they nerfed it. They just made it a plain old unit killer with the 36(?)% penetration nerf to heroes and the fact that heavy classes are more beefy since I last played (Season 10). The runes don't offer any incentive to go for head shots anymore which is sad. I was tempted to go Explosive arrow to knock people off of towers/ledges because lightning arrow only tickles people now (even with headshots), but a fall damage rune has since been introduced, which killed that fun idea for me. (Knocking several ppl off a tower and seeing 3-4 ppl die was fun back then) I swapped to short bow and have been very happy with it, I still take advantage of certain cheeky spots to get high ground(rocks, rubble etc), and head shot heroes hiding behind their units during big fights. I'd probably put them into B tier, rather than C tier because overall, their kit is good, it has plenty of damage, decent cc and fills its role perfectly as a close combat archer. But yeah, bow is definitely D tier, it's lost everything it used to be good at, only to be a unit killer.
Bow needs it's own tier because it's utterly useless. I've played bow through seven seasons, good times and bad. This was the season that finally broke me and forced a weapon switch. Even as a unit killer it is garbage to how it was. For the targets you were specialized to take out you now overpen with the extra piercing pen. Meanwhile the units you now might deal more damage to have so much health anyway that you're better off smashing them with a maul. Plus with the very heavy shield meta you're virtually useless in all skirmishes. Finally, not being able to apply any meaningful pressure to heroes forces you to run when ANY hero looks your way. If you're hellbent on using a bow just bring a longbow unit instead. They will eliminate ranged units and deal way better hero damage if you play them correctly.
Really appreciate the tier list! I am a spear main and have really been debating swapping to Long Sword or possibly Glaive for next season. I was doing really good to start but the higher up I get in the levels and playing vs higher quality players the spear just feels useless. Shame bc I do enjoy playing it, the kick is my favorite ability. But I feel at such a disadvantage playing it.
By all means if you find something fun, stick with it! There are some fantastic players that do really well with spear, but if we are looking under a microscope, it's fulls off a bit. Best thing to make spear work well is stay on your horse until you can Secure the kill.
I as a longsword totally agree with what you have said. Out ability is to just roll away heal come back use ult then dps. Once we are done hold shield up wait for all skill cooldowns then strike against and by the third time the enemy is either dead or your dead.
Glaive's starting to be in a reallllly good spot, I saw a community suggestion to make God of Battles and Heat of Battle act like Longswords' heal/defense skill, and if they do that I dare say glaive could jump up to S tier since it would be able to bring an EXTRA dmg ability yet be capable of benefiting from both of its buffs.
I mean it makes sense if they have done it for longsword why not. To be honest I think that would be a good thing to do across the board with everything weapon that has something similar, like DBs Infiltrator and Vapors
depends, if you wanna be tanky then do enough armour to get you to 1000 defenses all around, then the rest into toughness, if you're looking for a bit more damage with some tankiness do the same thing but put the remaining points into strength instead of toughness@@mr.q337
LongSword&Shield has always have a Big role in Siege & Field battles, they can Control, Support and Hold points by their own while some of your teammates can have much time to regroup while not losing the point. And also they can support someone else Unit, one of the strategy in Siege whenever im out of Unit, As long as I can support other player's unit, I always stay at clash, it's like one of my Biggest Obligation lol.
What you said about the longsword is exactly the same that i said to my friend when he asked me if I have swapped permanently to Longsword from short sword!
Was going to try glaive but dont have the skills levelled so been running maul to get kills to level quicker and it just slaps. Still get rinsed by some units so its not freedom to stand and spin wherever but its so much more impactful than most other classes.
for me the strength of nodachi is how good it performs against enemy soldiers. duelling someone with it sucks but you cant stand at the front of your units and just waylay everything while constantly healing ive been getting like 200+ kills every siege
Thank u man! Just start playing this game, and ur videos so helpful! U a best! I think drop this game if not u. It's so complicated for newbie like me!😁
Came to watch this since I'm thinking of coming back to game and I find it suprising that Longsword ranked that high, weapon that used to be weak and called support only, compared to spear and shortsword, weapons that used to be more than good back in the days. Did meta change that much?
@@Plumsion Yeah as level 1000 longsword before I quit ,heavy armor didn't stop you from being one shotted by most of the things curious if anything changed
@@Plumsionthe men of arms when in cover command damage taken is reduce from 60% to 40%, damage dealt from 45% to 30%, and the decay rate of effect is accelerate in 6 seconds. The same nerfs is applied to spear Sargents
They aren’t the delete buttons they were anymore but they are still super strong the moment you get the charge mastery. They still mince everything short of a tier 5 melee unit.
hi there ! :3 any idea why they have to combine a servers? game is daying? or just there is no point to hold 2 servers with nowdays pop? anyone have info meybe?
hey:)I wanted to say that I could not believe my eyes when I saw on yt that Chinese players on Chinese servers in boxes from the quartermaster can choose in them alchemical doctrines lvl 5 . This is a fucking joke and plain racism to the rest of the world. I love your content
Молоток уже давно нужно нерфить слишком он сильный как против отрядов, так и против героев, это просто глупо когда молоток за 2-3 способности убивает любой твой отряд и тебя вместе с ним.
I personally feel like musket has fallen off over the past few seasons. It feels like every meta unit is able to heal themselves these days. Myrms, spear guards, MAAs, and now the zwei's. Caltrops and liquid fire just don't have the wither damage or the disruption that they used to. As for offensive musket, short bow just out performs in everything that musket tries to do as far as pvp goes.
For the most part, I agree with the list; although, I'd have probably put short sword at the bottom of the A tier instead of in the B-tier, simply because, as a heavy armor class, it's still virtually unkillable 1 v 1. Bow got screwed this season with a 36% armor pen nerf against heroes, that's why they're so bad this season: they do pretty much nothing to enemy heroes.
I think the LS is a very high B or A but definetely not S. The heal is actually overrated. The heal heals units for 1 percent of their hp for 10 seconds for a total of 10 percent. To put this into perspective if you have ISG with 14 000 hp that is 140 heal per second for a total of 1400 hp for 10 seconds. In comparison the ISG has a heal ability that heals 2500 hp ( 250 per second) and it has a passive heal for 40. The Longsword heal is not a big deal and that will become even more evident when the healing archers and Zweihanders come in. In game we have Zerkers and Monks who heal a lot more than 1400 or 1800. Zerkers heal 4500 + 2000 from the rage + passive healing. Monks heal 75 percent hp when they fall below a certain percent. The knighly vows speed and pen buff is ok but not spectacular. The Glaive damage buff is far more impactful and noticeable. If the LS were S tier the heal would need to be 5 percent per second for a total of 50 percent at 10 seconds healing. It would probably need buffs to its damage and harder CC, since its damage has never been updated since the game came out. The Clash of Shields ult does 1700 damage + 208 percent blunt damage. That needs to be 3000 + 300 percent if we are gonna call LS S tier+ healing + damage on other skills.
11:43 Difference between good pike and S tier player is S tier uses scripts and macros to cancel animations. They exploit the game.The whole weapon is so stupid that he can keep you on the floor and you cant get up or do anything but die in duels or deathmatch if your team doesnt help you .Lucky they are shitty medium armor and they dont shine that much in sieges.
This is good list 👍 but I think you should put maul in SS tier and about longbow, its very strong vs units, easy to get 1 million damage using longbow only.
I've been playing this game since BETA on SA server and it lacks so many weapon choices for players. It's a shame because it's a great game, best medieval game of its kind...but it lacks content... Troops are great...variety and what not...but when it comes to weapon choices...we have very few options.
I dont agree: Shortsword still does much more DPS then Longsword. Longsword is mightyy but... if u want to kill anything with your longsword - forget about it. Only peasants and some light armor users, which are misplaying are possible to kill
ironically when I migrated to Frontier servers, the meta is the other opposite way around. I know it sounds absurd to everyone who are still in MyGame servers but over here, maul is basically a B tier weapon while spear is a godlike weapon that can delete people before they could even blink. Maybe this is because all of Frontier's best players are all playing spear, and they are somehow behind on the meta despite have 20 times more players compared to Western servers? I find that theory very unlikely however.
I see no point in making this list when we got no idea what runes or buffs/nerfs next season will be. Also shortsword is next to longsword best tank in game ,deffinetly better than glavie(good luck hitting those skills if you are new to game. . . ).To put it in a B grade is a warcrime . . Class is noob friendly ,easy to play and has super high survivabillity that is even better than longsword (lack of damage ,when you get ccd on ground its preeeety much game over,only 1 cc with long cd,healing was nerfed to the ground)due to 3 skills that allow escape.Thunderstruck ,shield charge,shield throw and ironsides is all you need to shine. If you like tanky class with ability to escape tricky situations look no further,with 1600 slashing armor pen(thats around 30 agility) you can even kill people with auto attacks.
they need to nerf that freaking pike bro the cooldown and amount of continous knockdowns it does is just plain braindead not to mention they have this annoying lil skit when you try to get back up your stuck on this animation
u are the content creator that this game need, keep going
thanks man, but there are loads other guys that put in a lot of hard work. but I appreciate it 🙂
Hey plumsion :) I wanted to say that I could not believe my eyes when I saw on yt that Chinese players on Chinese servers in boxes from the quartermaster can choose in them alchemical doctrines lvl 5 . This is a fucking joke and plain racism to the rest of the world. I love your content @@Plumsion
The dmg Nerf to Bow has made the vast majority of PvP encounters a loss. It's been rough this season, I do
Yeah, I also was a bow main. I just recently came back to the game and noticed how badly they nerfed it. They just made it a plain old unit killer with the 36(?)% penetration nerf to heroes and the fact that heavy classes are more beefy since I last played (Season 10). The runes don't offer any incentive to go for head shots anymore which is sad.
I was tempted to go Explosive arrow to knock people off of towers/ledges because lightning arrow only tickles people now (even with headshots), but a fall damage rune has since been introduced, which killed that fun idea for me. (Knocking several ppl off a tower and seeing 3-4 ppl die was fun back then)
I swapped to short bow and have been very happy with it, I still take advantage of certain cheeky spots to get high ground(rocks, rubble etc), and head shot heroes hiding behind their units during big fights. I'd probably put them into B tier, rather than C tier because overall, their kit is good, it has plenty of damage, decent cc and fills its role perfectly as a close combat archer.
But yeah, bow is definitely D tier, it's lost everything it used to be good at, only to be a unit killer.
Bow needs it's own tier because it's utterly useless. I've played bow through seven seasons, good times and bad. This was the season that finally broke me and forced a weapon switch. Even as a unit killer it is garbage to how it was. For the targets you were specialized to take out you now overpen with the extra piercing pen. Meanwhile the units you now might deal more damage to have so much health anyway that you're better off smashing them with a maul. Plus with the very heavy shield meta you're virtually useless in all skirmishes. Finally, not being able to apply any meaningful pressure to heroes forces you to run when ANY hero looks your way. If you're hellbent on using a bow just bring a longbow unit instead. They will eliminate ranged units and deal way better hero damage if you play them correctly.
Me watching this as a new person and picking spear before watching this 😭😭
Really appreciate the tier list! I am a spear main and have really been debating swapping to Long Sword or possibly Glaive for next season. I was doing really good to start but the higher up I get in the levels and playing vs higher quality players the spear just feels useless. Shame bc I do enjoy playing it, the kick is my favorite ability. But I feel at such a disadvantage playing it.
By all means if you find something fun, stick with it! There are some fantastic players that do really well with spear, but if we are looking under a microscope, it's fulls off a bit. Best thing to make spear work well is stay on your horse until you can Secure the kill.
Been running glaive since I’ve started. I’m level 390 and not turning back now. :)
I as a longsword totally agree with what you have said. Out ability is to just roll away heal come back use ult then dps. Once we are done hold shield up wait for all skill cooldowns then strike against and by the third time the enemy is either dead or your dead.
Glaive's starting to be in a reallllly good spot, I saw a community suggestion to make God of Battles and Heat of Battle act like Longswords' heal/defense skill, and if they do that I dare say glaive could jump up to S tier since it would be able to bring an EXTRA dmg ability yet be capable of benefiting from both of its buffs.
I mean it makes sense if they have done it for longsword why not. To be honest I think that would be a good thing to do across the board with everything weapon that has something similar, like DBs Infiltrator and Vapors
What stats and skill you use for glaive?
depends, if you wanna be tanky then do enough armour to get you to 1000 defenses all around, then the rest into toughness, if you're looking for a bit more damage with some tankiness do the same thing but put the remaining points into strength instead of toughness@@mr.q337
This is 100% in everyone’s mind. Heavy armor does more defense and you can just go full defensive or more offensive. No draw backs.
LongSword&Shield has always have a Big role in Siege & Field battles, they can Control, Support and Hold points by their own while some of your teammates can have much time to regroup while not losing the point. And also they can support someone else Unit, one of the strategy in Siege whenever im out of Unit, As long as I can support other player's unit, I always stay at clash, it's like one of my Biggest Obligation lol.
Hey man has this list changed at all since the new season? Or is it pretty much unchanged?
What you said about the longsword is exactly the same that i said to my friend when he asked me if I have swapped permanently to Longsword from short sword!
Was going to try glaive but dont have the skills levelled so been running maul to get kills to level quicker and it just slaps. Still get rinsed by some units so its not freedom to stand and spin wherever but its so much more impactful than most other classes.
for me the strength of nodachi is how good it performs against enemy soldiers. duelling someone with it sucks but you cant stand at the front of your units and just waylay everything while constantly healing ive been getting like 200+ kills every siege
when you talk about the glaive , do you talk about it as a heavy or a medium armor ?
The poor Spear needs some love bahahaha
Thank u man! Just start playing this game, and ur videos so helpful! U a best! I think drop this game if not u. It's so complicated for newbie like me!😁
If you need help most of the players are willing to help you (houses are a good place for that)
Just started with this game and your stuff's super helpful. Thanks!
thanks for watching dude
What is good longsword build?
Good one !!!
Nodachi should be in C tier considering that fact that it is played with normal medium armor
bro spear is literally dead and its so sad, the only fight you can take is bows, but no one plays them.... I feel like I tickle people
salut tu regardes quoi les dps ou tank ? LES épee courte et les épee longue c'est bein des tanks ?
Came to watch this since I'm thinking of coming back to game and I find it suprising that Longsword ranked that high, weapon that used to be weak and called support only, compared to spear and shortsword, weapons that used to be more than good back in the days. Did meta change that much?
yeah massively, spear its not great. heavy armour is king
@@Plumsion Yeah as level 1000 longsword before I quit ,heavy armor didn't stop you from being one shotted by most of the things curious if anything changed
It Existes but not so much for a longsword. But if you try and take on iron reaper alone or face tank winged hussars, you will get one shot.
@@Plumsion Yeah but who would try to solo Iron tho 😂
You would be Surprised.
Musket user all the way, love going agility for hero sniping, or str for bomb spam
1 week after. Currently on the cb frontier server Men at arms getting hard nerf with spear Sargents getting the same treatment lol
Ooo really do you know what they are doing to them?
@@Plumsionthe men of arms when in cover command damage taken is reduce from 60% to 40%, damage dealt from 45% to 30%, and the decay rate of effect is accelerate in 6 seconds. The same nerfs is applied to spear Sargents
@@alexarcanusartorias seems good! doesn't seem to bad just balancing them
They aren’t the delete buttons they were anymore but they are still super strong the moment you get the charge mastery. They still mince everything short of a tier 5 melee unit.
@@alexarcanusartorias do you my any chance have a link to this Info?
hi there ! :3 any idea why they
have to combine a servers? game is daying? or just there is no point to hold 2 servers with nowdays pop? anyone have info meybe?
I thinks its just there's not point to having two servers. plus I think they want TW to be more active to this should help
@@Plumsion you probably right im happy about more people global map and in city, but i hope numbers of players will be always in positive state. :)
Pike I think is in a good spot at A tier. Its not OP and it's not underpowered. I main pike and it seems to do alright.
I need to go back to db, wow that's me I'm chain dart now. When they mount up to flee I smile leap slashe dagger lock
hey:)I wanted to say that I could not believe my eyes when I saw on yt that Chinese players on Chinese servers in boxes from the quartermaster can choose in them alchemical doctrines lvl 5 . This is a fucking joke and plain racism to the rest of the world. I love your content
Молоток уже давно нужно нерфить слишком он сильный как против отрядов, так и против героев, это просто глупо когда молоток за 2-3 способности убивает любой твой отряд и тебя вместе с ним.
I personally feel like musket has fallen off over the past few seasons. It feels like every meta unit is able to heal themselves these days. Myrms, spear guards, MAAs, and now the zwei's. Caltrops and liquid fire just don't have the wither damage or the disruption that they used to. As for offensive musket, short bow just out performs in everything that musket tries to do as far as pvp goes.
For the most part, I agree with the list; although, I'd have probably put short sword at the bottom of the A tier instead of in the B-tier, simply because, as a heavy armor class, it's still virtually unkillable 1 v 1. Bow got screwed this season with a 36% armor pen nerf against heroes, that's why they're so bad this season: they do pretty much nothing to enemy heroes.
Ah I did wonder why, thanks 😊
I think the LS is a very high B or A but definetely not S. The heal is actually overrated. The heal heals units for 1 percent of their hp for 10 seconds for a total of 10 percent. To put this into perspective if you have ISG with 14 000 hp that is 140 heal per second for a total of 1400 hp for 10 seconds. In comparison the ISG has a heal ability that heals 2500 hp ( 250 per second) and it has a passive heal for 40. The Longsword heal is not a big deal and that will become even more evident when the healing archers and Zweihanders come in. In game we have Zerkers and Monks who heal a lot more than 1400 or 1800. Zerkers heal 4500 + 2000 from the rage + passive healing. Monks heal 75 percent hp when they fall below a certain percent. The knighly vows speed and pen buff is ok but not spectacular. The Glaive damage buff is far more impactful and noticeable.
If the LS were S tier the heal would need to be 5 percent per second for a total of 50 percent at 10 seconds healing. It would probably need buffs to its damage and harder CC, since its damage has never been updated since the game came out. The Clash of Shields ult does 1700 damage + 208 percent blunt damage. That needs to be 3000 + 300 percent if we are gonna call LS S tier+ healing + damage on other skills.
Long Live the LS😂
yeah baby yeah!!!!!
11:43 Difference between good pike and S tier player is S tier uses scripts and macros to cancel animations. They exploit the game.The whole weapon is so stupid that he can keep you on the floor and you cant get up or do anything but die in duels or deathmatch if your team doesnt help you .Lucky they are shitty medium armor and they dont shine that much in sieges.
This is good list 👍
but I think you should put maul in SS tier
and about longbow, its very strong vs units, easy to get 1 million damage using longbow only.
I've been playing this game since BETA on SA server and it lacks so many weapon choices for players. It's a shame because it's a great game, best medieval game of its kind...but it lacks content...
Troops are great...variety and what not...but when it comes to weapon choices...we have very few options.
i use the katana because big funny japanese sword
and i use gun bcs its a way of saying "long range balls"
- new player
I dont agree: Shortsword still does much more DPS then Longsword. Longsword is mightyy but... if u want to kill anything with your longsword - forget about it. Only peasants and some light armor users, which are misplaying are possible to kill
If you want to kill units you dont take ss
"...if u want to kill anything with your longsword - forget about it." 🤦♂
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There should be an F tier and spear should be in there. They killed my main :(
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ironically when I migrated to Frontier servers, the meta is the other opposite way around. I know it sounds absurd to everyone who are still in MyGame servers but over here, maul is basically a B tier weapon while spear is a godlike weapon that can delete people before they could even blink. Maybe this is because all of Frontier's best players are all playing spear, and they are somehow behind on the meta despite have 20 times more players compared to Western servers? I find that theory very unlikely however.
Crazy how that works
Do you have the same damge stats and skill balancing?
@@justus5612 I have not seen anything difference. You can always migrate to frontier and see for yourself.
Exactly, Spear on Frontier is damn annoying
Please give us a greatsword class I beg 😂 this is the perfect season to introduce it
Right there with you!
I see no point in making this list when we got no idea what runes or buffs/nerfs next season will be.
Also shortsword is next to longsword best tank in game ,deffinetly better than glavie(good luck hitting those skills if you are new to game. . . ).To put it in a B grade is a warcrime . .
Class is noob friendly ,easy to play and has super high survivabillity that is even better than longsword (lack of damage ,when you get ccd on ground its preeeety much game over,only 1 cc with long cd,healing was nerfed to the ground)due to 3 skills that allow escape.Thunderstruck ,shield charge,shield throw and ironsides is all you need to shine.
If you like tanky class with ability to escape tricky situations look no further,with 1600 slashing armor pen(thats around 30 agility) you can even kill people with auto attacks.
we know what the runes are... its in my PTR video, same as this seasons nothing has changed, apart from one rune for spear.
Bows trash now because of the -36% armor pen to hero’s now.
chain dart love
light armour deffo needs a buff
why would they need a buff? light armor can use every weapons in the game.
@@kaleidoscope3234😂 good joke
The spear class it isn't good as it used to be back in 2020 when the spear was the Meta and it was a great support class.
A great pike player is god tier. Pike the best
I just killed your S ranks with nodachi without lost half health bar and you just put my class in B thx
Good job 👏
Maul is susceptible to CC, but yeah, the tankiness and the DMG output is very high.
Dont agree with the DB. It is so OP and needs a bit of a nerf.
Shortsword is broken as fuck
This is the first original comment , rest are just fakes.
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cappin fr
they need to nerf that freaking pike bro the cooldown and amount of continous knockdowns it does is just plain braindead not to mention they have this annoying lil skit when you try to get back up your stuck on this animation
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Good job you succeded in life
@@dzexii my life has been leading up to this very moment